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Speaker 1: Human from the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep

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Speaker 1: woods of the North upland prairies filled with pheasants, to

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Speaker 1: the whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning

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Speaker 1: Fan Outdoors, your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics

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Speaker 1: and conversations. You can also send us a question or

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Speaker 1: opinion by emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's

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Speaker 1: your host, the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrahm.

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Speaker 2: Fifty seconds after the hour of six a m. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Fan Outdoors, faithful. Yes, good morning to you. We were

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Speaker 2: just taking a vote right here at KFE and Studios

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Speaker 2: and we have the three of us decided it's time

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Speaker 2: for spring.

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Speaker 3: After the drive in, it has been decreed. It is

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Speaker 3: now time for spring.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think we're gonna get anywhere, and that's

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Speaker 2: I guess it's okay.

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Speaker 3: My drive wasn't too bad.

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Speaker 4: It's surprisingly you're right because it was ten degrees and

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Speaker 4: there was a light snow overnight. But the thank you

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Speaker 4: to all the salt truck.

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Speaker 3: Drivers out there. Everything's pretty clean right now and melted.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, I wish they could put salt on the roads

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Speaker 2: that didn't end up on your vehicle.

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Speaker 3: White, everything is white.

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Speaker 4: You are so hung up on your the cleanliness of

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Speaker 4: your truck site.

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Speaker 3: Well that I am. I pulled it. I actually pulled

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Speaker 3: it in the park. Like, how is his truck washed already?

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Speaker 3: It's like you got a car washed before you even

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Speaker 3: can him to the studio. Oh yeah, there's one right

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Speaker 3: down the street. Your truck looked very good. Canty, Well,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's also white, but white gets into everything on

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Speaker 2: the inside.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, anyway, thank you for putting south of that.

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Speaker 3: I do agree. I agree a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're going to do things a little bit backwards

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Speaker 2: today because right out of the gate we are going

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Speaker 2: to talk with a man who I thought.

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Speaker 4: You were going to say, you're good. Are you going

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Speaker 4: to do the whole show backwards? Well we can, sorry

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Speaker 4: train of thought.

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Speaker 2: I'll just get up turned bike off. Believe well, well

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Speaker 2: tell me last segment. We're going to take you up

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Speaker 2: where I was earlier this week, and that is up

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Speaker 2: at cabin can Country. And Brett was just saying he

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Speaker 2: would take a lot of cab and casts.

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Speaker 3: I I it is official. I would take cabin casts

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Speaker 3: to get spring back, which is a lot for me, Yes,

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Speaker 3: it is, Yes, it is.

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Speaker 2: But we are going to visit with a man, a

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Speaker 2: good friend of mine, two up in sock Center. And

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Speaker 2: I know that the weather. We are a lot of

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Speaker 2: a lot of uh weather conversation on the weather weather

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Speaker 2: apps that I have on my phone yesterday about sock

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Speaker 2: Center in that area as far as being careful driving

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Speaker 2: in that But Danny Fletcher joins us right now a

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Speaker 2: Fletcher's Bait and Tackle, Jenny howse fish and my friend.

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Speaker 5: I would call it in the category of being soso.

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Speaker 5: It's not great. But people got their their their their

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Speaker 5: big houses out for the most part, the ones that

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Speaker 5: that that fish that way, and and uh there's sulfa

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Speaker 5: shiners overnight and they're catching some walleyes, and they're catch

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Speaker 5: some crappies and there's a couple on fish bites on

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Speaker 5: a couple of lakes. So it's okay. I wouldn't call

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Speaker 5: it great. But if you're in the fish house, it's

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Speaker 3: No, you're right there, my friend, soap soaking shiners. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna have to explain that to me. Wow, my goodness,

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Speaker 3: gracious you know what that means, of course, soaking shiny

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Speaker 3: What do you what do you do? What am I

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Speaker 5: You just put a on your hook and put a

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Speaker 5: foot off the bottom for walleye, and we call that

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Speaker 5: soaking the shiner. Oh, fishing with fishing with a shiner?

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Speaker 5: Mintal just another term.

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Speaker 3: I thought you had to do something in your long time.

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Speaker 3: It's like you're doing something in you refrigerator just overnight

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Speaker 3: talking Minnesotan. Oh good, soaking a shiner? Okay, Well, I'll

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Speaker 2: No, you're okay anyway, Jenny. What about the lakes around

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Speaker 2: If people are coming up in they're looking for looking

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Speaker 2: the bite is pretty good?

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Speaker 5: Lake Osakis has been pretty fair. Uh, it's it's the

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Speaker 5: that's when they bite the best. Twenty twenty one feet

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Speaker 5: of water. If you got some shrimp, by all means,

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Speaker 5: take them with because that's kind of the bait of choice.

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Speaker 5: They will eat heat other baits, but that one is

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Speaker 5: the best. Also, Maple Lake about ten miles now, if

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Speaker 5: the bait shop is pretty good, Smith Lake up towards

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Speaker 5: Osakis is pretty good. And then I've had a bunch

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Speaker 5: of customers going up to Lake Victoria, oh yeah, and

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Speaker 5: So if you know the right lake, you know, we've

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Speaker 3: Well, that's decent. What about what about Reno? Is that?

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Speaker 3: Is that still really a good bite going on?

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Speaker 5: Reno has slowed downs a lot, especially the pan fish,

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Speaker 5: well even the walleys. Everybody's getting their limits and walleyes

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Speaker 5: over there earlier, but that's not the case now. I've

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Speaker 5: had a couple of people this week I've talked to

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Speaker 5: that have gone over there and caught five six walleys

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Speaker 5: walleye bite over there, but most people are coming off

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Speaker 5: It's it's it's not bucket folds by no means, but

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Speaker 5: they're getting fish over there. And the guys who are

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Speaker 5: fishing crappies in real shallow water, they get away from

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Speaker 5: the crowds and find and find a mess of crappies

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Speaker 5: out in that eight ten twelve feet of water. They're

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Speaker 5: getting a bunch of croppies. And those are big, big

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Speaker 2: What about you had the weather come through yesterday? Did

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Speaker 2: just blowing around? It didn't fill it up or any

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Speaker 5: Number One, We didn't get much snow. I don't think

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Speaker 5: we had over maybe an inch of snow here, and

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Speaker 5: the wind blew about and still blowing this morning. I

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Speaker 5: because there always bowls in here the way we're situated.

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Speaker 5: But with the wind being as bad as it is,

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's going to be hardly any snow

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Speaker 5: one of them big fishouses out there, you always get

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Speaker 5: of your fish else But other than that, I'm pretty

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Speaker 5: sure they're going to be able to drive wherever they

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Speaker 3: What about the ice thickness on the area Lake Stenny?

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Speaker 5: The last two days now we're hearing mostly fifteen to

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Speaker 2: As far as people coming in to buy bait, what

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Speaker 2: is the bait of Troy? So what's what's people mostly purchasing.

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Speaker 5: If they're fishing for walleys, it's primarily shiners. H And

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Speaker 5: we saw a lot of fat There's a lot of

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Speaker 5: guys that are still jigging with fat heads. And they

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Speaker 5: a fat head on a spoon and then on their

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Speaker 5: dead stick. They sook a shiner on the other hole.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of times these walleys will come in

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Speaker 5: a bunch of Brass's and kind of a weird deal

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Speaker 5: happened this year up in Lake of the Woods, in

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Speaker 5: the Rainy River. They didn't get hardly any of their

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Speaker 5: Emeralds Shiner. I've got a bunch of people buying a

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Speaker 5: bunch of shiners and going up there and using using

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Speaker 5: these using these Brassi, which resembles resembles Emerald Chiner. The

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Speaker 5: exception is the Brassy's live really good, so they're they're

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Speaker 5: doing really good. So we're selling a lot of shiners,

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Speaker 5: and I realized there's a shiner shortage going on, and

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Speaker 5: we're trapping as many as we can and supplying as

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Speaker 5: to get as many people as we can to have

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Speaker 5: their bit of choice.

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Speaker 2: With the Emerald Shiners. They're run being minimal probably at best.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are going to be

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Speaker 3: Denny.

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Speaker 5: It's really something we are. We are so busy and

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Speaker 5: we're this you know, we're a long ways away from up, Yes,

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Speaker 5: you are. We are so busy that it's it's incredible.

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Speaker 5: And I know Marshall Keff, he's a good friend of

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Speaker 5: mine up at her Bank made company, one of the

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Speaker 5: bigger wholesalers in the state, and he's got to run

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Speaker 5: he said, he told me and Sean the other day,

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Speaker 5: he said, he said, I can't trap enough mentals for

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Speaker 5: them guys up there. He said, I take up a

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Speaker 5: and a half and they're out of mindals again. Me

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Speaker 5: and we can only catch trap mindles so fast. And

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Speaker 5: so he's he's hauling him up there, and I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't halt myself haul him up there. But sure,

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Speaker 5: you've got a lot of people stopping in the shop

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Speaker 5: and and my other stores. I got a I got

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Speaker 5: a couple of places that we supply, went up at

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Speaker 5: Lincoln and uh went over to Starbucking. I take them

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Speaker 5: a load of mindles and they'll be on the phone

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Speaker 5: within thirty six hours they're out. So there's definitely a

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Speaker 5: lot of people enjoying fishing this winter with the good conditions.

