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Speaker 1: other times it doesn't. If the threat is eliminated, the

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Speaker 1: combat stops.

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the text I really want to move on, but

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Speaker 3: And as I said, my opinion about a violation of

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Speaker 3: the War Crimes Act of Title eighteen is holy fat

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Speaker 3: dependent because we don't know all of We just know

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Speaker 3: I believe that this could be a violation of the

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Speaker 3: nice holiday, Dragon, You have a good holiday. You had

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Speaker 3: so unwilling, and your texts show this. Your position is

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Speaker 3: This is a great example of American political debate that

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Speaker 3: And that dynamic flattens these intricate policy questions into moralized binaries,

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Speaker 2: I knew coming in.

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Speaker 3: I knew that I wanted this to be my first

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Speaker 2: But what what this incident may do.

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Speaker 3: Ammunition no pun intended is it may give ammunition to

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Speaker 3: That's the segue right there. Trump has had enough. He

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Speaker 4: It, m hm, dude, it's a great radio right there.

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Speaker 3: Michael Well, I'm not trying to make excuses. I couldn't

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Speaker 4: She was savagely attacked.

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Speaker 3: He published a pair of really long posts on his

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I because I don't want to read through

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Speaker 3: as we have progressed technologically, immigration policy has eroded those

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Speaker 2: Other than that happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: To all except those that hate steel, murder, and destroy

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Speaker 3: So back to Thomas Aquinemas. Now, where where where else

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Speaker 2: Now I know, I know some of you might object

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Speaker 3: Well, we're different, Michael, that we've always welcomed immigrants, we

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Speaker 4: Hey, goober's congratulations.

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Speaker 1: You have now entered the classroom of Professor Michael Danger Brown.

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Speaker 4: Pay attention, take notes.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna make you a smarter, better goober.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Is that the smarter they get, the smarter after work?

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Speaker 3: It rejects the separation of the Mosquan state that totally

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Speaker 3: Saint Thomas Aquinas insisted that a nation must preserve its

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Speaker 2: Who's a little you know over here. I don't buy

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Speaker 3: If you can show me a Muslim that is like that,

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Speaker 3: have to, you know, compromise your faith. But we live

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Speaker 3: as Christians knowing that we answer at least our souls

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Speaker 3: do answer to a higher power. And yet we subsume

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Speaker 3: ourselves to civil law, and that civil law is based

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Speaker 3: on our constitution in this country. And if you can

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Speaker 3: show me Muslims who are willing to do that, then

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Speaker 3: I say they can possibly be assimilated. But if they're not,

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Speaker 3: and they're unwilling and they're not going to and they're

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Speaker 3: going to go around and create these no gozones, then

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Speaker 3: you can't assimilate and you can't be here. And no

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Speaker 3: greater an authority than Saint Thomas Aquinas recognized that difference. Now,

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Speaker 3: if my diagnosis is even approximately riot, then Saint Thomas's

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Speaker 3: category of oh some perpetuity becomes pretty relevant today he

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Speaker 3: does not mean that every individual born into a hostile

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Speaker 3: nation is personally damned to be an enemy forever. Conversion

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Speaker 3: both religious and political, and religious or political, either one

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Speaker 3: is actually possible, and that's what we need to learn,

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Speaker 3: that that's what we want in this country. I don't

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Speaker 3: care if you're Muslim, Catholic, Jewish, can do seek. I

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Speaker 3: don't care what you are. As long as you assimilate

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Speaker 3: then I don't care. I'm sure every single one of

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Speaker 3: us we have certain things in our home that we

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Speaker 3: do based upon my grandfather's Cherokee Indian heritage.

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Speaker 2: I mean we don't. We don't have powwows or anything.

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Speaker 3: But there are certain foods and things that we do

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Speaker 3: that we do in celebration of that heritage. But yet

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Speaker 3: we assimilate, and I think that's what's required of all citizens.

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Speaker 3: And no greater of authority you, I don't care what

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Speaker 3: those on the left say. No greater authority than Saint

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Speaker 3: Thomas Aquinas