1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Five six six nine zero is the very functional text line. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: You guys are welcome. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna run right out to the Kai comes for 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: the hotline though, and bring on our guy. Sean Keeler, Sean, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: always enjoy talking to you. 6 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: How you doing, buddy? 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: How good? How are you guys? Very functional is the 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 3: nicest thing ever said about me. 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: Well, I was talking about the text line. 10 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: I would I would use much better superlatives if I 11 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: was speaking about you, sir. That to me, We'll use 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: that though, the very functional Sean Keeler. I'm gonna I'm 13 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: gonna get him a T shirt with that made up 14 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: in block print. 15 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: I like that. 16 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: It'll be like the banner from the office. It is 17 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: your birthday, you know. 18 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Always loved, always loved that episode, Sean. 19 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: I was talking to Dave earlier, trying off top of 20 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: the show, and he asked me the question about what 21 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: I thought about Prime being out there in Vegas for Shadors, 22 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, first game, and I like, I hadn't thought 23 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: about it really much. It hadn't occurred to me. Like 24 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, the dude went out there to 25 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: see his son. But David's like, you know, when you're coaching. 26 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Sunday in college football is the day you really get 27 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: all your offense and defense together. 28 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: You get a lot of your work on that day. 29 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: What did you think about him going out there? Because 30 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: the humanist in me is. 31 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Like, well, you know, it's a father one to see 32 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: his son play ball. But then the you know, the 33 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: the college football fan me is like, well, you know, 34 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: he's also daddy to nine or ninety other guys who 35 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: are sitting back here in Colorado hoping to win some 36 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: football games. 37 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I could see the conflict. I gotta admit, though, 38 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: I wasn't really torn, and I wasn't really surprised because 39 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: he was gonna go like, are you kidding me? Like 40 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: that game could have been in Timbo II, and you 41 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: were gonna have Dian and the smack folks there in 42 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: the box, and they were gonna be there and the 43 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 3: cameras would be on them whether something happened good or bad. 44 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: So I get you know, it's just not funny. Oh 45 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: it shock you? No, I sided with the humanist there. Hey, 46 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 3: I'm a dad. I get it. I have no problem 47 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: with it. Honestly, However, he's point what you talked about earlier. Yeah, 48 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: it's your college football Monday. But it's not a normal program. 49 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: It doesn't run by normal things. It doesn't look great 50 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: to the you know, to the other ninety that you're 51 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: taking care of. But I gotta be honest, I haven't 52 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: feeling that thirty or forty those guys might not be 53 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: around soon anyway. So in a season that's gonna looks 54 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: like it's going to be three and nine, maybe it's 55 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: a mood point. I don't know. It's a great there's 56 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: a no win situation with that, But I honestly, personally, 57 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: even as an air quote critic, don't have an issue 58 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: with that given the context of it. I don't. 59 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: Hey, Shannis rick Lewis, I talked about your article this 60 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 4: morning on my morning show on the Fox Headline. See you, 61 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: Buff's coach Deon Sanders is right, this mess is on him. 62 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 4: I think that's a great headline, and looking at the program, 63 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 4: they seem to be a hot mess right now. 64 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's got layers and it's not it's on him. 65 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: It's not just him. And again it sounds like I'm 66 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 3: giving him flowers when I'm the king of thorns. To 67 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: his credit, he had stood up and said come after me. Well, 68 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: you know I can laugh say I have, and I 69 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: know that there are limits to that. That said, you know, 70 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: he has been upfront about the responsibility also in part 71 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: because he has the most unbelievable job security of anybody 72 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: known to man, and that's a lot easier to do. 73 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: I think what's going to be really, really hard and interesting, 74 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 3: and I'll be fascinated because I've written about this the 75 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: week before with this program is what Dion does with 76 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: the coaching staff, because he is serious about giving underserved 77 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: and friends of his opportunities, which is not a different 78 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: from any other coach or any other CEO in a 79 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: lot of ways. It's just that a lot of his 80 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: good friends have never been coaches before. They're legendary football 81 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: players and icons of their generation. So he likes what 82 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: he likes and it's taken a bit of a bump, 83 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: and there's been a lot of reasons for that too, 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: from coaching the quarterback play to the defense, just as 85 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: you know in it's being bad from from stem to 86 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: stern and there they've never tackled a running quarterback all 87 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: year and they won't start now. And the fact that 88 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: you off's two of maybe the best five players you 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: ever had, and not just one of the Dean Travis Hunter, 90 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: but Hunter and Shidur. He certainly lost the best two 91 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: way player, uh and best athlete and best throwing quarterback 92 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: you ever had, and it showed. I think the degree 93 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: to which it all fell off is on him, and 94 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's the starkness of this 95 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: kind of roller coaster peaks and troughs of like four 96 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: and eight, ninety four, three nine, that it's a little 97 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: hard to get used to. And I think maybe we're 98 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: gonna have to because when you are doing that much 99 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: portal hopping, and we can't call it mercenary you, but 100 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: it kind of is. When you're when you're changing over 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: the roster that much much, you are going to have 102 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: a one lost record performances that that kind of look 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: like that on balance. And the good news I guess 104 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: is that means next year they could win seven or 105 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: eight games. I guess that they find the right people. 