1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Five, six, six, nine Zeros or Kaway common Spirit Health 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: text line today was the franchise tag deadline. We got 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: free agency starting here in about six days. Looking forward 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: to seeing what the Broncos do with a lot of 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: these teams are going to do around the league. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: I wanted to kind of start this conversation. 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Off with a little bit of about the running backs, 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: but the guys that were expected to potentially get tagged 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Alec Pierce for the Colts, Chargers defensive end Odafe Oway, 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: Raven Center, Tyler Linderbaum Bengals defensive end Trey Hendrickson, who 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: of course has a relationship there with Sean. Before we 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: get to the running backs, Dave and he interested any 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: of those players in free agency, they're all going to 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: command a pretty penny Yeah. 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the positions the Broncos we'll 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: look at, and we've talked about him a lot, inside linebacker. 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: I think they look at tight end. I think they 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 4: look at running back. 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: Those three positions to me seemed to be the places, 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: whether in free agency or the draft, that the Broncos 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: it would make sense that they would attack those three positions. 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: Now how they do it you know the Ben even 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: report of the story that the Broncos were in on Montgomery. 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: On Montgomery, right, I don't know if that's true or not. 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: Ben seems to think it is. And so they were trying, 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: they were trying, if that's true, they were trying to 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: attack the running back position in that form didn't work 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: out right, because I mean they got Houston, maybe bid 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: a little bit higher for David Montgomery. So a lot 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 3: of these moves, those three positions will will be determined 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: on what happens in the telephone call from one GM 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: to the other GM with respect to player A, B, C, 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: and D. Anyway for us to get a conversation going 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: about player B and so it's just it's it's like 36 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: a high stake game of Monopoly. 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 5: The one guy not tied Kenneth Walker. That I think 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 5: is huge news because obviously, as we said, the Broncos 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 5: are in the market for a running back for them 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 5: to be going out to David Montgomery. You see it now, 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker is a completely different back than JK. Dobbins 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 5: and David Montgomery. He's a jump cut or even jump 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 5: cut the whole field type of back. And I would 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 5: love the idea of a Kenneth Walker in Denver because 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 5: when he was in Seattle, it was him as Zach Scharbernay. 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 5: So he's used to being in a running back platoon 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 5: and he was still productive. And so I think if 48 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: you can get a Kenneth Walker for under thirteen a year, 49 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 5: you do it. 50 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 3: But why would anybody think that the Seattle is knocking 51 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: to pony up for Kenneth Walker. What in the world 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: would lead anybody? 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: Am I missing something? Well? 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: I don't know why. 55 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 5: I think they might be high on Zach Sharbonnay. 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: And but he's coming off an ACL. 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 5: He's a big reason he won that Super Bowl, Super 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 5: Bowl MVP. 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Well, the reason is is at least the discussion, at 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: least the stuff that was said out of the combine 61 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: is that they have other guys they need to pay 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: Spoon Witherspoon's one of them, and then j Sen is 63 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: due for his contract as well, so Jackson Smith and Jigba. 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: So so the. 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: Word is that they would maybe trade Kenneth Walker. No, 66 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: he's a free agent, so you can't trade him. So 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: do you think they're going to let him walk out 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: the door. Yes, that's that's the that's the expect expectation. 69 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: I think that that maybe I know for sure, that's 70 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: the dumbest thing I've heard todayday, not not in my life, 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: but that's just an incredibly dumb I mean, were they not? 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean, Josh Snyder is one of the smartest gms going. 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: I mean, nobody can argue with the success that guy's had. 74 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: But didn't weren't they watching the games? Maybe I watched 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: a different game. 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: At least what I heard out there in Indy was 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: they have a price in mind, but they are. 78 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Under the belief that he will clear that in free agency. 79 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: So like they have like maybe let's just say argument, 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: they have like ten in mind, maybe even up to eleven. 81 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 3: So one of the I'm trying to think of because 82 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: this has changed recently with some of the top backs, 83 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 3: like when you when you talk about broke the bank, Yes, right, 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: but who else is out there that and where what 85 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: range are they in currently? I mean, how many double 86 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 3: digit million dollars running backs do we have in the league? 87 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: We have? 88 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey is nineteen yep, Derek Henry's fifteen yep. Breest 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: Hall now fourteen because he got tagged. He got tagged 90 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: fourteen for Jonathan Taylor. Okay, twelve two for Alvin Kamara. 