WEBVTT - 3-19-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.200 Don't want to be an Americandi. 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:04.800 There we go back half the week, get effect here 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.920 seven hundred wlwt in the weather looking good. No, but 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.879 there are some storm clouds right now over the top 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.800 of city Hall. So the city comes out with a servi. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.160 They ask Cincinnatians what do you like? What do you dislike? 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.639 And it came out that Cincinnatis are frustrated. We've got potholes, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.320 we've got bad roads, we got rising crime, at least 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.520 the perception of violence downtown and elsewhere, shootings at Riverfront 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.280 Live and beyond. We've got quality of life that is 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.640 not so good. And in light of that, council just 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.720 voted by the narrowest of margins to spend eight million 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.120 dollars on River Bend two point zero anyway, And the 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.680 sponsor that bill joins the show now on seven hundred 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.960 w that would be Anna Alby, who is in the 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.400 bunker right now. She's in the bunker. There's incoming flak 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:53.120 from her own party. She's under fire. She's under fire. Anna, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.160 I'll be welcome to the show. How are you hey? 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.200 Good morning, good morning. I appreciate that opting to be 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.240 here today about this great new music venue. We're going 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:04.559 to get in Cincinnati, all. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.600 Right, So let's begin with that. There were I mentioned 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.240 the eight economic indicators suggested a fewer people visited downtown 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.040 in twenty twenty five over twenty twenty four. Could that 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:14.800 be the economy? 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:15.040 Sure? 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.080 Could it be the crime spike and the perception that 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.399 Cincinnati is dystopian from the suburban nights, that you need 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.960 to come in every so often and pay for stuff 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.360 through the form of taxes. A bus ridership dropped in 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.160 the core weekdays are down street cars down Bank's amenity 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.440 fever at their revenue dropped eleven percent year over year. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.880 Certainly the hamlet County South tex grew six percent, but 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.440 it didn't appear to reach downtown businesses. So people in residence. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.199 You asked the survey and the number roads number one 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.320 among the thirteen city services, and it was dead last 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.720 and satisfaction. We're going to see, as you know, with 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.680 the snow now gone, it's pothole hell in Cincinnati. We're 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.360 about ten years behind fixing this whole thing. But that's 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.760 the truth. The optics are that you guys are taking 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.280 money to spa on a music venue and not take 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:02.720 care into the roads. How do you defend that. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.000 Uh, well, we so thank you for bringing up the survey. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.280 I do want to also highlight, you know, last year 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.919 was an interesting time because the Convention Center was also construction, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.320 so under construction. So hoping now that that's up and 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.840 running and you know, well and in a couple of 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.240 years here at the hotel back online. These are the 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.600 types of investments a city really needs to make to 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.080 make sure that we do have that exciting urban core 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.280 that people have something to come down to and spend 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.800 their money at. So these are all big investments that 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.519 we make at the city. And so this the next venue, 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.720 the Farmer Music Center with River Bend two point zero, 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.480 whatever you want to call it, is going to be 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.320 one of those big marquee attractions. You know, I'm absolutely 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.560 throughout the previous River Bend, which I think we all 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:51.560 knew and loved and I spent many well that I mean, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.120 I've got some good, good memory from Warp Tour back. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:54.359 In the day. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:55.880 But you won. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.680 Yeah, it was out out of the out the city 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.040 of Cincinnati was in you know, Anderson. The new Farmer 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.240 Center is going to Music Center is going to be 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.520 in the city, which means we are going to benefit 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.600 from earning stacks, so when people are working jobs there, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.919 but then also the emission stack, the pickettack, so as 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.440 musical acts and attractions are putting on performance there, the 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.880 city of Cincinnati gets this slice of that. And so 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.639 looking at this is a huge investment for the Cincinnati 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.400 Symphony Orchestra. The one hundred and sixty million dollar price 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.480 tag for this new facility here, and it's gonna be 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.800 great the city of Cincinnati. We're putting an eight million 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.200 We are going to earn those dollars back in like 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.240 five years, and then we are one to continue to 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.680 make that money for the rest of the life of 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:48.440 this venue. And that's strep dollars into the city budget, right. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.400 And on top of that, you've got to quote economic impact, 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.040 which the indicators show that we're expecting one hundred million 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.640 dollars of economic impact. So to your kind of key 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.960 up around people coming down town, I know this is 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.240 a quite downtown Cincinnati, and visitors are going to stay 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.000 at our hotels, go to our restaurants, visit our small businesses, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.840 go to our museum center. Do all of those things 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:13.440 that I love about Cincinnati. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.680 One may ask, though an all but is that okay, 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.880 it's not like this is a brand new bill. Now 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.320 you're making it bigger and better and better, absolutely, and 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.240 which is way overneeded because you go and you look, 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.640 it looks kind of tired in there. It's still a 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.159 great quest. Yeah, you get a great, great play. You know, 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.320 the bathrooms are hard to get to and and uh, 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.880 it needs it needs a little jugien up. There's not 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.120 even the River Bend. People say that I and it's 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.320 such a crown jewel. You're right about keeping that going. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.080 But I guess the question I would have is this 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.200 is not a new bill. This is not new revenue coming. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:43.919 And maybe slightly if you had a more stage and 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.760 more many of these maybe get bigger action. But you're 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:49.720 saying that this is going to be a big boon 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.000 to the economy. But the boon's already there, isn't it. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.640 I mean, you may see a little bit of an 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.440 increase in revenue, but it ain't. It's not going to 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.880 be like new revenue because River Bends already existing. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.159 It's a new stage. So the River Bend that you 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.760 and I know and love is going offline, and the 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.440 Farmer Music Center is going to be a new State, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.120 a new amphitheater with seating for up to twenty thousand people. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.200 I don't know the exact seating of Old River Bend, 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.480 but I know this is going to be larger, and 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.240 that means you can attract bigger acts, right, more people 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.080 coming to putting Cincinnati on their summer tour lineup. I mean, 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:26.600 I can't tell you how many times I go to 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.040 look up a favorite artist in the nearest place they 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.680 are is Columbus or Lobo or Indianapolis. Right, So we 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.760 can have the opportunity here to be that summer destination 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.400 for those summer acts that are going on tour. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.520 I guess the pushback there would be kind of a 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.960 little bit about this with you know, Live Nation, Ticketmaster 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.000 and all those things are into the business. Anna, is 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:49.240 that the problem that I hear from promoters is that 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.440 the big acts and I'm talking like you know, the 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.320 Foo Fighter stuff like that, right, big big acts beyond it, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:55.960 they want one hundred percent of the gate. The problem 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.920 is the deal is that MEBI takes like thirty five 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.560 percent off the top, and that's why they go to 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.760 other states, not here. Not all the reasons, but one 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.760 of the main reasons, how does that remedy this. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:06.599 Hey, I don't. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.520 I don't know about me and ized revenue stream exact. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.360 I don't know the details there. But when you're talking 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.600 about acts that day, right, Beyonce can Philip hey Court, right, 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.160 Taylor Swift effect, and I think we would all love 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.160 for a Beyonce concert here, right, So then you're in 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:22.760 a difference. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.119 I mean, I guess we're of a stadium like Taylor Swift. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.600 But the point is that if they're taking a more 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.640 than a third off the top and the premioer's like, well, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:31.880 we want one hundred percent of the gate for the 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.320 bigger X. Is that why we don't get the bigger AX? 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:35.400 Is that a question you asked? 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.279 There are so many acts though that that aren't the 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.960 Beyonces of the world, that we still want to come here. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.800 This will be a destination. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:44.760 Uh. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.000 And honestly, like, there is nothing better than enjoying a 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.000 wonderful summer day watching musical acts. It's one of my 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.719 favorite things. And to be able to be also a 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:59.160 home for the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, the opera, the ballet hopefully. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.760 I don't know if you remember this, but during COVID times, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.600 the Opera did performances outside in a park way up 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.240 in Blue ash and I fall carmon there and to 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.280 this day my favorite performance at the opera. It was 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.080 just you take this art form that usually kind of 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.400 in music hall and kind of has that got ro 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.080 to it and brought it to the people, you know, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.000 on lawn chairs, and it was one of the most 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:23.440 fun actidomies. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.920 That's the type of potential. I don't know if the 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.400 model is though, that we're going to see the bigger 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.560 acts because of the way the revenue stream, the way 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.280 of the revenue sharing works. And I'll be council member 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.800 who sponsored a resolution to take eight million dollars and 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.360 I would say fairly an investment, not just giving an 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.760 eight million dollar grant, but she expects a five year 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.680 return on that investment and then in perpetuity. And this 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.679 has got to get done as part of the twenty 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.880 twenty seven budget, which got told July first to get 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:53.040 this done. So she seth Walsh, Nolan Owens and James 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.239 all voting yes. The nose were council members Jeffrey Kearney, Johnson, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.440 and Jeffrey Kramerding will be on the show tomorrow to 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.000 kind of respond to this as well. On the no 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.000 side of this thing, we do you face a thirty 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.720 five million dollar general fund deficit, the eight million would 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.160 come from a separate budget. I think there's a distinction 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.600 there that that is emphasized. But at the same time, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.120 I know the mayor came at you pretty hard yesterday 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.800 during the meeting and impressed you on what the actual 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:21.280 funding app is and specifically why eight million dollars in 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.920 the project is the project game to perceived because you're 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.239 still like one hundred million short. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.000 Right, great question, Yeah, this is you know, this is 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.200 a big project. The full all in press stag is 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.559 one hundred and sixty millions. But along the way there 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.680 are key milestones the CSO needs to meet the keep 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.480 construction going so it can actually open on time. The 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.400 goal is to open this venue spring twenty twenty seven, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.720 so we got like what twelve to fourteen months here 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.320 to get it done. So you know, this eight million 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.040 helps get to that next key funding milestone to make 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.120 sure that construction is ongoing because you see you also 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.600 probably saw this week the latest reports on the cost 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.920 of the Brent Spence Bridge. Yeah, right, when these things 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.920 drag out costs. Just the loon they get bigger and bigger, right, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.880 So being able to get this money early and make 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.480 sure the process is going is so vital. And we 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.360 talk about that all the time at city Hall. We 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.280 hear over and over time as money time is money, 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.640 time is money. And in this case, you know, we're 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:22.040 not talking about housing development or convention center bridge. We're 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.800 talking about a non profit that is bringing on this 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:30.600 nation leading you know, music venue, bringing that to our city. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.439 So we got to beither to help our art scene. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.480 And it's just an extra bonus to me that it's 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.760 such a strong nonprofit leader with the Cincinna Symphony Orchestra. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:43.640 Council member Analybe the city manager said, hey, listen, you 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.160 know what we I think the initial thing you said was, well, 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.280 you know, the numbers look good, the profile and the 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.079 city manager's office said, well, we didn't vet the finances, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.640 we didn't look over this the numbers. We didn't analyze 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.360 us and break it down to see if what you 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.960 were told is accurate. Not that you know you find 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.439 information now, you're not an accountant, you're not the person's 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.240 doing this. You demand reports, you look at them and 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.400 go this is a good investment for the city. The 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.600 city manager says, that didn't happen in this case. What's 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:08.040 the truth. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.960 So there were definitely conversations between the city and the CSO, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.000 and you know, all the numbers that they're sharing with 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.640 us in terms of the total costs, how much they 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.280 fund raise, what the gap is, that's all accurate, and 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.440 part of that is why to in the resolution, we 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.880 had some very technical language that read that this allocation 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:31.720 will be contingent upon the administration's projects underwriting, standard review process, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.120 and other conditions appropriate and necessary to guarantee the completion 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.400 of the project. We want to make sure that these 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.800 dollars from the city, they are taxpayer dollars, you know, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.560 are put to good youth. So we are going to 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.800 do all that due diligence, and yesterday's a resolution, right, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:49.079 it's basically a declaration from the City Cincinnati, led by 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.720 five of my council member colleagues, to say this is 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.360 a worthwhile investment. The next steps is this is going 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.040 to be put into the budget priority motion that a 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.079 County member Prime Meeting's office will will lead and then 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.720 that will go to the city manager. The city manager 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.880 and that has a bunch of different priority areas. Right, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.360 that's where we get to say how much money we 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:10.839 want to spend on housing, how much we want to 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.760 spend on food access, right, all those things. City manner 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.400 takes all that, puts together the budget and then that 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.680 will come back to the city Council after the mayor 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.959 sees it in come June roughly, and that's when we'll 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.840 vote on it officially. All right, those are out the door. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.760 Okay, good, that's important to say. We just didn't give 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.520 eight million dollars. Say here you go. There's got to 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.000 be metrics that are hit before that triggers the eight 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:35.880 million dollars. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.760 Correct, correct, yep, yep. And making sure we do all 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.680 that due diligence, make sure the contracting is done and 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.640 we have all those terms in that contract to ensure 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.480 that these tax dollars are protected and that we know 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:48.960 they are going to be put to good use. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:49.680 All right. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.400 So the client claim that there's no pro former here, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.960 meaning that no one has examined the numbers and kicked 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.160 it around to see how accurate they are and if 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.480 indeed the eight million dollar investment will be turned in 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.360 five six years. So the claim that the city's just 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.480 handing out eight million dollars with no proformance? Is false? 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:08.920 Correct? 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:09.640 Right, that's what I. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.520 Want to say. All that worked, all right, you're doing 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.880 all that stuff. This is just a peremptory vote. Okay, 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.920 I got it. So you know the other question I 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.920 one may have here too, is I heard this, and 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.000 I think people hear this, and as you know, Anna, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.640 we hear headlines. We don't hear that the in depth story, 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.600 and I think this is fair. Is you hear this 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.800 and go okay, Well, they're giving out eight million dollars. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.680 The roads are falling apart, crime is rising, the city's 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.920 thirty five million dollars upside down, but we're giving a 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.000 ready rich people eight million dollars. See this somehow gets 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:37.760 cut to the front of the budget line, which is 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:39.679 one of the cries effort from at least of other 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.160 council members who voted against this and said, how the 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.000 hell did this get pushed to the top and it 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.760 just kind of came out of nowhere? Is that true? 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.160 No, We've been briefed on this for the past year. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.960 We've known as coming for a long time, that this 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.960 project was coming, and you know, you mentioned briefly earlier, 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.360 but just to clarify for your listeners. So, the City 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.040 Cincinnati or any government has two budgets, yeah, operating budget 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.200 and a capital budget. The operating budget is like where 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.520 people's salaries come out of, where we fund you know, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.840 various programs. So some of the food access work that 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.440 I've done that comes out of the operating budget. The 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.440 capital budget, right, those are for things that you can see, touch, feel, right, 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.600 the building stuff. We are really grateful that when it 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.320 comes to things like paving growths, we have those Cincion 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.920 track dollars from selling the railroad and last year we 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.319 allocated twenty million dollars for road repaving. This year we'll 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.360 do twenty one millions. And you know what we found 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.400 out the city literally does not have the capacity get 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.400 those dollars out the door as fast as we are 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.760 allocating them. And that came up this week when the 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:43.520 Director of Transportation Engineering presented to council about his budget 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.200 priorities going into this year, and you heard a lot 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.440 of us really hone in on the fact that in 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.520 the resident survey, potholes was the number one concern, really 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.360 closely by sidewalks, which is another passion area for me. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.640 And you heard him say that he's trying to shrink 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.280 the process down for repaving roads from an eighteen month 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.760 process down to twelve, right, so he literally does not 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.760 have the capacity currently to pave the roads as quickly 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.920 as we are allocating money. So we are putting the 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.440 dollars there. The council has done our job, and frankly, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.400 it is on the City Manager's office at this point 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.320 to improve their operational capacity to get those dollars out 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.520 the door. And that came up in her city manager review. 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.320 Well, this is we've known this. With the railroad money, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.320 It's going to take you ten years just to catch up. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.880 That's how far that's how far behind we are in 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:34.760 repairing potholes and fix the streets. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.800 Yeah. Yes, and you know what, I'm mad that previous 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.480 you know, city councils didn't allocate the money that they 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.400 needed to along the way. Right this, the third maintenance 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.920 cost is a killer. We're paying playing catchup for decades 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.240 of neglect and it's frustrating. So, you know, I'm grateful 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.000 again to the residents and citizens of Cincinnati for voting 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.840 for that really historic sale of the railroad that gives 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.520 us the resources to we start digging our way out 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:02.160 of that hole. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.920 Well, the fact that the matter of those anahobeous is 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.880 you know this is a non binding this is non 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.880 biting vote anyway, So it's going to be voted on 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.160 as council as a hole. The Mayor and four other 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.120 members of the nine on council are not fans of 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.840 this whole thing. They voted against it. The mayor really 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.160 took you to task publicly yesterday. If you heard any 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.600 of those cuts or saw any of the coverage here is. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:23.320 That I lived it. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.560 Yeah, you lived it. He wanted. He was pretty tough 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.920 on you, and you know you couldn't answer the basic 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.960 question about what the funding gap is. Why eight million dollars, 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.360 whether the project proceeds about the city's money, is that 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.479 why you did that? Four members of council voted against. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:37.440 You on this. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.920 Hey, I want to be really clear. The total price 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.880 tag is one hundred and sixty million. They are CSO 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.200 is sitting at seventy six million in hand now right, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.120 that is the funding gap. But there are key milestones 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.280 along the way and we this eight million will help 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.960 them get to that next key milestone. They need to 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.800 keep construction going and frankly, the mayor has been briefed 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.440 on that many times, just like I have. And we 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.240 also know that the CFO, you know, is looking at 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.760 state dollars, not just the state capital but you know, 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:11.600 hopefully dollars get unlocked in that unclaimed funds application process 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.000 is caught up in the courts now, but that's another 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.000 really great opportunity, and we really want to equip the 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.320 cso to be able to go up there make the 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.480 best case that the city is on board. Like, it 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.240 is wild to me that we are having arguments about 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.040 you know, process of you know, when when this resolution 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.640 was done versus not when we are talking about a 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.440 major investment that's going to pay back, pay us back 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.680 in five years and those dollars, Just to be clear, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.480 we're making an investment out of those capital fund dollars, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.680 but the revenue we're getting back is into the operating fund, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.240 which is what can go towards that deficit you've been 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.640 alluding to the whole time, Right, So these are dollars 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.680 coming back to address that thirty million dollar deficit back 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.600 to us. Right, We are going to get that money 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.040 back in five within five years and then forever, I 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.080 mean I just don't know who looking at that says 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:00.560 that that's, you know, not a great idea. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.960 Well, there are a lot of questions. There's a lot 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.760 of question marks there right. The Symphony said, seventy six 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.000 percent of the funding secured. The Farmers gave sixty million dollars. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.200 The Farmer Family Foundation did if the project already funded 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.399 an under construction, people are going to whiz the eight 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.400 million dollars so urgent. Not only that, as I said, 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.720 other members of council said, man, this is came like 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.800 got pushed to the front of the pack with other 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.400 budget issues and concerns there. And if I'm a voter, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.040 I'm gonna put myself in the final I know we're 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.639 runing late in I appreciate your time as always. If 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.560 I'm a voter, I'm hearing this thing and going, man, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.679 this thing feels rush. You're giving eight million dollars to 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.879 me me, and there's a lot of questions weren't unanswered. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.159 I think in the mind of not maybe all voters, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.600 but a voter may think, look, the city's handing out 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.280 eight million dollars with none of the big financial questions answered. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.280 The mayor is not happy about this. At least half 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.199 almost half a council is it looks to me like 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.840 this is PG sitting Feld, this is Jeff Pastor, this 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.760 is Ta Maya denied all over again. I'm not alleging you. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.000 I don't think you're in on this, but I could 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.960 see how a void er think. Are we just saying? 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.000 Is this just on the round of kickbacks coming towards 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.240 people because we're a little jada these days as voters 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.000 about pop politics. Anny, you know what I'm. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.840 Saying, I understand being jaded. I'm not going to take 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.800 the date on that because I find the premise insulting. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.720 But again, the urgency here is to make sure the 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:25.520 construction can continue. Again, there is a real possibility that 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.040 if certain funding deadlines aren't hit, construction halts, and as 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.600 I've said before, construction halts, costs go up, and we 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.440 in any of those tax revenue dollars that we're looking 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.080 forward to getting at the city, those are delayed another year, 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.359 two years, whatever that looks like. So the urgency is 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.119 to make sure we can actually get this built and 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.720 open in time. And by the way, next spring is 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.439 right ahead, right before the summer concert series, right, you 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.360 don't want to miss that you three month gap that's 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.399 going to bring in the most revenue from an outdoor venue. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.639 So that is the urgency. The urgency is real. I 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.119 understand some of my colleagues didn't love love the process, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.840 but again, this will go through the budget process just 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.919 like everything else, and we will vote finally officially to 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.200 approve those dollars int you with the rest of the budget. 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.920 Well, again, this is not binding. It's gonna take some time. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.120 So everybody, just, you know, stop for a second. Let's 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.480 think about this. Because you know, you can fix potholes, 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.760 you can hopefully solve crime, and you can walk and 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.840 chew gun them at the same time. And I think 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.879 a new river bed in newly imagined Riverbend is a 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.639 long time overdue, as we talked about it. It's just 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.320 like the timing is tough, I think for a lot 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.119 of voters right now. And I know you appreciate that. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.840 And I'll be all the best. Thanks for jumping on 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.600 the show this morning. We'll chat again soon. Be well. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.560 Take care, take care. We got to get a news 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.280 update and she was a little offended there about the 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.440 kickback question, and I think I was fair in saying 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.160 I don't think it's you or anything, but a voter 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.119 could think that, Wait a minute, didn't we just go 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.879 through this with city council. We're getting projects stuff. I 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.359 don't care. What was it with the Brady Center, right, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:52.920 was it? Tamya Darren said, I don't care. This is 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.160 a This is a music venue for white people, I believe, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.720 is what she said. If I'm not mistaken, I'll just 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.959 I'll get the money and go on vacation. Is what 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.680 you did? Jeff Paster PG sittin'val of course and his 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.760 thing in court? Are you thinking the same thing here? 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.160 I mean that was like one of the first things 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.160 I thought of, Like, this thing's kind of come out 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.040 of the blue. Didn't we just go through this a 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.280 few years ago? And are you that jaded? Because I am. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.159 We'll talk about it next on the show. Seven hundred 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:21.159 W all right, Scott's loan here. This is seven hundred WLW. 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.320 Just trying to keep it real because you know, it's 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.680 our money first of all, and I don't care who's 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.400 in office. We got to do a better job keeping 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.719 an eye on these people. And that's what the bottom 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:33.760 line is. And I just got off the phone here 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.840 with Annah Albey, council member talking about the city in 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.280 her motion to take eight million dollars of money and 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.919 give it to me, me and essentially Riverfront, to redo 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.160 Riverfront and make it Riverfront two point zero. I think 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.200 we all agree. I love going to shows there. I 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.480 think it's a great venue done by the river, but 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.480 it's a little tired, it's a little dusty, needs to 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.919 be cleaned up, reimagined. They want to do that taking 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.920 Coney Island. I think that was a good investment. Getting 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.520 of the starlight pool good and a good idea. Let's 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:07.359 turn this into a giant riverside music venue, not just 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.160 one stage or I guess you include PNC banking there, 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.680 but make it a multi stage environment. That's great. Good, 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.680 we'll get some money back from that. I love investing 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.359 in fun things. We need more fun things to do. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:16.560 Well. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.600 All great, no doubt about it. But it doesn't mean 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.400 we can't give you a little bit of side eye, 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.560 as I did with that. I going, hey, okay, look, 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.440 even people in your own party. Hell, the mayor. Mayor 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.120 loves throwing money around. Right, City's thirty five billion dollars 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.680 upside down, Clearly, Council in the city likes spending money 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.199 on stuff. And when the mayor himself, when I have 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.639 to have pureval, comes out and goes, hey, you know what, 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.920 I got some questions. I got a few questions here 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:47.160 when people like Scottie Johnson and others come out and go, 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.840 I got some questions here for you, Just a few 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:55.200 questions about the money, you know, Namely, we just you know, 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.199 we look at this and go all right, we've got 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.600 potholes to fill, we got crime being a We've got 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.400 roads ranking number one in the survey we just did 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.399 a residence and number one of importance is thirteen of 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.320 thirteen city services, roads ranked number one. It was dead 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.160 lasting satisfaction. And I know it's taking a long time. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.399 And I pointed out where her ten years is the 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:16.240 timeline for getting the roads to where they need to be. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.280 That's how far behind we are. You can't do it overnight. 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:20.920 And I appreciate that, not once, I really really do. 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:25.920 But when there's questions about where the money's coming from, 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:29.200 and what is the oversight on the money, and why 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:30.800 did this thing get moved up to the front of 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.480 the budget list, and what the hell's going on, we 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.120 got a problem. Just handing out eight million dollars. No, granted, 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.399 there is no this is not binding, this is just 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:43.359 moving it forward. But again, see optics. Our optics are 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.280 very important part. I mentioned her and she was a 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:46.680 little offended by this, and I said, you know, I 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.480 don't think it's her. I think she's finally she's going 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.520 to do this. But if you're a voter, you've seen 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:56.480 this movie before and in the past, and I see 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.119 better than I hear, and I know history is a 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:01.080 great indicator for you or future behavior. We know that 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.560 Tamaya Denard Soldier vote. We know that Jeffrey Pastor took money. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.159 We know that PG Sittenfeld got convicted. I also know 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.560 that House Bill six, the House Bill six scandal in 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.760 the state House, and that's Republicans, not Democrats. It's the 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.160 largest public corruption case in Ohio history. Sixty million dollar 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.280 scheme by First Energy and utility companies to buy seats 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:25.520 to buy votes in the Ohio House, with Larry Householder 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.600 and others, Matt Borges and others, former chair of the 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:33.440 Ohio Republican Party, that they got four point three million 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:38.080 dollars in kickbacks bribe money from First Energy. I also 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.520 look at what happened, and I was just starting in 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.600 radio then talk radio. But I remember coin Gate with 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.320 Bob Taft first it was at the sixty seventh governor 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.480 of the Buckeye State and the state was became a 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.440 state in eighteen oh three, so that's a lot of time. 