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Speaker 2: one o'clock. Your talkbacks will follow that. We have everything

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Speaker 2: to get to today, from college football to the National

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Speaker 2: Football League, to some Cincinnati Reds, college basketball and so

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Speaker 2: much more. Really can't start anywhere else today. Then last night,

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Speaker 2: the national champion has been crowned. In college football. The

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Speaker 2: Indiana Hoosiers complete their perfect season sixteen to zero go

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Hoosiers, led by Kurt Signetti, they beat Miami

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Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty one. It was a awesome game. It

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Speaker 2: was even more an awesome second half. Indiana blanked Miami

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Speaker 2: in the first half ten nothing before a second half

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Speaker 2: which saw Miami put twenty one points on the board.

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Speaker 2: Indiana puts seventeen points on the board. Indiana hangs on

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Speaker 2: to win after a late Carson Beck interception as Miami

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Speaker 2: was driving to potentially win the game, the only turnover

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Speaker 2: of the game. Imagine not because I saw the statistic

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Speaker 2: today that Indiana just one time this year, it was

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Speaker 2: on their first game in the first half. Since then,

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Speaker 2: not a fumble lost for the Indiana Hoosiers. They don't

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Speaker 2: beat themselves. It is I think the best college football

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Speaker 2: story we've seen. I think it's the best, one of

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Speaker 2: the best sports stories that we'll see. I'll ask you

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Speaker 2: today what are some of the other sports stories that

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Speaker 2: that will rival as we talk about this Indiana season

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Speaker 2: for a long time to come, and when you talk

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Speaker 2: about the Indiana season, It's not hard to talk about

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Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza either, the season that he put together, the

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Speaker 2: way in which he absorbed hits. Last night, Miami obviously

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Speaker 2: wanted to be very physical with him at the start

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Speaker 2: of the game. He answered that his quarterback draw on

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Speaker 2: fourth and five with about nine minutes left in the

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Speaker 2: game was incredible. Signetti went for it twice on fourth down,

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Speaker 2: well in field goal range. So they rolled the dice.

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Speaker 2: They allowed Fernando Mendoza to do what he's done all

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Speaker 2: year and what I believe again one of the best

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Speaker 2: team sports stories you'll ever see. Because it's not a

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Speaker 2: roster littered with five stars. I think it's a roster

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Speaker 2: that gives a lot of football teams in today's college

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Speaker 2: football world. Hope that was the thing I thought of

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Speaker 2: last night. Here's a team in Indiana who go back

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Speaker 2: two years from now. Two years ago, you would not

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Speaker 2: have convinced anyone that Indiana would be ready to win

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Speaker 2: a national title as quick as they did. It goes

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Speaker 2: to show that if you can get the right coach,

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Speaker 2: you can identify the right talent, and you can find

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Speaker 2: a way in today's college football to get everyone pushing

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Speaker 2: in the same direction, because that's what Indiana had. They

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Speaker 2: don't penalize a lot, they turn the ball over. Don't

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Speaker 2: turn it over. They played together. It is as true

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Speaker 2: in the National Title. Again, the ability to not turn

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Speaker 2: And again, not the most athletic roster in college football,

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Speaker 2: blue bloods Alabama and Oregon. They dominated those teams en

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Speaker 2: route to a perfect season. They won three bowl games

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Speaker 2: by all accounts and unbelievable. Is it to you, Austin,

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I got to ask you because

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Speaker 2: I still haven't come back from Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Wondered, just making sure you're you're not under the weather

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Speaker 3: I mean I think it's up there with some of

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Speaker 3: that you just outlined, the way that they never flinched,

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Speaker 3: And that was my biggest thing going into this week,

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Speaker 3: he just keeps coming back, he keeps getting up. And

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Speaker 3: you know, you heard Kurt Signetti going into halftime very

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Speaker 3: unhappy with what he believed were three missed call that

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Speaker 3: should have been personal fouls against Fernando Mendoz, including one

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Speaker 3: that was clearly a penalty up under his face mask

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Speaker 3: bit for him to Yeah, maybe he wavered for a

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Speaker 3: was awesome. And the fearlessness of that call to call

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Speaker 3: the quarterback draw was unbelievable. And putting his body on

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Speaker 3: the line, that just kind of is indicative of that

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Speaker 3: entire team, Like that's their mentality. They're not afraid that

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Speaker 3: you can hit them. They'll swing back, and it really

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Speaker 3: is one of the coolest stories in the history of sports,

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Speaker 3: not just college football, but in the history of sports.

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Speaker 2: I think so as well. And you know you mentioned

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Speaker 2: not wavering. There were times in the second half where

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Speaker 2: it felt like they'd been pushed in ways they hadn't

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Speaker 2: been pushed this year. Sure, I mean Miami. Hats off

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Speaker 2: to Miami as well. That is a physical brand that

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Speaker 2: look ahead and watching a guy like Ruben Bain last

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Speaker 2: night and think, man, if you could get him at ten,

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Speaker 2: that's what stood out to me as well, Austin, Like,

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Speaker 2: you watch that game last night and yes, Tony at

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Speaker 2: And it was hard to watch that game last night

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Speaker 3: Think there's a lot of guys from both sides that

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Speaker 3: the defensive backs. I thought they were really good for

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Speaker 3: both teams. I do think the officials really let them play. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and maybe too much at times, because there was some holding,

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Speaker 3: there was some pass interference, there was some content that

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Speaker 3: physicality in the past game, which obviously matched what was

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Speaker 3: story of the game, and obviously the way that Indiana

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Speaker 3: craziest thing about this to me personally, Jamari Sharp is

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Speaker 3: the nephew of the Miami player who was called for

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Speaker 3: pass interference against Ohio State in the two thousand and

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Speaker 3: two National championship, so he kind of gets one back

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Speaker 3: for the Sharp family with the ability to intercept that pass.

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Speaker 3: It was cool, man, really good game, really fun, really entertaining.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was unique. Oh because I'm listening to

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Speaker 2: the broadcast in the first half, and you would have

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Speaker 2: thought Indiana was up like twenty four the way Fowler

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Speaker 2: kept saying, you know, you would have thought it was

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Speaker 2: a bloodbath. I'm like, man, Miami's only down ten and

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Speaker 2: they made that the stole up in the run in

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Indiana falls apart. And to your point, they've

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Speaker 2: they've just not done that, so I think, and I've

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Speaker 2: had people say this as well. How about just the

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Speaker 2: football weekend we witnessed, I mean awesome NFL games that

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Speaker 2: come down to the wire, an awesome college football national

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Speaker 2: championship game. The only thing I'll ask, and I know

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Speaker 2: we've talked about this. I saw this today. A year

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Speaker 2: from now, this national Championship is going to be played

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Speaker 2: a week later in Vegas? Did I see that right?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I can't figure out the calendar. Why and

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Speaker 3: I don't know what is true and what's and hot?

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Speaker 2: Why push it back another week. I just don't understand

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Speaker 2: that with the scheduling, and I mean, we're not getting

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Speaker 2: an expanded playoff next year, I would imagine.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's by maybe by this Friday that

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Speaker 3: they have to determine whether or not there will be

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Speaker 3: an expanded playoff. But from what I have seen, so

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Speaker 3: it will be January twenty fifth in Las Vegas is

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six National Championship, which would mean that

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Speaker 3: the quarterfinals are still on January first, So two weeks

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know this stuff happens, and folks already start

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Speaker 2: to look at next season. I think the most of

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Speaker 2: the places I've seen Austin have Indiana and Ohio State

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Speaker 2: kind of near the top.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, according to DraftKings, it is Indiana and Ohio State

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Speaker 3: with the tied for the best odds to win the

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Speaker 2: Other teams that I expect to be still in the

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Speaker 2: mix Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia, Oregon.

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Speaker 3: How do you how do you think the SEC fields

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Speaker 3: about another Big ten school winning the national championship. Now

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Speaker 3: technically it's three straight, but the first one the team

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Speaker 3: was cheating, so I don't really count that one. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it has been quite a while since, you know, now

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Speaker 3: three whole seasons since we've seen.

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Speaker 2: You say that has passed. How could you not I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, I guess I could say that.

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Speaker 5: But like.

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Speaker 3: Everybody wants to to bring up N I L and

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Speaker 3: the fact that, okay, now that it's a level playing field,

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Speaker 3: everybody can pay their players, the SEC has kind of

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Speaker 3: come back to the pack. And I said from the

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Speaker 3: very beginning, I think that this will make that conference tougher,

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Speaker 3: like individually, and those teams will beat up on one another,

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Speaker 3: and that will not mean as much moving forward, Like

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Speaker 3: that won't mean. What I'm trying to say, I think

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Speaker 3: is that those teams won't last as long into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: And I think we've seen that, Like the Big Ten

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Speaker 3: is still very top heavy. It's Indiana, it's Ohio State,

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Speaker 3: Michigan wasn't that good this year. Michigan State still nowhere

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Speaker 3: to be found. USC and UCLA are completely useless. Like

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Speaker 3: there's there's really not many good teams in the Big

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Speaker 3: Ten still and so you know, the SEC is no

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Speaker 3: longer top heavy, especially now that Texas and Oklahoma have

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Speaker 3: You're telling me flabbergasted or flabbergasted or in Joe's case, flabbergas. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Okay, the Bearcats.

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Speaker 3: We did, We did talk net rankings yesterday. I'm not

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Speaker 2: Bit crawling back, aren't you? Yeah? Baby?

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about an incredible sports story? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting excited. I'm ready to go. Man walls not bubbles.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's have ourselves at Tuesday. Phone lines are

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Speaker 5: Now here's your chance to.

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Speaker 2: He was on the goal line, so had the.

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Speaker 8: Lunch fort He did, and the celebration begins. Kurt Signetti

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Speaker 2: Sean McDonough on the call, That's how it sounded when

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Speaker 11: It was quite a spectacle and quite an accomplishment by

436
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Speaker 11: Indiana when you think about it, what they've.

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Speaker 10: Done up until two years ago.

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Speaker 11: Guys, they were the worst program in major college football history.

439
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Speaker 11: They had like no history. I'm trying to think back.

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Speaker 11: I think Antoine randall Ell is the most famous player

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Speaker 11: to come out of Indiana. Maybe I'm wrong, but he

442
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Speaker 11: came out, you know, twenty years ago. It would be

443
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Speaker 11: like Penn State winning the NCAA Men's basketball tournament, Like

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Speaker 11: a team with no background or history coming through with

445
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Speaker 11: all that stuff. As far as some other stuff too.

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Speaker 11: You were talking about the most dominant team in the

447
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Speaker 11: twenty first century, and I actually put a poll out there.

448
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Speaker 11: I'd say, oh one Miami Hurricanes nineteen LSU and I

449
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Speaker 11: took this Indiana team in there because it's current.

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Speaker 2: My vote.

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Speaker 11: As much as I loved Joe Borrow, Jamar Chase and

452
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Speaker 11: Justin Jefferson, and they were just like a pleasure to watch.

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Speaker 11: That all one Miami Hurricane team was loaded. I think

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Speaker 11: they had nineteen players who were drafted in the first,

455
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Speaker 11: second or third round playing on that team at a

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Speaker 11: given time. So that would have been quite a matchup

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Speaker 11: to A one Hurricanes against the nineteen LA shoot Tigers.

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Speaker 10: You know that would have been interesting.

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Speaker 11: As far as Borrow, I love this sweet and I

460
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Speaker 11: love the fact that he uses big words and some

461
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Speaker 11: people don't know what they are. I think in one

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Speaker 11: of his press conferences a few weeks ago, use tertiary,

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Speaker 11: which is great. And that leads me to my next point.

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Speaker 11: If Dan Pitchery moves on, they've got to reach out

465
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Speaker 11: to Mike McDaniel to be their offensive coordinator. You have

466
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Speaker 11: the brightest player and the brightest coach working.

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Speaker 10: Together for million game plans.

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Speaker 11: That would be it a hoop to see those two

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Speaker 11: guys working together. I think that would be absolutely awesome.

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Speaker 11: I just want to run this party too. Also as

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Speaker 11: far as the playoffs, and I thought we saw some

472
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Speaker 11: wonky stuff this weekend because some teams didn't have as

473
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Speaker 11: much time as the other team to prepare what I

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Speaker 11: would do going for and I kind of touched on

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Speaker 11: it last week and I expand on it. In a

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Speaker 11: given year on Saturday, have the three AFC Wildcard games, yep,

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Speaker 11: then you know Saturday night what the divisional round is

478
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Speaker 11: going to look like. You announce those games, they play

479
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Speaker 11: the following Saturday. Sunday, you have the NFC Wildcard games

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Speaker 11: the three winners, with the team that received the buy

481
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Speaker 11: plays the following Sunday. So you split it up that way,

482
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Speaker 11: so everybody has a week off except obviously for the

483
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Speaker 11: teams that earned the buy. And one more twist I

484
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Speaker 11: would throw into it, guys, is on Saturday. The following week,

485
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Speaker 11: I'd have the AFC Championship game Sunday the NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 11: Give them their own day. How many times have we've

487
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Speaker 11: been watching a conference championship game? We go back to

488
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Speaker 11: ninety eight with the Vikings and the Falcons, or fourteen

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Speaker 11: with the Patriots and Colts. That goes into overtime Packers

490
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Speaker 11: and Seahawks. We saw even in this week with the Bills,

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Speaker 11: and all of a sudden you kind of like on

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Speaker 11: this game and now you're waiting for the next game,

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Speaker 11: and they kind of, you know, scramble each other. So

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Speaker 11: I would give each conference its own.

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Speaker 2: Day Saturday for the AFX.

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Speaker 11: Year, NFC Saturday, and then you flip them from mere

497
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Speaker 11: the year so it's not stagnant. I just think that

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Speaker 11: that would potentially because Boomer size and on radio yesterday

499
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Speaker 11: was saying that he had heard and again we're all

500
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Speaker 11: sports talk radio guys, but that they wanted to get

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Speaker 11: through that Buffalo game to get to the forty nine

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Speaker 11: ers Seahawks game. That I mean that that catch no

503
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Speaker 11: catch should have been explored a little bit more than

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Speaker 11: it was.

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Speaker 10: Yep, and I agree, and it wasn't. So so all

506
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Speaker 10: of that stuff I think could be quality.

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Speaker 11: Again, you lose the Monday night football game, but so

508
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Speaker 11: what that that's not been really a joy to watch

509
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Speaker 11: this year.

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Speaker 10: Guys, thanks so much for hearing me blow V eight

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Speaker 10: and I'll talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Soon, like you, John, appreciate you. Yeah, it's Look, there

513
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Speaker 2: was a lot made about the rest time and the travel.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what, it wouldn't matter to San

515
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Speaker 2: Francisco got two more days to rest. They're not gonnay,

516
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Speaker 2: weren't gonna beat Seattle. Yeah, that's just an absolute mismatch.

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Speaker 3: So just we don't need to touch the NFL schedule. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's fine.

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Speaker 2: There are things about it I could see, and I

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Speaker 2: think it would make more sense to do AFC on

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Speaker 2: one day and NFC on the other. No, just because

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Speaker 2: you're like that that it's it's perfect now if that's

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Speaker 2: not perfect, Yes it is. The Niners had one less

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Speaker 2: day and they had to travel across the couch.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the scheduling, the way they scheduled them, that was

526
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Speaker 3: bad for them, But who cares?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just do AFC and NFC. No, you won't have

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Speaker 2: to worry abot it each conference.

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Speaker 3: On day they should have just put them on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Each conference gets their own day.

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Speaker 3: No, all right, that's how it is in the wild

532
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Speaker 3: card round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not in the divisional round. No catch, no catch.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that. Perfect injured quarterbacks, we could talk

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 12: C J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud, Josh Allen by Caleb Boy what who is Caleb Williams?

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Speaker 2: That We'll get to that question as well, because he

539
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Speaker 2: only completes about fifty percent of the passes, but those

540
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Speaker 2: fifty percent are unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen him play like I saw from Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: We uh, we have, and I will say, and it's

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Speaker 2: not talked about as much. The throw that Stafford made

544
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Speaker 2: coming back across the field to DeVante Adams equally as impressive,

545
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Speaker 2: not as flashy, unbelievable throw and catch. Uh to to

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Speaker 2: continue and give them a chance. So we've we've literally

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Speaker 2: we got so much to get to round out a

548
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Speaker 2: couple of these phone calls, and we get back, got

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Speaker 2: to touch on some UC basketball. Since he three to

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Speaker 2: sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati s Station from Locker.

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: you know. Austin, I'm eagerly awaiting the weather reports coming

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Speaker 2: out for this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why do you care so much about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, there are like reports that we see no snowfall.

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Speaker 2: There are reports that it's like a half inch, and

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Speaker 2: then there are reports that like ten to twelve inches

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Speaker 2: of snow are coming. Ten to twelve Yeah, I mean that's.

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Speaker 3: All plans this weekend or something.

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Speaker 2: It's all over the map. I don't know. Weekends are

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Speaker 2: always nice, Like right now on my phone, my phone

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Speaker 2: tells me that like Saturday and Sunday, one to three

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Speaker 2: inches Saturday and then on Sunday another five to seven.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a significant snowfall possibility.

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Speaker 3: One to three is significant, Yeah, I mean that's a lot.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And on top of that, yeah, you know that's too

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Speaker 3: much frigid tempts, that's too much.

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Speaker 2: This is the type of cold like things just stop

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Speaker 2: working on a normal basis. Things in the house. You

575
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Speaker 2: gotta let the water drip, cars don't start properly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worried about my car. Yeah, worried about my car.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 2: A couple more phone calls here, we'll talk from UC

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Speaker 2: basketball as we continue. Mike, what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Hey, thanks, man, I appreciate you to let me on.

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Speaker 6: Do you have a good weekend?

