WEBVTT - Money Monday with Brian James

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<v Speaker 1>806-055-KRC-D Talk Station. It's Monday, which means it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>Brian James Mall with Financial giving out some Money Monday

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<v Speaker 1>tips and thinking in anticipation of retirement, which ultimately we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to in talking with Brian this morning about seniors

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<v Speaker 1>taking Social Security early. I guess they're worried about the

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<v Speaker 1>impending cuts to Social Security, which are scheduled to happen

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<v Speaker 1>within the next several years unless Congress actually does something

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<v Speaker 1>to solve the problem we have. Brian James, welcome back, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate all our financial learning. You have to talk with

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners and me this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, Mr. Thomas.

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<v Speaker 3>And as always, I appreciate being handed the microphone to

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<v Speaker 3>force people to listen to me for just.

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<v Speaker 2>A little while.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, people pay to listen to you. That's what a

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<v Speaker 1>financial planner is.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, right? It's mind-blowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody's got to be the adult in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no. You need to stick with your plan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's the majority of my job. You just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of summed it up right there. Listen, I've listened to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having a conversation with you like my listeners are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand. I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I have a financial planner because I probably

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<v Speaker 1>lack discipline. Anyway, this Trump-Xi Jinping summit, I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>first state visit he has made Xi Jinping here to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States since 2015. So there's only been two

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<v Speaker 1>of them in over 11 years. I presume the U.S.

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<v Speaker 1>and China maintain constant communications and discussions over these very

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<v Speaker 1>important topics. So is his being here for this meeting

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<v Speaker 1>in person, it's a symbolic gesture? Does it suggest that, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be some cooperation between the U.S. and

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<v Speaker 1>China on these important issues that they talked about?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously, the United States and China are not the

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<v Speaker 3>best of friends, but sort of let's call let's say frenemies,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is the best way to phrase that. There's

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of countries we don't we don't interact with with

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Inexplicably, we engage with North Korea in the first Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 3>got nothing out of it and haven't talked about it

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<v Speaker 3>ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>And nobody really cares about that. But now, yeah, we definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a bomb. They got a bomb after all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's true. And you know what? They haven't used

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<v Speaker 2>it yet either. So anyway. That's progress.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they made something new that they haven't pulled

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<v Speaker 3>the trigger on. So I suppose that's progress if we

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<v Speaker 3>prevented them from using something that they weren't thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>in the first place. But anyway, that's our new form

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<v Speaker 3>of diplomacy. But yeah, as far as China goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is something we do need to get along with

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<v Speaker 3>China one way or another. Doesn't mean we need to

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<v Speaker 3>be best of friends. Doesn't mean we need.

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<v Speaker 2>To sell them arms. That's a whole other topic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a brand new headline that we saw overnight. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand that one, honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>All I can think is anything that's not nailed down,

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<v Speaker 3>let's see what somebody will pay us for it. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>this administration scares me to death with the monetization of

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely everything we can possibly monetize.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with you on that. But maybe if they

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<v Speaker 1>buy our missiles and our arms, we can have some

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<v Speaker 1>say over what's in them and what they're used for.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe we can control them and monitor them like

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<v Speaker 1>they do with, I don't know, the Wi-Fi systems that

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<v Speaker 1>we bought from China.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There's something to be in that, right? Okay. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully there's a backdoor in there somewhere, you know, tit

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<v Speaker 3>for tat, what goes around comes around.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it from hitting its target. That would be nice,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So more to come on that. That was a very

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<v Speaker 3>recent headline as to that comment being made. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the more important headlines coming out of this

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<v Speaker 3>summit here, China did agree to import at least 10

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<v Speaker 3>million metric tons of U.S. coal annually in 27 and 28.

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<v Speaker 3>So we sold some more stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good.

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<v Speaker 3>Both sides agreed to lower tariffs on $ 30 billion worth

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<v Speaker 3>of goods, and that covers U.S. exports to China of

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<v Speaker 3>agricultural products, seafood, timber, medical devices. And then coming our direction, U.S.

