1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: It is a stealery Thursday here on the mark Man Show. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: I can smell the hypo cycloids in the air. We're doing, 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: like I said, calls on the fifteens in the three 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: and four o'clock hours, So ringeting right now. Eight three 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: to three four one two w xdx. This is the 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: mark Mann Show. Anger is an energy, not least in 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: my case. 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: Uh. 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: This game in Chicago has clearcut talking points and a 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: lot of them. So if you want to chime in, 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: like I said that number eight three three four one 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: two wxdx, Chicago's running game and physicality could overwhelm the Steelers, 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: who I think have a soft defense. Both teams rely 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: on takeaways, probably too much, so you got the quarterback 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: situation with both teams. Caleb on the ascension for Chicago, 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Rogers probably playing hurt, and I bet Rudolph has to 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: go in the game at some point, and once the 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: game's decided one way or the other in the second half, 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: Rogers should definitely come out. You got Slay taking Pierre's 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: spot now that Slay's healthy. Slay absolutely sucks by any 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: metric he can be judged by, to say nothing of 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: the eye test, but hey, veteran respect and all that. 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, if Slay gets burned and the Steelers lose 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: because of it, that should be major heat on Mike Tomblin. 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: And you got the game's significance to both teams. Both 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: teams lead their division, but it ain't neither one of 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: them home free or close to it. The Steelers don't 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: run enough in the first place, and what if warrens 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: an't able to play? Maybe about Washington runs over the 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: whole Damn Bear's team like that viral catch and carry 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: against Cincinnati or maybe Chicago totally not physicals the Steelers, 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: which like I said before, could well happen because the 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Steelers are kind of soft. You don't like to hear that, 34 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: but the Steelers aren't what they pretend to be. That's 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: a soft defensive core outside to Ramsey and Dugger, maybe 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: Cam Heyward. So that's a good place to start for 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: calls on the fifteens eight three, three, four one two WXDX. 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: Are the Steelers soft or at least lacking physicality because 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: except for Darnell Washington at tight end, Ramsey and Dugger 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: at safety, the Steelers do not bust people up. 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: They don't Those three guys. That's it. That's the list. 42 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: That number one more time eight three three four one 43 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: two WXDX can't believe I forgot the damn trifectum. I 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: got the sponsored though, Danny's Peach and Hogies. That's all 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: the matters. Like the college football Playoff, we just want 46 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: the sponsors, we just want the brand names. 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 3: We just want the money. 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 49 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: Speaking of plugs, I got two viewing parties this weekend. 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: The River Hans On Saturday USL Final noon kickoff at 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: Shiloh Playton Pour. I'm out Washington. I will be doing 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: both extensive Playton and Poor. That's a hot spot, so 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: join me to watch soccer action at Shiloh Playton Poor 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: on Mount Washington. Like I said, noon kickoff, I'll be 55 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: there at ten am to watch Liverpool in Nottingham Forest. 56 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: If you get there and I'm watching that game and 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: the balls in play, shut the frig up, non negotiable. 58 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: And then Sunday I'm at Marino's American Eatery for the 59 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: Steeler game at one pm. That's a great spot too. 60 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: Dub Bears in that game, it's gonna tell a tale. 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: You're seven and four or six and five. You want 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: a second straight or you're treading molasses. You're in first 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: place by yourself, where you're tied with Baltimore, who are 64 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: surely gonna beat the New York Jets. Rogers said that 65 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: him playing Sunday is a safety thing, like he needs 66 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: a crossing guard or a condom. I'm looking forward to 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: the Browns in Vegas game that's right after Shador Sanders 68 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: makes his first start, an event of magnitude which hasn't 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: been seen since Kenny Pickett made his first start for 70 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: the Steelers. 71 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: Gendor is a fifth. 72 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: Round pick who whines instead of competing, a rich kid 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: that's never had to prepare or work hard, and the 74 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: white man hates him and wants to keep him down. 75 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: But mostly it's that not very good thing. Is this 76 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: show funny so far? 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: Today? 78 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: I feel like it's funny. 79 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: Have the Pirates almost signed any free agent yet besides 80 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: the guy who. 81 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: Stayed in Seattle. 