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:56.000 First time ever in Ohio governor sitting governor's charge with 0:23:56.040 --> 0:24:01.640 the crime all in office. That's remarkable, and that's again 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.560 a Republican. But I look at someone like Bob Menendez, 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.080 New Jersey. I look at Rod Blagoyevitch in Illinois. I 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.320 look at what how Kuyahoga County they had to pay 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.480 for play scandal there about ten years ago. The commissioner 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.760 up there was the biggest fishing to see a corrupt 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.639 local appointees who are lining their pockets with bribes at 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.000 the expensive taxpayers. Now, I think a dozens of elected 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.320 officials are jammed up in that. We've had scandals in 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.640 Columbus and Toledo and elsewhere. So I'm sorry, I see 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.560 better than I hear. And to ask the question, man, 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:31.879 there are a lot more questions about the money and 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.240 how much money you're gonna make off of this, And 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.320 it seems kind of rushed, even though you've spent on 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:39.280 the docket for about a year. She said, I'm kind 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.560 of jaded by politics. Are you jaded by politics? Are 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.119 you jaded by Baden switch? Are you jaded by the 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.679 fact that we have a politician saying something and then 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.439 doing something completely different? And yeah, I'm talking about Trump, 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:54.600 I'm talking about the wars, I'm talking about a bunch 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.639 of things. But I'm also talking about the Democrats at 0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.600 run Hamlin County. And if you are a person who 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.760 looks at your own personal finances, your own pocketbook, your 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.960 own future, your kid's future, your retirement, their education, whether 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:09.800 or not you can afford to put gas in your car, 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:13.919 whether or not you can afford to buy beef, I 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.000 think a legitimate question is are we just back to 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.159 where we were and have seen time and time and 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.400 time again that if there are a lot of questions 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.320 being answered, or you don't have any answers to the 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:27.080 questions being asked, I guess should we be looking at 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.119 it going, Okay, are we doing this whole are we 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.080 doing this whole kickback scheme again? And you know, I 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:34.960 don't think Anna is part of that. She doesn't strike 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.520 me as that type of person. But you know, we've 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.600 seen this elsewhere and it's not a reflection I think 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:45.280 on her or a certain member of council. I think 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.960 it is a reflection poorly of our political process that 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.760 we almost expect these people because we've had a long 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:52.440 history in this country of it to being on the take. 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.280 And you know, when you don't have the questions answered, 0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:58.240 the basic questions answered that we're asked yesterday, it makes 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.720 one think what the hell's going on here? So maybe 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.720 preparation of these things is key. And I think there's 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.639 a fair question. I'm sorry to offender, but I think 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.480 it's and if you're listening, it wasn't meant for you necessarily. 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.080 But we're all jaded as voters right now. The process sucks. 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.640 We've got a government shutdown we quit paying attention about. 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.720 You've got people in Tsa not getting paid for a 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:22.800 day's work. That's a huge problem. We've got gas prices up, 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.920 that's a huge problem. We've got a war in Iran 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.600 with no edges, your edgy, no support. That's a big problem. 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.760 Locally here in Cincinnati, we've got a thirty five million 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:36.000 dollar budget because of irresponsible spending. That's a problem. I 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:38.040 think we just wanted to be functional in work, and 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:41.240 right now it's failing us. It's failing us because this 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.000 is what we asked for, this is what we voted for, 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.000 and we just continue to make the same mistakes over 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.960 But the idea that somehow that this nation of ours 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.720 was founded by men who literally put the countries into 0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.600 serson not their own, but that has become a parody 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.439 because it's flipped the other way, and it's not reason. 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.720 It's been going on for a long time, and I 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.480 certainly don't want to say the sky has following the 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:02.720 economy's falling apart. If you step back and look at it, 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:06.240 quite honestly, depending on who's president, a Democrat or Republican, 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:09.840 whether it's Biden or Trump, whether it's JD. Vance or 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:14.560 Kamala Harris, the thing is this, the needle really hasn't 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.679 moved all that much. We've traded one plus for a 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:22.359 negative essentially. You know, gas prices are a but you know, 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.159 you look at other other indicators in the market that 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.040 have offset that, and largely the needle hasn't moved all 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.360 that much. I think a great example at his doge, Hey, Dug, 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.080 we're gonna blow this whole thing up with a gut 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.879 gut got and get what happened? Nothing, nothing changed, to 0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:39.919 show you just how embedded this is, to show you 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.040 how how little it really, how little the needle moves, 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.639 regardless of who is the president of the United States. 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.240 And pairing that back, of course, the local politics here, 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:50.840 same kind of thing. I mean, you know it may change, 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.280 and that people may change, but don't the patterns remain 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:54.720 the same, and we got to keep an eye on that. 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.080 I think it's a fair thing for us as taxpayers 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:58.639 to look at this. And I don't live in Cincinnati, 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.359 and you might, and maybe we don't live in Cincinnati, 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:05.440 probably probably don't. But this also applies to our our 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.840 counties and are the towns in which we live. Is 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:10.800 to keep an eye we just don't trust, and I 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.159 think we shouldn't trust just because they have an R 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:15.520 or a D next to their name, the person doing 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.600 the job for us. It's like we have lost sight 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.680 of the fact that we have to be extremely critical 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.160 otherwise things get out of whack. We have to keep 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:25.960 a chain of going. Hey, I may have supported and 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.040 voted for you to support you, but I keep my 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.879 eye on you. I'm keeping my eye on you. We 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:32.720 have lost our ability to do that because of this 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.479 whole loyalty pledge, the silly loyalty pledge that we have 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.960 to take regardless of who's in power, and we got 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.760 to go completely. I mean, there's it's not a scandal really, 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.760 It's all a bunch of infighting up in Warren County where 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.200 I am with the commissioners up there, because someone is 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.880 being critical of someone else and you got to go 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:50.280 along with it. We're going to throw you out. It's 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:53.560 just it's nonsensical be accountable to the people who put 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.640 you there. And I have a sense that whether it's 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.640 Democrats or Republicans in this case, Democrats were not getting 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.360 that and that should cause us all to be concerned 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.960 because every November they come around asking for votes and oh, 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:07.480 it's going to be different. Now this is we got 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:08.800 to we're gonna chie I'm coming in and we're going 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.200 to change things. But nothing really seems like it changes. 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.000 And it's I know, it's an incredibly jaded look at 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.960 things going. All right, somebody getting money a kickback here 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.360 from from River Ben. 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:20.040 It does. 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.560 I'm not indicting River Bend. I'm not indicting Anna Albe 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.240 anyone who voted for this the contrary, It's just showing 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.720 us that we These are the questions I think normal 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:31.600 people have going. I've seen this before. Is it happening again? 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.200 And will history repeat itself? It seems like it always 0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.280 does in America. It always does five one, three, seven, 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.560 four nine, the big one. It's talked back on your 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.880 eye at Radio app I personally, you know, in a 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:47.600 perfect world, I think taking eight million dollars of city 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.320 money even though they can't afford, like, if you can 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.200 guarantee I don't know if there's no guarantees in life, 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.360 but if you can come up with analysis it shows 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.120 you're gonna get that money back in five years in 0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:00.920 perpetuity for a place that's already existed, I think that's 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.560 a good investment. I know that a lot of industry theater, 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.040 for example, as we know, is dying movie theaters from 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.880 big big trouble. Big trouble bars are in big trouble 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.960 right now because fewer people are drinking. But I will 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.760 say the one area that there's tremendous growth and has 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.600 been live music. We love live music. Why well, through 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.240 the rings I mentioned, we can escape for a few hours. 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.719 We can escape for all weekend if it's a you know, 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:27.640 a festival or something like that, and go and just 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:29.960 listen to live music. It's wonderful. It's good for the 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:33.680 souldier outside. Where Ever, Ben is an amazing place, amazing 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:35.320 place to do that I would love to see. I 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:39.520 will desperately want to see Riverbend get blown up and redone, 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.320 and they want to do that. We should make that 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.120 happen because it has been neglected for too long. You 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.440 can hopefully bring bigger acts. And now it did point 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.800 out about how the how the structure works in Cincinnati, 0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.760 and she wasn't aware of that. But you know that's 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.640 something that a new I guess a new venue may 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.920 not help when it comes attracting those acts. But nonetheless 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.400 I'm all for it. I push behind that going. I listen. 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.760 If we can do this for eight million dollars in 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.240 help gets across the finish line, I think that's money 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.520 well spent considering how much money is going to come 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.600 in and the sheer enjoyment of live music. It's another 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.160 place to go and hang out. We need more of 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:18.040 that stuff. We don't need less, we need more, but 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:21.880 I also am cautioned to look at this and go care. 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.360 Are we just taking money and going, hey, here you go, 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.320 here's some money. Don't don't worry about it. I think 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:30.160 that's a legitimate question that has been answered by four 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:33.800 of the nine members of city council, and Jeff Kramerting 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:35.600 will be on the show tomorrow to discuss that. At 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.160 some point here on seven hundred WWT, let me go 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.080 to Tony in Fairfield on Scott's Slanchow ton It's up. 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.000 Yes, I just thought him. 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:49.360 Another big expense that your councilwoman forgot about was that 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.520 the millions and millions are gonna have to pay the 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:55.320 chief police after her inlaws. 0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.920 There's no time about that. We got to pay that. 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:00.680 Maybe eight million dollars is right there. 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.800 Well, you don't know the half of it. Even the 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:08.320 corner in Hamilton County is creative enough to figure out 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:15.240 a way to make the corner's job corrupt. Myself and 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:24.800 my family have gotten twelve thousand dollars in money from 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.880 lawsuit class action suits against the corner. 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:32.480 How many times twelve million? And you've done that numerous 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:33.680 How many times have you died to. 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.320 No, not twelve million? 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.160 Twelve thousand, twelve thousand? 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.680 How many times have you died? How many? How my 0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:41.440 wife died? 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.320 My wife died, and the Corner stole her brain in 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:50.520 her heart and put in a jar. And see the 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.840 taxpayers of Hamilton County had no idea of the corruption. 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.960 Well, what's corrupt about you? If they do it? What 0:32:58.320 --> 0:32:58.960 did Tony? 0:32:58.960 --> 0:32:59.320 Can? I ask? 0:32:59.400 --> 0:32:59.920 What did she doe? 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:00.280 No? 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.640 No, no, no no. I got a call from the 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:08.320 Special Master's assistant saying, did you give permission for the 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:12.120 corner to take to your wife's heart and brain and 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.080 put in it and preserve it? I says, well, no, 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.720 they never asked. I probably would have allowed it if 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.920 it would help save somebody else's wife, right, But he said. 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:23.480 Oh, is that correct? 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.080 These are hundreds of people they found, are organs in jars? 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.040 Now why they would do that? 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:30.360 I have no idea. 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.640 I think, I guess that's kind of what happens with 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.960 the corner. I mean, I don't know the interview. I'm 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.479 sorry for your loss, but I know the intricacies there. 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.040 I think that's pretty much the job of the corner, 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.320 right is she generally goes in and finds closet death. 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.640 You may preserve, so that sort of evidence. I don't 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:45.400 know the inter case in details of the case, but 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:47.760 that sounds like maybe a topic for a future show. 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:49.720 I mean, I guess at the end of the day, 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.040 eight million dollars a lot better than somebody's you know, 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.320 the old hearts and lungs in a jar, so I 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.400 guess it could be worse. Thanks to the perspective. Tony 0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.560 coming up after the break, after news, full weather, forecast, traffic, 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.040 and the latest from around the world. And here locally, 0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.240 we'll get with Steve good and of course local attorney 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.840 Steve Gooden. He always follows these weird cases for me. 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.000 I put him on the job on this one, I said, 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.000 I signed him this task follow the Afroman case for me. 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.960 I had Anna Castellini, I think was her name. She 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.840 was the attorney for Afroman. And then I don't know 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:21.480 if there's a falling out or he'd moved to a 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.360 different attorney. I'm not sure what happened. And then that 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.160 attorney she would come on the show. The new guy's like, well, 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.640 I might come on after. I also try to get 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.640 Afroman out of some point and hear his story because 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.319 it's an awesome case and the most entertaining court case 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:34.880 I've seen in a long time. And God knows we 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.640 entertainment because this other stuff is way too serious. Steve 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.799 Gooden is here. Afroman gets his day in court and 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:42.880 he wins. He beat the hell out of seven cops 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.799 with a pound cake and he got away with it. 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.040 Next seven hundred wty Cincinnati. 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:49.840 You want to be a Manican? 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:51.040 Do it? 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:54.360 Floating here? Seven hundred WLW Are you cutting through it today? 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:58.560 My favorite, my favorite court case a long time coming 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.359 down the pike here, it's over them are the said 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.360 because a rapper just beat the hell out of seven 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.359 cops and he got away with it because he used 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:13.279 a lemon pound cake. The afro Man verdict is in. 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.000 It is in, and he's a winter chicken dinner. 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:26.680 Mine eyes seen the corruption of the Adam County cops. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.320 Still in Money's still in cake. When they make they. 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.480 Traffic stops, first they screw. 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:33.600 You, then they sue you. 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:38.440 Play a game, man, dismiss your claims, the proofs, sondy Inner. 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:41.160 You can't get the song out of your head. 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:47.520 Ahfro Man, We'll bring it to ya. Ahfro Man is 0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:53.920 gone a dude, Ye nahfro man, he's gonna screw ya, 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:55.879 my proofs son. 0:35:56.000 --> 0:36:00.600 The inner he is also enthralled with the case, and 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.520 that would be the esteem councilor Steve Gooden, who has 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:07.680 had his number of defamation cases he's defended successfully or otherwise. 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.600 Steve welcome, it's good to be his ty. Good work. 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.040 This is going to be one of the better cases 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.120 to follow because it had all the live action. As 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.319 the segment would say in it, you had everything here 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.480 and it just made the Adams County Sheriff's Department look 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:26.680 so damn incompetent. Normally, almost not always, but almost always 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.120 side with the on the side of police officers. I 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:30.960 watched this thing and said, there's no way in hell 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.399 that this defamation suit can win. You have so many 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.960 elements here, let's lay that out this morning here Steve Goodman, 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.640 the jury side with Affreman rather quickly too. I think 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.520 the verdict came out pretty quickly. What, in your opinion, 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.720 the strongest legal argument that won this case. 