106 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: They're going to have to find a lot of different 107 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 3: people to make that work. 108 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: Tucker Sean kaylersh on you know, the offensive coordinator position 109 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: as an infraim in there. Now, they've faquently thankfully vacated 110 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: the Punt Schermer era. But as we look forward to 111 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: whatever it is that it will be next, do you 112 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: think he promotes I mean, you talked about it. He 113 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: is a guy that's you know, I'm going to bring 114 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: along my buddies more or less is Byron Lefwich, who 115 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: has experienced as an offensive coordinator in the NFL. The 116 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: next experiment at Colorado. 117 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: I'm surprised that hasn't been because I think we saw 118 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: the writing on the wall when he came aboard that 119 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: you know, well, you know, Pat, don't don't sign any leases. Pad. 120 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: This is somebody who's had some play calling experience and 121 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 3: he is in the prime circle of trust and that 122 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: is not a very large bend diagram crossover and has 123 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: done it at a pretty good level with a pretty 124 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 3: good track record. So I think if they were going 125 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: to do that, they would have done it by now. 126 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: But I also think that they're keeping all options open 127 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: and know that they are and are maybe looking again 128 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: from the outside too. But I've heard that he has 129 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: a good relationship with Julian Lewis, which is really the 130 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: most important thing here because if there's an upside and 131 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: we knew this was going to come as the season 132 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: went off the rails. For these last four games is 133 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: this week at the last two to three have been 134 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: have been about Julian Lewis and getting integrated and making 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: sure he's got a comfort zone. And I think he 136 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: is going to have a say and should have the 137 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 3: number one say, frankly as to where this offense goes. 138 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: And I think he likes who he's got, but I 139 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: think he's got some ideas as well, and I'll be 140 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: fascinating to see because he is quarterback. Is frank Eon 141 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: Sanders offense the most critical piece and if you don't 142 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: get that right or don't get it consistent, you get 143 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: what we've seen. So I think they want to avoid 144 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: a lot of that and that will be the lesson 145 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: that they take from this year. 146 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: We're talking to Sean Keeler of the Denver Posts, and 147 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: as everybody knows, coach Prime is not traditional. 148 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: He's unorthodox. 149 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: He's trying to build a college football program in a 150 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: different way than just about anybody else that's tried to 151 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: do it. He doesn't go out and recruit. He prefers 152 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 4: to build a team every year, a new team every 153 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: year through the transfer portal, and I don't know if 154 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 4: that's sustainable. 155 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: I still think that's debatable if. 156 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: It is or not. But now we're seeing fans losing patience, 157 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: sean and interest that stadium. There was a lot of 158 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: empty seats in that stadium Saturday night, and so Boulder 159 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: has always been that place. If you win at CEU Boulder, 160 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 4: people are going to go to the game. When you're 161 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: not winning, they got better things to do. 162 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: They do. 163 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: And I went to double check the attendance to see 164 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: if the numbers matched the eyes, because I remember that 165 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: Utah game on I think it was the Black Friday 166 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: weekend in twenty twenty two. The dark ages of the 167 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: end of one and eleven, well one in eleven gets 168 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: said a lot. Anytime you say anything remotely critical of 169 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: the coach primaire, they go on a eleven what and eleven? 170 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: You go yeah, But there were other what what eleventh 171 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: before this uh to a point there were like thirty 172 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: three thousand, five hundred for that Utah game. They were 173 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: listed about forty three thousand and change this last Saturday 174 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 3: for Arizona State. So yeah, we see the empty seats, 175 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: but it's not the same level of apathy but work. 176 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: To your point, No, you're right on the honeymoon has limits. 