Speaker 1: Don't want to be an Americandi.
Speaker 2: There we go back half the week, get effect here
Speaker 2: seven hundred wlwt in the weather looking good. No, but
Speaker 2: there are some storm clouds right now over the top
Speaker 2: of city Hall. So the city comes out with a servi.
Speaker 2: They ask Cincinnatians what do you like? What do you dislike?
Speaker 2: And it came out that Cincinnatis are frustrated. We've got potholes,
Speaker 2: we've got bad roads, we got rising crime, at least
Speaker 2: the perception of violence downtown and elsewhere, shootings at Riverfront
Speaker 2: Live and beyond. We've got quality of life that is
Speaker 2: not so good. And in light of that, council just
Speaker 2: voted by the narrowest of margins to spend eight million
Speaker 2: dollars on River Bend two point zero anyway, And the
Speaker 2: sponsor that bill joins the show now on seven hundred
Speaker 2: w that would be Anna Alby, who is in the
Speaker 2: bunker right now. She's in the bunker. There's incoming flak
Speaker 2: from her own party. She's under fire. She's under fire. Anna,
Speaker 2: I'll be welcome to the show. How are you hey?
Speaker 3: Good morning, good morning. I appreciate that opting to be
Speaker 3: here today about this great new music venue. We're going
Speaker 3: to get in Cincinnati, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So let's begin with that. There were I mentioned
Speaker 2: the eight economic indicators suggested a fewer people visited downtown
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five over twenty twenty four. Could that
Speaker 2: be the economy?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 2: Could it be the crime spike and the perception that
Speaker 2: Cincinnati is dystopian from the suburban nights, that you need
Speaker 2: to come in every so often and pay for stuff
Speaker 2: through the form of taxes. A bus ridership dropped in
Speaker 2: the core weekdays are down street cars down Bank's amenity
Speaker 2: fever at their revenue dropped eleven percent year over year.
Speaker 2: Certainly the hamlet County South tex grew six percent, but
Speaker 2: it didn't appear to reach downtown businesses. So people in residence.
Speaker 2: You asked the survey and the number roads number one
Speaker 2: among the thirteen city services, and it was dead last
Speaker 2: and satisfaction. We're going to see, as you know, with
Speaker 2: the snow now gone, it's pothole hell in Cincinnati. We're
Speaker 2: about ten years behind fixing this whole thing. But that's
Speaker 2: the truth. The optics are that you guys are taking
Speaker 2: money to spa on a music venue and not take
Speaker 2: care into the roads. How do you defend that.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, we so thank you for bringing up the survey.
Speaker 3: I do want to also highlight, you know, last year
Speaker 3: was an interesting time because the Convention Center was also construction,
Speaker 3: so under construction. So hoping now that that's up and
Speaker 3: running and you know, well and in a couple of
Speaker 3: years here at the hotel back online. These are the
Speaker 3: types of investments a city really needs to make to
Speaker 3: make sure that we do have that exciting urban core
Speaker 3: that people have something to come down to and spend
Speaker 3: their money at. So these are all big investments that
Speaker 3: we make at the city. And so this the next venue,
Speaker 3: the Farmer Music Center with River Bend two point zero,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, is going to be
Speaker 3: one of those big marquee attractions. You know, I'm absolutely
Speaker 3: throughout the previous River Bend, which I think we all
Speaker 3: knew and loved and I spent many well that I mean,
Speaker 3: I've got some good, good memory from Warp Tour back.
Speaker 5: In the day.
Speaker 6: But you won.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was out out of the out the city
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati was in you know, Anderson. The new Farmer
Speaker 3: Center is going to Music Center is going to be
Speaker 3: in the city, which means we are going to benefit
Speaker 3: from earning stacks, so when people are working jobs there,
Speaker 3: but then also the emission stack, the pickettack, so as
Speaker 3: musical acts and attractions are putting on performance there, the
Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati gets this slice of that. And so
Speaker 3: looking at this is a huge investment for the Cincinnati
Speaker 3: Symphony Orchestra. The one hundred and sixty million dollar price
Speaker 3: tag for this new facility here, and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: great the city of Cincinnati. We're putting an eight million
Speaker 3: We are going to earn those dollars back in like
Speaker 3: five years, and then we are one to continue to
Speaker 3: make that money for the rest of the life of
Speaker 3: this venue. And that's strep dollars into the city budget, right.
Speaker 3: And on top of that, you've got to quote economic impact,
Speaker 3: which the indicators show that we're expecting one hundred million
Speaker 3: dollars of economic impact. So to your kind of key
Speaker 3: up around people coming down town, I know this is
Speaker 3: a quite downtown Cincinnati, and visitors are going to stay
Speaker 3: at our hotels, go to our restaurants, visit our small businesses,
Speaker 3: go to our museum center. Do all of those things
Speaker 3: that I love about Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: One may ask, though an all but is that okay,
Speaker 2: it's not like this is a brand new bill. Now
Speaker 2: you're making it bigger and better and better, absolutely, and
Speaker 2: which is way overneeded because you go and you look,
Speaker 2: it looks kind of tired in there. It's still a
Speaker 2: great quest. Yeah, you get a great, great play. You know,
Speaker 2: the bathrooms are hard to get to and and uh,
Speaker 2: it needs it needs a little jugien up. There's not
Speaker 2: even the River Bend. People say that I and it's
Speaker 2: such a crown jewel. You're right about keeping that going.
Speaker 2: But I guess the question I would have is this
Speaker 2: is not a new bill. This is not new revenue coming.
Speaker 2: And maybe slightly if you had a more stage and
Speaker 2: more many of these maybe get bigger action. But you're
Speaker 2: saying that this is going to be a big boon
Speaker 2: to the economy. But the boon's already there, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you may see a little bit of an
Speaker 2: increase in revenue, but it ain't. It's not going to
Speaker 2: be like new revenue because River Bends already existing.
Speaker 3: It's a new stage. So the River Bend that you
Speaker 3: and I know and love is going offline, and the
Speaker 3: Farmer Music Center is going to be a new State,
Speaker 3: a new amphitheater with seating for up to twenty thousand people.
Speaker 3: I don't know the exact seating of Old River Bend,
Speaker 3: but I know this is going to be larger, and
Speaker 3: that means you can attract bigger acts, right, more people
Speaker 3: coming to putting Cincinnati on their summer tour lineup. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I go to
Speaker 3: look up a favorite artist in the nearest place they
Speaker 3: are is Columbus or Lobo or Indianapolis. Right, So we
Speaker 3: can have the opportunity here to be that summer destination
Speaker 3: for those summer acts that are going on tour.
Speaker 2: I guess the pushback there would be kind of a
Speaker 2: little bit about this with you know, Live Nation, Ticketmaster
Speaker 2: and all those things are into the business. Anna, is
Speaker 2: that the problem that I hear from promoters is that
Speaker 2: the big acts and I'm talking like you know, the
Speaker 2: Foo Fighter stuff like that, right, big big acts beyond it,
Speaker 2: they want one hundred percent of the gate. The problem
Speaker 2: is the deal is that MEBI takes like thirty five
Speaker 2: percent off the top, and that's why they go to
Speaker 2: other states, not here. Not all the reasons, but one
Speaker 2: of the main reasons, how does that remedy this.
Speaker 7: Hey, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know about me and ized revenue stream exact.
Speaker 3: I don't know the details there. But when you're talking
Speaker 3: about acts that day, right, Beyonce can Philip hey Court, right,
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift effect, and I think we would all love
Speaker 3: for a Beyonce concert here, right, So then you're in
Speaker 3: a difference.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we're of a stadium like Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: But the point is that if they're taking a more
Speaker 2: than a third off the top and the premioer's like, well,
Speaker 2: we want one hundred percent of the gate for the
Speaker 2: bigger X. Is that why we don't get the bigger AX?
Speaker 2: Is that a question you asked?
Speaker 3: There are so many acts though that that aren't the
Speaker 3: Beyonces of the world, that we still want to come here.
Speaker 3: This will be a destination.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: And honestly, like, there is nothing better than enjoying a
Speaker 3: wonderful summer day watching musical acts. It's one of my
Speaker 3: favorite things. And to be able to be also a
Speaker 3: home for the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, the opera, the ballet hopefully.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this, but during COVID times,
Speaker 3: the Opera did performances outside in a park way up
Speaker 3: in Blue ash and I fall carmon there and to
Speaker 3: this day my favorite performance at the opera. It was
Speaker 3: just you take this art form that usually kind of
Speaker 3: in music hall and kind of has that got ro
Speaker 3: to it and brought it to the people, you know,
Speaker 3: on lawn chairs, and it was one of the most
Speaker 3: fun actidomies.
Speaker 2: That's the type of potential. I don't know if the
Speaker 2: model is though, that we're going to see the bigger
Speaker 2: acts because of the way the revenue stream, the way
Speaker 2: of the revenue sharing works. And I'll be council member
Speaker 2: who sponsored a resolution to take eight million dollars and
Speaker 2: I would say fairly an investment, not just giving an
Speaker 2: eight million dollar grant, but she expects a five year
Speaker 2: return on that investment and then in perpetuity. And this
Speaker 2: has got to get done as part of the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty seven budget, which got told July first to get
Speaker 2: this done. So she seth Walsh, Nolan Owens and James
Speaker 2: all voting yes. The nose were council members Jeffrey Kearney, Johnson,
Speaker 2: and Jeffrey Kramerding will be on the show tomorrow to
Speaker 2: kind of respond to this as well. On the no
Speaker 2: side of this thing, we do you face a thirty
Speaker 2: five million dollar general fund deficit, the eight million would
Speaker 2: come from a separate budget. I think there's a distinction
Speaker 2: there that that is emphasized. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I know the mayor came at you pretty hard yesterday
Speaker 2: during the meeting and impressed you on what the actual
Speaker 2: funding app is and specifically why eight million dollars in
Speaker 2: the project is the project game to perceived because you're
Speaker 2: still like one hundred million short.
Speaker 3: Right, great question, Yeah, this is you know, this is
Speaker 3: a big project. The full all in press stag is
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty millions. But along the way there
Speaker 3: are key milestones the CSO needs to meet the keep
Speaker 3: construction going so it can actually open on time. The
Speaker 3: goal is to open this venue spring twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 3: so we got like what twelve to fourteen months here
Speaker 3: to get it done. So you know, this eight million
Speaker 3: helps get to that next key funding milestone to make
Speaker 3: sure that construction is ongoing because you see you also
Speaker 3: probably saw this week the latest reports on the cost
Speaker 3: of the Brent Spence Bridge. Yeah, right, when these things
Speaker 3: drag out costs. Just the loon they get bigger and bigger, right,
Speaker 3: So being able to get this money early and make
Speaker 3: sure the process is going is so vital. And we
Speaker 3: talk about that all the time at city Hall. We
Speaker 3: hear over and over time as money time is money,
Speaker 3: time is money. And in this case, you know, we're
Speaker 3: not talking about housing development or convention center bridge. We're
Speaker 3: talking about a non profit that is bringing on this
Speaker 3: nation leading you know, music venue, bringing that to our city.
Speaker 3: So we got to beither to help our art scene.
Speaker 3: And it's just an extra bonus to me that it's
Speaker 3: such a strong nonprofit leader with the Cincinna Symphony Orchestra.
Speaker 2: Council member Analybe the city manager said, hey, listen, you
Speaker 2: know what we I think the initial thing you said was, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the numbers look good, the profile and the
Speaker 2: city manager's office said, well, we didn't vet the finances,
Speaker 2: we didn't look over this the numbers. We didn't analyze
Speaker 2: us and break it down to see if what you
Speaker 2: were told is accurate. Not that you know you find
Speaker 2: information now, you're not an accountant, you're not the person's
Speaker 2: doing this. You demand reports, you look at them and
Speaker 2: go this is a good investment for the city. The
Speaker 2: city manager says, that didn't happen in this case. What's
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 3: So there were definitely conversations between the city and the CSO,
Speaker 3: and you know, all the numbers that they're sharing with
Speaker 3: us in terms of the total costs, how much they
Speaker 3: fund raise, what the gap is, that's all accurate, and
Speaker 3: part of that is why to in the resolution, we
Speaker 3: had some very technical language that read that this allocation
Speaker 3: will be contingent upon the administration's projects underwriting, standard review process,
Speaker 3: and other conditions appropriate and necessary to guarantee the completion
Speaker 3: of the project. We want to make sure that these
Speaker 3: dollars from the city, they are taxpayer dollars, you know,
Speaker 3: are put to good youth. So we are going to
Speaker 3: do all that due diligence, and yesterday's a resolution, right,
Speaker 3: it's basically a declaration from the City Cincinnati, led by
Speaker 3: five of my council member colleagues, to say this is
Speaker 3: a worthwhile investment. The next steps is this is going
Speaker 3: to be put into the budget priority motion that a
Speaker 3: County member Prime Meeting's office will will lead and then
Speaker 3: that will go to the city manager. The city manager
Speaker 3: and that has a bunch of different priority areas. Right,
Speaker 3: that's where we get to say how much money we
Speaker 3: want to spend on housing, how much we want to
Speaker 3: spend on food access, right, all those things. City manner
Speaker 3: takes all that, puts together the budget and then that
Speaker 3: will come back to the city Council after the mayor
Speaker 3: sees it in come June roughly, and that's when we'll
Speaker 3: vote on it officially. All right, those are out the door.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's important to say. We just didn't give
Speaker 2: eight million dollars. Say here you go. There's got to
Speaker 2: be metrics that are hit before that triggers the eight
Speaker 2: million dollars.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, yep, yep. And making sure we do all
Speaker 3: that due diligence, make sure the contracting is done and
Speaker 3: we have all those terms in that contract to ensure
Speaker 3: that these tax dollars are protected and that we know
Speaker 3: they are going to be put to good use.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 2: So the client claim that there's no pro former here,
Speaker 2: meaning that no one has examined the numbers and kicked
Speaker 2: it around to see how accurate they are and if
Speaker 2: indeed the eight million dollar investment will be turned in
Speaker 2: five six years. So the claim that the city's just
Speaker 2: handing out eight million dollars with no proformance? Is false?
Speaker 7: Correct?
Speaker 1: Right, that's what I.
Speaker 2: Want to say. All that worked, all right, you're doing
Speaker 2: all that stuff. This is just a peremptory vote. Okay,
Speaker 2: I got it. So you know the other question I
Speaker 2: one may have here too, is I heard this, and
Speaker 2: I think people hear this, and as you know, Anna,
Speaker 2: we hear headlines. We don't hear that the in depth story,
Speaker 2: and I think this is fair. Is you hear this
Speaker 2: and go okay, Well, they're giving out eight million dollars.
Speaker 2: The roads are falling apart, crime is rising, the city's
Speaker 2: thirty five million dollars upside down, but we're giving a
Speaker 2: ready rich people eight million dollars. See this somehow gets
Speaker 2: cut to the front of the budget line, which is
Speaker 2: one of the cries effort from at least of other
Speaker 2: council members who voted against this and said, how the
Speaker 2: hell did this get pushed to the top and it
Speaker 2: just kind of came out of nowhere? Is that true?