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Speaker 2: Low key? Not bad, Mike, not bad kinds.

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Speaker 6: Of football that was that was the good thing. All

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Speaker 6: the games were good, except the Seattle games. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: but you almost you almost knew that was gonna happen

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Speaker 6: because for San Francisco, they just got the they got

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Speaker 6: the uh it looks like a mash hospital.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, the injuries, the injuries finally caught up to

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Speaker 2: San Francisco.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was really it's inevitable. So anyway, the throw

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Speaker 6: by Caleb was unbelievable, as everybody knows, but you're right.

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Speaker 6: The throw that Stafford, like he's described it perfectly Tony,

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Speaker 6: it wasn't as flashy, but boy, it was a heck.

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Speaker 2: Of the throw across a opposite hash across the field,

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Speaker 2: a timing route where the balls out before DeVante Adams

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Speaker 2: is out of his break, and to thread the needle

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Speaker 2: around the defense like he did, and at that point

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Speaker 2: in the game where he what I think is hard.

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Speaker 2: There are times you just don't feel like you have

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Speaker 2: it as a quarterback, and I think Stafford went through

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Speaker 2: a little bit of that. He just wasn't as sharp

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Speaker 2: as he normally is. To be able to stay with

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Speaker 2: it and then make that throw in that moment is incredible.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought. And then DeVante did his thing too

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Speaker 6: because that cole didn't bother him playing in Green Bay

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Speaker 6: and they blew that whole thing with Stanfford out of before.

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Speaker 6: Well he's never played in the Colt Come on, man,

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Speaker 6: he was in the a NFC North for turning years

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Speaker 6: or something. I keep talking about the Uh do you

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Speaker 6: think Stidham can get the job done for New England.

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Speaker 2: For I don't know. I still you give Denver a

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Speaker 2: chance because of their defense, but The only thing with

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Speaker 2: Denver to me that that I question when a quarterback

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Speaker 2: goes down, you'd like to be able to rely on

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Speaker 2: your running game, and they've just not been able to

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Speaker 2: run the ball consistently. That's what I worry about. If

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Speaker 2: it was Stidham in a very good running attack, then yes,

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Speaker 2: but they've not been able to run the ball consistently enough.

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Speaker 2: I feel like to be able to take any pressure

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Speaker 2: off stid them.

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Speaker 6: You know what, I didn't realize see Tony till the

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Speaker 6: other day. I mean I heard in New England I

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Speaker 6: spent you know, some bucks on the free agency. Was

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Speaker 6: they had a good draft, but they spent more than

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Speaker 6: anybody on free agency. I sent three and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were very active in free agency.

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Speaker 6: That's a lot of that. They said. That was the

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Speaker 6: most anybody spent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of moves that were like not

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Speaker 2: top of dollar, but just every move they made. You're like, man,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a good move, that's smart, that makes sense,

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Speaker 2: and those just add up.

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Speaker 6: That's what you were saying sometimes instead of just the

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Speaker 6: best answer. But he our system yep, yeah, gotcha. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: because you're I don't know about that one Reds and

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Speaker 6: one Bearcats comment I told you had yesterday. You know,

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Speaker 6: he's going on about the Reds. We all, do they

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Speaker 6: need a power hitter? They need a couple of power

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Speaker 6: hitter bro. But when I looked up total runs per game,

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Speaker 6: the Reds are ranked fourteenth brother four point four to

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Speaker 6: two per game. The only three teams over five per

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Speaker 6: game were the Yankees, Dodgers, and Blue Jays, and the

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Speaker 6: Reds are fourteenth. That's not horrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Austin, MO was a game they scored

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Speaker 2: what twenty some runs last year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, against Balta.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, I think that stat got screwed a

648
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Speaker 2: little bit because they had a handful of games where

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Speaker 2: they just scored a ton, but on a consistent level

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Speaker 2: that they didn't score enough.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I was just shocked when I saw that. I

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Speaker 6: thought it was going to be twenty sixth or twenty

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Speaker 6: seventh or something. So it's surprising. And I'm really after

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Speaker 6: that great performance the Bearcats had the other day against

655
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Speaker 6: the Cyclones. If the Arizona team just yeah, way better

656
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Speaker 6: than Iowa State. And I'm afraid Tommy Lloyd's going to

657
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Speaker 6: spank West Miller and put him to bed.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just hoping at this point that, you know,

659
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: eighteen in a row for Arizona, maybe they're due for

660
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: an off night. But it's a hard task for the Bearcats.

661
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Speaker 2: The only thing I see is Arizona doesn't get many

662
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: of their points from the three point line. They actually

663
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 2: get more from the foul line than they do per game.

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Speaker 2: At the three point line, you see normally struggles with

665
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Speaker 2: teams that shoot it well. So maybe maybe they ride

666
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Speaker 2: that confidence and what a story it would be. But

667
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Speaker 2: I agree, it's a completely different animal than what they

668
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Speaker 2: had on Saturday.

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Speaker 6: And like Chad said, they play ten guys and you

670
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 6: can't even tell the difference when they swap guys in

671
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Speaker 6: and out. Plus they're fifth in the nation and off

672
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Speaker 6: defensive rebounding and sevens in detail.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, rebounding.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they get the class. Yep, all right, yep, have

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Speaker 2: a bill, Uh Bruce, what's happening?

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Speaker 6: Hi?

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Speaker 10: How are you good?

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Speaker 2: How are you good?

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Speaker 4: I just have a quick question. Then I will be

680
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 4: the first to admit I am not a UC Bearcat fan. Okay,

681
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Speaker 4: are they going to be fine for storming the court?

682
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Speaker 2: I think that that is conference relegated. I think that

683
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: each conference has its own set of rules. I think

684
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Speaker 2: that there is a safety component that colleges have to

685
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Speaker 2: follow that as long as they do it in a

686
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: safe manner, you can kind of get around it. But

687
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Speaker 2: each each conference has different guidelines. Like I think someone

688
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: I think UCF a year or so ago storm the

689
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: court and was fined twenty five thousand dollars, while a SEC, Yeah,

690
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: an SEC team storm the court is fined I think

691
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Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars. So I think there are instances

692
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Speaker 2: where the safety of the other player is a is

693
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: a big component in that. But each conference has a structure,

694
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: Like the ACC doesn't actually have a fine structure. It's

695
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: up to the individual schools other conferences. It's based on

696
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: the safety protocols that have to be met.

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Speaker 4: All right, I have one last thing to ask you. Yeah, if,

698
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: by chance, by God, in a major miracle tomorrow night

699
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Speaker 4: in Arizona and you see wins, and I'm sure there's

700
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Speaker 4: not going to be many you see people out in Arizona,

701
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Speaker 4: are they going to do like the University of Kentucky

702
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 4: does and like burn couches in the middle of per center.

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Speaker 2: It might, it might very well be that moment. I

704
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: don't think. I don't know the last time that a

705
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Speaker 2: team in a week span has beat number one and

706
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Speaker 2: number two in the country. I don't even know if

707
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Speaker 2: that's been done before. So if it's ever been done,

708
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: then you might as well celebrate. Accordingly, Bruce, who's your

709
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: favorite team? Because you don't seem to like you see

710
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Speaker 2: your Kentucky.

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00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 4: No, I love Kentucky. Okay, I'm just saying that if

712
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: Kentucky does a mate has a big win, they usually

713
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Speaker 4: will burn couches in that to celebrate.

714
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Speaker 2: They should have done that on Saturday because that was

715
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Speaker 2: a big win against Tennessee.

716
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, their last three ones have been big wins

717
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: because they've come back from second half deficits. And the

718
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 4: what UK all to do is need to stay in

719
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Speaker 4: the locker room the first half, come out the second

720
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Speaker 4: half and see how they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, Bruce, Thanks for the phone call.

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Speaker 4: Not a problem now.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this Austin I have. I was on record

724
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Speaker 2: this year. I didn't really like the field storming. When

725
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: you see football one, I agree with that it's different,

726
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: and it was different on Saturday. It was the first

727
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: time that you see he had beat a top ten

728
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Speaker 2: team since twenty twelve. It was the first time Austin

729
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: that they got to win against a top two opponent

730
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: since nineteen sixty seven. That's a significant time span. Go

731
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Speaker 2: celebrate it. And for the most part, it was a

732
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: delayed court storming, Like the other team got off the

733
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Speaker 2: court and I thought they did it safely. But first

734
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Speaker 2: time since nineteen sixty seven a top two opponent. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with storm in the court. And I'm gonna

736
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Speaker 2: have to check if it's ever been done in a

737
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Speaker 2: week to beat number one and number two. My goodness,

738
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Speaker 2: I'll be getting excited about it. One more phone call here, Addison, what's.

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Speaker 14: Up, Hey, Tony, Hey Austin. So we got all these

740
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 14: coaching vacancies popping up, and if you ask me, they've

741
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 14: had excuse me, excuse me, they've had more success in

742
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 14: the past few years than Zach Taylor has.

743
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Speaker 15: What's it going to take for us to finally get

744
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 15: rid of this clown? As is just going to be

745
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 15: the end of his contract? Is it going to have

746
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 15: to be like a two win season.

747
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Speaker 14: I'm going to hang up and let you guys talk.

748
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Speaker 16: But it just feels so lousy watching all these openings

749
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 16: come up from just the failures of right now, and

750
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 16: we just keep getting more and more failures, and we

751
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 16: waste more and more talent.

752
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Speaker 15: So just wanted to get y'all's opinions.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Addison, thank you for the call. Let let's

754
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: do that. We'll talk bearcats as we get into the

755
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: third hour today, Austin, when we come back, let's talk

756
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: about what's going on in the NFL from these coaching

757
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: firings and the coaching hirings. And I know, and I

758
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: get it. I get that everyone like McDermott's fired, Everyone's like, well,

759
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: what are the Bengals doing? Hardball's fire? What are the

760
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: Bengals doing? Tomlin steps down? What are the Bengals? I

761
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: get it, and I get the optics of it and

762
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: how they look. But there has been a clear set

763
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 2: agenda that we've talked about on this show a lot

764
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: that continuity is important to the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: To answer his question, I don't think Zach Taylor will

766
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Speaker 3: be the head coach of the Bengals if they missed

767
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Speaker 3: the playoffs next year.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. And he said, what's a take.

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Speaker 2: I think it takes an offseason, like what we've seen.

770
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Speaker 2: I think it takes the team buying back in to

771
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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor, and if it doesn't change

772
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Speaker 2: next year, then a change has to be made.

773
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Speaker 3: I didn't agree with that as simple as if they

774
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Speaker 3: don't make the playoffs, he's out.

775
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Speaker 2: Let's keep that NFL coaching conversation going. When we return

776
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: to finish up our number one, Joe Danaman kicks off

777
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Speaker 2: our number two. All coming up next on the Home

778
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Speaker 2: of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome

779
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: back since three sixty thanks to Skyline Chile. I'm an

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Hour two coming up,

781
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: Joe Daniman your talkbacks and more. Hour three, we'll talk

782
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: some UC basketball. We'll low open up the phone lines again.

783
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Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. Let's finished

784
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: up the coaching conversation, and I think we got to

785
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Addison's question, and I think we're both in agreement. Austin,

786
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: what it would take for the Bengals to move on.

787
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: It would take them missing the playoffs next year, and

788
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: I do believe Zach Taylor would be out in Cincinnati

789
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 2: for other teams that was not the decision they were making.

790
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: Bengals have relied on continuity. Other teams are saying, no,

791
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: we're pulling the plug on that and we're going in

792
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: a different direction. And it's a weird field of coaching

793
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: openings because it does have teams that are at the

794
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel that need the reset, that need

795
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 2: the reboot. And it's also teams that you could argue

796
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: are close. You could argue Buffalo as close. You could

797
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: argue a team like the Baltimore Ravens are close. So

798
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: different coaches have been fired for different reasons. I thought

799
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: that McDermott was interesting. Austin. We didn't get a chance

800
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: to talk yesterday you and I about it, But I

801
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 2: don't think Buffalo's roster was built the right way around

802
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. I don't think they've done a go enough

803
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: job in the draft and in free agency. Josh Allen,

804
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: I think at times, and you look at the turnovers

805
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 2: that he had on Saturday, I think all of those

806
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: things add up that that, to me was a tough

807
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: spot for McDermott to get let go because there's a

808
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: lot of other circumstances around that organization that just aren't

809
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: clicking as well. That's a different scenario then. I think,

810
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: obviously the Tennessee Titans, who were just really bad and

811
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: needed clearly to go in a different direction.

812
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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I hear you one hundred percent. You know,

813
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: it had been nine years with McDermott and just not

814
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: enough success with Josh Allen, specifically in the playoffs oh

815
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: to seven in overtime with Josh Allen. I don't put

816
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: it all on the feet of Sean McDermott, and I

817
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: know that a lot of Buffalo fans are upset with

818
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean, who has drafted over fifty players since Josh Allen,

819
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: and I think there's been a grand total of two

820
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl appearances among them. That obviously is a major issue.

821
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 3: We've talked endlessly about their need for wide receivers. He's

822
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: messed up that position, their defensive line they've invested a

823
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: lot into and haven't been able to get very much

824
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: production out of their defense. Got old and then they

825
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: had to let him go, and they haven't really hit

826
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Speaker 3: on those picks either. So I do think that they're

827
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: just looking around saying, Okay, Sean's a good coach, but

828
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like he can get us over the

829
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: hump with the talent that we have, and we've seen

830
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: that at times over the course of the NFL. The

831
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: one that comes to mind with me is Tony Dungee

832
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: in Tampa, he leaves and John Gruden takes that team

833
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: over the hump, even to an extent, Mike Tomlin when

834
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: he took over for Bill Kauer. Bill Cower walked away

835
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: and obviously his wife was sick and all that, but

836
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin takes them over the top. Like we've seen

837
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 3: that happen before.

838
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Speaker 2: The thing with this time, is there a Mike Tomlin

839
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: or a Tony Dungee available right, you know?

840
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: And I you know, even with the Giants, it feels

841
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: like that's that's a rebuild that John Harball is going

842
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: to get to lead. And if you read any of

843
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: the details that came out about Oh my goodness, it

844
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 3: feels like he really is going to be the guy

845
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: taking the lead. Maybe Stefanski is the type of dude

846
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: that can can get you over the top if you're Atlanta,

847
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: gets you back into the postseason. I think Mike Rabel's

848
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: a good example of like just a complete culture builder.

849
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Speaker 3: But you know, many of these guys that have been

850
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: let go. We're culture builders, We're guys who had established

851
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 3: that and and just maybe it ran out.

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00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: One of the other things that I was thrown off

853
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: a little bit by the Buffalo thing. It's later in

854
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: the process, and that the candidates just don't seem that strong.

855
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: So did they have their guy in mind already that

856
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: they wanted. Latest on the head coaching search as Buffalo

857
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: is obviously a job that's still open. The Browns job

858
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: is still open, Arizona is still open. Miami has their

859
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: new head coach, Jeff Hafley from the Green Bay Packers.

860
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: I like what Atlanta did Stefanski and then they go

861
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: get Callahan back the coach the line look out for

862
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: Bjohn Robinson next year. The Giants got Harball. The Raiders

863
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: job is out there, The Baltimore Ravens job is still

864
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: out there. Pittsburgh job is still out there. The Tennessee

865
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: Titans have hired Robert Sala as their next head coach.

866
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: That is the latest on the coaching vacancies. We got

867
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Speaker 2: to get a break. Hour two is next. It'll get

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Speaker 2: kicked off with Joe Danaman right here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: Next Ucky, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Happy Tuesday, Happy Hour number two since he

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Speaker 2: three to sixty on the home of the Bengals, ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. It is Tuesday. It is

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Speaker 2: hour two, which means we get to talk to our

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Speaker 2: guy from Fox nineteen joining us right now. Joe Danaman,

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Speaker 2: Joey d what's up?

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Speaker 17: Tony Ndy Tondy and Audi E. What's up? Happy Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. Now that the service sounds pretty good. Are

881
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Speaker 2: you halfway at tucsonyette? Are you guys leaving later today?

882
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: When do you guys head to Arizona?

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Speaker 17: I head to Arizona next month for red yep, yep.

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Speaker 17: So there's my hands yet?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 17: Fight this book hotel is ready three days in the

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Speaker 17: sun to cover the Cincinnati Red next month. What an

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Speaker 17: opportunity for the Bearcats and west Miller on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 2: You ain't kidding. Opportunities all abound and unfortunately a lost opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I have to bring it up because I know it's

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Speaker 2: close to you. The Jimmy Butler news not great for

892
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Speaker 2: your Golden State Warriors or Steph Curry.

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Speaker 10: It's tough.

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Speaker 17: They were starting to play so well and they were

895
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Speaker 17: on the brink of moving their one tradable asset, Jonathan

896
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 17: Kaminga hopefully to get a three and D guy to

897
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Speaker 17: kind of complete what I thought could be a team

898
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Speaker 17: who could compete to go to the Western Conference Finals.

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Speaker 17: The shame of it is if you're a Steph fan

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Speaker 17: or a lebron fan, when they get near the end

901
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Speaker 17: of their career, when they just don't build around them

902
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 17: and give these generational players the tools they need to

903
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Speaker 17: compete for championships. That at another year of Steph Curry

904
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Speaker 17: nearing the end of his career where he has a

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Speaker 17: chance to compete for a title. I still think they

906
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Speaker 17: can be a threat to make the playoffs, but certainly

907
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Speaker 17: any idea of the Golden State Warriors and us getting

908
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 17: to watch Stepp play in huge games is now off

909
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Speaker 17: the table for this team to make a run of

910
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Speaker 17: the playoffs.

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Speaker 10: It's a shame.

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Speaker 17: I'm a little bit bummed today after seeing what happened

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Speaker 17: last night, a.