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: It's so exciting when they almost signed guys that guy 83 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: Nayler with Seattle that stayed in Seattle. The Pirates made 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: the highest offer in club history to him. 85 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: He didn't take it, but what a monumental occasion. 86 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: They can almost sign Schwarber and almost sign Suarez and 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: then almost win seventy five games. It is a funny 88 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: show so far. I know funny and this show is that. 89 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: Oh and Rogers said he doesn't want to be a 90 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: villain in Chicago anymore. Yeah, okay, I'm not sure you 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: get to pick that ar You're twenty four and five 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: against Chicago. You want shelled? I saw this on YouTube. 93 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Somebody referred me you want shelled? I own you at 94 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: Bears fans after he scored a touchdown against him. 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 3: What by guns be bygunes? 96 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: Rogers actually said that yesterday Aaron Rodgers is my favorite Steeler, 97 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: But he also said, by way of Humble Bragg, when 98 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: I got to Green Bay, the Bears had the all 99 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: time series lead. When I left, the Packers did unquote, Yeah, 100 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: let's let by guns be by guns. Uh A three 101 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: three four one two WXDX. Let's get Jeff in real 102 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: quick from Aliquippa. Jeff jumped the gun. What do you want? 103 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: Jeff? What man? 104 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 3: What real quick? 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: You versus Mark Caboli in a hot all eating contest? 106 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: Who wins your mother because she has experienced at the 107 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: tube steak? Any other questions? Well give him all my regards. 108 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: Actually I'll see her before you do. Uh eight three 109 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: three four one two wxdx. And we got calls like that, 110 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them. I hope. I don't like 111 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: the term tube steak though. What I'm trying to say 112 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: those your mother's. 113 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: Easy. 114 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm choosing my words carefully. Then again, if you have 115 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: to pay, is it really that easy? One O five nine, 116 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: The X tomorrow and trophy wife owes money that I 117 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: can't even quote the big o'bowski righte, goodbye the. 118 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: X at one O five nine. 119 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: Hell was just say Clipper? Is he going to interview 120 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: my cat on his podcast? Probably the best thing about 121 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: the Bummy podcast that iHeartMedia does, my god, except the 122 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: Jenna Jamis morn. 123 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: It's funny. 124 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: iHeart told me years ago I can't have porn girls 125 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: on my show. Now they have a porn girl hosting 126 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: a podcast on iHeartMedia. 127 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: Ah yeah. 128 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: This gimmick newly introduced of calls in the fifteens. It's 129 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: worked well most of the week, but not so much 130 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: right now. No calls, that's okay. H eight three three 131 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: four one two wxdx if you want to jump in. 132 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Somebody told me when I was out the other night 133 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: that I don't talk enough Steelers well down to dial. 134 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: That's all they do, and if they benefit by it, 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: they're welcome to it. I'm doing the same show I've 136 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: always done, which is a lot of Steelers, been a 137 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: lot of Penguins too, because I'm a hockey guy and 138 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: like at four o'clock, I have one of the greatest 139 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: drummers ever, Carmen Apachee. And how could you not want 140 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: to talk to that guy? As I've always said, if 141 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: you don't want to listen, don't. In fact, there's never 142 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: been a better time to not listen, and in this 143 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: case not called uh. Here's a sound by Christopher mad 144 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Dog Russo ripping Cam Scattabo for getting physically involved on WTV. 145 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: What is schattabou with a broken chipola and an ankle? 146 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: What is he doing at Monday night raw throwing a 147 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: basically being pushed around and him doing pushing you know 148 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: it's choreographed. 149 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: What is he doing at this event? I mean, it's 150 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: just ridiculous. 151 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 5: The guy's gotta bea he got a broken leg, not 152 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 5: even sure if. 153 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: He's gonna be ready to play next year. In training camp? 154 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: What are you doing with the mister tough guy. Oh 155 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: come on stop please, I mean you got a bad 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: like that? How about if you were freaking Gander. 157 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 5: Or time coaches watching that with a running back loose? 158 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 5: Very important. Now, scattaboy didn't take a bump, he got pushed. 