Speaker 3: No, We've been briefed on this for the past year.
Speaker 3: We've known as coming for a long time, that this
Speaker 3: project was coming, and you know, you mentioned briefly earlier,
Speaker 3: but just to clarify for your listeners. So, the City
Speaker 3: Cincinnati or any government has two budgets, yeah, operating budget
Speaker 3: and a capital budget. The operating budget is like where
Speaker 3: people's salaries come out of, where we fund you know,
Speaker 3: various programs. So some of the food access work that
Speaker 3: I've done that comes out of the operating budget. The
Speaker 3: capital budget, right, those are for things that you can see, touch, feel, right,
Speaker 3: the building stuff. We are really grateful that when it
Speaker 3: comes to things like paving growths, we have those Cincion
Speaker 3: track dollars from selling the railroad and last year we
Speaker 3: allocated twenty million dollars for road repaving. This year we'll
Speaker 3: do twenty one millions. And you know what we found
Speaker 3: out the city literally does not have the capacity get
Speaker 3: those dollars out the door as fast as we are
Speaker 3: allocating them. And that came up this week when the
Speaker 3: Director of Transportation Engineering presented to council about his budget
Speaker 3: priorities going into this year, and you heard a lot
Speaker 3: of us really hone in on the fact that in
Speaker 3: the resident survey, potholes was the number one concern, really
Speaker 3: closely by sidewalks, which is another passion area for me.
Speaker 3: And you heard him say that he's trying to shrink
Speaker 3: the process down for repaving roads from an eighteen month
Speaker 3: process down to twelve, right, so he literally does not
Speaker 3: have the capacity currently to pave the roads as quickly
Speaker 3: as we are allocating money. So we are putting the
Speaker 3: dollars there. The council has done our job, and frankly,
Speaker 3: it is on the City Manager's office at this point
Speaker 3: to improve their operational capacity to get those dollars out
Speaker 3: the door. And that came up in her city manager review.
Speaker 2: Well, this is we've known this. With the railroad money,
Speaker 2: It's going to take you ten years just to catch up.
Speaker 2: That's how far that's how far behind we are in
Speaker 2: repairing potholes and fix the streets.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, and you know what, I'm mad that previous
Speaker 3: you know, city councils didn't allocate the money that they
Speaker 3: needed to along the way. Right this, the third maintenance
Speaker 3: cost is a killer. We're paying playing catchup for decades
Speaker 3: of neglect and it's frustrating. So, you know, I'm grateful
Speaker 3: again to the residents and citizens of Cincinnati for voting
Speaker 3: for that really historic sale of the railroad that gives
Speaker 3: us the resources to we start digging our way out
Speaker 3: of that hole.
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that the matter of those anahobeous is
Speaker 2: you know this is a non binding this is non
Speaker 2: biting vote anyway, So it's going to be voted on
Speaker 2: as council as a hole. The Mayor and four other
Speaker 2: members of the nine on council are not fans of
Speaker 2: this whole thing. They voted against it. The mayor really
Speaker 2: took you to task publicly yesterday. If you heard any
Speaker 2: of those cuts or saw any of the coverage here is.
Speaker 3: That I lived it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lived it. He wanted. He was pretty tough
Speaker 2: on you, and you know you couldn't answer the basic
Speaker 2: question about what the funding gap is. Why eight million dollars,
Speaker 2: whether the project proceeds about the city's money, is that
Speaker 2: why you did that? Four members of council voted against.
Speaker 4: You on this.
Speaker 3: Hey, I want to be really clear. The total price
Speaker 3: tag is one hundred and sixty million. They are CSO
Speaker 3: is sitting at seventy six million in hand now right,
Speaker 3: that is the funding gap. But there are key milestones
Speaker 3: along the way and we this eight million will help
Speaker 3: them get to that next key milestone. They need to
Speaker 3: keep construction going and frankly, the mayor has been briefed
Speaker 3: on that many times, just like I have. And we
Speaker 3: also know that the CFO, you know, is looking at
Speaker 3: state dollars, not just the state capital but you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully dollars get unlocked in that unclaimed funds application process
Speaker 3: is caught up in the courts now, but that's another
Speaker 3: really great opportunity, and we really want to equip the
Speaker 3: cso to be able to go up there make the
Speaker 3: best case that the city is on board. Like, it
Speaker 3: is wild to me that we are having arguments about
Speaker 3: you know, process of you know, when when this resolution
Speaker 3: was done versus not when we are talking about a
Speaker 3: major investment that's going to pay back, pay us back
Speaker 3: in five years and those dollars, Just to be clear,
Speaker 3: we're making an investment out of those capital fund dollars,
Speaker 3: but the revenue we're getting back is into the operating fund,
Speaker 3: which is what can go towards that deficit you've been
Speaker 3: alluding to the whole time, Right, So these are dollars
Speaker 3: coming back to address that thirty million dollar deficit back
Speaker 3: to us. Right, We are going to get that money
Speaker 3: back in five within five years and then forever, I
Speaker 3: mean I just don't know who looking at that says
Speaker 3: that that's, you know, not a great idea.
Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of questions. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of question marks there right. The Symphony said, seventy six
Speaker 2: percent of the funding secured. The Farmers gave sixty million dollars.
Speaker 2: The Farmer Family Foundation did if the project already funded
Speaker 2: an under construction, people are going to whiz the eight
Speaker 2: million dollars so urgent. Not only that, as I said,
Speaker 2: other members of council said, man, this is came like
Speaker 2: got pushed to the front of the pack with other
Speaker 2: budget issues and concerns there. And if I'm a voter,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put myself in the final I know we're
Speaker 2: runing late in I appreciate your time as always. If
Speaker 2: I'm a voter, I'm hearing this thing and going, man,
Speaker 2: this thing feels rush. You're giving eight million dollars to
Speaker 2: me me, and there's a lot of questions weren't unanswered.
Speaker 2: I think in the mind of not maybe all voters,
Speaker 2: but a voter may think, look, the city's handing out
Speaker 2: eight million dollars with none of the big financial questions answered.
Speaker 2: The mayor is not happy about this. At least half
Speaker 2: almost half a council is it looks to me like
Speaker 2: this is PG sitting Feld, this is Jeff Pastor, this
Speaker 2: is Ta Maya denied all over again. I'm not alleging you.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're in on this, but I could
Speaker 2: see how a void er think. Are we just saying?
Speaker 2: Is this just on the round of kickbacks coming towards
Speaker 2: people because we're a little jada these days as voters
Speaker 2: about pop politics. Anny, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, I understand being jaded. I'm not going to take
Speaker 3: the date on that because I find the premise insulting.
Speaker 3: But again, the urgency here is to make sure the
Speaker 3: construction can continue. Again, there is a real possibility that
Speaker 3: if certain funding deadlines aren't hit, construction halts, and as
Speaker 3: I've said before, construction halts, costs go up, and we
Speaker 3: in any of those tax revenue dollars that we're looking
Speaker 3: forward to getting at the city, those are delayed another year,
Speaker 3: two years, whatever that looks like. So the urgency is
Speaker 3: to make sure we can actually get this built and
Speaker 3: open in time. And by the way, next spring is
Speaker 3: right ahead, right before the summer concert series, right, you
Speaker 3: don't want to miss that you three month gap that's
Speaker 3: going to bring in the most revenue from an outdoor venue.
Speaker 3: So that is the urgency. The urgency is real. I
Speaker 3: understand some of my colleagues didn't love love the process,
Speaker 3: but again, this will go through the budget process just
Speaker 3: like everything else, and we will vote finally officially to
Speaker 3: approve those dollars int you with the rest of the budget.
Speaker 2: Well, again, this is not binding. It's gonna take some time.
Speaker 2: So everybody, just, you know, stop for a second. Let's
Speaker 2: think about this. Because you know, you can fix potholes,
Speaker 2: you can hopefully solve crime, and you can walk and
Speaker 2: chew gun them at the same time. And I think
Speaker 2: a new river bed in newly imagined Riverbend is a
Speaker 2: long time overdue, as we talked about it. It's just
Speaker 2: like the timing is tough, I think for a lot
Speaker 2: of voters right now. And I know you appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And I'll be all the best. Thanks for jumping on
Speaker 2: the show this morning. We'll chat again soon. Be well.
Speaker 2: Take care, take care. We got to get a news
Speaker 2: update and she was a little offended there about the
Speaker 2: kickback question, and I think I was fair in saying
Speaker 2: I don't think it's you or anything, but a voter
Speaker 2: could think that, Wait a minute, didn't we just go
Speaker 2: through this with city council. We're getting projects stuff. I
Speaker 2: don't care. What was it with the Brady Center, right,
Speaker 2: was it? Tamya Darren said, I don't care. This is
Speaker 2: a This is a music venue for white people, I believe,
Speaker 2: is what she said. If I'm not mistaken, I'll just
Speaker 2: I'll get the money and go on vacation. Is what
Speaker 2: you did? Jeff Paster PG sittin'val of course and his
Speaker 2: thing in court? Are you thinking the same thing here?
Speaker 2: I mean that was like one of the first things
Speaker 2: I thought of, Like, this thing's kind of come out
Speaker 2: of the blue. Didn't we just go through this a
Speaker 2: few years ago? And are you that jaded? Because I am.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it next on the show. Seven hundred
Speaker 2: W all right, Scott's loan here. This is seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Just trying to keep it real because you know, it's
Speaker 2: our money first of all, and I don't care who's
Speaker 2: in office. We got to do a better job keeping
Speaker 2: an eye on these people. And that's what the bottom
Speaker 2: line is. And I just got off the phone here
Speaker 2: with Annah Albey, council member talking about the city in
Speaker 2: her motion to take eight million dollars of money and
Speaker 2: give it to me, me and essentially Riverfront, to redo
Speaker 2: Riverfront and make it Riverfront two point zero. I think
Speaker 2: we all agree. I love going to shows there. I
Speaker 2: think it's a great venue done by the river, but
Speaker 2: it's a little tired, it's a little dusty, needs to
Speaker 2: be cleaned up, reimagined. They want to do that taking
Speaker 2: Coney Island. I think that was a good investment. Getting
Speaker 2: of the starlight pool good and a good idea. Let's
Speaker 2: turn this into a giant riverside music venue, not just
Speaker 2: one stage or I guess you include PNC banking there,
Speaker 2: but make it a multi stage environment. That's great. Good,
Speaker 2: we'll get some money back from that. I love investing
Speaker 2: in fun things. We need more fun things to do.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 2: All great, no doubt about it. But it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: we can't give you a little bit of side eye,
Speaker 2: as I did with that. I going, hey, okay, look,
Speaker 2: even people in your own party. Hell, the mayor. Mayor
Speaker 2: loves throwing money around. Right, City's thirty five billion dollars
Speaker 2: upside down, Clearly, Council in the city likes spending money
Speaker 2: on stuff. And when the mayor himself, when I have
Speaker 2: to have pureval, comes out and goes, hey, you know what,
Speaker 2: I got some questions. I got a few questions here
Speaker 2: when people like Scottie Johnson and others come out and go,
Speaker 2: I got some questions here for you, Just a few
Speaker 2: questions about the money, you know, Namely, we just you know,
Speaker 2: we look at this and go all right, we've got
Speaker 2: potholes to fill, we got crime being a We've got
Speaker 2: roads ranking number one in the survey we just did
Speaker 2: a residence and number one of importance is thirteen of
Speaker 2: thirteen city services, roads ranked number one. It was dead
Speaker 2: lasting satisfaction. And I know it's taking a long time.
Speaker 2: And I pointed out where her ten years is the
Speaker 2: timeline for getting the roads to where they need to be.
Speaker 2: That's how far behind we are. You can't do it overnight.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that, not once, I really really do.
Speaker 2: But when there's questions about where the money's coming from,
Speaker 2: and what is the oversight on the money, and why
Speaker 2: did this thing get moved up to the front of
Speaker 2: the budget list, and what the hell's going on, we
Speaker 2: got a problem. Just handing out eight million dollars. No, granted,
Speaker 2: there is no this is not binding, this is just
Speaker 2: moving it forward. But again, see optics. Our optics are
Speaker 2: very important part. I mentioned her and she was a
Speaker 2: little offended by this, and I said, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's her. I think she's finally she's going
Speaker 2: to do this. But if you're a voter, you've seen
Speaker 2: this movie before and in the past, and I see
Speaker 2: better than I hear, and I know history is a
Speaker 2: great indicator for you or future behavior. We know that
Speaker 2: Tamaya Denard Soldier vote. We know that Jeffrey Pastor took money.
Speaker 2: We know that PG Sittenfeld got convicted. I also know
Speaker 2: that House Bill six, the House Bill six scandal in
Speaker 2: the state House, and that's Republicans, not Democrats. It's the
Speaker 2: largest public corruption case in Ohio history. Sixty million dollar
Speaker 2: scheme by First Energy and utility companies to buy seats
Speaker 2: to buy votes in the Ohio House, with Larry Householder
Speaker 2: and others, Matt Borges and others, former chair of the
Speaker 2: Ohio Republican Party, that they got four point three million
Speaker 2: dollars in kickbacks bribe money from First Energy. I also
Speaker 2: look at what happened, and I was just starting in
Speaker 2: radio then talk radio. But I remember coin Gate with
Speaker 2: Bob Taft first it was at the sixty seventh governor
Speaker 2: of the Buckeye State and the state was became a
Speaker 2: state in eighteen oh three, so that's a lot of time.
Speaker 2: First time ever in Ohio governor sitting governor's charge with
Speaker 2: the crime all in office. That's remarkable, and that's again
Speaker 2: a Republican. But I look at someone like Bob Menendez,
Speaker 2: New Jersey. I look at Rod Blagoyevitch in Illinois. I
Speaker 2: look at what how Kuyahoga County they had to pay
Speaker 2: for play scandal there about ten years ago. The commissioner
Speaker 2: up there was the biggest fishing to see a corrupt
Speaker 2: local appointees who are lining their pockets with bribes at
Speaker 2: the expensive taxpayers. Now, I think a dozens of elected
Speaker 2: officials are jammed up in that. We've had scandals in
Speaker 2: Columbus and Toledo and elsewhere. So I'm sorry, I see
Speaker 2: better than I hear. And to ask the question, man,
Speaker 2: there are a lot more questions about the money and
Speaker 2: how much money you're gonna make off of this, And
Speaker 2: it seems kind of rushed, even though you've spent on
Speaker 2: the docket for about a year. She said, I'm kind
Speaker 2: of jaded by politics. Are you jaded by politics? Are
Speaker 2: you jaded by Baden switch? Are you jaded by the
Speaker 2: fact that we have a politician saying something and then
Speaker 2: doing something completely different? And yeah, I'm talking about Trump,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the wars, I'm talking about a bunch
Speaker 2: of things. But I'm also talking about the Democrats at
Speaker 2: run Hamlin County. And if you are a person who
Speaker 2: looks at your own personal finances, your own pocketbook, your
Speaker 2: own future, your kid's future, your retirement, their education, whether
Speaker 2: or not you can afford to put gas in your car,
Speaker 2: whether or not you can afford to buy beef, I
Speaker 2: think a legitimate question is are we just back to
Speaker 2: where we were and have seen time and time and
Speaker 2: time again that if there are a lot of questions
Speaker 2: being answered, or you don't have any answers to the
Speaker 2: questions being asked, I guess should we be looking at
Speaker 2: it going, Okay, are we doing this whole are we
Speaker 2: doing this whole kickback scheme again? And you know, I
Speaker 2: don't think Anna is part of that. She doesn't strike
Speaker 2: me as that type of person. But you know, we've
Speaker 2: seen this elsewhere and it's not a reflection I think
Speaker 2: on her or a certain member of council. I think
Speaker 2: it is a reflection poorly of our political process that
Speaker 2: we almost expect these people because we've had a long
Speaker 2: history in this country of it to being on the take.