177 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: There is an expiration date on all sides. I mean 178 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: there is a point where you know, coaches can get 179 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: frustrated with looking at either for access grades, you know, money, 180 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: what have you that that they say, I just can't 181 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: get done here what I want to get done. So 182 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: I think we're starting to see I think to your point, 183 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: the sustainability answer is that it's not that's what this 184 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 3: year also will be proven. But then then maybe they 185 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: they'll turn back and say, well, it was his health 186 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: all year. And that's a fair point. I got to 187 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: be honest from from where we were in August, and 188 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: people who I know, who who know Prime better than 189 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: I said that he really was getting was in Texas 190 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,239 Speaker 3: and was so not a factor here personally and physically 191 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: while he was recovering from from his cancer surgery. Uh. 192 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: They're surprised that he coached at all. And I kind 193 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: of was too, because I think, in hindsight, if anyone 194 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: would have given him a grace period, you know that 195 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: did coach k take a year off or his back 196 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 3: you know, one of those kind of years where they go, 197 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: you know, you're good, Just get right and let's do 198 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: this right, because to your point, none of this has 199 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: really felt right from the get go. It's kind of 200 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: just been like a moving train. And I mean, we're 201 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: used to it being kind of crazy and unorthodox, but 202 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: it's just kind of been on the back foot from 203 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: about half way through that after the second drive against 204 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: Georgia Tech, when they went up and they were plus 205 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: three or plus four or whatever and couldn't punch it in, 206 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: which is internal overs, which has kind of been a 207 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 3: theme I think about this season though, get takeaways, go 208 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: do the right things, and they just can't score to 209 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: take advantage of it as opposed to a year ago. 210 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: Maybe hindsight he would have taken this year off and 211 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: gotten right. But but you know, thinking conventionally, to go 212 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: into Deon Sanders mind is a is kind of it's 213 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: kind of a tricky road to go down because none 214 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: of us have never really really been in there and 215 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: can see it. But now he's got to wear that. 216 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: You know, he might not have had to wear a 217 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 3: three and nine, but he's probably gonna have to wear 218 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: it this year and that's definitely going to impact the brand, 219 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: impact legacy and it's going to impact the plan and 220 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: going forward, and so I'll be very curious to see 221 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: just how deep those adjustments go besides the obvious roster 222 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: ones and where those things are, especially if they feel 223 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: good about Juji Lewis and building things around him. 224 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: That was Sean Killer of the Denver post at Sean 225 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: Killer on Twitter. 226 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: You know. 227 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because when young came here, we knew 228 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: what this was going to be. We knew that this 229 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: was going to be largely a portal school as far 230 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: as that that kind of stuff goes. And at the time, 231 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: that was a novel strategy, and you know, nobody else 232 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: had done it. 233 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: We didn't know if that was sustainable. 234 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: And when we saw right away that there was some 235 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: success at least around it in the second season, what 236 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: happens is you have other schools emulate that philosophy and 237 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: you get diminishing turns on that because other schools with 238 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: more money you are doing the same thing that you did. 239 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: Is prime going to have to switch to more of 240 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: a back to pivot, back to more of a homegrown 241 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: tactic or something where they're getting kids for the long term, 242 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: simply because this portal strategy everybody's doing it now. 243 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: I think a validity to that. I mean, if Texas 244 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: Tech can offer twice the money, they're going to get 245 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: twice as good a players to shoo. Right to your point, Yeah, 246 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: it's if it becomes an open binning war. I don't 247 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: think CU is ever going to win, you know, even 248 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: within their own league, you would think they have a 249 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: better shot in the Big twelve, which is such a 250 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: bunch of middlewege Historically, You're You're probably not even in 251 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: the top maybe two or three compared to you. I'm 252 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: sure Baylor's got a pretty good kitty. All those Texas 253 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: A low money places are going to have a lot, 254 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: a lot more wiggle room with I think with the 255 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: offensive line a defensive line. I've said it from day one. 256 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't think you can build a kind of community 257 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: that traditionally you've had while trying to keep piecemealing that. 258 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: I think that's just a I don't I don't think 259 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 3: that's a that's sound strategy. I understand why, but I 260 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 3: think that doesn't work in the long term, and I 261 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: think you have to re examine starting there. Offensive lines 262 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: and defensive lines are not free agent skill position guys. 263 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: You can't just plug and play and make that happen. 264 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: You've got a good left tackle in Jordan Seton. You've 265 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: got a guy that you can build that offensive line 266 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: around that. You need three more of him, and you 267 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: need the time, the teachers and the patients to go 268 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: and establish people around him, because that's an NFL player. 269 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: That's a guy that moved. You've you've seen him some 270 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: I'll step out of three. You're like, what are you 271 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: talking about? But I'm not saying I see pine sewell. 