WEBVTT - Chuck Klein - BOOK - Circa 1967

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<v Speaker 1>Well, since yesterday when I was first alerted by my

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<v Speaker 1>dear friend Peter Bronson, yes, the author and publisher Peter Bronson,

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<v Speaker 1>former Inquirer editorial columnist, Chuck Klein has joined the program here.

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<v Speaker 1>He brings extensive real-world law enforcement background to his fiction,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a book we're going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>here coming up. Before turning to writing, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>certified police officer here in Ohio, Woodlawn Terrace Park, Amberley Village.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still a resident of Ohio, local author we call him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a deputy sheriff in Switzerland County, Indiana as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Worked as a licensed private investigator, police photography instructor, firearms instructor,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's also a car guy. I got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things that align with your interests. Chuck Klein, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the morning show. Here to talk about your new book,

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<v Speaker 1>an extension from the prior book, circa 1957. Fast forward

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<v Speaker 1>10 years, circa 1967. Good to have you on, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>It's... It's hardly 8 o'clock in the morning. Is anybody

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<v Speaker 2>awake at this hour? I get up at 2.30, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I've come off a three-day drunk later than this. Are

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<v Speaker 2>we on the air?

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<v Speaker 1>We are on the air. Man, I've got to get

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<v Speaker 1>up at 2.30, 5 a.m. to 9 a.m., five days

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<v Speaker 1>a week, Chuck. 8 o'clock is nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay. Well, that's great. You're talking about police officers.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a cop, and I've written for police magazines,

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<v Speaker 2>written police books and stuff. Let's get one thing straight

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<v Speaker 2>about cops, since— You know, they're really in the news.

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<v Speaker 2>American police officers are not the enemy. Amen. Nor are

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<v Speaker 2>they hand holders, social workers, jackbooted thugs or heroes.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen.

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<v Speaker 2>However, yeah, however, these... However, evildoers may deem them the enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>They may become hand holders when comfort is needed or

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<v Speaker 2>social workers when helping the indigent and even jackbooted thugs

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<v Speaker 2>when breaking down doors to protect the protectees from evildoers.

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<v Speaker 2>And when heroic acts are required, well, we've seen example

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<v Speaker 2>after example of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Chuck, I salute you for your service to the

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<v Speaker 1>community as a police officer and a firefighter as well.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister retired from the Cincinnati Police Department about five

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<v Speaker 1>or so years ago as a lieutenant, served for more

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<v Speaker 1>than 25 years in the Cincinnati Police Department, and I

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<v Speaker 1>lived her life parallel to her. I heard all the stories,

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<v Speaker 1>the sacrifice, the psychological trauma, the filth that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with on a day-in and day-out basis. And

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<v Speaker 1>it can't be understated the difficulty that job presents. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I always like to give strong recognition to

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officers and, of course, to you too, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>for being one. But you bring all of that background,

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<v Speaker 1>your private investigation, your law enforcement experience, to the books

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<v Speaker 1>that you write. And this is, do you call it

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<v Speaker 1>a sequel circa 1967? Because you introduced the protagonist, Paul Auer,

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<v Speaker 1>in the prior book circa 1957. So let's talk about this, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, the latest book, circa 1967, It's got car

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<v Speaker 2>chases and gun battles. Uh-oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm allowed to say gun on the air now that

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats are in control?

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<v Speaker 1>You are talking to a proud firearm owner and Second

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment fan and believer. Yes, you are talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>right audience here. Nobody has any problems with firearms ownership. And,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I encourage people to go out and buy

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<v Speaker 1>one if they don't own one yet and start taking

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<v Speaker 1>classes because you know it. You're a firearms instructor. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to learn how to competently operate that firearm so

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<v Speaker 1>you can use it to your advantage if it ever

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<v Speaker 1>becomes necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been doing that. I've carried a gun or

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<v Speaker 2>had one close at hand all of my adult life,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly well before they had permits and constitutional carry

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. But, hey, you know... When you're a private eye,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to carry a gun, whether the law out

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<v Speaker 2>there or not, because there's bad guys out there that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll take you out for that. So I got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these stories in this book circa 1967. It's

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<v Speaker 2>subtitled Unyielding Mindset Street Cop Turns PI Collides with Anarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Anarchy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's got a main theme running through here