Speaker 2: And you know, when you don't have the questions answered,
Speaker 2: the basic questions answered that we're asked yesterday, it makes
Speaker 2: one think what the hell's going on here? So maybe
Speaker 2: preparation of these things is key. And I think there's
Speaker 2: a fair question. I'm sorry to offender, but I think
Speaker 2: it's and if you're listening, it wasn't meant for you necessarily.
Speaker 2: But we're all jaded as voters right now. The process sucks.
Speaker 2: We've got a government shutdown we quit paying attention about.
Speaker 2: You've got people in Tsa not getting paid for a
Speaker 2: day's work. That's a huge problem. We've got gas prices up,
Speaker 2: that's a huge problem. We've got a war in Iran
Speaker 2: with no edges, your edgy, no support. That's a big problem.
Speaker 2: Locally here in Cincinnati, we've got a thirty five million
Speaker 2: dollar budget because of irresponsible spending. That's a problem. I
Speaker 2: think we just wanted to be functional in work, and
Speaker 2: right now it's failing us. It's failing us because this
Speaker 2: is what we asked for, this is what we voted for,
Speaker 2: and we just continue to make the same mistakes over
Speaker 2: But the idea that somehow that this nation of ours
Speaker 2: was founded by men who literally put the countries into
Speaker 2: serson not their own, but that has become a parody
Speaker 2: because it's flipped the other way, and it's not reason.
Speaker 2: It's been going on for a long time, and I
Speaker 2: certainly don't want to say the sky has following the
Speaker 2: economy's falling apart. If you step back and look at it,
Speaker 2: quite honestly, depending on who's president, a Democrat or Republican,
Speaker 2: whether it's Biden or Trump, whether it's JD. Vance or
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, the thing is this, the needle really hasn't
Speaker 2: moved all that much. We've traded one plus for a
Speaker 2: negative essentially. You know, gas prices are a but you know,
Speaker 2: you look at other other indicators in the market that
Speaker 2: have offset that, and largely the needle hasn't moved all
Speaker 2: that much. I think a great example at his doge, Hey, Dug,
Speaker 2: we're gonna blow this whole thing up with a gut
Speaker 2: gut got and get what happened? Nothing, nothing changed, to
Speaker 2: show you just how embedded this is, to show you
Speaker 2: how how little it really, how little the needle moves,
Speaker 2: regardless of who is the president of the United States.
Speaker 2: And pairing that back, of course, the local politics here,
Speaker 2: same kind of thing. I mean, you know it may change,
Speaker 2: and that people may change, but don't the patterns remain
Speaker 2: the same, and we got to keep an eye on that.
Speaker 2: I think it's a fair thing for us as taxpayers
Speaker 2: to look at this. And I don't live in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and you might, and maybe we don't live in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: probably probably don't. But this also applies to our our
Speaker 2: counties and are the towns in which we live. Is
Speaker 2: to keep an eye we just don't trust, and I
Speaker 2: think we shouldn't trust just because they have an R
Speaker 2: or a D next to their name, the person doing
Speaker 2: the job for us. It's like we have lost sight
Speaker 2: of the fact that we have to be extremely critical
Speaker 2: otherwise things get out of whack. We have to keep
Speaker 2: a chain of going. Hey, I may have supported and
Speaker 2: voted for you to support you, but I keep my
Speaker 2: eye on you. I'm keeping my eye on you. We
Speaker 2: have lost our ability to do that because of this
Speaker 2: whole loyalty pledge, the silly loyalty pledge that we have
Speaker 2: to take regardless of who's in power, and we got
Speaker 2: to go completely. I mean, there's it's not a scandal really,
Speaker 2: It's all a bunch of infighting up in Warren County where
Speaker 2: I am with the commissioners up there, because someone is
Speaker 2: being critical of someone else and you got to go
Speaker 2: along with it. We're going to throw you out. It's
Speaker 2: just it's nonsensical be accountable to the people who put
Speaker 2: you there. And I have a sense that whether it's
Speaker 2: Democrats or Republicans in this case, Democrats were not getting
Speaker 2: that and that should cause us all to be concerned
Speaker 2: because every November they come around asking for votes and oh,
Speaker 2: it's going to be different. Now this is we got
Speaker 2: to we're gonna chie I'm coming in and we're going
Speaker 2: to change things. But nothing really seems like it changes.
Speaker 2: And it's I know, it's an incredibly jaded look at
Speaker 2: things going. All right, somebody getting money a kickback here
Speaker 2: from from River Ben.
Speaker 7: It does.
Speaker 2: I'm not indicting River Bend. I'm not indicting Anna Albe
Speaker 2: anyone who voted for this the contrary, It's just showing
Speaker 2: us that we These are the questions I think normal
Speaker 2: people have going. I've seen this before. Is it happening again?
Speaker 2: And will history repeat itself? It seems like it always
Speaker 2: does in America. It always does five one, three, seven,
Speaker 2: four nine, the big one. It's talked back on your
Speaker 2: eye at Radio app I personally, you know, in a
Speaker 2: perfect world, I think taking eight million dollars of city
Speaker 2: money even though they can't afford, like, if you can
Speaker 2: guarantee I don't know if there's no guarantees in life,
Speaker 2: but if you can come up with analysis it shows
Speaker 2: you're gonna get that money back in five years in
Speaker 2: perpetuity for a place that's already existed, I think that's
Speaker 2: a good investment. I know that a lot of industry theater,
Speaker 2: for example, as we know, is dying movie theaters from
Speaker 2: big big trouble. Big trouble bars are in big trouble
Speaker 2: right now because fewer people are drinking. But I will
Speaker 2: say the one area that there's tremendous growth and has
Speaker 2: been live music. We love live music. Why well, through
Speaker 2: the rings I mentioned, we can escape for a few hours.
Speaker 2: We can escape for all weekend if it's a you know,
Speaker 2: a festival or something like that, and go and just
Speaker 2: listen to live music. It's wonderful. It's good for the
Speaker 2: souldier outside. Where Ever, Ben is an amazing place, amazing
Speaker 2: place to do that I would love to see. I
Speaker 2: will desperately want to see Riverbend get blown up and redone,
Speaker 2: and they want to do that. We should make that
Speaker 2: happen because it has been neglected for too long. You
Speaker 2: can hopefully bring bigger acts. And now it did point
Speaker 2: out about how the how the structure works in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and she wasn't aware of that. But you know that's
Speaker 2: something that a new I guess a new venue may
Speaker 2: not help when it comes attracting those acts. But nonetheless
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. I push behind that going. I listen.
Speaker 2: If we can do this for eight million dollars in
Speaker 2: help gets across the finish line, I think that's money
Speaker 2: well spent considering how much money is going to come
Speaker 2: in and the sheer enjoyment of live music. It's another
Speaker 2: place to go and hang out. We need more of
Speaker 2: that stuff. We don't need less, we need more, but
Speaker 2: I also am cautioned to look at this and go care.
Speaker 2: Are we just taking money and going, hey, here you go,
Speaker 2: here's some money. Don't don't worry about it. I think
Speaker 2: that's a legitimate question that has been answered by four
Speaker 2: of the nine members of city council, and Jeff Kramerting
Speaker 2: will be on the show tomorrow to discuss that. At
Speaker 2: some point here on seven hundred WWT, let me go
Speaker 2: to Tony in Fairfield on Scott's Slanchow ton It's up.
Speaker 7: Yes, I just thought him.
Speaker 10: Another big expense that your councilwoman forgot about was that
Speaker 10: the millions and millions are gonna have to pay the
Speaker 10: chief police after her inlaws.
Speaker 2: There's no time about that. We got to pay that.
Speaker 2: Maybe eight million dollars is right there.
Speaker 10: Well, you don't know the half of it. Even the
Speaker 10: corner in Hamilton County is creative enough to figure out
Speaker 10: a way to make the corner's job corrupt. Myself and
Speaker 10: my family have gotten twelve thousand dollars in money from
Speaker 10: lawsuit class action suits against the corner.
Speaker 2: How many times twelve million? And you've done that numerous
Speaker 2: How many times have you died to.
Speaker 10: No, not twelve million?
Speaker 7: Twelve thousand, twelve thousand?
Speaker 2: How many times have you died? How many? How my
Speaker 2: wife died?
Speaker 10: My wife died, and the Corner stole her brain in
Speaker 10: her heart and put in a jar. And see the
Speaker 10: taxpayers of Hamilton County had no idea of the corruption.
Speaker 2: Well, what's corrupt about you? If they do it? What
Speaker 2: did Tony?
Speaker 4: Can? I ask?
Speaker 2: What did she doe?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 10: No, no, no no. I got a call from the
Speaker 10: Special Master's assistant saying, did you give permission for the
Speaker 10: corner to take to your wife's heart and brain and
Speaker 10: put in it and preserve it? I says, well, no,
Speaker 10: they never asked. I probably would have allowed it if
Speaker 10: it would help save somebody else's wife, right, But he said.
Speaker 2: Oh, is that correct?
Speaker 10: These are hundreds of people they found, are organs in jars?
Speaker 10: Now why they would do that?
Speaker 7: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I think, I guess that's kind of what happens with
Speaker 2: the corner. I mean, I don't know the interview. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry for your loss, but I know the intricacies there.
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty much the job of the corner,
Speaker 2: right is she generally goes in and finds closet death.
Speaker 2: You may preserve, so that sort of evidence. I don't
Speaker 2: know the inter case in details of the case, but
Speaker 2: that sounds like maybe a topic for a future show.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: eight million dollars a lot better than somebody's you know,
Speaker 2: the old hearts and lungs in a jar, so I
Speaker 2: guess it could be worse. Thanks to the perspective. Tony
Speaker 2: coming up after the break, after news, full weather, forecast, traffic,
Speaker 2: and the latest from around the world. And here locally,
Speaker 2: we'll get with Steve good and of course local attorney
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden. He always follows these weird cases for me.
Speaker 2: I put him on the job on this one, I said,
Speaker 2: I signed him this task follow the Afroman case for me.
Speaker 2: I had Anna Castellini, I think was her name. She
Speaker 2: was the attorney for Afroman. And then I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's a falling out or he'd moved to a
Speaker 2: different attorney. I'm not sure what happened. And then that
Speaker 2: attorney she would come on the show. The new guy's like, well,
Speaker 2: I might come on after. I also try to get
Speaker 2: Afroman out of some point and hear his story because
Speaker 2: it's an awesome case and the most entertaining court case
Speaker 2: I've seen in a long time. And God knows we
Speaker 2: entertainment because this other stuff is way too serious. Steve
Speaker 2: Gooden is here. Afroman gets his day in court and
Speaker 2: he wins. He beat the hell out of seven cops
Speaker 2: with a pound cake and he got away with it.
Speaker 2: Next seven hundred wty Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: You want to be a Manican?
Speaker 4: Do it?
Speaker 2: Floating here? Seven hundred WLW Are you cutting through it today?
Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite court case a long time coming
Speaker 2: down the pike here, it's over them are the said
Speaker 2: because a rapper just beat the hell out of seven
Speaker 2: cops and he got away with it because he used
Speaker 2: a lemon pound cake. The afro Man verdict is in.
Speaker 2: It is in, and he's a winter chicken dinner.
Speaker 11: Mine eyes seen the corruption of the Adam County cops.
Speaker 7: Still in Money's still in cake. When they make they.
Speaker 11: Traffic stops, first they screw.
Speaker 7: You, then they sue you.
Speaker 11: Play a game, man, dismiss your claims, the proofs, sondy Inner.
Speaker 2: You can't get the song out of your head.
Speaker 11: Ahfro Man, We'll bring it to ya. Ahfro Man is
Speaker 11: gone a dude, Ye nahfro man, he's gonna screw ya,
Speaker 11: my proofs son.
Speaker 12: The inner he is also enthralled with the case, and
Speaker 12: that would be the esteem councilor Steve Gooden, who has
Speaker 12: had his number of defamation cases he's defended successfully or otherwise.
Speaker 7: Steve welcome, it's good to be his ty. Good work.
Speaker 2: This is going to be one of the better cases
Speaker 2: to follow because it had all the live action. As
Speaker 2: the segment would say in it, you had everything here
Speaker 2: and it just made the Adams County Sheriff's Department look
Speaker 2: so damn incompetent. Normally, almost not always, but almost always
Speaker 2: side with the on the side of police officers. I
Speaker 2: watched this thing and said, there's no way in hell
Speaker 2: that this defamation suit can win. You have so many
Speaker 2: elements here, let's lay that out this morning here Steve Goodman,
Speaker 2: the jury side with Affreman rather quickly too. I think
Speaker 2: the verdict came out pretty quickly. What, in your opinion,
Speaker 2: the strongest legal argument that won this case.
Speaker 4: Was what well, I mean that it shouldn't have been
Speaker 4: brought in the first place. And frankly, you know, they
Speaker 4: had a visiting judge and until folks who like me
Speaker 4: watched a lot of this. If the judge looks familiar,
Speaker 4: he's a retired judge who has actually made a lot
Speaker 4: of headlines, you know, as the visiting judge and the
Speaker 4: Wagner murder cases out in Pike County, so he kind
Speaker 4: of travels that circuit. And the judge there obviously had
Speaker 4: a conflict in Adams County because he'd presumably it signed
Speaker 4: the search warrant which turned out to be a fruitless
Speaker 4: search warrant based on bad information. We're guessing because they
Speaker 4: searched the guy's house and found nothing. But really, I mean,
Speaker 4: the judge should have thrown the case out at the
Speaker 4: summary judgment stage. In my view, they just these police
Speaker 4: officers are quasi public figures, what they call limited these
Speaker 4: public figures. They did go into his house on public business.
Speaker 4: Afroman is allowed to comment on it, and I will say,
Speaker 4: you know, the only arguments that the police officers really
Speaker 4: had is you played one of the songs. That's pretty mild.