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Speaker 2: So it's all good, it's all good, all right, sir, Well,

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Speaker 2: I'll let you get back.

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Speaker 3: Did you lock the door now when we talk?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I haven't opened it up yet. And we got

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Speaker 5: a many wizards going on here. It's not snowing, but

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Speaker 5: the wind's rustling up, so there won't be a lot

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Speaker 5: of people heading out this morning yet un till maybe

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Speaker 5: seven seven thirty and get the sidewalk in there. Their

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Speaker 5: yards plowed out, and then they'll start coming in.

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Speaker 3: About if you heard anything about the roads up there,

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Speaker 3: we're icy, okay.

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Speaker 5: I was on one for about a mile this morning.

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Speaker 5: I just had to go check a narration system real

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Speaker 5: quick north of the bay shop, and it is snowpacked

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Speaker 5: and icy, So everybody a little caution, please, you got it?

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Speaker 3: Do you got it? Denny? I thank you sir very much,

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Speaker 3: and we will chat again and I'll see you soon,

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Speaker 3: I hope. And by the way, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks folks.

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Speaker 2: You bet that's Denny Fletcher up at Fletcher's a bait

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Speaker 3: I guess maybe there. I have no idea. You haven't

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Speaker 4: It was two weeks ago you were talking about spoonaugers. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Okay, it was so I predated the two little blades

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Speaker 4: No, I can't imagine you would be burning too many holes.

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Speaker 2: It just had it had I think it was on

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Speaker 2: But you'd always be taking the spoon, the thing, the

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Speaker 3: A candle to keep your home open. And they see

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you'd take a coffee can and cut one

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Speaker 4: I was I'm old enough to remember dropping egg shells.

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Speaker 4: there spearing. Well this was for just even panfish. As

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Speaker 2: we have to take a pause, don't we All right,

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Speaker 2: one minutes after the hour of six am. There is

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Speaker 2: the DNR is accepting public comments on said proposal until

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Speaker 2: the fifth day of March. Now, like I said, I

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Speaker 3: Population of fish.

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Speaker 2: But in the same voice, I thought the DNR based

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Speaker 2: But from what I had heard, I don't think it

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I know there's some pushback. Personally, I don't care. I

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Speaker 2: The resorters are cravvy about it, because people that come

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Speaker 2: don't know. My gut tells me that there's more than

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Speaker 3: But yeah, well, so.

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Speaker 4: The possession limit would go down as well as the

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Speaker 2: Well, the daily bag is the possession limit. If it's

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Speaker 2: you could have six, it's not like pheasants. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I believe so.

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Speaker 3: I thought you could. I thought you could have.

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Speaker 2: You can't have more than a limit in the freezer.

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Speaker 2: That I know, because I'm very careful about that.

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Speaker 3: It's not something that I have to worry about, nor

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Speaker 3: do I. So it's it's different than your hunting possession.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I believe so, Now don't quote me. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: it up. Don't don't run away and say, well, Hil

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Speaker 2: the brand said you are responsible for your own understanding

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Speaker 2: what I do. I'm very careful. I never never have

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Speaker 3: What have you been doing?

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Speaker 4: I had been skiing until we got that rain about

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Speaker 4: The closest good cross country skiing is to go up

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Speaker 3: So well, they groom those trails over, they do, and

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Speaker 4: They have a snow machine, snow Farmers is what it's called.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a that's about as close you can.

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Speaker 4: I was looking at Skinny Skis, which is the evolution

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Speaker 3: When you failed to make that video, you were all

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Speaker 3: skinnyki I do I do go out on skinny skis?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have that playing in my head.

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Speaker 3: This hilarious. Uh yeah, it looks like you're right.

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Speaker 4: So while I possession limit six combined, while I and

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Speaker 2: But that's I just I would like there to be

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Speaker 2: research done on it to see if we are deplete

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Speaker 4: It is a little it's a little messy because you

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Speaker 4: it does change by species. Yeah, I said, it's not

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Speaker 3: I was a little concerned too with the year round

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Speaker 3: the year round bass season Minnesota, the only way that

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Speaker 3: they regulate their bass fishery is with open and closed seasons.

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Speaker 3: They don't stock them, they.

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Speaker 2: Don't have spawning areas protecting fish anymore, and the only

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Speaker 2: And I believe there was just a small group of

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Speaker 2: and they let them go. But I just I think

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Speaker 2: we've got a great population of large small mouths in

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Speaker 2: this state. You don't need to mess with it. It

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Speaker 2: really don't.

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Speaker 3: Are you.

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Speaker 4: Are you fearful of a bass population being vulnerable?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They their most vulnerable time is string spawned. Sure, but

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Speaker 2: that it makes no difference. But don't compare it to

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Speaker 3: All year long.

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Speaker 2: They have open water, granted, but I won't compare any

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really I'm skeptical that the Minnesota bass population

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Speaker 4: It's surprising that the number of people that are keeping surprising.

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Speaker 4: When we went out to the resort to have dinner,

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Speaker 4: large mouth pass in there?

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Speaker 3: Is there really a lot of large mouth pass I do?

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Speaker 4: I agree with you that you know, when folks are

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Speaker 4: taking their week long summer vacation and they're catching fish,

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Speaker 4: and that you know they are after their daily limit

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Speaker 4: and you know, wanting to keep going, keep going, eat,

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Speaker 4: eat walleye every night, and you know, and take some home.

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Speaker 2: The other thing I think the people are going to

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Speaker 2: it's going to be up to each individual county.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a complicated too, isn't it. Think about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of counties and where

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Speaker 2: So if one county allows rifles, two counties don't. Even

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Speaker 2: if you can walk from county to county at times,

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Speaker 2: you can't think of the burden it puts on conservation officers.

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Speaker 4: It illustrates this whole conversation, illustrates the need to continuously

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Speaker 4: keep up on the changing regulations and what you're doing

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Speaker 4: to stay well.

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Speaker 2: I think that that regulation was pushed by one legislator too,

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Speaker 2: Yet he was very vocal because he had property down

440
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Speaker 2: in the Southeastern area.

441
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Speaker 4: Nevertheless, though, you know, when it becomes law, it's all

442
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 4: it's on all of us as hunters and anglers to

443
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: you know, when we grab that fishing rod or that firearm,

444
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: to know where we are and what the lies.

445
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 3: But the other thing too, I've talked with a.

446
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: Couple of farmers that don't hunt deer. They're pretty irritated

447
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: about it because that high powered rifle. No matter what

448
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: they say, if you're a group of individuals and you're

449
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: running or pushing a cornfield driving a cornfield, that bullet

450
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: out of a straight jacket shell is going to go

451
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 2: oh yeah.

452
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Speaker 4: Even you know folks that try to pheasant hunt during

453
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Speaker 4: dear season, and you know the wm A system that

454
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Speaker 4: I go to a different state, I just don't like

455
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Speaker 4: any how many people.

456
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: Are going to see a deer three hundred yards off

457
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: now with a high powered rifle.

458
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: Take a quote unquote crack at it. Yeah, we hit it.

459
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: They don't, We don't.

460
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

461
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: I just think it's in this country, this flat country,

462
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: and they'll say Wisconsin has it doesn't make a difference. Well,

463
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Wisconsin's topography is a little bit different Nebraska.

464
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: How many hundreds they have? Yeah, I don't know.

465
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Speaker 2: I just think sometimes it's not real wise as far

466
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: as what we've.

467
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: Done, what we're doing.

468
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: But people need to say speak out and when they're

469
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: open for public comment if you have, if you have

470
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: feelings strongly one way or the other, go to the

471
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Speaker 2: d NR's website and make a public comment on the

472
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: walleye limit, in favor or against or concerned either way.

473
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: But you can be heard. And I think that's important. Yeah,

474
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: I really do. But I also know that the roundtable

475
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: just took place. I will eve gosh two weeks ago

476
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: or even last I think it was last Friday, last Friday. Yeah,

477
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: and I haven't been to a roundtable for a long time.

478
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: But I haven't heard anything about it either yet.

479
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was an article in this week's Outdoor News

480
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: about it, so yeah, it did take place a week

481
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 4: aldgo Friday.

482
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well, coming up right around the corner, we

483
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: are going to be chatting with mister Dennis Anderson. Yeah,

484
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: the outdoor writer for the Minneapolis star debut.

485
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, once upon a time, the outdoor writer for the

486
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: Pioneer Press, and we're going to dive back into the

487
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 4: history of nineteen eighty one eighty two ish and a

488
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: story he wrote that was the catalyst for the creation

489
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: of Pheasants Forever. So he's going to be our keynote

490
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 4: speaker at National Pheasant Fest and Quail Classic in about

491
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: a month, and we're going to hear the keys a

492
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 4: portion of that. And uh, I catch up with Dennis

493
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: here next segment.