159 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 5: There was risk, it was minimal. But mad Dog is 160 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 5: totally right about the optics. Scattabo said, Oh, I'm just 161 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 5: having fun, whiney friggin gym teacher. I'm just having fun. 162 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 5: Forget fun, you meet head. You're in the NFL. Be 163 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 5: a professional, behave like a professional. Don't be a mark. 164 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: But he's a bro bro Bro that bro bro bro, 165 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: and today's athletes believe it's all about them as individuals 166 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: what they want twenty four to seven. Although I am 167 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: glad to get confirmation that Scatabo is indeed a gym teacher, 168 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: just like I thought, wouldn't have a job outside a 169 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: gym teacher if he couldn't play pro football. I wrote 170 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: a column about this for the Trib. I'm not sure 171 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: when it's gonna go up. I haven't even saent it yet, 172 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: but talking about the Scatabo situation, mad Dog's response and 173 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: of course what went on back in the day when 174 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I was at World Championship Wrestling with Dennis Rodman missing practice, 175 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Robin and Malone fighting during Game six of the ninety 176 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: eight NBA Final because we told him to to plug 177 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: the pay per view match that both were involved in. 178 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: That just fascinating stuff. 179 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: And again, if you want to see the whole recap, 180 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: keep your eyes on trib live dot com. If Genny 181 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: Malkin did an inn and I'm not sure this is 182 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: breaking news, but he was very definitive and very specific 183 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: because we've always thought, given the chance, he'd go play 184 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: in Florida because he lives there, his wife has lived 185 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: there for years. She's never lived in Pittsburgh. But Markan 186 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: did an interview where he said, I'm not gonna play 187 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: in Florida. I'm not gonna play in Colorado. I'm only 188 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: gonna play in Pittsburgh. I'll retire. He loves the team, 189 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: loves the city, loves the fans, blah blah blah, and 190 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: he'd like to play one or two more years. Okay, 191 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: the Penguins can't keep him, let alone for two more years. 192 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 3: They can't keep him at all. 193 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: I don't think they might, but that'd be bad at 194 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: some point you have to turn the friggin page, not 195 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: on Sid. Still Sid's still a top five player in 196 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: the National Hockey League, and Gino's off to a really 197 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: good start, but can he maintain it, let alone maintain 198 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: it next season and the season after that. 199 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I respect every of the guy's done. 200 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: MVP cons three cups, one of the best players in 201 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: the league during his time, But what are you gonna 202 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: make Ben Kindall be a third line center forever? You're 203 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: gonna block him from being the second center so Gino 204 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: can play in front of the fans he loves in 205 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the time he loves, with the team he loves. Sports 206 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: gotta be more cutthroat than that. But with the Penguins 207 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: it's not, which is why Gino might get his way, 208 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: But that would absolutely one hundred percent be to the 209 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: detriment of the Penguins. 210 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: I think, I know you. 211 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: Don't because you will have Gino jerseys, Gino Gino, Gino Gino, 212 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: and I make it sound like I don't like the guy. 213 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't know the guy. I have no relationship with him, 214 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: not good or bad. But at some point, like I said, 215 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: turn the page, Like Bob Seeger, who I look like 216 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm still mad. I kind of botched that tube steak 217 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: joke a while back. Okay, out, Next, we'll talk football 218 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: with Jerry Dulac. I'm Mark Madden one oh five to nine. 219 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 6: It's storty know, weekday mornings at six on. 220 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 3: HiT's Buddy Diver, and I just love good news. Okay, 221 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: so this is a great story I just heard about 222 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 3: on a ninety. 223 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 5: Degree d My solution is give me my cake and 224 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 5: eat me too. 225 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: The X at We got the Steelers at Chicago on Sunday, 226 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: very interesting game. Joining me now to discuss. He covers 227 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: the black and gold for the Steelers. It's Jerry Dulac. Jerry, 228 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: Chicago is a very physical team. Well, the Bears not 229 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: physical to Steelers. And can the Steelers contain that Bears 230 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: running game? 231 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think market afternoon. I think the biggest issue 232 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: is containing uh you know, their offense or formations because 233 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: we've seen the transformation of Caleb Williams with Ben Johnson 234 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: their new head coach. Uh, you know, he did all 235 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: that in Detroit with that offense. And look they're leading. 236 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: They're leading that division, which is a very strong division. 237 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: I will point up, Mark, this is the first time 238 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: this year the Bears have played a team with a 239 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: winning record. I'm not saying they beat up on a 240 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: bunch of Patsis, but they certainly haven't played the best 241 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: teams in the league. But there's no question they're much improved. 