Speaker 4: Some of the songs are pretty raunchy. Afroman did insinuate
Speaker 4: in a couple places or flat out state clearly ingest,
Speaker 4: but stated that he had sex with some of their
Speaker 4: wives and things of that nature. He was really there's
Speaker 4: a lot of locker room talk where he's trying to
Speaker 4: get under their skin and really trying to even because
Speaker 4: they really knocked his door down. They came in with
Speaker 4: a battering ram, They went through his house, they took money.
Speaker 4: There was four hundred dollars in cash missing that was
Speaker 4: never accounted for. He alleges, and they ended up being
Speaker 4: a whole separate investigation. But the Claremont County Sheriff's Department
Speaker 4: into the missing four hundred dollars and it was inconclusive. Really,
Speaker 4: I don't think they didn't feel if the officer stole
Speaker 4: it that they thought they might have had a miscount
Speaker 4: or something. But the whole thing so murky. It's the
Speaker 4: thing you would never want to have in front of
Speaker 4: a jury. And you're right, the court, you know, the
Speaker 4: closing statements wrapped up around three or four o'clock and
Speaker 4: apparently what I was told was the jury, you know,
Speaker 4: was about to go home to the day and they
Speaker 4: signaled to the judge, now, no, no, I think we'll
Speaker 4: just stay here and knock this out, you know, And
Speaker 4: by eight o'clock or so they had it all resolved
Speaker 4: in his favor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It was It didn't look good
Speaker 2: from the beginning because as you mentioned, you know, they
Speaker 2: counted five down. They go in by the way, this
Speaker 2: in August of twenty twenty two deputies in Adams County.
Speaker 2: They break his gate down, they kick in his door.
Speaker 2: They have a tactical assault team. It looks like because
Speaker 2: they got their tactical gear on and a number of
Speaker 2: officers they kick his door in. There they had I
Speaker 2: guess testimony or they had someone tell them a confidential
Speaker 2: informant say yeah, he's got drugs and he's got people
Speaker 2: keep kidnapped in his house. All they came across was
Speaker 2: a vappen a part of a joint, so a roach
Speaker 2: and five thousand dollars cash. And then they counted the
Speaker 2: five thousand and then it was four hundred was missing.
Speaker 2: But it turns out that after an internal investigation out
Speaker 2: they miscounted they couldn't count the five thousand.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he turned the home surveillance footage that he had
Speaker 2: from inside his own kitchen and elsewhere into songs online
Speaker 2: like Lemon pound Cake, which is hysterical because one of
Speaker 2: the thicker deputies has his look at a poum cake
Speaker 2: like it's a suspect that he's about to take down,
Speaker 2: and it's one of the funniest clips you'll ever see
Speaker 2: in this music video. And they made a whole song
Speaker 2: called Lemon pound Cake because his mom made him a
Speaker 2: lemon pound cake under glass and this deputy he wanted
Speaker 2: to attack this thing like a canine on a suspect.
Speaker 2: Over three million views on YouTube, and the claim by
Speaker 2: the deputies was unauthorized exus a likeness, defamation of rives,
Speaker 2: the intentional infliction of emotional distress. They're looking for almost
Speaker 2: four million dollars. One of the female deputy's broke into
Speaker 2: tears during a suggestive music video target targeting her, so
Speaker 2: she was upset about this whole thing. But it goes
Speaker 2: to show you if you're working in the public interest
Speaker 2: and you bought something this badly, the jury's going to
Speaker 2: side with you. Plus he's a very very likable individual
Speaker 2: with the music and everything else. Who showed up the
Speaker 2: court where in his American flag suit, which I found
Speaker 2: really really funny. The glasses and everything else extremely articulated
Speaker 2: to his defense, and I don't know how Jerry would
Speaker 2: have ruled otherwise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, he did a very good job of pretending
Speaker 4: you're both to this court, in the court of public opinion.
Speaker 4: He has a younger lawyer from Adams County named dj
Speaker 4: Osborne that he hired, who was a former prosecutor who
Speaker 4: really knows the lay of the land out there, and
Speaker 4: that was a brilliant choice. A lot of folks that think,
Speaker 4: you know, in Afroman's position, would make the mistake of
Speaker 4: bringing in a lawyer from a big city who really
Speaker 4: knows the law of defamation quote unquote, but nobio. Defamation
Speaker 4: is very simple. You have to prove that there was
Speaker 4: either you were either portrayed in the false light, that
Speaker 4: there was an out and out lie told about you
Speaker 4: the gravity of you know. You also have to show
Speaker 4: that you suffered some damages from it. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: a relatively simple thing. And here his whole defense was
Speaker 4: basically twofold. Afroman's defense was these were public figures, so
Speaker 4: I'm allowed to comment, and my comments can be outrageous,
Speaker 4: and I can say things that are even false in
Speaker 4: my comments, because it's pretty clear I'm joking. I don't
Speaker 4: think anybody in the room really believed that Afroman had
Speaker 4: sex with the deputy's wife, you know, and that was
Speaker 4: actually one of the worst moments of the trial for
Speaker 4: the plaintiffs, because that deputy was cross examined by Afroman's
Speaker 4: lawyer and said, well, well, that's not true, is it.
Speaker 4: And he stumbled and said, well, I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's true or not. And that's the clip that's being
Speaker 4: paid over and over in the video. I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I think you'd know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think he knew.
Speaker 4: He was in trouble, so he tried to waffle and
Speaker 4: then he throws his wife under the bus. Is probably unintentional,
Speaker 4: and it just became a comedy of aeras. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know if she did or not. I mean that's
Speaker 4: a direct almost a direct quote. So it was, you know,
Speaker 4: the case really I think was kind of over, you
Speaker 4: know at that point, if it wasn't already, and it
Speaker 4: just did become sort of a you know, sort of
Speaker 4: a far said look.
Speaker 7: I get it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not unsympathetic to these police officers. I
Speaker 4: know last year when I ran for city council, I
Speaker 4: had he's like burner Twitter accounts calling me a white supremacist,
Speaker 4: a fascist. There was some guy following me around and
Speaker 4: sew me have a glass of white at dinner and
Speaker 4: suggested I had a drinking problem, was taking my pictures
Speaker 4: at dinner. But I was in the public eye, and
Speaker 4: you just have to Unfortunately, in this day and age,
Speaker 4: you have to put up with it and the idea
Speaker 4: that opinion covers a huge swath about things. When when
Speaker 4: when you're talking about public figures, I mean, you can
Speaker 4: say Congress is corrupt, okay, that all four hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty five members of Congress can't turn around and sue
Speaker 4: you and say, prove it's corrupt. That's your opinion that
Speaker 4: it's corrupt. You say, all cop their dirty. I don't
Speaker 4: believe that, because they all CONTs their dirty and you're allowed,
Speaker 4: you're entitled to that opinion. You can put it on
Speaker 4: the internet, and in this case after me, I actually
Speaker 4: had a following and more people saw it than you know,
Speaker 4: I put something on the internet, maybe three thousand on Facebook,
Speaker 4: maybe three or four thousand people see it, and he puts
Speaker 4: it out A million people see it. But that really
Speaker 4: doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Here he was he was selling merchandise though featuring the
Speaker 2: deputy's images. Does does that constant commercially use? Did that
Speaker 2: complicate the pure satire defense and how did the jury.
Speaker 4: Sy, Well, the jury didn't care, and I think rightfully so.
Speaker 4: But my guess is that that was the judges thinking
Speaker 4: in letting at least some of the claims go forward
Speaker 4: past summery judgment. I mean, typically what happens in defamation cases.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, they're filed all the time in Ohio,
Speaker 4: but they don't go to trial all that much because
Speaker 4: typically you have depositions, you have paper discovery and so forth,
Speaker 4: and a pretty robust summary judgment phase where a judge
Speaker 4: can look to see like, well, you know, this was
Speaker 4: either clearly true, clearly untrue, or just statire and opinion,
Speaker 4: and a lot of them get thrown out there. So
Speaker 4: that is the one thing that afro Man did, putting
Speaker 4: their their their the stills from his I think it's
Speaker 4: kind of ring to home security camera. Putting the putting
Speaker 4: them on there and actually selling the merchandise on his
Speaker 4: on his web page is something that probably did technically
Speaker 4: survive the some rejudgment phase. It doesn't mean the rest
Speaker 4: of the case should have. And but I think the judge,
Speaker 4: you know, let that go forward, and that was probably
Speaker 4: the one, the one little thing that they had legally
Speaker 4: that probably was questionable and could go to a jury,
Speaker 4: But still I don't there's no real litigation. He made
Speaker 4: real dollars out of it. And I think, just from
Speaker 4: my standpoint, if you know, there again, these guys are
Speaker 4: limited to these public figures who put themselves in this position. Uh,
Speaker 4: And I think, and it is kind of shocking. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: we don't know what information they did or didn't have,
Speaker 4: and they apparently thought it was credible. Apparently it was not.
Speaker 4: But you know, the scenes to them going in there
Speaker 4: were fully automatic weapons and battering grants and so forth.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not a good look. And the guy
Speaker 4: is at the pancake. The pancake does look good looking.
Speaker 2: It makes a look better when it's under glass like
Speaker 2: this was. I was like out of a Martha Stewart
Speaker 2: show or something like that, and I would have looked
Speaker 2: at it too. This guy was making sweet love to
Speaker 2: that poundcake with his eyeballs. That was the funniest moment
Speaker 2: probably that Lemon Palm cake video. But he sold merchandise
Speaker 2: with their image on that after that, And I don't
Speaker 2: think I don't have that complicates the puerce after a
Speaker 2: defense simply because he said he was using all the
Speaker 2: proceeds for his legal defense fund. That's going to go
Speaker 2: pretty well with the jury, whether he does.
Speaker 7: Or not, right, I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: it didn't matter. I mean, the jury saw the whole
Speaker 7: thing was a joke. You know that. You know, he wasn't.
Speaker 4: Seriously insinuating he's you know, having sex with anyone, or
Speaker 4: that anybody is really you know, horrifically you know, crooked
Speaker 4: or corrupt and to the extent they are, that's his opinion.
Speaker 4: And I think any and he and he really did
Speaker 4: a good job. I watched most of his testimony live.
Speaker 4: You know, affirm had did a really really good job
Speaker 4: of tacking everything back to the original incident. And he said, look,
Speaker 4: if these guys hadn't come into my house on that information.
Speaker 7: With guns drawn, knocked my door down, knocked.
Speaker 4: My gate down, stared at my pound cake, and then
Speaker 4: and then something maybe maybe or maybe not took some
Speaker 4: of my money, I wouldn't be here. I'd have no
Speaker 4: problem with them at all. And you know he wasn't
Speaker 4: even there, you know, when it occurred. Uh, So, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a I think a lot of people can can
Speaker 4: react to that as as government overreach. Uh, and the
Speaker 4: kind of thing that you do want to comment on,
Speaker 4: and and and again it's very interesting. I get to
Speaker 4: remember this is a scenario where the public officials bought
Speaker 4: the case. The police officers were the ones who were
Speaker 4: the plaineiffs. Sometimes I get lost in the telling it out,
Speaker 4: and that was just a yeah, that's it's also.
Speaker 2: The fact that it wouldn't be this bad had you
Speaker 2: not decided to sue him for almost four million dollars
Speaker 2: or this thing, because now you have to go on
Speaker 2: the stand and it's it makes it worse, not better
Speaker 2: for you, And you think I think that maybe they
Speaker 2: got some bad legal advice there, because the bar for
Speaker 2: alice and for defamation is just so damn high when
Speaker 2: it's a public figure that is acting on a warrant
Speaker 2: that turns out there was no crime being committed whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I think that's an important facet here, Steve Goodin, as
Speaker 2: we talk about the now international Afroman verdict and the
Speaker 2: rest of the countries out of this, it's a great story.
Speaker 2: No charge ever fought from the raid. So how much
Speaker 2: did that in fact influence the legal landscape for both sides,
Speaker 2: particular Afroman and that gave him more license to do
Speaker 2: what got him sued.
Speaker 4: Well, there were two I think key legal decisions these
Speaker 4: folks made. I mean one was that were one great.
Speaker 4: One bad one is you know, the officers probably should
Speaker 4: have never brought the claims. I understand they were upset.
Speaker 4: I know they were subject to harassment. I think the
Speaker 4: one officer said that he received over four hundred pound
Speaker 4: cakes in the mail from around the country in response
Speaker 4: because and I was no kidding, take him to some
Speaker 4: charities or whatever, but he was very offended by all
Speaker 4: these poundcakes coming in. The second thing that I think
Speaker 4: Afroman did his legal team did that was very very smart,
Speaker 4: was they could have filed some sort of a counterclaim
Speaker 4: here based upon the raid itself. They could have had
Speaker 4: their own piece of litigation. And they were really I
Speaker 4: think smart not to bring that because I think it
Speaker 4: would have muddied the waters and it would have really
Speaker 4: forced the jury to try to adjudicate some of the
Speaker 4: precise details about what happened that they didn't have to.
Speaker 4: So the typical case, you know, the typical advice is
Speaker 4: bring a counter claim pound these people, et cetera. And
Speaker 4: I think he would have looked very a bit less
Speaker 4: sympathetic if he had to defend his lifestyle, because I guess,
Speaker 4: you know, in fairness, I mean after me as a
Speaker 4: guy who who has made a career out of singing
Speaker 4: about marijuana use, and his songs are wanti and perhaps
Speaker 4: his lifestyle might not have, you know, stood up to
Speaker 4: the kind of scrutiny that would have come if he
Speaker 4: had been a plaineff. And you know, just you know,
Speaker 4: to the officers. I tell people this all the time,
Speaker 4: and it's corny, but it's true. There's that old line
Speaker 4: from Charles dickens Or he said, I've been ruined by
Speaker 4: a lawsuit twice, once as a defendant and once as
Speaker 4: a planeff. Sometimes being a planeff you can put your
Speaker 4: self out and expose yourself in a way. Sure they
Speaker 4: could end up in some real embarrassment. I think that's
Speaker 4: unfortunately what happened.
Speaker 2: And I think something lost. Maybe a nuance here, Steve
Speaker 2: is they got bad intel they got I think it
Speaker 2: was this confidential informat or informant or something. I said, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got people held hostage, he's got weed, he's got money.
Speaker 2: And they go and they don't find any of that
Speaker 2: stuff whatsoever. Five thousand dollars. K Hell, you could have
Speaker 2: a lot more than end in your house. It's your house,
Speaker 2: and it's it's legal tender.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's more of the uh, you know, the whole civil
Speaker 2: f asset forfeiture problem that I have. But nonetheless I
Speaker 2: look at the context of it and go they didn't
Speaker 2: find what they're looking for is is that the fault
Speaker 2: of the officers made the entry because they're they're they're
Speaker 2: not the ones who maybe they had the CEI I guess,
Speaker 2: but it's up to the prosecutor's officer termine whether or
Speaker 2: not there exists grounds for entry like that. Were the
Speaker 2: cops and so in some ways put in a situation
Speaker 2: they couldn't win.