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Speaker 2: Huge game last night as well in the National Championship.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you what Indiana has done. It's

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Speaker 2: one of the most remarkable stories in the history of

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Speaker 2: sports and what Signetti did with not all the five

918
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Speaker 2: stars and being able in today's football or college sport

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Speaker 2: era to be able to put a roster like that

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Speaker 2: together and turn it around so quickly. Is that one

921
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Speaker 2: of those stories, Joe, in your opinion, that's just you

922
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Speaker 2: catch lightning in a bottle with Mendoza with the perfect coach.

923
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Speaker 2: Or does that set the groundwork for more teams that

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Speaker 2: are in the middle of the pack and in their

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Speaker 2: conferences to be able to go and actively pursue national championships.

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Speaker 17: The great question the day after Indiana's national championship win

927
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Speaker 17: is is this sustainable? Is this a model? They're going

928
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Speaker 17: to make a movie out of what Indiana did this year.

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Speaker 17: It's that great of a story, it's that unbelievable of

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Speaker 17: a story. But I think Kurt Signetti is kind of

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Speaker 17: the secret to the success of Indiana, and I don't

932
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Speaker 17: think it can be replicated by teams on their level,

933
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Speaker 17: so to speak, that aren't quote unquote the blue blood. Certainly,

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Speaker 17: there's going to be moments where teams pop up, they

935
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Speaker 17: find a guy like Kurt Signetti and this perfect storm

936
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Speaker 17: comes together where they become the best team in the

937
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Speaker 17: country and a deserved national champion. But to sit here

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Speaker 17: and say there are other teams that can replicate what

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Speaker 17: they did hard, It's threading a needle. It's one in

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Speaker 17: a million to combine both the backing of the financial

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Speaker 17: backers they had for the roster and then having the

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Speaker 17: right guy at head coach to do this.

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Speaker 6: And the other question.

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Speaker 17: Would be is it sustainable for Kurt Signetti in Indiana

945
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Speaker 17: going forward? I think people's I think I think the

946
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Speaker 17: knee jerk reaction would be, yeah, sure, look what he's done,

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Speaker 17: But is he going to get offers to leave Indiana? Now,

948
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Speaker 17: if you're an NFL team, are you calling for Kurt Signetti?

949
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Speaker 17: If you're the Pittsburgh Steelers and this is a guy

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Speaker 17: from Pittsburgh, are you making the call for Kurt Signetti

951
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Speaker 17: to make the jump to the NFL? You know, you

952
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Speaker 17: think back to the Gordon Hayward, Butler Brad Stevens days

953
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Speaker 17: and they made back to back final fours and really

954
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Speaker 17: haven't been heard from again in the National Championship conversation.

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Speaker 17: Now in the NIL era, it's a little bit different,

956
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Speaker 17: But is it going to be more of that? Is

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Speaker 17: it going to be that two year Hailey's comment of

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Speaker 17: what Indiana football has become and what they accomplished or

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Speaker 17: can it be sustainable? That to me is it is

960
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Speaker 17: a great question going forward, and I think the more

961
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Speaker 17: proper question because I don't think it's one of those

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Speaker 17: things that and you guys brought up the odds and

963
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Speaker 17: started looking around the other teams. Can this team do it?

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Speaker 17: Can this team, if they had the right money, do

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Speaker 17: it next year and catch lightning in a bottle? I

966
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Speaker 17: think it's the Kurt Signetti part of the equation that's

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Speaker 17: so hard to find, and just his temperament, his confidence,

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Speaker 17: even just his in game decision making last night was

969
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Speaker 17: so good that I think he's a big component in

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Speaker 17: what Indiana did, not just building it through nil in

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Speaker 17: older players. But I think the Kurt Signetti component is

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Speaker 17: so unique and so rare that I find it hard

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Speaker 17: to believe that we're going to see a lot of

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Speaker 17: stories like Indiana going forward, even though there is this

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Speaker 17: open marketplace of finding talent.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to watch that game last night and look

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Speaker 2: at a guy like Ruben Bain because I've been all

978
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Speaker 2: on the Caleb Downs journey up to this point, But

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Speaker 2: you watch a game like that, it reminds you if

980
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Speaker 2: you got that dominant piece on the defensive line of

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Speaker 2: your team. It is an absolute game changer, and it's

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Speaker 2: the most uncomfortable really anyone has made Indiana. Look, do

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Speaker 2: you view this upcoming draft? And I know there's so

984
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Speaker 2: much time between now and the draft, but it will

985
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Speaker 2: be here before we know what it always is. Are

986
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Speaker 2: you set in a path of you know if Caleb

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Speaker 2: Downs is there or if this player is there. How

988
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Speaker 2: do you view a top ten pick early on in

989
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Speaker 2: the process.

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Speaker 17: Well, the good thing is that you're trying to split

991
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Speaker 17: hairs between Ruben Baine and Caleb Downs. I would assume

992
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Speaker 17: that both aren't going to be on the board at

993
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Speaker 17: number ten. The Bengals will be lucky if one of

994
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Speaker 17: the two is on the board at number ten. They're

995
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Speaker 17: both that good. Now, you go back to Duke Tobin's

996
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Speaker 17: press conference and we sit here and try to dissect

997
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 17: what he said over sixty six minutes of questions and

998
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 17: not a lot of answers. The one thing that stood

999
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Speaker 17: out to me is how much he emphasized this team

1000
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Speaker 17: has to find a pass rush in two thousand twenty six,

1001
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Speaker 17: and we can all have PTSD from drafting Miles Murphy

1002
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Speaker 17: and drafting Shamar Stewart and these guys now showing signs

1003
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Speaker 17: and different growth timelines. Right of Miles Murphy, it took

1004
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Speaker 17: several years, but maybe he's here now, and maybe Shamar

1005
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Speaker 17: Stewart is kind of an incomplete draft pick because we

1006
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Speaker 17: haven't seen enough yet. But they haven't either been instant

1007
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 17: impact guys, and this is an instant impact season for

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Speaker 17: a lot of people in that building. The head coach,

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Speaker 17: maybe Duke Tobin, certainly Joe Burrow has put the organization

1010
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Speaker 17: on a clock, and who knows where his head will

1011
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 17: be if the Bengals don't find instant impact players on

1012
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Speaker 17: defense and have a better defense in twenty twenty six

1013
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Speaker 17: to get him back to the playoffs. So it's one

1014
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Speaker 17: of those things that listen. It's kind of a stock answer.

1015
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Speaker 17: You can't go wrong with either. But safety's not a

1016
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Speaker 17: premium position. It's just not. And Caleb Downs is not

1017
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Speaker 17: a playmaker. He's not Ed Reed, he's not Troy Polamalo,

1018
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 17: but he's also a guy that he's a plug and

1019
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 17: play player who makes your entire defense better if you

1020
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Speaker 17: go back and watch him. And I'm certain a lot

1021
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Speaker 17: of people who listen to this show are huge draft

1022
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Speaker 17: fans and will actually go on YouTube and look at

1023
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Speaker 17: players all twenty two. When you watch Caleb Downce play,

1024
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Speaker 17: it's a masterclass in professionalism. He's lined up correctly, he

1025
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Speaker 17: lines other people up correctly. He can play multiple positions.

1026
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Speaker 17: He's a Swiss army knife. He doesn't misstackles. He's got

1027
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Speaker 17: a bit of Mike Hilton in him in the run game,

1028
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Speaker 17: but he's also able to cover. He just doesn't make

1029
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Speaker 17: a ton of plays, and it's what you value at

1030
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Speaker 17: a number ten draft pick. It's just not a value

1031
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Speaker 17: position safety at number ten. And that's why I would

1032
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Speaker 17: go Ruben Bain if I had to choose one of

1033
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Speaker 17: the two, because it's almost like quarterback in the NFL.

1034
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Speaker 17: If you don't have one, you keep swinging until you

1035
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Speaker 17: find one. Defensive end and guys who wrecked the game

1036
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Speaker 17: with the line of scrimmage, you keep swinging until you

1037
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Speaker 17: find one. And right now, it feels like there's a

1038
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Speaker 17: bit of an emergency for the Bengals to find someone

1039
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Speaker 17: who can fill that spot of being this team's quote

1040
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 17: unquote closer because they lost that with Trey Hendrickson, and

1041
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 17: you saw how important that was throughout the season when

1042
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 17: the Banngals couldn't close out games against teams that either

1043
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 17: they were better than or teams like the Chicago Bears,

1044
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 17: they could have upset in that moment. So yeah, I

1045
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 17: think they have to keep swinging at eggs until they

1046
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 17: find the right fit. And maybe they've already got that

1047
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 17: on the team Instamar Stewart and Miles Murphy, but I'm

1048
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 17: not willing to go into the twenty twenty sixth season

1049
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 17: with those two guys as the book end ends. I

1050
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 17: think they have to add inctant impact players, whether that's

1051
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Speaker 17: with the top ten draft pick or finding someone in

1052
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Speaker 17: free agency who can get to the quarterback.

1053
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Speaker 3: Dan Pitcher is interviewing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for

1054
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 3: their offensive coordinator job. That's his job here, but there

1055
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: he would be able to call the plays. What do

1056
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Speaker 3: you make of this? And do you think that something

1057
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Speaker 3: that Zach Taylor should reconsider in an effort to keep

1058
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Speaker 3: the continuity, that would be Dan Pitcher.

1059
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Speaker 17: It's not only considering to keep the continuity, it's also

1060
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Speaker 17: if Dan Pitcher does leave, how do you get someone

1061
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 17: to come to Cincinnati and take on that role if

1062
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Speaker 17: they're not going to be play caller. I say good

1063
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Speaker 17: on Dan Pitcher. It feels like this cycle may go

1064
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 17: by with head coaching without him getting an opportunity to

1065
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 17: be a head coach. The next level for him is

1066
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Speaker 17: to prove he's that guy when calling plays, and I

1067
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Speaker 17: think he probably needs to go out and if that

1068
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Speaker 17: opportunity is there in Tampa to take that opportunity to

1069
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Speaker 17: continue on his career. I can tell you this from

1070
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Speaker 17: conversations with Dan Pitcher. He's one of the most intelligent

1071
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 17: people in that building and that's someone the Bengals do

1072
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Speaker 17: not want to lose. But if he has to do

1073
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Speaker 17: this for his career, then you know who who's going

1074
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 17: to be the one to stand in his way and

1075
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Speaker 17: say he shouldn't take this job and a chance to

1076
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Speaker 17: call plays? Now? If he does leave, where do the

1077
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Speaker 17: Bengals go And how does Zach Taylor make this an

1078
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 17: attractive job for someone who's not going to come in

1079
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 17: and call plays now. Certainly you can fall right back

1080
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Speaker 17: on the relationship we have with Brian Callahan, and Brian

1081
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Speaker 17: Callahan is available, and that would seem to be the

1082
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 17: easy fit. But for an organization that's trying to do

1083
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 17: everything it can to find change in the margins, is

1084
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 17: bringing back Brian Callahan the right move and the right

1085
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 17: message to the end of the fan base. Quite honestly,

1086
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 17: I'm not sure they care what the message is in

1087
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 17: that situation of bringing back Brian Callahan. I know Zak

1088
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 17: likes working with him. I thought Brian Callahan did a

1089
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 17: great job in Cincinnati. So while it might seem a

1090
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 17: bit stale and eye roll ish for the fan base

1091
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 17: to bring him back, if Dan Pitcher were to leave,

1092
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 17: I think Zach Taylor would feel very comfortable. Would he

1093
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 17: also feel comfortable hiring from within and promote from with Dan?

1094
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 17: And Brad Kragthorpe would be a name to watch for it.

1095
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 17: Dan Pitcher left as well, so in this In this scenario,

1096
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 17: I think it's important for Dan Pitcher to get the

1097
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 17: next level of experience to call them plays. But it's

1098
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 17: it's a really hard thing for Zach Taylor to make

1099
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 17: that job attractive to someone who had been in the organization,

1100
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 17: say a Mike McDaniel. And I've been told by people

1101
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 17: in Danish building they believe Mike McDaniel is the best

1102
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 17: fun game mind in the NFL. And what a difference

1103
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 17: that would make the consistent that he bangles for ad

1104
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 17: to have hard than that best passing gay world than if

1105
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 17: you were to add a guy that has the kind

1106
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 17: of ability Mike McDaniel has to create dimunity in the

1107
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 17: run game that that would only make that offense that

1108
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 17: much there. But would Mike McDaniel come to Cincinnati and

1109
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 17: not call plays? That that's the hard part for Zach

1110
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 17: Taylor if they do lose Dan Pitcher.

1111
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: Zach gave an answer not that long ago about why

1112
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: he likes working with Duke Tobin, and he said that

1113
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 3: there is no ego whatsoever with Duke Tobin. I look

1114
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 3: at the way Zach is stubborn. I guess you could

1115
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: say with the play calling process and see that as ego.

1116
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: He's not willing to give up that part of his process.

1117
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 3: Is that misguided on my part? You're around Zach a

1118
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: lot more than most people are. Do you feel like

1119
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: there's an ego involved in that? Or is that just

1120
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: this is what he feels like the best way to

1121
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: be successful is.

1122
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 17: I believe your statement is fair to say that there's

1123
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 17: a bit of ego involved, but I think anybody in

1124
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 17: any scenario where their job relies on execution of whatever

1125
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 17: that job is. In Zach Taylor's case, being an offensive

1126
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 17: head coach hit him having control of what goes on

1127
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 17: with the offensive play calling is one of those things,

1128
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 17: and we all do it at work that if I'm

1129
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 17: going to do it, I'm going to do it myself.

1130
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 17: If I'm going to go down, I'm going to go

1131
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 17: down knowing I did it my way. And if that's ego,

1132
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 17: then that's fair. And I think anybody who gets to

1133
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 17: rise to the level of head coach in the NFL,

1134
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 17: ego is a part of that, and ego can be

1135
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 17: a good thing. In this case, it's one of those

1136
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 17: things that seems to pop up every other year where

1137
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 17: there's a question, Okay, is this now the time where

1138
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 17: Zach Taylor's going to give up play calling? It kind

1139
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 17: of feels like that ship is sale, and I'm not

1140
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 17: sure Zak Taylor is ever going to give that up.

1141
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 17: Obviously he likes doing it, and I think also at

1142
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 17: the same time, it's one of those things if if

1143
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 17: this is going to be my only chance to be

1144
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 17: a head coach in the NFL. I'm going to do

1145
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 17: it my way, and if it's going to go down,

1146
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 17: I'm going to go down doing it my way. And

1147
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 17: if that's ego, that's ego, and that's on him, And

1148
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 17: now it is on him in this coming season to

1149
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 17: help this team get back to where they want to go. Now.

1150
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 17: It is the perfect is a play caller, of course

1151
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 17: not it is the perfect. As a head coach, he's not.

1152
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 17: But again, at the same time, you can also look

1153
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 17: at if he's part of the brains behind the offense.

1154
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 17: The offense has not been the problem in recent years

1155
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 17: for Cincinnati not making the playoffs. So of all the

1156
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 17: finger pointing and all the reasons the Bengals haven't made

1157
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 17: the playoffs and haven't met expectations, the offense and offensive

1158
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 17: play calling, while not perfect, is lower on my list

1159
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 17: of things that need to be fixed and need to

1160
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 17: be addressed, need to be looked at with urgency. But

1161
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 17: also at the same time, going back to the last

1162
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 17: point we discussed, if the Bengals are trying to bring

1163
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 17: in someone who can help them get to a next level,

1164
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 17: it doesn't all have to be on defense. It certainly

1165
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 17: can be on the offensive side of the ball, and

1166
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 17: if they're going to try to attract someone to come

1167
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 17: in here and be a difference maker on offense, then

1168
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 17: maybe you do have to relink with something like that.

1169
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 17: I just don't see it happening. So I don't want

1170
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 17: to sit here and say it's not worth discussing, because

1171
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 17: certainly it's a great talk radio point and very worth

1172
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 17: discussing in this platform. But at the same time, I

1173
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 17: just don't think it's going to change, and therefore you

1174
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 17: can label it whatever you want, ego or just someone

1175
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 17: believing in himself and wanting to do it his way.

1176
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 17: Either way you do it, it's going to continue working

1177
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 17: this way. In Cincinnati with Zach Taylor, colinslays, you're.

1178
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: Talking about getting over the hump and attracting someone to

1179
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: come here. I do think it's interesting because so much

1180
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: and everyone knows the defense has been an issue. I

1181
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting. Joe Burrow ranked twenty third mun

1182
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: qualifying quarterbacks on passing plays of fifteen yards or more,

1183
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: one behind where Joe Flacco landed on that list. Teams

1184
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: are obviously going to try to shut down Jamar Chase

1185
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: and t Higgins in one of those maybe under talked

1186
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: about area is in getting this team to take the

1187
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: next step. Do you foresee them at any point this

1188
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: offseason maybe looking into that wide receiver three type playmaker

1189
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: a little bit more than they have in recent years.

1190
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 17: Point it'd be fun, right, I mean, we can sit

1191
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 17: here and be James repen and playing fantasy football with

1192
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 17: the Bengals roster and keep adding to areas of strength.

1193
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 17: And I love James and it's fun when he does that,

1194
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 17: especially last night watching the Nationals game, for every player

1195
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 17: that made a play, it was eyeball of mosi ye

1196
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 17: on him being a Cincinnati Bengal. Certainly, when you start

1197
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,959
Speaker 17: looking at assets and where you can build this team

1198
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 17: and the urgency it takes to remake the roster, that

1199
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 17: would feel at this point like a luxury. And who's

1200
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 17: to say it's a luxury you can't add, because look,

1201
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 17: the Bengals had tried to add it through the draft.

