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Speaker 4: program as usual. Hue how are.

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Speaker 3: You man, I'm doing great, guys. What's happening?

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Speaker 4: Not much lots to talk about with the Seahawks. Why

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Speaker 4: don't we just start there? And you know, going back

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Speaker 4: to the game with the Jaguars on Sunday, I wanted

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Speaker 4: to hit you on one thing about the sacks the

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Speaker 4: Seahawks had against Jacksonville, because that was a Jaguar offensive

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Speaker 4: line that had only surrendered six sacks the entire year,

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Speaker 4: and then Mike McDonald's defense got him for seven despite

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Speaker 4: having a large majority of their secondary out in that

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Speaker 4: game on Sunday. So did they find something, you think

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Speaker 4: on Sunday where we can now expect these guys to

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Speaker 4: be a forced pass rush wise or was that just

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought that Jacksonville really struggled.

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Speaker 5: I think their left tackle Walter Little, really struggled. And

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Speaker 5: yet I think that there was some elements of it.

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Speaker 5: To me watching the tape, It wasn't just the defensive

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Speaker 5: route concept. I think Seattle was also a lot better

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Speaker 5: in coverage, so that often you had Lawrence who didn't

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Speaker 5: have his first option open, and so now he's going

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Speaker 5: an entire page filled, every single line of the notes

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Speaker 5: of those seven sacks. You say, Okay, what what can

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Speaker 5: we condense? I'd say, first of all, you look at

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Speaker 5: the the the time. The NFL tracks the time to

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Speaker 5: the sack, and these were the numbers. Six point two seconds,

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Speaker 5: then three point four seconds, three point one, four point three,

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Speaker 5: The average throw is two point six seconds, so all

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Speaker 5: of you know, there wasn't a lot of fast sacks

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Speaker 5: you had to have the coverage and that was there.

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Speaker 5: It was vastly improved. And then I think that I

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Speaker 5: think that you had Leonard Williams had his worst game

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Speaker 5: think the motivation was improved. I thought DeMarcus Lawrence, holy cow,

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Speaker 5: then from a scheme standpoint, guys lots of stunts. Instead

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Speaker 5: It wasn't just a pass rush and the scheme Mike

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Speaker 5: Murphy had a sack where he was doing a stunt.

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Speaker 5: But you look and you say, that's a Mike McDonald.

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of that stuff going on.

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Speaker 6: Well, de Marcus Lawrence just isn't aside here.

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Speaker 7: He must have listened to our post game show off

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Speaker 6: You said, DeMarcus Lawrence must be.

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Speaker 7: Freaking Lawrence Taylor because of how the bad the pass

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Speaker 4: For one week.

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Speaker 7: He looked more like freaking Lawrence Taylor. You mill enjoyed us.

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Speaker 7: Speaking of sacks, he let's go to the other side of

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Speaker 7: the football. Why does Sam Darnold have only seven sacks

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Speaker 5: Well, there's an awareness there in terms of where the

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Speaker 5: of other former coaches and gms, you know you better

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Speaker 5: Now you can say there's other components to it, but

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: But what you saw is that Brady had a sense,

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Speaker 5: Brady had a sense where he could look at a

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Speaker 5: all of his focus was trying to get a completion

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Speaker 5: I've got pressure my right guard, you know, just got beat.

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Speaker 3: Now. He would just.

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Speaker 5: Immediately, without even looking, he would just go boom, I'm

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Speaker 3: And it's that awareness.

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Speaker 5: Well I had Sam Darnold, I literally in my notes

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Speaker 5: as I went Tom Brady awareness on that checkdown. He

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Speaker 5: and it was exactly as I just described, immediate pressure

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Speaker 5: So you.

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Speaker 3: Don't have to wind up. Just just started over there.

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Speaker 3: But you have to know where.

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Speaker 5: He is and you have to almost have have you

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Speaker 5: what I'm doing, Boom, it's right there. And and we've

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Speaker 5: seen that from Darnold and his ability to uh to

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Speaker 3: It's been top shelf.

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Speaker 4: Let me let me play a clip here for you, Hugh,

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Speaker 4: because I want to get your thoughts on Kubiak and

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Speaker 7: Think by far the number one team in the league

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Speaker 3: And what goes into defending that?