494
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: Wonderful, Let's take that pause and we will come back

495
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: with mister Dennis Anderson. Uh, the creator or the incentive

496
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: for the creator of phasis forever?

497
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: Correct?

498
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: The well, he the the idea was his.

499
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cattle.

500
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wrote a story that essentially was the catalyst

501
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 4: for the creation.

502
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with Dennis after this.

503
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: Well, we're back thirty nine minutes after the hour of

504
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: six A. I'm on a fan outdoors Saturday morning. Bill

505
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: Hildebrand here along with Bob Saint Pierre and the executive producer,

506
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: which who always does a wonderful job for us. We

507
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: appreciate him a great deal. As mister Brett Blake Moore.

508
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: But Bob, why don't you go ahead and introduce our

509
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: next guest right now?

510
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: Well, we pleased to be joined by Dennis Anderson. Undoubtedly

511
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: our listeners know the name the Outdoors Reporter. It's they

512
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: outdoors editor at the Minnesota Star Tribune.

513
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: Good morning, Dennis, Good morning folks.

514
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 6: How you doing.

515
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: We're trying to stay warm. It's a little chilly out

516
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 4: there today, but we're doing well. What's happening in your

517
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: world these days?

518
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 6: Well, duck season is over, and deer season is over,

519
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 6: and the ice is pretty good though, so there's some

520
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: ice fishing going on, and then lots of stuff. My

521
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 6: actual title nowadays is outdoors Calumnist. I need to straighten

522
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 6: it out because we have our staffing at the Start Tribute.

523
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: Its changed around, and so we actually have a new guy, Mark,

524
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 6: who's the outdoors editor, and he's running the show, so

525
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 6: I don't want to step on his Yeah.

526
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: You were the editor at one time, right, yeah.

527
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 6: For many, many, many years.

528
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, how long have you been at the Strip?

529
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: I went over there in ninety three, and of course

530
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 6: I was at the Pine Press before, or as we

531
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 6: referred to it, the Pineer Pressure, So I was there,

532
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 6: you know quite a few years as well. I started

533
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 6: writing the column in nineteen eighty at the Pine Press.

534
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 6: So yeah, you know, when I ever i recount those years,

535
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 6: you see the people's eyes as they're listening to that,

536
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 6: and they're saying, man, man, and this up time goes on.

537
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: How are you guys doing or do well? Tell us

538
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: about the early eighties what you were observing around the landscape,

539
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: and then lead us to the article in eighty two

540
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: that ultimately became the genesis of pheasants forever.

541
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know. I went to school, went to college

542
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 6: out in Morris, at the University of Minesota Morris, which

543
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 6: is late in recent months, I guess the past couple

544
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 6: of years have been in the news for its declining enrollment,

545
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 6: and which is unfortunate. I guess a lot of colleges

546
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 6: are seen that as well. But Morris was a great

547
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 6: place to go to college, and I would actually recommend

548
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 6: it to anybody, especially anybody who's interested in bird hunting.

549
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 6: We used to say it was the best college we

550
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 6: could get into in the flyway as we looked around,

551
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 6: but you know, there was at that time. So I

552
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 6: started school and six sixty nine and it's an interesting

553
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 6: you know, people's perspectives when you're younger. If you go

554
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 6: out and you get a couple docs or he bit

555
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 6: a pheasant, a roosters see and you know, it's all

556
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 6: pretty exciting and not quite sure at that age you

557
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 6: know how to put it in perspective over a timeline,

558
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 6: because the mid sixties, as you recall if you read

559
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: your Minnesota history, it was probably I think it was

560
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty five, was one of the blizzards of all

561
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: time and just about wiped out the Minnesota pheasant population.

562
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 6: But by the time I was going to school, starting

563
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 6: school more, you know, there are definitely birds around. We

564
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 6: go out when we could in the fall, I was

565
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 6: playing basketball all the time, so it's limited to weekends oftentimes,

566
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 6: but and we'd see birds. We'd get a couple of birds.

567
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: We didn't have a dog or anything, and duck hunting

568
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 6: at that time was actually pretty good out there as well.

569
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 6: But as time went on, you know, I got through college,

570
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 6: and then every year after that, my friends and I

571
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 6: would at the opening of pheasant season, we'd go back

572
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 6: to Morris and the motel. At the time, the Motel

573
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 6: Dazure was somewhat in which was new and I think

574
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 6: it still exists under.

575
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: A different name.

576
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 6: But on the opener, I mean it was headquarters. It

577
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 6: was filled with pheasant hunters and their dogs and you

578
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 6: could actually foolishly perhaps by management, but you could keep

579
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 6: your dog in the room and people there were dogs everywhere,

580
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 6: and a pheasant hunting was good and we'd go out

581
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 6: and oftentimes we'd have our limit by, you know, early afternoon,

582
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 6: and we'd clean the birds right there right outside the

583
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 6: parking lot and getting the hot tub, and you know,

584
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 6: times were times were good. But as time went on

585
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 6: and we got into through the seventies and the early eighties,

586
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 6: we would go out and we'd see, you know, pieces

587
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 6: of habitat that would just disappear, and we could pretty

588
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 6: easily identify, you know, its being turned over the road

589
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 6: crops or being drained or whatever. And by the time

590
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 6: I got a job, I got my outdoor columns job

591
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 6: at the Pioneer in nineteen eighty, it was pretty obvious

592
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 6: that something should be done. South Dakota had a a

593
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 6: peasant restoration program at the time. Minnesota didn't. Minnesot of those.

594
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 6: DNR was you know, kind of accepting, frankly as a

595
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 6: lot of hunters or that this was it was not

596
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 6: going to get me better. So that's what prompted me,

597
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 6: you know, finally to write and say we should have

598
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 6: a bird club.

599
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 4: And you wrote that article and what was the response

600
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: because is elements to that that to me today are shocking.

601
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's a mistick too because it was almost

602
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 6: like relative to the day when newsrooms, you know, especially

603
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 6: our large newspaper newsrooms are kind of like insurance company,

604
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 6: you know, offices. They're quiet, and people have cubicles and

605
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 6: the everybody's on obviously a computer of some sort of

606
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: it's not really noise there. But when I started at

607
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 6: the Pioneer, I actually started there as a sort of

608
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 6: a junior editor in nineteen seventy eight. It was it

609
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 6: wasn't quite like the old days, but it was pretty close.

610
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 6: The city editor kept a bottle in his desk, and plenty,

611
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 6: plenty of people smoked in the newsroom. I mean, hard

612
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 6: to believe now, even as recently I can probably seventy

613
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 6: uh yeah, well it would have been eighty in the

614
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 6: early eighties, like wherever the sky on the sports desk,

615
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 6: because when I got the outdoor job, I was in

616
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 6: sports and Chuck Dixon. He smoked cigars and there was

617
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 6: nothing for him to command to work and you know,

618
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 6: log onto his computer and fire up a big stove

619
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 6: game and smoke billowing and so you know, it was.

620
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 6: It was a different time in that the old building

621
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 6: at fifty five East four Street was had limited capacity

622
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 6: for us and you know, in the newsroom and so forth.

623
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 6: So they rented this sort of crummy cavernous space across

624
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 6: the street in the Minnesota Building and put a few

625
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 6: of us near do wells over there. Bill Farmer, who

626
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 6: was our humor columnist, he was so funny he fired.

627
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 6: You know, we loved him and he was over there.

628
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: What do you get fired for? Do you remember? Yeah?

629
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 6: Being too funny? And it wasn't all he was funny

630
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 6: in the newsroom, he was. I don't know if he

631
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 6: ultimately got fired or they just took his column away

632
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 6: and sat him in the corner.

633
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. He was.

634
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 6: He was our travel editor at one time, and he

635
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 6: would go to back when we actually newspapers had travel

636
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 6: editors and we had you know, before the internet, we

637
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 6: had all that travel advertising, and so we he would

638
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 6: go to Europe and come back a couple of weeks

639
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 6: in all of his receipts were out of paper bag.

640
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 6: He was just like cow me to put put him

641
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 6: on the desk and the out But anyway, so Farmer

642
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 6: and I are over across the street and a couple

643
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 6: of other people management didn't really want to see.

644
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: Every day, I.

645
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 6: Wrote this column about, you know, let's we've had enough

646
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 6: of this because being our commissioner Joe Alexander at the

647
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 6: time was a great guy, one of the you know,

648
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 6: great being our commissioners of all time. Came up through

649
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 6: the ranks. He was at the old days, a game warden,

650
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 6: then conservation officer, and you know, I went into his office.

651
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 6: I said, South Dakota's got a pheasant program, and we

652
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 6: don't have a stamp, we don't have anything, and you know,

653
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 6: the habitats going away, and and you know, he he,

654
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 6: you know, he was just being straightforward. He said, pheasants

655
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 6: will always have a place in Minnesota, but it might

656
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 6: be a remnant population. And I said, well, it's not

657
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 6: remnant to me, you know, or my friends. I mean,

658
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 6: that's not Our experience is about as much fun as

659
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 6: we could possibly have. And so you know that that

660
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 6: particular conversation, and then the experiences that my friends and

661
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 6: I had at Morris and out in west central Minnesota

662
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 6: just you know, brought it to a head and I said,

663
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 6: you know, he was it, and I wrote that column.