1202
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 17: Now we could argue Jermaine Burton was drafted to be

1203
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 17: a potential replacement for T Higgins if he left, but

1204
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 17: he was also supposed to be able to help this

1205
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 17: team right away with T Higgins then that didn't work out.

1206
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 17: So if you're going to do this I would say

1207
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 17: you probably aren't going to do it via the draft

1208
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 17: because of the draft capital that you would have to

1209
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 17: use to get a difference maker a wide receiver number three,

1210
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 17: when that could be used on other positions that you

1211
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 17: need first. And I think that goes for the entire

1212
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 17: roster when you look at free agency. Certainly, it's fun,

1213
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 17: it's a great idea to think about, and you make

1214
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 17: a good argument, But at the same time, I would

1215
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 17: still argue that the Bengals passing game and how much

1216
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 17: they have invested it in already and their belief that

1217
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 17: they have the best passing game in the world with

1218
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 17: the big three they already have, that is very low

1219
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 17: on the priority list. And if you're going to spend money,

1220
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 17: spend it elsewhere to help this roster get to where

1221
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 17: it needs to go. But boy, adding another weapon for

1222
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 17: Joe Burrow and maybe you can find one chief. I mean,

1223
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 17: you would across the NFL and some of these guys

1224
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 17: that are that are huge difference makers as wide receiver

1225
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 17: number three, and maybe they're not stretched the field, guys

1226
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 17: that they have put the ball in the hands and

1227
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 17: watch them make plays. Guys like a Khalier Shakir that

1228
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 17: we saw for Buffalo, a guy like Parker Washington we

1229
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 17: saw in Jacksonville. And then you look at what Denver

1230
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 17: has and some of these lesser known players like a

1231
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 17: Marvin Mims and and a Pat Bryant, guys that they've

1232
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 17: they've drafted and developed have become playmakers for these teams.

1233
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 17: So there's an argument to being made that that it

1234
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 17: could be and would be useful for this team going forward,

1235
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 17: But at the same time, it has to be very

1236
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 17: low on the priority list considering how much they need

1237
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 17: to fix on defense.

1238
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you before we let you go

1239
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 2: one thing on the Cincinnati Reds. You mentioned getting ready

1240
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 2: for spring training. You're going to be heading out to Arizona.

1241
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: We're coming out of Reds Fest this past weekend. Is

1242
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: there something sticking at the top of your list that

1243
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: that you are eager to see as you get out

1244
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: the spring training that that has maybe come about from

1245
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: Reds Faster or comments that you've heard that you're looking

1246
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: forward to as one of those lead storylines.

1247
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 17: I think the lead storyline for me continues to be

1248
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 17: And I said this Sunday night during our Sunday Night show.

1249
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 17: You know the scenes from Ocean's eleven when George Cooney

1250
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 17: and Brett Pitt are trying to decide on their eleven

1251
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 17: and something seems off and they say, you think we

1252
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 17: need one more? Yeah, really need one more. I feel

1253
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 17: like the Reds they haven't moved the needle, and I

1254
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 17: feel like they need one more move here to get

1255
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 17: the fan base all the way in. Now. Listen, if

1256
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 17: you look at the numbers of Red fans at RedFest,

1257
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 17: this fan base is ready. They were expecting a number

1258
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 17: and they blew that number of fans out of the

1259
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 17: water in a two day event a prevention center. So

1260
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 17: so Red fans are back. They're in that, they're excited

1261
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 17: about this team going to the playoffs last year. And

1262
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 17: I've maintained all along. You'll know the Reds know they're

1263
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 17: ready when they start investing in bullpen and middle relief

1264
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 17: is a weapon. In twenty twenty six and in one

1265
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 17: hundred and sixty two games, you win games with middle relief.

1266
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 6: I get it.

1267
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 17: But if you really want to win this fan base over,

1268
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 17: you've got one month. One month to do that. One

1269
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 17: more to move the needle to find somebody, and I

1270
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 17: know they're not going to get Cody Bellinger. I know

1271
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 17: that's not going to happen. Will they make a trade,

1272
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 17: a big splash trade it doubtful. But at the same time,

1273
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 17: you can also make a move that makes your team

1274
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 17: better and add depth to a long season. Because I

1275
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 17: like their lineup right now. I'm one of those guys

1276
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 17: who believes that Noel vie Marte can be the right

1277
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 17: handed bat that so many people keep asking about. When

1278
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 17: are they getting that bat? Where's that difference making from

1279
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 17: the outfield? Noelbe Marte over one hundred and sixty two

1280
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 17: game pace last year when it hit twenty five home runs,

1281
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 17: drove in nearly one hundred runs, and had nearly sixty

1282
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 17: extra base hit that's the kind of guy they're looking for,

1283
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 17: and he's already on Theirs. But you can't go into

1284
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 17: the season with this slim of deaths that they have

1285
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 17: a very solid starting eight. But if someone inevitably goes down,

1286
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 17: you need an Austin Hayes, you need a Miguel Andrew

1287
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 17: harr guys who are difference makers with the bat in

1288
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 17: their hand. I think the Reds need to add someone

1289
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 17: like that, a middle tier right handed bat that can

1290
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 17: give them more options when inevitably their depths is tested

1291
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 17: throughout the season.

1292
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: Joe Daniman, you're the best at every level. What's all

1293
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 2: going on with Fox nineteen. Obviously a lot coming up

1294
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Speaker 2: with spring training, but I know always you guys staying busy.

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Speaker 2: What's up right now?

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Speaker 17: You know Fox nineteen now never stopped Final Quarter Friday

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Speaker 17: Night thirty minutes show. High school basketball is getting really

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Speaker 17: good in Cincinnati right now, and Tony and Tony, we're

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Speaker 17: looking forward as wrestling watchers.

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Speaker 2: Oh the royal Rumble.

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Speaker 17: Yes, a night La night to pull off the shocker

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Speaker 17: of the center.

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Speaker 4: It's time time, it's past time.

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Speaker 17: But it's gonna be Roman. That's my ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more on that as we go as well.

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Speaker 2: Joey d Man thanks as always. Yeay Fox nineteen's Joe

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01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: Daniman kind enough with his time on Tuesdays to join

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Speaker 2: us to kick off our number two and now we

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Speaker 2: follow with your talkbacks next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports station.

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Speaker 18: For talkbacks, press the microphone and record your message for

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Speaker 18: Austin and Tone.

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Speaker 19: Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

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Speaker 18: And a sprinkle, sprinkle, drip drip.

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Speaker 2: It's that time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 18: It's our favorite part since three sixty.

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Speaker 8: So Austin, buddy, play those.

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Speaker 18: Talkbacks on your screen and please try not to sabotage.

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Speaker 2: The Tuesday edition post college football National Championship eve of

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats taking on number one ranked Arizona Wildcat's version

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Speaker 2: of talkbacks.

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Speaker 3: It's not usual, it's not typical to start a segment

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Speaker 3: with the teas, but I'm gonna do that because over

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 3: the break, Joe Danoman just sent me a text with

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Speaker 3: a very specific stat that he was unable to drop

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Speaker 3: for us oh, regarding the Cincinnati Bearcats. Okay, so when

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Speaker 3: that conversation comes, be ready. I can't wait because Joe

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Speaker 3: Daneman is going to contribute even in the afterlife of

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Speaker 3: his segment, with an incredible stat that answers a question

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Speaker 3: that many people had.

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Speaker 7: Love it triple boogey Tuesday, James Madison, Bloomington on top

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Speaker 7: of the college football world, Hurricane Fernando Wheelburrow that football

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Speaker 7: over the goal line and a spectacular touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Who who who oo?

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Speaker 10: Yours righted them up?

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Speaker 2: Nice? Nice t.

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Speaker 9: You?

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Speaker 12: Alright's the fellows. We got a very distraught UK hater

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01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 12: at my work. We'll call him Joey g he's very

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 12: sad about this past Saturday's game. Oh so I got

1341
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 12: a little jingle to cheer him up. Rocket type, you

1342
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 12: will always be home, sweet home to me.

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Speaker 14: Good old rocket.

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Speaker 12: Tup, Rocket tup tennise see go.

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Speaker 7: Be Blue, Go cats Man.

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Speaker 2: Beautifully done, Craig, he kind of hit that. How about

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Speaker 2: Kentucky erasing another death?

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Speaker 20: Tony and mister Gilmour, it's your boyton Tony. I know

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Speaker 20: you probably have not touched the basketball since the Memorial Tournament,

1350
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 20: but you know who's been playing every Sunday and still

1351
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 20: is not about her. But you're right, I'm done talking

1352
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 20: about balling ain't easy. You know I've said too much

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 20: about him, So now I'm gonna move on to talkbackers.

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 20: Jacket Malhopey, you have as good as takes as Ryan Clark.

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01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 3: Oh ow ouch, it's just an insult right.

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Speaker 21: There, Jack Tuesday, Tony in Austin. Great game last night.

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Speaker 21: How many cigarettes do you think Signetti smoked with the

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01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 21: last name like that? You gotta have some victory dots, correct.

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Speaker 2: The victory dots. He did say he's looking forward to

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Speaker 2: some beer.

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Speaker 3: He's saying dots or darts. Oh, I think he was

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 3: trying to say darts dots. I don't know.

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Speaker 22: Hey, If Indiana doesn't build a bronze statue replicating Mendoza

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Speaker 22: diving into the end zone, I don't know what will. Hey,

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Speaker 22: did you see Mendoza at the end of the game

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01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 22: being interviewed on field? Did you see the man? It

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01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 22: was just true emotions. It was just to see his heart.

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Speaker 22: That's what sports is all about. What a great dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That, And there was a point he was getting

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Speaker 2: interviewed in like the whole fan base was singing Fernando.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was awesome.

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Speaker 19: I think it was the New England game this weekend

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Speaker 19: when a guy made an interception and he only got

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Speaker 19: one knee down in bounds. Am I the only one

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Speaker 19: who didn't know that was a rule? And if so,

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 19: when did one knee replace two feet?

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Speaker 3: If anybody knows, that was not a one knee thing.

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Speaker 3: He got his shin down as well. His sole from

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Speaker 3: the knee all the way down was on the ground.

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Speaker 23: Part time. Tony Pike, how you doing, man? Feeling a

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 23: little rough from Saturday? Hey, I'm really really proud of

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Speaker 23: you for not drinking and driving back into work yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So I just wanted to call it, Sam.

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Speaker 2: Brall, thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: It's true. Nobody should do that.

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Speaker 21: No.

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Speaker 24: In nineteen ninety eight, the Rams were four and twelve.

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01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 24: The next year they went thirteen and three and won

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Speaker 24: the Super Bowl. To me, that's one of the greatest

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Speaker 24: sports turnarounds there is.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good for sure. As far as turnarounds, I think

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Speaker 3: that's an even smaller number that you can have. That's

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Speaker 3: a great example right there. I thought of the four

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Speaker 3: Red Sox, the Cubs in twenty sixteen, Leicester City in

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Speaker 3: the Premier League in twenty sixteen, just unexpected meteoric rises

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Speaker 3: to be able to do it.

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Speaker 25: What's up, Tony and Austin. It's Adam and Mount Adams.

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Speaker 25: Excuse my voice. I shut her down about three a m.

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Speaker 25: Last night setting the losers. Oh what a team, what

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Speaker 25: a season. Never give up on your teams. If it

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Speaker 25: could happen to IU football, believe me, it can happen

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Speaker 25: to anybody. Six wins were the bar. I was hoping

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01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 25: this team would make a Bowl game every year, and

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 25: then here we are winning national titles and favored to

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Speaker 25: win next year. I'll try to squeeze.

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Speaker 2: Some more in the next crazy wanted to.

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Speaker 25: Give a shout out to Don Fisher the voices of

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01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 25: the Hoosiers for fifty two years. I've been spoiled listening

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01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 25: to Marty growing up calling the Reds games and listen

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 25: to to Down called the IU games. He's seen a

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01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 25: lot of bad football, so to hear him call a

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 25: national title last night was pretty special. You think about

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01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 25: the people that aren't here that would have loved to

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 25: have seen this. Never in my wildest dreams that I

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01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 25: think this team would win a national title. Keep up

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01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,440
Speaker 25: the good work, fellas.

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Speaker 17: And.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the part that makes it that

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01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: much more special, because when you are a fan of

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Speaker 2: a team again, as he said, six is a happy year.

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: Get to a bowl game and it's a good year.

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Speaker 2: That when a fan base like that, who has gone

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01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: through losing and struggles, when you're standing on top of

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: the mountain, man, enjoy it all, take it all in.

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Speaker 26: It's not the Lord I live here on Earth. Well,

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Speaker 26: I'll tell you what flabbergast me the most. Man Mendoza.

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 26: He's a good player, but dude talks way too much. No,

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01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 26: sometimes I think he talks so fast he don't even

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 26: know what he's saying, and then I can only understand

1430
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 26: like two out of every four words the guy says, Man,

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Speaker 26: there ain't no way that team would match up with Lsu,

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01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 26: Joe Burrow and all that. So he nails work first

1433
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 26: half of slow, second half sped up.

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Speaker 3: I liked it.

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Speaker 2: His footwork's crazy, and I think he handles himself as

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Speaker 2: well as anyone can.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot going on for him. What's

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Speaker 3: the fellas?

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Speaker 10: Hey, I missed the show yesterday.

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Speaker 19: Actually I don't even know if you were on yesterday,

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 19: But anyway, I wanted to ask, why did Josh Allen

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01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,839
Speaker 19: wait until after the game to start bawling?

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01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 21: Oh?

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 24: Guy's got any ideas?

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 27: Yeah?

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01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 3: Oh, when Mendoza does it, it's cute, But when Alan

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01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 3: does it, everybody has a problem.

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Speaker 9: Tony, would you happen to know how much money Seanabayev

1449
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 9: makes an nil?

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Speaker 3: Dude?

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Speaker 9: It's a five star recruit. McDonald's All American. I verage

1452
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 9: twenty four twenty five points in high school and now

1453
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 9: he just rides the bench behind a bunch of one

1454
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 9: star kids. Talk about the biggest bust in history.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know.

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01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 3: I think there's some bigger busts behind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a like I just asked that to UH,

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01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: to Google and on three comes out with their nil valuations.

1459
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 2: So it's not what they're making, but what they would

1460
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 2: value the player out and they have him around three

1461
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: hundred thousand for what it's worth.

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Speaker 28: It's the lord I got to start.

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 2: I more to say about a five later.

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01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 28: Quarterbacks who had a bad weekend. CJ. Stroud, only Rock Party,

1465
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 28: Josh Allen, and you can even throw bon Nix into

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Speaker 28: the mix.

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Speaker 2: Well bo Nicks differently because of the injury. I would

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Speaker 2: start c J. Stroud, I would bench Josh Allen, and

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 2: I would cut Rock Party because I don't think San

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Speaker 2: Francisco was winning, even if Party was great. Alan It's

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Speaker 2: just kind of who they are with the team around him.

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Speaker 2: If CJ. Strove would have just played bad, they would

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Speaker 2: have won. Like he didn't even need to play okay

1474
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Speaker 2: or good. If he would have just played bad, they

1475
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Speaker 2: would have won.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna remove Brock Purdy just because you got beat

1477
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 3: like a grand Kenyon mule and it wasn't much he

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01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 3: could do. I'm gonna start Josh Allen because he got

1479
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 3: his coach fired and there would never been more pressure

1480
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,839
Speaker 3: on him, and he cried on National TV. I'm gonna

1481
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 3: bench bo Nicks because to win that game the way

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 3: you did and then, oh, I don't have a chance

1483
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 3: to play anymore. Break an ankle like that. I think

1484
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 3: that's just really hard. And then I'll cut CJ. He's

1485
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 3: never won a big game in his life and it sucks.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so many coaches getting fired. We still got Zach.

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Speaker 13: I think Sean McDermott is a fairly good coach. You

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01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 13: just can't get him over the hump. I'll tell you

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Speaker 13: really nice one for Indiana. They are very so fundamentally sound.

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Speaker 13: I mean, you watch an Indiana game. They hardly ever

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01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 13: have a penalty, hardly ever do anything dumb.

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Speaker 2: And I thought the one time they did do something

1493
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: dumb on the false start was gonna cost him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 28: Okay, now that we got Tanner Hudson signed to a

1496
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 28: one year deal, who's going to focus on Sheldon Rankins

1497
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Speaker 28: and Joe Flaco?

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01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 2: Okay the next signings?

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Speaker 3: Sure do you think he knows Sheldon Rankins doesn't play

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Speaker 3: for the Bengals.

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01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna go with it. I would say

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Speaker 2: I see a future.

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 23: Bengal last night.

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: Sonny hots on it. What up, Tony yup?

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01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 29: I saw being junior last night and my job drops say, Yo,

1506
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 29: we don't get down. Let's go get this dude belonging stripes.

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01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 29: He fit our division. We need that type of aggression

1508
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 29: on the D line. You did what I'm saying, it'd

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:58,879
Speaker 29: be excellent.

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01:18:59,720 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 7: Man.

1511
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 29: And they out here saying that they're gonna blow you

1512
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 29: see bout thirty. Come on, get out here and Coody's

1513
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 29: boys off. You see a stunner about one gonna be

1514
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 29: airs on a state catch Strutt's get him.

1515
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 3: Come on, Ronnie, I see you're Ruben Bayin and I

1516
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 3: raise you in a mod motin ouse. That dude was

1517
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 3: dominant last time.

1518
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: I would say he was twitchy. He was a big man.

1519
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 3: Some could say.

1520
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 30: That, hey, guys, I enjoy listening to Joe Daniman as

1521
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 30: much as the next person. But hearing him say Caleb

1522
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 30: Downs is not a playmaker is just as a nine.