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Speaker 8: And see out or they're good at the play action

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Speaker 8: done a really good job, starting with Kenneth Walkers in

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Speaker 8: And now Donald's done a good job of getting on

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Speaker 4: So I've got some reactions to that, but I'm not

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Speaker 4: the guest of honor you are, so you tell us

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Speaker 4: when you hear Tamiko Ryan say that, what's your reaction

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Speaker 5: I think that first of all, that's a coach that

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Speaker 5: But I just think Jackson Smith and Jigba he's got

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Speaker 5: But but but there's there's there's a uh, there's some

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Speaker 5: They ran it twice. They got a what was it,

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Speaker 5: We haven't seen the shape like that from them. And

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Speaker 5: That's just a fact that it's opinion, but I viewed

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Speaker 4: We saw that in the Niner game for sure. I

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Speaker 4: over to you, do any thoughts on the Tamiico Ryan CJ.

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Speaker 5: I just think that their defense can play. They have

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Speaker 5: for the entire year, and they Detexans were able to

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Speaker 5: pick them off four times, never been done in history.

438
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Speaker 5: A guy in one game throws more picks in a

439
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Speaker 5: playoff game than he had in the entire regular season.

440
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Speaker 5: And so so when that happens, you're seeing defenders that

441
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Speaker 5: are really looking to be almost borderline on sound. They're

442
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Speaker 5: gonna jump balls. And he say, wait a minute, what

443
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Speaker 5: would have happened if they would have done a stutter

444
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Speaker 5: go on you on that play? Yeah, you got the interception,

445
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Speaker 5: but hang on that. That doesn't look really sound to me.

446
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Speaker 5: And then they just they kind of put their palms

447
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Speaker 5: up and they say, well, I'm glad they didn't run

448
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Speaker 5: a stutter go. So, but that's got to be something

449
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Speaker 5: that that Sam Darnold of course, and Clint Kubiak are

450
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Speaker 5: aware of, is just how much are they jumping things?

451
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Speaker 5: And can you make them pay for playing unsound defense?

452
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Speaker 4: Yes, it's fine. I just looked at CJ.

453
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Speaker 7: Stroud and didn't realize he was only twenty four years

454
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Speaker 7: of age, even though he's in his third season. Great

455
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Speaker 7: first year numbers considerably dipped last year, but now it's

456
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Speaker 7: back up to seventy one percent completion, eight touchdowns, three interceptions,

457
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Speaker 7: one O two.

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Speaker 6: Passer rating how much you liked CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud and what.

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Speaker 6: Happened to him last year.

461
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Speaker 5: Well, I think the refrain when I watched them, everything

462
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Speaker 5: that was said about their offensive line was a factor.

463
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Speaker 5: I think that he was bothered more by poor protection.

464
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Speaker 5: He had injuries at the wide receiver position. I think

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Speaker 5: I like him as a player because, particularly his rookie year,

466
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Speaker 5: he had the pension to go down the field. Like

467
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Speaker 5: to me, he's like a legitimate sophisticated NFL quarterback. And

468
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Speaker 5: what I mean by that, I do not think that

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Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts is a sophisticated NFL quarterback. I think I

470
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Speaker 5: think he runs a high school offense. I think that

471
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Speaker 5: when if he doesn't see his first read, he just

472
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Speaker 5: he just runs and and so you know, he reminds

473
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Speaker 5: me of a gussied up high school quarterback. That's Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 5: When when I watch uh CJ. Stroud, you know, when

475
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Speaker 5: he's at his best, I mean that that guy is processing.

476
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Speaker 5: He's looking to go hunting, big game, hunting down the field.

477
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 5: He uses his legs only when needed. He's athletic enough.

478
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Speaker 5: You know, he's not an elite athlete, but he can

479
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Speaker 5: make every throw in the in the passing tree. So

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Speaker 5: I am much more drawn as a fan to CJ.

481
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Speaker 5: Stroud's style of quarterbacking when he's on than I am

482
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Speaker 5: to Jalen Hurts and some of the rest. So I

483
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Speaker 5: think that, Yeah, I like the kid, and I think

484
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Speaker 5: he's been getting better protection now and he's in year

485
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Speaker 5: three and he's bouncing back.