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<v Speaker 2>about an anti-American group that– called JEWS, J-E-W-S, for Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>Esoteric Watchdog Society that infiltrates and goes after the TRO

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<v Speaker 2>for the rightful owners, which is a group out to

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<v Speaker 2>take over the United States. So that's part of the

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<v Speaker 2>theme of this thing. And it involves a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>including a lot of it is historically, technically correct, and autobiographical.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the first book in this series circa 1957, um,

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<v Speaker 2>was fully autobiographical. I mean, it was my story, and

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't make up better stuff than what really happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and that book became a cult, and then I came

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<v Speaker 2>up with this Circa 67 sequel, and now I'm working

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<v Speaker 2>on Circa 2000, which would be a complete trilogy of

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<v Speaker 2>this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be great. Explain to my listening audience the

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<v Speaker 1>predicate for the 1957 year, your first book, Circa 1957,

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<v Speaker 1>which presumably acts as a springboard to this new book

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about today, Circa 1967, but why 57?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a coming-of-age book set during that period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>It covers the three years, 54 years, 56, 7, 8, 9,

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<v Speaker 2>and 60 of a boy in Cincinnati coming of age.

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<v Speaker 2>All the scenes are set in Cincinnati, and the stories

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<v Speaker 2>are all real stories about, you know— coming of age

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<v Speaker 2>stuff yeah a lot of juvenile sex and juvenile delinquency um.

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<v Speaker 1>The beatnik era i'm sorry what i said the beatnik

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<v Speaker 1>era that was the preceded the hippie era i'm always

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<v Speaker 1>fascinated by that change in cultural shift beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>late 50s and all the way through the late 60s

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<v Speaker 1>here in america i'm glad you chose the time frame

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<v Speaker 1>i guess is really where i'm going with it chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, the time frame between the two books runs

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<v Speaker 2>all the way through 2000. Circa 67 runs from 1960

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<v Speaker 2>to 2000, and then circa 2000 will run on further

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<v Speaker 2>than that. I haven't finished that yet. Um, this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is all available. Uh, and all, all, if anyone know

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<v Speaker 2>about me is on my website, chuckkline.com. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Checking it out right now, Chuck, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>info there and what a background you've got. It's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>these stories that, you know, you lived in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose that it, you know, as an independent, as

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<v Speaker 1>a local author here, and again, chili dog press published

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<v Speaker 1>it and good morning to, uh, Peter Bronson, I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>is listening right now. Um, Authors, I guess, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>read it and heard it before from authors and also

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<v Speaker 1>read it in articles about authors. You get your inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>from your own life. People are typically writing about themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's only loosely related. But with your background,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a lot of great stories that you incorporate

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<v Speaker 1>into this fiction work. It's historical fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. And Pete Bronson, great guy. You talk about him.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was editor of the Inquirer, I was writing

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<v Speaker 2>regular columns for him. I forget what the column was called,

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<v Speaker 2>but a regular editorial column. So that really gave me

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<v Speaker 2>a boost. And he and I became friends since then,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're still in touch. Yeah, he's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>No question about it. All right, so who is this

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<v Speaker 1>book going to appeal to? People who obviously like cars, guns,

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<v Speaker 1>and intrigue? Because I'm curious about the anarchy element here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's a police thriller type. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>police stuff in there, and I don't want to give

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<v Speaker 2>it away. You've got to read the book. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>a takeover, a possible takeover. that hints at, uh, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>nine 11, um, which doesn't come until right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the next volume.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Um, I heard you said you have one or

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<v Speaker 2>two guns. What's your favorite gun?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I suppose it depends on which day, but overall,

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<v Speaker 1>if I had to choose in terms of handguns, the

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<v Speaker 1>1911 style or the modern 9mm 2011 style. I just

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<v Speaker 1>love 1911 styles, but in terms of long guns, clearly

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<v Speaker 1>AR platform is superior, easy to use, easy to operate,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can give it to a child and they

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<v Speaker 1>can hit what they're aiming at. I know that boils

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<v Speaker 1>it down a little overly simplistic, but Yeah, those two platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>but I own a multitude of different calibers and types

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<v Speaker 1>of guns, including a. 45- 70 lever action, which is great

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<v Speaker 1>to hand over to someone who's not used to shooting

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<v Speaker 1>rifles on the range. Here, try this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got each of those things. I love the 1911.