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<v Speaker 3>imports from China of small appliances, toys, holiday decorations. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a big difference in what's going one way versus all

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<v Speaker 3>the plastic junk coming our way.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>The tariffs were agreed to be lowered, so at least

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<v Speaker 3>we got along a little bit. And somewhat importantly– Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the holidays, right?

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<v Speaker 3>It's time for plastic garbage on container ships. But more importantly,

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<v Speaker 3>the two sides did come together, and there's now a

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<v Speaker 3>communication to discuss handling these AI-related incidents, because obviously we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to plow forward on this, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>learn by making mistakes, I think is pretty much what's

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<v Speaker 3>already put in place here. China and the United States

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<v Speaker 3>have agreed that, you know what, we should probably chat

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<v Speaker 3>about this from time to time.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. I understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've got the quote-unquote hotlines for nuclear activity

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<v Speaker 1>between warring or otherwise enemy countries like we had during

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union days. But, you know, insofar as this

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<v Speaker 1>liability is concerned, I made the point earlier today, I

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<v Speaker 1>am just worried as I can be all day long

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<v Speaker 1>with these AI, artificial intelligence principles like Bill Gates. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my God, we're all going to die. A billion people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to die. Humanity is going to be eradicated. Please,

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<v Speaker 1>elected officials... Save us from ourselves. We need legislation. We

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<v Speaker 1>need some sort of legal roadblocks or whatever put into this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think our elected officials are in a position

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<v Speaker 1>to even deal with this legislatively. But as I turn over,

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<v Speaker 1>I look at the liability market. Civil liability is alive

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<v Speaker 1>and well. TikTok just paid Alabama $ 100 million. They have

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of lawsuits that have been filed by parents who

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<v Speaker 1>say that these social media apps have corrupted their children.

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<v Speaker 1>And lo and behold, in addition to just paying cash settlement,

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<v Speaker 1>they also are changing the platform to give people controls

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<v Speaker 1>and protections to shield their children from the dangers. They

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<v Speaker 1>have default settings in there that don't allow perverts out

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<v Speaker 1>in the world to have access to their children. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's progress. They made a product. Apparently it's defective because

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<v Speaker 1>it impacts our children. So they've changed the product to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the allegations and wrote a big fat check.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how liability works. If they're subjected to it, then

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<v Speaker 1>they'll change their tune.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And to me, it also it's a big indicator of

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<v Speaker 3>where our priorities are. And I'm not saying this is

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<v Speaker 3>a bad thing, but we very much want to sell

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<v Speaker 3>things for more than we pay to make them. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's business. That's capitalism.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty much how the world turns nowadays. We are

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<v Speaker 3>very much more concerned with that than we are. And

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<v Speaker 3>I say that because. The evidence of that is that

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<v Speaker 3>we don't put the rules in place beforehand. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>spend a lot of time thinking about what might happen.

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<v Speaker 3>We basically say, let's fix it when it's a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the cycle we go through. Again, neither good

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<v Speaker 3>nor bad. I mean, that's how we create economic activity.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is the decision that we make. Let the

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<v Speaker 3>bad things happen. We will clean them up on the

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<v Speaker 3>back end versus the opposite, which is let's not do

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<v Speaker 3>anything at all. There's probably a happy medium in there somewhere. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, you know, we have Dave Hatter on every

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<v Speaker 1>Friday at 630 for his, you know, the Tech Friday

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<v Speaker 1>with Dave Hatter. And he has been every single week

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<v Speaker 1>for years now talking about Internet of Things devices and

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<v Speaker 1>how they are designed to get the product as immediately

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<v Speaker 1>as they can into the market so they can engage

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<v Speaker 1>in capitalism, right? But there are all kinds of failures

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<v Speaker 1>in the back doorways that people can hack in. We

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<v Speaker 1>have compromised systems as a consequence of these Internet of

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<v Speaker 1>Things devices. So that's something else. So it's put it

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<v Speaker 1>out there. get it out there. And as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>someone figures out a problem, then fix it. This is,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just the way the technology works because

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<v Speaker 1>it changes and it evolves so rapidly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And, you know, I compare that to the pharmaceutical industry, right? So,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it takes, well, I don't know, 10, 15,

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<v Speaker 3>20 years for an idea to become a drug that's

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<v Speaker 3>available on the market because of all the careful testing

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<v Speaker 3>that we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, that's probably a good thing, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless COVID comes along and they have emergency use authorizations

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<v Speaker 1>to get vaccines onto the market that maybe aren't battle-tested, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry. Yes, those are the downsides.