486
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Speaker 4: Here. We got about five minutes here Michigan forty one

487
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Speaker 4: years ago. We're looking to do the same, looking for

488
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Speaker 4: DeMont Williams to walk into the Big House and get

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Speaker 4: a win. And John Wilder was on with us, and

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Speaker 4: he thinks the Huskies are gonna win this game. It's

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Speaker 4: a Michigan defense that is not like they were a

492
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Speaker 4: couple of years ago. They're number three in the Big

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Speaker 4: ten and rushing, but they're thirteenth and passing at eleventh

494
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Speaker 4: overall in total d and just gave up one hundred

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Speaker 4: and sixty yards to walk on for USC and a

496
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Speaker 4: guy named King Miller last week. And I'm just drooling

497
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Speaker 4: to see what DeMont Williams can do against this Michigan defense.

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Speaker 4: So talk to us about what your advice would be

499
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Speaker 4: for Demant, because you've been there, you know what it takes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think things were a little different because

501
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Speaker 5: in eighty four the Wolverines were ranked second and they

502
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Speaker 5: had just beat the national champion, the form Miami Hurricans.

503
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Speaker 5: And so I'm watching the tape and the Michigan defense

504
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 5: picked off Bernie Cozar six times.

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Speaker 3: So I I you know, every with every interception.

506
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Speaker 5: When I watched, I said, well, don't do that, don't

507
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Speaker 5: do that, right, So I think that Washington and their preparation,

508
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 5: they're gonna see a beatable team. I don't I don't

509
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Speaker 5: think they're playing with great emotion. I think that they

510
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Speaker 5: haven't really found themselves after Harbaugh left, and and we've

511
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Speaker 5: seen what Demon Williams can do with against anything other

512
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Speaker 5: than very elite defenses. I mean, he can shred like

513
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Speaker 5: nobody against if you're not an A level defense, he

514
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Speaker 5: can really clown you, right, And so I think there's

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Speaker 5: a great chance you go in there.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: It's a particularly difficult stadium to play because of the construction.

518
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 5: It's more in kind of a bowl, and the and

519
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 5: the noise goes up as opposed to steep crowd where

520
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 5: the noise comes down on you. So now they're densely packed.

521
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Speaker 5: It's it's the most densely packed stadium. When you look

522
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Speaker 5: at it, you go, oh my god, one grenade would

523
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Speaker 5: kill like forty thousand people. So it's there's a unique

524
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Speaker 5: there's a unique h Hey, listen, when you're going to play,

525
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Speaker 5: you gotta sometimes you got to get into these war metaphors.

526
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Speaker 4: But that's what it's how many people would die in

527
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Speaker 4: a stadium if a grenade went off. But Michigan's on

528
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Speaker 4: the top of the list hotly.

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Speaker 3: One grenade would kill more Michigan fans than any other Yes.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, So in an event, that's just an observation.

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Speaker 3: I don't know it was.

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Speaker 5: I think that it's a very able game for Washington

533
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Speaker 5: and Demon Williams. You know, you go back and you say, okay,

534
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Speaker 5: what were the mistakes that you made against Ohio State.

535
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Speaker 5: I thought that there was a really good game plan

536
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Speaker 5: to take the nakeds away, a five down defensive alignment

537
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 5: that where the ends on the opposite side of the

538
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Speaker 5: running backs were really coming up the field to stop

539
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Speaker 5: the booty. They double covered Danzel Boston down in the

540
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Speaker 5: red zone. In ways it really seemed to stemy the

541
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Speaker 5: Husky offense in that regard, So I think that they

542
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Speaker 5: probably say, hey, if we learn our lessons from how

543
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Speaker 5: those Ohio State athletes defended us, if we can if

544
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Speaker 5: we can be sharp there, Well, the Michigan isn't going

545
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Speaker 5: to be as sharp as good as Ohio State, presumably

546
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Speaker 5: on defense. So I think there's a sensational chance to

547
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Speaker 5: go in and get another.

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Speaker 6: W got to ask you about Kurt Signetti.

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Speaker 7: Are you surprised he's staying at Indiana or would you

550
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 7: thought that he might jump to Happy Valley.

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Speaker 5: I think it's great for college football. I'm a little

552
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Speaker 5: but twelve million is a lot of money.

553
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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 5: You know, sometimes guys they feel like, hey, I've got

555
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Speaker 5: everything that I want here, don James. I mean, I

556
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 5: talked to Carol uh you know, right after Caitlyn went

557
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 5: to Alabama. I, you know, I just want to reacquaint

558
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Speaker 5: myself with the circumstance.