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.359 Was what well, I mean that it shouldn't have been 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.440 brought in the first place. And frankly, you know, they 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.800 had a visiting judge and until folks who like me 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.120 watched a lot of this. If the judge looks familiar, 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.880 he's a retired judge who has actually made a lot 0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.360 of headlines, you know, as the visiting judge and the 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.120 Wagner murder cases out in Pike County, so he kind 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.879 of travels that circuit. And the judge there obviously had 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.280 a conflict in Adams County because he'd presumably it signed 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.960 the search warrant which turned out to be a fruitless 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:18.799 search warrant based on bad information. We're guessing because they 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.279 searched the guy's house and found nothing. But really, I mean, 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.560 the judge should have thrown the case out at the 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.360 summary judgment stage. In my view, they just these police 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:30.520 officers are quasi public figures, what they call limited these 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:34.280 public figures. They did go into his house on public business. 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:38.400 Afroman is allowed to comment on it, and I will say, 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.200 you know, the only arguments that the police officers really 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.920 had is you played one of the songs. That's pretty mild. 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:47.960 Some of the songs are pretty raunchy. Afroman did insinuate 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.000 in a couple places or flat out state clearly ingest, 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:52.879 but stated that he had sex with some of their 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.600 wives and things of that nature. He was really there's 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.680 a lot of locker room talk where he's trying to 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.640 get under their skin and really trying to even because 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:02.920 they really knocked his door down. They came in with 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:06.040 a battering ram, They went through his house, they took money. 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.279 There was four hundred dollars in cash missing that was 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.359 never accounted for. He alleges, and they ended up being 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.440 a whole separate investigation. But the Claremont County Sheriff's Department 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.919 into the missing four hundred dollars and it was inconclusive. Really, 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.600 I don't think they didn't feel if the officer stole 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:22.240 it that they thought they might have had a miscount 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.920 or something. But the whole thing so murky. It's the 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:26.880 thing you would never want to have in front of 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.440 a jury. And you're right, the court, you know, the 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.840 closing statements wrapped up around three or four o'clock and 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:33.960 apparently what I was told was the jury, you know, 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:35.680 was about to go home to the day and they 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:37.759 signaled to the judge, now, no, no, I think we'll 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.640 just stay here and knock this out, you know, And 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.040 by eight o'clock or so they had it all resolved 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:44.000 in his favor. 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:45.680 Yeah, and it was. It was It didn't look good 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.480 from the beginning because as you mentioned, you know, they 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.480 counted five down. They go in by the way, this 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.920 in August of twenty twenty two deputies in Adams County. 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.879 They break his gate down, they kick in his door. 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:57.680 They have a tactical assault team. It looks like because 0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.960 they got their tactical gear on and a number of 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.160 officers they kick his door in. There they had I 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.880 guess testimony or they had someone tell them a confidential 0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:07.959 informant say yeah, he's got drugs and he's got people 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.160 keep kidnapped in his house. All they came across was 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.479 a vappen a part of a joint, so a roach 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.759 and five thousand dollars cash. And then they counted the 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.320 five thousand and then it was four hundred was missing. 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.680 But it turns out that after an internal investigation out 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.360 they miscounted they couldn't count the five thousand. 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:24.920 Uh. 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.080 And he turned the home surveillance footage that he had 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.719 from inside his own kitchen and elsewhere into songs online 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.120 like Lemon pound Cake, which is hysterical because one of 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.480 the thicker deputies has his look at a poum cake 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.600 like it's a suspect that he's about to take down, 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.200 and it's one of the funniest clips you'll ever see 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:43.880 in this music video. And they made a whole song 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:45.799 called Lemon pound Cake because his mom made him a 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.880 lemon pound cake under glass and this deputy he wanted 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.839 to attack this thing like a canine on a suspect. 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.920 Over three million views on YouTube, and the claim by 0:39:56.000 --> 0:40:00.680 the deputies was unauthorized exus a likeness, defamation of rives, 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.600 the intentional infliction of emotional distress. They're looking for almost 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.080 four million dollars. One of the female deputy's broke into 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:10.960 tears during a suggestive music video target targeting her, so 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.600 she was upset about this whole thing. But it goes 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.720 to show you if you're working in the public interest 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:20.200 and you bought something this badly, the jury's going to 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.000 side with you. Plus he's a very very likable individual 0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:24.880 with the music and everything else. Who showed up the 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.360 court where in his American flag suit, which I found 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.440 really really funny. The glasses and everything else extremely articulated 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:33.919 to his defense, and I don't know how Jerry would 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:34.640 have ruled otherwise. 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.520 Yeah, Look, he did a very good job of pretending 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:40.840 you're both to this court, in the court of public opinion. 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.960 He has a younger lawyer from Adams County named dj 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.759 Osborne that he hired, who was a former prosecutor who 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:49.600 really knows the lay of the land out there, and 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.799 that was a brilliant choice. A lot of folks that think, 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.040 you know, in Afroman's position, would make the mistake of 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.440 bringing in a lawyer from a big city who really 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.719 knows the law of defamation quote unquote, but nobio. Defamation 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:03.960 is very simple. You have to prove that there was 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:06.440 either you were either portrayed in the false light, that 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.319 there was an out and out lie told about you 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.399 the gravity of you know. You also have to show 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.399 that you suffered some damages from it. I mean, it's 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:18.640 a relatively simple thing. And here his whole defense was 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.840 basically twofold. Afroman's defense was these were public figures, so 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:26.320 I'm allowed to comment, and my comments can be outrageous, 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.160 and I can say things that are even false in 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:33.680 my comments, because it's pretty clear I'm joking. I don't 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.120 think anybody in the room really believed that Afroman had 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.080 sex with the deputy's wife, you know, and that was 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.080 actually one of the worst moments of the trial for 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:45.960 the plaintiffs, because that deputy was cross examined by Afroman's 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.480 lawyer and said, well, well, that's not true, is it. 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.359 And he stumbled and said, well, I don't know if 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.520 it's true or not. And that's the clip that's being 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:54.200 paid over and over in the video. I'm like, well, 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:54.920 I think you'd know. 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:56.719 I mean, I think he knew. 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.480 He was in trouble, so he tried to waffle and 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.120 then he throws his wife under the bus. Is probably unintentional, 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.000 and it just became a comedy of aeras. Yeah, I 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:05.560 don't know if she did or not. I mean that's 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.360 a direct almost a direct quote. So it was, you know, 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.400 the case really I think was kind of over, you 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:15.120 know at that point, if it wasn't already, and it 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.040 just did become sort of a you know, sort of 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:18.000 a far said look. 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:18.600 I get it. 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.279 I mean, I'm not unsympathetic to these police officers. I 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.279 know last year when I ran for city council, I 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.520 had he's like burner Twitter accounts calling me a white supremacist, 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.480 a fascist. There was some guy following me around and 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.080 sew me have a glass of white at dinner and 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.720 suggested I had a drinking problem, was taking my pictures 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:36.960 at dinner. But I was in the public eye, and 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.560 you just have to Unfortunately, in this day and age, 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.000 you have to put up with it and the idea 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:47.399 that opinion covers a huge swath about things. When when 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.080 when you're talking about public figures, I mean, you can 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:53.880 say Congress is corrupt, okay, that all four hundred and 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:55.960 thirty five members of Congress can't turn around and sue 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.480 you and say, prove it's corrupt. That's your opinion that 0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.160 it's corrupt. You say, all cop their dirty. I don't 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.760 believe that, because they all CONTs their dirty and you're allowed, 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:05.920 you're entitled to that opinion. You can put it on 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.560 the internet, and in this case after me, I actually 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.560 had a following and more people saw it than you know, 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.400 I put something on the internet, maybe three thousand on Facebook, 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.160 maybe three or four thousand people see it, and he puts 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.680 it out A million people see it. But that really 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:18.360 doesn't matter. 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.279 Here he was he was selling merchandise though featuring the 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.680 deputy's images. Does does that constant commercially use? Did that 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:29.000 complicate the pure satire defense and how did the jury. 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.920 Sy, Well, the jury didn't care, and I think rightfully so. 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:36.080 But my guess is that that was the judges thinking 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.920 in letting at least some of the claims go forward 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:43.320 past summery judgment. I mean, typically what happens in defamation cases. 0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:45.680 I mean, look, they're filed all the time in Ohio, 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.520 but they don't go to trial all that much because 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:52.040 typically you have depositions, you have paper discovery and so forth, 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:56.040 and a pretty robust summary judgment phase where a judge 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:57.880 can look to see like, well, you know, this was 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:02.640 either clearly true, clearly untrue, or just statire and opinion, 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:04.320 and a lot of them get thrown out there. So 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.600 that is the one thing that afro Man did, putting 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.600 their their their the stills from his I think it's 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:14.320 kind of ring to home security camera. Putting the putting 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.560 them on there and actually selling the merchandise on his 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.680 on his web page is something that probably did technically 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.719 survive the some rejudgment phase. It doesn't mean the rest 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.840 of the case should have. And but I think the judge, 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.080 you know, let that go forward, and that was probably 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.920 the one, the one little thing that they had legally 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.720 that probably was questionable and could go to a jury, 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.319 But still I don't there's no real litigation. He made 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.759 real dollars out of it. And I think, just from 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.160 my standpoint, if you know, there again, these guys are 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.680 limited to these public figures who put themselves in this position. Uh, 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:46.600 And I think, and it is kind of shocking. I mean, look, 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:48.799 we don't know what information they did or didn't have, 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.799 and they apparently thought it was credible. Apparently it was not. 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:54.080 But you know, the scenes to them going in there 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.280 were fully automatic weapons and battering grants and so forth. 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.600 You know, it's not a good look. And the guy 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.960 is at the pancake. The pancake does look good looking. 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:05.759 It makes a look better when it's under glass like 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:07.560 this was. I was like out of a Martha Stewart 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.879 show or something like that, and I would have looked 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:11.719 at it too. This guy was making sweet love to 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.880 that poundcake with his eyeballs. That was the funniest moment 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:19.320 probably that Lemon Palm cake video. But he sold merchandise 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:21.640 with their image on that after that, And I don't 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.520 think I don't have that complicates the puerce after a 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.560 defense simply because he said he was using all the 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.160 proceeds for his legal defense fund. That's going to go 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:30.839 pretty well with the jury, whether he does. 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.440 Or not, right, I mean, at the end of the day, 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:36.239 it didn't matter. I mean, the jury saw the whole 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:40.120 thing was a joke. You know that. You know, he wasn't. 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:43.239 Seriously insinuating he's you know, having sex with anyone, or 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.480 that anybody is really you know, horrifically you know, crooked 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.960 or corrupt and to the extent they are, that's his opinion. 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.120 And I think any and he and he really did 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.279 a good job. I watched most of his testimony live. 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.200 You know, affirm had did a really really good job 0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.279 of tacking everything back to the original incident. And he said, look, 0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.120 if these guys hadn't come into my house on that information. 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.320 With guns drawn, knocked my door down, knocked. 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.520 My gate down, stared at my pound cake, and then 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.960 and then something maybe maybe or maybe not took some 0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:17.000 of my money, I wouldn't be here. I'd have no 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.000 problem with them at all. And you know he wasn't 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.799 even there, you know, when it occurred. Uh, So, you know, 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.520 it's a I think a lot of people can can 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.799 react to that as as government overreach. Uh, and the 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:30.480 kind of thing that you do want to comment on, 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.160 and and and again it's very interesting. I get to 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.560 remember this is a scenario where the public officials bought 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.439 the case. The police officers were the ones who were 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.399 the plaineiffs. Sometimes I get lost in the telling it out, 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.279 and that was just a yeah, that's it's also. 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.480 The fact that it wouldn't be this bad had you 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.040 not decided to sue him for almost four million dollars 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:52.680 or this thing, because now you have to go on 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:54.840 the stand and it's it makes it worse, not better 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.120 for you, And you think I think that maybe they 0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.719 got some bad legal advice there, because the bar for 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.759 alice and for defamation is just so damn high when 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.720 it's a public figure that is acting on a warrant 0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.800 that turns out there was no crime being committed whatsoever. 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.520 I think that's an important facet here, Steve Goodin, as 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.719 we talk about the now international Afroman verdict and the 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:16.960 rest of the countries out of this, it's a great story. 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.560 No charge ever fought from the raid. So how much 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.120 did that in fact influence the legal landscape for both sides, 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:24.799 particular Afroman and that gave him more license to do 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:26.160 what got him sued. 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.319 Well, there were two I think key legal decisions these 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:33.000 folks made. I mean one was that were one great. 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.560 One bad one is you know, the officers probably should 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:37.600 have never brought the claims. I understand they were upset. 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.320 I know they were subject to harassment. I think the 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.600 one officer said that he received over four hundred pound 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.760 cakes in the mail from around the country in response 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:51.640 because and I was no kidding, take him to some 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.480 charities or whatever, but he was very offended by all 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.680 these poundcakes coming in. The second thing that I think 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.680 Afroman did his legal team did that was very very smart, 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:03.480 was they could have filed some sort of a counterclaim 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.399 here based upon the raid itself. They could have had 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.799 their own piece of litigation. And they were really I 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.680 think smart not to bring that because I think it 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:13.719 would have muddied the waters and it would have really 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:17.160 forced the jury to try to adjudicate some of the 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.799 precise details about what happened that they didn't have to. 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.279 So the typical case, you know, the typical advice is 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.160 bring a counter claim pound these people, et cetera. And 0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:28.600 I think he would have looked very a bit less 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:32.080 sympathetic if he had to defend his lifestyle, because I guess, 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:34.200 you know, in fairness, I mean after me as a 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:36.880 guy who who has made a career out of singing 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.480 about marijuana use, and his songs are wanti and perhaps 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.520 his lifestyle might not have, you know, stood up to 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.319 the kind of scrutiny that would have come if he 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:47.400 had been a plaineff. And you know, just you know, 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:49.960 to the officers. I tell people this all the time, 0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:52.000 and it's corny, but it's true. There's that old line 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.719 from Charles dickens Or he said, I've been ruined by 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:57.440 a lawsuit twice, once as a defendant and once as 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.080 a planeff. Sometimes being a planeff you can put your 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.440 self out and expose yourself in a way. Sure they 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:04.520 could end up in some real embarrassment. I think that's 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:05.600 unfortunately what happened. 