1523
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 30: I mean, the guy is a obviously gonna be a

1524
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 30: top ten pick. He's a disruptor on defense. He's always

1525
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 30: in the right spot, he doesn't misstackles. He is exactly

1526
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 30: what the defense needs. So completely disagree with the non

1527
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 30: playmaker label from Joe.

1528
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1529
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily agree with it either. I think his

1530
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 3: point was more or less of like disrupting the quarterback. Yeah,

1531
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 3: in the flow of the offense, getting guys off schedule.

1532
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 3: Like sleek Caleb Downs has a long, uh list of

1533
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 3: things that he's been able to do. I think it

1534
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: was just more or less about disrupting the quarterback.

1535
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 31: Yeah, what's up guys? TJ east Side I was out

1536
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 31: skiing for a week. It was great and refreshing.

1537
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:17,560
Speaker 2: To be outside.

1538
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 3: Going take a breather.

1539
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 31: Amazing game last night, Audie, what you said about Zach

1540
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 31: Man spot on his ego. He's stubborn. You know I

1541
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 31: feel different about him than you do. But he's stubborn,

1542
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 31: just like Mike Brown. He needs to check his weaknesses

1543
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 31: and improve upon what he needs to wear. He's not

1544
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 31: so hot so this team can win. Good question, Way

1545
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 31: to go?

1546
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 3: Where to go? Thanks man? Good work?

1547
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: Hello?

1548
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 18: This really hold on. You've gotta be kidding me. Hello,

1549
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 18: this is former President Ronald Reagan. Wait, and did you

1550
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 18: know that? Hello? This is former President Ronald Reagan. And

1551
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 18: will I'll just try again tomorrow.

1552
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: I believe that's the sound of Kurt signetti and the

1553
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 3: Indiana Hoosiers coming through the Hoosier Train.

1554
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 32: Hey guys, Jeff, and happy Tuesday to you. So just

1555
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 32: wanted to congratulate Indiana on their national championship.

1556
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 2: It was a great game.

1557
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 32: As far as the Bearcats, Tony, we haven't had chance

1558
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 32: to talk, but first of all, wanted to congratulate Wes

1559
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 32: and the players once again on a huge win. And

1560
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 32: I enjoyed those pictures of Mesa that you sent out,

1561
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 32: so thanks.

1562
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: I was wondering, like, Okay, what's Jeff's reaction going to

1563
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: be on that? That was the Iowa State.

1564
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 3: Went very complimentary yesterday as well, So I think I

1565
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 3: gave Wes flowers as well, because it could have been

1566
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 3: he could have just kept making it worse. Yeah, but

1567
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 3: I think he deserves a lot of credit for bringing

1568
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 3: that team together and just batting down the hatches and

1569
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 3: knock off a number two team, even if you know

1570
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: they didn't play that great in terms of Iowa State's

1571
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 3: lost two games in a row, but still number two team.

1572
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: You will, and we'll dive into it as well. But

1573
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 2: the one constant that's happened through this season struggles. It's

1574
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: not like they've rolled over they have continued to play hard,

1575
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: and I'll give him that credit as well. We're done,

1576
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 2: all right, we'll take a break. We'll come back.

1577
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 10: Man.

1578
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: We've got Reds, We've got Bengals, we've got Bearcats. All

1579
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: still to go, and your phone calls five one, three, seven,

1580
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty Back with more on ESPN fifteen

1581
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1582
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Wcjames now on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1583
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: Fucking back since he three sixty, ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

1584
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 2: Sports Station. Some NFL, some Bearcats coming up in our

1585
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 2: number three. Before we get to any of that, Austin,

1586
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 2: I want to get to something that tj Antone talked

1587
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 2: about with Lance McAllister in just a few moments. I

1588
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: know I missed it yesterday. Terry Francona was on also

1589
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 2: with Lance, and I know you talked about it yesterday.

1590
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: But the quote from Terry Francona of we're not gonna

1591
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 2: league the lead in runs, We're not trying to win

1592
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: games ten to nine. I get that, but it's the

1593
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 2: doubling down that that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going

1594
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: to run more or find different ways to kind of

1595
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: get runs. Across the board something about that. Like to

1596
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: a point, I appreciate the honesty, I also don't understand,

1597
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 2: you know what, is it just he's so setting his

1598
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 2: ways that he's not coming off that. But if you're

1599
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 2: acknowledging that you're not the best offensive team, how can

1600
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: you also not acknowledge that it may be in your

1601
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: best benefit to create more opportunities to score runs on

1602
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: the base paths. Yeah again, I saw that, and I'm like, yeah, okay, Well,

1603
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate his honesty that they're not going to be

1604
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: a great offensive team, but why would you not want

1605
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: to come out and maybe explore opportunities on how you

1606
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 2: can be more effective offensively.

1607
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: I will say this, I think they were a very

1608
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: dumb team last year, especially on the base pass. There

1609
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 3: was a lot of toot blands. And for those who

1610
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 3: maybe don't know what a tute bland is, shout out

1611
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 3: to Chris Welsh, that's thrown out on the base pass

1612
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 3: like an income poop. Toot happened quite a bit. Yeah,

1613
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 3: and Francona did reference that with lance that there were

1614
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 3: too many times where they ran into outs that they

1615
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 3: need to be smarter on the base pass and be

1616
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 3: aggressive in that way, and I agree with him. To me,

1617
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 3: there is no excuse for being stupid on the basse pass,

1618
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 3: especially if you were in the big leagues. It's not

1619
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 3: guys go from t ball to the major leagues. Sure,

1620
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 3: it's not like they go from high school to the

1621
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 3: major leagues. You go from high school, you go to college.

1622
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 3: You might go to junior college, you might go to

1623
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 3: single A to double A to triple A. You should

1624
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 3: know how to act on the damn bass pass, and

1625
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 3: the Reds were very stupid at it last year. And

1626
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 3: so to that point, he's correct. I went back and

1627
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 3: looked though, because if you know, and you admit, like

1628
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 3: Francona did, that they're not going to score a lot

1629
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 3: of runs, then you do need to find a way

1630
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 3: to not be stupid on the bays pass base pass

1631
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 3: and be aggressive and smart that can lead to more runs.

1632
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 3: The Reds played thirty games last year Tony where they

1633
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 3: scored one run or fewer. Oh yeah, they were four

1634
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 3: and twenty six in those games.

1635
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:47,440
Speaker 2: Not good.

1636
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 3: Now, we talked about the offensive explosion that they had

1637
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 3: in a few of those games. They scored eleven or more.

1638
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 3: Nine times. They were eight and one in those games.

1639
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 3: So obviously those are two very different sample sizes. One's

1640
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 3: thirty games and ones nine, and we can filter that

1641
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 3: out maybe as the week goes along, as we get

1642
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 3: more into the offseason. But you know, when you score more.

1643
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 2: Runs, good things are gonna happen.

1644
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 3: Good things are gonna happen.

1645
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: Rocket Science. Here. One of the I guess not as

1646
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 2: talked about parts of the offseason is this attempt at

1647
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: another comeback from TJ and Tone. He to this day, Austin,

1648
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 2: He's still one of the one of my favorite guests

1649
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 2: we've ever had on the show.

1650
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was gonna play this yesterday, ended up

1651
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 3: running out of time because I agree. I think that

1652
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 3: was one of my favorite things that we've ever done.

1653
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 3: And a lot of fans or a lot of listeners

1654
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 3: really seem to like what TJ had to say.

1655
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is this is from Redsfest, TJ and

1656
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: Tone spending some time. He's got a book coming out, Yeah,

1657
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:51,879
Speaker 2: writ in a book. This is with Lance McAllister.

1658
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 33: Yeah, so the book is done. It's kind of a

1659
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 33: two part series. It's gonna be called the Tommy John Protocol.

1660
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 33: And so I've you know, had Tom John three times

1661
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 33: The front half of the book is my personal journey,

1662
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 33: and it's going to just talk about conversations that I had,

1663
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 33: how I was feeling on certain situations, things that I

1664
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 33: did a lot of just behind the scenes action and

1665
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 33: emotion and stories that people and fans don't know that

1666
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 33: happened the day that I tore my my ucal the

1667
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 33: third time, and just like what you know, I went

1668
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 33: into the locker room and just cried, like you know,

1669
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 33: and I was and I'm very vulnerable in the book

1670
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 33: and just talking about what I went through and so

1671
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,839
Speaker 33: and and I know that my story is an inspiration

1672
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 33: to other kids who have gone through or going through

1673
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 33: surgeries and think that their career is over, but have

1674
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 33: they have to see hope or you don't have hope

1675
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 33: with that surgery and say I can make it back.

1676
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 33: Look he did three, I can do one, you know,

1677
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 33: And I want I want kids to to feel that inspiration.

1678
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 33: So the front half of the book is my story.

1679
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 33: The back half of the book is going to be

1680
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 33: technical knowledge around Tommy John surgeries.

1681
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,440
Speaker 2: I go all the way through.

1682
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 33: Mindsets you should have pre surgery, things you should do,

1683
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:10,879
Speaker 33: surgery days, things you should do, you know, sleeping techniques

1684
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 33: when you have the brace on early rehab, you know, rehabilitation,

1685
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 33: thought processes, throwing programs. Yeah, I give it all out there.

1686
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 33: And you know, the coolest thing is, I'm gonna I'm

1687
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 33: gonna self publish this book through Amazon. I'm gonna sell

1688
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 33: for thirty books. So I'm putting my life and soul

1689
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 33: into this book and I'm gonna make it as perfect

1690
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 33: as it can possibly be. And I'm selling for nickels,

1691
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 33: you know what I mean. So I also mentioned to

1692
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 33: you before we started, I want to do a podcast,

1693
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 33: or not a podcast, an audiobook version of it so

1694
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 33: people can kind of hear my emotion and you know,

1695
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 33: me speaking about what's happening, you know, when I'm telling

1696
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 33: the story, and then be able to kind of go

1697
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 33: of the off the script and say, yeah, this is

1698
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 33: what happened in that moment, this is what I was feeling,

1699
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 33: and you know that was really exciting or that was

1700
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 33: really scary or whatever, and you know, just be able

1701
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 33: to connect even deeper on another level versus just reading

1702
01:28:58,720 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 33: a book.

1703
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 27: What is it that I think someone on the outside

1704
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 27: who's never been in it would say, Man, a third,

1705
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 27: why put yourself through the grind? Again, what is it

1706
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 27: that keeps you pushing through to this point?

1707
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: And why not?

1708
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 33: You know, i'd ask that question, why not? You know,

1709
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 33: I I think I've seen myself have success on a

1710
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 33: Big League mound, which is the highest level of pitching

1711
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 33: in the world, and I've seen myself as success there

1712
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 33: and I know that I can do that when I'm healthy,

1713
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 33: and I just I'm not ready to give that dream

1714
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 33: up yet, and so I've just I have to continue

1715
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 33: to chase and I've learned that the best part of everything,

1716
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 33: Like you can have the success on the mound, but

1717
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 33: really it's the chase that's like the best part. Like

1718
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 33: the process is it like when you fall in love

1719
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 33: with the process and you really nail the process and

1720
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 33: just do the day to day to the best of

1721
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 33: your abilities, Like the things come, you know, and they

1722
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 33: come and they go, and what however the story ends

1723
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 33: up being written like it, you know, it's okay, Like

1724
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 33: the process is really the most important thing. And that's

1725
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 33: that's why I keep chasing it because I just can't

1726
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 33: give up the process. I can't give it up.

1727
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 2: That is It's such cool stuff from from tjn Tone.

1728
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 2: Not only the journey that he's been on as someone

1729
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 2: that that had two UCL surgeries on my elbow. You know,

1730
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 2: there's there's one of uniqueness to really understanding what goes

1731
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 2: on on a day to day basis when you're rehabbing.

1732
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 2: But more importantly than that, and I think what this

1733
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: book can do a lot of good with is the

1734
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 2: mental side of it. You know, this is something we

1735
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 2: talked about a ton with Joe Burrow this year. When

1736
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 2: you go through an injury and you know you have

1737
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 2: a long rehab process going up. The physical side is

1738
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: hard enough, it's the emotional and mental side of knowing

1739
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: what you have doing it alone a lot of the time,

1740
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 2: not being around the guys. Here I go again. Type

1741
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 2: of mentality like that, to me is the most fascinating

1742
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 2: about what Tjntne just talked about. Like I think the

1743
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 2: the insights of of the surgery itself, I think the

1744
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 2: insights of the rehab process, but those those mental ideas

1745
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 2: of how hard that can be and and being as

1746
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 2: vulnerable as as t j Antone is set to be

1747
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 2: in this this the book, I think it's going to

1748
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: make it very, very readable for a lot of people.

1749
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought it was cool and that mentality

1750
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 3: of like why not. Yeah, Like, if I have the

1751
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 3: ability to do this and and you know medically it's

1752
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 3: cleared and it makes sense, why wouldn't I do it?

1753
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 3: I thought. The other thing that was interesting is he

1754
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 3: said after the second one there was still some pain

1755
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 3: that he was experiencing just and thought that that was

1756
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 3: normal and and not something that maybe would ever go away.

1757
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 3: But he said he feels no pain now whatsoever. Yeah,

1758
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 3: And that I think, you know, when you have that

1759
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 3: coupled with the fact that this might be the last shot,

1760
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 3: let it all hang out and and we'll see what

1761
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 3: happens this team. I don't know. I don't know. I

1762
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 3: mean there's a lot of really good pitchers on that

1763
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 3: staff right now. Both you know, even at the minor

1764
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 3: league level, there's going to be some pretty decent guys

1765
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 3: down there. So I don't know. But he's got an

1766
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 3: opportunity every time that he's been fully healthy, sure he's

1767
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 3: made the team like and he's had a chance to

1768
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 3: be impactful.

1769
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 2: So awesome stuff from tj Antone. I look forward to

1770
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 2: that book and uh and very open of him to

1771
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 2: talk about that with Lance and to talk about it

1772
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 2: in a book forum. We'll take a break when we

1773
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 2: come back. Let's start with the Bearcats. I know you've

1774
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 2: got a Joe Daniman stat that he left us as well, right,

1775
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 2: But some thoughts on the Bearcats win and looking ahead

1776
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 2: to tomorrow's game against Arizona next and your phone calls

1777
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 2: five one, three seven nine, fifteen thirty. All ahead on

1778
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:32:54,040 --> 01:33:00,759
Speaker 1: Man, this is Tony Pike, since he three sixty about

1780
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:07,839
Speaker 1: Cincinnati from Cincinnati. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1781
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, welcome back. It's hour number three, the

1782
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 2: final hour of today's edition of Cincy three sixty. It

1783
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 2: comes your way on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN

1784
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Phone lines are open five

1785
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 2: to one to three, seven four nine, fifteen thirty. Give

1786
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 2: us a call. We'd love to talk to you. We're

1787
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 2: going to talk some NFL, we'll talk some Bengals. We'll

1788
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 2: also talk some Cincinnati Bearcats and college basketball. Here in

1789
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 2: the first segment, let's start. I didn't have the chance,

1790
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:42,759
Speaker 2: obviously to do this. Yesterday Bearcats winners over Iowa State,

1791
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 2: the number two ranked team in the nation. They did so,

1792
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: and I thought impressive fashion. I'll get to that in

1793
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 2: just a moment. It was the first win against an

1794
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 2: AP Top ten team since twenty twelve, first win against

1795
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 2: a team ranked in the top two since nineteen sixty seven.

1796
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 2: And they had to fight to do it. And I

1797
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 2: know that Iowa State did not play their best game.

1798
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 2: Iowa State turned the ball over, you see did not,

1799
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: But I also credit U SE's defense for forcing some

1800
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 2: of those twelve turnovers. And not only the twelve turnovers.

1801
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 2: It was twenty points that the Bearcats converted off just

1802
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 2: the twelve turnovers that they forced, they let in fast

1803
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: break points. What I thought was also impressive. For the

1804
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 2: first time in quite some time, it feels like a

1805
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 2: team shot worse from the foul line than the Bearcats.

1806
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 2: Now you see shot just twelve compared to twenty seven

1807
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,759
Speaker 2: for Iowa State, seventy five percent from the line compared

1808
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 2: to sixty three percent. Not a not a bad Saturday.

1809
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,799
Speaker 2: You see shot at just twenty nine percent from three.

1810
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 2: Both teams shot at forty three percent from the field.

1811
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 2: Couple things though, that stood out to me the play

1812
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,759
Speaker 2: of both Gigsel James and Bobb Gigsel James and Dayde

1813
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: Thomas Gizzle James I thought that was his best, most

1814
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 2: complete game since he's returned to this team. So with

1815
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 2: fifteen points on six or twelve shooting Dayde Thomas nineteen

1816
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 2: points in the game. Those two also only turned it

1817
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 2: over three times combined, So if you look at the

1818
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:16,919
Speaker 2: production thirty four points and three turnovers from those two combined,

1819
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 2: you're going to take that in a lot of ways.

1820
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 2: Bobo Miller another double digit rebound game. He picks and

1821
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 2: chooses at his time win to attack. He was also

1822
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 2: great on the glass, blocking two shots. It wasn't really

1823
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 2: a Mustapha Chom game. The way Iowa State defends, and

1824
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 2: they defend well, just does not bode well for a

1825
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 2: big man that likes to play with his back to

1826
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 2: the basket. So Chom was not as much of a storyline.