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<v Speaker 3>But imagine if we did that for every single drug

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<v Speaker 3>that came out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's learn about the side effects of drugs as we go,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll fix it on the back end after enough

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<v Speaker 3>people have been impacted. We don't do that with other products,

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<v Speaker 3>but we definitely do it with medical.

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<v Speaker 1>I realize that, but going back to my point, Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that the pharmaceutical companies would have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to put the COVID vaccine out there in the absence

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<v Speaker 1>of emergency use authorization?

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<v Speaker 2>I think not.

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<v Speaker 1>We found out a lot of problems associated with that

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<v Speaker 1>shot that they would have been held liable for. So

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<v Speaker 1>take that part out and just have them be liable

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<v Speaker 1>for anything they do by way of problems caused, death,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the harm is, and they're responsible for it. They

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<v Speaker 1>still would be very, very cautious about just throwing any

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<v Speaker 1>random drug out on the market.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, what's indicative of what we're talking about here

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<v Speaker 3>is how quickly they did. The medical companies or the

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<v Speaker 3>pharmaceutical companies.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed to it. Cool, we're not going to be liable

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<v Speaker 2>for this. That's great. Let's crank it out and throw

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<v Speaker 2>it out there and see what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it's Viagra or something that is not– uh

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<v Speaker 3>you know not mandated by the federal government then we

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<v Speaker 3>have to take 10 15 20 years to get that

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<v Speaker 3>rolled out there again i'm not saying that's a bad

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<v Speaker 3>thing it's just very interesting that's the one industry where

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<v Speaker 3>we really hold feet to the fire over get the

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<v Speaker 3>testing done get it right phase one phase two phase

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<v Speaker 3>three trials and all that stuff versus the other things

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<v Speaker 3>where now we maybe we're realizing that social media kind

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<v Speaker 3>of needs to be treated the same way because of

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<v Speaker 3>the way it apparently affects our minds even though it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a device in our hands.

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt about it. Brian James, we've got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the price of oil in the next segment. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>we're also going to be talking about rate hikes going

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<v Speaker 1>up again. Is another rate hike possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it right?

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, again, seniors taking Social Security early because they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Fearing the impending cuts.

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<v Speaker 1>More with Allworth Financial's Brian James.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go away.

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<v Speaker 1>55KRC.

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<v Speaker 3>Ladies and talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>818 at 55KRC, the talk station. Money Monday. Brian James

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone talking about money tips here. And real

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<v Speaker 1>quick on the Xi Jinping-Trump summit meeting. Um, you pointed

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<v Speaker 1>it out, $ 30 billion worth of, uh, tariff reductions. That's a,

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<v Speaker 1>I view that as a positive, but, and you also

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the sale of coal. I guess China didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the memo that we're not supposed to burn coal anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Ha ha ha ha ha. Anyway, they, I doubt we

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<v Speaker 2>sent them that memo. Yeah, I know we did.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the Eastern Kentucky, uh, coal, coal miners are

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<v Speaker 1>very happy about that probably. And China has continued to

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<v Speaker 1>build coal plants at a very rapid pace all throughout

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<v Speaker 1>this whole existential threat to the world that people have

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<v Speaker 1>been fed. In terms of Al Gore's message, we're all

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<v Speaker 1>going to die if we exhale. Anyway, don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>entertain my comments, they're mine. But no country or institution

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<v Speaker 1>can be allowed to impose tolls on international waterways. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a quote that apparently U.S. and China agreed on. So

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<v Speaker 1>I view that as a step, at least lip service

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<v Speaker 1>to to a step in the right direction with regard