664
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 6: I said, you know, something's got to happen here. And

665
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 6: this was back, of course, before email and everything. And

666
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 6: so in the following week I got this trendous amount

667
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 6: of mail. I think over one hundred letters, and some

668
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 6: of them were stuffed with cash, and and many of

669
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 6: them had I would almost say, most handwritten memories of

670
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 6: you know, the good old days in Minnesota pheasants we

671
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 6: were at that time. You could still tap into that history,

672
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 6: you know, through the fifties. I think nineteen fifty eight

673
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 6: was Minnesota I had over three hundred thousand pheasant hunters

674
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 6: three hundred, yeah, I remember that it was over three hundred.

675
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 6: And you know the harvest was over a million. In

676
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 6: fact that at one point you could shoot hends in

677
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 6: Minnesota in the history of course, you know, it was

678
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 6: a big deal. WCCO was the good neighbor of the

679
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 6: fifty thousand wat deal. You know, everybody listened to it,

680
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 6: and they would do field reports. They'd have people out

681
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: in Ortonville and Graceville and Marshall and talking about the

682
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 6: big pheasant opener, and there were always big community pheasant dinners.

683
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 6: And it was such a part of the Minnesota culture

684
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 6: because at that time, Minnesota was still going transitioning from

685
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 6: a primarily hurl or large fundamentally rural economy and demographic

686
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 6: to an urban one. And so even people who lived

687
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 6: in the Twin Cities use that opportunity to go back

688
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 6: to their Minneota or any of those wonderful small towns

689
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 6: in Minnesota Rendell Henderson and they would go back and

690
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 6: they would hunt and you know, spend time with their

691
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 6: family and so forth. And so it was serendipitous and

692
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 6: were just really tapped into that and it it took off.

693
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 6: So timing is everything. A little bit of luck as well,

694
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 6: or a lot of luck maybe, but that's kind of

695
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 6: how the spark occurred.

696
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: It's interesting because when you read that particular article, you

697
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: didn't say, let's start pheasants forever. You didn't say you

698
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 4: just said something needs to be done. And the readers

699
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 4: responded by, as you say, sending you cash in the mail.

700
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: So when you get a hundred and a little abside

701
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 3: with money at your what what goes through your head?

702
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 6: Well, of course the flip answer would be a vacation

703
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 6: to Acopoco. No, that was definitely a novel experience. And

704
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 6: I came back and it was two weeks later when

705
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 6: I announced, okay, we have we're going to have a

706
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 6: bird club that's going to be called Couss Forever. And

707
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 6: that just thought up that name, uh, to be honest

708
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 6: with you, and I went back just the week before

709
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 6: or days before I published a subsequent column, and there

710
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 6: was an artist, graphic artist. He might still be there,

711
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 6: I don't know, probably not that Kurt litel l y

712
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 6: t t l E. And uh, he's definitely not a

713
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 6: hunter and everything is a big, a great guy, artsy type,

714
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 6: you know. And I went back there and I said,

715
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 6: uh hey, and I brought her. At that time, all

716
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 6: the photos were just obviously a hard copy, and I

717
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 6: went up to the library and I got the file

718
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 6: of Pheasant photos, you know, just like a Manila folder.

719
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 6: I brought him to Kirk. I said, I need a logo,

720
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 6: and so he grew. He took that one and that

721
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 6: one that you guys have used forever until recently you

722
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 6: modernized it.

723
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 7: But Uh.

724
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 6: So he drew that up and and I said, well,

725
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 6: we've got a burg club and I'm going to call

726
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 6: pheasants forever. Now, I did have at that point one

727
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 6: particular friend, a north Berg, who was steputy chairman of

728
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 6: Control of Control Data at the time. And he was

729
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 6: a very very bright man, and you know, so he

730
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 6: he was a good sounding board for all this and

731
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 6: a very encouraging person too, know he say, because he

732
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 6: did a lot of things Control Data. He was there

733
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 6: at the beginning of that company and help grow it.

734
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 6: Look of course, with a lot of other people. And

735
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 6: he was more on the human resources and human potential side,

736
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 6: and he ran like a real estate and all that

737
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 6: stuff and around the world. And did you know, he

738
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 6: had a lot of experience and a lot of experience

739
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 6: with people. And that's one thing I've tried to learn too,

740
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 6: is that there are people if you put them in

741
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 6: a position and you encourage them, they can do things

742
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 6: that they don't they didn't think they could do, they

743
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 6: themselves didn't think they could do. And in retrospect, you know,

744
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 6: he was very valuable that way. He'd say, yeah, yeah,

745
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 6: you know, that's gonna be done. Yeah, that's a great idea,

746
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 6: and so he and then Finden would play a significant

747
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 6: role as well. He was the actual national advertising manager

748
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 6: at the Pinea Press and a hunter, not a big

749
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 6: pheasant hunter, but a goose hunter. And I had lunch

750
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 6: with him and Farmer, you know occasionally slash regularly depends

751
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 6: on the time of year, and so they brought into it,

752
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 6: and then my friends from the Morris years as well,

753
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 6: Will Smith out of Wilmer. You know, we were all

754
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 6: sort of talking about this and when I said, yeah,

755
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 6: let's let's let's do this, it kind of took off

756
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 6: from there. And you know, a lot of people played

757
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 6: a lot of major roles, certainly, but and a lot

758
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 6: of it was timing. A lot of it was, as

759
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 6: I say, serendipity. But what we were leveraging for the

760
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 6: most part was that feeling and people that still exists,

761
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 6: I think broadly, is that the world's changing. A lot

762
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 6: of it's not changing for the better, and it's impinging

763
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 6: on the things that are important to me, especially in

764
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 6: those things that helped me connect to the land, that

765
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 6: have you know, real meaning and real reward for my

766
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 6: quality of life. And so I want to be a

767
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 6: part of it. And you know, a lot of people.

768
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 4: Were, well, I'm very excited to have you be our

769
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: keynote speaker next month National pheasant Fest and Quail Classic.

770
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 7: You'll be.

771
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: Saturday February twenty Yeah, twentieth or twenty first, I can't

772
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: remember exactly.

773
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: It's at Pheasantfest dot Org. Is it twenty first sake,

774
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: I'm glad you know, yeah, it's that Saturday. You'll kind

775
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: of fill in some gaps in the story and look

776
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 4: back as well as I look forward. We get thirteen

777
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 4: hundredacity capacity and we're under one hundred left, which is

778
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 4: which is very cool and just for listeners. Dennis has

779
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: donated his time. You know, most of the time we

780
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: have a fee to pay for keynote speakers, and Dennis

781
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 4: has been very very gracious and said I want to

782
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: do this, and I want to do it on my

783
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: own time and contribute.

784
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: We're going to.

785
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: Take a break and have you come back, Dennis, and

786
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 4: your your rabble rousing days are not over because you're

787
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: you're looking across the landscape and thinking similar things about

788
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: Minnesota's duck population, and I want you to when we

789
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: come back, tell us what's going on with the Minnesota

790
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 4: Duck Summit.

791
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: So you might hold with us for uh, for.

792
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: Short pauseitives Yeah, no problem, Grant Dennis Anderson, Minnesota Star

793
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 4: Tribune and the keynote speaker at pheasant Fest. We're gonna

794
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 4: take a short break and we'll come right back. When's

795
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: the next segment of Fan Outdoors Human.

796
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: Three minutes after the hour of seven o'clock Saturday morning. Yep,

797
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: we'll be with you until the eight o'clock hour. Delated

798
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: to be here too. Our guest has been mister Dennis Anderson,

799
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: and Bob has been leading the conversation on that, and

800
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna turn the reins back over to him

801
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: because it is such a good job.

802
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 3: You don't need me button.

803
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to talk about soaken minnows and screen naggers. Well, Dennis,

804
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 4: transitioning from peasants to ducks. You know, over over a

805
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: period of probably twenty years, you've been writing about the

806
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 4: need for kind of a change in the approach to

807
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 4: ducks and kind of ramped up your efforts maybe late

808
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: this summer about we need to re evaluate our duck

809
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 4: situation in the state of Minnesota. Take us from there.

810
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: What are your observations and what's going to be happening

811
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: here in the spring.

812
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's just pointing toward a duck summit,

813
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 6: which basically it's a citizens duck summit. I had written

814
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 6: a column I think August twenty ninth, and said we

815
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 6: should have a duck summit in Minnesota and the d

816
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 6: n R should lead it, and there was plenty of

817
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 6: precedent for that. You know, one of the water set

818
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 6: moments in pheasant management in the state and peasant awareness

819
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 6: was in twenty fourteen when Governor Dayton called the Pheasant Summit,

820
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 6: and Pheasants Forever had a lot to do with him

821
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 6: doing that, and I think p F ultimately organized it.

