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Speaker 1: Lambeau Sunday. It's always who you know would love to

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Speaker 1: meet Gerby. If he's going to be there, well that

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Speaker 1: it's a matter the the the meet up, the meet

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Speaker 1: listen radio I sent out. I retweeted back to bat

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Speaker 1: just goes to show you that you know you can't

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Speaker 1: please everyone, so you got to please yourself. And if

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Speaker 1: you can't be with the one you love, honey, that's

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Speaker 1: the other part too, love the one you're with. H

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Speaker 1: This is from our h night. This Carl bit has

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Speaker 1: gotten old. Move on next year, please, or move on

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Speaker 1: next year please, John Malay, there's no better radio segment

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Speaker 1: just I mean you can't get I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: that's what I forgot to ask Carl, I retweeted, I

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Speaker 1: love these old still shots that we get of any

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Speaker 1: sport back in you know, ancient history, ancient days. So

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Speaker 1: a website called Twitter handle called Chicago History has a photo.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrific photo, really good quality. Bears Packers at

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting is I think in those days the

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Speaker 1: a line of scrimmage right before a play ball was

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Speaker 1: like And I asked, was great Grandpa Karl Gerbschmidt at

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Speaker 1: not look particularly good. And then there's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: one out, I just retweeted it earlier today. I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize until the golfers played at Wrigley how long the

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Speaker 1: I mentioned I think it was the day, might have

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Speaker 1: somehow that got extrapolated into well, you guys are afraid

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. The one thing that does slay

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Speaker 1: game to disagree one hundred percent, but when you pretend

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Speaker 1: That's his term. You forget the state government not only

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Speaker 1: I thought that tweet kind of handled it very very well.

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Speaker 1: Goose Love look Trepid reporter Caro Levin guest on this

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Speaker 1: has done handling this story. I think it's mixed, To

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any And a lot of it

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Speaker 1: a lot of disturbing stuff there, But where is that

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Speaker 1: you know? That would have to be vetted who is speaking.

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Speaker 1: Have they come forward? He's He basically said, our office

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Speaker 1: I think there is much more to get to, and

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Speaker 1: I think one of the reporters who does try to

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Speaker 1: no matter which direction it might go is Lou Ragoseho.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota Governor Tim Walls and his political allies continued to

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Speaker 1: It was the FBI.

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Speaker 3: Then on CNN SA Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said this, and.

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Speaker 4: By the way, those fraud allegations were uncovered by local

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Speaker 2: TV audiences, and then then the other one in a

433
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: venue that is particularly important to the ownership of the team.

434
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: So I think all of this is extremely important for

435
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: the vision of this and what it means and how

436
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: much change they are kind of expected to make personnel

437
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: wise and possibly staffing wise.

438
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Speaker 1: At the other year, Ben Gesling has always brought you by,

439
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: as I said, standard heating and air conditioning. In terms

440
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: of how all this might translate regarding game plan approach.

441
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: What have you picked up this week? What do you

442
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: sense in that regard?

443
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when he's talked about simplifying things, I

444
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: asked Wes Phillips a little bit more this week about

445
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: what that means. And it's probably a little less volume

446
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: in the playbook. It's maybe a little more consistency in

447
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: formations because I think one of the things they've run

448
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: into is you have so many different pieces on the

449
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: offensive line that has not been together very much, and

450
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: you have people playing different spots, and there's just a

451
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: lot more room for mistakes when you have different formations

452
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: all of the time, and there's details to get lost

453
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: and maybe blocks and angles and leverage that you're not

454
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: hitting quite the right way. So some of this has

455
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: been in minutia in terms of the formations. Is facing

456
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, You're going to probably see some

457
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: of those things transfer over a little bit more. And

458
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: that's you know, a pretty granular level. But in terms

459
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: of the play calling, I think it's going to be

460
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: you know, probably some more concepts to get him moving

461
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: quickly get the ball out of his hands. I wouldn't

462
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: be shocked if they see a little more play action.