559
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Speaker 3: Called Carol up and said.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you know, I know coach James was rumored to

561
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Speaker 5: have been, you know, contacted by teams, and she she

562
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Speaker 5: walked me through.

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Speaker 3: For example, Ohio State.

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Speaker 5: Uh DJ had a meeting with Ohio State only because

565
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Speaker 5: the athletic director says, hey, come on, you know, just

566
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Speaker 5: meet me. I need to at least tell my boosters

567
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Speaker 5: that I met with you. He says, okay, but I'm

568
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Speaker 5: not going to sign. So he goes back. They meet

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Speaker 5: in a clandestine spot. Carrol said somewhere in Ohio. Wasn't

570
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Speaker 5: in Columbus. And then he flew back and he said, hey,

571
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Speaker 5: I've got everything I want at Washington. Well, when you

572
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Speaker 5: have those type of values, guess what you get a

573
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Speaker 5: statue in front of a stadium for you. And Siggs

574
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Speaker 5: may have had something like that. I'm not in his head.

575
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Speaker 5: I don't know if he's comment in on it, but

576
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Speaker 5: he may have had. We can make some inferences about

577
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Speaker 5: his decision. He may have said, hey, look I got

578
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 5: everything I need here, you know, and I can build

579
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 5: a winner here. So so I obviously, like everybody, I

580
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: can't imagine that anybody would say that's not good for

581
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Speaker 5: college football. What he's done there, and the fact that

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Speaker 5: he's willing to stay there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good for him. All right, man, listen, great stuff

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Speaker 4: and enjoy the weekend, enjoy the game tomorrow the Hawks Monday,

585
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Speaker 4: and we will talk soon.

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Speaker 3: Man preciate thanks you rock and roll hammer down guys.

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Speaker 4: how are you pal?

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Speaker 10: Well? Well, well we meet again.

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Speaker 4: Hey, listen, I apologize for last week. The game went long.

605
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Speaker 4: I thought we could fit you in. We didn't. It's

606
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Speaker 4: my fault, and I apologize profusely for making you hang

607
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Speaker 4: last last week. Michael. It'll never happen again. How's that?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 11: There's certain frustrations in this job, sometimes you have player

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Speaker 11: only meetings and other players there either later they don't

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Speaker 11: show up at all.

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Speaker 4: Well, and we appreciate you. You're a professional, yes, he is.

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Speaker 4: Those guys are punks, he is, you're a profession Well

614
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Speaker 4: let's uh, let's talk about a guy that called out

615
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Speaker 4: of his teammates the other day and then apologize for

616
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 4: it to a Tango Byloa after the loss over the weekend,

617
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Speaker 4: says guys are late, they're not coming to meetings, they

618
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Speaker 4: don't give a damn. And then today's says, oh, I'm sorry. Well,

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Speaker 4: maybe that's exactly what Miami needed was to a doing

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Speaker 4: that last week. So tell me about the relationship between

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Speaker 4: Tua and Mike McDaniel and whose seat is hotter in Miami,

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Speaker 4: Tua or the coach.

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Speaker 11: When I first heard the comments, I thought that possibly

624
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Speaker 11: Tua has tried to communicate directly with players and that

625
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 11: didn't work, so he opted to take it public.

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Speaker 10: Aaron Rodgers, I believe.

627
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Speaker 11: Has done that in the past when young receivers weren't

628
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Speaker 11: doing what he thought young receivers needed to do.

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Speaker 10: But then McDaniel followed.

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Speaker 11: To and clumsily tried to explain it away. As direct communication. Well,

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Speaker 11: it's not direct communication. It's in direct communication through the media,

632
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Speaker 11: and it creates a problem. By the next day McDaniel

633
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 11: had seen and heard what Tuas said and he acknowledged

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Speaker 11: he shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 10: That wasn't the time for it.

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Speaker 11: But today when Sua said what we fully expected him

637
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Speaker 11: to say that he shouldn't have done it, and he

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Speaker 11: apologized for it. The question that has been obscured by

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Speaker 11: all of this, who was he talking about? We don't

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Speaker 11: know who he was talking about.

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Speaker 10: And one of the reporters.

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Speaker 11: Very adroitly asked the question, who are the leaders on

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Speaker 11: the offensive side of the.

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Speaker 10: Ball, and he started rattling off names.

