1 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Scott Berlin. 2 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin and here 3 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: with Jerome Stanger and Paul Calls are both from the 4 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: Cincinna Zoo and Potanical Garden. 5 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for being here. 6 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: I messed it up, yep, I go back and forth 7 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: Cincinnai Botanical Garden and Zoo. More importantly, we have Andrew 8 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: Bunting on the line now. Andrew's a longtime friend. He 9 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: is now working at the Pennsylvania Horticultural Society, but he's 10 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: been at all of my favorite places, Scott Arberretam, Chicago Botanic, 11 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: Atlanta Botanic, and a lot more. His his resume is 12 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: unbelievable and he's here with us right now. Andrew, how 13 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: are you doing. 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 3: I'm good, Scott. Thanks for having me. 15 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: Oh, it's great to have you here. 16 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: You currently, what's your title with the PHS right now? 17 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: It's Vice President of Horticulture. 18 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: Oh okay, and that a lot of people know the 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: PHS for their what do you call gold metal plants? 20 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 4: That all right? 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: We have the gold Medal plant program a lot of 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 3: people and that was especially for the Philadelphia Flowers Show. 23 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, that too, also that. But we brought 24 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: you on because we have Jerome here, who at the 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: Cincinnai Botanical Gardens who's got it right this time, does 26 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: a lot with our community gardens, and you do a 27 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: lot with the phs's community gardens. And I thought it 28 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: would be a great conversation to have between mostly between 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: the two of you, to talk about what you're doing, 30 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: what we're doing, and do you want to encourage people 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: to call if they want to talk about community gardens. 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: Our numbers eight hundred and eighty three eighty two fifty five. 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: So Andrew, first off, why don't you tell us a 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: little a bit about the programs that you do offer. 35 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: Sure, So, a lot of the work we do do 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: at the Pennsylvania Horticultural Society, I'll just call it PHS 37 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: is community based, and we have a whole division called 38 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: Healthy Neighborhoods and that has four really five I guess 39 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: major programmatic arts. One is a workforce development program, cleaning 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: and greening a vacant lots, stormwater solutions that we run 41 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: through the Philadelphia Water Department, our streeture programs, and then 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: our community gardens program, which is probably one of our 43 00:02:53,880 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: longest running community based programs and just kind of an nutshell. 44 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: The way that program works is we're there to provide 45 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: about two hundred partner community gardens with resources, so it 46 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: could either be teaching them how to grow certain crops 47 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: or maybe advocacy or helping them with governance issues, or 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: supplying them with salt a or composts or landscape timbers 49 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: or tools. We have a tool library, and then we 50 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: also distribute as seedlings to those partner gardens every year. 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,559 Speaker 1: That sounds fantastic. 52 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: We do a lot of work like that too, supporting 53 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: basically supporting community gardens and doing the follow up once 54 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: a garden is established, which is so important to stay 55 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: behind it and keep it going because you see a 56 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: lot of gardens that get built, they're beautiful, and then 57 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: nobody really owns it after that. 58 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's key, is that they have the 59 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: supports that they can stay around, hopefully and in perpetuity. Otherwise, 60 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: you know, I think a lot of it maybe does 61 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: sometimes come down to governance. They don't have the proper 62 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: kind of committees or board support, so you know, there's 63 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: no kind of set standards or expectations for how the 64 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: people that are gardening there should should conduct themselves. So 65 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: you know, having that and then you know, so PHS 66 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: is there always is kind of whatever support almost whatever 67 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 3: support they need, we can help them. And we also 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: have some we can at times provide some financial support. 69 00:04:52,279 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: We have with our longtime CEO, James Pepper retired, they uh, 70 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 3: they raise money in her honor and set up an endowloo, 71 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: the Legacy Landscapes Endowment, and that supports a lot of 72 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: our big public gardens in the city, but it also 73 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: supports a number of what we call Keystone community gardens. 74 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: These are like the most significant community gardens. So there 75 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: is some some money in there. So if they need, 76 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: like say to install you know, faucets, or maybe they 77 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: need to to put in new pathways or you know, 78 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: maybe some sort of structure so they have shade and 79 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: can meet or tool set or whatever the case might be, 80 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: so we can we don't you know, that's not endless, 81 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: but that is a resource as well. 82 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 5: And there are some Hey Andrew, this is your own talking. 