Speaker 1: By Billy Cunningham, The Great America and talk about the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Later on we had Moe coming up. Plus FC was
Speaker 1: a complete disaster, as was you see Bearcatcher's problems everywhere.
Speaker 1: But in the studio with me right now is Iris,
Speaker 1: Rolie and Iris welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. I
Speaker 1: think for the first time, is that correct?
Speaker 2: That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about what happened last night in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: And on Sunday we had something the range of I
Speaker 1: don't know, seven or eight people were shot, one was murdered.
Speaker 1: According to most of the accounts, the city is ripe
Speaker 1: with violence of one type or another. And as the
Speaker 1: collaborator described to the American people, what your role is
Speaker 1: with the city at this point?
Speaker 3: So Willie, what my role is with the city currently
Speaker 3: is what my role has been almost for twenty five years,
Speaker 3: prior to me signing a contract to be consultant to
Speaker 3: the city manager on you on the work of policing
Speaker 3: public safety, to work through the collaborative. So for twenty
Speaker 3: two years, I just want to say to you and
Speaker 3: your listeners, I dedicated myself. My husband allowed me to
Speaker 3: my husband of thirty one years has allowed me to
Speaker 3: give them myself freely to the work of the Collaborative Agreement,
Speaker 3: so that meant no pay. We had no budget, we
Speaker 3: had no staff, we had nothing. And this was from
Speaker 3: the community's lins. This is from the Black United Front lines,
Speaker 3: the people who came together collective links that we're going
Speaker 3: to sue the city, the FOP in this police alleging
Speaker 3: racial profile. And now, mister Cunningham, I know folks get
Speaker 3: all up in their panties about well, what does that
Speaker 3: mean she's anti police? You're absolutely incorrect. Iris Rowley has
Speaker 3: done work greater than most people in the city, and
Speaker 3: I'm grateful to my spouse and to the Black United
Speaker 3: Front and everybody who's put work into the hands of
Speaker 3: the Collaborative Agreement, including the police.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the police, because as a collaborator of sorts,
Speaker 1: you have to work with different groups. One most important
Speaker 1: groups is the police. Correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had Ken Cobra on the head of the union
Speaker 1: about a month ago on Friday, Ken and he said
Speaker 1: that they have no common in you. They said that
Speaker 1: you involved yourself wrongfully, possibly criminally in arrest. They had
Speaker 1: video of you interfering with the police arrest and they
Speaker 1: have no confidence in you. So if one of the
Speaker 1: main parties of the collaborative is the police, and the
Speaker 1: police don't want to collaborate with.
Speaker 2: You, problem, So yeah, that is a problem.
Speaker 3: So listen, So Willie, I got into this in a
Speaker 3: very hostile rep way, right. So we were at the
Speaker 3: cusp of fifteen unarmed black men being killed at the
Speaker 3: hands of the police. The city had gone through civil unrest,
Speaker 3: major corporations, people didn't want to come. We were asking
Speaker 3: people to boycott downtown Cincinnati, and we downtown tourism and
Speaker 3: we were effective, and the whole world saw the Cincinnati
Speaker 3: was having issues with the black community and the police.
Speaker 3: That's what we rolle into federal court with thirty years
Speaker 3: of problematic policing. Now in the past twenty five years,
Speaker 3: if you got one incident that you're upset with, Iris
Speaker 3: wrote it about, I say, she gets an A plus.
Speaker 1: I have there several incidents.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I've.
Speaker 1: Seen three or four videos.
Speaker 3: No, so don't do that. You saw two videos, and
Speaker 3: you saw two videos. One on a set which I
Speaker 3: was called downtown to help a family who's sixteen year
Speaker 3: old was killed by a fourteen year old.
Speaker 2: So I get up.
Speaker 3: Because I work all the time, I don't know when
Speaker 3: IRIS really gets off. So I'm gonna ask your listeners
Speaker 3: to tell me that because I go from consultant to
Speaker 3: just advocacy and doing what people want all the time.
Speaker 2: Right, that's not fair.
Speaker 3: However, so when I get a call from one of
Speaker 3: my guys, it works on Government Square, and by the way,
Speaker 3: they've been doing phenomenal work. Call me and say, can
Speaker 3: you help the family. They don't know where the body is.
Speaker 3: They don't know this, they don't know that. Get up
Speaker 3: out of my bed, meet them at a thirty in
Speaker 3: the morning. I stand on Main Street for five hours
Speaker 3: outside of the building what his baby was murdered? Right,
Speaker 3: did not even know that? Helping the family to identify
Speaker 3: where the body was. And that's nobody's business but mine.