Speaker 7: No, they absolutely were.
Speaker 4: And I see, I'm I'm not unsympathetic to some of
Speaker 4: these officers, some of them I dealt with. I've had
Speaker 4: many cases in Adams County over the years, and I
Speaker 4: can tell you you know, they were in a bad
Speaker 4: situation here. I don't know how credible the confidential informant was,
Speaker 4: but there had to be some level of credibility, and
Speaker 4: they had a search warrant, so both the prosecutor had
Speaker 4: to prepare that warrant and a judge had to sign
Speaker 4: off on it, so there were multiple levels of review,
Speaker 4: so there had to be some uh you know, I
Speaker 4: think the legal terms indische of reliability. There had to
Speaker 4: be some indicators that this was credible. So the officers
Speaker 4: were initially put in a bad position. I guess miley
Speaker 4: pushback is that sometimes, you know, police work is like
Speaker 4: any other profession. Sometimes things don't go as plan. Sometimes
Speaker 4: you do get bad information, sometimes things aren't right. But
Speaker 4: you are what we call it limited use public figure.
Speaker 4: When you're out there saying things and doing things, you
Speaker 4: are going to be subject to mockery. It's particularly now,
Speaker 4: and I know it's hard in the day and age
Speaker 4: where it's on the Internet and all kinds of people
Speaker 4: can see it on social media. But unfortunately that just
Speaker 4: comes with the job. Now, if you're in public office,
Speaker 4: people are going to say really really nasty stuff about you.
Speaker 4: And what I always tell people, or whether it be
Speaker 4: police officers I've represented in the past or public officials
Speaker 4: are represented now, maybe you should just stay off your
Speaker 4: phone for a while when something goes badly, to let
Speaker 4: it play out.
Speaker 2: It will move on, as usually is the case. But
Speaker 2: I do feel in that regard because the deputy is
Speaker 2: the ones kind of caught in the middle. Here was
Speaker 2: a prosecutor, the investigators and other forces. They just executed
Speaker 2: the warrant. They're not the ones who went out and
Speaker 2: sought the evidence. I don't think anyway. It's a small department,
Speaker 2: but there is that caveat there as well. But again,
Speaker 2: you know, when you got a guy making love to
Speaker 2: a palm cake with his eyeballs and some of the
Speaker 2: other things, miscounting the money that's most certainly on them,
Speaker 2: and you just, I guess, you know, sometimes you pee
Speaker 2: on the wrong fence. I guess is the old adagere
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden handled many a de defamation case as well,
Speaker 2: some good some bad Steve local attorney of course, thanks
Speaker 2: for coming on the show this morning.
Speaker 7: Straighten it out, hey anytime.
Speaker 2: Well there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think
Speaker 2: you know, he's just such a likable defendant that there's
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Speaker 2: on the show next on seven hundred. WW boy, if
Speaker 2: this is not a bad food weekend, I don't want
Speaker 2: it is. It's gonna be wings, it's gonna be ribs,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be burgers, it's gonna be Nacho's questionable cheese
Speaker 2: with a Z. You name it, you're gonna be eat it.
Speaker 2: And I'd even start with the drink. By the way,
Speaker 2: of course, it's March Madness. Every Thursday morning, we have
Speaker 2: doctor Sanjay Shafer Kamani and he's an er doc. He
Speaker 2: is a food and fitness expert as well at Dine
Speaker 2: Well Dock and joins the show when he's not at
Speaker 2: Revived Fitness in Oakley. And I want to jump in
Speaker 2: this morning with the revised dietary guidelines real quick here,
Speaker 2: because a food pair actually kind of feels like it's
Speaker 2: leaning more in the fats on Jay, is that RFK
Speaker 2: Junior said, Hey, let's do whole fat milk back in
Speaker 2: schools and also let's pump protein a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I just wonder, like with all diet in health advisories
Speaker 2: and the food pyramids change in my lifetime, I can't
Speaker 2: count how many times same for you. I just wonder
Speaker 2: if you're just not trading one bad footing for another,
Speaker 2: like back in the day when you would when the
Speaker 2: fat free craze came in. It was great, you got
Speaker 2: her all the fat, but you just you just put
Speaker 2: more salt and especially sugar in these products.
Speaker 13: That's the problem exactly, And that's that's what a lot
Speaker 13: of the research has looked at sloan is. You know,
Speaker 13: it's not just eliminating one thing, it's what you do
Speaker 13: to replace it. And so a lot of the effects
Speaker 13: that we're seeing are negative by by reducing fat. I mean,
Speaker 13: certainly there's a lot of benefit to it, but it
Speaker 13: all depends on what you're substituting with.
Speaker 2: Right, there's been what is the benefit of the fat?
Speaker 2: I think for one? For me anyway, it seems like
Speaker 2: it's say it's satisfied.
Speaker 13: That's a huge say it. I mean, you know, there
Speaker 13: there are a ton if we're just going to talk
Speaker 13: about eating. Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're drinking
Speaker 13: skim milk, it's I don't enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Do you do? You like skim You know, I'm a
Speaker 2: two percent guy. Same And the thing about skim milk
Speaker 2: is it's like water, and after I drink it, like
Speaker 2: I still need something substantial, so I probably eat some
Speaker 2: snacks after it too. The nice thing about you know,
Speaker 2: the higher percentage fat milks is that you don't have
Speaker 2: to eat something afterwards. You may be more satiated, you
Speaker 2: may be more full, and so you're not kind of
Speaker 2: taking more calories in after that. That's one big thing, right, right,
Speaker 2: And there's a sense to that too. It's somehow the
Speaker 2: whole milk itld just tastes. But I remember one time
Speaker 2: were I was backpacking, right and we got done, like
Speaker 2: the only thing they had was whole milk in the cafeteria,
Speaker 2: and I crushed like five It was like the best
Speaker 2: tasting milk ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, It's just like something about whole milk. But you
Speaker 2: don't need a lot of it. It's it's so rich
Speaker 2: and satisfies you your taste. Budge, there's a trigger inside
Speaker 2: he says, Okay, you're good on the fat and the milk.
Speaker 2: That's all you need. Need a little bit. You don't
Speaker 2: need a half gallon, No, you don't.
Speaker 13: And and the thing is, to your point, it tastes good.
Speaker 13: And milk consumption's actually gone down markedly in the last
Speaker 13: fifty years, so like since the seventies, it's gone down
Speaker 13: like fifty percent as far as people drinking. It's probably
Speaker 13: because we've switched to lower fat and you know, health
Speaker 13: concerns for sure, but there is definitely a decrease in
Speaker 13: milk and some since the warning started coming out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sign you On top of that, I think
Speaker 2: back to eggs, right, Tony, Oh, cholesterol, and now we're like,
Speaker 2: well eat eggs.
Speaker 13: Well yeah, and that's the it's cholesterol, especially for you, right,
Speaker 13: it is good for you. You need some. I mean,
Speaker 13: everything's good in moderation. But it's just like everything else,
Speaker 13: we keep learning more and more. And I'll tell you
Speaker 13: when I was going through med school, it was saturated
Speaker 13: fats are the devil, you know, and and it's just
Speaker 13: a black and white that's given to you. And there
Speaker 13: are a ton of shades of gray in this and
Speaker 13: as we learn more, we're introducing more shades of gray.
Speaker 13: But we're also getting more clarification about why some people
Speaker 13: have good effects with things and other people don't.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's that you don't know till you get
Speaker 2: a diagnosis, right, if your body tolerates it exactly.
Speaker 13: And so you know, as much research as we do,
Speaker 13: everybody's an individual body is also going to react differently.
Speaker 13: But we are seeing larger population things that that are
Speaker 13: speaking to saturated fats and what effects are good and
Speaker 13: what effects are bad and who it's good for. And
Speaker 13: that's where this milk change came from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so I think the research said that dairy
Speaker 2: fat may be at worst neutral, Is that an accurate
Speaker 2: assessment in your opinion?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: At worst neutral is confusing a bunch of words. But
Speaker 2: so the worst thing is the worst thing it happened
Speaker 2: for is nothing? Is that what they're saying essentially?
Speaker 13: I mean, that's what we're seeing right now, and I'll
Speaker 13: always qualify things with that. As far as findings in
Speaker 13: the literature, things are always bound to change, just like
Speaker 13: our two glasses of wine good or one glass of
Speaker 13: wine good. It's the same thing with this, but it's
Speaker 13: it's evolving. And so what we're learning is that dairy
Speaker 13: saturated fats, so the saturated fats that are included in
Speaker 13: things like yogurt, in milk and cheese, those are kind
Speaker 13: of they behave differently in our bodies, both with the
Speaker 13: absorption and what they do in our bodies, and so
Speaker 13: they have a different effect in our bodies than the
Speaker 13: saturated fats that we take in from meats and other
Speaker 13: things that have been demonized for so long.
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm still confused by the Sanjay, Can
Speaker 2: I still have a whole stick of butter for lunch?
Speaker 13: You can have two sloan but no one else, no
Speaker 13: one else listening can But I don't see.
Speaker 2: Sure the whole butter tastes great and bread whatever it
Speaker 2: is like it just you know, margarine, and we've got
Speaker 2: this this avocado oil butter and stuff like. Just have
Speaker 2: a little bit of butter.
Speaker 13: Yeah, So we'll be we'll be looking at the pyramid
Speaker 13: in a little bit, or at least the new guidelines
Speaker 13: right the butter. There's a picture of butter right in
Speaker 13: that triangle, and so you know, butter is fine to
Speaker 13: a certain amount, and again everything's good in moderation. It
Speaker 13: is not you know, butter is classified as dairy, but
Speaker 13: it's not the dairy we're talking about here with the
Speaker 13: really healthy saturated fats that will that could potentially improve
Speaker 13: your health. So again, it's the yogurt, it's the cheese,
Speaker 13: it's the milk. Those saturated fats in there maybe beneficial
Speaker 13: to health. And that's what we're seeing in a bunch
Speaker 13: of studies in the last decade.
Speaker 2: Wow, that it's actually good for you so or versus
Speaker 2: twenty something years of science that we thought, oh, it's
Speaker 2: all bad for you. It's kind of like the meat debate,
Speaker 2: you know, and the environment and all. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a second. But when they rolled out impossible
Speaker 2: burgers and you try that, you go, oh, that actually
Speaker 2: tastes because in the past is like, yeah, that tofurky
Speaker 2: stuff like uh nasty, Like why why if if you
Speaker 2: like tofu, eat the tofu? But why do you try
Speaker 2: to trick you into thinking it's something that it's not.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's like, well, it's gymnastics always
Speaker 2: because you know, my daughter when she was kissed, she
Speaker 2: went through the I'm in a vegan and then you
Speaker 2: buy this crap and she'd eat it because it tastes
Speaker 2: like crap, of course, and she died my nuggets. So
Speaker 2: we got problems. We're gonna go we're gonna throw down.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But but you look at this and go, okay, that
Speaker 2: that aside, when you get back to eggs and meat
Speaker 2: and dairy and just just have a little bit of
Speaker 2: the good stuff and you're satisfied and you're fine. Let's
Speaker 2: I mentioned the impossible burger. Same thing it's like you're trading. Okay, hey,
Speaker 2: that's no cholesterol, but it's got to help out of
Speaker 2: sodium in it.
Speaker 13: It's the sodium, but it's also the other stuff and
Speaker 13: that's not yeah, exactly the chemicals. And that's the That's
Speaker 13: the other part of this new guideline from the government
Speaker 13: is you know, eat real food.
Speaker 7: That's there.
Speaker 2: That's their three words.
Speaker 13: It's just real food as opposed to thing that have
Speaker 13: been ultraprocessed, which we're finding that is that is the enemy.
Speaker 13: That's that's where we really should be focusing our attention
Speaker 13: as opposed to you know, the saturated fats and eliminating fat,
Speaker 13: et cetera.
Speaker 2: How many days a week or how many times we
Speaker 2: could I I mean have a process. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you really want a you know, carry out cheeseburger or
Speaker 2: a pizza or something like that, there's going to be
Speaker 2: you know, process glue all that stuff. How many times?
Speaker 2: How often? It's hard?
Speaker 13: I like sticking to the eighty twenty rule general in
Speaker 13: my life, as far as you know, do eighty percent
Speaker 13: of the time do it well? Twenty percent of the
Speaker 13: time not so well? Loose Obviously, as a physician, I
Speaker 13: have to say never do it. But who's going to
Speaker 13: follow that? Not even myself? Yeah, because I love a
Speaker 13: good burger, right, and so I would say, you know,
Speaker 13: as long as five days out of the week you're
Speaker 13: eating healthy and watching all of that ultra processed food,
Speaker 13: you know, treat yourself, okay, once or twice a week.
Speaker 2: But sometimes like the junk food is like, for example,
Speaker 2: I like wings. So if I have chicken wing, it's
Speaker 2: a chicken wing and it's Frank's red hot, which is
Speaker 2: just you know, peppers and vinegar and salt. Essentially, there's
Speaker 2: nothing really processed about all that is there, but it's
Speaker 2: still bad for me. It depends where you're getting your wings.
Speaker 2: You're going out to a chain, you don't know what
Speaker 2: they're frying it in, you don't know what extra ingredients
Speaker 2: they're putting in it. But yeah, to your point, if
Speaker 2: you're making them at home and baking them especially, you
Speaker 2: can Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Can do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, All right, let's talk about the food minter again.
Speaker 2: It's our resident physician and health guy Health Food and
Speaker 2: Fitness coming together with Sanjay shev A Crimani. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about the new guidelines that rolled out recently for the
Speaker 2: food pyramid and obviously the dairy element comes and out
Speaker 2: the whole fat coming back, and so how much different
Speaker 2: is it? What are they calling for?
Speaker 13: So what they're calling for is increased amount of protein,
Speaker 13: so one and a half grams per kilogram to one
Speaker 13: point seven grams per kilogram of body weight. So for that,
Speaker 13: for me, I'm an American elish. That's the funny part
Speaker 13: is you know we have again and then we get
Speaker 13: kilograms in there, come on, come on. But yes, basically
Speaker 13: for you can come down to basically half a pound
Speaker 13: per sorry half u zero point five grams of protein
Speaker 13: per pounded body weight. And so for me it's a
Speaker 13: little over one hundred that I should be at. As
Speaker 13: far as as protein, protein, yeah, a lot of protein.