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<v Speaker 1>to the Strait of Hormuz, among other straits. But does

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<v Speaker 1>that suggest China is no longer going to help the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranians in any way, shape, or form? Does it signal

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe the Chinese would be interested in opening up

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<v Speaker 1>the strait, thus freeing us from the onerous problems we

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<v Speaker 1>face with the price of oil right now? Because oil

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<v Speaker 1>is going up again, I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that comment is much more of an

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<v Speaker 3>attention getter apparently than dropping billions of bombs on the

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<v Speaker 3>country of Iran because we're still in that situation and

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<v Speaker 3>have been since the late first quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>So China, yes, making that comment.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, Iran has to be hearing that, OK, our erstwhile

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<v Speaker 3>partner in this seems to be disagreeing with what we

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<v Speaker 3>are planning to do. And I'm a little disappointed it

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<v Speaker 3>does apparently have to be China to kind of introduce some.

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<v Speaker 2>Reality to all of this, which is this just can't

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<v Speaker 2>go forward.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think the United States is going to

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<v Speaker 3>have a ton of credibility right now with Iran in

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<v Speaker 3>saying what they should or should not do. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad there is a voice out there that supports what

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately needs to and will happen. The world as a whole,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter what team, what side you're on, the world

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<v Speaker 3>as a whole is not going to function.

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<v Speaker 2>Very well if we can't move oil through that part.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>True. But, you know, China's been one of the few,

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<v Speaker 1>if only lifelines to the Iranians. They have been buying

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<v Speaker 1>up whatever oil the Iranians can get out, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that they're running out of oil to sell

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<v Speaker 1>to the Chinese. But, I mean, if they want the

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<v Speaker 1>Strait open and they're serious about that statement, then we

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<v Speaker 1>need to get the situation concluded. And that means the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranians have to allow the Strait to be opened up.

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<v Speaker 1>And we seem to be a stalemate on that right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only leverage the Iranians have to our blockading

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<v Speaker 1>their ports and preventing them from engaging in commerce worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>So. For sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But something needs to bring them to the table with

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<v Speaker 3>a willingness to actually think about it. And again, bombs

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<v Speaker 3>on their heads didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still in the situation that we are.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps this minor pivot back to some sort of whatever

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<v Speaker 3>diplomacy is now might urge them to the table. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>it had to come from somewhere else to get that done.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's a step in the right direction of two

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<v Speaker 3>entities that don't really get along coming together to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we need to set this aside just for a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>fix the immediate problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we can go back to arguing about normal things. True.

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<v Speaker 2>War is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know, obviously, the price of oil, profound impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know that. It's just a given.

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<v Speaker 1>So the price of oil going up, of course, diesel's

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<v Speaker 1>through the roof and creating inflationary pressures across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this going to lead to another rake hike, Brian James?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know people who want to buy a house

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<v Speaker 1>would not like to hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reality is we are in a rising rate environment.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are a number of indicators out there that

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<v Speaker 3>would say that the economy probably can absorb more rate hikes.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, nobody wants to hear that. You know, one

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<v Speaker 3>individual person's wallet may not do so well with those

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<v Speaker 3>rate hikes. But the economy overall isn't built of one

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<v Speaker 3>wallet on top of another. It's basically a much larger

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<v Speaker 3>animal that needs to be tamed at some point. And

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<v Speaker 3>so that's why we have to look at making these

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<v Speaker 3>sacrifices now. How do we slow things down to slow inflation?

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<v Speaker 3>And how much of that can we take before it

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<v Speaker 3>really causes pain? The Fed is firmly focused on inflation.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the number one goal. Nearly all of them, including

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<v Speaker 3>the four members who spoke at the meeting last week,

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<v Speaker 3>they all signaled that additional tightening may still be needed

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<v Speaker 3>even after September's hike. Markets are paying attention to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the chance of another October hike is about 64%,

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<v Speaker 3>two out of three. Silver lining, though, for investors, the

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<v Speaker 3>bonds that are coming out have the most compelling starting

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<v Speaker 3>yields we've seen in a very long time. That's historically

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<v Speaker 3>been a strong guide to longer-term bond returns. Remember, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going back to 2004, 2007 for the kind of interest

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<v Speaker 3>rate environment that we're in right now. Not that we're

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<v Speaker 3>rooting for bonds necessarily, but again, silver lining for investors.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've got that balanced portfolio out there, then hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>you've got something on that fixed income side. You do

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<v Speaker 3>have something that's going to benefit from this. Do we

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<v Speaker 3>all want lower mortgage rates?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, we also have to be

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<v Speaker 3>seeking lower inflation, which is another role, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>pretty important.