91 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Now that my changes here, Yeah, Josh Jacobs is twelve, 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: James Cook is eleven to five, Kyron Williams is eleven, 93 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: and then Aaron Jones is ten and he's gonna purse 94 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: probably a free. 95 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 5: He's getting released. So I mean, James Connor is nine 96 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 5: to have you when. 97 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: You talk about I mean, when you talk about him, 98 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: he's I mean, he would be an upgrade without any 99 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: question in the running game. He's not a receiver, So 100 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: that does that diminish his overall value to some I mean, 101 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: you talk about Christan McCaffrey in nineteen million dollars, Yeah, 102 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: because he's your best running back and he's probably your 103 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: best receiver. 104 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: He is, I mean you about that. 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: That's so unique in the NFL at nineteen million. Derrek 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: Henry's on on sort of the the end part of 107 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: his career. Jonathan Taylor is a sprinter who happens to 108 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: be two hundred and twenty five pounds, great, great player. 109 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: But Kenneth Walker, I mean, if you could get Kenneth Walker, 110 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: I would say he's going to be in that in 111 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: twelve category. I would think and if you could get 112 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: him for that a three year deal, three for thirty three, 113 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: three for three for thirty three, and three for thirty four, 114 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 3: and you guarantee twenty seven, so you're guaranteed nine a year. 115 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: I'm spending Greg Pitter's money, but I would have to 116 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: absolutely step up and try to try to get that done. 117 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: One of the people I follow today said that the 118 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: number will actually start closer to fourteen, which is what 119 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,559 Speaker 1: Breeze Hall is making. 120 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: Okay, I can see that. Yeah, Walker's still a bit. 121 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: I mean, how old is he? Twenty five? 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 5: Maybe? 123 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's twenty something. L hold on, I'll tell you Karrent. 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 5: Walker's twenty five. He turned twenty five in October. He's 125 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 5: a two thousand babies. So whatever year it is, please 126 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 5: think about that. Yow. 127 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: But you want to get old quick. That dude's born 128 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: in two thousand. You had a beard and drinking schlitz bro. 129 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 5: I was just talking to Terrence Ferguson working out he 130 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 5: was born in two thousand and three, and I'm sitting 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 5: here on the heritage right Yeah, I'm like, are you 132 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 5: two thousand and three as a Colorado kid. 133 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: That's been great, Yes, Yeah, he's been great. 134 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's that's an interesting spot. I agree 135 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: that that that money, that amount makes sense to me. 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: But that's why he's not staying with Seattle because they 137 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: don't have him at fourteen. 138 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: They can't afford him at fourteen. Where's the rest of 139 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: the league. 140 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: There's certain out there releasing somebody for somebody's to keep 141 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: him to make Yes, sir, well you can just you're 142 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: the defending Super Bowl champion. You're a team that and 143 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: I know your offensive coordinators moved on and they've hired 144 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: a new offensive coordinator. They're gonna be I still, I 145 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: think a run first, play pass, the system. 146 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: Is not really going to change. 147 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: Charbon Ay is a really good player coming off in ACL. 148 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: The other back is the kid from Boise that I 149 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: can't remember his name. 150 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: I mean, he's a hard running back. 151 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sure you win the Super Bowl 152 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: without Kenneth Walker, So I I don't know. I would 153 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: within reason, if I'm John Schneider here I am telling 154 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: John Schneider how to do his job, You'd probably tell 155 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: me to have. 156 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: A simple shut the hell up. 157 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: But I mean, if I'm John Schneider, I'm doing everything possible, 158 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: not to have Kenneth Walker walk out the door? 159 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: Are you a little bit disappointed the Breeze Hall didn't 160 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: see free agency. 161 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: I didn't think you and I talked about that. I 162 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: didn't think he would. There was no way. I mean, 163 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: they want to keep him. He's he's a big time player, 164 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: I mean, a big time young back. 165 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: Is it a little bit obnoxious? 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know if he feels this way because 167 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna make fourteen million this year, so maybe he's 168 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: like whatever, But you're you're kind of trapping him there, 169 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: Like the Jets aren't going to go anywhere. They're they're 170 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: not playing for anything this year. Sorry Jets fans. 171 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 5: You know, people say that about the Broncos a couple 172 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 5: of years ago, and so don't don't go. Don't right, 173 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 5: And le Broncos didn't a couple years ago either, and 174 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 5: so they dropped the bow Knicks. 175 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 4: Don't You don't think Dery Carr is a good player? 176 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 2: You think Derek Cars going to the Jets? I've heard 177 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: that rumored or or Kyler. 