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Speaker 11: So it's not those guys. So if you guys got

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Speaker 11: exempted indirectly from being responsible for not doing what they

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Speaker 11: need to do. But other than the guys he named,

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Speaker 11: any of them, some of them, maybe all of them,

649
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Speaker 11: are the ones who aren't leading and clearly aren't following.

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Speaker 10: So there's still an issue there. And as to the

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Speaker 10: hot speat question, I.

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Speaker 11: Think Mike McDaniel was on a very hot.

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Speaker 10: Seat right now.

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Speaker 11: I'd say he's the most likely to be the next

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Speaker 11: to be fired. Two his contract is fully guaranteed through

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Speaker 11: next year. They really screwed this up. In twenty twenty four,

657
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Speaker 11: they ripped up this fifth year option of twenty three

658
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Speaker 11: million and change, and they gave him a three year

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Speaker 11: contract that pays out more than one hundred and fifty million,

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Speaker 11: fully guaranteed.

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Speaker 10: They had no reason to do that.

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Speaker 11: Let him play out the option, and if he plays

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Speaker 11: Light's out, franchise tag and if he plays Lights out,

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Speaker 11: tag him again, and all that combined is like one

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Speaker 11: hundred and ten millions, not one hundred and fifty and

666
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Speaker 11: they still would have had him for three years, and

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Speaker 11: they would have the ability to cut the cord whenever

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Speaker 11: they wanted to. They blew this, and I think it's

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Speaker 11: time for Steven Ross to hit the reset button and

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Speaker 11: clear out everyone GM head coach and the new head coach.

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Speaker 11: You know, he doesn't have to play to it. He

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Speaker 11: has to pay him. But I think by next year,

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Speaker 11: week one, we're going to see, or at least we

674
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Speaker 11: should see new DM, new coach, new quarterback across the

675
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Speaker 11: board in Miami and they'll start over once again.

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Speaker 7: So Mike Tomlin's very confused as to what Cleveland was

677
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Speaker 7: doing trading their starting quarterback to a division arrival. Does

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Speaker 7: he have a point or is he just kind of

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Speaker 7: trying to fire up his team by pumping up Joe

680
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Speaker 7: Flacco's tires before they face the Bengals tomorrow.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think he's rather faced Jake Browning than Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 11: You know, regular season all time Joe Flacco and Mike

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Speaker 11: Tomlin are I believe eleven and eleven and that last

684
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Speaker 11: year beat the Steelers as the backup for the Colts.

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Speaker 11: And Tomlin admitted a few weeks ago that he told

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Speaker 11: his players Keith Anthony Richardson upright because they didn't want

687
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Speaker 11: to see Joe Flacco. And it was in the context

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Speaker 11: of the Vikings starting Carson Wentz over JJ McCarthy. Tomlin

689
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Speaker 11: would rather face an inexperienced quarterback. And look at what

690
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Speaker 11: he's done against young quarterbacks. His record against young quarterback

691
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Speaker 11: is incredible. So I think this is as simple as

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Speaker 11: he'd rather see Jake Browning and he doesn't agree with

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Speaker 11: the way the Browns do business. And look, the Browns

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Speaker 11: made the decision as a matter of basic analytics. They

695
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Speaker 11: were able to upgrade a draft pick, they move on

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Speaker 11: from a player that they didn't want any longer.

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Speaker 10: Who cares if it goes to a division rival. That's

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Speaker 10: the way they look at it. Well, I know who cares.

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Speaker 11: Mike Tomlin cares because now he's got a face, a

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Speaker 11: better quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mike Florio's with us on the radio program. Courtesy

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Speaker 4: is simply Seattle dot com. Be sure and use code

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Speaker 4: KJR fifteen for fifteen percent off anything on the website.

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Speaker 4: And Mike, I may be dreaming. I may be imagining this,

705
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Speaker 4: but I thought you came out with your rankings the

706
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Speaker 4: other day and I thought I saw the Hawks in

707
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Speaker 4: the top ten in your power rankings. I believe you

708
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Speaker 4: had them at number eight, and good for you, because

709
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Speaker 4: they're a fumble away from maybe being a five and

710
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Speaker 4: one football team. Right now, it feels like the league

711
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Speaker 4: is starting to take notice of the Hawks and Sam

712
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Speaker 4: Darnold man.

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Speaker 11: And look, the NFC is very jumbled with a lot

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Speaker 11: of good teams.