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<v Speaker 2>Job the Fed has.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the sacrifice that's going to have to be

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<v Speaker 3>made in order to get us there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, does this not increase our borrowing costs, our deficit

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<v Speaker 1>costs when the bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Rates goes up, Brian? Of course it does. It does.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 3>The indicators we're seeing from the economy are that it

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<v Speaker 3>can absorb higher interest rates.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying this is a good thing. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>No matter what, it's going to hurt. It's going to

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<v Speaker 3>cost more to just do our... That's already been happening.

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<v Speaker 3>And the point is that there's probably a little more

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<v Speaker 3>coming before we can actually see the other side of this,

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<v Speaker 3>because the efforts we have made so far simply have

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<v Speaker 3>not had that much of an impact on inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been stuck.

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<v Speaker 3>At 3% for, what, four or five years now, something

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and In my lifetime, I remember multiple times when

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<v Speaker 1>the bond rates have gone up and inflation has been

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<v Speaker 1>a pesky problem. We all seem to have survived it

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, Brian. I think that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things a lot of people lose sight of. Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my God, this is terrible. This has never happened before.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe 7% mortgage rates.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>They were a hell of a lot bigger than that

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<v Speaker 1>in the early 90s, and they were way, way bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than that in the 1970s during stagflation. You were paying

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<v Speaker 1>double digits to buy a house.

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<v Speaker 3>And the average is in the 6% to 7% range

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<v Speaker 3>if you look over the long term. So all we've

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<v Speaker 3>done is return to the mean. We were spoiled with

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<v Speaker 3>our 2% and 3% mortgages. We'll probably never see those again.

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<v Speaker 3>And arguably, maybe we never should because of what has

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<v Speaker 3>resulted from it. So yeah, you're right. We will get

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<v Speaker 3>back there. This too shall pass and so on and

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<v Speaker 3>so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for allowing me that point, Brian James. Need

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<v Speaker 1>to make it. And the historical rates, you're right. This

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of what it's always been. 825 right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't go away because a lot of people are starting

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<v Speaker 1>to take Social Security early, fearing the inevitable or the

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<v Speaker 1>impending cuts that are coming. 22% clip. Can you survive that?

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<v Speaker 1>Brian James on whether that's a good idea. Don't go away.

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<v Speaker 2>55KRC. The Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>It's 828 at 55KRC. The Talk Station. Brian Thomas with

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<v Speaker 1>Brian James from Allworth Financial. He's a financial planner. I

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<v Speaker 1>always like to think about retirement. We're talking with Brian James,

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<v Speaker 1>and retirement may not come with as big a Social

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<v Speaker 1>Security check as you might anticipate, unless you haven't gotten

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<v Speaker 1>the word. It's been spread widely for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're running headlong into a problem with Social Security, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're expecting to have to reduce your monthly payment by,

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<v Speaker 1>is it 22%, Brian James, within the next several years?

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<v Speaker 3>It depends on the report you look at, but I've

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<v Speaker 3>done this for 30 years, and that report comes out

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<v Speaker 3>a couple times a year, and it has always been

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<v Speaker 3>in the range of about 20% to 25%, depending on

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<v Speaker 3>whose math we're using. The point is, Brian, that the

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<v Speaker 3>math don't math anymore, speaking of the math. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>not enough flowing in to support what needs to come out. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the interesting thing is we are about to, in November,

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<v Speaker 3>elect some of the people who will look us in

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<v Speaker 3>the eyes and decide what exactly we're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>about this.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything.