178 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: Murray that would not be that would not be a 179 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: bad move. 180 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 5: But I just a lot of people have to think 181 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 5: about the New York media if you're a sensitive player, 182 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 5: that might not be the place to go. They're relentless 183 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 5: out there, you know what I mean. But I just 184 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 5: we're talking about who Seattle would have to release. I 185 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 5: can tell you who they could release, Cooper Cup. That's 186 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 5: the easiest one you could release, because you're paying them 187 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 5: fifteen million dollars a year. And he's really not He's 188 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 5: not giving you fifteen million dollars a year worth of production. 189 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: How many passes he catched last year. I still think 190 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: he's a player, but he has lost a step. But 191 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: he is a smart, smart, really smart route. 192 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 193 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 5: And jays Um literally said to be. 194 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 4: The highest played receiver. 195 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 5: No, but he also gave credit to Cooper Cup and 196 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 5: that the way that he prepares it would not be 197 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: like that. 198 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 199 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 5: And that's why he had such a jump from year 200 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 5: one to year two is because of a Cooper Cup. 201 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: Cup at forty seven for five ninety three and two 202 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: touchdowns regular season. 203 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: Okay, then maybe I go to Cooper Cup and say, listen, 204 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: you know I want to I want to keep you 205 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: another two years. I'm gonna guarantee your money for two years, 206 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: but I need you to help me make certain that 207 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker remains on this team, and Cooper Cup has 208 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 3: made a buttload of money, it would seem, at least 209 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: to me to be the kind of guy that would 210 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: be open to a discussion like that. 211 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 4: Would you even? 212 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: Would you? 213 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: Actually? 214 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 5: I know this is off topic, but no, it's not 215 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 5: off topics. On topic? Did you know that Cooper Cup 216 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 5: only has two thousand yard seasons? 217 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 4: Two? No, that's it. 218 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: But the one season he had nineteen hundred and forty 219 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 5: seven yards, but he's only had two thousand. 220 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 2: Crown that year? Didn't he have the most. 221 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 5: Sixteen touchdowns, one hundred and forty five catches, one. 222 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: Hundred and forty five catches, one hundred. 223 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 5: And forty five He got targeted that year one hundred 224 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 5: and ninety one times. Wow, Hey, having that's the oh 225 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 5: my goodness. 226 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: To take what your career? 227 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: I get started that many times in my career. But 228 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: he's he has been a really, really great player. But 229 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: I that Shelby brings up a good point in terms 230 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: of his money. I wouldn't get rid of him. But 231 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: to me, if you really unless you just don't want 232 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker at let's say thirteen five a year, whatever, 233 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 3: maybe they say, eh, maybe there's something they see that 234 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: I don't see or we don't see that they say, 235 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: let him, let's let him go. 236 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 5: Well, the year before, you only like he had one 237 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty three carries for five hundred and seventy 238 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 5: three yards, and so I don't know if you're talking 239 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 5: about oh, one year, he's great one year, you know 240 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: what I mean? Maybe, But the idea is that he 241 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 5: was your Super Bowl MVP, and he after Zach Sharpening 242 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 5: went down, he literally is the reason that your team 243 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: was successful. If I'm Sam Darnold, I'm like, there's no 244 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 5: way you let this guy leave the building. He just 245 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 5: held just won the Super Bowl, and he made my 246 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 5: life a lot easier. 247 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: So for Cooper Cup's contract, very quickly here Cooper's cups contract, 248 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: he's a seventeen point four million dollar cap hit and 249 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: he still has seventeen million dead so you'd have to 250 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: do some kind of restructure. It wouldn't be just a 251 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: we move on because there's no cap savings there for 252 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. One thing I wanted to bring up with 253 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: Kenth Walker because you said he's not not much receiver. 254 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: That's not what he's ultimately known for. We heard Chris 255 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: collins Worth talking about there during the Super Bowl. Do 256 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: you tip your hand a little bit there with Kenneth 257 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Walker because the idea, I guess theoretically is that when 258 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: he or Rjie Harvey are on the field, you're not 259 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: telling the defense what you're doing out there. 260 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 5: Oh wow, he only has two receiving touchdowns his whole career. 261 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, he's not a pass receiver. I mean, certainly, 262 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: there are tels with certain players in the game. It's 263 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: the same thing, you know, when some teams use multiple 264 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: tight ends and then they go to one tight end. 265 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: Who's the tight end that's in the game. What are 266 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: they more likely to do with this guy in the game. 267 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: It's just like a formation tell. That's what defenses prepare 268 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: for the entire week. So sure, you know it's there, 269 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: just aren't many of those. I mean, Christian McCaffrey and 270 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: Alvin Kamara when he's completely healthy, those are guys that 271 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: in the game you're not sure because they can run 272 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: it and they can also be the best receiver for 273 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 3: their respective team. So yes, there would be a tell. 274 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: But you just can't find guys like McCaffrey in this league. 