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Speaker 10: The AFC is jumbled with a lot of teams that

716
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Speaker 10: we don't know what they are. And we want this

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Speaker 10: as fans.

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Speaker 11: We want parody, we want unpredictability, We want as many

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Speaker 11: teams to be alive as long as possible.

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Speaker 10: To the season.

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Speaker 11: But as somebody who from time to time is expected

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Speaker 11: to know what the hell's going on, I don't like

723
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Speaker 11: this confusion. I mean, there's been like a run of

724
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Speaker 11: seven of eight primetime games.

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Speaker 10: Where it's been an upset.

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Speaker 11: So there's reason to watch tomorrow night because hell, maybe

727
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Speaker 11: the Bengals will beat the Steelers. Teams are more closely packed.

728
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Speaker 11: There is no truly great team. The Bucks at five

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Speaker 11: and one are number one in the power rankings, and

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Speaker 11: they are flawed. The Colts at number two, arguably should

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Speaker 11: be number one because they're the only team that has

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Speaker 11: dominated lesser opponents. You've got other teams who are just

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Speaker 11: barely skating by with teams that they should pummel. So

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Speaker 11: it's packed together tight, and it's going to result in injuries,

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Speaker 11: bad calls which are good calls for the other team,

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Speaker 11: and just weird bounces to the ball that will determine

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Speaker 11: who gets into the playoffs and ultimately who advances the

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Speaker 11: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: Well you're Tony, right, I mean I counted fifteen teams yesterday.

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Speaker 7: I just looked at him. I tilt my head a

741
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Speaker 7: certain way. I could envision them making the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: But speaking of the Super Bowl Mike. Every coach quarterback

743
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Speaker 7: combo that has won at least one Super Bowl together

744
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Speaker 7: won their first Super Bowl within the first five years

745
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Speaker 7: of being together. This is year eight for McDermott and

746
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Speaker 7: Josh Allen. Is Sean McDermott like just Doug Collins or

747
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 7: Mark Jackson like good coaches that can get MJ and

748
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Speaker 7: Steph Curry a couple of rounds deep, but they need

749
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Speaker 7: a Phil Jackson or Steve Kerr to get a title.

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Speaker 11: Well, there's a question in Buffalo that we'll fray a

751
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Speaker 11: lot of nerves within the building when it's raised. Is

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Speaker 11: this a team that is sufficiently talented but not effectively coached,

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Speaker 11: or is this a team that is being coached very

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Speaker 11: well but just isn't very talented. You know, I was

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Speaker 11: surprised the Bills weren't at the front of the line

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Speaker 11: to try to.

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Speaker 10: Get Michael Parsons. I was very surprised.

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Speaker 11: If you're trying to get over the hump, you got

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Speaker 11: to make some bold moves, and they've resisted. In twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty one, Von Miller was available, OBJ was available. The

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Speaker 11: Rams got them both, and arguably they provided the difference

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Speaker 11: to winning a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 10: The Bills weren't interested.

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Speaker 11: At the time in either one. So you got to

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Speaker 11: be ready to make that move to get over the hump.

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Speaker 10: And whether it's talent, whether it's coaching, you.

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Speaker 11: Wonder how many more years into Josh Allen's career, ownership

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Speaker 11: will tolerate being just good enough. And there are teams

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Speaker 11: out there and I'll say we wanted in the super

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Speaker 11: Bowl every single year because they have to say that

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Speaker 11: for some honors.

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Speaker 10: I think it's just good enough to be just good enough.

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Speaker 11: Because the money's the same whether you win the Super

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Speaker 11: Bowl or not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, Mike Flora's with us and Mike going back

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Speaker 4: to last Thursday's game with the Giants and Eagles, and

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Speaker 4: you know, the Jackson Dart thing looked good for him.

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Speaker 4: He looks fine. But what I was kind of taken

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Speaker 4: aback by is the reaction that people had to Russell

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Speaker 4: Wilson entering the game last Thursday, and not just the fans,

781
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Speaker 4: but Dabell could not wait to get his ass off

782
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Speaker 4: the field, goes into the medical tent to try to

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Speaker 4: get Jackson Darts. That was no good. Kirk kirk Street

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Speaker 4: on TV is even kind of like, man, they got

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Speaker 4: to get him out of there. I mean, it's amazing, Mike,

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Speaker 4: What's happened to Russell Wilson. It's like he walked into

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Speaker 4: the wrong bathroom and people were just killing him on

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Speaker 4: Thursday night in New York. How far has Russell Wilson

789
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Speaker 4: fallen since he left Seattle, Oh?