463
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: You can kind of go back to some of the

464
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: bootleg stuff where it's a half field read. I wouldn't

465
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: be shocked if there's some things that have kind of

466
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: been you know, key concepts for him. I think some

467
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: of the times where he's getting the ball over the

468
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: middle of the field, you've seen him make those throws

469
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: probably a little bit better than when he's trying to

470
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: push it to the sidelines. So it's probably a matter

471
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: of trying to hit on concepts that he's been familiar

472
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: with and he's been comfortable with. And you know, the

473
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: touch throws have been in a struggled there's no doubt

474
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Speaker 2: about that. So maybe they're not leaning on those quite

475
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: as heavily. And then you have to get to the

476
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: point where he understands how to work in the pocket,

477
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: and I think if that line gets healthier, it's probably

478
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: an easier way to do that. Because some of the

479
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: plays where he's gotten hurt have been whether he's either

480
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: on the run or trying to extend the play. And

481
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of a discussion too

482
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Speaker 2: of Hey, when you're going to do that, you've got

483
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: a slide. You got to protect yourself. But if you

484
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: could play within the pocket, you have to be able

485
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: to do that too.

486
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: Carl And Cottage Grove asks what if koc wanted Drake

487
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: May from the start, which I think we kind of

488
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: know and had to sell for nine and is now

489
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: beyond the point of exasperation and is symbolically telling Quasy

490
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: I told you he isn't the guy now. I would

491
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: be shocked if the Vikings selected JJ McCarthy despite the

492
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 1: protestations of Koc, right. I mean, we all know he

493
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: may not run the organization, but he's got a lot

494
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: of authority, and when it comes to the quarterback position,

495
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Speaker 1: I find it very hard to believe that a Quays

496
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: is going to do anything that the head coach doesn't

497
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: want to go along with.

498
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's any chance that that is

499
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: what happened. I mean, Kevin O'Connell was driving the bus

500
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: on that quarterback search, and it was very clear they

501
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: were going to take the player that Kevin O'Connell thought

502
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: would be a good fit for this offense. Now, Rick

503
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: By was certainly the guy at the top of their list,

504
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: and he's the guy that I think they would have wanted.

505
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: I mean, they had their eye on him back into

506
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. They knew how good he could be,

507
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: and they were very excited about the possibility of if

508
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: they don't take a quarterback in twenty three, they might

509
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: be able to come back and get him the next year.

510
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: The problem was when they won seven games, it put

511
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: them farther back in the quarterback order. I guess then

512
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: they would have wanted to be, and it just was

513
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: going to be very difficult to get up there. I think,

514
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to Monday morning quarterback this

515
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: pardon the punt, it would be. Should they have spent

516
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: even more than they were offering to go up and

517
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: get Frake May, I mean, it would have been an

518
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: extremely high price to do it, and I don't know

519
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: if the Patriots would have done it even then. It

520
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: looks like the Patriots made the right decision to stick

521
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: and pick because Drake May has been fantastic this year.

522
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: But I think the idea that they took a player

523
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: that Kevin O'Connell did not want just not the case.

524
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. I think ultimately the reason

525
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: they said we can walk away from the Drake medial

526
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: with they've felt good enough about their other options that

527
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: they didn't need to give up quite as much to

528
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: go get him. So you know that decision will be

529
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: judged by history here. But I think Kevin O'Connell was

530
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: very much on board with getting JJ McCarthy, believing he

531
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Speaker 2: could win with him here.

532
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, we had a question asked much earlier in

533
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: the program that I want to run by you, and

534
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of impossible to answer, but it's worth trying

535
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: to answer, I think, And he said, you know, if

536
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: the Vikings had had to this point in the season

537
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: even serviceable quarterback play, would they not be at least

538
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: in the playoff chase? And I think the answer to

539
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: that is they probably would. I mean, again, how many

540
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: games is it worth you win two more? You're still

541
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: only six and six, But there's been a number of

542
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: games this year where you go, well, you're getting nothing offensively,

543
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: especially the last several weeks. What do you think about

544
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: that is, if you get not great quarterback play, but

545
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: serviceable quarterback play, are you and I still talking about

546
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: a playoff opportunity at this point the season.

547
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they probably are. I mean, just looking

548
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: back on it. They lost to the Steelers by three,

549
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: they lost to the Eagles by six. Ravens was an

550
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: eight point game, the Bears two point game, one that

551
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: they should have won because they had the lead there

552
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: at the end, and that was even on a day

553
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: where McCarthy did not play very well. So if you say,

554
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: you know, say three of those games go their way

555
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: in the kind of one score game department, then you're

556
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: talking about a team that's seven and five at this

557
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: point and they're right in the mix, or even if

558
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: two of those are in their favor at six and

559
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: six and they still have a chance. So yeah, I

560
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: think that is true. And you look at there was

561
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: a lot of issues with the fall starts in the

562
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: Ravens game, and I think McCarthy's probably part of that

563
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: with some of the Cadence stuff. And then certainly the

564
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: Bears game was and you know, the Eagles game would

565
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: have still been Carson Wentz and the Steelers game would

566
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: have been Carson Wentz. But you know you're talking at

567
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: that point about a guy that's still coming and I

568
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: think played relatively well, at least in the Steelers game

569
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: from what I remember that that morning in Dublin. But yes,

570
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: I think if they had had better quarterback play, particularly

571
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: not turning the ball that had been the single biggest issue. Yes,

572
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: I think they'd still be in the playoff.