275 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: Teams have tried, and they just they don't fall off 276 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: the limb. 277 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 5: Well, well, someone on a text line actually had a 278 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 5: great question. He said, I love the idea of Kenneth Walker, 279 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 5: but where are you going to get the fourteen million 280 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 5: to sign him? You have twenty six to twenty seven 281 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 5: million in cap space. Down from what I've read, you 282 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 5: need twelve million for your rookie class. That alone takes 283 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 5: you down to fifteen. You have plenty of free agency 284 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 5: you have to decide on, including a bunch of others 285 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 5: with just the name a few. I'm not sure if 286 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 5: they'll all come back, but that's still a lot of salary. 287 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: Even if you potentially cut the green lawn powers, you 288 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 5: still need to find other cuts and restructures for that. 289 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 5: I just don't see how that's financially possible. The way 290 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 5: it is financially possible is because in your first year, 291 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 5: if you deal, your cap hit is extremely small. And 292 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 5: so that's how teams get around it is they restructure 293 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 5: people to knock down their cap hits to extremely small, 294 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 5: you know, small numbers, and then usually the first year 295 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: of your deal, to say you're doing a fourth you 296 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: just say you're doing fourteen a year right, So this 297 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 5: three for forty two, let's just say that, right, and 298 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 5: the first year cap hit would probably be like four 299 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: or five and maybe even less depending on how they 300 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 5: do because depending about the signing bonus and that kind 301 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: of could affect it too. So the idea is you 302 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 5: can't afford him, that's not the question. And you will 303 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 5: can still afford to go get other people too, but 304 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 5: you might have to restructure some people. Yes, but the 305 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 5: money is not problem. They can afford keen of Walker 306 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 5: if they want him. It's a matter of if they 307 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 5: want to spend thirteen fourteen to fifty million on a 308 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 5: running back and that and that's really the biggest question. 309 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: Mark. 310 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right. And I mean he would represent 311 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: the top of the market. So if you're going to 312 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: take because Dave you mentioned a couple months or a 313 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: month ago that you expect there to be some kind 314 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: of splash, well that would be the splashy play, like 315 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: if you're going to make a splashy play on offense, 316 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Keith Walker would absolutely represent that. 317 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: Would you rather have him or TRAVESYTN? 318 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 4: And I oh, I'm an ETN fan. 319 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: Me too, And he is a receiver out of the 320 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: b fields. 321 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. See, I think he's actually a better receiver out 322 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 5: of the backfield i've than a true running back. But 323 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 5: it just opens up a lot. 324 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: Of optionity for offense that if that's the case, he 325 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: is he does atn and Archie Harvey have similar roles. 326 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: They do because clearly, at least this year, Harvey was 327 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: better in the passing game than he was in the 328 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 3: running game. Now, again, you. 329 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: Never really know how the staff views that. 330 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: Maybe it was a byproduct of a lot of things, 331 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: and maybe they think maybe there's a genuine feeling within 332 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: that building that lists. I mean, if Rgie Harvey comes back, 333 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: it'll be his second year, things are going to settle in. 334 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: You know, maybe they still think like this kid can 335 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: be a productive in between the tackle running back in 336 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: this league. 337 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: And if they feel that. 338 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: Then they're not going to go out, I don't think 339 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: and pay fourteen million dollars a year or thereabouts for 340 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: a running back. They'll find a serviceable running back. Whether 341 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: they bring JK. Dobbins back, he's more than serviceable. I mean, 342 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: he's a guy that I would be all in on. 343 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: The only thing about him we've talked about it are 344 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: his injuries. 345 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: Here's what George Payton said about RGIE Harvey out the combine. 346 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: And he's still a pet cat. 347 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 6: And I thought he had a really good year for 348 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 6: a rookie and everything that was thrown to him. And 349 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 6: then you know, Dobbins gets hurt, he comes in and 350 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 6: he can just do you know, he's dynamic with the 351 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 6: ball in the hands. And you saw it at all 352 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 6: stages during the season, big games, you know, Jacksonville, Buffalo Playoff. 