242 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: And it's their offense and that's going to be you know, 243 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: their defense has some leaks. Look to b look what 244 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: the Bengals did to them. Joe Flacco pass for four 245 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five yards. They put up forty two 246 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: points or forty seven, whatever the number was. So but 247 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: their offense as has been what has kind of fueled 248 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: their rise. And you know, Caleb Williams is all of 249 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: a sudden looking like the number one overall pick that 250 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: he was last year. 251 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: Well, I agree that Ben Johnson, the new head coach 252 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: coming over from Detroit, has a ton to do with 253 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: what not only Caleb, but everything good about that offense. 254 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: But getting back to my point about the Steelers' physicality, 255 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: I just don't see them as very physical outside of 256 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: the safeties in Darnell Washington. 257 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: Is that true or is it. 258 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: Just me now? Mark, I think their linebackers are physical. 259 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: I think, you know, obviously d J. Watt can be. 260 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: But I think Alex Highsmith is nick herbig, isn't the 261 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: biggest outside linebacker, but he plays, he plays physical, and 262 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: you know, Malik Harrison is a thumper in the middle. 263 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: So I think I look as good a move as 264 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: it has been. As they talk about solidifying not only 265 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: the back end but the defense with the move of 266 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: Ramsey and now having Kyle Dugger play as well as 267 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: he has, the strength of this football team is still 268 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: the linebacker unit. The depth that they have both on 269 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: the inside but especially on the outside, which to them 270 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: and probably a lot of teams, but especially to the Steelers, 271 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: outside linebacker is the most important position on the team. 272 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: And they have a lot of depth there. And if 273 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: they get Alex Heihsmith back, who's been their best pass rusher, 274 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: certainly their most productive in the games before he was injured, 275 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: then that only makes it, that only makes them better. 276 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: So you know, are they are they the you know 277 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: eighty five Bears? No, But there's no question Jalen Ramsey 278 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: not only brings it himself. He he kind of sets 279 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: he kind of sets an edgy attitude for that defense. 280 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: And and and I think I think we have we 281 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: have seen it this year. 282 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: What's your take on the Rogers situation. 283 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we know he's going to play, and I 284 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: think he should, but but how will that risk tinder him? 285 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: And how long is his leash in terms of potentially 286 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: coming out Well. 287 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: Mark, first of all, I'm not so sure he's going 288 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: to play now. I don't know that, but but I 289 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: don't share that positivity. I think that, Uh. I think 290 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: there's a lot of variables in play here, and the 291 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: most important one, beyond his functionality is Mike Tomlin likes 292 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: to say, which means his efficiency and productivity is his safety. 293 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: And so you know, if he can't brace himself when 294 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: he falls, imagine he's going to fall. That's how he 295 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: got hurt in the first place. That then the issue, 296 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: the injury becomes worse. So I'm not certain he's going 297 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: to play. A lot. Some of that, not all of it, 298 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: but a good portion of that has to do with 299 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: the comfortability they have in Mason Rudolph. And let's not 300 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: forget Mark. During the entire off season, Mason Rudolph was 301 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: their number one quarterback. There was no Aaron Rodgers, so 302 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: those guys, you know, it's not just what he did 303 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: two years ago, but there you know, he's very comfortable 304 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: with them and vice versa because of that entire offseason, 305 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: OTA's spring practices, those you know, unofficial sessions that those 306 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: guys have, and I think that certainly factors into it, 307 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: especially after what we saw the other day, Mark, you know, 308 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: coming in and doing what Mason Rudolph does, and so 309 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: that's a factor in as well. I don't know who's 310 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: going to start. I don't, but I think if Aaron 311 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: Rodgers plays, unless he has some issue, I don't think 312 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: it's a question of what kind of leah you'll be on. 313 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: They'll go with him as long as they feel they could, 314 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: you know, should go with them. And I don't think 315 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: that'll change if he starts. And again I'm not so 316 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: certain that's going to be the case. 317 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: Will you make a real good point about Rudolph in 318 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: the offseason he had before Rogers signed. 319 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: But I always wonder. 