1827
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 2: But to me, what set the tone was Sincere Harris

1828
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 2: guarding Lipsey for Iowa State. It looked at times like

1829
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 2: Lipsey wanted no part of being picked up ninety four

1830
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 2: feet from Sincere Harris. It was a style of play

1831
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 2: that almost made you feel like you were watching an

1832
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 2: old school bearcat game. That's so many people in this

1833
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 2: City Long for as Bearcat fans, it was awesome to watch. Obviously,

1834
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 2: Jalen Celestine hitting four threes off the bench was a

1835
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 2: good boost. Tyler McKinley was solid. A lot Austin is

1836
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:21,560
Speaker 2: made of Shaunabib and he played just five minutes. He

1837
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 2: unfollowed some UC stuff on social media. There were videos

1838
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 2: of the team celebrating in the locker room and Shanabiv

1839
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 2: is just kind of sitting in the background. And I

1840
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 2: get it. I understand that he's a five star. I

1841
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 2: understand that he thought he would be contributing more, and

1842
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 2: to be honest, I think a lot of people here

1843
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 2: around the program thought he would be contributing more. But

1844
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 2: I give Wes Miller a lot of credit because it's

1845
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 2: hard in today's world of nil to sit guys. And

1846
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 2: I've criticized Wes multiple times because I feel at times

1847
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 2: they played too many guys. That was not the case.

1848
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 2: They played eight on Saturday, essentially with five minutes from

1849
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 2: a five cell Us team was playing well for this team.

1850
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 2: He pulled down five rebounds, he added twelve points. He

1851
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 2: played twenty six minutes, and I think what my hope

1852
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: is for Seannabive is what we saw from Keischan Tillery.

1853
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 2: Keischan Tillery, outside of Saturday, had not been getting much

1854
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:28,759
Speaker 2: playing time in recent games for the Cincinnati Bearcats. In fact,

1855
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 2: since the Alcorn State game, Tillery had not played in

1856
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 2: double digit minutes. He played five minutes against Savior, five

1857
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 2: minutes against Georgia, three minutes against Lipscomb, nine minutes against

1858
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:47,520
Speaker 2: West Virginia, three minutes against UCF, eight minutes against Colorado.

1859
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: And as a true freshman, that's probably tough because your

1860
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 2: playing time's getting gashed. And then KRK Crisa went down

1861
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 2: and there was an opening. And you gotta believe that

1862
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Keishan Tillery, when his playing time was limited, instead of

1863
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 2: complaining about it, stayed a good teammate and worked his

1864
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 2: tail off at practice. And he comes in on Saturday

1865
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 2: and he plays nineteen minutes, couple assists, a steal, a

1866
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: couple rebounds. He added four points for this team. But that,

1867
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 2: to me is who you should be as a college athlete.

1868
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 2: Things aren't going your way. You're a freshman, all right,

1869
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 2: go work hard at practice, make it so the coach

1870
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 2: has to play you. And I credit more so than anyone.

1871
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 2: And again, a lot of people had a hand in

1872
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 2: what use he was able to do. But nineteen minutes

1873
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 2: from a true freshman in Keishon Tillery who hadn't been

1874
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 2: playing a lot. I give credit to him for what

1875
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: he's done off the court to give himself a chance

1876
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 2: to get back on the court. It was an awesome win.

1877
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 2: Is it a win that erases everything else? Absolutely not.

1878
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 2: But it's a win that gives him an opportunity. It's

1879
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 2: a win that creeps open the door of well what

1880
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 2: if because you're not having a conversation about tomorrow night

1881
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 2: if they lost to Iowa State. It's just all right,

1882
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 2: here's another chance. And this team hasn't been able to

1883
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 2: get over the hump. We've asked for a long time.

1884
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 2: When is Wes Miller going to get a signature win? Well,

1885
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 2: you got a signature win. Wouldn't it be something if

1886
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 2: you wait all this time and he gets back to

1887
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 2: back signature wins? Now, I know Joe Danaman left you

1888
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 2: with a statistic, Austin, what was the stat that Joe

1889
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Daneman left.

1890
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 3: Well, you wanted to know, Tony, when was the last

1891
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 3: time that a team went back to back on number

1892
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 3: one and number two in the country, and that was

1893
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight when Kansas in the NCAA Tournament

1894
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 3: beat number one and number two go get back to back.

1895
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 2: Game so a NCAA Tournament setting.

1896
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 3: North Carolina and Memphis at the final four.

1897
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 2: Okay, so again, you have that opportunity in an NCAA

1898
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 2: tournament because of how the seating will get if you

1899
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 2: if you get that far. Man, what a storyline it

1900
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 2: would be right now the middle of your season with

1901
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 2: just a couple of days separation, and they'll need it all. Arizona.

1902
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 2: There's no question on who the best team in the

1903
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 2: country is right now in college basketball. It's Arizona. Their

1904
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 2: body of work is as impressive as anyone you'll find.

1905
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 2: At different times this year, they beat number three Florida

1906
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 2: handily at the time fifteenth rangth UCLA. They went on

1907
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 2: the road to Yukon and beat at the time number

1908
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 2: three Yukon. They have a win against Auburn in the

1909
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 2: Top twenty. They have a win against number twelve Alabama.

1910
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 2: They've handled business in five Big twelve games so far

1911
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 2: this year. It's as good as it gets. It's unanimous

1912
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 2: number one Arizona, and it's a huge opportunity for the Bearcats,

1913
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: and I'm not there yet, but I told Austin today,

1914
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 2: you want to talk about unbearable, they win tomorrow night.

1915
01:40:56,120 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 2: Seasons back on, and then I become unbearable in January.

1916
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 2: If Man the if man if worked on Saturday, I'd

1917
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 2: like for if to work tomorrow as well. If if

1918
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 2: now we could not talk about college basketball Auston, if

1919
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about what else happened on the college

1920
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 2: basketball weekend. We had a caller earlier mentioned Kentucky. What

1921
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: a win for Mark Pope in Kentucky as well. They

1922
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 2: were limping, They were struggling in a lot of different ways.

1923
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: They opened SEC play about as bad as you could

1924
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 2: if you're Kentucky basketball. They dropped their first two. They

1925
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 2: beat Mississippi State, they erased the eighteen point deficit to

1926
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 2: hit the shot with one point six seconds left to

1927
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 2: beat LSU. And then they go to Knoxville and they

1928
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 2: complete another huge comeback, a seventeen point deficit to come

1929
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 2: from behind and beat a top twenty five ranked Tennessee

1930
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 2: team on the road. That gets Kentucky back into the conversation.

1931
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 2: Kentucky's next game, they play tomorrow night as well. They

1932
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 2: welcome the Texas Longhorns. Sean Millers, Texas Longhorns coming into

1933
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 2: the Rapperina. Of course, what Miami did on Saturday Austin

1934
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 2: against Buffalo last second three that puts them over the hump,

1935
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 2: and not only puts them over the hump for Austin,

1936
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 2: they're now in the top twenty five. Miami is ranked.

1937
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:29,919
Speaker 3: That's correct.

1938
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 2: Will it be short lived? Because they got a good

1939
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 2: test tonight? Can't read, can't write? Kent State waits for

1940
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 2: the current mac leaders. Twenty fifth ranked Miami goes to Kent,

1941
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 2: Ohio to take on the fourteen and four Kent State

1942
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 2: Golden Flashes. This this is the one for me Austin,

1943
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 2: because everything building up for Miami is can they get ranked?

1944
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 2: Can they get ranked? Can they get ranked? And they

1945
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,080
Speaker 2: finally do and they do so by putting a one

1946
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 2: hundred and five points on the board against Buffalo. But

1947
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 2: all that is for nothing, really if you don't find

1948
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 2: a way to beat Kent State. This to me on

1949
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 2: the road right after you've been ranked. This is the

1950
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,759
Speaker 2: hardest test easily of the season so far for Travis

1951
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 2: Steel squad.

1952
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 3: And it's even harder when you consider the promotion that

1953
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 3: Kent State is running.

1954
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 2: What are they doing this?

1955
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 3: What are they doing their coach, coach Cindy I don't

1956
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:34,759
Speaker 3: know his name, Okay, has bought five hundred beers, oh no,

1957
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 3: for the first five hundred students twenty one and over

1958
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 3: for the game tonight at the MAAC Center in Kent.

1959
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 28: Wow.

1960
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,520
Speaker 3: So students must be twenty one with a valid ID obviously,

1961
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 3: but first five hundred students get a complimentary beer courtesy

1962
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 3: of coach center off. Wow, how about that.

1963
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

1964
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 3: That's kind of fun. That's pretty cool. Get people into building,

1965
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 3: So that's pretty cool. Five hundred free beers from coach man.

1966
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 3: I think they're also giving away like a powder blue

1967
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 3: replica jersey. It's supposed to be like a powder blue

1968
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 3: out nice for Kent State. So, I mean, obviously they're

1969
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 3: stacked in the deck against the RedHawks to see how

1970
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 3: they respond.

1971
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 2: No other changes really in the top five over the weekend.

1972
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 2: Arizona one, Yukon one, Michigan one, Perdue one, number six,

1973
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 2: Duke one. How about Nebraska eighteen and oh seven to

1974
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 2: Zer one the Big ten now the Cournhuskers, I don't

1975
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,879
Speaker 2: know anything about the top ten team. Gonzaga won Florida

1976
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 2: won a fun one against Vanderbilt. Texas Tech won a

1977
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 2: good one against BYU, a top twenty five matchup Sparti winners,

1978
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 2: Illinois winners, col Cow beats fourteenth rank North Carolina. North

1979
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 2: Carolina's probably gonna come calling for West here soon if

1980
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:55,799
Speaker 2: Hubert Davis doesn't win more games like that.

1981
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:00,759
Speaker 3: Well, especially if yep, if Cincinnati beats Arizona, if.

1982
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 2: Georgia knocked off Arkansas, Alabama knocked off Oklahoma, Louisville got

1983
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,679
Speaker 2: a huge win one hundred to fifty nine over pitt

1984
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 2: And how about Grand Canyon, not the mule, just the school.

1985
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon beat top twenty five Utah State over the weekend,

1986
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 2: So there you go. It is a loaded Tuesday slate

1987
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 2: of college basketball action. Michigan takes on Indiana. Iowa State

1988
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,799
Speaker 2: dropped all the way to number nine. They host UCF tonight.

1989
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 2: Florida's playing a lot better basketball. Host LSU mentioned the

1990
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 2: Miami Kent State game. There's gonna be some fun basketball

1991
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:43,719
Speaker 2: scary situation. I think Bill self got admitted to the hospital,

1992
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 2: so he's not traveling with Kansas as they had to

1993
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 2: Boulder to take on Colorado tonight as well. But plenty

1994
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on. And of course tomorrow we'll

1995
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 2: talk more about the Bearcats and their chances to head

1996
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 2: to Tucson and try to get a win over the

1997
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 2: Arizona Wildcats. Also happening this week, perhaps some revenge tomorrow night. Xavier,

1998
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 2: coming off a full week off back to back Big

1999
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 2: East wins, they traveled to Creighton. Creighton came into the

2000
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Cintas Center and won ninety eight to fifty seven to

2001
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 2: kick off Big East Play. So this is a better

2002
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 2: Xavier team than they were to start Big East Play

2003
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,800
Speaker 2: and they got a huge opportunity now to go on

2004
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 2: the road and answer the bell and show how far

2005
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 2: they've come against a pretty good Creighton team. Still, we'll

2006
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 2: take a break. We're done talking about some college hoops,

2007
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 2: unless you want to call in and talk about college hoops.

2008
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 2: But for now, the Dan Pitcher question you asked Joe

2009
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 2: Daniman has been on top of mind as well for me, Austin.

2010
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,719
Speaker 2: Let's dive into a little bit of that conversation when

2011
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:56,719
Speaker 2: we return right here on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

2012
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 1: Since he three p sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty, welcome back, Since.

2013
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 2: He three sixty. It's ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

2014
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 2: You'd also find us on the iHeart radio app. So

2015
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 2: one of the things that has happened, and I know

2016
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 2: you you hit on this yesterday as well, Austin, is

2017
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 2: that Dan Pitcher has has requested the opportunity to go

2018
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 2: interview for other offensive coordinator positions. This to me, it

2019
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 2: came as a little surprised because I feel like the

2020
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, the the temperature on Dan Pitcher as the

2021
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 2: next head coach somewhere has cooled significantly. But if there's

2022
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 2: anything that I think if Dan Pitcher can take from that,

2023
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 2: it's the understanding of Okay, well, if I'm already around

2024
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 2: some of these openings, the next step for me is

2025
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 2: showing that I can call plays right like, that's just

2026
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 2: it's the next progression. You're getting head coach interviews. I'm

2027
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 2: sure one of the holdups is you haven't really called

2028
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 2: your own plays. So you look at the guys that

2029
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 2: have Liam Cohen very successful offensive coordinator, Very early indications

2030
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 2: are he's going to be a very good head coach.

2031
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson ran one of the most elite offenses in

2032
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 2: football with the Detroit Lions, he called the plays. Ben

2033
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 2: Johnson is now a very successful head coach in the NFL.

2034
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: Both had extremely extremely good results in year one of

2035
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 2: being head coaches. So for Dan Pitcher, the writing is

2036
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 2: on the wall. If you want to end up being

2037
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 2: an NFL head coach, which I'm sure he does, you're

2038
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 2: going to have to call plays and show that you

2039
01:48:55,479 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 2: have that capability. So when Tampa Bay reached out, Dan

2040
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,600
Speaker 2: Pitcher gets the permission because he wants to interview for

2041
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 2: an opportunity to call plays as an offensive coordinator. So

2042
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 2: here's what I here's how I view this. Austin. You

2043
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:18,680
Speaker 2: have an offensive coordinator who didn't even call plays, and

2044
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 2: yet other teams think highly enough of him to want

2045
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 2: to bring him in to interview for their head coaching

2046
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 2: role and to interview for them running an offense in

2047
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 2: an extremely important year for Todd Bowles in Tampa. If

2048
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 2: those two things are true, if you're the Cincinnati Bengals

2049
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 2: and you're Zach Taylor, how are you not coming back

2050
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 2: to Dan Pitcher and say, wait a second, why don't

2051
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 2: you call the plays here? If it's anything more than

2052
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 2: what you asked Joe Danoman? Is it an ego saying

2053
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 2: with Zach Taylor because the way I view that and

2054
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 2: the way Dan Pitcher is obviously viewed by other teams,

2055
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 2: why not make him that guy here Cincinnati? Why not

2056
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 2: relinquish the duties if you're Zach Taylor. It doesn't relinquish

2057
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 2: your in weak preparation, It doesn't relinquish the role that

2058
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 2: you have in the offensive game plan. And I'm sure

2059
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 2: there are pertinent times during the game where you, as

2060
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:19,680
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor can override Dan Pitcher or say hey, run this,

2061
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:24,639
Speaker 2: or let's get him the ball outside of that. Doesn't

2062
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 2: it feel at this point like it'd be a massive

2063
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 2: loss if you lose Dan Pitcher to the same role

2064
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 2: elsewhere because you didn't want to give up play calling duties.

2065
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 2: By the way, former Titans head coach Brian Callahan also

2066
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 2: in the running for that Bucks offensive coordinator job.

2067
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:46,759
Speaker 3: I don't understand why it is such a big deal

2068
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 3: for teams to hire a head coach that calls plays.

2069
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 3: If just a short list John and Jim Harball, they

2070
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,719
Speaker 3: don't call plays, Mike Tomlin doesn't call places, Mike Vrabel

2071
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 3: doesn't call plays. Kevin Stefanski gave up play calling. Sean

2072
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 3: McDermott does not call place. Nick Sirianni does not call plays.

2073
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell, up until this year, did not call plays.

2074
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 3: Those are some of the best coaches in the NFL now. Obviously,

2075
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 3: on the flip side of that, Andy Reid has called plays.

2076
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 3: Sean McVay maybe the best caller. Those guys one year in.

2077
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 3: I think it's too early for me to feel overwhelmingly

2078
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 3: confident in them. But you're right. There's also been guys

2079
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 3: like Brian Callahan, who got fired after a year and

2080
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,760
Speaker 3: a half of calling the place. There's been plenty of

2081
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 3: coaches that have called the plays in now.

2082
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 2: Brian was hired without ever calling plays in Cincinnati.

2083
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 3: I know, but still such a big deal he called

2084
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 3: plays he got fired.

2085
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 2: Right, So that might be a case study on why

2086
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:44,839
Speaker 2: Dan Pitcher has to call play somewhere.

2087
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 3: Maybe, But I think maybe there's a little bit too

2088
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 3: much put on the idea of you have to have

2089
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 3: play calling experience to be a head coach.

2090
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 2: I disagree in the sense that I don't think it's

2091
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:00,679
Speaker 2: more the play calling itself. I think it's more showing

2092
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 2: what you can handle at the level that you're asked

2093
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 2: to being handled. It's a different role if you're the

2094
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 2: OC that doesn't call plays, or you're the OC because

2095
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 2: now you're in the action. Now you've got to make

2096
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 2: split second decisions. You've got to make first down, second down,

2097
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 2: third down, You've got to make in game adjustments. You

2098
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 2: don't really get to see that if you're not the

2099
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,679
Speaker 2: one calling plays. And maybe Dan Pitcher has a huge

2100
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 2: hand in that during the game and during the week,

2101
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 2: and I would expec I would I would think he does.

2102
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 2: I would expect that. But to me, I think it's

2103
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,879
Speaker 2: more so like Dan Pitcher could have got the Cleveland

2104
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 2: job and hired his own OC. I think it's more about, like,

2105
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 2: if I'm hiring someone, I want to see how that

2106
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 2: person does in uncomfortable situations. I want to see how

2107
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 2: that person does with his back against the wall. I

2108
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 2: want to see what that person does if if he

2109
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 2: goes a half and is not doing well, can he

2110
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:52,640
Speaker 2: make the endgame adjustments. I think there's something to be

2111
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 2: said about having that experience in doing so that prepares

2112
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 2: you to be a better head coach, regardless if you're

2113
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 2: going to call the plays or not in that head

2114
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 2: coaching role. And I agree, I think there are good

2115
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 2: case studies to both. I think one that would show

2116
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 2: that the importance of Dan Pitcher joining is how Brian

2117
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 2: Callahan didn't work out so quickly in Tennessee.