573
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: Mixt do we have? So we got at least two

574
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Speaker 1: offensive linemen I think officially listed as questionable. Can you

575
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: update us on those injuries and any others?

576
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so Christian Darrisaw Donovan Jackson both questionable for Sunday.

577
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Darrisaw was back to full participation today. O'Connell found it

578
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: optimistic about both of those guys today. I think Darrisaw

579
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: probably has a little better chance than Jackson, who was

580
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: limited again today and was a d NP on Wednesday.

581
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised if think give Jackson another week,

582
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: but I think Darrisaw. It's I mean, none of this

583
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: is necessarily anything new at this point. It's just the

584
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: knee on the injury report. At this point, the ankle

585
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: is off of there doesn't mean it's completely healed, but

586
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: it's not causing him to land on the injury report

587
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: at this point, So I would think the assumption is

588
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 2: he plays, and they would be ready to have him

589
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: for as much of the game as they can get him.

590
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: Donovan Jackson will see. If it's not him, it's Blake Brendal,

591
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: who's out of the concussion protocol. So the three guys

592
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: that are questionable for Sunday or Jackson, Darrisaw and ty Chandler,

593
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: who's coming back from injury reserve, and then they will

594
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: be without Theo Jackson and Leviy Drake Rodriguez. Both those

595
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: guys were ruled out because of neck injuries today, and

596
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: then everybody else should be ready to go. No injury

597
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: designations for Ryan Kelly, for Josh Mattelis, JAMJ McCarthy is

598
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: obviously out of the concussion protocol. Jonathan Grenard should be

599
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: ready to go. So it's really those offensive line starters

600
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: that they have to make a decision on, and I

601
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: think we'll see more of that Sunday morning, but I

602
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: think Darriso probably has the better chance at least as

603
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: they sit here on Friday.

604
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Is this a game in which the Vikings have to

605
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: quietly secretly worry about the crowd, I think so.

606
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean, they've lost four in a row, they got

607
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: shut out last week for the first time since two

608
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, they haven't scored a touchdown since November sixteenth,

609
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: and the last time the crowd saw them at home,

610
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: they blew it at the end against the division rival.

611
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: So yes, I think they will be at risk of

612
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: getting booed and hearing about it pretty early if things

613
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: don't start well. I go, yeah, I think that's completely

614
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 2: the case. And I think Kevin O'Connell would say, hey,

615
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: it's fairer because I know it bothers him when they

616
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: don't win at home, because I think he feels it

617
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: in terms of the impact that it has in the fans.

618
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: They've lost three in a row at home, and they

619
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: don't like to lose in that building because it has

620
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: been a pretty good home field advantage for them. And

621
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: you know, this is the second time in three years

622
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: that they've struggled to win at home and that has

623
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: a lot to do with why they are where they are.

624
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 2: It's all been one score, gamplitly at home. So yeah,

625
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: I think if they don't come out well, especially against

626
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: the team that you should be able to move the

627
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: ball on. I would imagine the fans will get a

628
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: little bit restless. So how they get going on Sunday

629
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: could have a lot to do with how they're received

630
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: and what the pulse of that place is, so to speak.

631
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: The takeaway turnover differential, as you discussed earlier, is astonishing.

632
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: It's minus fifteen. There are only two teams I see

633
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: in double digits in the minus category, the Vikings and

634
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: the New York Jets, and obviously the other end of

635
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: the spectrum, and this is largely why the Bears are

636
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: in such a good position. They're plus seventeen. I mean,

637
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: that's a swing of thirty two between the Vikings on

638
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: one end and the Bears on the other. I mean

639
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: that as much as we examine so many other aspects

640
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: to this thing, you break it all down, really a

641
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: lot of it, eighty percent of it goes back to

642
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: that single statistic.

643
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, it does. I mean was looking at it.