320 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: I think Rudolph's teammates probably trust him. 321 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: Does Tomlin trust him. 322 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: Well? Mark, you know, their offseason activities over the past 323 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: couple of years of kind of bypassing Mason despite what 324 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: they say about how comfortable they are with them, which 325 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 2: they are, would suggest that they're not fully committed in 326 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: him as their long term answer. I think that has 327 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: become apparent with the way he's kind of been treated 328 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: over the last three or four years. But I don't 329 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: think there's any doubt for a backup quarterback. If he 330 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: has to come in the game, you know that they 331 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: are more than comfortable with him Mark. I will tell 332 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: you last year, after the twenty twenty three season, when 333 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: he's saved their season with those last three games, they 334 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 2: wanted to bring him back, and they were in discussions 335 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: to bring him back, and he wanted to come back, 336 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: but then they signed Russell Wilson, and it was before 337 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 2: they traded Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph, who was in 338 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 2: discussions to sign to come back, saw the writing on 339 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: the wall and said, you know, he's going to be 340 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 2: number three again, and he left to go to Tennessee. 341 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: He didn't want to, but he had no other choice 342 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: because he was going to be pushed to the back 343 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: of the quarterback room again, you know, fairly or unfairly, 344 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: and it certainly looked unfairly. But they decided they want 345 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: to bet they wanted a quarterback like Russell Wilson, and 346 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: the same thing, of course, happened this year. You know, 347 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: they signed Mason think figure, and he's going to be 348 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: the backup, but he it was number one, but they 349 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: wanted Aaron Rodgers. And so that's kind of the way 350 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: Mason's been treated. He knows it, he obviously accepts it. 351 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he likes it, but yeah, he's never going 352 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: to be given that chance to be number one. 353 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: With that question, especially with them very likely to take 354 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round of the upcoming draft. 355 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: We're talking to Jerry Doulac, brought to us by Bud White. 356 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: Easy to drink in, easy to enjoy, Jerry. Both teams 357 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: rely really heavily on takeaways. So maybe the question in 358 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: this game is which team and quarterback can protect the 359 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: ball better because those takeaways they're a slippery slope. 360 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: You can't count on them. 361 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: That's right, Mark, you can't game plan. Let's go, We're 362 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: going to go out and take the ball away four times. 363 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: They just happened. They're kind of like sacks in a way, 364 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: but even more difficult. But yeah, five takeaways against New 365 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: England won that game last night. Of Patriots have lost 366 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: six takeaways against the Colts. They converted four of those 367 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: into twenty four points and then the two defensive touchdowns 368 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: last week. All those games that they won, and there 369 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: was a stretch of four out of five games where 370 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 2: they didn't have a takeaway and they lost several of 371 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: those games. So it's a defense that's reliant maybe too much. Look, 372 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: all defenses rely on takeaways. The good ones are able 373 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: to do it, coincidence or not. And the Steelers do 374 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: a good job of taking the ball away. But Mike, 375 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: you can't just rely on them. You have to be 376 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: able to line up without a takeaway and be able 377 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: to control a team or shut the team down or 378 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: whatever the case. Maybe, And so yeah, that's t J. 379 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: Watt said as much a couple of weeks ago, that 380 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: they're too reliant on takeaways and they have to go 381 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: out shut down the run. And they've done a pretty 382 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: good job against the past the last two games for 383 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: the most part. 384 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: Jerry, I don't often get outraged about lineup decisions because 385 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: they're usually borderline and mostly I don't care. But how 386 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: could Tomlin put Slay back in for Pierre? 387 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: With Slay now healthy? 388 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: Slay's been terrible by any metric imaginable and Pierre's played 389 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: pretty well. 390 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right about that. Mark. The last two games, 391 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: James Pierre's played very well. I think Mike Tomlin, you know, publicly, 392 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: isn't going wouldn't treat it any differently. Of course, he's 393 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: going to come out say his veteran who was the starter. 394 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't want to say he launched his 395 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: job because of injury. So yes, Darius Slay, he said 396 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: if he's cleared, he will play from Mark. That doesn't 397 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: mean he'll get the majority of the stats. It doesn't 398 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: mean he'll finish in that role. I think you'll see 399 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: James Pierre. If I'm a betting man, which I'm not, 400 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 2: I'd be willing to bet James Pierre will probably end 401 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: up playing more spot snaps than Darius Slay. I just 402 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: think Mike Tomlin had to say that. I don't think 403 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: that's I mean, he may start the game, but I 404 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: don't think that's in their plan, you know, to to 405 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: just keep it that way. I think you'll see forty 406 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: two out there more than you'll see twenty three. 