353 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 6: You know, just him with the ball in the hands, 354 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 6: his hands, his route running ability. I thought he improved 355 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 6: first and second down. You know that the game slowed 356 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 6: down for him as the season went on. Couldn't be 357 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 6: more happy about Arja. 358 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: So he might have just theoretically answered my rhetorical question 359 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: about what they think in the building about r J. 360 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 4: Harvey. 361 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: It sounds to me, based on that answer that they 362 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: feel like, hey, this was his rookie season. We're not 363 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: about to cast him aside, which to me then would 364 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: eliminate a guy like Travis Atn from being signed here. 365 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: You might even eliminate kennth Walker. 366 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 5: It might, but you know it wouldn't. And this has 367 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 5: been my favorite from the beginning as a title ales year. 368 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 5: I think he'd be perfect here, a bigger back who 369 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 5: can you know, run between we know for sure can 370 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 5: run back. That's what there's looking a price range for him. 371 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 5: I mean I said one thing that says between three 372 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 5: to eight. So obviously it just depends on your market. 373 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, hammer JK. 374 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 3: Dobbins K Dobbins would stay healthy for seventeen which obviously 375 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: nobody knows. 376 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: I would take Dobbins me too, But that's the that's 377 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: the question. 378 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 5: I would take Algiers, no question, because I just well, 379 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 5: wonder well, he's not the not like he's not injury 380 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 5: prone either, but the idea is just that I like 381 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 5: the way he runs, and I think he would fit 382 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 5: better with If you think AUJ Harvey's wanting to get 383 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 5: a more increased role, I think a Algier would be 384 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 5: perfect to team up with them, because the guy who 385 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 5: is a bigger back of strong, powerful back, and then 386 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 5: you bringing AUJ Harvey is kind of like that smash 387 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 5: and dash stuff they used to do in Carolina back 388 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 5: in the day. 389 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: Was that D'Angelo Williams and Johnson Stewart. Yeah, Oh they 390 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: were so good. That was that was good? Well, think, yeah, 391 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: I do think you need a bigger back. So to 392 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: your point about Traves Ytn, there's a little of an overlap, 393 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: an obvious overlap on what their skill sets are, and 394 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: they they probably are getting tired of the Joker conversation. 395 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: Is not is Arjie Harvey not being described basically as 396 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: a as a mismatch joker player. 397 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: I'm I'm lost on really what the joker is. 398 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: That's fair. 399 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I thought I knew when the 400 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: season started, But I think it can be a running back, 401 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 3: and I think it can be a tight end. It's 402 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: somebody that can create or have created for him mismatches 403 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: in terms of the passing game. 404 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 4: Yes, that's all I know. 405 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 6: I know we're searching for the Joker. It's kind of 406 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 6: like the Lockness Monster. 407 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Because no matter what 408 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 5: that was last year, no matter what, you can't replicate 409 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 5: to Jimmy Graham, Sean Payton, So you gotta or Alvin Kamara, Yeah, 410 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 5: you gotta. You gotta figure new things out. 411 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: Scrolls right, Absolutely, he was like the Rocky Mountain high 412 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: John Denver. 413 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever actually uh seen gumb and 414 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 5: Dummer all the way through. 415 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: Oh well, we could change that. 416 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 4: You know, I grew up with you know, black parents. Yeah, 417 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: and I saw all the Friday. 418 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 5: I was just about to say it, but it's like 419 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 5: I went to college and I realized not everybody I 420 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 5: saw on Friday, like what is going on? Or like 421 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 5: you know boys club that that was my first time. 422 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh I was a kid back in the day. 423 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 5: I used to rewind that and go down. 424 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: Couple's quick text here five six six nine zero path 425 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: from Monument. What's going on with jaliel? He said, Julio 426 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: Julia mcglofflin. Yeah, Jalil McLoughlin. They did not tender him, 427 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: So I mean they like Juli McLoughlin. I imagine what's 428 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: going to happen is that they're going to see how 429 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: Theys shake out with other plays in free agency, and 430 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: then they'll come back to him. 431 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: Is that probably accurate. 432 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 7: They'll let him test, see what's out there, and you know, 433 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 7: and go from there. 434 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just not gonna be It's gonna be a 435 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: guy that they're like trying to bring back into the 436 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: fold early on. But if he doesn't end up finding 437 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: home somewhere else, then they come back to him. 438 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: Man and that's just crazy to me that he hasn't 439 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 5: really caught on even more because of the first time 440 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: two years ago when Cleveland played here in Denver, he 441 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 5: was really the one that was chopping us up. And 442 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 5: I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, this guy from 443 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 5: Youngstown is going to be somebody, and it's just never 444 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 5: really materialized. 