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.840 And I think something lost. Maybe a nuance here, Steve 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.520 is they got bad intel they got I think it 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.439 was this confidential informat or informant or something. I said, hey, yeah, 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:17.040 he's got people held hostage, he's got weed, he's got money. 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:18.680 And they go and they don't find any of that 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:22.160 stuff whatsoever. Five thousand dollars. K Hell, you could have 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.120 a lot more than end in your house. It's your house, 0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:25.600 and it's it's legal tender. 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:26.160 I don't know. 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:28.440 That's more of the uh, you know, the whole civil 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:32.200 f asset forfeiture problem that I have. But nonetheless I 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.560 look at the context of it and go they didn't 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:38.719 find what they're looking for is is that the fault 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.359 of the officers made the entry because they're they're they're 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.399 not the ones who maybe they had the CEI I guess, 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:46.880 but it's up to the prosecutor's officer termine whether or 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:50.040 not there exists grounds for entry like that. Were the 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:53.040 cops and so in some ways put in a situation 0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:53.640 they couldn't win. 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:56.560 No, they absolutely were. 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.480 And I see, I'm I'm not unsympathetic to some of 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.799 these officers, some of them I dealt with. I've had 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.480 many cases in Adams County over the years, and I 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:06.480 can tell you you know, they were in a bad 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:10.120 situation here. I don't know how credible the confidential informant was, 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.400 but there had to be some level of credibility, and 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.120 they had a search warrant, so both the prosecutor had 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.520 to prepare that warrant and a judge had to sign 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.400 off on it, so there were multiple levels of review, 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.880 so there had to be some uh you know, I 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.320 think the legal terms indische of reliability. There had to 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:30.040 be some indicators that this was credible. So the officers 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:33.240 were initially put in a bad position. I guess miley 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:36.279 pushback is that sometimes, you know, police work is like 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:40.880 any other profession. Sometimes things don't go as plan. Sometimes 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:44.160 you do get bad information, sometimes things aren't right. But 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.640 you are what we call it limited use public figure. 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:49.040 When you're out there saying things and doing things, you 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:52.279 are going to be subject to mockery. It's particularly now, 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.600 and I know it's hard in the day and age 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.480 where it's on the Internet and all kinds of people 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.759 can see it on social media. But unfortunately that just 0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:03.600 comes with the job. Now, if you're in public office, 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.080 people are going to say really really nasty stuff about you. 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.160 And what I always tell people, or whether it be 0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:11.160 police officers I've represented in the past or public officials 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.960 are represented now, maybe you should just stay off your 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:17.239 phone for a while when something goes badly, to let 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:17.879 it play out. 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.319 It will move on, as usually is the case. But 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:22.400 I do feel in that regard because the deputy is 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:23.800 the ones kind of caught in the middle. Here was 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:27.520 a prosecutor, the investigators and other forces. They just executed 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:29.719 the warrant. They're not the ones who went out and 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.320 sought the evidence. I don't think anyway. It's a small department, 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:35.120 but there is that caveat there as well. But again, 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:36.600 you know, when you got a guy making love to 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:38.480 a palm cake with his eyeballs and some of the 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:42.080 other things, miscounting the money that's most certainly on them, 0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:44.640 and you just, I guess, you know, sometimes you pee 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:46.480 on the wrong fence. I guess is the old adagere 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:50.160 Steve Gooden handled many a de defamation case as well, 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.680 some good some bad Steve local attorney of course, thanks 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:54.799 for coming on the show this morning. 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:57.440 Straighten it out, hey anytime. 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.319 Well there you go. 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Sanja SHABERCREMANI are resident er doctor Fitness Eyes 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.520 on the show next on seven hundred. WW boy, if 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.399 this is not a bad food weekend, I don't want 0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:08.320 it is. It's gonna be wings, it's gonna be ribs, 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:11.000 it's gonna be burgers, it's gonna be Nacho's questionable cheese 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.680 with a Z. You name it, you're gonna be eat it. 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:16.080 And I'd even start with the drink. By the way, 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:19.360 of course, it's March Madness. Every Thursday morning, we have 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:22.360 doctor Sanjay Shafer Kamani and he's an er doc. He 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.439 is a food and fitness expert as well at Dine 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.279 Well Dock and joins the show when he's not at 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:31.080 Revived Fitness in Oakley. And I want to jump in 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:34.879 this morning with the revised dietary guidelines real quick here, 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:37.600 because a food pair actually kind of feels like it's 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.600 leaning more in the fats on Jay, is that RFK 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.480 Junior said, Hey, let's do whole fat milk back in 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:47.479 schools and also let's pump protein a little bit more. 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:52.759 I just wonder, like with all diet in health advisories 0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:54.719 and the food pyramids change in my lifetime, I can't 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.320 count how many times same for you. I just wonder 0:53:57.960 --> 0:53:59.799 if you're just not trading one bad footing for another, 0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:02.160 like back in the day when you would when the 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.960 fat free craze came in. It was great, you got 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:06.960 her all the fat, but you just you just put 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:09.240 more salt and especially sugar in these products. 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:12.319 That's the problem exactly, And that's that's what a lot 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.560 of the research has looked at sloan is. You know, 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:18.680 it's not just eliminating one thing, it's what you do 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.120 to replace it. And so a lot of the effects 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:25.040 that we're seeing are negative by by reducing fat. I mean, 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.640 certainly there's a lot of benefit to it, but it 0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:29.719 all depends on what you're substituting with. 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:33.399 Right, there's been what is the benefit of the fat? 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:35.440 I think for one? For me anyway, it seems like 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:36.560 it's say it's satisfied. 0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:39.239 That's a huge say it. I mean, you know, there 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:41.799 there are a ton if we're just going to talk 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:45.360 about eating. Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're drinking 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:47.360 skim milk, it's I don't enjoy it. 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.600 Do you do? You like skim You know, I'm a 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.640 two percent guy. Same And the thing about skim milk 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:56.400 is it's like water, and after I drink it, like 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:59.440 I still need something substantial, so I probably eat some 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:02.799 snacks after it too. The nice thing about you know, 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.480 the higher percentage fat milks is that you don't have 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.920 to eat something afterwards. You may be more satiated, you 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.120 may be more full, and so you're not kind of 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:14.640 taking more calories in after that. That's one big thing, right, right, 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.000 And there's a sense to that too. It's somehow the 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:18.839 whole milk itld just tastes. But I remember one time 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:22.840 were I was backpacking, right and we got done, like 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.200 the only thing they had was whole milk in the cafeteria, 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:27.040 and I crushed like five It was like the best 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:27.919 tasting milk ever. 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:29.200 Yeah. 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.160 Right, It's just like something about whole milk. But you 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.879 don't need a lot of it. It's it's so rich 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.959 and satisfies you your taste. Budge, there's a trigger inside 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:38.719 he says, Okay, you're good on the fat and the milk. 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:40.319 That's all you need. Need a little bit. You don't 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:41.880 need a half gallon, No, you don't. 0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:44.719 And and the thing is, to your point, it tastes good. 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:48.399 And milk consumption's actually gone down markedly in the last 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:50.839 fifty years, so like since the seventies, it's gone down 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.960 like fifty percent as far as people drinking. It's probably 0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:56.439 because we've switched to lower fat and you know, health 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.480 concerns for sure, but there is definitely a decrease in 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:01.719 milk and some since the warning started coming out. 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:03.399 Yeah, and sign you On top of that, I think 0:56:03.440 --> 0:56:06.440 back to eggs, right, Tony, Oh, cholesterol, and now we're like, 0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:07.400 well eat eggs. 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:11.520 Well yeah, and that's the it's cholesterol, especially for you, right, 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:13.640 it is good for you. You need some. I mean, 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:16.960 everything's good in moderation. But it's just like everything else, 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:18.600 we keep learning more and more. And I'll tell you 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.040 when I was going through med school, it was saturated 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:23.920 fats are the devil, you know, and and it's just 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:26.360 a black and white that's given to you. And there 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.200 are a ton of shades of gray in this and 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.000 as we learn more, we're introducing more shades of gray. 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:34.200 But we're also getting more clarification about why some people 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.760 have good effects with things and other people don't. 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.600 Oh well, that's that you don't know till you get 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:43.040 a diagnosis, right, if your body tolerates it exactly. 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:45.160 And so you know, as much research as we do, 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.120 everybody's an individual body is also going to react differently. 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:51.560 But we are seeing larger population things that that are 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:55.400 speaking to saturated fats and what effects are good and 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:57.560 what effects are bad and who it's good for. And 0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:59.200 that's where this milk change came from. 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:03.440 Yeah, Okay, so I think the research said that dairy 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.760 fat may be at worst neutral, Is that an accurate 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:07.600 assessment in your opinion? 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:07.879 Yeah? 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:10.840 At worst neutral is confusing a bunch of words. But 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:13.720 so the worst thing is the worst thing it happened 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:16.120 for is nothing? Is that what they're saying essentially? 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:18.200 I mean, that's what we're seeing right now, and I'll 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:20.960 always qualify things with that. As far as findings in 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.000 the literature, things are always bound to change, just like 0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.080 our two glasses of wine good or one glass of 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:27.400 wine good. It's the same thing with this, but it's 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.680 it's evolving. And so what we're learning is that dairy 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.440 saturated fats, so the saturated fats that are included in 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:39.680 things like yogurt, in milk and cheese, those are kind 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:42.360 of they behave differently in our bodies, both with the 0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:45.120 absorption and what they do in our bodies, and so 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:48.200 they have a different effect in our bodies than the 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.040 saturated fats that we take in from meats and other 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:53.400 things that have been demonized for so long. 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:58.080 All right, so I'm still confused by the Sanjay, Can 0:57:58.120 --> 0:57:59.800 I still have a whole stick of butter for lunch? 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:02.320 You can have two sloan but no one else, no 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:04.400 one else listening can But I don't see. 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.320 Sure the whole butter tastes great and bread whatever it 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.360 is like it just you know, margarine, and we've got 0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.280 this this avocado oil butter and stuff like. Just have 0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:13.120 a little bit of butter. 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.360 Yeah, So we'll be we'll be looking at the pyramid 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.880 in a little bit, or at least the new guidelines 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.120 right the butter. There's a picture of butter right in 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:24.680 that triangle, and so you know, butter is fine to 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:27.760 a certain amount, and again everything's good in moderation. It 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:31.800 is not you know, butter is classified as dairy, but 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:33.680 it's not the dairy we're talking about here with the 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:38.640 really healthy saturated fats that will that could potentially improve 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:42.080 your health. So again, it's the yogurt, it's the cheese, 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:46.880 it's the milk. Those saturated fats in there maybe beneficial 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:48.919 to health. And that's what we're seeing in a bunch 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:50.280 of studies in the last decade. 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.560 Wow, that it's actually good for you so or versus 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:54.560 twenty something years of science that we thought, oh, it's 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.720 all bad for you. It's kind of like the meat debate, 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:58.560 you know, and the environment and all. We'll get to 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.520 that in a second. But when they rolled out impossible 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:03.400 burgers and you try that, you go, oh, that actually 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:05.520 tastes because in the past is like, yeah, that tofurky 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:09.320 stuff like uh nasty, Like why why if if you 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:11.880 like tofu, eat the tofu? But why do you try 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:14.120 to trick you into thinking it's something that it's not. 0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:18.800 You know, it's just it's like, well, it's gymnastics always 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:21.480 because you know, my daughter when she was kissed, she 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.120 went through the I'm in a vegan and then you 0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:24.840 buy this crap and she'd eat it because it tastes 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:26.720 like crap, of course, and she died my nuggets. So 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.720 we got problems. We're gonna go we're gonna throw down. 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:29.400 Uh. 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:31.320 But but you look at this and go, okay, that 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.320 that aside, when you get back to eggs and meat 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.240 and dairy and just just have a little bit of 0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:39.800 the good stuff and you're satisfied and you're fine. Let's 0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:42.640 I mentioned the impossible burger. Same thing it's like you're trading. Okay, hey, 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:44.520 that's no cholesterol, but it's got to help out of 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:45.760 sodium in it. 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.560 It's the sodium, but it's also the other stuff and 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.720 that's not yeah, exactly the chemicals. And that's the That's 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.200 the other part of this new guideline from the government 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.240 is you know, eat real food. 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:56.720 That's there. 0:59:56.880 --> 0:59:57.800 That's their three words. 0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:00.320 It's just real food as opposed to thing that have 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:04.080 been ultraprocessed, which we're finding that is that is the enemy. 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.640 That's that's where we really should be focusing our attention 1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:10.320 as opposed to you know, the saturated fats and eliminating fat, 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:10.760 et cetera. 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:12.640 How many days a week or how many times we 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:14.320 could I I mean have a process. I mean, if 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:17.360 you really want a you know, carry out cheeseburger or 1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:19.320 a pizza or something like that, there's going to be 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:21.880 you know, process glue all that stuff. How many times? 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:24.240 How often? It's hard? 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:26.880 I like sticking to the eighty twenty rule general in 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:29.000 my life, as far as you know, do eighty percent 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:30.680 of the time do it well? Twenty percent of the 1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.240 time not so well? Loose Obviously, as a physician, I 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:35.080 have to say never do it. But who's going to 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:37.480 follow that? Not even myself? Yeah, because I love a 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.440 good burger, right, and so I would say, you know, 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.439 as long as five days out of the week you're 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:47.200 eating healthy and watching all of that ultra processed food, 1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:50.800 you know, treat yourself, okay, once or twice a week. 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.720 But sometimes like the junk food is like, for example, 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:55.800 I like wings. So if I have chicken wing, it's 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.320 a chicken wing and it's Frank's red hot, which is 1:00:58.480 --> 1:01:02.840 just you know, peppers and vinegar and salt. Essentially, there's 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:05.840 nothing really processed about all that is there, but it's 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:08.760 still bad for me. It depends where you're getting your wings. 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:10.880 You're going out to a chain, you don't know what 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.000 they're frying it in, you don't know what extra ingredients 1:01:13.040 --> 1:01:15.560 they're putting in it. But yeah, to your point, if 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:18.920 you're making them at home and baking them especially, you 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:20.320 can Yeah, you. 1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:20.720 Can do that. 1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:22.840 Okay, All right, let's talk about the food minter again. 