Speaker 13: It is a lot, and you know, it's much higher
Speaker 13: than what it was before. I think it was point
Speaker 13: eight to one. And so we're increasing by a scale
Speaker 13: of you know, almost seventy five percent increase, and so
Speaker 13: there is a lot to it as far as protein,
Speaker 13: not just satisfying your hunger, but what it does to
Speaker 13: our you know, our body mass and how we metabolize
Speaker 13: things and burn calories. And so what we're finding more
Speaker 13: and more is protein is is golden as far as
Speaker 13: its intake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, especially very lean proteins, chicken breast,
Speaker 2: things like that. You can't go wrong cooking that stuff
Speaker 2: for sure. So and his said, well, your body only
Speaker 2: needs a certain amount of this thing. But then you know,
Speaker 2: you look at bodybuilders. You know, you own a gym
Speaker 2: and guys there. You know, back in the day when
Speaker 2: I would left to see you need more prot than
Speaker 2: the guidelines recommend, you're taking a way more protein than that.
Speaker 2: Now your body just excreach. It's like, you know, vitamins
Speaker 2: or just makes her p expensive. But every successful bodybuilder
Speaker 2: I've ever seen or talked to, they eat incredible amount
Speaker 2: of protein. So there's some truth to this, and it's
Speaker 2: more about the well, it's about the science, and I
Speaker 2: see better than I hear.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, especially if you if
Speaker 13: you do want to get stronger and stronger. Now, if
Speaker 13: you want to maintain, you don't have to pound the protein.
Speaker 13: But if you do want to get stronger, bigger, et cetera. Uh,
Speaker 13: increasing your protein intake is one of the cornerstones.
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, the new guidelines are increasing protein. It
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean though, because often people confuse that protein
Speaker 2: thing with either I've got to drink you know, liquid
Speaker 2: abinos and all the or now I'm eating you know,
Speaker 2: hamburger every meal. That's not true at all. Funny, A
Speaker 2: lean pin pork always got a bad rap because it
Speaker 2: was fatty, but pork is extremely lean. Now pork is
Speaker 2: pretty lean.
Speaker 13: I'm still very much a fan of poultry and fish
Speaker 13: in general, especially fish coming through with the Mega threes
Speaker 13: and stuff like salmon. I even you know, macrol is
Speaker 13: one of those things that really comes up. And then sardines,
Speaker 13: which I'm weird and I love them, but I'm I'll
Speaker 13: put those things on my toast or my bagels in
Speaker 13: the morning. Fiance, you know, turns her nose up or
Speaker 13: just walks away when I do that.
Speaker 2: Get the seas are salad, I'm having to start. Ones
Speaker 2: don't fall on the list so much. Sardines are a
Speaker 2: little healthier, but anchovies do have their health benefits too,
Speaker 2: gotcha all right? Son, Jay? So we know protein is
Speaker 2: is it the top of the pyramid?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 13: So it they They've actually not. It's not really called
Speaker 13: a pyramid so much anymore. It's actually drawn as an
Speaker 13: inverted pyramid and overall, the the idea is balance, get
Speaker 13: a certain amount of a lot of healthy things and
Speaker 13: real foods. And so what you'll see is the picture
Speaker 13: depicted with vegetables and proteins up top, and then you'll
Speaker 13: have whole grains on the bottom, which is again a
Speaker 13: different change. It's you know, carbs are not the devil.
Speaker 13: You know, however, many years ago keto is all the rage.
Speaker 13: I know some people still do it, but where we're
Speaker 13: finding is balance is good and then paying more attention
Speaker 13: to the protein intake especially and then your fruits and vegetables.
Speaker 2: Is this all changed, this whole protein thing because of
Speaker 2: the keto rage and the fact that actually work it rks.
Speaker 13: I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it.
Speaker 13: I mean, you know the keto craze was that was
Speaker 13: that diet actually originally came from treating patients with seizures
Speaker 13: and then they they found out like these kids are
Speaker 13: getting gains. No, it was more like the weight loss,
Speaker 13: and that's what happened, and people kind of jumped onto that.
Speaker 13: So we're going to continue to learn about this stuff.
Speaker 13: And I wouldn't be surprised. I have well, I have
Speaker 13: a little idea about what might be the next protein,
Speaker 13: which is fiber, which has been ignored for a long time,
Speaker 13: but fiber is probably going to be have more attention
Speaker 13: coming up to.
Speaker 2: So normally think fiber, you think carbohydrates.
Speaker 13: You don't think protein, right, and you know it is carbs,
Speaker 13: but they're usually not absorbed carbohydrates, so you don't have
Speaker 13: to worry so much about all the calories you're getting
Speaker 13: in because they're just kind of kind of pushed through
Speaker 13: your your intestines and leave the body. And so fiber
Speaker 13: is like a toothbrush or you're colon exactly power washing
Speaker 13: out there. And that's actually a great metaphor. It's you know,
Speaker 13: it really kind of moves things along and keeps you healthy.
Speaker 13: And we'll see where that goes. I don't have a
Speaker 13: lot of data to back that up, but I know
Speaker 13: that fiber is really getting more attention.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we overthink a lot of this stuff too.
Speaker 2: You know when it comes to diet, and you know,
Speaker 2: exercise is important. You know, try to get up one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two a couple hours of physical activity
Speaker 2: week you keep your heart raking and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But you know what we put in our bodies. Some
Speaker 2: people are just so like John John from Over a Kiss,
Speaker 2: This this idiot. I see him in the kitchen the
Speaker 2: other day and he's got a bag of mushroom coffee.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've heard about the mushroom coffee is coffee
Speaker 2: and jeopardy. I said, why mushroom clut? Well, you know
Speaker 2: it makes me the real coffee hits me. I got
Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom, like, yeah, that's why we
Speaker 2: drink coffee in the morning, because it's an essential part
Speaker 2: of the going. Like I said, cheaper because I have
Speaker 2: coffee is pretty expensive right now, and like mushroom case.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, there's like a little bag, like eight
Speaker 2: ounce bag of mushroom coffee. He's like, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: forty five dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I said, what kind of idiot, what kind of first
Speaker 2: world white people crap are you pulling off here? On
Speaker 2: MLK Day of all things? Mushroom mushroom coffee. That's the
Speaker 2: whitest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 13: I love John John, and I will say I've seen
Speaker 13: this man and he is ripped and so like, you know,
Speaker 13: there are a lot of people that were He's fourteen
Speaker 13: years old.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be ripped.
Speaker 13: There are a lot of people that care about the
Speaker 13: minutia that haven't gotten those basic ingredients first, you know,
Speaker 13: eat whole foods, et cetera. John John's at a place
Speaker 13: that he can think about dabbling in the mushroom coffee,
Speaker 13: I think if he wants to. But it's it is
Speaker 13: about getting the basics right first, and that's what a
Speaker 13: lot of people just jump to the smallest things, even
Speaker 13: including the saturated fat debate.
Speaker 2: You know, the most important things.
Speaker 13: Think about your calories, think about where your ingredients are
Speaker 13: coming from, and far as far as your diet, and
Speaker 13: those are kind of the most important. Like you mentioned,
Speaker 13: get good movement, good strength, and exercise, sleep well, you know, hydrate.
Speaker 13: These are the important things. And once you start mastering that,
Speaker 13: then you can start diving into the minute ship. But
Speaker 13: our brains like to focus on the details before we
Speaker 13: get to the kind of big picture.
Speaker 7: First.
Speaker 2: Is it about you know, people hear this, okay, food
Speaker 2: permit stuff, But calories still matter.
Speaker 13: Calories still matter as far as everything you know, are
Speaker 13: they the whole picture? Well when it comes to weight
Speaker 13: loss kind of, but to pay attention to the calories,
Speaker 13: I still look at them on the back of every
Speaker 13: package I look at.
Speaker 2: But what I'm looking.
Speaker 13: At more these days is the ingredient and the ingredient list.
Speaker 13: To the point of the new guidelines, you know, eat
Speaker 13: real food, and so if I'm seeing words that I
Speaker 13: can't pronounce, I'm usually put in that package down.
Speaker 2: It's tough to avoid that though, isn't it. I mean, reality,
Speaker 2: it is. It is pretty hard.
Speaker 13: And that's the you know, that's that's one of the
Speaker 13: problems right now, is that oftentimes those whole foods, especially
Speaker 13: if you're going to try to pie a packaged ones
Speaker 13: will be more expensive. But you know, getting getting those
Speaker 13: real food stuff that you can cook at home if
Speaker 13: you have the time, and knowing exactly what's going into
Speaker 13: your food is one of the most important things you
Speaker 13: can do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the new dietary guidelines are relative to the
Speaker 2: food pyramid. Protein is prioritizing this and go for the
Speaker 2: lean proteins. Obviously, if you can skin on or skin
Speaker 2: off the chicken, where are you at on that one?
Speaker 2: Where am I at? Personally? I keep that skin on?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I just love it, But you know, yeah, I
Speaker 13: do have to realize that if I'm doing that I
Speaker 13: probably can't have dessert that night as far as Calorican
Speaker 13: take goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like chicken thighs are the new chicken thyes. I
Speaker 2: think are awesome because it's a lot cheaper and you know,
Speaker 2: as we look at the cost to meat these days,
Speaker 2: and there's a they taste really really good. I've been
Speaker 2: doing I've been doing instead of chicken wings because they're
Speaker 2: small and they're very expensive. It's like I'll get thighs
Speaker 2: and do them buffalo style that way and they're just good.
Speaker 13: So I used to do that with chicken breast. I
Speaker 13: just kinda cute hot fry them and throw some hot
Speaker 13: sauce on them.
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Speaker 13: Dine Well doc or Doctor sun Jay Sinc. Those are
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Speaker 2: There you go. Appreciate it, brother, Thank you. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: Want to be an American?
Speaker 2: Scott's phone returning out to seven hundred w welww. Ohio
Speaker 2: hemp band kicking in tomorrow and it's already in court.
Speaker 2: So a brewery CB shops at TCH drinkmakers, two of
Speaker 2: them here in Cincinnati as a matter of fact, and
Speaker 2: joined in the suits in fighting to survive, something voters
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly voted for, in my opinion, Back in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: State Senator Steve Hoffman sponsored that bill and its House
Speaker 2: bill or some sorry Senate Bill fifty six. And this
Speaker 2: thing has been I guess, taking apart and put back
Speaker 2: together so many times. I don't know if we resemble
Speaker 2: the initial one. But nonetheless, senator welcome.
Speaker 5: How are you doing well today? Doing well? That's Miami
Speaker 5: RedHawks won a great game.
Speaker 4: Light.
Speaker 2: Did you were at the game last night? Give me
Speaker 2: a breakdown?
Speaker 6: Oh, gone to a lot of these first four and
Speaker 6: that place was packed with red. The Miami fans were
Speaker 6: awesome and cheered them onto a victory. And I've never
Speaker 6: seen the team of hot shooting three points.
Speaker 2: Sixteen threes last night, and they got hot judged at
Speaker 2: the right time to pull ahead. It was an absolutely
Speaker 2: fantastic Gama. Couldn't be happier for Miami fans and the program.
Speaker 2: And also, let's face it, I'm very happy because I
Speaker 2: had Miami advancing in my bracket, so I won at
Speaker 2: least one of the two.
Speaker 7: Well maybe, yeah, you're a good right right?
Speaker 2: All right there, I just admitted to filling out an
Speaker 2: office bracket. Are the state lawmakers the legislature in Columbus?
Speaker 2: So are they going to take that away next? Because
Speaker 2: it seems like they got like going after stuff people enjoy,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, THHC and fused beverages.
Speaker 6: You know, you know, there's crazy. I've seen crazier things,
Speaker 6: but I've not heard that they're they're they're going to
Speaker 6: get rid of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know it's a it's a gateway
Speaker 2: betting is what it is, and then it gets out
Speaker 2: of control. And all right, so what is the latest
Speaker 2: You're hearing on the lawsuits here? So the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: could decide intervene here tomorrow. There's also a temporary straining
Speaker 2: order for one of these things as well. Can you
Speaker 2: can you take me through the legal pieces here and
Speaker 2: if a challenge, do you see the kind again? Your
Speaker 2: guest is probably as good as mine, maybe a little
Speaker 2: bit better. But do you see the courts intervening here?
Speaker 6: So, you know, so the petition people, you know, announced
Speaker 6: yesterday they were not going to get to the two
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty thousand, and so there's been a you know,
Speaker 6: earlier last week there was one filed that's the Supreme
Speaker 6: Court that basically said, you know, Supreme Court, make the
Speaker 6: governor not do that, make the General Assembly do something else,
Speaker 6: and so it's just to the Supreme Court. And then
Speaker 6: yesterday afternoon there was one filed in Franklin County based
Speaker 6: on you know, really two premises, one telling the you know,
Speaker 6: the force the governor not to undo his veto and
Speaker 6: the other one it's invoking the Interstate Commerce Clause, which
Speaker 6: basically says, we have a conflict. Yeah, so we have
Speaker 6: when getting rid of the hemp beverages in fifty six
Speaker 6: with his veto, we're now conflict. We're saying it's illegal
Speaker 6: in Ohio, but it's the federal government and says it's legal, right, right,
Speaker 6: So we're in conflict. But we won't be in conflict
Speaker 6: in November when it's illegal and in December.
Speaker 2: But the hope is that the federal government sees things
Speaker 2: like this and goes, you know what, people want this stuff.
Speaker 2: Let's back up, let's get a win here and quit
Speaker 2: hammering adults, grown adults who want to enjoy something they've
Speaker 2: been enjoying for quite some time. Because I think, Steven,
Speaker 2: we've talked about this back in twenty and twenty three,
Speaker 2: we approve recreational marijuana overwhelmingly in huge numbers. Senate Bill
Speaker 2: fifty six eliminated some protections there for users and more restrictions,
Speaker 2: and and I think it's another thing is like people said, well,
Speaker 2: we didn't vote for TC beverages, they weren't around that.
Speaker 2: I would disagree. I think, you know, if you want,
Speaker 2: if you want to consume cannabis in that fashion, I
Speaker 2: think you guys put some guardrails up. But the complete
Speaker 2: under ban of a legitimate product is insane to me.
Speaker 2: It feels and smells like to me, like the legislative body,
Speaker 2: the General Assembly, is overriding the will of people.
Speaker 5: Well, what's a correction.
Speaker 6: The House in the Senate voted and Senate Bill fifty
Speaker 6: six to allow these and did put guardrails around it
Speaker 6: that they had to be in a the liquor license,
Speaker 6: you had to only sell it to people over twenty
Speaker 6: one yep, in five milligrams. So that was what the
Speaker 6: General Assembly said, and the governor used to wine Item
Speaker 6: Vito to get rid of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So what I'm disappointed in, and you know we've talked
Speaker 6: many times before, when the federal government came in on
Speaker 6: the big beautiful bill and threw this in there, you know,
Speaker 6: to make these things illegal. Sometime in mid November of
Speaker 6: this year. I'm surprised, you know, four or five six
Speaker 6: months later. I thought the federal government would come back
Speaker 6: and say, you know, here's the guardrail in states. You
Speaker 6: decide on your own yep.
Speaker 5: But they haven't.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard really any chatter. And as you know,
Speaker 6: the federal government doesn't do anything for the last second
Speaker 6: to them, can you get your shut down? Maybe they
Speaker 6: don't even do it last.