822
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 6: I think if we go back and see that, but

823
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 6: it was out of Marshall and what came out of

824
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 6: that was the Minnesota Buffer Law, which you requires producers, landowners,

825
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 6: farmers to buffer streams and rivers they go through their property.

826
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 6: It was controversial. Everything is controversial today, especially but you know,

827
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 6: anytime you're dealing with somebody's private property and the government's

828
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 6: coming in and say this the other thing that you

829
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 6: know you have to do this. It was controversial, but

830
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 6: it did happen, and you know, arguably it should have

831
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 6: happened a long time ago and should happen nationwide to

832
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 6: the degree it can not every landscape lends itself to it.

833
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 6: But anyway, that was twenty fourteen, and there and many

834
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 6: duck summits as well in Minnesota history. And they were

835
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 6: all put on by the old Minnesota Waterfall Association, a

836
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 6: group that unfortunately folded, you know, five or six years ago,

837
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 6: but we missed in many respects. But they put on

838
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 6: what was called them, you know, annual Duck Symposium, and

839
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 6: they had all the players there, du Fish and Wildlife Service,

840
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 6: d n R and r CS and so forth, and

841
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 6: they all gave presentations and even at one point probably

842
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 6: two thousand, I don't know, sixteens eighteen. Then dnire Commissioner

843
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 6: Tom Land were debated Dave Zentner from Duluth, who is

844
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 6: a longtime conservationist duck hunter about duck management, especially you know,

845
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 6: limits and so forth. Well as everybody knows, ducks have

846
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 6: have had a hard time and their reflection of our waters.

847
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 6: You know, we do still have wetlands in Minnesota, but

848
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 6: a lot of them are degraded, they've got carp in them,

849
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 6: or they're basically used as part of a sewage system

850
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 6: for agricultural drainage, and you know, so things aren't good.

851
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 6: And if it only mattered but only affected ducks, it

852
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: would be one thing. But the same as you know,

853
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 6: the health of the landscape, and Billy knows the health

854
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 6: of the landscape is directly related to the health of

855
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 6: the water, and both of those directly related to our health.

856
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 6: And you know, so it's important stuff. And anyway, so

857
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 6: I I wrote a column and said Dean Ire should

858
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 6: lead at duck seminar, and we had conversations with the

859
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 6: the in our wildlife section, chief Dave Trava, who is

860
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 6: himself big time duck hunter. He ran lack of parl

861
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 6: for I think seventeen years before he was promoted, moved

862
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 6: to new home and now he's you know, out of

863
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 6: the Saint Paul office. But whether he was taking direction

864
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 6: from his bosses or it just didn't seem like something

865
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 6: that they wanted to do, or you know, because duck

866
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 6: hunters are not happy the relatively few we had. At

867
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 6: one point we had one hundred and thirty five to

868
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty thousand duck hunters in Minnesota. Now

869
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 6: we have about fifty five thousand.

870
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 7: So.

871
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 6: Those of us involved with it said the heck, we'll

872
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 6: have We'll have our own summit. So it's you know,

873
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 6: I would say it's not easy to put together something

874
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 6: like this, but it's then again, it's it's worthwhile taking

875
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 6: the lead. That Nicola Conservation Club, which is I don't

876
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 6: know if you've ever been down there, either of you guys,

877
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 6: but their outfit on the shores of Swan Lake is

878
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 6: soon Burn Press, a big clubhouse, great organization, great activity,

879
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 6: great conservation ethic. They're giving I think their current programs.

880
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 6: They're giving one hundred thousand dollars to that unlimited as

881
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 6: part of a Minnesota D and R refurbishment of a

882
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 6: wildlife area not far from Swan Lake. So they're a

883
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 6: big player. And the Fergus Falls Fishing Game Club, which

884
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 6: is also a big player in Minnesota and I think

885
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 6: the oldest fishing game club. I'm not sure that those

886
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 6: guys are on board, as are the guys up at

887
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 6: Lake Christina and the many other individuals and representatives, so

888
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 6: smaller clubs as well. So long in the short of

889
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 6: it is a seminar, will the summit, rather, there will

890
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 6: be the last weekend in March and it's going to

891
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 6: be a nickelt in Nickol, Minnesota, which is right down

892
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 6: by Swan Lake, and that's when the school's off. So

893
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 6: we've rented the three hundred and seventy five person capacity

894
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 6: theater there in an adjoining kind.

895
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: Of big meeting room.

896
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 6: And you know, we're open for business soon. We're just

897
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 6: putting the whole agenda together, but we expect it to

898
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 6: be informational. You know, people who will come will learn

899
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 6: a lot about ducks and I think a lot about

900
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 6: you know, where we are right now, and then hopefully

901
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 6: from that point get some action perhaps from the DNR,

902
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 6: hopefully from the DNR on regulations and a habitat enhancement

903
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 6: of course, which is critical and important and ongoing because

904
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 6: of our legacy money Minnesota, but where we also think

905
00:55:55,160 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 6: there are significant research vacuums, because we do have a

906
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 6: number of really good large including Swan Lake, shallow waters

907
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 6: in Minnesota, shallow lakes in Minnesota, and wetlands that are

908
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 6: in good shape that do have relatively clear water, that

909
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 6: have great vegetation, sago pond and to some degree in

910
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 6: some places wild celery still. But we don't have ducks,

911
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 6: and we don't know exactly why those aren't producing ducks

912
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 6: and they aren't home to ducks. It's complicated, but anyway,

913
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 6: we hope to move the ball down the court.

914
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: So we're almost almost at a time. But I close

915
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 4: the loop on a couple of the d n R

916
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 4: and the Fish and Wildlish Service and Delta Waterfall are

917
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 4: all involved in the summit at this point.

918
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, they are ducks on levels.

919
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 6: And feathers forever. I'm sure we'll play a roll there

920
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 6: as well. We want to get you know, those players

921
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 6: who are using legacy money and PF is certainly one

922
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 6: to make habitat to kind of show us what they're

923
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 6: doing and you know how everything can be done better,

924
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 6: how we can mobilize people to help.

925
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: So and it is open to public.

926
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 4: The event is at Nickel It but to register you

927
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: got to go to the Fergus Falls Conservation Club's website, Yeah,

928
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 4: which is a little bit confute.

929
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 6: If you go to their website you can sign up,

930
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 6: or I think if you google Minnesota Duck Summit you'll

931
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 6: get to that page as well.

932
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 4: Gat Dennis, thank you for getting up early with us

933
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 4: and talking pheasants, ducks and a little bit a little

934
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 4: bit of very important Minnesota history.

935
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 7: Yeah.

936
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 6: Thanks, happy to do it, and I hope you guys

937
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 6: have a good day.

938
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 3: We will see you next month too.

939
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right, thank you, you welcome, thank you.

940
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: It's real true and Dennis is right on the money. Also,

941
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: I believe, and I don't think a lot of people

942
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: realize habitat raises more than just pheasants. Grasslands raise more

943
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: than pheasants. They're an important integral part of waterfowl nesting areas.

944
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: They don't have grass for pheasants. For certain species of ducks, we.

945
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: Don't have them. Yeah.

946
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 4: I mean, we can go down the road to pollinators

947
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 4: white tails. But you know, the other critical species in

948
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: this mix are human beings. Yeah, I mean, I don't

949
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: want to live in this concrete jungle and have that

950
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 4: be my entire existence. I value as a human being

951
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 4: these wild places, these open spaces, grasslands, wetlands, where I

952
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 4: find peace and happiness and the best moments of my life.

953
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: I can tell you for a fact, my youngest son

954
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: worked on buffers by Saint James and which came from

955
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: the Pheasant Summit.

956
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: When you get an old older or an old.

957
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: Farmer who has been farming his land for all of

958
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: his life. And you come in and say you're going

959
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: to do this to your property, they will look at

960
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: you with one eye closed and tell you to be damned.

961
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: And it's a real struggle. But Chad also tells me

962
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: that the younger farmers coming in taking over that ground

963
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: are more than willing and more receptive than ever to

964
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: preserving that and making it more healthy, because it's the

965
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: right thing to do. I'll let that go right there,

966
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: and we'll take a pause and be back talking some.

967
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: Fishing, boonoggers and silken shiners.

968
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: Maybe with Tony Mariotti from the Detroit Lakes area. After this,

969
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: we're back, yep, forty minutes after the hour of seven

970
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 2: o'clock on a fan outdoors. Well Thursday, No, no, it's

971
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: not Saturday morning, but it.

972
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: Will be Thursday coming up. It will be. We won't

973
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: be on for tata.

974
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 4: I want to think all the images of spoon Ouger's

975
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 4: being texted to my cell phone.

976
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 3: This mor Dave Dobson. Good to hear from you, buddy.

977
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: Oh that sorry.

978
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: Our next guest, Tony Mariotti, joins us right now from

979
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lakes area, and he has an optill You

980
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: to fish some brand new water.

981
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: Tony, Good morning sir.

982
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 7: Good morning Billy. How are you?

983
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm good. Have you ever heard of a spoon?

984
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 7: You know? Let me let me text Bob a couple of.