2118
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:15,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't know, like if there is an

2119
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 3: immediate like translation to that. Like we've seen a lot

2120
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:24,559
Speaker 3: of coaches. People complain constantly about Zach Taylor calling plays.

2121
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,839
Speaker 3: People complain in Cleveland a lot about Kevin Stefanski calling plays.

2122
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,680
Speaker 3: There's been a ton of complaints across the league for

2123
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 3: coaches who are asked to ultimately give up play calling duties.

2124
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 3: So what exactly is like the translation, like, is it

2125
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:42,639
Speaker 3: because you can't do it well? Then how'd you get

2126
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 3: the job in the first place? And I think, and

2127
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,600
Speaker 3: I'm calling for Zach to give him up so that

2128
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 3: he can be a better CEO on game days and

2129
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 3: get the operation cleaned up. And you know, for the

2130
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:57,639
Speaker 3: first couple of years that wasn't as big of a problem.

2131
01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 3: It's getting to be more of a problem now.

2132
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:00,760
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2133
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 3: It's an imperfect science, to say the least, but I

2134
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 3: just wonder why. And I get the point you're trying

2135
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 3: to make. It just to me feels like a little

2136
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 3: bit too much is being put on the idea of Okay,

2137
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:12,759
Speaker 3: this guy can call plays.

2138
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2139
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 2: I think it's just I think it's easier to talk

2140
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 2: about the game. I think it's easier to show your

2141
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 2: knowledge of the position of the offense. I think it's

2142
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 2: easier to to scheme in a meeting setting. I think

2143
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 2: it's harder when you're going against someone else who is

2144
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: game planning specifically against you, and you're the one that

2145
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 2: has to make that call play in and play out.

2146
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 2: I think that goes a value to it.

2147
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 3: Some transparency about what the actually does.

2148
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 2: He doesn't get to ultimately make the play call.

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01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 3: I know, but like that's what I'm saying, Well, what

2150
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 3: does he do? That's what these teams, That's what these

2151
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 3: teams want to know. I get it. I mean I

2152
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 3: would like to know that too. So let me if

2153
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 3: if Zach Taylor is so comfortable and I understand Zach's

2154
01:54:58,160 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 3: not going to get in the way of a guy

2155
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 3: trying to go be a head coach, and he shouldn't,

2156
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 3: but if Zach is so comfortable with him leaving, then

2157
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 3: what really is his role? You know?

2158
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think is what would be fascinating to me,

2159
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 2: because I think ultimately Dan Pitcher knows that he's familiar

2160
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 2: with the situation in Cincinnati, and if he's got the

2161
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 2: opportunity to call place here, he would be crazy not

2162
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 2: to because he knows this system so well. What I

2163
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 2: would want to know if he knocks it out of

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01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 2: the park in Tampa and Bowle says, hey, we want

2165
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 2: you to be our offensive coordinator. You have play calling duties,

2166
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 2: you have control of the offensive side of the ball.

2167
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the defense. You know, go with it

2168
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 2: how you will. Does Dan Pitcher turn around and say, Hey, Zach,

2169
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 2: they've given me this opportunity. Obviously, I love what I

2170
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 2: have here in Cincinnati. Do I have this ability here?

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01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 2: I would be fascinated to see what the Bengals say, sure,

2172
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 2: because if Zach were to be like, all right, good

2173
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 2: luck in Tampa, then I think you maybe lean on

2174
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Speaker 2: the side of maybe a little ego. If Zach comes

2175
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:14,840
Speaker 2: back and says, wait a second, Tampa wants you to

2176
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 2: run everything on their offensive side of the ball, and

2177
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,480
Speaker 2: they've got a good group of young wide receivers and

2178
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 2: some veterans in Baker Mayfield and in a good offensive line,

2179
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 2: and they think highly of you enough, Okay, I'm gonna

2180
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 2: put the ego aside. You're that guy in Cincinnati, then

2181
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:32,600
Speaker 2: I think he stays here. But I think it's fascinating.

2182
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:34,720
Speaker 2: We might never get to that moment because he might

2183
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 2: interview in Tampa, then the job might go to somewhere else.

2184
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 2: But if he's given that opportunity and he pushes it

2185
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 2: back on the Bengal and say, Okay, you're going to

2186
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 2: lose me if I don't get to be the one

2187
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 2: calling place, what do the Bengals do?

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Speaker 18: Quote?

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01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 3: We are taking a hard look at everything we do

2190
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 3: as we approached this offseason with focused determination to build

2191
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 3: a championship caliber roster that wins consistently. We are fully

2192
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 3: committed to delivering results that match the pride, passionate expectations

2193
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 3: of this organization and fan base. In close end quote

2194
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 3: Mike Brown, taking a hard look at everything would be

2195
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:18,960
Speaker 3: this type of stuff.

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01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 4: Yep.

2197
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Speaker 3: And I can't help but think there is some ego involved.

2198
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 3: I wish there was more clarity on what the process

2199
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 3: is like, because it's collaborative and that's cool, and it's

2200
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 3: very collaborative throughout the week, but on game days, Zach

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Speaker 3: is the guy. I just wish that there was a

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01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:39,880
Speaker 3: bit of a better understanding. And I remember when Brian

2203
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 3: Callahan kept getting passed over for these jobs. Zach Taylor

2204
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 3: had mentioned that he thought about giving up play calling

2205
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 3: to Brian Callahan because he felt like it was holding

2206
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 3: him back. If you're gonna lose Dan Pitcher either way,

2207
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 3: why not give him the chance? And if it goes poorly, Zach,

2208
01:57:57,880 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 3: you can just take it back.

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Speaker 2: No, it's hard to tell, like, did that affect in

2210
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 2: a negative way Brian Callahan's opportunity in Tennessee? Did it

2211
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 2: hurt him that he did not have the ability to

2212
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 2: call plays? And he went to Tennessee and he got

2213
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:15,520
Speaker 2: this young number one overall quarterback in cam Warden. There

2214
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 2: were some bright spots, but overall it was viewed as

2215
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 2: a failure. They moved on rather quickly. Does that have

2216
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 2: something to do with it? And if so, then you're

2217
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 2: going to see a guy like Dan Pitcher say Okay,

2218
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go down that same path. I'm

2219
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:29,120
Speaker 2: gonna go elsewhere and I'm gonna get the experience. And again,

2220
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:31,640
Speaker 2: I think it would be a big miss and a

2221
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:34,960
Speaker 2: big overlook by the Cincinnati Bengals if they were to

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01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 2: look at that and say now we're gonna keep it

2223
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:43,600
Speaker 2: with Zach. Like there's one thing in continuity, there's another

2224
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 2: thing and just you know, being a little bit over

2225
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 2: the top in it a new and again, I don't

2226
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:51,480
Speaker 2: think it changed the day to day much for Zach

2227
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 2: outside of Sundays, it doesn't. He can just be as

2228
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,920
Speaker 2: involved as he was, his input and at crucial points

2229
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 2: of the game. As I'm sure Andy Redes you kind

2230
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 2: of get that veto power. Are you kind of a

2231
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 2: say if, hey, we need to get this going or

2232
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 2: we need to do this, And like you said, there's

2233
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 2: nothing wrong in that scenario to say, hey, it's not working,

2234
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:14,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna make a change. What did Dan Campbell do

2235
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 2: in the middle of the year, Austin, Hey, we gave

2236
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 2: this guy a shot. It's not working. I'm not gonna

2237
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 2: let our season just tank. I'll take I'll take this

2238
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:27,120
Speaker 2: back over. Yeah, at the worst, that's what happens. At

2239
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 2: the best. Dan Pitcher's a genius. He gets his offense.

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Speaker 2: I mean even more than what it.

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01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 3: Was you mentioned the the stat about Joe Burrow and

2242
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 3: the explosive play rate, Like the offense has been good,

2243
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 3: but that's a missing element to this offense. Sure, and

2244
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:44,160
Speaker 3: part of the reason why we talk about the number

2245
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:47,360
Speaker 3: three wide receiver, we talk about tight end and the

2246
01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 3: importance of Chase Brown. Explosive plays in the past game

2247
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 3: and really in the run game too, just haven't happened.

2248
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:56,880
Speaker 3: That is a part of this offense that still needs

2249
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 3: to be unlocked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it. It's to me a fascinating conversation.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that Zach calling the plays is the

2252
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 3: biggest issue that this team has, and I don't. I'm

2253
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 3: not upset with him if he does it. I think

2254
02:00:17,480 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 3: it is an area where they can get better in

2255
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 3: the margins. Yeah, I guess it is impossible to know

2256
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:27,000
Speaker 3: for sure because we don't know what Dan Pitcher is

2257
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 3: like as a play caller. We don't know how the

2258
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 3: process was changed. We don't know anything about the process

2259
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 3: as is, to be completely honest. But when you look

2260
02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 3: at everything, and when you're taking a hard look at

2261
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:39,200
Speaker 3: everything you do, I think this is an opportunity where

2262
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:42,960
Speaker 3: you can clean up some of the operation and maybe

2263
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 3: get on a more streamlined, you know, way of communicating

2264
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:50,040
Speaker 3: with your quarterback and on game day and all of it.

2265
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:51,400
Speaker 3: That that just makes more sense.

2266
02:00:53,800 --> 02:00:56,280
Speaker 2: I would also wonder this if Dan Pitcher and I

2267
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:00,520
Speaker 2: know it's if if he leaves, is a simp as

2268
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 2: Callahan comes back to you or are you really evaluated?

2269
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:08,800
Speaker 2: Like let's and I know it it's far down the road.

2270
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 2: Like if my if McDaniel were open and you had

2271
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 2: to be like, hey, you can come call plays here,

2272
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:17,960
Speaker 2: you'd have to kick that tire, right, I mean, say

2273
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 2: what you want about Mike McDaniel as a head coach.

2274
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:23,360
Speaker 2: He's a genius as an OC. You would think like

2275
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 2: that to me is with the injur like because I've

2276
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:27,600
Speaker 2: seen it, like, well, if if Dan Pitcher leaves, there's

2277
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:31,760
Speaker 2: one obvious guy to bring back, is it that obvious

2278
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 2: or is there more opportunities out there? And as we've

2279
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:39,640
Speaker 2: said before, if the offensive coordinator role for the Cincinnati

2280
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:42,000
Speaker 2: Bengals with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T Higgins

2281
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:44,440
Speaker 2: and Chase Brown comes open, I would imagine that's a

2282
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:45,600
Speaker 2: highly sought after role.

2283
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and but again, if if that person's not going

2284
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:55,000
Speaker 3: to call plays correct, are you gonna get Mike? Mike

2285
02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 3: McDaniel would be interested.

2286
02:01:56,160 --> 02:01:57,920
Speaker 2: I would have to be the question that's answered.

2287
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah that I I don't know. I would hope that

2288
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 3: It is not as simple as Brian Callahan, you're the guy,

2289
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 3: Because what would that say to Brad Cragthorpe or Justin

2290
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 3: Roscotti or even Troy Walters, the wide receivers coach. What

2291
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,880
Speaker 3: would it say to those guys who have been there

2292
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:22,120
Speaker 3: and ben grinding and been a part of the process. Oh,

2293
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 3: Calli's available word just bringing him back. And not to

2294
02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 3: say that those guys dislike Brian Callahan or that there's

2295
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:30,520
Speaker 3: any sort of beef there whatsoever, but it does kind

2296
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:34,600
Speaker 3: of feel like that would be skipping their turn. And

2297
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 3: it's not about making everybody happy. It's about doing what's

2298
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:39,720
Speaker 3: best for the football team. And maybe that is what

2299
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:41,920
Speaker 3: would be best for the football team and best for

2300
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and all that. I wonder if I wonder

2301
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,200
Speaker 3: what Joe would say if he was asked about this,

2302
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:53,040
Speaker 3: And you know, I wonder about the exit interview that

2303
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:55,880
Speaker 3: happened between Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor, And if you know,

2304
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 3: the whole idea of Burrow's helmet always going out, is

2305
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:00,400
Speaker 3: that really what it is? Or the play is not

2306
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 3: coming in on time right? And if that's something that

2307
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 3: Joe and Zach have talked about, I.

2308
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:08,920
Speaker 2: Would hope all fascinating things just as much as the

2309
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,120
Speaker 2: roster and what's going to happen this offseason, sticks with

2310
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:13,880
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator role as well. We'll take a break,

2311
02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:15,720
Speaker 2: we'll come back, We'll fit in one more quick segment

2312
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,600
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to Mowegger for quick Kits coming

2313
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Speaker 2: up next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Team thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back since he three to sixty. Just about a

2316
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 2: minute here on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, and

2317
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:47,880
Speaker 2: then we will hear from Moeger, who will join us

2318
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:50,960
Speaker 2: for quick kits. May ask you something about the Bills situation,

2319
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:54,440
Speaker 2: and it was a very emotional Josh Allen after the game.

2320
02:03:55,520 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 2: If if that's your head coach, should you out and

2321
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:02,880
Speaker 2: make a statement? Are you in? Like? Is that part

2322
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:05,879
Speaker 2: of the job if you are Josh Allen in your opinion,

2323
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I understand. Like sure, Josh Allen come

2324
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 2: out and and talk about Sean McDermott Like I was.

2325
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,560
Speaker 2: I was listening and I know that that his takes

2326
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:18,600
Speaker 2: go off the wal time. Stephen A. Smith earlier today

2327
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,200
Speaker 2: was talking about at some point you'd like to hear

2328
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,360
Speaker 2: from Josh Allen about the McDermott firing. Josh Allen very

2329
02:04:24,360 --> 02:04:27,000
Speaker 2: emotional after the loss in a in a setting like

2330
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:31,160
Speaker 2: that where you have an elite, elite quarterback in the NFL,

2331
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 2: is part of that job for them to discuss or

2332
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:36,800
Speaker 2: talk about their head coach being fired.

2333
02:04:36,840 --> 02:04:39,120
Speaker 3: If Stephen A. Smith thinks it should happen, then I

2334
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:43,920
Speaker 3: feel pretty comfortable that I probably shouldn't. I don't know.

2335
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:48,040
Speaker 3: I mean hamblin I know, like themar Hamlin posted a thing.

2336
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:49,160
Speaker 2: I feel like Joe would say something.

2337
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:52,600
Speaker 3: Other coaches have come out and said some stuff. Yeah,

2338
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if he really has to. Okay, they'll they'll,

2339
02:04:56,680 --> 02:04:59,240
Speaker 3: I mean, do they talk. They do the end of

2340
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:03,200
Speaker 3: the year press comp friends. Maybe not. It could happen, Yeah,

2341
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. Obviously talking two months.

2342
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously. We'll spend a lot of time this week

2343
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:12,920
Speaker 2: on the upcoming games in the NFL. This weekend, we'll

2344
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:15,320
Speaker 2: talk about what's going on in college hoops as well.

2345
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,080
Speaker 2: We'll do a little bit of that as well when

2346
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 2: we come back for Quick Hits with Moegar next on

2347
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:21,440
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

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Speaker 1: Since he three.

2349
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 2: Was looking for Mo, no sign of Mo yet, he's

2350
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:31,760
Speaker 2: not here yet.

2351
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:32,480
Speaker 3: That's not good.

2352
02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 2: He's coming in ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome back,

2353
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:39,000
Speaker 2: Happy to have you a lost looking for Moe's in

2354
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:39,480
Speaker 2: the building.

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Speaker 5: I am here.

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Speaker 2: There's an excitement. Yes, yes, could it be about tomorrow night? Yes,

2357
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:51,640
Speaker 2: be about Dan Pitcher. We don't know. Maybe it's about

2358
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:54,600
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Reds. We don't know what it is. But

2359
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:56,280
Speaker 2: he's here and he's ready to go. The Moweggar Show

2360
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 2: comes up next.

2361
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Speaker 5: Let's I feel great. I'm ready to go. I'm excited.

2362
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:01,240
Speaker 5: There's a lot to talk about.

2363
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Speaker 2: What do you got coming up on the show.

2364
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:04,320
Speaker 5: Paul Danner Junior is going to join us to talk

2365
02:06:04,360 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 5: about Dan Pitcher. Everybody's worried about Dan Pitcher going to

2366
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:10,360
Speaker 5: the Bucks. Everybody's worried about Dan Pitcher leaving, and we

2367
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:13,640
Speaker 5: should be because I don't understand why they're gonna let

2368
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:15,640
Speaker 5: him go. I don't understand why they're gonna let him

2369
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 5: go for a lateral move. This doesn't make any sense

2370
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 5: to me. We'll talk about this with Paul and the move.

2371
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:25,000
Speaker 5: I wish the Bengals were in a position to make that.

2372
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,160
Speaker 5: They're not, but the move, I wish they were in

2373
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 5: a position to make coming up with Paul. In the

2374
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:33,960
Speaker 5: three o'clock hour, Terry Francona says, we're not gonna lead

2375
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:37,640
Speaker 5: the league in runs, and that's okay. What's not okay

2376
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:41,080
Speaker 5: is the fact that the Reds seem to be okay

2377
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 5: with not leading the league in runs. We will tap

2378
02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,120
Speaker 5: into that. We'll talk about Elie de la Cruz Panic

2379
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:50,800
Speaker 5: Indiana football. There's something instructive when it comes to hiring

2380
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:54,120
Speaker 5: a coach, and you see it with Kurt Sinnetti all

2381
02:06:54,160 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 5: away on on Lance's question about what the more impressive

2382
02:06:56,840 --> 02:06:59,680
Speaker 5: feet is seventy six IU basketball.