272 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: But he can move. I like tackles the kongo, I 273 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: like lineman the kongoonment space. He can do that when 274 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: he's out. He hasn't been. Uh, but that's kind of 275 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: self explanatory. Then yeah, I think you will need some 276 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: old school verities. You need to kind of go back 277 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: to those basics. But that's that's count, you know. Is 278 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: it counterculture? Is it that in the Superman movie? Is 279 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: it punk to be nice? Is it punk to go slow? 280 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: And some one of those lines was there? It is 281 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: that the new way to be rebellious is go back 282 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: and get high schoolers and go back to build them 283 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: up in the weight room. I just don't see deon 284 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: Sanders doing that though, because as much as he talks 285 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: about I'm impatient. I want it now. This is a 286 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: unique time and place in college sports, as you guys know, 287 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: and not a lot of people, many, many, many would 288 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: have started saying Coach Prime could never do this with 289 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: his personality and the methodology he wants at any other 290 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: time and place in college sports and right now. 291 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: Uh. 292 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: And if that changes, well, you know, will he adapt 293 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: to it? I don't. I don't know. I think that's 294 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: a million dollars. That's a ten million dollar question that 295 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: See You is paying for. Uh. And I will be 296 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: curious how they mitigate that going forward. 297 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: Seaun teelor Denver posts one more for me. You're a 298 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: great guest. By the way, you mentioned coach Prime's health issues, 299 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 4: and he's got some serious health issues and he had 300 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 4: those going in and Matt, big props to him for 301 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 4: continuing just day to day grind of coaching a big 302 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: time football program and having such a great attitude. 303 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: And see you. 304 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 4: Not considered a big football powerhouse like your Michigan, Ohio State, 305 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: Alabama's and the rest. And Prime is one of the 306 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: highest paid coaches in college football. And with that you 307 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: have to win. He has one winning season sandwich between 308 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: a couple of three and four winning seasons at those 309 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: big football powerhouses that coach gets fired after a three 310 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 4: year start like this, Am I right? 311 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: Yes? 312 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: Now, coach Prime's not going to get fired. See who's 313 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: not going to do that even if they wanted to, 314 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: they couldn't afford it. But what do you think are 315 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: the chances that maybe he steps down at the end 316 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 4: of the year. 317 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: I think they're less as bad as this is. God, 318 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: does that make sense? I think the brand well, first 319 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: of all, let's go back again. He was the humanist God. 320 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: What that doesn't fit to type at all. His health 321 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: is the most important thing. A human being's health and 322 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: their long term longevity. Is a father and a grand 323 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: That man is a father and a grandfather. Go be 324 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: that first. That's that's the most important thing one. So 325 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: I think mother nature and or a doctor is ultimately 326 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: going to if that makes sense, to get to determine 327 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: how this ends. He hasn't been good for the brand, 328 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: and the brand will always be there. No one sells, 329 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: No one pitches the way Deon Sanders pitches. It's a gift, 330 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: it's it's earned it it's amazing. I wish I had that. 331 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: I don't. I can barely sell getting out of chores 332 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: and help my honeydee list at home. But the health 333 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: is going to be the most important thing at some point, 334 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 3: and I think that ultimately wherever this ends, I'm not 335 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 3: sure it's now, although you get different whispers and different corners, 336 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: especially with television openings being what they are, and with 337 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: someone who is so good in the public eye and 338 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: could do again compliment to Deon Sanders, who could do anything, 339 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: someone who could do anything with the rest of their lives, 340 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 3: why would they choose to do this? I think the 341 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 3: winning matters. I think getting his close friends and trusted 342 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: friends into coaching matters, because a lot of these guys 343 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: would not get the kind of jobs they have now 344 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 3: if they didn't have them For him. I think that 345 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: kind of patriarchy matters to him. That friendship clearly matters 346 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: to him. So I don't know. I every year, last year, 347 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: at this time, walk Away win a big twelve. Yeah, 348 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: well they haven't won one yet, So until he does, 349 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: I think staying is always on the table. But your 350 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: body's going to decide that man, and maybe a higher 351 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: power than any of us to be frank. 352 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Well, uh you know that's uh, my body has decided 353 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: that it's it's several things. We're not gonna get into 354 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: that right now. I was gonna tie that back to 355 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: big my Conco, but I don't know. I think my 356 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: Concho would appreciate it. 357 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: Sean. 358 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: We appreciate you jumping on. 359 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: As always, cloud around with this and giving us some 360 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: great insight and look forward talking against him. 361 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: You bet ain't time. Take care, guys. 362 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 4: Thank you, Sean. 363 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: Sean Keiller never post that's Sean Keeller on Twitter