985
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: Integration.

986
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: Uh, you think I was rubbing two rocks together, But

987
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: you have had time. You told me earlier to fish

988
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: some water that you'd never fished before.

989
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: How is that?

990
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 7: You know? It's been really good. That was kind of,

991
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 7: you know, fifteen twenty years ago. That was kind of

992
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 7: my bread and butter, is I I really prided myself

993
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 7: on getting out and trying new bodies of water and

994
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 7: looking at all the little ponds around here and little

995
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 7: little spots that kind of looked like they get overlooked.

996
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 7: And then kind of life happens, and I've getten older,

997
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 7: and I wasn't that angry, So I just wasn't out

998
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 7: grinding the way I used to be. And then once

999
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 7: kids were in hockey and we were doing these things,

1000
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 7: I just I just didn't have time. And then last

1001
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 7: weekend my son had had an injury that kept them

1002
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 7: out of hockey for the weekend. So I thought, I'm

1003
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 7: going to go try New Lakes. And last Friday, Saturday Sunday,

1004
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 7: I had three lakes I had never been on in

1005
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 7: my life, and it was it was truly enjoyable and

1006
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 7: fun to get out there and kind of go back

1007
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 7: to what I often talk to people about and give

1008
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 7: them some ideas on what I'm looking for, and I had.

1009
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 7: I had success in all three lakes, which doesn't always happen,

1010
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 7: but it was fun.

1011
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: Well, okay, Tony, what were you looking for?

1012
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: And talk us through some of going to You see

1013
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: a lake and you've driven by it a long time,

1014
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: you decided you're going to go fishing, You go out

1015
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: and find access to the lake.

1016
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 3: What do you do?

1017
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 7: You know? That's a great question, and that's kind of

1018
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 7: what I wanted to talk about. So Lake number one,

1019
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 7: how it kind of started was I had a guy

1020
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 7: that has a family cabin on a private lake or

1021
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 7: relatively private lake, and he said, do you even think

1022
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 7: there's fishing there? And I started looking at lake maps

1023
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 7: and there's actually no contour maps or anything like that,

1024
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 7: but looking at aerial photos, and I said, it looks

1025
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 7: deep enough, it looks like there's some good structure, it

1026
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 7: looks like there's a deep hole. And so I grabbed

1027
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 7: a buddy and we went out and just started drilling

1028
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 7: and drilling and drilling, and without exaggerating, I think we

1029
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 7: probably put over the course of seven hours, two hundred

1030
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 7: and fifty to three hundred holes in this lake.

1031
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: So you're saying you were using a spoonauger.

1032
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, we were not using a spoon auger. But

1033
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 7: we went through a ton of batteries and we truly

1034
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 7: enjoyed it. The other thing was the leather was nice.

1035
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 7: It wasn't like this morning. It was, you know, thirty

1036
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 7: five degrees and little wind. The sun was out, and

1037
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 7: what we discovered was okay. We started right as we

1038
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 7: walked off the shoreline, started at the weed line, and

1039
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 7: within probably the first five holes, we caught our first fish,

1040
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 7: and within the next five holes we taught five more fish,

1041
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 7: and then it was ten more fish. Every single fish

1042
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 7: was the exact same. It was a beautiful not really.

1043
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 7: It was a seven to eight inch walleye that was

1044
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 7: absolutely starving. You would drop a waxworm down and these

1045
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 7: little guys would come flying up and hit and they

1046
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 7: when I say they have a big head in relation

1047
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 7: to their body, it was big because their head was

1048
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 7: about the size of your thumb, and the body was

1049
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 7: the size of your pinky. So I'm guessing it's a

1050
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 7: rearing pond that doesn't have much forage in it at all,

1051
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 7: and so there just is nothing for those fish to eat.

1052
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 7: So you drop down a waxworm on a spoon and

1053
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 7: they would just come shooting in from all directions to eat.

1054
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 7: But we learned it was interesting. Probably not a real

1055
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 7: sustainable fishery as far as going out in harvesting fish

1056
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 7: to eat, but we had fun. Lake number two never

1057
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 7: been on. Met an old buddy of mine, Jason Durham

1058
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 7: from the Park Rapids area runs go fish Guide service,

1059
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 7: and I called him looking for insight on this lake

1060
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 7: because I knew he had been on it but I had.

1061
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 7: He said, hey, I'll meet you out there. Haven't been

1062
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 7: on it in fifteen years. And again we started with

1063
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 7: the lake map. We started looking for the deep holes

1064
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 7: in the lake. I think it took us till the

1065
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 7: third hole and then we found fish. We ended up.

1066
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 7: Once you found life, there was a ton of life.

1067
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 7: So we caught fast small mouth baths, large mouth bass, crappies, pike.

1068
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 7: It just it was super cool and we did it

1069
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 7: all by just doing what you and I have talked

1070
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 7: about looking in those deep poles adjacent to the weed lines. Yeah,

1071
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 7: and to keep talking. Late three, a lady that as

1072
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 7: an old family friend of ours had told me that

1073
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 7: her son had gotten into some crappies up on this lake.

1074
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 7: So because on Saturday I had kept five crappies, I

1075
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 7: brought her the five crappies and I said, all right,

1076
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 7: where was he fishing? And she told me. And I

1077
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 7: went out and popped a bunch of holes, and again

1078
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 7: looking at the lake maps, I was looking for deep

1079
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 7: water adjacent to wheat patches.

1080
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 3: And this lake was a blast.

1081
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 7: The fish weren't as big as the day before, but boy,

1082
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 7: I don't know, fifty sixty bluegills that were small. I

1083
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 7: caught some crappies, caught some large mouth bass, caught some northerns.

1084
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 7: And I came home that night exhausted after three days

1085
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 7: of really given up the old college try. And I

1086
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 7: just told my wife, I'm shocked. I had fun, But

1087
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 7: holy cow, I don't know how I used to do this.

1088
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: Well, Tony, when do you talk about a deep hole

1089
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: adjacent to a weed ad shooting? And that's basically what

1090
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 2: a weed line is. How deep a hole is it

1091
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: just an end in or is it a literal? Is

1092
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: there a lot of feet difference as far as depth, Yeah, there.

1093
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 7: Was quite a bit. So these these weeds on two

1094
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 7: of the lakes, literally I could see the weeds sticking

1095
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 7: out of the ice and so I'm talking, We're in,

1096
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 7: you know, six seven feet of water, and I would

1097
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 7: just drill off those and you'd be six feet six feet,

1098
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 7: seven feet nine feet and then at your next hole,

1099
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 7: you know, ten feet away, was eighteen feet. And when

1100
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 7: I got to that eighteen to twenty foot of water

1101
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 7: kind of right off where it was six and seven feet,

1102
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 7: that's that's where the fish were. And and I mean

1103
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 7: I've seen that on a lot of lakes. But you know,

1104
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 7: as soon as I got into the deeper holes and

1105
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 7: as I drilled across them, you know, it maybe got

1106
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 7: to twenty two feet, and then it started to come

1107
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 7: up into sixteen to fourteen And when I would get

1108
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 7: in the middle of that deep water, that's where the

1109
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 7: fish definitely were congregated.

1110
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 2: What about the weeds. Are the weeds green yet? Are

1111
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: they brown and dying or dead?

1112
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 7: You know, the shallower ones they were not looking real

1113
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 7: healthy kind of brown, you know, with patches of green weeds,

1114
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 7: but this year has been different. The fish have been

1115
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 7: spookier than most years, and the weeds upshallow definitely aren't

1116
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 7: as healthy as they typically are for this early in

1117
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 7: the year.

1118
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: All Right, generalizations, if you're going back to lakes that

1119
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: you've fished before, would you say the fish if you've

1120
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 2: had success in an area as far as memories go,

1121
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 2: would you fish out again? Are the fish back where

1122
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: memories were? Or you need to find them all over again.

1123
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say you need to find them all over again,

1124
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 7: but they are not where I typically find them. There's definitely,

1125
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 7: for whatever reason, the weeds don't seem to be surviving

1126
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 7: as well this winter as they are in some winters,

1127
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 7: so the fish aren't necessarily in this area. They aren't

1128
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 7: relating to the weeds like they typically are. They're in

1129
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 7: a little bit deeper water. I don't know if it's

1130
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 7: just the year or I think as we talked about

1131
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 7: last time. I don't know if it's because the water

1132
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 7: temps were a little bit warmer when we froze this year.

1133
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm certainly not having success fishing memories in

1134
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 7: the weeds. I'm having much more success fishing a little

1135
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 7: bit deeper water.

1136
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: So with that, Tony, the areas that you're finding, my

1137
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 2: memory just went blank.

1138
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 3: I hate it when that happens.

1139
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: But the places you're fishing with, do you have a

1140
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: lot of snow on the ice?

1141
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 3: Would that be why the weeds don't grow? Do you think?

1142
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: Or because around where I've been, we've had patches of

1143
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 2: clean ice and for a while there was no snow

1144
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: and it was all clear ice.