445 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a healthy scratch for the first 446 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: what seven eight weeks of the season, like he could 447 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: he couldn't even see the field. Tyler but Day who 448 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: was like a specialty back. Yeah, I know, it's the 449 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: third name change. 450 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: It anyway, it is what it is. Do you think 451 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: ETN is really going to hit free agency? 452 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 5: Man? 453 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: What do you think? 454 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's highly likely. 455 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 7: Okay, so you think that, by the way, for Julia McLoughlin, 456 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 7: I would be prize if he does not wind up 457 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 7: in Baltimore. 458 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 4: I'll just leave that at that. 459 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: Okay, good to know. Where do you think Keith Walker 460 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: ends up? 461 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 4: Raiders won two punch with Jenny. 462 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 5: Raiders have Jenny and another thirteen fourteen million dollars back. 463 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 5: That would be very interesting. 464 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: We got Jenny and you got Kenneth Walker. What better? 465 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: What better? 466 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: One? 467 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: Two punch to put behind a rookie quarterback. 468 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 5: Well, you could put you could maybe put Jenny a 469 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 5: receiver moving around. 470 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: You can move he yeah, you can move anywhere around. 471 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 5: That's oh my god. Maybe you could actually have it. 472 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 5: They're on the field at the same time, you know, 473 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 5: K nine in the backfield, you know, Jenny jet sweeps 474 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 5: and then randomly, you know, just actually just goes out 475 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 5: there and plays receiver, don't. 476 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 7: I just believe they'll bring Mendoza along a little more slowly, 477 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 7: and they want to do that by having a quality 478 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 7: tight end which I've already got a strong run game, 479 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 7: and Walker and who already knows the system, and Jenny 480 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 7: gives him a nice one two punch. 481 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: Based on your reporting about the Broncos interested in David Montgomery, 482 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: it feels like they're not going to be swinging for 483 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: for the high end of this thing. They're looking for 484 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: a compliment to r J. They maxed, they maxed out 485 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: at a five. 486 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 7: They weren't going beyond that, and then the Texans came 487 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 7: over the top with that four to seven and a 488 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 7: you know, an offensive lineman that nobody respects. 489 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: So you guys are family, you know, just throwing it 490 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: out there. 491 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 7: He should have been meaning to me on Twitter one time. 492 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 7: Oh wow, I'm just kidding the bank for seats, I do. 493 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 7: I am petty speaking of guys. 494 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 5: When is okay? So they haven't released Gino Swift. 495 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 8: Right, All these releases will occur on Marshal eleventh. Well 496 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 8: post the posting what you only get two of those? 497 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 8: He's not doing the post un one with Gino. They'll 498 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 8: release him on March eleventh. Well him, I don't think 499 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 8: you know. It's much like Kyler. 500 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 7: Kyler got released today, but he's not actually getting released 501 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 7: until the eleventh. 502 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 2: So same thing with Gino. 503 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: All right, So, speaking of keeping receipts, Jimmy Singenberger, who 504 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: was a filling in for Mandy earlier today had Mark Cuban. 505 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: We had Mark Cuban a our station and yeah today 506 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: yeah kind of cool, like a big name and I'm 507 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: glad that in grant credit to Grant here is producing 508 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: the show. Had him ask more Cuban about tanking in 509 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: the EMBI. It's been a big topic. I wanted to 510 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: play one of the cuts from that because again, getting 511 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: More Cuban here on Kiowa is pretty cool deal. 512 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say, so a couple things. 513 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 9: One, nobody ever truly tanks the game because the players 514 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 9: on the court know that everybody in the NBA that 515 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 9: can give them a job sees every game and analyzes 516 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 9: the view of every game. So every player that steps 517 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 9: in that court has got to bust their pushies so. 518 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: That they play hard. 519 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 4: Right. 520 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 2: That's part one. 521 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 9: Part two is the reason teams might get rid of 522 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 9: better players or play their younger players to make them 523 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 9: better is because the goal of every team is to 524 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 9: win a championship, and so there's only so many ways 525 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 9: that you can build a championship team. You can be 526 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 9: like the MAVs and get lucky and get the number 527 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 9: one pick Cooper Flag, or you know, the Spurs and 528 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 9: get Wemby, or you know, you can try to make trades, 529 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 9: but it's so hard to build a team that I 530 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 9: think fans understand that if a team's not doing well, 531 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 9: like the Nuggets are killing it right, you know they're 532 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 9: doing great and you've got Jokic, but there's other teams 533 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 