407 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: I certainly hope you're right about that. Who's the main 408 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: catalyst of that Steelers defense? 409 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: Right now? 410 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: You kind of implied it was Ramsey when you spoke 411 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: a little bit ago. 412 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: Is that how you feel? 413 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: Well, I think emotionally, Mark, And look, we know the 414 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: way he plays. I mean we can we can sock 415 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: soap it and say he plays with him aggress of attitude, 416 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: and we know it goes beyond that. You know, he's 417 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: a guy who's one play away from a fifteen yard penalty. 418 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: But I do think he sets that emotional edge, that 419 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: attitude in that defense. But I still think what they've 420 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: done with our linebacker crew, you know, using three inside 421 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: linebackers at a time or three outside linebackers at the 422 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: time has presented problems for the other team. It gives 423 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: them a different look that they're trying to figure out, Okay, 424 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: who's the Sam linebacker, who's the Will wenebacker, who's the 425 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: three technique, who's rushing who isn't? And so to me, 426 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 2: that has been the difference in the defense. Yes, Jalen 427 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: Ramsey at safety, I mean Mark, you could see even 428 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: I mean the physical plays he makes, whether separating the 429 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: guys from the ball or hitting them after the incompletion 430 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: as fairly as he can. You know, those receivers, they 431 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: know that he's there and he's going to hit him, 432 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: And yeah, I just think that's a big factor. But 433 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: I would not underestimate the contribution or what they're able 434 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: to do with this linebacker rotation. 435 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Gerry, Uh, Why has DK Metcalf been so disappointing? 436 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: Like I see people say. 437 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: They should have kept George Pickens after the great game 438 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: he had for Dallas. I disagree with that, but Metcalf's 439 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: been so underwhelming it makes me wonder. 440 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark, you know, look the reason they brought in 441 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: DK Metcalf And yes, would have looked nice with George 442 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: Pickens and him together, of course it would have. But 443 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: they brought in DK Metcalf because they knew they weren't 444 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: going to keep George Pickens. They didn't want that headache anymore, 445 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: you know, eventually, if it hasn't already reared its head 446 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: in Dallas and look saying no, he's an uber talented guy. 447 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: They saw that, we're seeing it now, but that wasn't 448 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 2: They just didn't want him around in the locker room anymore. 449 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: And so you bring in metcalfs, you give him a 450 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: monster deal, which I'm still surprised that thirty million, you know, 451 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: average annually. I don't you know, he's not the game 452 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: breaking receiver that George Pickens is. He's not the big 453 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: play receiver George Pickens is. But I thought we've seen 454 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: flashes of it, but I thought we would see more 455 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: from him. But I will tell you, Mark, I think 456 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: it's a byproduct of the other teams not respecting what 457 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 2: they have in terms of the other wide receivers. And 458 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: so they figured, you know what, we know Aaron Rodgers 459 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: likes DK Metcalf. Well, we're gonna bracket him. We're gonna 460 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: double him. We're gonna do whatever we can to take 461 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: him away from Aaron Rodgers. And so you want to 462 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: throw it to the other guys, go ahead, but we're 463 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: not gonna let Dk Metcalf beat us. And I think 464 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: that's what you're seeing. 465 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: Well, Matt Williamson made a good point the other day 466 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: on the program Jerry, where he said DK Metcalf may 467 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: be the Steelers number one receiver, but he's not a 468 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: true number one receiver in the mold of like a 469 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: Jefferson or a Lamb. 470 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: Well you could say that, Mark, I would I don't 471 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: want to say I disagree, because I think he can 472 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: you know, you could sit there and compare him to 473 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: other guys. Yeah, he's not justin Jefferson. He's not your 474 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: Mark Chase, that's for sure. But he is still a 475 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: big time receiver. But I still don't think he's the 476 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: receiver that deserves five years, one hundred and fifty million. 477 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: I think he's really good, but I don't know that 478 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: he's the game changing guy that some of those other 479 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: guys are. But whether you want to affix the term 480 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: number one or not, okay, that's you know, that's debatable. 