83 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 5: By the way, there there are so many overlaps with 84 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 5: what PHS is doing. We're kind of doing things on 85 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 5: a smaller scale, somewhat independently. At the Cincinnatzoo and Botanical 86 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 5: Garden are our key you know, funder partner for these 87 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 5: community projects that we're doing is the Cincinnati Reds Community 88 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: Fund and Charlie Frank and the Reds Community Fund, which 89 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 5: started in like two thousand and six when they would 90 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 5: go into it would pick a community every year and 91 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 5: fix up a ball field and some of the recreational 92 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 5: facilities in a certain community. We started adding a green 93 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 5: space landscaping component. We joined them in twenty thirteen to 94 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: kind of bring a tree planting element to these projects 95 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 5: and really since then, every year it's. 96 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: Grown and. 97 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 5: Really post COVID, I would say we kind of started 98 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 5: a new phase. There was a lot of like goodwill 99 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 5: built up and we took a year off during COVID 100 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 5: for the product, and so we came into Avondale, which 101 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 5: is home of the zoo, and we were able to 102 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 5: basically renovate an empty two acre field into maybe the 103 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 5: most plant diverse giant school garden. We call them urban 104 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 5: learning gardens. Those are kind of like our keystone gardens 105 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 5: that we focus on now every year with the Reds 106 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 5: Community Fund. They're usually tied to a Cincinnati public school, 107 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 5: but you know that you're talking about that endowment. You 108 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 5: got to have that sort of like source funding. And 109 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 5: we're very fortunate to be paired with the Cincinnati Reds 110 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 5: and also other kind of like key Cincinnati institutions like 111 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: Procter and Gamble and Ge and Kroger and some of 112 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 5: these other large institutions to all come together and make 113 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 5: a big difference in these communities year to year. And 114 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 5: it's really exciting because internally we have been kind of, 115 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 5: you know, as we react to the growing green space 116 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 5: push in Cincinnati, we've been building out our own community 117 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 5: Gardens team within our department that's just devoted to those 118 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 5: very historically challenging issues of maintaining gardens after they're installed, 119 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: and facilitating community champions and volunteer groups, and working with 120 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 5: the schools, not so much defining curriculums or anything for 121 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: the teachers, but helping people to immerse themselves in these spaces, 122 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 5: because sometimes it can take a little while for communities 123 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: to become comfortable and familiar with their green space. 124 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: Andrew, looking forward to your response to that, but we 125 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: do need to take a break, so we'll be back 126 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: after a few minutes. 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It seems like you 167 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: guys are probably the absolute leaders in this world of 168 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: community gardens, and you're probably two or three steps ahead 169 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,239 Speaker 2: of us. 170 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, I mean that might be true, but I've 171 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: been to Avondale. You guys took me there one time 172 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: when I either was lecturing there or just visiting for 173 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: one of your free, awesome symposia. And what I liked 174 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: about your model is that it includes a lot of things. 175 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: So it has the community garden aspect, It has beautiful gardens, 176 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: so it's almost like if you could take a botanic 177 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: garden and a community garden and hybridize the two. And 178 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: then the Avondale site, as I remember it, you're also 179 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: growing plants there, So there's kind of the economic impact aspect. 180 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: And you know, for our programs, we have what we 181 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: call them impact priorities, So these are every program has 182 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: to support one of these four impact priorities. And I 183 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: think they kind of align with what you're trying to 184 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: do as well. So the impact priorities are expanding economic opportunity, 185 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: building meaningful social connections, increasing access to fresh food, and 186 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: creating healthy living environments. And your program does all four 187 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 3: of those. And I like that. It's your programs like 188 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 3: our programs are. They're replicable. So you could take kind 189 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: of the model like you've done it Avondale, and you 190 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: could scale it up, like you could make that guarden 191 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: ten times as big, or you could scale it down 192 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: and make it a quarter the size. So I like 193 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 3: that aspect of programs. And a lot of our programs, 194 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 3: like our vac a Lot program, we get a lot 195 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: of people that want to come and see it and 196 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: they want to maybe use it in their own town 197 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: or city. And I feel like your program, you know, 198 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: could be replicated and you know, cities all over Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, wherever, 199 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: you know, not even not even locally, but you know, 200 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: your your model could be used in you know, in 201 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: Tokyo or wherever. So I like that aspect of it also. 202 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: And the one I went to Avondale, I just thought 203 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: was so dynamic, you know, it had all those different components. 