Speaker 2: Year even then they just shut it down in punt.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's the problem, Senator Huffman. The referendum
Speaker 2: effort failed, and I think the other people who saw
Speaker 2: well it failed because they know no one wants this.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 2: I think they didn't get their two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand signatures because not because of public support, but because
Speaker 2: they only had a month to gather them. So does
Speaker 2: a failed signature drive, actually we don't hire and support
Speaker 2: this large. Does it mean they ran out of time?
Speaker 2: I think it's run out of time. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 6: I agree they actually had ninety days, and you know
Speaker 6: they lost time over the Christmas holiday. It's really hard
Speaker 6: in Ohio to get signatures and the debt of winter
Speaker 6: and you're not standing outside of department store.
Speaker 2: Below zero for like three straight weeks. So no one's
Speaker 2: standing out collecting signatory right.
Speaker 6: And you know, I sense things for going bad about
Speaker 6: you know, mid January, end of January when they announced
Speaker 6: that that they a lot of these things happened by
Speaker 6: paying people to do it, and they there was an
Speaker 6: announcement or maybe I heard it on the street that
Speaker 6: that they're no longer we're paying anybody.
Speaker 5: And so a lot of these.
Speaker 6: Bars and places that serve this stuff just took it
Speaker 6: upon themselves to have their patriots come in and in
Speaker 6: fineess and ties it that way and they which is
Speaker 6: a tough tough way to go, and particularly in rural Ohio,
Speaker 6: because you have to have so many from forty four counties.
Speaker 6: You just can't have them all from Hamilton and in Franklin,
Speaker 6: and those last four or five get really hard at
Speaker 6: the percent and how you have.
Speaker 7: To give them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate, but them's the rules right center. Bill
Speaker 2: fifty six a provision in there, and you tell me
Speaker 2: if this is taken out of context, if it's accurate,
Speaker 2: is that it can cost someone of their employment, benefits,
Speaker 2: their parenting rights. They could you could get kicked off
Speaker 2: an organ transplant list based solely on cannabis use, legal
Speaker 2: cannabis use in the state. Do those provisions still exist?
Speaker 2: Do the THC beverage band? Does that impact that whatsoever?
Speaker 2: Your thoughts?
Speaker 6: So those things are are technically true, that those things
Speaker 6: are things? Can a judge can consider. I believe that
Speaker 6: you know, you lose custo your child if you you
Speaker 6: have your child every other weekend and you partake in
Speaker 6: beverages or or smoke marijuana and you're not you don't
Speaker 6: do it around your kid. You're not high when you
Speaker 6: pick the kid up. That's what the judge, it says,
Speaker 6: the judge is supposed to take into consideration. And on
Speaker 6: the on the organ transplant, you know, you know if
Speaker 6: you're getting the kidney is one thing, But if you
Speaker 6: smoke marijuana the bad effects on your lungs, do you
Speaker 6: get a lung transplant? It just kind of says that
Speaker 6: it can't be the sole reason, but judges and other
Speaker 6: people can make a decision based on it's effect.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the test would be with THT beverages, vapes,
Speaker 2: tinctures and the other delivery systems for THHC. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: really shouldn't be high. You can't be high when you're
Speaker 2: on your kid. But how many people, how many parents,
Speaker 2: how many kids grew up listening to this thing, whether
Speaker 2: their parents would be in the backyard or the cookout
Speaker 2: or sell a bration and have a few beers, is
Speaker 2: it the same thing? And looking at that way, did
Speaker 2: they go, well, you know, this person was a picnic
Speaker 2: with their kid and was drinking in front of them.
Speaker 2: How's that any different than eating a gummy or hitting
Speaker 2: a vappen?
Speaker 5: No, I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 6: I think you know, if every weekend you're intoxicated from drinking,
Speaker 6: drinking beer or intoxicating with marijuana hemp is one thing,
Speaker 6: but you know, occasional beer and not being intoxicated there's
Speaker 6: another thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a state Senator, Steve Huffman. He sponsored
Speaker 2: Senate Bill fifty six. And this thing has been chopped
Speaker 2: up like a stolen car time and time and time again.
Speaker 2: And the Ohio Hemp Band kicks in tomorrow. It is
Speaker 2: largely it's one of the fastest growing beverage segments in
Speaker 2: America as a matter of fact, and so many people
Speaker 2: are turned on to it because they like the way
Speaker 2: they feel after they're doing two or three or more
Speaker 2: of these THFC and fused beverage instead of alcohols THC.
Speaker 2: They feel that they recover better the next day, there's
Speaker 2: not the hangover effect. They don't feel like they do
Speaker 2: after alcohol. And so we're seeing the craft industry kind
Speaker 2: of fade and the THC infused beveragestry to pick up,
Speaker 2: and not just in Ohio, but elsewhere around the country
Speaker 2: where this isn't a problem. And I think that's the
Speaker 2: other thing here. It seems like other states can handle this,
Speaker 2: even despite what the federal government is going to do.
Speaker 2: Why is Ohio so different about this?
Speaker 6: I agree, you see it being responsibly done in other states.
Speaker 6: And the House in the Senate thought we could.
Speaker 2: They thought better. They but you know it doesn't help
Speaker 2: Republicans control of course the state House. And then you
Speaker 2: know the same bodies will say, well, look at Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: it's a disaster. That's why you need to have more reply.
Speaker 2: I think we have a divided governments better. But nonetheless
Speaker 2: I look at that and go, well, how is this
Speaker 2: anything less than a big brother nanny state where you
Speaker 2: can tell adults who clearly want this stuff that they
Speaker 2: can't have it because we see some loopholes in here
Speaker 2: that makes us say no, you can have it, and
Speaker 2: that it seems to me that's what you're up against
Speaker 2: there in Columbus.
Speaker 6: Dyve No, I agree, And you know, looking forward, you
Speaker 6: know where does this go? I mean we've there's been
Speaker 6: some discussion on overriding the veto. There's not a large
Speaker 6: a group of people in either body the center of
Speaker 6: the House. I don't think that is like gun ho
Speaker 6: about overriding the veto on this. And if we did,
Speaker 6: it would still take ninety days to take effect. So
Speaker 6: if it say we did it April first July, for
Speaker 6: you could have the beverages again. But are these people
Speaker 6: that are producing these are they going to be able
Speaker 6: to idle their plants or idol what they do for
Speaker 6: one hundred days and then they produced for four months,
Speaker 6: and then the federal band kicks in and then they're
Speaker 6: out of business again.
Speaker 5: That would be tough.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, there's thought about bringing a new build
Speaker 6: to have all those regulations and stuff. But until the
Speaker 6: first or second week of January and the governor de
Speaker 6: wine I think we put him on put it on
Speaker 6: his desk again, he would he would detow it again.
Speaker 6: So it's really not going to happen this year. And
Speaker 6: I don't you know whoever's going to be governor. I
Speaker 6: have not heard Amy acton or VI mention hemp, beveragers
Speaker 6: or marijuana in any real way, So who knows what
Speaker 6: if they wouldn't be towed or they'd be encouraging them.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned, Senator Huffman. The message this sends the
Speaker 2: business and that is, hey, you make a product, you
Speaker 2: come up with a better mouse trap, so to speak,
Speaker 2: and people enjoy it, they like it, they demand it,
Speaker 2: and then we just simply shut you down. Why would
Speaker 2: I invest money in the Buckeye State if that is
Speaker 2: the pattern.
Speaker 6: Well, I hope to think it's not a pattern. I
Speaker 6: think we've helped a lot of businesses, but no, I
Speaker 6: can certainly understand that hopefully they'll be able to you know,
Speaker 6: malt liquors or seltzers or whatever they were putting THHD in.
Speaker 6: You know that they can, you know, start running those
Speaker 6: lines with beer or some type of alcohol and make money,
Speaker 6: because you know, you look at what we did. We
Speaker 6: were limited to five milligrams, but the House and the
Speaker 6: Senate said you can brew it to up to twenty
Speaker 6: and sell that in Indiana and Kentucky or wherever else
Speaker 6: around the country you want, where it's legal, but have
Speaker 6: people here employed and sell it elsewhere and make money
Speaker 6: and bring that tax to the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, and I know you're a physician by
Speaker 2: trade and not an attorney, because god knows, we don't
Speaker 2: have enough attorneys in the General Assembly. But nonetheless, you're
Speaker 2: hearing the Supreme Court is going to rule tomorrow on
Speaker 2: this thing. Because the band goes into effect the law's
Speaker 2: effective date that the ruling will most likely go against
Speaker 2: the hemp beverage industry, and if that's right, is essentially finished.
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like this is fatalistic. If you
Speaker 2: turn your taps off, you're not going to turn them
Speaker 2: back on. And if during this appeal, because you're waiting
Speaker 2: on that decision, it might go against you. And also
Speaker 2: you have, as you mentioned, the federal band in place.
Speaker 2: I think it feels to me like tht beverages are
Speaker 2: done in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 5: Well, you got the federal or the.
Speaker 6: Ohio Supreme Court, which I'm told is not a very
Speaker 6: good argument at all. But then you have this a
Speaker 6: request for a temporary straining order in Franklin County about
Speaker 6: the interstate commerce clause. And you've seen a lot on
Speaker 6: different abortion things and other things.
Speaker 5: Is they just flack the.
Speaker 6: Temporary restraining order out there and say, well, I don't know,
Speaker 6: but I'm going to figure it out. And sometimes it
Speaker 6: takes a few week and sometimes it takes a few months.
Speaker 6: So I think that is what the industry is kind
Speaker 6: of looking at to get this temporary you know, they
Speaker 6: go to the most liberal places and that's to.
Speaker 2: Try to find out that's how it is.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: So it's called the dormant commerce clause, and that's the
Speaker 2: argument they're going to use, is that Ohio can't give
Speaker 2: preference to a state product over a competing product. From
Speaker 2: another state. Is there any merit to that in your opinion?
Speaker 6: Like you said, I'm not the attorney, but the people
Speaker 6: I talk to say there is some merit, but it
Speaker 6: has never really been tested in this way from a
Speaker 6: fort or interpreted the way they want to.
Speaker 5: But you know, maybe they look at it differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just have a problem because THC and
Speaker 2: few Saria hemp in few THHT drinks were it was
Speaker 2: a growing revenue stream for craft rowis another band, and
Speaker 2: that's why they're fighting this in court. It's a survival
Speaker 2: issue for them. And I have a problem with Republicans
Speaker 2: touting that they're pro business when they do things like
Speaker 2: this and necessarily not necessarily you, but others because and
Speaker 2: including the governor for that matter. So what is your
Speaker 2: message to Ohioans then, Steve Hoffman who voted yes on
Speaker 2: two in twenty twenty three, people who use marijuana legally
Speaker 2: and responsibly and now find out, well, you could lose
Speaker 2: your job, your kids, an organ transplant, and I can't
Speaker 2: get something that I've enjoyed for the past couple of years. Anyway,
Speaker 2: what do you say to those voters? What do you
Speaker 2: say to those people who don't feel represented.
Speaker 6: Well, I overall think that fifty six will make the
Speaker 6: marijuana industry better, less regulation, hopefully bring down the price,
Speaker 6: do that stuff like that. We've talked about the taxes
Speaker 6: that are going to the local jurisdictions, so those are
Speaker 6: good things. But you know, I think people need to
Speaker 6: make sure that there are people that represent them at
Speaker 6: the state in the federal level about the need need
Speaker 6: for this, or that they want this, and hopefully the
Speaker 6: Feds and then the state will be able to change
Speaker 6: that to get to get it to happen again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we've we've kind of we screwed up. It's
Speaker 2: amazing to me. It seems like we take something that's
Speaker 2: like a golden money tree and we screwed up. The
Speaker 2: nil thing is all messed up with the unclaimed funds.
Speaker 2: Instead of you know, attacks on legal gaming, which gamers
Speaker 2: and the industry said, yeah, that's fine because it's not
Speaker 2: like New York or California or taking half of it.
Speaker 2: It'd be and we didn't want to do that. And
Speaker 2: now we have this issue going on going, hey, we
Speaker 2: got all this money coming in from marijuana. Now we
Speaker 2: don't want that never mind. And yet you know, the
Speaker 2: state is flushed with money, but local municipalities aren't. Cincinnati
Speaker 2: City Cincinnati faces a budget crisis right now, and that's
Speaker 2: that's money that could be coming in. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't know why. I don't
Speaker 2: know why we have people who are pearl clutters and
Speaker 2: something that's been proven to help the human condition. As
Speaker 2: a physician, I think you admit that there's just a
Speaker 2: lot of positives with cannabis, But again, it's a it's
Speaker 2: a grown adult putting something in their body they choose to,
Speaker 2: so there's a risk of intoxication and doing something that
Speaker 2: could get you into trouble, hurt, injured, or dead. But again,
Speaker 2: if you're an adult and you're doing this or not
Speaker 2: allong kids to do it, this is not a problem.
Speaker 2: This is a solution in search of one. State Senator
Speaker 2: Steve Hoffman, as always, thanks for coming on the show
Speaker 2: this morning. Have a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 5: You take care, Take care.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, before I get into we got issues in the
Speaker 2: Sloan Householders always here. That's why you tune in is
Speaker 2: to hear about the issues. And my wife and I
Speaker 2: go at each other because it's a sign of a healthy,
Speaker 2: healthy relations and shit. So I get home yesterday and
Speaker 2: I'm on the couch. I'm on my phone getting some answering,
Speaker 2: some emails and texts and stuff like that, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I hear this noise and it sounds
Speaker 2: like a big woosh. I'm like, what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on? And the dog comes running in, but this
Speaker 2: tail between his legs. What the hell happened in the kitchen?
Speaker 7: I go in.
Speaker 2: It looked like a crime scene. There's there's like white
Speaker 2: residue all over the bottom of the cabinets, all over
Speaker 2: the floor, partly on his face. My wife, God bless her.
Speaker 2: In the morning, she gets her coffee, and what she
Speaker 2: likes to put in her coffee is an amalgam of products.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's in their flavorings. There's elixirs, there's
Speaker 2: I don't know. She does a seance over each cop
Speaker 2: and I'm not allowed to make her coffee because there's
Speaker 2: a specific sugar to fake sugar to product ratio that's
Speaker 2: going on here. It's a whole thing. And the witches
Speaker 2: brew if you will, And so she she One of
Speaker 2: the things she does is she will top it with
Speaker 2: whipped cream. So I buy the Costco aerosolized whipped cream
Speaker 2: for her, and she gives the habit is the doggle bag,
Speaker 2: and she gets it's the dog a little like that
Speaker 2: in the mouth, and the dog like, okay, good. So
Speaker 2: she puts it in the overfilled and I got to
Speaker 2: take the recycling out, but the recycling container and it
Speaker 2: goes in there. The lid doesn't shut on the recycling
Speaker 2: can in the kitchen, and the dog sees the can.
Speaker 2: And the dog's pretty smart when it comes to dogs.