Speaker 3: I elected to do that as the great person I am,
Speaker 3: as Jesse's wife and his mom, and as a community caregiver.
Speaker 3: This is who I am and this is who I
Speaker 3: have been. So I go there. I help the family.
Speaker 3: We stand outside, Willie outside for five hours. So I
Speaker 3: stand outside, find the baby, find the funeral home, find
Speaker 3: out these things, go around the corner, get something to
Speaker 3: eat because I'm hungry. I'm noticing all these folk walking
Speaker 3: around with cups. They have alcohol, and I'm a contributor.
Speaker 3: I am a tax payer, and I pay attention to
Speaker 3: my town. So folk want to be mad because I
Speaker 3: pay attention to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Well be mad. I have at it.
Speaker 3: But I'm noticing a lot of folk walking around with
Speaker 3: beer and wine and cups.
Speaker 4: To me, is this?
Speaker 2: This is not a door? What's happening? So we leave
Speaker 2: there now?
Speaker 3: Remember I spend five hours go get an Ampanada so
Speaker 3: I can go home now to contend to my business.
Speaker 3: I see right where I'm about to move into because
Speaker 3: I go live on Green and Republic. Try to live
Speaker 3: down there for thirty days so I can do some
Speaker 3: problem solving. But we'll get back to that, because that's
Speaker 3: still part of the destroyer.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get there.
Speaker 3: To you, attorney, no, no, no, I sound like a tax payer.
Speaker 3: I sound like a person who's not whose voice hasn't
Speaker 3: been heard so that you can hear the goodness and
Speaker 3: you can stop trying to find the bad and the
Speaker 3: and the goodness.
Speaker 1: Now, let me say the police don't want to collaborate
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: That's not the police. That's not all the police. It
Speaker 3: was seven people, ten people. So so one of the
Speaker 3: things that I have for you, mister Cunningham, because always
Speaker 3: told you we're gonna try to get me, is I
Speaker 3: literally just got back with now.
Speaker 1: In some chief hand I'm not getting I'm reporting facts
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if his facts because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't talk about collaborate.
Speaker 3: I talked to Can Cobra and he's not said that
Speaker 3: to me. My husband talked to King Cobra. He's not
Speaker 3: said they did. Now I've read it in the newspaper.
Speaker 3: But they have no choice. You said that the police
Speaker 3: are the main character.
Speaker 1: They're not.
Speaker 3: The community is the number one the number one stakeholder
Speaker 3: in the collaborative agreement is.
Speaker 1: The community community, the black community, Cincinnati's majority white city.
Speaker 3: Well, but the majority white city wasn't having fitting on white.
Speaker 2: Men killed at the hands.
Speaker 1: They were all justified.
Speaker 2: No, they were not.
Speaker 1: Which one wasn't other than Steven Roach.
Speaker 3: And and and and in our in our community, That's
Speaker 3: what we were told. They were justified because they were
Speaker 3: no investigations. Mister Cunningham, and I see where you want
Speaker 3: to go, but I'm gonna keep moving us forward. Because
Speaker 3: that's what Cincinnati is and that's what the Collaborative has Actually,
Speaker 3: sure we helped Cincinnati do move forward. Had we not
Speaker 3: built in the framework of sayre and problem solving to
Speaker 3: address public safety and policing issues, we wouldn't have all
Speaker 3: the development. You wouldn't have a downtown that you see
Speaker 3: is vibrant. The Collaborative helped rebuild Cincinnati. And you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, mister Cunningham, but
Speaker 3: the police and I have traveled the country together to
Speaker 3: talk about it. So when you say police, whom are
Speaker 3: you talking about? I just got back from Madison Westconsin.
Speaker 1: You should the FOP said they won't collaborate with you,
Speaker 1: and you're wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, who's FOP?
Speaker 3: I mean there are many there are many members. Well,
Speaker 3: there are many members.
Speaker 2: And you don't have to be the police to be
Speaker 2: an FOP.
Speaker 1: Surely when that happened, there was some The mayor came
Speaker 1: on some of the media and said that they're going
Speaker 1: to meet with you and they're going to identify problems
Speaker 1: when you interfere with an arrest and hopefully that'll get better.
Speaker 1: Did you meet with the mayor about your involvement and
Speaker 1: the arrest of a person that you seem to interfere with.
Speaker 3: Did you get But your facts are wrong. No one
Speaker 3: was arrested. There was a recitable ticket. So that's how
Speaker 3: I know you're speaking from me because your facts are
Speaker 3: not wrong.