204 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: I think it had a pollinator garden as well. And 205 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: I know I think Jerome or somebody was there the 206 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: day I was there and they're they're planting street trees 207 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: out on the street, and it was like, right, is 208 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,359 Speaker 3: right next to a school, so it has the school 209 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: component as well. So I think is as many you know, 210 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: kind of ideas that you can pull pull into these 211 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: gardens to make them even more dynamic. You know, it 212 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: really becomes such a an asset for the community and 213 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of our community work, and 214 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: I know this is true for you guys as well, 215 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: is in parts of the city that need help and 216 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: where we do most of our work are in low 217 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: income neighborhoods that have all sorts of equity issues, including 218 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: green equity issues. So they have low low canopy coverage 219 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: from street trees, they have low access to parts, they 220 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: have low access to fresh fruit, food, there's all sorts 221 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: of food, foods, sovereignty issues. So that's where that's where 222 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: we really target our work, and most of our work 223 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: is in Philadelphia, but we do do we have expanded 224 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: beyond Philadelphia, especially with our trees program. 225 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And. 226 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 5: Another another thing I think that makes these these green 227 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 5: spaces thrive is the boots on the ground horticultural commitment 228 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 5: that we give to the sites, as does PHS right, 229 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 5: because if we want perpetuity and longevity in these spaces, 230 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 5: there has to be not just facilitation, but actual, like 231 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 5: in the garden help with these places to keep them going. 232 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 5: I think it's it's a really nice idea to, you know, 233 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 5: assume that the community is going to figure it out 234 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: and come together and keep the spaces evolving, but there 235 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 5: has to be that continued support and guidance, and those 236 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 5: are the things that are the hardest of fund fund 237 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 5: and it's just really awesome what PHS is doing, what 238 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 5: the Zoo's doing, just in order to ensure that these 239 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 5: places keep thriving. 240 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: One thing I like about the Avondale Garden, which is 241 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: the urban learning learning garden at Rockdale Academy, is right 242 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: there for the kids. And I think about how many 243 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: gardeners and horticulturists I know who became horticulturists because of 244 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: some exposure to gardens when they were kids. How many 245 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 2: times do you hear, oh, my grandmother was a gardener, 246 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: my dad was or whatever, and that led to this 247 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: lifelong love of plants and getting this exposure, especially in 248 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: urban areas, to children, you know, to just at least 249 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: give them the idea that this world exists and that 250 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: the beauty is possible and growing your own food is possible. 251 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: So important. 252 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we installed that garden in twenty twenty one. 253 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 5: So the kids were that were in first grade when 254 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 5: the garden went in are in sixth grade now and 255 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 5: they've grown up with this garden and they will be 256 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 5: happy to lead you on a tour around it, show 257 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 5: you where always the fruit, the fruiting berries are at 258 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: different times of year. They'll take you to your their 259 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 5: favorite parts of the garden where they like to spend 260 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 5: the most time. So it's really cool to start seeing 261 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: the payoff. You see these kids growing up with a 262 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 5: natural space right right outside their school. 263 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: Andrew, this is Paula. 264 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 7: I have a question for you, the follow up to 265 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 7: you know, you we put a lot of effort into 266 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 7: the development of these gardens and they're really popular, Like 267 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 7: you know on the front end, Uh, what does PHS do? 268 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 7: How do they set them up for continued success? 269 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a couple of different ways we. 270 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: Do that. 271 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 3: So we have a program called City Harvest. So we 272 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: ask our partner gardens to commit to being part of 273 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: this city Harvest program, and by doing so, they they 274 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 3: commit to a couple of different things. They get all 275 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: the resources by committing to be a city Harvest garden. 276 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: So I mentioned we do. We distribute seedling vegetables to 277 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 3: them each year. We actually do it in four different seasons. 278 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: So we do an early spring, a spring, a late summer, 279 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: and then like a fall distribution and we distribute three 280 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: hundred thousand seedlings that we grow at what we call 281 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: four different green resource centers. 282 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 283 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a minute until our break, So if 284 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: we continue with your thought, I'll tell you what Andrew, 285 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: We'll just go ahead to break. Just a reminder you're 286 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: listening to Let's Garden. 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And where were we 316 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: when we left offer? 317 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: We were talking about what PHS can do to kind 318 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: of help support these community. 319 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 7: Gardens, right right, you were you were talking about what 320 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 7: the community garden folks had to commit to and right, yeah. 321 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 3: So that's called city harvest and so they they commit 322 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: to that and then they get the seed lanes and 323 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 3: you know, technical support and you know kind of all 324 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: the support of PHS. But what they what they give 325 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: us is or what they commit to, is they have 326 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: to dedicate ten percent of their harvest to go into 327 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 3: a food bank. So while that doesn't you know, doesn't 328 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 3: mean that they're going to be around forever, I think 329 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: by having kind of that strong structure and kind of 330 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: expect expectations on both ends, that does that that that's 331 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: one thing that does help. Another another resource that we 332 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: kind of bring to the table is we have a 333 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: close partnership with another nonprofit called NGT Neighborhood Gardens Trust. 334 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: And what NGT does is they work with gardens to 335 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: actually secure the land. So a lot of community gardens 336 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: you know that may have started decades ago, started on 337 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: vacant lands. Well, as it turns out, the vacant lands 338 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: may be vacant, but they're actually owned by somebody. They 339 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 3: may have just got you know, they may have been 340 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: a tax lean against the property and it's kind of 341 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: in limbo. Well you know, once the taxes get paid, 342 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: then you know, lots of parts of the city. And 343 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure the same as true in Cincinnati is they're 344 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 3: starting to develop a lot of these lands. So it's 345 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 3: put a lot of these community gardens at risks. So 346 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: what MGT does is they come in and they work 347 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 3: with the community garden to get buy the land. So 348 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: they either do it through complex land swamps or they 349 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: buy it you know, outright with cash or through a 350 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: number of different means. And I think they've secured about 351 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: seventy gardens so that they and then they stay on 352 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: also as a supporting partner. So m GT you know, 353 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: it acquires the land. The land is held in a 354 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: in a land trust, their own trust, so they kind 355 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: of they own the land, but then they stay on 356 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 3: to help these gardens with uh with needs as well. 357 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: I just went to an NGT Phs garden in Germantown, 358 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 3: and this garden was on like a lot of them, 359 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 3: on a you know, vacant abandoned land, and you know 360 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: a lot of these lands they just you know, pile 361 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: the rubbish or the debris into the basement, put soil 362 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: on top. This one was on a slope and it 363 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: was really difficult for especially the elderly gardeners to get around. 364 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: So they hired a local garden design and installation business 365 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 3: called Apiary Studios who's exhibited at the Flower Show the 366 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 3: last five years and they're also based in german Town, 367 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: and they designed the garden where they would actually they 368 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: actually terraced the garden into three terraces. At the bottom 369 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: of each terrace, running along the slope was a pathway. 370 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 3: They put in water, they did they put in a pavilion, 371 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: they put in a secured storage shed. So this and 372 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: one of the prerequisites of this garden is they didn't 373 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: want to miss a gardening season, so they did all 374 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 3: this work over last winter and it was transformational to 375 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 3: this garden. And this is a garden that's been around 376 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: for probably forty years and some of the members have 377 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 3: been there for probably the whole forty years. So it 378 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: was a great resource that so MGT did both you know, 379 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: securing the land, but then they also been a fundraising 380 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: campaign to support this garden transformation. 381 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: Very cool. 382 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 5: You know, one thing that's interesting to me listening to 383 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 5: Andrew talk and we talk about we throw the word 384 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 5: community garden out just sort of as a catch all 385 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 5: for all the green spaces that we're all involved in. 386 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 5: I think most people think urban agg when they hear 387 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 5: community vegetables, produce food gardens. That is a that's a 388 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 5: very small component what the Zoo is doing with our 389 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 5: green spaces. It is a component tied to our urban 390 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 5: learning gardens. But we're also we're you know, we have 391 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 5: other community gardens where we're in the medical space and 392 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 5: the health and wellness space and school gardens right and 393 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 5: we we kind of say community garden just as a 394 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 5: as a catch all, but every gardens a little different 395 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 5: for us. 396 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: I've always felt like the component of beauty is so 397 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: important because you're putting this these things in neighborhoods where 398 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 2: people live, and if it looks like a shannytown with 399 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: sticks and wires and nothing but vegetables and things it, 400 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't have the appeal that it does if it's 401 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: more designed and has beautiful plants incorporated into it. 402 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, community pride starts with that respect and 403 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 5: that that visual that that awe inspiring landscape. So when 404 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 5: you drive by and something's clean and kept up, that's 405 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 5: that's the start of community pride, right. 406 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: And just one I think of Rockdale a lot of 407 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: times where you know that you can put that garden 408 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: largely in any neighborhood, wealthy or not, and people would 409 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: be proud of it. 410 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's an important thing. Yeah. 411 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 5: I mean there's nothing more beautiful than a well kept 412 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 5: green space, and there's nothing more you know, distraught than 413 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: a poorly kept green space. And you know, we're all 414 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 5: trying to do the right thing, and there's so much 415 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 5: good intention behind all this stuff. But I mean, it 416 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 5: can it can get off the rails pretty quickly if 417 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 5: you're not set up. I mean, we've learned it the 418 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 5: hard way a few times, and it's we're still continuing 419 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 5: with the program to to figure each garden out. Every 420 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 5: garden is different, every site is different, every community champion 421 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 5: is different, and what they can contribute and like what 422 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 5: Andrew was saying about, you know, the commitments that the 423 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 5: communities have to make on their side. A lot of 424 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 5: the times we're in spaces with like schools and stuff, 425 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 5: they frankly they can't really commit anything because they're so 426 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 5: it's hard enough to be a public school teacher or 427 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 5: principal just like getting by and making sure your students are. 428 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: Tend to move on. 429 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Andrew, we have two or three minutes. Anything 430 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: you want to add before we move on to break. 431 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, you know, like you guys said, you know, 432 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: these community gardens can be different things. Most of our 433 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 3: community gardens are gardens for the community to grow vegetables. 434 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: But we do have a site work of the city 435 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 3: called Norristown Farm Park that is a bit more like 436 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 3: urban AGG. We're doing kind of mass production of food 437 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: to support food banks. And then we have kind of 438 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 3: a Veggie RX component where we're working with a local 439 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: healthcare provider to actually prescribe vegetables and then track that 440 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 3: data over time. When I was a Chicago Botanic ire 441 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: and they have another program that's called that Windy City Harvest, 442 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: which is more urban AG and they also have a 443 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: Veggie RX program, And so the idea is that if 444 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: you prescribe, maybe in addition to some medications, some vegetables, 445 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: that hopefully over time the vegetables, you know that you 446 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: don't need the medications, that you have such a healthy 447 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 3: diet that maybe a lot of the needs for various 448 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 3: medications goes away. So that's kind of a kind of 449 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: byproduct of community gardens. 450 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: Very very cool. 451 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: This is all inspiring stuff, and I hope people have been, 452 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: you know, enjoying this conversation. There are you know, community 453 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: gardens are important in a lot of these communities, any community, honestly. 454 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: And. 455 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: If you're listening and you're a gardener and you have 456 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: time on your hands, consider being a volunteer to help 457 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: community gardens out. There are a lot of organizations probably 458 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: in almost any city that are running community gardens and 459 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: you can join in and you know, it's always fun 460 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: working with the organization the other gardeners. You can learn 461 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: so much and feel really good about, you know, the 462 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: time that you give back to the community. So, Andrew, 463 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: we're going to wrap this segment up and move on 464 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: after the break to leaving gardens. Do you want to 465 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: stick around with us to talk about the emotion of 466 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: when when you need to move to away from your garden. 467 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: That's very good, okay, and we we welcome calls too 468 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: if you've left the garden, had emotions about it, stories, 469 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: anecdotes we'd like to hear on. Our number is eight 470 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: hundred eighty two three eighty two fifty five. 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It's an all 496 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 2: Zoo review today, except we have Andrew Bunting on the 497 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: line from the Pennsylvania Horticulture Society and we're going to 498 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: transition now to moving from away from your garden. 499 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 3: Uh. 500 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 2: This is pretty much gonna happen to everybody at some point. 501 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: We all think about it. Jerome is going through it 502 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: right now. 503 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is you didn't know this, but this is 504 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 5: basically a therapy session for me and. 505 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: Which now that we know that we're charging you money. 506 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 5: So yeah, I kind of wanted to talk about this 507 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 5: because I'm going through right now. My home is on 508 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 5: the market and I am hashtag blessed to be moving 509 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 5: into a fully landscaped, designed and executed urban space that 510 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 5: my partner, Trudy Lorenz, who is a habitat restorationist, we'll say, 511 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 5: landscape designer with her own business in northern Kentucky called 512 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 5: Wild Gardens. So that garden is good, it's beautiful. 513 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: She's going to let you plant anything. 514 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 5: Actually, that's a funny story. I planted four perennials in 515 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 5: the front garden, which is probably about eight feet by 516 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 5: twenty feet postage stamp, and I did it before she 517 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 5: woke up, and she came out and was looking through 518 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 5: the window drinking her coffee, like what are you doing 519 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 5: out there? And I'm like, I'm sorry, I should. 520 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: Have told you, bit take on the coffee. 521 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all good now. I had to, but I 522 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 5: had to work it. So but yeah, I'm leaving a 523 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 5: garden that I my first home. It was eight years 524 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 5: of sweat and love and relaxation and coming to terms 525 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 5: with that is really difficult for me. I'm not taking 526 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 5: any plants with me to this space. The garden is 527 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 5: kind of My relationship with the garden is over. It's 528 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 5: going to become somebody else's relationship. And what they'll do 529 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 5: with the space I have no say over, and I've 530 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 5: kind of had to I'm severing the cord right now, 531 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 5: and I just wanted to kind of talk about it. Obviously, 532 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 5: there's the kind of like financial weirdness about like gardens 533 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 5: and do they raise the value of your home or 534 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 5: lower the value of your home. I'm kind of interested 535 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 5: in that on a larger extent, but kind of for 536 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 5: me right now, I'm more just interested in hearing you 537 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 5: guys talk about like the metaphysical relationship that you have 538 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 5: with your space when you're in it and cultivating something 539 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 5: and all of your perspiration dropping into that soil and 540 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 5: bearing animals in that space and living in that space 541 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 5: and then leaving it. I mean, I'm feeling really really sad, 542 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 5: of course. 543 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew, go ahead, I heard you starting to talk. 544 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I So for a long time I worked 545 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 3: at the Scott Arboretam at Schwarzsmore College, which Scott referenced 546 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 3: in two Thoy fifteen. I got kind of head hunted, 547 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 3: I guess, by the Chicago Botanic Art and I really 548 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 3: was I had no I wasn't thinking about moving at all, 549 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: but you the more I thought about it, it was 550 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 3: at a time in my career where it was like 551 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 3: either now or never to make like a significant career move. 552 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 3: So and it was a significant kind of career advancement. 553 00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 3: And you know, Chicago Botanic Art is an incredible international institut. 554 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 3: I did it so I could reconcile, like leaving my 555 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 3: friends of thirty years and even leaving my sistern mother, 556 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 3: who at the time both lived on the East Coast, 557 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 3: like I could reconcile all of that, But when it 558 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 3: came to the garden, like, I couldn't, you know, I think, 559 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 3: to Jeron's point, I just couldn't couldn't get my head 560 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: around it. So I don't know if this was a 561 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 3: good financial decision or not. Probably not. I decided to 562 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 3: keep my house in Swarthmore, moved to Chicago, rented an apartment, 563 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 3: so I was renting and had still a mortgage on 564 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 3: the house here. I did have a gardener move in 565 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 3: from the Scottter Breta, but it wasn't really his job 566 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: to maintain my garden. He did some pots and vegetable 567 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 3: gardening and stuff like that. So you know, I mean, 568 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,479 Speaker 3: the way it worked out is I ultimately came back. 569 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 3: That was not my plan to come back, but I did. 570 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 3: But when I did come back, you know, probably five 571 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 3: plus years later, even though I was checking out the 572 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: garden from time to time, it was pretty pretty compromised 573 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: in at a lot of different ways. Shrums had died 574 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 3: and certain areas and just kind of pete petered out. 575 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: So now I've a the last five years now back 576 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 3: in the house, kind of bringing the garden back to 577 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: where I would like it to be. Yeah, but to 578 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 3: your point, I couldn't. I couldn't, Like I could reconcile everything, 579 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 3: but I couldn't reconcile giving out my garden. Now. For 580 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 3: a lot of people, that's just not a possible scenario. 581 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 3: We just went through this with my mom. So my 582 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 3: mom passed away about a year and a half ago. 583 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 3: She lived in New Jersey, had a great little home garden, 584 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 3: and you know, you know, we were selling the house 585 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 3: and it was the same thing where it's like, you know, 586 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 3: she for twenty years in retirement, put a lot of 587 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 3: energy into this beautiful little garden that really made her 588 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 3: house stand apart. You know, maybe the the what kind 589 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 3: of helped emotionally as we did have you know, I 590 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 3: don't know where this woman came from, but this young 591 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 3: woman who was our real estate agent, she loved the garden. 592 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 3: She made little boats for the opening, She made little 593 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 3: bouquets from the garden that she came out to anybody 594 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 3: that came to the opening like that really became like 595 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 3: her whole kind of one of the ways she kind 596 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 3: of promoted and sold the house. So that was kind 597 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 3: of a nice when exactly. 598 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 2: When I left my first home in was just really 599 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 2: getting into the gardening at the time and and transitioning 600 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 2: away from vegetable gardens into ornamental gardening. So it was 601 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 2: emotionally a little bit easier, and it was a home 602 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 2: that we moved to that I always admired and really wanted. 603 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 2: But I lost my point, you know, Oh I remember, 604 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 2: So one thing I did is trying to be the 605 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 2: control freak and dictating what the garden would be into 606 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,479 Speaker 2: the future. I wrote a description out of every garden bed, 607 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 2: what the purpose was, what the plants are, in the 608 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 2: hopes that someone would pick that up and go, hey, 609 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 2: this is pretty cool. Maybe I'll carry it on. Also, 610 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 2: when I did landscaping, really more gardening on my own, 611 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 2: I just worked by myself. I didn't have helpers or anything, 612 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 2: so mostly what I did were small gardens. I would 613 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 2: say a good sixty percent of my customers were older 614 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 2: people who had moved away from their gardens and had 615 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 2: moved to like a townhouse or a freestanding condo, and 616 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, they thought they would just be able to 617 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: give it up. 618 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: They were tired of it. You know. 619 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 2: Part of the reason they were moving is because they 620 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 2: couldn't do the work anymore. But every single one of 621 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 2: them missed it terribly, and they hired me to recreate 622 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 2: on the little pieces of ground that they had, something resembling, 623 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 2: you know, putting their favorite plants back in, that kind 624 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 2: of thing. 625 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 1: So we that's time for a break. 626 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 2: We will carry on this conversation some more, because it's 627 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 2: a it's a good one. A little downer, a little 628 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 2: downer on a Saturday morning sometimes, but there's always a 629 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 2: silver lining everything. 630 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: I think Andrew returned to his garden and the. 631 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that? That's very very cool, and you 632 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 2: know other people get to do that as well. So 633 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 2: if you have stories about moving from your garden, give 634 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 2: us a call eight hundred and eighty two three eighty 635 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 2: two fifty five. A reminder you're listening to Let's Garden 636 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 2: with Scott Berline. All the podcasts can be found wherever 637 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 2: podcasts are sourced. If you're interested, you can read my 638 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 2: writing on gardenerant dot com or THEHRT magazine the columns 639 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 2: that I do at hortmag dot com. 640 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a couple of minutes.