Speaker 2: A stupid son of a bitch. But when when you
Speaker 2: put food around this dog, he could do your taxes.
Speaker 2: And so he gets somehow grabs just the can by
Speaker 2: the little tip tippy thing, just the tip, and pulls it,
Speaker 2: steps it on the floor upright and is chewing on
Speaker 2: the top with the sugar is of course, Now what
Speaker 2: happens is that little white thing, this flexible breaks and
Speaker 2: gets stuck in a position where the can turns into
Speaker 2: a whippet. So the thing spinning around on the floor.
Speaker 2: It's throwing whipped cream, residue and power whatever it is
Speaker 2: in there, all over the place, all over the dog.
Speaker 2: The dog flips out. He's now high because essentially he's
Speaker 2: got nitrous bumps because he's doing a whipp it. So
Speaker 2: the dog stoned out of his mind, and I got
Speaker 2: to clean the kitchen up. So it was a good day.
Speaker 2: It was a good day. The cabinets and base sports
Speaker 2: are clean. I took care of it. I took job,
Speaker 2: and my wife ordered me by bringing home girl scout cookies.
Speaker 8: I did. I you know, the little girl that was
Speaker 8: at the checkout or in the lobby or whatever, and
Speaker 8: I always say, I'll get you on the way out.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to buy the cookies before I go in.
Speaker 8: So then I was kind of hoping that maybe she
Speaker 8: wouldn't be there when I left Kroger, but she was
Speaker 8: still there. And I looked at her and said, okay,
Speaker 8: I promised you cookies. So I went and bought two
Speaker 8: boxes of cookies. And I tried a new flavor this year.
Speaker 8: I just called it, Hey, give me a box of
Speaker 8: lemon and she said she corrected me and said, it's lemonade.
Speaker 2: Oh, they're lemonade, Coki.
Speaker 5: Well is it?
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, hon, is it in a glass?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Then it's lemon The eight is the liquid part. These
Speaker 2: are liquid. These are solids that would be lemon lemonade
Speaker 2: is the liquid forest. It's like gas and solids. Never mind.
Speaker 8: And I got the chocolate peanut butter right, the little
Speaker 8: chocolate I don't know what they're called, but the little
Speaker 8: chocolate peanut butter ones. Yes, there were thin mints there,
Speaker 8: Oh my god, but I didn't go for the thin
Speaker 8: bing is is like, what.
Speaker 2: Kind of and yeah, obviously sugar is a big thing
Speaker 2: and all, uh, what kind of animal doesn't bring the
Speaker 2: thin mints home?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 8: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: How did you do that? How are you not feeling thing?
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? That's like, you know what?
Speaker 2: That's like getting a bag of guardettos in leaving. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna eat the rye part. That's the best part,
Speaker 2: right exactly. Everyone goes, oh, that's the best part. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want that. I want to I want the
Speaker 2: knock off pretzels that are in there. No, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I didn't feel the thin mints. I didn't feel like
Speaker 8: I wanted to buy three or four.
Speaker 2: But you gotta have That's where the flavor is.
Speaker 8: Boxes.
Speaker 2: You got three, three different kinds of girl scouts because
Speaker 2: you got your lemonade, you get your peanut butter rounds,
Speaker 2: and then you got your thin mintes. But the flavors
Speaker 2: and the thin mints, that's where the that's where the
Speaker 2: flavor is.
Speaker 8: All right, the girls will be there. I'll go back
Speaker 8: and get you a box of things. See, here's what happened,
Speaker 8: and the reason why, the true reason why I did
Speaker 8: not buy thin mints. We buy thin min's and then
Speaker 8: we act like their gold. So we put them in
Speaker 8: the freezer and then they last year when we moved,
Speaker 8: I had a box of thin Mints in the freezer
Speaker 8: that had.
Speaker 2: Been there that you're so good.
Speaker 8: He wants to open them, so they save them for
Speaker 8: a special occasion. Well, that special occasion ever came and
Speaker 8: I had a box of thin Mints in the freezer.
Speaker 8: So I said, I'm not buying a box of thin
Speaker 8: Min's because we we wasted a whole box last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not good at the portion control with us.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at me. Yeah, I know it's it's
Speaker 2: really hair well and I'm inspired. Always go back to
Speaker 2: I had a guy I used to know I used
Speaker 2: to work with as an engineer, and uh, you know engineers,
Speaker 2: how they think it's like math and numbers and everything.
Speaker 2: And he would buy a certain number of boxes every
Speaker 2: of thin Min's every year. I forget how many. It's
Speaker 2: a ridiculous number of boxes of thin Mints. And he
Speaker 2: would have two thin Mints exactly every night with his
Speaker 2: after dinner, just for an entire year. And he spaced
Speaker 2: it out so that any factored vacation days, there, holidays,
Speaker 2: and came up to the exact number of boxes to buy,
Speaker 2: so that he would eat the last two Girl Scout
Speaker 2: cookies the day before the next round of Girl Scout
Speaker 2: Cookies would come out.
Speaker 14: Wow, what kind of discipline. And that's like Navy seal
Speaker 14: level discipline. That is incredible and it is something that
Speaker 14: we no idea. No no one listening does either, no
Speaker 14: one listening does. Let's talk about real estate stuff. We
Speaker 14: move on from sugar products.
Speaker 8: Okay, to the Federal Reserve. Yesterday they held the interst
Speaker 8: rates steady. The Federate is steady. That was expected. There
Speaker 8: was only one vote to say let's lower them, and
Speaker 8: that was a Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Person, pretty important person.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was very but it was eleven to one.
Speaker 8: They held the rate steady. Again, we expected that to happen.
Speaker 8: There's a lot going on in the world. We don't
Speaker 8: need to be messing with the interest rates at this point.
Speaker 8: What that did do, though, is it surged the mortgage
Speaker 8: interest rates up a little bit. We have been hovering
Speaker 8: right around six percent for a mortgage interest rate average
Speaker 8: thirty year fixed six percent. As of this morning, it's
Speaker 8: up to six and a quarter. It's likely to fluctuate
Speaker 8: this in all of twenty twenty six. We really don't
Speaker 8: expect big fluctuations one way or another, certainly not lower good.
Speaker 8: We expect to be right around that six percent six
Speaker 8: and a quarter. Maybe you go to like a five
Speaker 8: nine to eight or something like that. You can always
Speaker 8: buy down the rate, and as you know, you can
Speaker 8: always refinance. And if you get a higher rate today,
Speaker 8: if the rates do go down a year from now
Speaker 8: or six months from now, you can always refinance. So
Speaker 8: expect the mortgage interest rates in twenty twenty six at
Speaker 8: least for the second third quarter to be right around
Speaker 8: six percent.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Well, so what does that mean for buyer sellers?
Speaker 8: You know, I think right now buyers, there's a lot
Speaker 8: of pent up demand. We are seeing the spring market,
Speaker 8: which honestly, March first started to go absolutely berserk. We
Speaker 8: started to see people. I think everybody has been just
Speaker 8: shut in because of the weather and it's been unbelievable
Speaker 8: and everybody's like, I need a new house. I want
Speaker 8: to sell my house, I need to move. Something needs
Speaker 8: to move. So there are a lot more buyers out
Speaker 8: there than there are sellers. Again, that creates a seller's market.
Speaker 8: And there are still some homes that have not sold
Speaker 8: from last fall. And I would say, if you're a buyer,
Speaker 8: don't be afraid to look at the homes that are
Speaker 8: still on the market, and because they are opportunities for
Speaker 8: great instant equity and there may not be anything wrong
Speaker 8: with them because over the winter we had very few
Speaker 8: showings on these homes and people just didn't go out.
Speaker 8: We were just frozen. We were frozen, all right.
Speaker 2: But if the rates are stable, it's at me.
Speaker 8: It's like a new normal. It's fine. It's not seven percent,
Speaker 8: which is not good. It's six percent, which is which
Speaker 8: is It's a good, happy medium.
Speaker 2: Right now, what's the outlook.
Speaker 8: The outlook is it's going to be again. It's going
Speaker 8: to be strong and steady. It's just going to be steady.
Speaker 8: It's not going to be gangbusters, there's not going to
Speaker 8: be a crash of any kind. It's just going to
Speaker 8: be kind of a nice even steady.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, steady steady. So what does that mean for the markets?
Speaker 2: And if you're looking for a house you want to sell.
Speaker 8: You need to do it. Go ahead, do it. What
Speaker 8: are you waiting for?
Speaker 2: What I'm waiting for is five percent?
Speaker 8: You're not going to wait?
Speaker 2: Well, I want four percent. I want That want was
Speaker 2: three percent. My back in the day, we had three
Speaker 2: per I want three percent.
Speaker 8: That is never in my lifetime and probably.
Speaker 2: Going to happen again.
Speaker 8: Ever going to happen again.
Speaker 2: So wait five years and that then'll be the fact
Speaker 2: of five.
Speaker 8: Well, no, I don't think so, I really don't, because
Speaker 8: it created it honestly created a situation that we're in
Speaker 8: today where people still are holding on to those three
Speaker 8: percent rates. They don't want to sell their house because
Speaker 8: they know they're going to have to go, they're going
Speaker 8: to have to double it. And so as far as
Speaker 8: the market is concerned, I think right now we're slow
Speaker 8: and steady. There's a lot of people out there looking
Speaker 8: their buyers are being very picky sellers. Just you still
Speaker 8: have sellers, I will have to say, you have to
Speaker 8: do your prep work. There was a time a year
Speaker 8: or so ago when things were flying off the market
Speaker 8: in minutes. That's not happening today. There may be in
Speaker 8: certain school districts and certain properties are going to go
Speaker 8: really really quickly, So you just have to be ready.
Speaker 8: So as far as the market is concerned, it's slow
Speaker 8: and steady. But at the same time, you got to
Speaker 8: be ready. If you're ready, you're ready.
Speaker 2: So what's the what do you see the demand this season?
Speaker 2: Because we are now officially in house buying house selling season,
Speaker 2: people want to get stuff done. Probably there's that rush
Speaker 2: right before school starts to get in a district. But
Speaker 2: even during the summer, it's pretty busy. So what do
Speaker 2: you see the summer.
Speaker 8: No, there's definitely demand right now. I mean again, we've
Speaker 8: been we've been really open for business since March first,
Speaker 8: and that's when the lock came off the real estate
Speaker 8: door and everybody is rushing in. So I expect it
Speaker 8: to be pretty busy, pretty busy. And that gets me
Speaker 8: to the next topic is making sure that if you
Speaker 8: are selling, your curb appeal has to be on point.
Speaker 8: You can't just have, you know, a ratty lawn and uh,
Speaker 8: you're going to have to take care of your take
Speaker 8: care of the outside of your home.
Speaker 2: So clean your bushes and shrubs up and tend to
Speaker 2: your trees. That is absolutely true.
Speaker 8: The spring prep is on right now, and the weather
Speaker 8: is going to be gorgeous this weekend. And the interesting
Speaker 8: thing there, I have five things you ready, I think
Speaker 8: it's a little later in my.
Speaker 2: Hey you got a couple, Hey got a couple of minutes,
Speaker 2: Go ahead, just run.
Speaker 8: The five mistakes that you can make for your lawn
Speaker 8: and landscape right.
Speaker 2: Number one is not to buy thin mint's. Number two
Speaker 2: is to teach dogs to like whipped cream.
Speaker 8: Okay, Waiting too long to start is the biggest mistake,
Speaker 8: because you know, if it is right now, we're going
Speaker 8: to be in the eighties on Sunday. Yay. Our weeds
Speaker 8: are already germinating. We're already seeing some of the weeds
Speaker 8: start to pop, right, and that's when you know it's happening.
Speaker 8: All of the weeds are coming up. And so this
Speaker 8: is the weekend. In the next probably ten days, you've
Speaker 8: got to get on top of that. Otherwise you're going
Speaker 8: to have weeds.
Speaker 2: All year, right, right, right, So get your creen, get
Speaker 2: your ground clear, get your grass kicked out, get get
Speaker 2: your round up, get a mask on, don't breed that
Speaker 2: stuff in and on fire away.
Speaker 8: It's what you're saying, That's what I'm saying. The number
Speaker 8: two mistake that you could make is the difference between
Speaker 8: do you know what the difference between a queen queen,
Speaker 8: a clean lawn and a weedy mess?
Speaker 2: Do you know the difference? Yeah, there's fewer weeds on
Speaker 2: a non weedy lawn.
Speaker 8: Yeah, crab grass prevention again, did I talk about that
Speaker 8: dumb question?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: What's the different?
Speaker 2: A lot it has lots of weeds and a lot
Speaker 2: that doesn't have weeds, I would say weeds.
Speaker 8: I think you did? You did you already mess that.
Speaker 2: Kind of Yeah, yeah, you put some of that stuff down.
Speaker 2: But again you may need a law company to come
Speaker 2: in or just yeah, if you have a How much
Speaker 2: does that add to curb appeal though? Does it really
Speaker 2: translate to more money?
Speaker 8: Oh? Absolutely yes, yeah, because when people see huge patches
Speaker 8: in your lawn and and things of that and it's
Speaker 8: it's all nasty, it does make a difference when they
Speaker 8: go in and they when you have the wow factor
Speaker 8: on your curb appeal, that makes a huge difference.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if there's bare patches, you know, you can throw
Speaker 2: some patch down and just got to lightly rake it
Speaker 2: or get the kind that's in the bag and you spray,
Speaker 2: just spray it all down. And me with you're messing
Speaker 2: with my I gotta get going. Oh, I said, you
Speaker 2: got two minutes, you talk one topic, you talk for ten.
Speaker 2: You're a gibber jabber. Do you know that my wife
Speaker 2: is a legendary gibber jabber. I like the gibber down
Speaker 2: here is a gibber jabber. Scott, do not cut the
Speaker 2: grass too short. It's too soon to do that. Okay,
Speaker 2: a lot of people got their lawnmowers out. I saw
Speaker 2: a couple of people cutting their grass. Oh not right now,
Speaker 2: not too short, not too soon, too short, too soon,
Speaker 2: got it Leave it high.
Speaker 8: First, fe mos, you got to keep it higher. And
Speaker 8: then don't over Malt drives me crazy, even like the
Speaker 8: street crews that come through and they like seven feet
Speaker 8: up the trunk of the tree. Wrong, bad, bad, don't
Speaker 8: do it.
Speaker 7: Don't do that. Don't do it.
Speaker 2: Also, get rid of like you keep piling an old
Speaker 2: bunch on new much new, mult on old, and it's
Speaker 2: you've got this mountain. You gotta get to get rid
Speaker 2: of something old put on the lawn. I'll break down,
Speaker 2: I'll be good, right, that's all right, Love, you gotta go,
Speaker 2: gotta go, man, oh man, Well go to go to
Speaker 2: the store. Buy some whip cream.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna get some finance for you.
Speaker 2: Just the pack one one pack, one sleeve of Thinness
Speaker 2: is all I asked. All right, Love, you gotta go.
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