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<v Speaker 2>My son now has a 1911A1 that my father bought

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<v Speaker 2>brand new in 1934. Oh, no kidding. And it's just beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>So we still got that in the family. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>For handguns, I'm partial to the Glock 19 and. 45 caliber.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a. 45 guy. The 19, I've never been a

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<v Speaker 2>19 guy because they're too difficult to reload. And they

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<v Speaker 2>just weren't the big one. I started shooting. 45 was it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I stuck with that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just it's a, it's a crisp trigger on a 45,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're right there. You're on top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just, again, it's a great weapon. Uh, but again,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got SIGs and, you know, uh, I've got, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and Wesson, you know, 44 revolver, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>J frame hammerless. So you never have to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>it jamming or malfunctioning. I mean, it's just, A whole

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<v Speaker 1>variety of them. Just collected them over the years. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a guy who sells guns like, ah, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to sell this back to the store and buy a

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<v Speaker 1>new one. No, I just keep it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I wish I could have done that with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my guns. I could never afford to

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<v Speaker 2>keep them all at the same time. I'm really partial

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<v Speaker 2>to double-barrel shotguns. The old ones, I've only got two left.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a Fox Sterling Werther made in 1948, a

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<v Speaker 2>20-gauge double 26-inch barrels. I made the Woodford. That was

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<v Speaker 2>my hunting gun. But a lot of my handguns, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I got them for free because when I was writing articles,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was the editor for PI Magazine, I could

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<v Speaker 2>get guns for free. They sent me guns to write about,

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't want the guns back. Well, everybody was

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<v Speaker 2>Smith &amp; Wesson. Smith &amp; Wesson always wanted their gun back,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. The other ones didn't want the

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<v Speaker 2>guns back because it would be a used gun, and

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<v Speaker 2>gun makers, you can't sell used guns. So I got

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<v Speaker 2>to keep some pretty cool stuff. I, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>got a, I got a Dan Wesson, um, nice three

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<v Speaker 2>57 revolver with, with all three barrels. Um, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Wesson fire superior firearm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And, um, I'm a big shotgun fan as well. I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I belong to a Milford gun club. At least he

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<v Speaker 1>used to shoot skeet and trap. And, uh, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of over and unders as well. I just say,

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<v Speaker 1>keep them a mixed bag of variety. Always got something there. And,

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<v Speaker 1>Learned a valuable lesson a long time ago. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, people get a run on ammo, and

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<v Speaker 1>there won't be any ammo available or it'll be really,

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<v Speaker 1>really expensive. So I learned a long time ago, Chuck Klein,

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<v Speaker 1>buy it when it's on sale, and then you'll have

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<v Speaker 1>it because you're going to use it on the range.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll have it available when times get tough or when

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<v Speaker 1>supplies get low, and it happens from time to time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like another surge in gun ownership.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yes. The ammo could be the currency when

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<v Speaker 2>things go south and dollars don't mean anything anymore. The

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<v Speaker 2>ammo is the only thing that you can actually identify.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody with gold coins, how do you know it's gold?

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck, what good is it? If you're talking post-apocalyptic, post-fiat

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<v Speaker 1>currency world, What the hell are you going to do

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<v Speaker 1>with a nugget of gold? You can't eat it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, even a gold coin that could be

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<v Speaker 2>worth $ 2, 000 where you can't walk into any place and

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<v Speaker 2>buy a loaf of bread with a $ 2, 000 gold coin.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how you get changed. But if the trading

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<v Speaker 2>medium is ammunition. Well, okay, you give me 1038 special

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<v Speaker 2>loads and I'll give you a loaf of bread. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you've got something you can barter with. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I always say it's food, it's ammo, and maybe liquor, vodka, post-apocalyptic,

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<v Speaker 1>laying a big supply. Chuck, it has been a fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>time talking with you. I did expect that we'd get

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<v Speaker 1>off on a tangent or two away from your book,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what Peter Bronson told me yesterday, circa 1967. Unyielding

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<v Speaker 1>Mindset Street Cop Turned PI Collides with Anarchy. Get a

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<v Speaker 1>copy of it at 55KRC. com. You can get it there.