2383
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:03,040
Speaker 2: Versus first kurtz Signetti.

2384
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:06,160
Speaker 5: I you football, and we'll talk sports and law and

2385
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:11,160
Speaker 5: point shaving at four thirty five with attorney Stuart W. Penrose.

2386
02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:13,880
Speaker 2: The Dan Pitcher thing should be a little simpler than

2387
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:16,520
Speaker 2: we're making it out to be. If Tampa views him

2388
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:18,840
Speaker 2: well enough to say, hey, come call place for us,

2389
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 2: and other teams are viewing him without calling place here

2390
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:24,240
Speaker 2: as a head coaching candidate, maybe he should be the

2391
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:25,280
Speaker 2: one to get to call play.

2392
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:27,880
Speaker 5: It's a simple question for Zach Taylor. Do you value

2393
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:30,920
Speaker 5: Dan Pitcher? Yes? Do you value him enough to give

2394
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:33,400
Speaker 5: up play calling, and if the answer is no, okay,

2395
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:35,680
Speaker 5: big boy, then the pressure intensifies.

2396
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:38,760
Speaker 2: Austin asked Joe Danaman this earlier. If not, does that

2397
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,640
Speaker 2: become an ego thing with Joe Daneman, because, as Austin.

2398
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Speaker 5: Pointed to Dan, Joe Danaman has no ego.

2399
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:46,440
Speaker 2: Well, as Austin pointed out, Zach Taylor said of Duke

2400
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:49,560
Speaker 2: Tobin that he's got no ego. He loves working with him. Yeah,

2401
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:51,120
Speaker 2: if you're not willing to give up the play calling

2402
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:54,560
Speaker 2: duties for the betterment of the offense, would that be

2403
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:55,040
Speaker 2: an ego?

2404
02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 5: I guess We've talked about this for years, and I

2405
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 5: think the most over rate part of the coaching discourse

2406
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:07,440
Speaker 5: is play calling. You know what goes into calling a play?

2407
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:10,880
Speaker 5: I don't so whenever you know, I'm sitting in a

2408
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,960
Speaker 5: three hundred level of the venue formerly known as Paul

2409
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,640
Speaker 5: Brown Stadium, and folks are complaining about play calling, I

2410
02:08:16,680 --> 02:08:18,680
Speaker 5: go they ever called a play even though it goes

2411
02:08:19,240 --> 02:08:22,240
Speaker 5: I think it's the most sort of overblown part of

2412
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:26,000
Speaker 5: what we do. I am more focused on the effectiveness

2413
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:28,920
Speaker 5: and efficiency of the offense. And while the Bengals do

2414
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,800
Speaker 5: have a very good offense, there have been times over

2415
02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 5: the last six years where despite the weaponry, it feels

2416
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:39,160
Speaker 5: like the offense doesn't function as smoothly and as efficiently

2417
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 5: as it should. We've talked about this, all three of

2418
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 5: us getting the play in and you know, the urgency

2419
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:48,480
Speaker 5: they didn't operate with in the Baltimore game. I have

2420
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:52,160
Speaker 5: always wondered, could it operate a little bit more efficiently

2421
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:57,920
Speaker 5: if Zach Taylor was just managing the game and so's

2422
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:01,680
Speaker 5: That's always been where I've started from. I cannot imagine

2423
02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:04,400
Speaker 5: why you wouldn't say, you know, here's this guy who

2424
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:09,120
Speaker 5: we value, and there's this question about offensive efficiency, why

2425
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:12,200
Speaker 5: not just try it. Yeah, By the way, you can

2426
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 5: take play calling duties away from him. Dan Pitcher did

2427
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 5: it with his Y Campbell. Yeah. Dan Campbell did with

2428
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:21,600
Speaker 5: his offensive coordinator this year. If you really value Dan Pitcher,

2429
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:24,160
Speaker 5: and all I hear about is how awesome Dan Pitcher is.

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02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:24,320
Speaker 24: OK.

2431
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:27,320
Speaker 5: If he's that awesome, is he worth letting get away?

2432
02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 5: Because you insist on calling plays?

2433
02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:31,320
Speaker 2: And I also think there's an idea to it that

2434
02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 2: you know you still have control in game. Sure, Keith down,

2435
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:36,600
Speaker 2: fourth down? You could come in and say, hey, we

2436
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:38,480
Speaker 2: need to get so and so a touch here, or.

2437
02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:42,000
Speaker 5: Hey, this series, we need to eat some clock our defenses.

2438
02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:43,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you still get a set.

2439
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 5: Hey, let's make sure we're running the ball here. I mean,

2440
02:09:45,480 --> 02:09:46,560
Speaker 5: you have veto power.

2441
02:09:46,640 --> 02:09:49,160
Speaker 2: Everything during the week stays the same. You're still involved

2442
02:09:49,160 --> 02:09:49,920
Speaker 2: in the game planning.

2443
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:52,000
Speaker 5: You have you have veto power. I mean, I've heard

2444
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:54,800
Speaker 5: stories about Marvin Lewis, a defensive guy, getting in the

2445
02:09:54,840 --> 02:09:57,640
Speaker 5: headset going like, hey, let's make sure we're running a

2446
02:09:57,680 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 5: play to the right because our tight end is doing

2447
02:09:59,360 --> 02:09:59,760
Speaker 5: a good job.

2448
02:09:59,800 --> 02:09:59,960
Speaker 32: Lock.

2449
02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:02,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, you can still you can still say you

2450
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:05,040
Speaker 5: know what I'm calling a play this series? Dan, put

2451
02:10:05,080 --> 02:10:05,840
Speaker 5: your headset away.

2452
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:06,280
Speaker 2: Take that.

2453
02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:09,800
Speaker 5: I just to me, if you really value the guy really?

2454
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:12,040
Speaker 5: I guess what I want to know is, hey, if

2455
02:10:12,040 --> 02:10:14,360
Speaker 5: you really value the guy, isn't worth letting him get

2456
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:17,360
Speaker 5: away because you insist on calling plays and b what

2457
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:20,360
Speaker 5: happens if Brian Callahan gets hired by somebody else and

2458
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:23,480
Speaker 5: Dan Pitcher gets hired by somebody else? Then what huh?

2459
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:24,320
Speaker 5: Then what are we doing?

2460
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:27,840
Speaker 2: Saturday? Was fun? Saturday was a blessed and had a

2461
02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:31,280
Speaker 2: chance to talk since then awesome. I mentioned this earlier.

2462
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:35,520
Speaker 2: Dada and JIZZL were awesome together sincere Harris to me

2463
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:38,360
Speaker 2: like there were times that felt like Lipsey, who's one

2464
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:41,440
Speaker 2: of the top point didn't want the ball like that

2465
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 2: type of play. Now again offensive side of the ball,

2466
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:47,200
Speaker 2: it like a crash test dummy going to the basket.

2467
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:49,240
Speaker 2: I hold my breath every time since her Harris goes

2468
02:10:49,240 --> 02:10:52,360
Speaker 2: to the basket. But the type of intensity and physicality

2469
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:54,400
Speaker 2: that he played with and this team has played with,

2470
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 2: I think it adds on to something you and I

2471
02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:59,160
Speaker 2: talked about last week. While they've gone through rough patches,

2472
02:10:59,720 --> 02:11:03,120
Speaker 2: you can't question this team's effort. No, and they've played

2473
02:11:03,160 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 2: with great effort. They've just found a way in the

2474
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 2: last two to actually finish games. And there were points Saturday,

2475
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:10,240
Speaker 2: Trust me, it felt like here we go again.

2476
02:11:10,280 --> 02:11:13,640
Speaker 5: When Harris missed the dunk. Oh they were up thirteen.

2477
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:14,120
Speaker 2: To go up fifteen.

2478
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:16,280
Speaker 5: Then it went to six, and I'm thinking that's going

2479
02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 5: to be the play. I think Saturday is the first

2480
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:20,880
Speaker 5: time where I felt like this is what it's supposed

2481
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:23,960
Speaker 5: to look like. Yeah, here's what everybody's role is. Keishan

2482
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:26,760
Speaker 5: Tillery gave him good minutes off the bench, which you

2483
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:29,160
Speaker 5: know he's not playing as much. If you have kerk Creas's.

2484
02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:32,240
Speaker 5: So their death was tested and they answered the test.

2485
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 5: You got a sense of what everybody is supposed to do.

2486
02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 5: You know, the whole they play hard thing. We've talked

2487
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:40,280
Speaker 5: about it. You don't get credit for that, but I

2488
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:43,920
Speaker 5: think to me, it's more about focus all this noise. Yeah,

2489
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:46,720
Speaker 5: we've had discussions off Ara, like if this continues, what

2490
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:49,880
Speaker 5: is it going to look like? Well, amid all the noise,

2491
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:51,960
Speaker 5: I even think you could say this in the game

2492
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 5: against UCF, which they lost, it hasn't felt like the

2493
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:55,520
Speaker 5: team's focus.

2494
02:11:55,560 --> 02:11:55,840
Speaker 2: Waiver.

2495
02:11:57,600 --> 02:12:00,680
Speaker 5: Look, the reality is they're ten and eight. It's probably

2496
02:12:00,720 --> 02:12:02,600
Speaker 5: too little, too late. Let's just call it what it is.

2497
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:04,800
Speaker 2: It is. But I will be insufferable if they win

2498
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 2: tomorrow night, of course, I mean I will be.

2499
02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:08,480
Speaker 9: But like.

2500
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:14,760
Speaker 5: It unfortunately is too late. But had the losing continued

2501
02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:19,760
Speaker 5: and had the focus dropped, Wes would have taken even

2502
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:22,480
Speaker 5: more heat than he's already gotten. Yeah, if you're going

2503
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:24,600
Speaker 5: to do that, then you have to at least credit

2504
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:28,120
Speaker 5: somebody something, And I think the coach deserves some of that,

2505
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:30,440
Speaker 5: and I think those players deserve some of that for

2506
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:31,520
Speaker 5: how they've hung in there.

2507
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:33,800
Speaker 2: And you saw them in the locker room celebration too.

2508
02:12:34,120 --> 02:12:39,040
Speaker 5: Yes, and now you're at least looking forward to tomorrow. Yes.

2509
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 5: If they're zero to five in the league, it's dread.

2510
02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:43,360
Speaker 2: Arizona's got to lose at some point.

2511
02:12:43,480 --> 02:12:45,240
Speaker 5: Why not tomorrow on their own floor.

2512
02:12:45,240 --> 02:12:47,600
Speaker 2: There's also the whole Seana bive thing, and I'm kind

2513
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:50,080
Speaker 2: of past it at this point. Yeah, Wes played eight guys.

2514
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:53,040
Speaker 2: Cele esteem was hot. He stayed with him. Not something

2515
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:54,960
Speaker 2: I've had a gripe with in the past of it

2516
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:57,520
Speaker 2: feels like gets regimented. Stick with the hot hand, stick

2517
02:12:57,560 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 2: with the guy that's given you good minutes. It because

2518
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:02,360
Speaker 2: I've been asked a lot about a five. I don't

2519
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:04,880
Speaker 2: know what's going on with a five and it's playing time.

2520
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,040
Speaker 2: But what I do know is even when Kirk Cresen

2521
02:13:07,160 --> 02:13:10,280
Speaker 2: was out, Tillery's minutes were still getting cut. Yeah, Tillary,

2522
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:12,920
Speaker 2: I was understanding he's working his tailoff and he looked

2523
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:15,440
Speaker 2: like it. And then you get nineteen minutes and you

2524
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:18,160
Speaker 2: play a great game, like just because of Bib's not playing.

2525
02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 2: It's hard when you're a fire you gotta go work harder. Yeah,

2526
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:23,880
Speaker 2: go practice better. It create those habits to where they

2527
02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:24,760
Speaker 2: can't keep you off the court.

2528
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:28,000
Speaker 5: I'm sure Sean Abie is highly compensated. It doesn't matter.

2529
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:32,080
Speaker 5: Play the best guys. So Sean, go earn your minutes

2530
02:13:32,120 --> 02:13:34,080
Speaker 5: back m h. And so if things are a little

2531
02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:37,720
Speaker 5: bit more competitive, I just when they lost to UCF,

2532
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:41,120
Speaker 5: I'm going, okay, play Colorado, play Iowa State if they're

2533
02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 5: zero and five. Oh now, Like I'm excited to see

2534
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:47,720
Speaker 5: how they play tomorrow. I'm excited to see if if

2535
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 5: the improvement continues, and if they can make it competitive

2536
02:13:50,680 --> 02:13:54,400
Speaker 5: against Arizona State. They will be big underdogs. That Arizona

2537
02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:55,040
Speaker 5: team is.

2538
02:13:55,120 --> 02:13:59,480
Speaker 2: A ball, like they don't score a lot from three. No,

2539
02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:01,640
Speaker 2: but normally what what beats us?

2540
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:02,880
Speaker 22: Again?

2541
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:07,880
Speaker 5: Like I'm in, I'm excited for the game tomorrow. Unfortunately,

2542
02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:11,400
Speaker 5: you're you're trying to undo that Q four.

2543
02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:14,680
Speaker 2: LOSSYP even if you just take Eastern Michigan off, there's

2544
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:20,640
Speaker 2: a path that crushes them tonight. Kent State's coach Austin

2545
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:22,640
Speaker 2: said he's buying five hundred free beers for the student

2546
02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 2: section rackets environment. Kent State's fourteen and four five and one.

2547
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:29,840
Speaker 2: It feels like Miami has worked so hard to get

2548
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:32,600
Speaker 2: ranked and there's been so much build up. Yes, now

2549
02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:34,839
Speaker 2: you got to go win a tough game, yes, because

2550
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:37,320
Speaker 2: if not, it gets all taken away right away. That

2551
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:40,160
Speaker 2: is a hard task on the road tonight for Travis d.

2552
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:42,160
Speaker 5: It is Kent State's loss one game in the MAC

2553
02:14:42,240 --> 02:14:46,320
Speaker 5: by two points. Free beer for the students. I wonder if,

2554
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,960
Speaker 5: like you know, I've made the wager plus six 't

2555
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:51,040
Speaker 5: eighty will Miami finish undefeat that you can get that

2556
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:54,880
Speaker 5: right now, depending on your favorite sports book. And I

2557
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:57,560
Speaker 5: wonder if Saturday was like, Okay, that's the bullet you

2558
02:14:57,640 --> 02:15:00,600
Speaker 5: have to dodge. The goal isn't to go undefeated. I

2559
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:02,760
Speaker 5: think the goal is to win the Mid American Conference.

2560
02:15:03,320 --> 02:15:06,040
Speaker 5: But I wonder if Saturday is the bullet you dodge,

2561
02:15:06,160 --> 02:15:08,640
Speaker 5: or if Saturday is a precursor for a little bit

2562
02:15:08,680 --> 02:15:11,360
Speaker 5: of a letdown tonight in kent Ohio.

2563
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:13,240
Speaker 2: A little bit of a letdown. What's the panic meter

2564
02:15:13,320 --> 02:15:14,320
Speaker 2: in New York right now?

2565
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:15,080
Speaker 5: It's awful?

2566
02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:15,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

2567
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:17,839
Speaker 5: I hate the fact that that game was on national

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Speaker 5: television yesterday because I was enjoying the fact that I

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Speaker 5: could just watch it and didn't have to talk about

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Speaker 5: it with anybody, you know, just tune in the league

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Speaker 5: pass or who aren't streaming games on Amazon. That bad

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Speaker 5: boy was on NBC yesterday. I hate to say this,

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Speaker 5: I knew they would lose to Phoenix on Saturday. I

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Speaker 5: didn't know they were going to lose the Dallas, but

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Speaker 5: I wasn't surprised.

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Speaker 2: Dallas was playing better.

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Speaker 5: This team is atrocious. They are coming on glued. This

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Speaker 5: didn't happen with the previous coach, who wasn't good enough

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Speaker 5: even on we won five playoff series, wasn't good enough

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Speaker 5: on her tips.

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Speaker 2: Well next in one continuity, No, didn't didn't want to.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to go to we won the NBA Cup. Defensively,

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Speaker 5: they are the worst Knicks team I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: They've been different since they won the NBA Cup.

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Speaker 5: They have been Defensively. I've been watching the Knicks for

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Speaker 5: forty years. They are the worst defensive Knicks team I've

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Speaker 5: ever seen. Now, they'll still be good enough offensively when healthy,

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Speaker 5: to win enough games to make the postseason, probably get

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Speaker 5: home court in the first round. They are a disaster

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Speaker 5: on offense, an absolute abject disaster. And I'm sorry. I'm

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Speaker 5: sorry if you tuned in the Channel five yesterday hoping

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Speaker 5: to watch Shari Palelo and Mike Dartis and Alison Rodgers

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Speaker 5: and Ashley Kirkland and Charlie Clifford. I'm sorry, and the

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Speaker 5: other guy, Kendall, I'm sorry if you tuned in looking

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Speaker 5: for the Channel five news and instead you got that crap.

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Speaker 5: You want to watch Alison Rodgers do the weather, You

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Speaker 5: want to watch Mike Dartis tell you what's going on

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Speaker 5: in the world, and instead you get to watch that crap.

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Speaker 5: You get to watch Josh Hart forget how to play defense.

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Speaker 5: You get to watch Mitchell Robinson throwing balls off the

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Speaker 5: bottom of the rimy. You get to watch Mike Brown

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Speaker 5: standing up with a goofy grin on his face as

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Speaker 5: Jason Kids running circles around him. My apologies to the

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Speaker 5: Channel five audience. You deserve better that.

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Speaker 2: And so much more next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports Station. Thanks moo, have a great show. Thanks have

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Speaker 2: a great rest of your Tuesday. We'll do it again tomorrow.

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Speaker 17: Wck wise