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:26.080 It's our resident physician and health guy Health Food and 1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:29.720 Fitness coming together with Sanjay shev A Crimani. Let's talk 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:32.840 about the new guidelines that rolled out recently for the 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:35.200 food pyramid and obviously the dairy element comes and out 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:37.640 the whole fat coming back, and so how much different 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:38.400 is it? What are they calling for? 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.080 So what they're calling for is increased amount of protein, 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:45.200 so one and a half grams per kilogram to one 1:01:45.200 --> 1:01:47.880 point seven grams per kilogram of body weight. So for that, 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:51.880 for me, I'm an American elish. That's the funny part 1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:55.840 is you know we have again and then we get 1:01:55.920 --> 1:01:59.320 kilograms in there, come on, come on. But yes, basically 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:03.680 for you can come down to basically half a pound 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:08.640 per sorry half u zero point five grams of protein 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:11.880 per pounded body weight. And so for me it's a 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:14.480 little over one hundred that I should be at. As 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:17.760 far as as protein, protein, yeah, a lot of protein. 1:02:18.000 --> 1:02:20.320 It is a lot, and you know, it's much higher 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:21.880 than what it was before. I think it was point 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:24.720 eight to one. And so we're increasing by a scale 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:27.800 of you know, almost seventy five percent increase, and so 1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:31.160 there is a lot to it as far as protein, 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:34.200 not just satisfying your hunger, but what it does to 1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:37.240 our you know, our body mass and how we metabolize 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:39.920 things and burn calories. And so what we're finding more 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:43.120 and more is protein is is golden as far as 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:43.640 its intake. 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:46.840 Yeah, yeah, I mean, especially very lean proteins, chicken breast, 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:49.520 things like that. You can't go wrong cooking that stuff 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:53.200 for sure. So and his said, well, your body only 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:55.200 needs a certain amount of this thing. But then you know, 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:57.720 you look at bodybuilders. You know, you own a gym 1:02:57.920 --> 1:02:59.880 and guys there. You know, back in the day when 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:01.960 I would left to see you need more prot than 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:04.320 the guidelines recommend, you're taking a way more protein than that. 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:06.600 Now your body just excreach. It's like, you know, vitamins 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:10.120 or just makes her p expensive. But every successful bodybuilder 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:13.600 I've ever seen or talked to, they eat incredible amount 1:03:13.600 --> 1:03:16.280 of protein. So there's some truth to this, and it's 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:18.280 more about the well, it's about the science, and I 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:19.240 see better than I hear. 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:21.600 Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, especially if you if 1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:23.560 you do want to get stronger and stronger. Now, if 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:26.520 you want to maintain, you don't have to pound the protein. 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:29.360 But if you do want to get stronger, bigger, et cetera. Uh, 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:32.760 increasing your protein intake is one of the cornerstones. 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:37.240 Okay, so yeah, the new guidelines are increasing protein. It 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:40.480 doesn't necessarily mean though, because often people confuse that protein 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:42.960 thing with either I've got to drink you know, liquid 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:46.520 abinos and all the or now I'm eating you know, 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:49.520 hamburger every meal. That's not true at all. Funny, A 1:03:49.560 --> 1:03:51.800 lean pin pork always got a bad rap because it 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:54.240 was fatty, but pork is extremely lean. Now pork is 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:54.800 pretty lean. 1:03:55.280 --> 1:03:57.800 I'm still very much a fan of poultry and fish 1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:00.760 in general, especially fish coming through with the Mega threes 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:04.040 and stuff like salmon. I even you know, macrol is 1:04:04.040 --> 1:04:06.640 one of those things that really comes up. And then sardines, 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:11.240 which I'm weird and I love them, but I'm I'll 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:13.840 put those things on my toast or my bagels in 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:17.360 the morning. Fiance, you know, turns her nose up or 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:18.520 just walks away when I do that. 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:23.160 Get the seas are salad, I'm having to start. Ones 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:24.880 don't fall on the list so much. Sardines are a 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:27.760 little healthier, but anchovies do have their health benefits too, 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:31.880 gotcha all right? Son, Jay? So we know protein is 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:33.040 is it the top of the pyramid? 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:33.320 No? 1:04:33.760 --> 1:04:37.400 So it they They've actually not. It's not really called 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:39.760 a pyramid so much anymore. It's actually drawn as an 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:45.400 inverted pyramid and overall, the the idea is balance, get 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.080 a certain amount of a lot of healthy things and 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:51.120 real foods. And so what you'll see is the picture 1:04:51.160 --> 1:04:54.680 depicted with vegetables and proteins up top, and then you'll 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.760 have whole grains on the bottom, which is again a 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:59.840 different change. It's you know, carbs are not the devil. 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:03.680 You know, however, many years ago keto is all the rage. 1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:05.480 I know some people still do it, but where we're 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:08.120 finding is balance is good and then paying more attention 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:12.320 to the protein intake especially and then your fruits and vegetables. 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:15.160 Is this all changed, this whole protein thing because of 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:17.640 the keto rage and the fact that actually work it rks. 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:19.440 I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it. 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:21.920 I mean, you know the keto craze was that was 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:25.440 that diet actually originally came from treating patients with seizures 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.439 and then they they found out like these kids are 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:31.200 getting gains. No, it was more like the weight loss, 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:34.720 and that's what happened, and people kind of jumped onto that. 1:05:34.840 --> 1:05:37.320 So we're going to continue to learn about this stuff. 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:39.840 And I wouldn't be surprised. I have well, I have 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:42.360 a little idea about what might be the next protein, 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:45.280 which is fiber, which has been ignored for a long time, 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:49.000 but fiber is probably going to be have more attention 1:05:49.120 --> 1:05:49.720 coming up to. 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:53.760 So normally think fiber, you think carbohydrates. 1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:57.800 You don't think protein, right, and you know it is carbs, 1:05:57.880 --> 1:06:01.720 but they're usually not absorbed carbohydrates, so you don't have 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:04.200 to worry so much about all the calories you're getting 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:05.840 in because they're just kind of kind of pushed through 1:06:05.840 --> 1:06:10.200 your your intestines and leave the body. And so fiber 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:14.080 is like a toothbrush or you're colon exactly power washing 1:06:14.120 --> 1:06:17.600 out there. And that's actually a great metaphor. It's you know, 1:06:17.680 --> 1:06:21.280 it really kind of moves things along and keeps you healthy. 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:23.840 And we'll see where that goes. I don't have a 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:25.400 lot of data to back that up, but I know 1:06:25.480 --> 1:06:27.160 that fiber is really getting more attention. 1:06:27.240 --> 1:06:27.400 Yeah. 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:29.160 I think we overthink a lot of this stuff too. 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:30.600 You know when it comes to diet, and you know, 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:33.000 exercise is important. You know, try to get up one 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:36.120 hundred and fifty two a couple hours of physical activity 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:37.960 week you keep your heart raking and stuff like that. 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:39.760 But you know what we put in our bodies. Some 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:42.560 people are just so like John John from Over a Kiss, 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:44.360 This this idiot. I see him in the kitchen the 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:46.880 other day and he's got a bag of mushroom coffee. 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:50.120 I'm like, I've heard about the mushroom coffee is coffee 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:53.640 and jeopardy. I said, why mushroom clut? Well, you know 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:56.120 it makes me the real coffee hits me. I got 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:57.840 to go to the bathroom, like, yeah, that's why we 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:00.800 drink coffee in the morning, because it's an essential part 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.840 of the going. Like I said, cheaper because I have 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:06.200 coffee is pretty expensive right now, and like mushroom case. 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:08.040 He's like, yeah, there's like a little bag, like eight 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:09.880 ounce bag of mushroom coffee. He's like, yeah, it was 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:10.680 forty five dollars. 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:11.320 Yeah. 1:07:11.600 --> 1:07:14.480 I said, what kind of idiot, what kind of first 1:07:14.560 --> 1:07:17.120 world white people crap are you pulling off here? On 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:21.080 MLK Day of all things? Mushroom mushroom coffee. That's the 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:22.240 whitest thing I've ever heard. 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:24.680 I love John John, and I will say I've seen 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:27.200 this man and he is ripped and so like, you know, 1:07:27.240 --> 1:07:28.760 there are a lot of people that were He's fourteen 1:07:28.800 --> 1:07:29.160 years old. 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:30.120 He shouldn't be ripped. 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:32.600 There are a lot of people that care about the 1:07:32.640 --> 1:07:35.720 minutia that haven't gotten those basic ingredients first, you know, 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:38.520 eat whole foods, et cetera. John John's at a place 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:40.560 that he can think about dabbling in the mushroom coffee, 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:44.000 I think if he wants to. But it's it is 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:46.280 about getting the basics right first, and that's what a 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:49.080 lot of people just jump to the smallest things, even 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:50.680 including the saturated fat debate. 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:52.560 You know, the most important things. 1:07:52.600 --> 1:07:55.120 Think about your calories, think about where your ingredients are 1:07:55.160 --> 1:07:58.280 coming from, and far as far as your diet, and 1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:00.960 those are kind of the most important. Like you mentioned, 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:06.480 get good movement, good strength, and exercise, sleep well, you know, hydrate. 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:09.040 These are the important things. And once you start mastering that, 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:11.080 then you can start diving into the minute ship. But 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:13.920 our brains like to focus on the details before we 1:08:14.000 --> 1:08:15.400 get to the kind of big picture. 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:15.800 First. 1:08:16.720 --> 1:08:18.760 Is it about you know, people hear this, okay, food 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:20.479 permit stuff, But calories still matter. 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:23.920 Calories still matter as far as everything you know, are 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:26.200 they the whole picture? Well when it comes to weight 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:29.799 loss kind of, but to pay attention to the calories, 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:31.720 I still look at them on the back of every 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:32.519 package I look at. 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:33.640 But what I'm looking. 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:36.840 At more these days is the ingredient and the ingredient list. 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:39.479 To the point of the new guidelines, you know, eat 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:42.160 real food, and so if I'm seeing words that I 1:08:42.200 --> 1:08:45.800 can't pronounce, I'm usually put in that package down. 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:48.599 It's tough to avoid that though, isn't it. I mean, reality, 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:50.120 it is. It is pretty hard. 1:08:50.160 --> 1:08:52.519 And that's the you know, that's that's one of the 1:08:52.560 --> 1:08:55.799 problems right now, is that oftentimes those whole foods, especially 1:08:55.800 --> 1:08:57.679 if you're going to try to pie a packaged ones 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:01.840 will be more expensive. But you know, getting getting those 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:03.680 real food stuff that you can cook at home if 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:06.400 you have the time, and knowing exactly what's going into 1:09:06.439 --> 1:09:08.040 your food is one of the most important things you 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:08.400 can do. 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:11.280 Okay, So the new dietary guidelines are relative to the 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:14.760 food pyramid. Protein is prioritizing this and go for the 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:17.679 lean proteins. Obviously, if you can skin on or skin 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:19.439 off the chicken, where are you at on that one? 1:09:19.479 --> 1:09:21.720 Where am I at? Personally? I keep that skin on? 1:09:21.880 --> 1:09:24.320 Yeah, I just love it, But you know, yeah, I 1:09:24.600 --> 1:09:26.360 do have to realize that if I'm doing that I 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:30.120 probably can't have dessert that night as far as Calorican 1:09:30.200 --> 1:09:30.719 take goes. 1:09:30.960 --> 1:09:33.920 Yeah, Like chicken thighs are the new chicken thyes. I 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:35.960 think are awesome because it's a lot cheaper and you know, 1:09:35.960 --> 1:09:37.559 as we look at the cost to meat these days, 1:09:37.560 --> 1:09:40.280 and there's a they taste really really good. I've been 1:09:40.280 --> 1:09:42.439 doing I've been doing instead of chicken wings because they're 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:44.840 small and they're very expensive. It's like I'll get thighs 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:46.960 and do them buffalo style that way and they're just good. 1:09:47.000 --> 1:09:48.840 So I used to do that with chicken breast. I 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:51.680 just kinda cute hot fry them and throw some hot 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:52.240 sauce on them. 1:09:52.280 --> 1:09:54.920 It's great. Ready to rock and roll. Sanjay Shavacromadi Here, 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:58.160 I'm Scotsloon Show on seven hundred WLW. He's a physician, 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:01.200 gym owner. He's a health guy. We talk about all 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:03.280 that stuff on Thursday mornings. Anyway, Where can people find you? 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:03.760 What your handle? 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:07.000 Dine Well doc or Doctor sun Jay Sinc. Those are 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:08.519 my two Instagram right at Dinewell Dock. 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:10.160 There you go. Appreciate it, brother, Thank you. We'll talk 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:13.200 next week. Scott's Loan Show, seven hundred W welw do you. 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:14.480 Want to be an American? 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:18.719 Scott's phone returning out to seven hundred w welww. Ohio 1:10:18.760 --> 1:10:21.880 hemp band kicking in tomorrow and it's already in court. 1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:24.559 So a brewery CB shops at TCH drinkmakers, two of 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.680 them here in Cincinnati as a matter of fact, and 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:30.519 joined in the suits in fighting to survive, something voters 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:33.839 overwhelmingly voted for, in my opinion, Back in twenty twenty three, 1:10:34.120 --> 1:10:37.960 State Senator Steve Hoffman sponsored that bill and its House 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:40.599 bill or some sorry Senate Bill fifty six. And this 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:44.479 thing has been I guess, taking apart and put back 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:46.320 together so many times. I don't know if we resemble 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:48.240 the initial one. But nonetheless, senator welcome. 1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:52.880 How are you doing well today? Doing well? That's Miami 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:54.080 RedHawks won a great game. 1:10:54.160 --> 1:10:54.280 Light. 1:10:54.400 --> 1:10:55.960 Did you were at the game last night? Give me 1:10:56.040 --> 1:10:56.519 a breakdown? 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:02.080 Oh, gone to a lot of these first four and 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:07.240 that place was packed with red. The Miami fans were 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:10.200 awesome and cheered them onto a victory. And I've never 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:14.800 seen the team of hot shooting three points. 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:17.160 Sixteen threes last night, and they got hot judged at 1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:19.719 the right time to pull ahead. It was an absolutely 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:22.799 fantastic Gama. Couldn't be happier for Miami fans and the program. 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:26.519 And also, let's face it, I'm very happy because I 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:28.960 had Miami advancing in my bracket, so I won at 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:29.840 least one of the two. 1:11:31.320 --> 1:11:35.320 Well maybe, yeah, you're a good right right? 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:37.599 All right there, I just admitted to filling out an 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:41.919 office bracket. Are the state lawmakers the legislature in Columbus? 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:43.599 So are they going to take that away next? Because 1:11:44.880 --> 1:11:47.280 it seems like they got like going after stuff people enjoy, 1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:49.479 like I don't know, THHC and fused beverages. 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:55.000 You know, you know, there's crazy. I've seen crazier things, 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:58.360 but I've not heard that they're they're they're going to 1:11:58.400 --> 1:11:58.920 get rid of that. 1:11:59.120 --> 1:12:01.879 Yeah, yeah, because you know it's a it's a gateway 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:03.439 betting is what it is, and then it gets out 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:06.200 of control. And all right, so what is the latest 1:12:06.240 --> 1:12:09.320 You're hearing on the lawsuits here? So the Supreme Court 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:13.120 could decide intervene here tomorrow. There's also a temporary straining 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:15.280 order for one of these things as well. Can you 1:12:15.320 --> 1:12:17.200 can you take me through the legal pieces here and 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:20.760 if a challenge, do you see the kind again? Your 1:12:20.800 --> 1:12:22.439 guest is probably as good as mine, maybe a little 1:12:22.479 --> 1:12:24.559 bit better. But do you see the courts intervening here? 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:30.799 So, you know, so the petition people, you know, announced 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:32.559 yesterday they were not going to get to the two 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:36.000 hundred and fifty thousand, and so there's been a you know, 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:38.879 earlier last week there was one filed that's the Supreme 1:12:38.920 --> 1:12:44.519 Court that basically said, you know, Supreme Court, make the 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:49.639 governor not do that, make the General Assembly do something else, 1:12:50.000 --> 1:12:51.880 and so it's just to the Supreme Court. And then 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:58.000 yesterday afternoon there was one filed in Franklin County based 1:12:58.000 --> 1:13:02.800 on you know, really two premises, one telling the you know, 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:07.320 the force the governor not to undo his veto and 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:12.840 the other one it's invoking the Interstate Commerce Clause, which 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:18.400 basically says, we have a conflict. Yeah, so we have 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:24.920 when getting rid of the hemp beverages in fifty six 1:13:25.080 --> 1:13:29.080 with his veto, we're now conflict. We're saying it's illegal 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:33.200 in Ohio, but it's the federal government and says it's legal, right, right, 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:37.000 So we're in conflict. But we won't be in conflict 1:13:37.080 --> 1:13:40.240 in November when it's illegal and in December. 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:42.760 But the hope is that the federal government sees things 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:44.880 like this and goes, you know what, people want this stuff. 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:47.599 Let's back up, let's get a win here and quit 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:51.080 hammering adults, grown adults who want to enjoy something they've 1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:53.040 been enjoying for quite some time. Because I think, Steven, 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:55.920 we've talked about this back in twenty and twenty three, 1:13:56.360 --> 1:14:01.120 we approve recreational marijuana overwhelmingly in huge numbers. Senate Bill 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:04.800 fifty six eliminated some protections there for users and more restrictions, 1:14:04.840 --> 1:14:07.080 and and I think it's another thing is like people said, well, 1:14:07.080 --> 1:14:09.320 we didn't vote for TC beverages, they weren't around that. 1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:12.759 I would disagree. I think, you know, if you want, 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:15.840 if you want to consume cannabis in that fashion, I 1:14:15.920 --> 1:14:18.360 think you guys put some guardrails up. But the complete 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:21.080 under ban of a legitimate product is insane to me. 