1145
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 7: And we had that earlier. And I will say what

1146
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 7: a difference fifteen miles can make. And I'm fishing right

1147
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 7: in Detroit Lakes area. A lot of these lakes we've

1148
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 7: had snow, but it's been blown clean, and the fish

1149
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 7: are definitely a little bit spookier than typical. You know,

1150
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 7: if you're using forward facing sonar, which a lot of

1151
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 7: us will use to cut the learning curve, when you

1152
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 7: try to drill on top of fish, they're scattering and

1153
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 7: they've been harder to stay on. You get fifteen to

1154
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 7: twenty miles north of town and you're driving on some

1155
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 7: of these lakes and you're driving through a foot of

1156
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 7: snow and it's been it's been super interesting. And those

1157
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 7: were the lakes I was on last weekend, was you know,

1158
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 7: deeper snow. The fish weren't quite as spooky as typical,

1159
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 7: but travel was a little bit tougher than right around

1160
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 7: Detroit Lakes. So definitely know the area if you're going

1161
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 7: to because you know, you get on some of these

1162
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 7: lakes and make sure you've got a toastrap and a

1163
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 7: buddy because there's a good chance of getting stuck.

1164
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 4: Oh goody, Yeah, talk you out of that, didn't.

1165
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 3: It sounds like Devil's Lake years ago?

1166
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? But with are you fishing the same tackle that

1167
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: you've did? And I know that one of your I

1168
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: think it was yours, So you like the love the

1169
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: drop kick jig from clam Are you still fishing at

1170
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: in plastic?

1171
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 7: You know, I do a lot of that. What I've

1172
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 7: been doing on these when I'm just out searching, I'm

1173
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 7: throwing on a spoon. I'm using a little rattling blade

1174
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 7: spoon and I was tipping it with waxies just because

1175
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,799
Speaker 7: I feel like I can fish a lot faster. I'm

1176
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 7: not so much trying to refine my bike. I'm just

1177
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 7: looking for life. So that rattling blade spoon gets down there.

1178
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 7: If the water stained fish can see it from a distance,

1179
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 7: I can hear it, and so I'm sticking with a

1180
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 7: spoon right now to hop around and then once I

1181
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 7: kind of find life. You know, hey, I caught a bass,

1182
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 7: or i caught a pike, and I'm seeing some marks.

1183
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 7: Then I'm dropping down to a smaller jig, whether it's

1184
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 7: a drop kick, the duck bill dropper. I'm a big

1185
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 7: fan of throwing on a plastic I still like the

1186
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 7: MACI XL and I'll throw that on oor a waxworm

1187
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 7: and get down and get to work.

1188
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 2: Will you pull, say a one man fish house clan behind.

1189
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 7: You, you know, the way the wind's been blowing lately.

1190
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 7: I've got just a Jason Mitchell one man flip over

1191
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 7: that I do bring with me. But I find a

1192
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 7: lot of times when i'm in search mode, I'm using

1193
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 7: it more to haul my gear out and I'm just grinding.

1194
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 7: You know, I've got I've got my delta suit on

1195
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 7: and it acts like a fish house.

1196
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 5: You.

1197
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 7: I'll turn your back to the wind, flip up that hood,

1198
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 7: and get back to it. It brought me back to

1199
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 7: when I was a little bit younger, and it kind

1200
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 7: of ignited my passion again a little bit more to

1201
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 7: get out there and just grind at it. It's been

1202
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 7: a lot of fun. And if you're willing to just

1203
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 7: get out there and do the work, there are fish

1204
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 7: to be caught. And we've still got, you know, potentially

1205
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 7: three three and a half more months of life season.

1206
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 4: You warned them up now, Really, he just turned his

1207
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,560
Speaker 4: microphone off and walk away.

1208
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 3: Oh wonderful, that's a pleasant thoughts.

1209
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 7: You know, I've it's been a number of years. Bel

1210
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 7: I'm fortunate and I'm blessed to have kids that are

1211
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 7: involved in sports and doing this. But hockey. It's been hockey, hockey, hockey.

1212
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 7: And now this last week my son sustained an injury

1213
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 7: to his shoulder, so he had a weekend where he

1214
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 7: couldn't play hockey. He'll be out for a few weeks.

1215
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 7: And I said, you know, I got out there and

1216
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 7: did the grind myself. And oh, boy, said, if I

1217
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 7: would have known my weekends are going to be this free,

1218
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 7: maybe I would have intered that shoulder myself.

1219
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 3: Nobody heard that.

1220
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 7: I'm getting it as a joke and.

1221
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, are Tony are you fishing today?

1222
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 7: No, you know it is minus four and windy. Real.

1223
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 7: I actually went for a drive. I'm on the south

1224
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 7: east side of a big Detroit just looking out and

1225
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 7: the wind is blowing and the drifts are are definitely

1226
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 7: out here. So no, it's going to be a day

1227
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 7: stuck at the hockey rink or or at the hockey

1228
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 7: rink watching my son's team play a couple of games.

1229
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 7: And so it's a good day to just hunker down

1230
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 7: for old Tony. I did the grind last weekend and

1231
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 7: it's going to be just enjoy the hockey thing.

1232
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 3: Well, you said it earlier. He's just not that mad

1233
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:30,879
Speaker 3: at him anymore.

1234
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 7: I know I I truly am not. But let me

1235
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 7: tell you it did. It did kind of rejuvenate me

1236
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 7: a little bit, having a few days to go explore.

1237
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 7: And I had a friend yesterday call and he's on

1238
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 7: a lake that he'd never been on, and I got

1239
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 7: excited to kind of look at the lake map and say,

1240
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 7: you know, I try here, and try here, and today

1241
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 7: when he's out there grinding it out, and you're gonna be.

1242
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 3: Updates today, Tony.

1243
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: Thanks again, man. I appreciate your time, and I love

1244
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: the insight and it's fun to talk to you.

1245
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 7: Appreciate you guys, and have a good weekend. We will

1246
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 7: be in touch again.

1247
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: We will Tony Mariotti up in the Detroit Lakes area.

1248
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 3: A lot of lakes up there.

1249
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 2: If you want to head up and and have some

1250
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 2: fun or just try your luck and get really mad

1251
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: at him again.

1252
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 4: It is fun, you know, trying a new lake and

1253
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: having no idea. Yeah, what's underneath that ice. That's kind

1254
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 4: of the way I go about my whole life.

1255
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 3: No idea, what's coming around the bed, And sometimes I

1256
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 3: might just goes blake. We'll take a pause to me

1257
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: back with one more segment. Right after this.

1258
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: Last segment, and that's the music we were playing, and

1259
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 2: Brett was waiting for me to say that my voice

1260
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:17,839
Speaker 2: has kind.

1261
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 3: Of left me this morning.

1262
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 4: I was wondering, if you're going through the beginnings of puberty.

1263
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 3: It could be. I have no idea. I am. Oh gosh,

1264
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 3: I hope not. Your voice changes. Comment your voice is

1265
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 3: a little high.

1266
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, You're welcome.

1267
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 3: Oh heavens.

1268
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 2: Hey, what do you think back on on bird hunting

1269
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: this last year? Did as far as your expectations, did

1270
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: Minnesota's bird pheasant peasant meet to exceed or.

1271
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 3: Disappoint?

1272
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 4: Uh In With the backdrop of our cold, well or

1273
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 4: very wet spring. They the hunting season exceeded my expectations

1274
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 4: in Minnesota. I wouldn't categorize it as the glory days

1275
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 4: by any stretch, you know. I think back to when

1276
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 4: I got my first bird dog as an adult, you know,

1277
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 4: of my own, and that that would have been Trammel,

1278
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 4: you know. And you think about the high point of

1279
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 4: CRP in Minnesota, which is that six O seven and eight. Yeah,

1280
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 4: that's the frozen squirrel era of our relationship, stuck in

1281
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 4: a ditch era there. I don't know the number exactly

1282
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 4: right off the top of my head, but it was

1283
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 4: like one point you know, let's say one point three

1284
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 4: million acres this year pe in Minnesota and Minnesota. In

1285
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 4: oh six, I think we harvested almost six hundred thousand

1286
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 4: roosters in Minnesota.

1287
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 3: That was the good old days.

1288
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 7: You know.

1289
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 4: That was better than any generation since the sixties. So

1290
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 4: long winded answered, last year was good, but it wasn't

1291
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 4: out of this world.

1292
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

1293
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 2: One for me to look back is not fair because

1294
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: I look too well. You go to the era of

1295
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: the Spoonhouger.

1296
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 3: I do, and I have vivid memories of those years.

1297
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 3: But I also remember a year that there was no Alexandria.

1298
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 3: Douglas County closed pheasant hunting, one county close really because

1299
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Speaker 3: they wanted to increase the bird numbers.

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Speaker 4: Was that after this the winter that Dennis was talking

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01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 4: about earlier in the fifties, that it all blends together,

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01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 4: doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: But what came of that was you can close the season,

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: but it didn't change anything, which brings it right back

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01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 2: to habitat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 4: Well, and the thing about pheasants, compared to so many

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 4: other species, at least the birds you can hunt or

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01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 4: you are only allowed to hunt the males, and that

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01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 4: has a significant positive when it comes to you know

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Speaker 4: else hens coming into nesting season and reproducing, you know,

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01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 4: and you don't need a whole lot of males in

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01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 4: the population to maintain or grow.