644
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: They've turned the ball over more than any team in

645
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: the NFL. They've thrown more interceptions than any team in

646
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: the NFL, I mean, nineteen interceptions in a season in

647
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: this day and age is almost unheard of. I'm trying

648
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 2: to think of the last time a Vikings team got

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Speaker 2: picked off this much in a year. I have to

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Speaker 2: think it's been a very long time. I'm actually looking

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Speaker 2: back on it. They got picked off as many times

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Speaker 2: in twenty three, which was the year that they went

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Speaker 2: through all the different quarterbacks, but they were still getting

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Speaker 2: a little bit more in terms of takeaways and certainly

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Speaker 2: more productive with Kirk Cousins the first half of that season.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it is a astonishing number, especially with still

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Speaker 2: five games to go. It's going to go into the

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Speaker 2: twenties and now I'm curious to see the last time

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Speaker 2: that it's been this high. But I have to think

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Speaker 2: it's been a very long time because quarterbacks just don't

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Speaker 2: throw interceptions very much.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's much more you're not throwing the ball over the middle,

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Speaker 2: or at least putting yourself at risk when you do it.

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Speaker 2: Everything quarterbacks are just more precise, more accurate. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that that's something that you expect to see. I

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Speaker 2: mean that those numbers sound like something you have seen

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Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies, I think, or maybe the eighties,

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Speaker 2: when you could kind of hang all over receivers and

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Speaker 2: do whatever you wanted to them, but yet to have

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Speaker 2: it to be that high in twenty twenty five is

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Speaker 2: a big deal. And then the takeaways. This defense last

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Speaker 2: year was the best in the league and it just

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Speaker 2: hasn't been anywhere near that. So yes, I mean that

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Speaker 2: is why they are where they are. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: numbers of how well they play when they win the

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Speaker 2: turnover battle under Kevin O'Connell are pretty clear, and it's

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Speaker 2: why that's the biggest reason they are pretty much waving

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Speaker 2: goodbye to the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 1: In my mind, nineteen interceptions is five more than the

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Speaker 1: second worst total at fourteen. The Dolphins have thrown fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Raiders have thrown fourteen as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is that is remarkably astonishing. In terms

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Speaker 1: of our our takeaway number at we're still only i

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Speaker 1: think at eleven for the year, and we got five

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Speaker 1: in the only home game we've won against the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, yeah, it is. They just haven't been able

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Speaker 2: to get the same number of tips passes to turn

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Speaker 2: into picks. I think it's a lot of that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they were able to force some humbles last year, but

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Speaker 2: a lot of it last year, which you got tips,

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Speaker 2: you got overthrows, you had cam by them back there

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Speaker 2: making a lot of plays. I do think they've missed

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Speaker 2: him in terms of coming down with interceptions. But Byron

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Speaker 2: Murphy had seven picks last year and I don't think

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Speaker 2: he has one yet this year. So it's in a

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Speaker 2: number of spots. But that pass rush gets enough pressure

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Speaker 2: that you should be able to turn some of those

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Speaker 2: plays into turnovers, and they haven't been able to do that.

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Speaker 2: And just looking back, it was digging through old stats

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Speaker 2: in the run up when you're asking the question. The

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Speaker 2: last time they threw more picks than this and a

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Speaker 2: season was twenty ten, which was the first the last

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Speaker 2: year with Brett Fa they've brought him back. He would

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Speaker 2: have eleven touchedout nineteen picks that year, and then Joe

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Speaker 2: Webb and t Jack added another seven. So that's what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about. It's been a very, very long time

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Speaker 2: since they have had this number of interceptions from the

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Speaker 2: quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the time, as always, have a great

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Speaker 1: Sunday and we'll chat.

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Speaker 2: Next week, all right, So good thanks Dan, Ben.

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Speaker 1: Gestling Star Tobune brought you by Standard heating and air

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Speaker 1: conditioning with some fairly sobering numbers there to discuss. So

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Speaker 1: if you have even I can do this math. If

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Speaker 1: you your defense has eleven takeaways for the entire season,

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Speaker 1: and you got five of them in a single game,

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Speaker 1: that means you've only had six in your other eleven games.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to work no, very effectively, especially if

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Speaker 1: on the other end of the spectrum your e turnover machine,

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Speaker 1: which the Vikings have been nineteen interceptions with how many

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Speaker 1: games left to go in the season twelve five games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's hard to do. That's not taking

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Speaker 1: care of the ball. No, And we all talk about

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Speaker 1: Zim love taking care of the ball, didn't he He

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Speaker 1: thought he got mocked for it too. Well are they

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Speaker 1: mocking him? Now? What's Zim up to these days? Do

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Speaker 1: we know he's probably on his ranch? Probably true? Just

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Speaker 1: watching all the passing top five at five Wolves, Wild

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Speaker 1: Vikings and what time is our apology to the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Twins