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<v Speaker 3>The Senate term, of course, is six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Six years from now, it'll be 2032.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the year that they say that we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have to see a change in Social Security.

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<v Speaker 1>Timing and some of the things they've been suggested means

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<v Speaker 1>testing social security. So if you've been a prudent saver

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<v Speaker 1>throughout your life, you put a big bankroll together in

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<v Speaker 1>the form of a 401k or maybe Roth IRA, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it happens to be, then you might have too much

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<v Speaker 1>money in the hearts and minds of some people, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>you're not deserving of a social security check. I find

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<v Speaker 1>flaw with that logic since we all paid into it

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<v Speaker 1>with the expectation we're going to get something back anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but also maybe changing the retirement age or, um, Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just taxing people past the, what is it, cap of

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<v Speaker 1>$ 185, 000 annually. So if you continue to tax earnings beyond that,

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<v Speaker 1>they can sort of soften the blow at least for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a million ways that we can actually fix

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<v Speaker 3>this problem. Every single solution has to do with put

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<v Speaker 3>more money into the system and take out less. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's a million ways that can happen. Like you just said,

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<v Speaker 3>we can remove the cap on earnings. We can just

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<v Speaker 3>increase taxes across the board. Or we can lower benefits

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<v Speaker 3>on current recipients. We can lower benefits on future recipients.

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<v Speaker 3>We can knock out that 8% increase that never really

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<v Speaker 3>made mathematical sense to begin with. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ways that that can actually happen. But, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the topic today is that a lot of people are filing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, early. And the reason I have this conversation

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, I think I'm intimately aware of this

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<v Speaker 3>because of the questions I get from my clients. And

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell you, the underlying theme among most people is.

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<v Speaker 3>is I want to take it because it's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be there tomorrow, which is not mathematically true. There

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<v Speaker 3>will be FICA taxes in 2032. There will be money

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<v Speaker 3>flowing into the system. You're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 3>tax cut in 2032. It just won't support what your

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<v Speaker 3>Social Security report says because we won't have as many

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<v Speaker 3>workers as we do right now. That's what's changing over time.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have concluded that most people look at that

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really just I want the money.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily need it.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I'm speaking of people with nest eggs and financial plans,

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<v Speaker 3>and they have options. The people who are thinking of

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<v Speaker 3>filing early, it really boils down to, I just want

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<v Speaker 3>the money because it's there. Yeah, I paid into it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to use the excuse of it's going away, which, again,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not. But I'll use that as an excuse to

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead and turn on my spigot. Most people, though,

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<v Speaker 3>are in a situation where they could be sacrificing more

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<v Speaker 3>than they're thinking just because they've convinced themselves that it's

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<v Speaker 3>either now or zero, and that's just not how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're going to face a 22% cut in

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<v Speaker 1>a few years, in 2032, if you start taking it now,

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<v Speaker 1>because I guess the retirement age is 67, so you

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<v Speaker 1>get a full benefit at 67. But if you wait

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<v Speaker 1>until 70, you get more monthly than you would. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what's the difference? I guess everybody has to

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<v Speaker 1>contemplate their end of life. Well, if I die at 84,

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<v Speaker 1>means if i take it at 70 i get 15

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<v Speaker 1>years worth but if i start at 62 i'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get an extra eight years even though i'm getting less

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<v Speaker 1>money on a monthly basis has anybody ever crunched the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers and find out which is worse assuming a set

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<v Speaker 1>death date brian Yeah, me.

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<v Speaker 3>All day, every day, because it's different for every single client.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody's puzzle pieces are shaped differently, but they do fit together.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of things in what you said there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the full retirement age is 67, but it's not

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<v Speaker 3>only then and thereafter that you get an increase, right?

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<v Speaker 3>The earliest you can file is 62. The latest for

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<v Speaker 3>which there's any benefit in waiting is 70. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>go up anymore after age 70. In between, every single year,

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<v Speaker 3>it goes up by 8%. Now, mathematically, literally the way

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<v Speaker 3>that works is it goes up by 1 12th of 8%

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<v Speaker 3>every single month. Or put differently, if you push it

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<v Speaker 3>six months, you'll get a 4% increase over the year before.