481 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: But I do think he's a quality receiver capable of 482 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: being that. But he's not the most dangerous receiver in 483 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: the league. There we have seen flashes where he could 484 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: be them. 485 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Why has the tight end room been so disappointing besides 486 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: Washington and the other two, I mean, sometimes smooth, almost 487 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: never gone. 488 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: In well Mark, It's not so disappointing by their performance. 489 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: It's disappointing us. Some more surprising than disappointing the lack 490 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: of involvement of Pat Fryarmouth especially and John new Smith, 491 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: the guy who got eighty six balls last year. They 492 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: brought him in. You know, they made a trade for 493 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 2: me as a pretty healthy contract, and he's played more 494 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: snaps of Pat Fryarmuth and almost as many as darn 495 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 2: Now Washington. And you talk about a guy who's had 496 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: little contribution for someone you thought would make more of 497 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: a contribution. Man, it's John new Smith. And I just 498 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: cannot get over the lack of targets and activity for 499 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: Pat Fryarmuth. You know, we know he's dependable. See he 500 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: can get open, he can catch the ball. He's had 501 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: productive years, three years of sixty plus catches, and not 502 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: involving him more in the offense is more surprising, almost 503 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: almost shocking to me, Mark, than anything else I see 504 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: on that offense. 505 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 3: Finally, Jerry, this feels like a big game, doesn't it. 506 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's non division, non but just to get 507 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: a second win in a row, build momentum and hold 508 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: off Baltimore. I've been saying that the minute Baltimore ties them, 509 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: I believe Baltimore is gonna pass them. 510 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: So they play the Jets. So you do the math, Mark. 511 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: You look the Steelers next three games, Bears, Bills, and Ravens. 512 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: You look at the Ravens next three games, they're you know, 513 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: pretty soft, and they got to play the Steelers, of course, 514 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 2: and and they're gonna They're gonna be sitting right there. 515 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: If the Steelers go through this three game stretch two 516 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 2: and one, they're pretty good. So if they lose this 517 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: game to me, if they win the next two, uh, 518 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: then you know that'll that'll make up for it. But 519 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: there are a lot of reasons why I thought that 520 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: Bengals game was really significant. Mark Because one, you don't 521 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: want to lose to a division opponent, opponent especially one 522 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: that could be the cellar dweller in the division. You 523 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: don't want to be swept by them. You don't want 524 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: to have four losses in your past five games. And 525 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: if they lose, they would have already been tied by 526 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: the Ravens, who have one four in a row. So 527 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: I really thought the Bengals victory was significant, significant on 528 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: many levels, maybe more so than this one, depending on 529 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: what happens the two games after that. But they don't 530 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: want to you know, they don't want to continue this. Yeah, 531 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: getting one back to back is nice, especially on the 532 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: road against a team with a really good record, but 533 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: I actually think last week was more important for them. 534 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: At the moment, this game really seems up for grabs, 535 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: doesn't it. I mean, like a total cross up. 536 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark, I could see it either way, and I 537 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 2: kind of vacillated that way all week. You know, I 538 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: thought the Bears, you know, with their offense. Then I looked, 539 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: you know that the Bears have not played a team 540 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: with a winning record yet this year. You know, they 541 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 2: didn't beat up on a bunch of marshmallows, but they 542 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: certainly haven't taken on the best teams in the league. 543 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: And you know, I look at the way the defense 544 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: has played lately, and so you know, and then I 545 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: start leaning towards the Steelers. So yeah, I'm with you. 546 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: I could see it going either way. 547 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: Jerry, great stuff, enjoy the game. We'll talk next week. 548 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: You got it, Mark, Always good being with you. 549 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: That's Jerry Douli broughtless by bud Light. Easy to drink, 550 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: easy to enjoy. Up next, we got a bunch of 551 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: talk about the Steelers. We got Kurt Warner talking about 552 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: how that wrist injury could affect Aaron Rodgers in a 553 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: way that hasn't yet been brought up. And at four o'clock, 554 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: legendary gent drummer Carmen Apachi. I think that's how to pronounce. 555 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: We'll find out from him because I've heard two different pronunciations. 556 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: That might be the biggest question I asked him. Now 557 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: playing with Jeff Beck, that's cool. Rod Stewart too. 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