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Speaker 3: You need additional females.

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01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 4: Right, hate a good hatch, right habitat coming through winter, and.

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01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 3: The good hatch often is the weather related habitat. But

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01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 3: then when you have some some good habitat, there's pockets

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01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 3: of birds, but it is weather related, you get and

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01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 3: now we've got such weather extremes that it's really hard

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01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: to count on.

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01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 4: Well, and I think human nature is to think about.

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01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 4: You know, when it comes to pheasants, that the winter

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01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 4: has a more significant impact on populations winter weather than spring,

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01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 4: and I think that's the opposite. I think spring weather

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01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 4: being positive for reproduction. You know, if you have good

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 4: spring weather and there's you know, eleven eggs in that

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01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 4: clutch and they all hatch, you can have a hockey

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01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 4: stick like growth in populations.

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01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: The other thing too, that I think we all need

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01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: to keep in mind is if you look at the

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01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: habitat that still exists, a lot of it is there's

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01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: a lot of grassland, there's a lot of CRP, but

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01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of permanent habitat in wetlands, cattail slews

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01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: that collect water hold water and on a extreme rain event,

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01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 2: the water gathers where the birds are going to nest,

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:33,839
Speaker 2: and that is that's tough on them if it doesn't.

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01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: Timing is everything everything. And if if I think back

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01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: on this the year that what just was? I go

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01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: back to our opener because it was fun, but it

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01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: was kind of fun.

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01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: It was funny.

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01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 4: It's going to be fun no matter what when we

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01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,759
Speaker 4: get the hills the brand family together.

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01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 3: But it's also fun because I took getting in shape

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01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,839
Speaker 3: more seriously this last year and prior to the season,

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01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: because the year before I didn't really have much, but

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01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 3: I didn't and I was hurting. Yeah, well, you look

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 3: at the circumstances.

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01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 4: He had a pupp that was struggling two years ago

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01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 4: and in snap and passed away, and that was incentive

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01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 4: for you, even more incentive for you to get in

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01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 4: shape for your younger pup.

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01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:30,839
Speaker 3: As you entered this season.

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01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 4: I've been meaning to ask you, do you have do

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01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 4: you have aspirations of a spring puppy in the hill

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01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 4: the brand house?

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01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 3: You know? I don't know, depends on what deb says.

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01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 2: Well, no, it depends yes, you know, yes, well yes

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01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: and no, uh huh, I'm not so sure.

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01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:54,759
Speaker 3: I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because as soon as the puppy comes in, then

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01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: a lot of attention goes to the young dog. And

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01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 2: I've got a four year old breed that's just starting

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01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: to come into her own bell when she was just

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01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 2: started and just all of a sudden, some light kicked

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01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: on for that little dog. She's four years old, and

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01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: then she got ill and died, but the light had

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01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: just come Honest to god, it just came on and

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: she was just a machine, and I watched her chase

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01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: down a cripple and plowed field and it was nothing

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: but elbows and dirt, I mean, and she was making turns,

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01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 2: sharp turns, and that bird got into the grass bell

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01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 2: right after her and came out with that bird very

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01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: much alive in her mouth and brought it back that

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01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 2: I just looked at the sky and said, thank you God.

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01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: This is incredible. And within days after that I lost her.

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01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 2: And now with Breed, it's starting.

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01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 3: To turn on. Yeah, it turned on this year. Yeah,

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 3: it's so much fun. Yeah. Yeah.

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01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 4: And she kind of took a back seat during snaps

1381
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 4: older years, so now you're feeling like I got to

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01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 4: give her prime attention.

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01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: Well, and you got one dog that's exceptional, and you

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01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 2: got a young dog who is kind of.

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01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 3: A kind of a hothead.

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01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 4: Still he's talking about your dog or your co host

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01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 4: all that, No, my dog, at least on the air.

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01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 2: Well I didn't say that, But you always gravitate which

1389
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: dog do you.

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01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: Follow when they split up in their birds. I've watched you.

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough choice. Do you go with the

1392
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 4: dog you most trusted, the dog, the dog that needs

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01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 4: the validation the one.

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01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 2: Time that comes to mind, the dog that was young,

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01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 2: that needs the validation.

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01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: I didn't follows, that's what the bird was. Yeah, yeah,

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01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 3: so that's the lesson learned for the hunting. But now

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01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 3: Bri is doing that.

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01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: And it was really fun because my grandson Jack and

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01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: he was walking along.

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01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 3: The edge the field edge.

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01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 2: Of a wildlife area and I was not too far

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01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: away from him, and Erica's dad was down in the

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01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: grass and all of a sudden Jack raised his hand

1405
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,799
Speaker 2: wildly and I looked over and said.

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01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 3: He's froze. She's froze six. So that was maybe one

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01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 3: of his first ever walks with you. Yeah, yeah, wow.

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01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 2: And to see the birds, see the dog doing one point,

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01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: and I went up and I explained that we followed

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01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: the dog and a hen got up, So why didn't

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01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 2: you shoot when we're talking about hens and roosters? And

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01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: so I said, now, if if Brie freezes again, let

1413
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 2: me know, okay, because she's on point and there's a

1414
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 2: bird or a scent that she smells.

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01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 3: It was so much fun.

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01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, wait to Jack gets his first whiff of a skunk.

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01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 3: There you go, spoiler. I'd sorry better that can get sprayed. Yeah,

1418
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 3: we've been there. Before. That's true.

1419
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:36,799
Speaker 2: It's those those little lights that come on. But she's froze, Mama, Papa,

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01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: and that's that's worth its weight to me in gold Yeah,

1421
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 2: I don't need to shoot.

1422
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 3: I've shot enough birds. I shot two this year, a

1423
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 3: silly shot time I fired my gun really opening day,

1424
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 3: the bang bang kind of missed a couple of port Yeah,

1425
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 3: I might have hit one, but I missed one for sure.

1426
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 3: But that was those were the shots that I had. Yeah,

1427
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 3: well you started the season us right.

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01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1429
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 3: It was fun.

1430
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's always fun, but it's more fun through

1431
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 2: the eyes of a youngster. And because you know you're

1432
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: planning a seed, whether it be fishing or hunting, that

1433
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 2: if you nurture, it is going to grow into something

1434
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: that's going to last a lifetime. My dad did it

1435
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 2: to me. I did it with both Eric and Chad.

1436
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 2: And now if Jack and maybe his sister she's into

1437
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 2: it also, she's into fishing, maybe she'll get the same way.

1438
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 3: That would be cool. I would like that.

1439
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 4: But anyway, so as you think about you started off

1440
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 4: with Britney's as a kid, then you went to Golden's

1441
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 4: as a young adult. Through most of your adult shood

1442
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 4: then the last fifteen years swung back to Brittany's you

1443
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 4: to go off the bingo car and get a small

1444
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 4: monster land your next No, you're not, No, you talk

1445
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 4: about it.

1446
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 3: At one point, family is voting for another Golden. Oh

1447
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 3: did the family get a vote? No, it's my vote.

1448
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 3: I am a dictatorship. In what direction will you go?

1449
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 2: I'll go exactly to say, you'll go to Brittany, of course.

1450
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 4: So which which elements of the family are voting for

1451
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 4: the Golden pretty much? Obviously, Eric, Yeah, deb Yeah, deb

1452
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 4: is voting for Golden. There's more hair. Well, no, that's

1453
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 4: not true. Brittany and Golden have about the same amount

1454
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 4: of hair.

1455
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:37,879
Speaker 3: They're kind of wild, the Brittany.

1456
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 2: The Brittany is and kind of a mindless entity for

1457
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 2: a while.

1458
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 3: Again, are you talking about the dog of your coast?

1459
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 3: But we we did.

1460
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: I've got Chad's two dogs right now too, And they

1461
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: were in the backyard. Well, Debbie was calling and nobody

1462
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: was paying any attention. So I had to get involved

1463
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,799
Speaker 2: in it, and they paid attention. But there's a difference

1464
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: in the tone of voice.

1465
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's asking or requesting versus demanding.

1466
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, that's it.

1467
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the music is playing, which means I got to

1468
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: say thank you to Denny Fletcher, to Dennis Anderson, to

1469
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: Tony Mariotti, and thank you for allowing us to travel

1470
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 2: with you on this chilly morning.

1471
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 3: I hope your weekend is good.

1472
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: But for Brett Lakemore, my executive producer, who's looking behind him.

1473
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 2: Get Dave Sinecon, who is right around the corner, so

1474
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 2: keep it here. For Bob Saint Pierre, my co host,

1475
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 2: and sometimes nice.

1476
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 3: As a good guy.

1477
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 2: I'm Billy Hildebrand saying, have a wonderful weekend and keep

1478
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,440
Speaker 2: it right here in the fan till next Saturday, six am,

1479
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 2: TATA