Speaker 1: Conference, they're going to get with you and counsel you
Speaker 1: and help you to understand. Did you ever speak to
Speaker 1: the mayor on that issue?
Speaker 2: I'm spoking to the mayor about many issues.
Speaker 1: Did he talk about that issue? Did he change your
Speaker 1: behavior behavior?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, mister. No, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: And here's what I didn't do, because if I broke
Speaker 3: the law, I expect to be arrested, but they did
Speaker 3: not because they just.
Speaker 2: Want to take.
Speaker 1: A problem.
Speaker 2: Well, mister Cunningham, let me tell you what happened.
Speaker 1: By the way, younger than.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you, mister Cunningham, but I'm old enough
Speaker 3: to be respected.
Speaker 2: And so here's the deal.
Speaker 3: If I broke the law, I would expect for any
Speaker 3: officer that I've talked to, and I've talked to way
Speaker 3: more cops than you have. I've talked to way more
Speaker 3: cops than most of the people that you bring in
Speaker 3: your studio. You know, why I can say that, mister Cunningham,
Speaker 3: because I talked to every recruit class. I have done
Speaker 3: that since the year of two thousand and eight. Now
Speaker 3: here's where I think people get their panties in a bunch.
Speaker 3: And forgive me for my colorful language, because I'm very colorified.
Speaker 2: I don't know, so I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: So, so, mister Gunningham, here's what I will say to
Speaker 3: you again in twenty five years if that is the
Speaker 3: issue that you have.
Speaker 2: And I've not killed anyone, I'm not to meet.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3: But if the police say that they because the officer
Speaker 3: officer heard who I spoke to was the same officer twice,
Speaker 3: female cup, I hunt the same officer twice. And I'm
Speaker 3: not going to tell you the story because I don't
Speaker 3: think you're interested in facts. You y'all want a gaslight.
Speaker 3: But that's cool too, because you can do that.
Speaker 1: I report the facts, but.
Speaker 2: The facts were it was a recitable ticket.
Speaker 1: Did the mayor ever talk to you and say, Irish,
Speaker 1: kind of calm down a little bit, don't interfere with
Speaker 1: an arrested and Mary tell you that.
Speaker 3: The mayor, after a peer of all which we should
Speaker 3: re elect has always been concerned with my well being
Speaker 3: and has always been answered. The question has always been policed.
Speaker 3: I am I'm answering the way that I think that
Speaker 3: you deserve an.
Speaker 1: Answer, yes or no. Did the police did the man?
Speaker 2: I've talked to the mayor about many things, mister Okay.
Speaker 1: Now on another issue, the issue of the collaborative. Do
Speaker 1: you think after twenty five years, there's many dozens of
Speaker 1: police agencies in the Tri State, dozens of police agencies
Speaker 1: since time police is one of many police agencies, only
Speaker 1: one has a collaborative. Do you think the police in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati have racial tendencies of such a quality that the
Speaker 1: collaborative needs to be in effect when all the other
Speaker 1: police agencies in the Tri State don't. What's unique about
Speaker 1: Cincinnati police? Who've had black police chiefs, black captains, et cetera,
Speaker 1: black mayors, black cities.
Speaker 3: They have one black captain right now well in the past.
Speaker 3: So we have issues there on diversity.
Speaker 1: Diversity, y, we still have issues of competency that we have.
Speaker 3: We have issues of diversity as respect to who is
Speaker 3: in our police division period.
Speaker 1: The question is what is unique about CPD that all
Speaker 1: the other police agencies don't need someone like you to
Speaker 1: implement the collaborative. Are they different than all the other
Speaker 1: agencies in Ambulenty County.
Speaker 2: I think that they're not courageous enough.
Speaker 3: One they've not been sued, so we sued CPD in
Speaker 3: federal court, so you have to do the mandate of
Speaker 3: the federal court. And what I do appreciate about what's
Speaker 3: unique about CPD is all of this training and all
Speaker 3: of this work and understanding around who the people are
Speaker 3: that they do police.
Speaker 2: I think they're extremely unique.
Speaker 3: I've been trained by the best, and that's what I
Speaker 3: said to King Kober the day of what you're talking
Speaker 3: about when you said, I interrupted, I'm trained by CPD,
Speaker 3: so I know how to I know how to read you,
Speaker 3: I know how to read your body language, and I
Speaker 3: know how to read someone standing by you. There was
Speaker 3: no threat of violence. I've been trained by CPD very well.
Speaker 3: So I saw that and it was it was.
Speaker 1: An inter question or since II police still racist?