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:24.559 It feels and smells like to me, like the legislative body, 1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:27.240 the General Assembly, is overriding the will of people. 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:31.240 Well, what's a correction. 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:34.759 The House in the Senate voted and Senate Bill fifty 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:38.080 six to allow these and did put guardrails around it 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:41.439 that they had to be in a the liquor license, 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:44.080 you had to only sell it to people over twenty 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:47.800 one yep, in five milligrams. So that was what the 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:52.439 General Assembly said, and the governor used to wine Item 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:56.439 Vito to get rid of that. 1:14:56.600 --> 1:14:56.760 Yeah. 1:14:56.760 --> 1:15:00.320 So what I'm disappointed in, and you know we've talked 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:04.400 many times before, when the federal government came in on 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:07.559 the big beautiful bill and threw this in there, you know, 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:11.640 to make these things illegal. Sometime in mid November of 1:15:12.040 --> 1:15:16.360 this year. I'm surprised, you know, four or five six 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:21.360 months later. I thought the federal government would come back 1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:24.240 and say, you know, here's the guardrail in states. You 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:25.719 decide on your own yep. 1:15:26.520 --> 1:15:27.240 But they haven't. 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:31.800 I haven't heard really any chatter. And as you know, 1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:34.719 the federal government doesn't do anything for the last second 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:36.840 to them, can you get your shut down? Maybe they 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:38.000 don't even do it last. 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:39.639 Year even then they just shut it down in punt. 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:43.640 That's the problem. That's the problem, Senator Huffman. The referendum 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:46.000 effort failed, and I think the other people who saw 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:48.320 well it failed because they know no one wants this. 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:48.679 No. 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:50.679 I think they didn't get their two hundred and fifty 1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:54.240 thousand signatures because not because of public support, but because 1:15:54.400 --> 1:15:56.800 they only had a month to gather them. So does 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:59.040 a failed signature drive, actually we don't hire and support 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:00.800 this large. Does it mean they ran out of time? 1:16:01.000 --> 1:16:02.839 I think it's run out of time. What are your thoughts? 1:16:03.880 --> 1:16:07.519 I agree they actually had ninety days, and you know 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:11.840 they lost time over the Christmas holiday. It's really hard 1:16:11.960 --> 1:16:16.160 in Ohio to get signatures and the debt of winter 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:19.400 and you're not standing outside of department store. 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:22.880 Below zero for like three straight weeks. So no one's 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.639 standing out collecting signatory right. 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:31.479 And you know, I sense things for going bad about 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:34.799 you know, mid January, end of January when they announced 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:38.320 that that they a lot of these things happened by 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:41.360 paying people to do it, and they there was an 1:16:41.360 --> 1:16:45.160 announcement or maybe I heard it on the street that 1:16:44.800 --> 1:16:47.959 that they're no longer we're paying anybody. 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:49.280 And so a lot of these. 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:54.240 Bars and places that serve this stuff just took it 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:58.280 upon themselves to have their patriots come in and in 1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:02.800 fineess and ties it that way and they which is 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:06.799 a tough tough way to go, and particularly in rural Ohio, 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:10.200 because you have to have so many from forty four counties. 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:13.880 You just can't have them all from Hamilton and in Franklin, 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:17.280 and those last four or five get really hard at 1:17:17.280 --> 1:17:18.880 the percent and how you have. 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:19.240 To give them. 1:17:19.280 --> 1:17:23.200 Yeah, it's unfortunate, but them's the rules right center. Bill 1:17:23.280 --> 1:17:26.240 fifty six a provision in there, and you tell me 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:28.479 if this is taken out of context, if it's accurate, 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:32.000 is that it can cost someone of their employment, benefits, 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:34.720 their parenting rights. They could you could get kicked off 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:37.800 an organ transplant list based solely on cannabis use, legal 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:40.920 cannabis use in the state. Do those provisions still exist? 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:44.000 Do the THC beverage band? Does that impact that whatsoever? 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:44.840 Your thoughts? 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:51.599 So those things are are technically true, that those things 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:55.519 are things? Can a judge can consider. I believe that 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:59.360 you know, you lose custo your child if you you 1:17:59.400 --> 1:18:03.160 have your child every other weekend and you partake in 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:08.400 beverages or or smoke marijuana and you're not you don't 1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:10.600 do it around your kid. You're not high when you 1:18:10.600 --> 1:18:14.280 pick the kid up. That's what the judge, it says, 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:18.720 the judge is supposed to take into consideration. And on 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:23.680 the on the organ transplant, you know, you know if 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:26.880 you're getting the kidney is one thing, But if you 1:18:26.960 --> 1:18:30.559 smoke marijuana the bad effects on your lungs, do you 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:33.200 get a lung transplant? It just kind of says that 1:18:34.000 --> 1:18:38.240 it can't be the sole reason, but judges and other 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:42.479 people can make a decision based on it's effect. 1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:46.439 Well, I guess the test would be with THT beverages, vapes, 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:50.560 tinctures and the other delivery systems for THHC. Yeah, you 1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:53.000 really shouldn't be high. You can't be high when you're 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:54.920 on your kid. But how many people, how many parents, 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:56.639 how many kids grew up listening to this thing, whether 1:18:56.640 --> 1:18:58.719 their parents would be in the backyard or the cookout 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:02.240 or sell a bration and have a few beers, is 1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:06.640 it the same thing? And looking at that way, did 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:08.519 they go, well, you know, this person was a picnic 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:10.200 with their kid and was drinking in front of them. 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:12.559 How's that any different than eating a gummy or hitting 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:13.000 a vappen? 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:16.200 No, I don't disagree with you. 1:19:16.280 --> 1:19:19.679 I think you know, if every weekend you're intoxicated from drinking, 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:25.040 drinking beer or intoxicating with marijuana hemp is one thing, 1:19:25.360 --> 1:19:32.120 but you know, occasional beer and not being intoxicated there's 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:32.720 another thing. 1:19:33.120 --> 1:19:36.679 Yeah, he is a state Senator, Steve Huffman. He sponsored 1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:38.960 Senate Bill fifty six. And this thing has been chopped 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:41.719 up like a stolen car time and time and time again. 1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:44.880 And the Ohio Hemp Band kicks in tomorrow. It is 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:48.080 largely it's one of the fastest growing beverage segments in 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:51.000 America as a matter of fact, and so many people 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:52.880 are turned on to it because they like the way 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:55.479 they feel after they're doing two or three or more 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:58.680 of these THFC and fused beverage instead of alcohols THC. 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:01.599 They feel that they recover better the next day, there's 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:04.200 not the hangover effect. They don't feel like they do 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:06.880 after alcohol. And so we're seeing the craft industry kind 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:09.800 of fade and the THC infused beveragestry to pick up, 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:12.000 and not just in Ohio, but elsewhere around the country 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:13.519 where this isn't a problem. And I think that's the 1:20:13.560 --> 1:20:16.240 other thing here. It seems like other states can handle this, 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:18.960 even despite what the federal government is going to do. 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:20.720 Why is Ohio so different about this? 1:20:23.000 --> 1:20:29.160 I agree, you see it being responsibly done in other states. 1:20:29.240 --> 1:20:32.360 And the House in the Senate thought we could. 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:36.120 They thought better. They but you know it doesn't help 1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:39.760 Republicans control of course the state House. And then you 1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:42.200 know the same bodies will say, well, look at Cincinnati, 1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:44.160 it's a disaster. That's why you need to have more reply. 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:47.080 I think we have a divided governments better. But nonetheless 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:50.400 I look at that and go, well, how is this 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:53.680 anything less than a big brother nanny state where you 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:56.400 can tell adults who clearly want this stuff that they 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:59.120 can't have it because we see some loopholes in here 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:01.479 that makes us say no, you can have it, and 1:21:01.520 --> 1:21:03.479 that it seems to me that's what you're up against 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:04.439 there in Columbus. 1:21:04.479 --> 1:21:10.160 Dyve No, I agree, And you know, looking forward, you 1:21:10.160 --> 1:21:14.280 know where does this go? I mean we've there's been 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:19.160 some discussion on overriding the veto. There's not a large 1:21:20.680 --> 1:21:23.360 a group of people in either body the center of 1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:26.640 the House. I don't think that is like gun ho 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:30.200 about overriding the veto on this. And if we did, 1:21:31.080 --> 1:21:35.160 it would still take ninety days to take effect. So 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:38.160 if it say we did it April first July, for 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:43.400 you could have the beverages again. But are these people 1:21:43.960 --> 1:21:46.800 that are producing these are they going to be able 1:21:46.880 --> 1:21:51.479 to idle their plants or idol what they do for 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:55.879 one hundred days and then they produced for four months, 1:21:56.479 --> 1:21:59.720 and then the federal band kicks in and then they're 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:00.679 out of business again. 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:01.599 That would be tough. 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:07.439 Yeah, you know, there's thought about bringing a new build 1:22:07.680 --> 1:22:12.040 to have all those regulations and stuff. But until the 1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:15.519 first or second week of January and the governor de 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:18.320 wine I think we put him on put it on 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:21.439 his desk again, he would he would detow it again. 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:24.800 So it's really not going to happen this year. And 1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:28.880 I don't you know whoever's going to be governor. I 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:35.280 have not heard Amy acton or VI mention hemp, beveragers 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:38.120 or marijuana in any real way, So who knows what 1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:41.479 if they wouldn't be towed or they'd be encouraging them. 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:44.519 Are you concerned, Senator Huffman. The message this sends the 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:46.800 business and that is, hey, you make a product, you 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:48.799 come up with a better mouse trap, so to speak, 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:51.479 and people enjoy it, they like it, they demand it, 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:53.360 and then we just simply shut you down. Why would 1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:55.920 I invest money in the Buckeye State if that is 1:22:55.960 --> 1:22:56.800 the pattern. 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:01.720 Well, I hope to think it's not a pattern. I 1:23:01.720 --> 1:23:05.080 think we've helped a lot of businesses, but no, I 1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:12.160 can certainly understand that hopefully they'll be able to you know, 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:16.240 malt liquors or seltzers or whatever they were putting THHD in. 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:19.400 You know that they can, you know, start running those 1:23:19.439 --> 1:23:24.759 lines with beer or some type of alcohol and make money, 1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:28.400 because you know, you look at what we did. We 1:23:28.560 --> 1:23:32.640 were limited to five milligrams, but the House and the 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:35.839 Senate said you can brew it to up to twenty 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:39.760 and sell that in Indiana and Kentucky or wherever else 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:43.800 around the country you want, where it's legal, but have 1:23:44.000 --> 1:23:47.679 people here employed and sell it elsewhere and make money 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:50.040 and bring that tax to the state of Ohio. 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:52.840 But yeah, yeah, and I know you're a physician by 1:23:52.880 --> 1:23:55.200 trade and not an attorney, because god knows, we don't 1:23:55.280 --> 1:23:58.599 have enough attorneys in the General Assembly. But nonetheless, you're 1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:00.720 hearing the Supreme Court is going to rule tomorrow on 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:02.400 this thing. Because the band goes into effect the law's 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:05.040 effective date that the ruling will most likely go against 1:24:05.120 --> 1:24:09.759 the hemp beverage industry, and if that's right, is essentially finished. 1:24:09.760 --> 1:24:12.280 I mean, it sounds like this is fatalistic. If you 1:24:12.320 --> 1:24:13.920 turn your taps off, you're not going to turn them 1:24:13.960 --> 1:24:17.360 back on. And if during this appeal, because you're waiting 1:24:17.360 --> 1:24:19.439 on that decision, it might go against you. And also 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:21.400 you have, as you mentioned, the federal band in place. 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:23.760 I think it feels to me like tht beverages are 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:24.839 done in the state of Ohio. 1:24:25.960 --> 1:24:28.040 Well, you got the federal or the. 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:33.479 Ohio Supreme Court, which I'm told is not a very 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:37.720 good argument at all. But then you have this a 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:41.639 request for a temporary straining order in Franklin County about 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:46.000 the interstate commerce clause. And you've seen a lot on 1:24:47.400 --> 1:24:49.960 different abortion things and other things. 1:24:50.400 --> 1:24:51.320 Is they just flack the. 1:24:51.760 --> 1:24:55.479 Temporary restraining order out there and say, well, I don't know, 1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:58.680 but I'm going to figure it out. And sometimes it 1:24:58.720 --> 1:25:02.120 takes a few week and sometimes it takes a few months. 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:06.439 So I think that is what the industry is kind 1:25:06.439 --> 1:25:10.400 of looking at to get this temporary you know, they 1:25:10.479 --> 1:25:13.120 go to the most liberal places and that's to. 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:14.880 Try to find out that's how it is. 1:25:14.960 --> 1:25:15.160 Right. 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:17.840 So it's called the dormant commerce clause, and that's the 1:25:17.920 --> 1:25:19.800 argument they're going to use, is that Ohio can't give 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:22.880 preference to a state product over a competing product. From 1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:25.360 another state. Is there any merit to that in your opinion? 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:29.920 Like you said, I'm not the attorney, but the people 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:34.479 I talk to say there is some merit, but it 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:38.280 has never really been tested in this way from a 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:41.200 fort or interpreted the way they want to. 1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:43.839 But you know, maybe they look at it differently. 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:46.560 Yeah, yeah, I just have a problem because THC and 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:49.439 few Saria hemp in few THHT drinks were it was 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:52.720 a growing revenue stream for craft rowis another band, and 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:54.839 that's why they're fighting this in court. It's a survival 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:57.920 issue for them. And I have a problem with Republicans 1:25:57.960 --> 1:25:59.920 touting that they're pro business when they do things like 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:03.680 this and necessarily not necessarily you, but others because and 1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:06.240 including the governor for that matter. So what is your 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:09.439 message to Ohioans then, Steve Hoffman who voted yes on 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:13.320 two in twenty twenty three, people who use marijuana legally 1:26:13.439 --> 1:26:15.880 and responsibly and now find out, well, you could lose 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:18.200 your job, your kids, an organ transplant, and I can't 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:21.960 get something that I've enjoyed for the past couple of years. Anyway, 1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:23.640 what do you say to those voters? What do you 1:26:23.680 --> 1:26:25.480 say to those people who don't feel represented. 1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:31.000 Well, I overall think that fifty six will make the 1:26:31.040 --> 1:26:36.439 marijuana industry better, less regulation, hopefully bring down the price, 1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:41.000 do that stuff like that. We've talked about the taxes 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:45.439 that are going to the local jurisdictions, so those are 1:26:45.439 --> 1:26:52.519 good things. But you know, I think people need to 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:56.280 make sure that there are people that represent them at 1:26:56.280 --> 1:27:00.360 the state in the federal level about the need need 1:27:00.400 --> 1:27:03.080 for this, or that they want this, and hopefully the 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:05.960 Feds and then the state will be able to change 1:27:06.000 --> 1:27:07.679 that to get to get it to happen again. 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:10.519 Yeah, well, we've we've kind of we screwed up. It's 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:12.479 amazing to me. It seems like we take something that's 1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:14.880 like a golden money tree and we screwed up. The 1:27:15.000 --> 1:27:18.080 nil thing is all messed up with the unclaimed funds. 1:27:18.080 --> 1:27:22.400 Instead of you know, attacks on legal gaming, which gamers 1:27:22.479 --> 1:27:24.720 and the industry said, yeah, that's fine because it's not 1:27:24.760 --> 1:27:27.240 like New York or California or taking half of it. 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:28.880 It'd be and we didn't want to do that. And 1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:30.840 now we have this issue going on going, hey, we 1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:32.960 got all this money coming in from marijuana. Now we 1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:35.519 don't want that never mind. And yet you know, the 1:27:35.560 --> 1:27:38.920 state is flushed with money, but local municipalities aren't. Cincinnati 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:41.639 City Cincinnati faces a budget crisis right now, and that's 1:27:41.880 --> 1:27:44.559 that's money that could be coming in. I don't understand it. 1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:46.559 I don't get it. I don't know why. I don't 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:49.840 know why we have people who are pearl clutters and 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:52.680 something that's been proven to help the human condition. As 1:27:52.720 --> 1:27:54.439 a physician, I think you admit that there's just a 1:27:54.520 --> 1:27:57.120 lot of positives with cannabis, But again, it's a it's 1:27:57.120 --> 1:27:59.360 a grown adult putting something in their body they choose to, 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:02.720 so there's a risk of intoxication and doing something that 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:05.559 could get you into trouble, hurt, injured, or dead. But again, 1:28:05.600 --> 1:28:07.200 if you're an adult and you're doing this or not 1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:09.479 allong kids to do it, this is not a problem. 1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:12.200 This is a solution in search of one. State Senator 1:28:12.240 --> 1:28:14.200 Steve Hoffman, as always, thanks for coming on the show 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:15.479 this morning. Have a wonderful weekend. 1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:17.760 You take care, Take care. 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.040 It's a Scott's Loan show with news in seconds here 1:28:20.080 --> 1:28:24.320 on seven hundred WLW. The buying and selling of homes 1:28:24.400 --> 1:28:26.000 isn't for the timin or meek. 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:30.400 The real estate world can be a vicious Jungle, playing 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:34.719 with Dangers and Pitfall Boss. 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I'm on my phone getting some answering, 1:29:06.479 --> 1:29:09.400 some emails and texts and stuff like that, and all 1:29:09.400 --> 1:29:12.040 of a sudden, I hear this noise and it sounds 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:14.040 like a big woosh. I'm like, what the hell is 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:16.640 going on? And the dog comes running in, but this 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.360 tail between his legs. What the hell happened in the kitchen? 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:19.840 I go in. 1:29:19.880 --> 1:29:22.799 It looked like a crime scene. There's there's like white 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:25.320 residue all over the bottom of the cabinets, all over 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:29.519 the floor, partly on his face. My wife, God bless her. 1:29:29.520 --> 1:29:31.280 In the morning, she gets her coffee, and what she 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:34.000 likes to put in her coffee is an amalgam of products. 