9: like the MAVs and oh there's Wizards that maybe aren't 534 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 9: doing as well and they're playing their younger players. Fans 535 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 9: just want to know that the team is building towards 536 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 9: a championship. They want to have hope, and they know 537 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 9: that by playing younger players you have a better chance 538 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 9: of getting a better draft pick. 539 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 4: Now that said, when you go to. 540 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: A Nuggets game or any NBA game. 541 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 9: You look around and you see tons of kids and 542 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 9: parents with their kids, and there's nothing better than a 543 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 9: parent looking at their child's face and seeing that child 544 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 9: filled with league clapping, standing, screaming, and it's the best 545 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 9: feeling in the world. And to me, it's more important 546 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 9: to enable as many families as possible to come to 547 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 9: a game. And when I ran the MAVs, it was like, look, 548 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 9: if I had to give up some money so that 549 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 9: instead of be making a little bit more, I always 550 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 9: had four thousand tickets for nineteen dollars or less. I 551 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 9: need toe ten twelve dollars tickets at least a thousand 552 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 9: of them for every game because I wanted to build 553 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 9: future MAVs fans. I'm making it so that they could 554 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 9: afford a game. 555 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 4: And I'm not the. 556 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 9: Only team that did it, the Pacers, the Nuggets a 557 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 9: certain extent. So if you make it affordable and give 558 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 9: fans hope, they're not going to worry about you not, 559 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 9: you know, putting the best lineup on there, because they 560 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 9: know that at some point this is the only way 561 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 9: to become a championship team. 562 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting sort of nuanced take there. 563 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: For Mark Cuban. 564 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: Of course, he's not an owner anymore in the NBA tank, 565 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: he's a big deal. But when you talk about the 566 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: nuance of a shell, there's a certain amount of we're 567 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: playing younger players with the intention of continuing to develop roster. 568 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: You're either a championship team or not. And that's kind 569 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: of his point. It's like you're going to know pretty 570 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: quickly in the season if you're going to beat that 571 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: team or not, and so if you know you're not 572 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: in the mix for that, you're going to come to 573 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: a point, maybe it's in February, maybe it's even earlier 574 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: where you say, you know what, I know what we're 575 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: not and we're not this yet, but we're not going 576 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: to get there if we don't work some of these 577 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: guys out and get them some time on the court. 578 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 5: I deal with this every year as an older player 579 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 5: in the NFL. If you're not. 580 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: Successful early on. 581 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 5: The question is okay, do we just throw the young 582 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 5: players in so they can get some reps and so 583 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 5: they can get some experience. And the biggest thing I 584 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 5: can say about that is it makes sense, you know, 585 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't blame them for that. They're the 586 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 5: tanking that happens is from the upstairs, from the GMS, 587 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 5: the coaches, is not from the players. Players are going 588 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 5: to play. If they're on the floor, they're going to play. 589 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 5: We're competitive by nature. So no matter what anyone says, 590 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: you know, you're not going to I've heard this question, 591 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 5: and I've gotten this question a bunch of times, even 592 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 5: when it comes to football, because obviously with football there's 593 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 5: no lot of me. You just were team plays. But 594 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 5: that's what teams will do because veterans will help you win. 595 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 5: So the idea is that they will just go take 596 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 5: out the vet and put a young guy in who's 597 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 5: going to make mistakes, who who's not going to be perfect. 598 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 5: But the idea is, okay, well we get to see 599 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 5: them play where they get to get the reps, and 600 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 5: if they make mistakes then we lose hot, no big deal. 601 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 5: It kind of works out in our favor, that's right. 602 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 5: So if it's not the players that can tank. It's 603 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 5: the GMS, it's everybody else that can choose to tank. 604 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: But he brought up a very important point here, which 605 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: is you tend to not make that big leap without 606 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: sort of drafting the right players at the right time, 607 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, getting in position to get Cooper Flag or 608 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: Victor women Yam at the top of the draft. It 609 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: transforms like what the Spurs are now, they wouldn't be 610 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: without getting that first overall pick last year or two 611 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: years ago wherever. 612 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: And getting Wimby. They are a contender right now. 613 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: They're a contender in part because of that, so that 614 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: it takes a little bit of luck. But they recognized 615 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: at one point or another that they were just not 616 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: going to be a championship team before that happened. 617 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 5: Well, if you think of it, I guess the idea. 618 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 5: It's hard to tank in the NBA because the commissioner 619 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 5: is choosing who's going to be the number one. Here 620 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 5: we go after year until you show me there's a draft, 621 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 5: a real draft lottery. No one's ever going to believe 622 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 5: that it's just pure luck that the Navs got the 623 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 5: number one overall pick after after trading. 624 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 7: Away Luca, they got to get Rid of that lottery. 625 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 7: Just just do it like the NFL does it like period, 626 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 7: Just do it. If teams want to tank, them tank, 627 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 7: fans don't have to go to games. Yeah, you know, 628 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 7: like if teams wanted to do like the Astros in baseball, 629 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 7: straight up, you know, they set a letter out to 630 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 7: their fans. Okay, we're gonna be really bad for about 631 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 7: three years here and it's gonna take off. 632 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 4: And it did, and it did. 633 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: As long as you're straight with the fans, they generally 634 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 7: they generally accept the plan. 635 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: But you hear the full interview with Jimmy Singingberg on 636 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: our website kawait Colorado dot com. 637 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 2: Good stuff with Mark Cuban. 638 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: Wow. By the way, before we get out, we got 639 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: to see you basketball come to six thirty tonight, so 640 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: you got to abbreviate the show thirty show. 641 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: Ben Rude Dolldorg the center. 642 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Pro Bowl Center for the Chicago Bears retires at 643 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: twenty seven years old. 644 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 4: Can't trusty Stanford kids. 645 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 5: That order, I said, those Stanford guys are so quick 646 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 5: to retire on you like, and. 647 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 7: I'm making jokes here and I shouldn't because Drew Dalmod' 648 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 7: dad played and he's seen his deterioration. So I'm making 649 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 7: jokes here that I shouldn't someone tell myself for that. 650 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 7: But yeah, the joke is the Stanford thing for real. 651 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 7: It's he's like those guys, will you know, they get 652 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 7: there and bounce. 653 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: You got a three year, forty two million dollars contract 654 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: this last year, the original signing bonus hitting any bounced. 655 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they pay that thing back. 656 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: They're only they only. 657 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 7: Can call back about four based on what they paid out. 658 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 7: They can only they can only get back about four. 659 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 5: Because it's the second payments about to go out in 660 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 5: like two weeks. 661 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: Wow. 662 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 5: Good for him, but also he heard all the time 663 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 5: U with the Colvin Johnson they they wanted that money back. 664 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 5: But then you see what Andrew luck when he retired, 665 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 5: they said keep it, You've done enough for us. 666 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, as he wheeled out like Stephen Hawking at that point. 667 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 5: In the preseason. I remember preseason. I don't know where, 668 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 5: I remember turning to somebody to be like he just 669 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 5: did he just retired. 670 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: Well, I was in a press box somewhere. I can't 671 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: remember where I was. 672 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 7: Was the press box somewhere those preseasons a Broncos related thing, 673 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 7: and everybody was just like, oh my god, like Andrew 674 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 7: lux is retired. I think it was the Rams. I 675 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 7: think we're at in l A that year. Yeah, because 676 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 7: because they were playing at the Road Bawl, it was 677 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 7: we were at the Yeah. I was at the press 678 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 7: of that and Patrick Smith is sitting there like is 679 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 7: this really? 680 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: Asking me? 681 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: Is this. 682 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 5: He was like walking off the field waving to everybody 683 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 5: like it was like its farewell. 684 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: I'm not going back to this. 685 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: I'm good. 686 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 5: Well for real, like those guys, you know, I think 687 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 5: those Stanford guys, those they're very highly educated and even 688 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 5: to get into Stanford, they don't really lower their academic standards, 689 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 5: even for athletes, and that's why they are really bad. 690 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 4: But the idea that oh is. 691 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 5: That you know, make as much money as you can 692 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 5: in a short amount of time, get out and enjoy 693 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 5: your family, get out and enjoy your life, because that's 694 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 5: your O line. You're just getting ran into every single play. 695 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 5: And I'm sure he got beat up this year. 696 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: Well that's what I did. 697 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 7: I just I skipped all that by never having played 698 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 7: in the league, and then I you know, got out 699 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 7: while I was Hell. 700 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 4: That's what that works too. 701 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot to cast those checks. I played 702 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: in the league for four seasons, but he got that second. Wow, 703 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: that's that's that's remarkable. But yeah, I guess ultimately good 704 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: for him. And because we haven't heard any other reason 705 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: why other than. 706 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 7: Just I'm I'll tell you it's the condition is Dad is, 707 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 7: and that's it resonates with him. 708 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 4: What's what's what the condition is? The data and not great, Okay,