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<v Speaker 3>So obviously, more money is good. We all want that.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, there's also moving parts to this.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I'm going to file before full retirement age,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is where a lot of people stop thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about it because they run into something called the earnings test.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people say, you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>I like my job, don't want to retire, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to turn on that social security spigot because gosh

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<v Speaker 3>darn it, it's not going to be there. It's going away, right, Brian? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>what they learn quickly is that if they earn more

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<v Speaker 3>than $ 24, 000, then they're going to start getting their Social

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<v Speaker 3>Security withheld $ 1 for every $ 2 over the limit. So

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<v Speaker 3>in other words, you get a reduction if you file

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<v Speaker 3>early and you're still earning a substantial amount of income.

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<v Speaker 3>So that takes away a lot of the benefit. And

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<v Speaker 3>that ends most conversations right there in terms of people

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to file early.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, I guess if you're– it would throw you in

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<v Speaker 1>a different tax bracket potentially too, getting that extra earnings,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>And Social Security isn't as painful in terms of income

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<v Speaker 3>taxes as other forms of income. So this is where

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<v Speaker 3>people worry all the time about, well, what if they

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<v Speaker 3>start means testing it?

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<v Speaker 2>They kind of already are.

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<v Speaker 3>Because depending on your level of income, you're either getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Taxed on 50% of your Social Security or you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>taxed on 85%. I always want to qualify that statement.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying there is 50% taxes on Social Security.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not it.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying is that half of your social security

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<v Speaker 3>is taxed as income, the other half is free. Or

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<v Speaker 3>if you're at a higher level of income, that's 85%.

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<v Speaker 3>So we already do tax people a little more based

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<v Speaker 3>off the level of overall income that you have. But

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<v Speaker 3>to your point, Brian Thomas, it is still taxable income.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're taking your social security and you're taking

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<v Speaker 3>distributions out of your pre-tax IRAs and 401ks, maybe even

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<v Speaker 3>got a side job to keep yourself entertained during retirement,

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<v Speaker 3>all of it is taxable income. So you're still stacking

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<v Speaker 3>up taxes and it's still a decision to make. There

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<v Speaker 3>is a fine line between.

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<v Speaker 2>The type of assets that you have.

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<v Speaker 3>If I can give somebody a rule of thumb out

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<v Speaker 3>there for people who are just starting to think about this,

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<v Speaker 3>here's when filing now can make sense, So Social Security

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<v Speaker 3>reduces how much has to come out of your IRA.

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<v Speaker 3>If your other alternative is I got to take something

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<v Speaker 3>out of my traditional IRA, then now I can spread

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<v Speaker 3>it out, and that's going to preserve my account, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to lower those immediately 100% taxable withdrawals. I

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<v Speaker 3>can turn on Social Security.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good thing. But if somebody wants to wait,

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<v Speaker 2>it can.

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<v Speaker 3>Still be better the years after retirement but before Social

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<v Speaker 3>Security and RMDs, which is age 73 or 75, that

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<v Speaker 3>can be the best window you'll ever have to do

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<v Speaker 3>some tax planning.

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<v Speaker 2>So people who have mostly.

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<v Speaker 3>Pre-tax dollars, right? You worked for a company. You've got

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<v Speaker 3>a 401k roller you've never paid taxes on. They have

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<v Speaker 3>a different set of decisions and different sets of things

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<v Speaker 3>to think about than somebody who maybe inherited their wealth

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<v Speaker 3>or sold a business, and now all those dollars are

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<v Speaker 3>unsheltered from taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are two very different groups, and it definitely affects

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<v Speaker 2>the Social Security decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's probably why you need a financial planner to

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<v Speaker 1>help walk through this and make smart, prudent decisions. Brian James,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for helping us do that every Monday here

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<v Speaker 1>on The Morning Show with Money Monday. We'll do it

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<v Speaker 1>again next Monday, and I hope you have a fantastic week,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend.