1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Well, a good Sunday morning. Welcome aboard at Home with 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Gary Salvin. Take you through another weekend, get a few 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: things done around the home, and let me give you 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: the phone number. Got a question regarding your home repair 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: project or maybe a little maintenance you want to do 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: Donalds Up five one three seven, fifty five hundred. Al 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: right here on fifty five KRC, the talk station. Well 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: the weekends upon us. Welcome you are at Home with 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Garry Salvin. Thanks for joining me. 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And the 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: phone lines are open. Danny's in the chair. He can 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: take your calls. And the phone number is eight hundred 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: eight two three A two five five and feel free 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: to jump on board. Love to chat with you about 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: your home. We've been talking a lot about just things 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: to do, and the other day I had somebody talking 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: to me about firewood and kind of going through that 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: tips with you on firewood. If you have a fireplace 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: and you love burning wood, the only caution is, and 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: I hope you've done this already and if not, get 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: on it, and that is to have that chimney inspected 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: at least every other year. And what you're looking for. 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Obviously he's built up of kreosote, so you'll want to 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: have it cleaned. But really what I'm always concerned about, 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: and really what you should be concerned about, is if 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: the liner inside that chimney has compromised. In other words, 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: you're building a fire inside your house, getting that, you know, 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: exhaust the fumes away from your house and not having 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: the heat or the flames encroach upon your house. And 39 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: that liner is what that is your one line of defense. 40 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: So they won't inspect that and make sure it's in 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: good shape. But our conversation that I was having with 42 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: this person was about storage of firewood. I know so 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: much many of us now have of firewood in and 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: around our home because quite honestly, a revolution of fire pits. 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many homes and it's outside. And 46 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: we talked yesterday even about outdoor living fireplaces outside, fire 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: pits outside. But we still have a lot of people 48 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: that heat by wood and fireplaces and wood stoves inside 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: our home. And where and how do you store all 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: that wood properly and safely. Obviously, if you've got just 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: a little wood, a little bundle or something, it's certainly 52 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: not something you're too worried about. And yeah, I hate 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: to tell you bring it inside, but a lot of 54 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: people do. They're bringing a little tin can or something 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: like that. But ideally, if you're buying or you're cutting 56 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of wood and you're wanting it to dry 57 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: and keep it away from the house, that's number one. 58 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: Don't bring it into the garage. That's number two. Not 59 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: to shed either, store it outside, and don't put a 60 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: big old plastic drop cloth over it. That's not good 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: because what that does is that covers it up and 62 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: then you got ground moisture. I mean you starts raining 63 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: around the area, and that moisture, you know, runs through 64 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: the water table and runs through the soil and it 65 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: create it's a humidity. And you got plastic over your firewood, Yeah, 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: you got it. It's kind of raining inside the greenhouse 67 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: that you just built. So if you want to protect 68 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: firewood from moisture, you don't cover it with plastic. Now, 69 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: if you want to get a drop, you know, or 70 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: a blue tarp or something along those lines, and cover 71 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: maybe the first or the last couple stacks rows of 72 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: wood at the top, but don't go all the way 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: down to the ground. Don't even go halfway. That's fine, 74 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: and that's really the way it should be. The wind, 75 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: the prevailing wind should blow through the stacked wood and 76 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: it'll help dry it out. You cover it with plastic, 77 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: it's never going to dry out. Don't put it up 78 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: against the house. You know, it's stead wood. It's going 79 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: to attract termites, it's going to tract you know, you 80 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: get leaves stuck behind there, and you know, all of 81 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: a sudden, you got snakes and you got rodents, and 82 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: you don't want that against your house. So keeping it 83 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: away from the home, not in the garage, not in 84 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: the shed, out in the area where it can really 85 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: dry and not be any harm of your home. That 86 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: would be the way you want to do it. And remember, 87 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: only burn hardwoods and only burn seasoned woods. Seasons means 88 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: it's been cut a year ago and properly stacked or 89 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: piled where it's breathable, and you can kind of you 90 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: can always tell whether a piece of wood is seasoned, 91 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: because if you take it and really just kind of 92 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: just drop it and on end on a piece of concrete, 93 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: fifth season, it'll have some cracks in it. Anyway, there'll 94 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: be a nice little ping to it. If it's wet, 95 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: it's going to go funk. And of course wet wood 96 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: doesn't burn hot enough, the gases don't all escape, and 97 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: kreiso build up begins in your chimney, which can catch fire, 98 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: which can't crack your liner. All right, So I hope 99 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: that helps, and I hope you have a very safe 100 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: wood burning season. We're getting near that time of year 101 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of wanting to run those things 102 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: past you. Also, as we talked, I guess last weekend 103 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: we chatted a lot about taking a look at that kitchen. 104 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: I know the holidays are literally around the corner, and 105 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: just if you want to spruce things up right, now 106 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: is really the time to do it. I'm talking about 107 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: cleaning the cabinets, talking about maybe resurfacing a countertop, and 108 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: now's the time. Don't put it off, otherwise you're gonna wait, 109 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: literally till next year. I'm still wrapping up projects from 110 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: the summertime too. There was a patio that has settled 111 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: in the back of my home and it's been doing 112 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: it off and on for a number of years, and 113 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: it's gotten to a point now it tilts right towards 114 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: the house. Any sidewalk, any patio, any land tilling towards 115 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: your foundation is never a good thing because it's literally 116 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: taking the rain water and funneling it right on your foundation. Sure, 117 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: when it's the ground, it's easy, right, get some topsoil, 118 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: build that up a little bit, get good slope from 119 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: the foundation. Slab of concrete that's a little more challenging, 120 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: or a sidewalk that runs along the side of the 121 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: garage or the side of the house and some of 122 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: the older homes, and you can still correct it. It's 123 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: just not as simple as throwing dirt on because it's 124 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: a piece of concrete. Sometimes a decorative piece of concrete. 125 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: But on Tuesday, I'm having a company come out. They're 126 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: going to drill holes through that slab. They're gonna pump 127 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: under pressure sementatious grouting, which is going to lift that 128 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: slab and tilted away from the home, kind of putting 129 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: in a foundation. Again, soils subtle over time and we 130 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: get a little tiny potholes sometimes sinkholes, if you will, 131 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: and by pumping that sementatious grouting beneath it, once it 132 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: fills that and you know, takes path least resistance just 133 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: like water. It's a slurry, and eventually it'll start lifting 134 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: that pad and it is amazing when they're on site. 135 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: They can bring it right up to the eighth of 136 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: the inch, right where it's supposed to be, right where 137 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: it always has been. And now you've created a foundation 138 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: underneath that slab. So you know, most of those folks 139 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: will cease operations once we get into temperatures that are 140 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: usually under freezing for a lot of us. That might 141 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: be like Thanksgiving some of us right now, but that's 142 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: usually when they shut down the process. So those are 143 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: my projects. 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Twenty minutes after 194 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: the top of the air, talking a little home improvement 195 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: and trying to inspire us maybe to protect our homes. 196 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: Many of us starting to feel colder fall temperatures, and 197 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: you know what happens then when it gets below zero, 198 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: pipes and things can become troublesome and the water in 199 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: them freezes sometimes if they're not properly protected. So here's 200 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: a little tip today just take away, especially if you're 201 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: new to your house, maybe not so much if you've 202 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: lived in your house in the past, may for a 203 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: lot of years, and you know where those problem areas 204 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: could be, or you've experienced them with a frozen pipe, 205 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've addressed those issues with a pipe 206 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: insulating tube or something along the fiberglass installation, something along 207 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: those lines. But if you're a new homeowner or maybe 208 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: you've just moved in in the last you know, year two, 209 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: I really take a look. Get up in that attic, 210 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: take a look and see if you can find any 211 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: exposed copper lines. Certainly can get below freezing and cold 212 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: weather climates and get some You've seen those foam sleeves 213 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: that go right over copper lines. They work great, they're split, 214 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: they just cuff right on to the copper pipe. But 215 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: get those protected garages in older homes that go underneath 216 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: the house. That's another area that can be troublesome. And 217 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: then as we continue to you know, get our monthly 218 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: energy bills, and I continue to get a lot of 219 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: emails and a lot of different chatter as I see 220 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: people are angry with the cost of it. I'm not 221 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: saying that's bad. I'm just saying people who have had enough. 222 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: I mean, then I have a tendency to ask them like, well, 223 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: what are you doing about it? Have you have you 224 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: thought about that? Have you taken any action? Did you 225 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: get up in the attic. I think a few weeks 226 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: ago I mentioned getting up in the attic and just 227 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: seeing how much insulation you have up there. And I've 228 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: gotten a few emails, gotten a few calls on that. 229 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: It's easy to figure out. Just figure out the depth 230 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: of the insallation on the floor of the attic, and 231 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: for the most part, unless it's foam, you can figure 232 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: about for every R one value is about two and 233 00:14:52,720 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: a half inches of insulation, fiberglass batting, fiberglass blown in, 234 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: cellulos blown in. That's pretty much what you're dealing with. 235 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: Department of Energy has a map, just like a growing 236 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: map if you were planning flowers. They have zones and 237 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: then it has the recommended our value for the Department 238 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: of Energy for you know, the entire United States. Find 239 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: where your city is, find what their zone is, and 240 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: find out what the our value recommended. Where I'm it's 241 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: R forty two. That's about what's sixteen inches of insulation 242 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: seventeen inches somewhere in there. You go up there in 243 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: that attic and you measure seven inches, which is not 244 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: all that uncommon. U. You got to get to work, man, 245 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: you're just wasting money. You know what, you could go 246 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: and buy insulation for or have somebody do it for you. 247 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: We'll pay dividends in a pretty short period of time. 248 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Plus your house will be less drafty, it'll be quieter, 249 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: and you'll be doing something about your energy bill. A 250 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: lot of times you move in a house and if 251 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: you've been there ten or twelve years, it seems like 252 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: you've been there forever, and you really haven't. It's ten 253 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: or twelve years, and you probably really haven't been up 254 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: in the attic to really look what's going on. I've 255 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: seen addicts where there's actually the insulation from wind and 256 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: ventilation has actually created drifts of insulation. This's got to 257 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: be raked out more evenly, fluffed up and find out 258 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: how deep that is. And I'd really recommend everybody do that. 259 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: If you're living in a home prior to like nineteen 260 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: seventy seven, they're very well and probably isn't any insulation 261 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: on your outside walls unless you put some there or 262 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: the previous owner put some there. And yes, you can 263 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: have insulation installed in most cases on an exterior wall, 264 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: and an older home, whether it's sighting or whether it's brick, 265 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: there's usually a pocket of air in there. You may 266 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: not get to an R nineteen. Maybe there's just an 267 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: inch or two there, so you're gonna get maybe with foam, 268 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: you're probably about our seven per inch of thickness. So 269 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: you got something there. But the biggest thing you got 270 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: is you got the elimination of draft. And that's huge, 271 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: especially on a very cold, windy winter day. And if 272 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: you have a newer home, build let's say build it 273 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: even nineties or early two thousands, and you know, in 274 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: the nineties cellulose was that's pretty popular. Cellulose will settle 275 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: and just taking or renting a good thermal imaging camera 276 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: and seeing the variants of colors and it'll show up 277 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: at the top third of the wall. Probably where it 278 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: is settled down. You may find out you have little 279 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: insulation there. And those companies that do foam insulation, they 280 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: can still do that cavity from the outside. Pumping that 281 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: foam in, it'll literally fill in the void. And man, 282 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: I've been in some of the homes where there was 283 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: nothing in the walls and when they were finished foaming it, 284 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: you could you could walk in, you could hear the difference, 285 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: you could feel the difference. And the payback on that 286 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: and you know with paybacks four or five years, so 287 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,239 Speaker 1: the savings is definitely there. Hey, if next year is 288 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: on the project list to build a beautiful outdoor deck. 289 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: Maybe you're just tired of the old, the crepit one 290 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: that's out there. 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Well, thanks for joining me. 334 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: We are all about your home and improving the value 335 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: of your home, taking care of your home. And you're 336 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: at home with Gary Sullivan. Then today I want to 337 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: introduce you to well, a local contractor in my neck 338 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: of the woods, and you know the flagship station is Cincinnati, Ohio. 339 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: His name is Joe Hagen. He's president of a company 340 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: called All decked Out, so he is our decking guru 341 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: and Joe welcome again that home with Gary Sullivan. 342 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 5: Gary, thanks so much for having me. 343 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: You're quite welcome. So how's the decking business this year? 344 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 5: Decking business this year has been great. At first, start 345 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: off a little bit slower, but really started kind of 346 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 5: really taking off as the season went on. 347 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: Boy, you said a mouthful there in our you know city. 348 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: It was a rainy, rainy spring. I know a lot 349 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: of painters and builders and remodelers and now deck builders. 350 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: It was a slow start, but boy, once the weather 351 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: changed everything, everything seemed to break. You know. One of 352 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: the things that's been a trend probably for ten years 353 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: is outdoor living, and of course, for many of us, 354 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: that means a really really nice deck. Can you just 355 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: kind of give me an overview of what's happening in 356 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: the deck business in terms of trends. 357 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of people these days are going for composite, 358 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 5: low maintenance material. They're tired of standing their deck and 359 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 5: replacing boards and worrying about rot. And we're also seeing 360 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 5: a shift in different framing options for decks, like composit framing, 361 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: steel framing, aluminum framing. So there's a lot more options 362 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 5: these days. But a lot of people are just seeing 363 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 5: the value and low maintenance and not having to replace 364 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 5: you know, their decks in every you know, ten fifteen 365 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 5: years or. 366 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: So, Yeah, I think the deck has become very much 367 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: a structure of the house and people are looking at 368 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: it that way. It's it's not like something I'm gonna 369 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: build and I'm gonna forget about it and it's just 370 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: kind of rot on the side of that house. I mean, 371 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: they want something, they want to enjoy. It's it's a 372 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: centerpiece to a house. If it's done right, you agree. 373 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 5: One hundred percent. It is an extension of the home, 374 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 5: and a lot of times it's more important than like 375 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 5: an indoor part of your home because if you entertain 376 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 5: and have people over, it's a great place to like, hey, 377 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 5: let's go out to find and enjoy the outdoor space together. 378 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 5: That's a great it's a great feature to have add 379 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 5: a lot of value to your home. And there's a 380 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 5: lot of things you can do out there, kitchens, fire pits, 381 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 5: you know, and that kind of things that really make 382 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 5: it a unique space. 383 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: Jaws over a friend's house a couple of weeks ago, 384 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: and he had built a I don't know, I don't know, 385 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: maybe there's a special name for but it was covered 386 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: I guess a covered deck is what it'd be called. 387 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: And it was a composite they don't know what kind. 388 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: But then he had a fireplace in it, and he 389 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: had a TV over the fireplace and for the dining. 390 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: You took a couple of steps down there was a 391 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: lower deck and it was beautiful. I mean, the design 392 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: of this deck was great. And your business design work's 393 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: got to be a big part of your job. 394 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 5: It is, and every good deck starts with a good 395 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 5: design obviously. You know, you want to think about you know, 396 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 5: a lot of planning goes into it to have a 397 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 5: well built deck. You know, how you're going to use 398 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 5: the space, You're right, I mean, if you have a 399 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 5: deck and you have a walkout basement, it's a great 400 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 5: idea to add a drainage system underneath there, to have 401 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 5: that deck kind of serve as a roof. It just 402 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 5: adds so much more out theolytic space off spending the 403 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 5: money that you would spend on like a roof structure 404 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 5: over it. So you actually, you know, turn that framing 405 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 5: into usable space below the deck and put a patio 406 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 5: underneath there, and create a whole another space down there. 407 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: Other area, whether it's another patio area or even storage 408 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: I've seen used. But having it drives good. Yes, Yeah, 409 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: so I guess the first thing I guess people can 410 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: make mistakes is just a planning, just kind of just 411 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: thinking a square deck and whoopee, undone that would be 412 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: a mistake. 413 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 5: Yes, I mean you want to think about where you 414 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 5: place the steps, you know, because you're gonna have walkway 415 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 5: zones where you're going to place furniture, because you know 416 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 5: you're not going to place furniture right in front of 417 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 5: a door, right in front of walkway. So designing a 418 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 5: deck is very important for like traffic flow. And I've 419 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 5: seen a lot of decks not designed very well. And 420 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 5: you can pay a lot of money and have a 421 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 5: really big deck built with multi levels which looks good 422 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 5: for pictures, but sometimes it's not so functional. And with 423 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 5: the cost of material things so high with composite, you 424 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 5: don't want to waste a lot of square footage a 425 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 5: bad design because you're just spend an unnecessary money. 426 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: Sure, we're going to get to the decking structures in 427 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: a minute. Here. One of the things I get calls 428 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: on a lot of times is people have an old 429 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: deck that hasn't been maintained, or it's just getting old, 430 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: or they're just it's getting real old, staining it every 431 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: year or two and oh, I'll just put some composites 432 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 1: on top of this come and everything will be okay, 433 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: and I'm going, well, hold on, composites are a little 434 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: more expensive than and they then you know, pressure treated wood, 435 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: and the installation's a little different, and what kind of 436 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: shape is you're framing? Do you run into those. 437 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 3: Questions almost every day? 438 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: Really? Okay? 439 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, so a lot of people think, oh, my deck's 440 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 5: been here fifteen twenty years, the framing is good, We're 441 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 5: just gonna we want to replace it with some positive decking. 442 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 5: And you know, when you remove those boards, you're gonna 443 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 5: leave thousands of holes in there so water can get 444 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 5: in there and create raw. A lot of times it's 445 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 5: best to just you know, redo the framing. If your 446 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 5: deck's over you know, let's say five or ten years old, 447 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 5: you know, you want to make sure that that frame 448 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 5: is going to last. You don't want to put decking 449 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: that has a fifty year warranty on a frame that 450 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 5: might last another ten more. That could be a really 451 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 5: expensive mistake. So it's always best to have a professional 452 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 5: out to take a look at it. Coach change as well, 453 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 5: you know, every few years coach. 454 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Change, so. 455 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 5: It's not as easy as just swapping it out, putting 456 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 5: new deck down, because you know you're going to see 457 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 5: all those imperfections that might have you might not have 458 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 5: seen from like wood wood decking, right, So sometimes it's 459 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 5: better to just to start with wood woods. You know, 460 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 5: probably the least expensive thing on a deck. It's like 461 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 5: a foundation of the home, but it's the most important part, 462 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 5: you know. 463 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: Plus your composites they're not all load bearing, right, whereas 464 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: pressure treated is. I mean you might have twenty inch 465 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: center joice in a lot of cases, you can't do 466 00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: that with a. 467 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 5: Combined Yeah, you're right, Like if it was two by 468 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 5: six framing, I can't put composite decking on there because 469 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 5: our composite decking is only span for sixteen inches. So 470 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 5: it's very important for the spanning as well. So quite 471 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 5: a wavy deck. 472 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the types of decking, and a lot of 473 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: people know about pressure treat wood, and one thing they 474 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: know is there's a lot of maintenance in it. And 475 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: don't let anybody tell you there isn't a lot of maintenance. 476 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: There is a lot of maintenance. We talk about it 477 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: every weekend. But we're seeing a lot of different types 478 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: of composite decking. Now we see capped, we see non capped, 479 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: we see I'm not going to say heat proof but 480 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: doesn't absorb as much heat, so that that appeals to 481 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: some people. We have some that have wood grains in it, 482 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: some don't have wood grains in it. Are those all 483 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: based on the expense of the deck or what what 484 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: should I be looking at if I start working with 485 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: a contractor even yourself. How do you pick the right 486 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: kind of decking? 487 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: Gary? 488 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 5: That is a great question, and there's so many different 489 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 5: decking options on the market it can be overwhelming. All 490 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 5: the different manufacturers typically are going to have like a good, better, best. 491 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 5: But what that means is basically price point scenario. Your 492 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 5: higher end deck boards are going to have more wood grains, 493 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 5: more color variations, and then your lower cost boards are 494 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 5: going to be more like uncapped at the bottom, not 495 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 5: fully encapsulated or less color options, more you know, less 496 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 5: wood grain. For your lower cost options, there's gonna be 497 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 5: products out there that have that's made with PVC. Your 498 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 5: higher end ones are going to be made with like 499 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 5: mineral based and then you know, some of your middle 500 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 5: to lower cost ones are gonna be like wood plastic, 501 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 5: so it's basically fall plastic like recycled material with a 502 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 5: PVC coding. Those are going to be your more economical ones, 503 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 5: and those do absorb heat, and that's what you're and 504 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 5: that's basically what you're paying for, is the you know, 505 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 5: the performance of it. Some of them are gonna get hotter. 506 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 5: Your lower cost deck boards are gonna get a little 507 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 5: bit hotter, They're going to scuff up a little bit easier. 508 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: Your higher end boards are going to be more heat resistance, 509 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 5: more color like color variations in the boards. Sure, a 510 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 5: lot of times it comes down to what you want 511 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 5: to spend and kind of what your personal preference is too. 512 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 5: If you're going to have a roof over a deck, 513 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 5: maybe you don't need all the higher end characteristics of 514 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 5: some of the more costly boards. But a lot of 515 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 5: times it comes down to color too. 516 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and positioning, right, I mean the positioning of the 517 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: deck and the initial building phase may come in with. 518 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 5: Temperature absolutely, So Yeah, if you're going to have your 519 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 5: deck exposed to you know, direct sun all day long, 520 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 5: going with a wood plastic composite, it would be really 521 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 5: uh hot, to say the least in the you know, 522 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 5: in the evening time, where your mineral based deck boards 523 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 5: are going to dissipate heat a lot faster. They all 524 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 5: get hot. But the difference is with the mineral based 525 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 5: composite deck boards is that they dissipate heat a lot faster, 526 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 5: so by like six seven o'clock, it's a lot cooler, 527 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 5: or some of the wood plastics stay hotter for a 528 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 5: lot longer. 529 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So when you're you talked about the base the frame, 530 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: when you're kind of looking at that and you're talking about, 531 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, a high end maybe a six figure deck, 532 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: tell me about my options. I remember when Treks rolled 533 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: out the first one, I think it was a steel 534 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: framing and then you said aluminum in composits on that. Now. 535 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they have Owen's Corning makes a composite lumber. 536 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 5: You do have to be careful with span. It doesn't 537 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 5: span as stars like your steel in your wood. So 538 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 5: they have composite framing out now they're steel framing tracks 539 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 5: and fortress they have steel framing options. And then you 540 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 5: also have aluminum as really coming into the market now. 541 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 5: And you know, so there's some great alternative framing options 542 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 5: that if you don't ever want to have to deal 543 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 5: with rod again, you don't have to. 544 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, I'll tell you what one thing everybody know 545 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: that has a deck, an older deck, an old you know, 546 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: press tree deck that's ten, fifteen, twenty years old. They 547 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: don't like it. They do want to get rid of it. 548 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: So if I can keep you for about ten minutes more, 549 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: can we take a break in that look to come 550 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: back and let's inspect an older deck. Things we should 551 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: look for. Does that sound fair? Sounds fair? All right? 552 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: Joe Hagen, he's the president of a company called all 553 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: decked Out. He is our decking expert. We'll continue our 554 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: conversation with Joe. 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And is there also 600 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: a website where people can get ideas and just some 601 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: information and maybe you have that on your website or 602 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: maybe there's another website people can go to. 603 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely have a lot of pictures on our 604 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 5: website and our social media and to get ideas. A 605 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 5: lot of times you can just google different pictures. They're 606 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 5: gonna get some ideas of what you're. 607 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:20,959 Speaker 1: Thinking about doing. 608 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 5: But looking at different deck builders website or gallery, you 609 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,959 Speaker 5: can definitely get a lot of ideas and inspiration from there. 610 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: Okay, what's your website. 611 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 5: It's www. Dot alldecked out five to one three dot. 612 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: Com very good, So folks, you can take a look 613 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: at that, all right. A lot of people with the 614 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: old decks I was telling, you know, talking about that 615 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: and old decks, meaning it could be any generation of 616 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: pressure treated wood from CCA to AQM, on and on 617 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: and on and on and every now and then in 618 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: the news. In fact, in our city, it wasn't a deck. 619 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: It was just a little balcony. You hear about problems 620 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: where they collapse and you know, too many people on here, 621 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: or wasn't built properly, And so walk me through. If 622 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: I have an old deck on the back end of 623 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: my house, it's it's not the greatest maintained deck in 624 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: the world. And what can I do to just inspect 625 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: it just to kind of get an idea is this thing? 626 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about a collapse and though that 627 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: could be one, but is it safe? I mean there's nails, 628 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: there's splinters, and what things is there? And corrosion? What things? 629 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: And where would I inspect an old wood deck? 630 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 5: Yes, And that is a very important topic. I feel like, 631 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 5: you know, a lot of people get a false sense 632 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 5: of security walking on a deck. I honestly think it's 633 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 5: best to hire a deck professional to come out to 634 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 5: an inspection, you know, after your deck's like five or ten, 635 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 5: maybe like ten years old, maybe every few years, hire 636 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 5: a deck professional. I think the city a lot of 637 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 5: times does free inspections as well. You know, most homeowners 638 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 5: don't build their you know, build decks for a living, 639 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 5: so they don't really know what to look for. And 640 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 5: you know, there are resources and there are companies out 641 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 5: there that will inspect the deck. And I feel like 642 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 5: that's a very important thing to do. As far as 643 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 5: like what the most important features are on a deck, 644 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 5: I would say the attachment to the house number one, 645 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 5: because a lot of times we pull decks off to 646 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 5: build a brand new one and realize there's a lot 647 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 5: of rot going on because you know, whoever book the 648 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 5: original deck didn't install proper flashing, and you know, water 649 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 5: is the enemy really with these products if it starts 650 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 5: breaking down and rocks, because you need airflow too, So 651 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 5: it's like you have water and if it doesn't get 652 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 5: the proper airflow that it needs, it's going to accelerate 653 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 5: rot and that's where it can be dangerous. Hardware if 654 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 5: it rusts, you know, those can fail as well. So 655 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 5: a lot of things to look at. I'm not as concerned. 656 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 5: A lot of people get worried about, like their post 657 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 5: cracking or have a vertical cracker split. We call that 658 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 5: check and I'm not as worried about that. It's actually 659 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 5: very common and normal. But if you see a horizontal 660 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 5: horizontal crack, that could be a load issue. So that's 661 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 5: probably one of the biggest things that people ask me about, 662 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 5: you know, as a structure. Okay, because I see cracks 663 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 5: in the wood and you know that's normal, but you know, 664 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 5: all in all, I would say it's best to have 665 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 5: a professional look at the deck, you know, and I 666 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 5: think many of the cities will even do that for free. 667 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: One question I have because I get asked the question 668 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: a lot, and you're right. I mean, a homeowner, unless 669 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: they're very trained and you're going to tackle one of 670 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: these big decks. It's no place for you. If you're 671 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: going to have a little deck maybe and you know 672 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: what you're doing, that's fine. How are posts treated with 673 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 1: decks now, I mean they in ground on above ground? 674 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: I get asked that question a bunch. 675 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, they put a lot of chemicals in it now 676 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 5: for ground compact, you know, like the treatment goes that 677 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 5: goes into it's treated for ground contact. But you still 678 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 5: want to, you know, add extra layer protection. We actually 679 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 5: use a coating around the base of it, almost like 680 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 5: a rubber coating. Or it's better to put it on 681 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 5: tier style footers where it's not really touching the ground. 682 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 5: You know, there's there's pros and cons to both. 683 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: But the wood that you use is. 684 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 5: Definitely critical as well. Like even the framing of the 685 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 5: decks we use, it's rated for ground contact, even though 686 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 5: we use it above ground, so added layer of protection. 687 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 1: I tell everybody there's only one kind of pressure treated wood, 688 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: and that's ground contact. Yeah, don't save a few dollars. 689 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: Don't save a few dollars, Yeah, exactly, all right. I'm 690 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: just trying to so what's it. I don't want to 691 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: ask what a price range is because I'm going to 692 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: guess a price range for a deck, and there's all 693 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: different sizes and styles. It could be fifty it could 694 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: be one hundred and fifty thousand, and you've probably bought 695 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: the build even more expensive ones. Is that true? That 696 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: is true? Yeah, yeah, I mean the price varies. 697 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 5: I mean it really just depends on the materials. You 698 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 5: can do it if your budget conscience, so you can 699 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 5: do it for you know, a good value, but it 700 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 5: is a large investment, and that's why sometimes it is 701 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 5: better to just leave it up to the pros, you know, 702 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 5: versus doing it yourself, because mistakes are very costly if 703 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 5: the materials is expensive. 704 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably my final question to you will be when 705 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at decking and you're talking to a contractor 706 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: and you're educating them, warranty on that decking is important. 707 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: Also people are worried about it fading, scratching, peeling, whatever 708 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: the case may be. What is a good warranty for 709 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 1: a composite decking? Now? 710 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, most almost industry standards is going to be twenty 711 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 5: five years to fifty years on the warranty. And a 712 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 5: lot of these companies now are offering because now they're 713 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 5: kind of competing with each other on a warranty would 714 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 5: be to offer a labor warranty associated with it. I 715 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 5: think that's very important that you know, if you're going 716 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 5: to have a deck of that, and you know that 717 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 5: kind of investment, you want to make sure if anything happens, 718 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 5: they don't just give you out. You know, put out 719 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 5: new decking on your driveway and then you have to 720 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 5: reinstall it. A good company that really backs their product's 721 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 5: going to pay for that to be you know, installed. 722 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: Right, and there's an element of comfort. I mean, you're 723 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: making a sizeable investment in your home. You're enlarging your house. 724 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: Outdoor living is the thing, and you want it to 725 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: be there as long as you're there. So I totally 726 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: agree with you. Joe, thank you so much for joining 727 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: us today. I appreciate it. It was a pleasure. Thank you. Gary. 728 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: All Right, it's all decked out five one three dot com. 729 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: If you want to take a look at some of 730 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: Joe's work. 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