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Speaker 11: In that urgency by day Ball that may result in

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Speaker 11: a massive fine, possibly the loss of the draft pick

792
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Speaker 11: because day Ball entered the mouth of the medical tent

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Speaker 11: camp scattab who actually went inside. Both are violations, both

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Speaker 11: are under investigation, and it was because, as day Ball

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Speaker 11: said after the game, we had a fourth down coming

796
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Speaker 11: up and if he was coming back in the game,

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Speaker 11: I was going to go for it, which means there's

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Speaker 11: no way in hell I'm going for it if the.

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Speaker 10: Other guy is out there.

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Speaker 11: But they saw just enough of Russell Wilson for the

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Speaker 11: first three weeks of the season to know that he just.

802
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Speaker 10: Doesn't have it anymore.

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Speaker 11: And how emasculating and humiliating for a very proud guy

804
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Speaker 11: like Russell Wilson. I'm surprised he hasn't demanded to be traded.

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Speaker 11: I mean, if I'm the Bengals, I make to play

806
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Speaker 11: for him, not Joe Flacco. But this is where we

807
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Speaker 11: are and we'll see what the punishment.

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Speaker 10: Is for the Giants.

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Speaker 11: They got to get Jackson Dark to play a little

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Speaker 11: more within himself, though he did that launch on the

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Speaker 11: sideline at one point.

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Speaker 10: Last Thursday night. You got to stay healthy.

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Speaker 11: Your most important attribute as a potential franchise quarterback is availability.

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Speaker 10: You can't be putting.

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Speaker 11: Yourself at risk for a random yard here or there.

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Speaker 7: How about the sideline incident that happened last week. Your

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Speaker 7: take on the Jonathan gannon physical contact on Imri de

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Speaker 7: Mercado and then the fine that he got subsequently, was

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Speaker 7: it warranted?

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Speaker 10: Is absolutely warrant. There's a line you can't cross.

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Speaker 11: And I know it's a physical sport, but the coaches

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Speaker 11: aren't exerting physicality. They're on the sideline and the way

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Speaker 11: he approached him, it was obvious from the angle that

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Speaker 11: was available, even though it was behind de Marcado and

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Speaker 11: a teammate who was consoling him. You could see contacts

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Speaker 11: being made and then there's a big kind of slap

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Speaker 11: on the arm again and walked away. It's just uncalled

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Speaker 11: for and kudos to the Cardinals were doing what they did.

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Speaker 11: I think the league would have done something. The Union

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Speaker 11: would have insisted on it. If the Cardinals hadn't imposed that, fine,

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Speaker 11: it's just the line you cannot cross. And you know,

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Speaker 11: it was fifty years ago this football season that I

833
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Speaker 11: was a ten year old playing fifth grade football at

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Speaker 11: a grade school, Catholic grade school.

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Speaker 10: In the town where I grew up.

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Speaker 11: And back then, man, if you were standing around, you

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Speaker 11: got the coaches foot.

838
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Speaker 10: Up your ass right, and you got dragged around by

839
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Speaker 10: your face mask.

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Speaker 11: And I mean I still remember stuff like that, and

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Speaker 11: in some ways it fuels me, and in some ways

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Speaker 11: it haunts me.

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Speaker 10: But you just can't do that anymore.

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Speaker 11: To any athlete, whatever the sport is, you can't lay

845
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Speaker 11: hands on people.

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Speaker 10: And and Gannon probably knew.

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Speaker 11: That De Marcado would take it, because if you mess

848
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Speaker 11: with the wrong guy, you're gonna get Latrell's freewell.

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Speaker 10: And you just wonder going forward how that.

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Speaker 11: Settles in in the locker room and how the players

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Speaker 11: view again and after he essentially bullied De Marcado, I.

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Speaker 4: Really hope our friend PJ. Carlismo is not listening right now.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Hey Mike, you're the man, great stuff,

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Speaker 4: and we're talking a week see you, buddy.

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Speaker 10: Unless you don't call.

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Speaker 11: I mean, we'll talk in a week after it, we're

857
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Speaker 11: gonna think we need to do that.

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Speaker 10: From now on, we're.

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Speaker 4: Gonna call guarantee Mike Florio with us. We're gonna break