1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:37.120 I don't know what's in their flavorings. There's elixirs, there's 1:29:37.400 --> 1:29:39.400 I don't know. She does a seance over each cop 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:41.280 and I'm not allowed to make her coffee because there's 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:46.280 a specific sugar to fake sugar to product ratio that's 1:29:46.320 --> 1:29:49.280 going on here. It's a whole thing. And the witches 1:29:49.320 --> 1:29:51.519 brew if you will, And so she she One of 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:53.040 the things she does is she will top it with 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:56.559 whipped cream. So I buy the Costco aerosolized whipped cream 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:59.599 for her, and she gives the habit is the doggle bag, 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:02.080 and she gets it's the dog a little like that 1:30:02.240 --> 1:30:04.519 in the mouth, and the dog like, okay, good. So 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:06.800 she puts it in the overfilled and I got to 1:30:06.800 --> 1:30:10.760 take the recycling out, but the recycling container and it 1:30:10.840 --> 1:30:13.480 goes in there. The lid doesn't shut on the recycling 1:30:13.520 --> 1:30:16.080 can in the kitchen, and the dog sees the can. 1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:18.240 And the dog's pretty smart when it comes to dogs. 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:19.960 A stupid son of a bitch. But when when you 1:30:19.960 --> 1:30:22.000 put food around this dog, he could do your taxes. 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:26.320 And so he gets somehow grabs just the can by 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:29.960 the little tip tippy thing, just the tip, and pulls it, 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:33.280 steps it on the floor upright and is chewing on 1:30:33.360 --> 1:30:34.920 the top with the sugar is of course, Now what 1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:38.040 happens is that little white thing, this flexible breaks and 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:40.519 gets stuck in a position where the can turns into 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:43.000 a whippet. So the thing spinning around on the floor. 1:30:43.040 --> 1:30:46.040 It's throwing whipped cream, residue and power whatever it is 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:47.719 in there, all over the place, all over the dog. 1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:51.200 The dog flips out. He's now high because essentially he's 1:30:51.200 --> 1:30:53.439 got nitrous bumps because he's doing a whipp it. So 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:55.960 the dog stoned out of his mind, and I got 1:30:56.000 --> 1:31:00.360 to clean the kitchen up. So it was a good day. 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:02.040 It was a good day. The cabinets and base sports 1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.320 are clean. I took care of it. I took job, 1:31:04.360 --> 1:31:06.920 and my wife ordered me by bringing home girl scout cookies. 1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:10.519 I did. I you know, the little girl that was 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:14.720 at the checkout or in the lobby or whatever, and 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.280 I always say, I'll get you on the way out. 1:31:17.720 --> 1:31:19.680 I'm not going to buy the cookies before I go in. 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:23.479 So then I was kind of hoping that maybe she 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:28.920 wouldn't be there when I left Kroger, but she was 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:31.280 still there. And I looked at her and said, okay, 1:31:31.479 --> 1:31:34.639 I promised you cookies. So I went and bought two 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:37.760 boxes of cookies. And I tried a new flavor this year. 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:40.200 I just called it, Hey, give me a box of 1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:45.680 lemon and she said she corrected me and said, it's lemonade. 1:31:46.040 --> 1:31:47.160 Oh, they're lemonade, Coki. 1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:48.760 Well is it? 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:50.639 Let me ask you, hon, is it in a glass? 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:50.840 No? 1:31:51.000 --> 1:31:54.880 Then it's lemon The eight is the liquid part. These 1:31:54.880 --> 1:31:57.800 are liquid. These are solids that would be lemon lemonade 1:31:58.400 --> 1:32:02.240 is the liquid forest. It's like gas and solids. Never mind. 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:05.080 And I got the chocolate peanut butter right, the little 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:06.760 chocolate I don't know what they're called, but the little 1:32:06.800 --> 1:32:10.200 chocolate peanut butter ones. Yes, there were thin mints there, 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:12.519 Oh my god, but I didn't go for the thin 1:32:12.600 --> 1:32:14.000 bing is is like, what. 1:32:13.960 --> 1:32:16.360 Kind of and yeah, obviously sugar is a big thing 1:32:16.400 --> 1:32:19.439 and all, uh, what kind of animal doesn't bring the 1:32:19.439 --> 1:32:20.120 thin mints home? 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:21.360 You know? 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:21.880 I wasn't. 1:32:21.920 --> 1:32:24.599 How did you do that? How are you not feeling thing? 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:26.640 What is wrong with you? That's like, you know what? 1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:29.680 That's like getting a bag of guardettos in leaving. You know, 1:32:29.840 --> 1:32:32.560 I'm not gonna eat the rye part. That's the best part, 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:35.120 right exactly. Everyone goes, oh, that's the best part. Yeah, 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:36.640 I don't want that. I want to I want the 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:40.479 knock off pretzels that are in there. No, I don't know. 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:42.920 I didn't feel the thin mints. I didn't feel like 1:32:42.960 --> 1:32:45.439 I wanted to buy three or four. 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:47.160 But you gotta have That's where the flavor is. 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:47.879 Boxes. 1:32:47.960 --> 1:32:50.559 You got three, three different kinds of girl scouts because 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:52.880 you got your lemonade, you get your peanut butter rounds, 1:32:52.920 --> 1:32:54.519 and then you got your thin mintes. But the flavors 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:55.920 and the thin mints, that's where the that's where the 1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:56.400 flavor is. 1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:59.040 All right, the girls will be there. I'll go back 1:32:59.040 --> 1:33:01.400 and get you a box of things. See, here's what happened, 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:04.240 and the reason why, the true reason why I did 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:06.479 not buy thin mints. We buy thin min's and then 1:33:06.479 --> 1:33:09.160 we act like their gold. So we put them in 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:13.599 the freezer and then they last year when we moved, 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:16.120 I had a box of thin Mints in the freezer 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:16.519 that had. 1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:21.360 Been there that you're so good. 1:33:21.360 --> 1:33:23.200 He wants to open them, so they save them for 1:33:23.240 --> 1:33:26.320 a special occasion. Well, that special occasion ever came and 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:27.960 I had a box of thin Mints in the freezer. 1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:29.960 So I said, I'm not buying a box of thin 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:33.760 Min's because we we wasted a whole box last year. 1:33:33.800 --> 1:33:36.080 Yeah, we're not good at the portion control with us. 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:39.120 I mean, look at me. Yeah, I know it's it's 1:33:39.200 --> 1:33:41.680 really hair well and I'm inspired. Always go back to 1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:44.040 I had a guy I used to know I used 1:33:44.040 --> 1:33:47.000 to work with as an engineer, and uh, you know engineers, 1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:49.040 how they think it's like math and numbers and everything. 1:33:49.080 --> 1:33:52.040 And he would buy a certain number of boxes every 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:54.120 of thin Min's every year. I forget how many. It's 1:33:54.120 --> 1:33:56.760 a ridiculous number of boxes of thin Mints. And he 1:33:56.800 --> 1:34:00.400 would have two thin Mints exactly every night with his 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:04.280 after dinner, just for an entire year. And he spaced 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:08.160 it out so that any factored vacation days, there, holidays, 1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:11.320 and came up to the exact number of boxes to buy, 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:13.519 so that he would eat the last two Girl Scout 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:16.200 cookies the day before the next round of Girl Scout 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:17.080 Cookies would come out. 1:34:18.000 --> 1:34:20.479 Wow, what kind of discipline. And that's like Navy seal 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:24.120 level discipline. That is incredible and it is something that 1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:28.320 we no idea. No no one listening does either, no 1:34:28.360 --> 1:34:31.120 one listening does. Let's talk about real estate stuff. We 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:33.320 move on from sugar products. 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:36.799 Okay, to the Federal Reserve. Yesterday they held the interst 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:41.960 rates steady. The Federate is steady. That was expected. There 1:34:42.040 --> 1:34:44.640 was only one vote to say let's lower them, and 1:34:44.680 --> 1:34:46.280 that was a Donald Trump. 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:49.320 Person, pretty important person. 1:34:49.400 --> 1:34:51.559 Yeah, it was very but it was eleven to one. 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:55.320 They held the rate steady. Again, we expected that to happen. 1:34:56.320 --> 1:34:58.240 There's a lot going on in the world. We don't 1:34:58.280 --> 1:35:01.200 need to be messing with the interest rates at this point. 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:06.000 What that did do, though, is it surged the mortgage 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:09.519 interest rates up a little bit. We have been hovering 1:35:09.640 --> 1:35:13.480 right around six percent for a mortgage interest rate average 1:35:14.800 --> 1:35:20.320 thirty year fixed six percent. As of this morning, it's 1:35:20.400 --> 1:35:24.200 up to six and a quarter. It's likely to fluctuate 1:35:24.479 --> 1:35:28.679 this in all of twenty twenty six. We really don't 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:33.720 expect big fluctuations one way or another, certainly not lower good. 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:36.880 We expect to be right around that six percent six 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:39.360 and a quarter. Maybe you go to like a five 1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:42.920 nine to eight or something like that. You can always 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:45.760 buy down the rate, and as you know, you can 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:50.679 always refinance. And if you get a higher rate today, 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:53.240 if the rates do go down a year from now 1:35:53.320 --> 1:35:56.360 or six months from now, you can always refinance. So 1:35:57.160 --> 1:35:59.720 expect the mortgage interest rates in twenty twenty six at 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:02.360 least for the second third quarter to be right around 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:03.000 six percent. 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:05.680 Gotcha, Well, so what does that mean for buyer sellers? 1:36:06.120 --> 1:36:09.559 You know, I think right now buyers, there's a lot 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:13.200 of pent up demand. We are seeing the spring market, 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:18.559 which honestly, March first started to go absolutely berserk. We 1:36:18.640 --> 1:36:21.680 started to see people. I think everybody has been just 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:26.240 shut in because of the weather and it's been unbelievable 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:28.599 and everybody's like, I need a new house. I want 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:31.599 to sell my house, I need to move. Something needs 1:36:31.640 --> 1:36:34.240 to move. So there are a lot more buyers out 1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:38.479 there than there are sellers. Again, that creates a seller's market. 1:36:39.080 --> 1:36:42.799 And there are still some homes that have not sold 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:46.920 from last fall. And I would say, if you're a buyer, 1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:49.320 don't be afraid to look at the homes that are 1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:53.960 still on the market, and because they are opportunities for 1:36:54.600 --> 1:36:58.880 great instant equity and there may not be anything wrong 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:02.639 with them because over the winter we had very few 1:37:02.720 --> 1:37:06.479 showings on these homes and people just didn't go out. 1:37:06.800 --> 1:37:11.800 We were just frozen. We were frozen, all right. 1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:14.719 But if the rates are stable, it's at me. 1:37:14.320 --> 1:37:18.679 It's like a new normal. It's fine. It's not seven percent, 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:22.120 which is not good. It's six percent, which is which 1:37:22.160 --> 1:37:26.960 is It's a good, happy medium. 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:30.719 Right now, what's the outlook. 1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:34.120 The outlook is it's going to be again. It's going 1:37:34.200 --> 1:37:36.360 to be strong and steady. It's just going to be steady. 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:38.720 It's not going to be gangbusters, there's not going to 1:37:38.800 --> 1:37:42.360 be a crash of any kind. It's just going to 1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:45.960 be kind of a nice even steady. 1:37:45.640 --> 1:37:48.400 Gotcha, steady steady. So what does that mean for the markets? 1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:50.120 And if you're looking for a house you want to sell. 1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:52.800 You need to do it. Go ahead, do it. What 1:37:52.840 --> 1:37:53.320 are you waiting for? 1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:54.920 What I'm waiting for is five percent? 1:37:55.520 --> 1:37:56.240 You're not going to wait? 1:37:56.439 --> 1:37:58.479 Well, I want four percent. I want That want was 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.559 three percent. My back in the day, we had three 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:01.599 per I want three percent. 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:05.400 That is never in my lifetime and probably. 1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:05.840 Going to happen again. 1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:06.960 Ever going to happen again. 1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:09.840 So wait five years and that then'll be the fact 1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:10.160 of five. 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:13.880 Well, no, I don't think so, I really don't, because 1:38:13.880 --> 1:38:18.519 it created it honestly created a situation that we're in 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:21.439 today where people still are holding on to those three 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:23.719 percent rates. They don't want to sell their house because 1:38:23.720 --> 1:38:25.080 they know they're going to have to go, they're going 1:38:25.120 --> 1:38:27.680 to have to double it. And so as far as 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:30.679 the market is concerned, I think right now we're slow 1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:33.400 and steady. There's a lot of people out there looking 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:38.599 their buyers are being very picky sellers. Just you still 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:41.680 have sellers, I will have to say, you have to 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:44.880 do your prep work. There was a time a year 1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:47.240 or so ago when things were flying off the market 1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:51.360 in minutes. That's not happening today. There may be in 1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:55.800 certain school districts and certain properties are going to go 1:38:55.880 --> 1:38:58.599 really really quickly, So you just have to be ready. 1:38:58.800 --> 1:39:01.200 So as far as the market is concerned, it's slow 1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:03.000 and steady. But at the same time, you got to 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:04.360 be ready. If you're ready, you're ready. 1:39:05.120 --> 1:39:06.920 So what's the what do you see the demand this season? 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:10.400 Because we are now officially in house buying house selling season, 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:13.719 people want to get stuff done. Probably there's that rush 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:16.439 right before school starts to get in a district. But 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:18.559 even during the summer, it's pretty busy. So what do 1:39:18.560 --> 1:39:19.160 you see the summer. 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:23.439 No, there's definitely demand right now. I mean again, we've 1:39:23.439 --> 1:39:26.559 been we've been really open for business since March first, 1:39:27.360 --> 1:39:30.599 and that's when the lock came off the real estate 1:39:30.640 --> 1:39:34.000 door and everybody is rushing in. So I expect it 1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:37.600 to be pretty busy, pretty busy. And that gets me 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:41.280 to the next topic is making sure that if you 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:44.519 are selling, your curb appeal has to be on point. 1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:49.679 You can't just have, you know, a ratty lawn and uh, 1:39:49.960 --> 1:39:51.800 you're going to have to take care of your take 1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:53.120 care of the outside of your home. 1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:55.920 So clean your bushes and shrubs up and tend to 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:59.400 your trees. That is absolutely true. 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:02.679 The spring prep is on right now, and the weather 1:40:02.800 --> 1:40:07.320 is going to be gorgeous this weekend. And the interesting 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:10.400 thing there, I have five things you ready, I think 1:40:10.439 --> 1:40:11.519 it's a little later in my. 1:40:11.840 --> 1:40:13.360 Hey you got a couple, Hey got a couple of minutes, 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:14.160 Go ahead, just run. 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:20.519 The five mistakes that you can make for your lawn 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:21.519 and landscape right. 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:23.720 Number one is not to buy thin mint's. Number two 1:40:24.240 --> 1:40:26.519 is to teach dogs to like whipped cream. 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:32.960 Okay, Waiting too long to start is the biggest mistake, 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:36.720 because you know, if it is right now, we're going 1:40:36.800 --> 1:40:40.440 to be in the eighties on Sunday. Yay. Our weeds 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:44.400 are already germinating. We're already seeing some of the weeds 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:48.120 start to pop, right, and that's when you know it's happening. 1:40:49.240 --> 1:40:51.840 All of the weeds are coming up. And so this 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:54.599 is the weekend. In the next probably ten days, you've 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:58.519 got to get on top of that. Otherwise you're going 1:40:58.600 --> 1:40:59.520 to have weeds. 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:01.599 All year, right, right, right, So get your creen, get 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:03.760 your ground clear, get your grass kicked out, get get 1:41:03.760 --> 1:41:05.519 your round up, get a mask on, don't breed that 1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:07.800 stuff in and on fire away. 1:41:07.840 --> 1:41:10.519 It's what you're saying, That's what I'm saying. The number 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:15.000 two mistake that you could make is the difference between 1:41:15.479 --> 1:41:19.559 do you know what the difference between a queen queen, 1:41:20.200 --> 1:41:23.200 a clean lawn and a weedy mess? 1:41:23.479 --> 1:41:26.920 Do you know the difference? Yeah, there's fewer weeds on 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:27.840 a non weedy lawn. 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:32.240 Yeah, crab grass prevention again, did I talk about that 1:41:32.600 --> 1:41:33.120 dumb question? 1:41:33.640 --> 1:41:33.760 Right? 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:33.960 Yeah? 1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:35.000 What's the different? 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:37.120 A lot it has lots of weeds and a lot 1:41:37.200 --> 1:41:39.400 that doesn't have weeds, I would say weeds. 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:41.559 I think you did? You did you already mess that. 1:41:41.560 --> 1:41:44.559 Kind of Yeah, yeah, you put some of that stuff down. 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:46.360 But again you may need a law company to come 1:41:46.360 --> 1:41:48.559 in or just yeah, if you have a How much 1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:50.599 does that add to curb appeal though? Does it really 1:41:50.640 --> 1:41:51.599 translate to more money? 1:41:52.439 --> 1:41:56.719 Oh? Absolutely yes, yeah, because when people see huge patches 1:41:56.760 --> 1:42:00.000 in your lawn and and things of that and it's 1:41:59.840 --> 1:42:03.880 it's all nasty, it does make a difference when they 1:42:03.880 --> 1:42:06.759 go in and they when you have the wow factor 1:42:06.880 --> 1:42:10.200 on your curb appeal, that makes a huge difference. 1:42:10.280 --> 1:42:10.559 Yeah. 1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:12.320 And if there's bare patches, you know, you can throw 1:42:12.320 --> 1:42:14.200 some patch down and just got to lightly rake it 1:42:14.280 --> 1:42:16.280 or get the kind that's in the bag and you spray, 1:42:17.000 --> 1:42:20.240 just spray it all down. And me with you're messing 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:23.120 with my I gotta get going. Oh, I said, you 1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:25.679 got two minutes, you talk one topic, you talk for ten. 1:42:25.840 --> 1:42:27.719 You're a gibber jabber. Do you know that my wife 1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:30.519 is a legendary gibber jabber. I like the gibber down 1:42:30.600 --> 1:42:34.040 here is a gibber jabber. Scott, do not cut the 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:36.679 grass too short. It's too soon to do that. Okay, 1:42:37.400 --> 1:42:39.280 a lot of people got their lawnmowers out. I saw 1:42:39.280 --> 1:42:43.240 a couple of people cutting their grass. Oh not right now, 1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:46.280 not too short, not too soon, too short, too soon, 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:48.799 got it Leave it high. 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:50.559 First, fe mos, you got to keep it higher. And 1:42:50.600 --> 1:42:54.080 then don't over Malt drives me crazy, even like the 1:42:54.960 --> 1:42:58.719 street crews that come through and they like seven feet 1:42:58.840 --> 1:43:02.200 up the trunk of the tree. Wrong, bad, bad, don't 1:43:02.200 --> 1:43:02.479 do it. 1:43:02.520 --> 1:43:03.800 Don't do that. Don't do it. 1:43:03.840 --> 1:43:05.840 Also, get rid of like you keep piling an old 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:08.880 bunch on new much new, mult on old, and it's 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:10.760 you've got this mountain. You gotta get to get rid 1:43:10.800 --> 1:43:14.400 of something old put on the lawn. I'll break down, 1:43:14.439 --> 1:43:17.519 I'll be good, right, that's all right, Love, you gotta go, 1:43:17.520 --> 1:43:21.080 gotta go, man, oh man, Well go to go to 1:43:21.080 --> 1:43:22.120 the store. Buy some whip cream. 1:43:22.520 --> 1:43:23.920 I'm gonna get some finance for you. 1:43:25.280 --> 1:43:27.639 Just the pack one one pack, one sleeve of Thinness 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:29.320 is all I asked. All right, Love, you gotta go. 1:43:29.760 --> 1:43:32.599 Willy's on the way in just minutes here and uh oh, 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:34.559 I forgot to plug her little er. You just got 1:43:34.560 --> 1:43:37.479 the podcast at the iHeartRadio app and or her YouTube 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:39.600 show too as well. At Lonesel's Holmes dot com. My 1:43:39.640 --> 1:43:42.240 wife Michelle slone, there you go. Okay, got the plug in. 1:43:42.280 --> 1:43:44.880 The most important thing is are the ads get the 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:47.160 plugs in? Take care of the sponsors. That the seg 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:49.519 man would say, full news, and my wife did give 1:43:49.560 --> 1:43:51.479 it away. We got a great weekend weatherwise coming. It 1:43:51.479 --> 1:43:53.920 looks like fantastic for sure. So all that and more 1:43:54.280 --> 1:43:56.680 in just minutes, has said Willie coming up on the 1:43:56.720 --> 1:43:58.200 Home of the Red seven hundred w wt. 1:43:58.240 --> 1:43:58.599 Since now