Speaker 3: If you look at the data that comes from our
Speaker 3: Citizens Complain Authority, seventy percent of our complaints are by
Speaker 3: African Americans. I'll let you finiship answer the question. They
Speaker 3: may not be racist. I don't know what they are.
Speaker 3: I don't so they may be policing differently in one
Speaker 3: way than they are in this way. And this is
Speaker 3: the beauty of the collaborative. This is a job that
Speaker 3: taxpayers pay for. I pay taxes, mister Cunningham. I'm looking
Speaker 3: for reciprocity on my tax dollar, not only investment into
Speaker 3: the community. But I'm looking at reciprocity. And not only that,
Speaker 3: mister Cunningham, I'm looking at how I can fit into
Speaker 3: this and help what the collaborative has done for the
Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati. Dear sir, if you're looking for facts,
Speaker 3: it has reduced injuries to officers, lawsuits, injuries to citizens.
Speaker 3: So yes, it's unique. Yes, it's still needs. Yes we
Speaker 3: still have a long way.
Speaker 1: Not Hamlety County Sheriff's office, the Green town not Sycamore Township,
Speaker 1: only Cincinnati Police.
Speaker 3: All of them, all of them. So you're that you're no, sir,
Speaker 3: not But you're the attorney. So can you legally sue
Speaker 3: multiple agencies at one time?
Speaker 2: No, you can't.
Speaker 3: I'll answer we were only we could only sue in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: But what I will say to you, dear sir, mister Cunningham,
Speaker 3: is that all of the ones that you just said
Speaker 3: out of your mouth they need help. And guess what
Speaker 3: they borrow from BAM, the collaborative agreement.
Speaker 1: Tracy Hunter, see Hunter, Judge Hunter, Judge Hunter, and speak
Speaker 1: for herself. She'd be for herself. So she you went
Speaker 1: out and picket at the home of my good friend,
Speaker 1: Judge Patrick dink Locker to protest a sentence that he
Speaker 1: imposed on Tracy Hunter.
Speaker 3: Protests a sentence and protest the injustice and protest him
Speaker 3: having no drug out of court.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did, all right.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was convicted by a multi racial jury of
Speaker 1: one count of felony. She went through the entire appeal
Speaker 1: process for years and dink Locker is still in court
Speaker 1: right now. Wasn't the trial judge. It was Natal who
Speaker 1: left the bench. And then you took it upon yourself
Speaker 1: to picket someone's home for following their legal duty to
Speaker 1: give her a sentence, which.
Speaker 3: By the way, and that's what make Dan Heels upset
Speaker 3: and said I shouldn't be collaborating. So since the exception, well,
Speaker 3: extremely when Pat dink a Locker issues justice fairly in
Speaker 3: our in our ho and so and listen and listen,
Speaker 3: this is the greatest point of democracy that you can disagree.
Speaker 3: And we did no damage to his home. We didn't
Speaker 3: dox him, We didn't put his address out in the
Speaker 3: universe say go hey threaten his wife and kids are grandkids.
Speaker 3: I'm like folks that listen to seven hundred. Wow, that
Speaker 3: has happened to me since all of this stuff, all
Speaker 3: this vituol and discord has come about, a collaborative agreement
Speaker 3: in iris Rowly. So yes, sir, I did utilize one
Speaker 3: tool in the Civil Rights Handbook too.
Speaker 1: Are you sorry I get away?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Why would I be.
Speaker 1: Sorry because it was wrongful? No?
Speaker 2: Why is it.
Speaker 1: Because the judge simply did his or her job in
Speaker 1: this case it was a man and we simply disagree, disagreed. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: when it comes down to what happened on July twenty sixth,
Speaker 1: did you meet with the victims of the beatdown on
Speaker 1: July twenty sixth, the so called wife victims, and talk
Speaker 1: to them about what happened to them?
Speaker 2: No, sir, I did not.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: They didn't call me?
Speaker 1: What do you have to only you respond to circumstances.
Speaker 3: People call my phone all the time, mister Gunaham. People
Speaker 3: call my phone and they want help. They didn't call me.
Speaker 1: The three CDC put out a video about a week
Speaker 1: ago which clearly demonstrated that the future criminal defendant started
Speaker 1: this thing with Alex t as I call it, and
Speaker 1: he was hit first. Yet the city leader stood up
Speaker 1: about a week later and demanded criminal charges against a
Speaker 1: person because of the color of their skin. Happened to
Speaker 1: be white, white person.
Speaker 2: Charge, No, sir, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying what I don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 2: Don't you No, no, don't don't don't make it.
Speaker 1: Don't make it basant based on race, a person would charge.
Speaker 3: Because all of the African Americans were charged, and then
Speaker 3: they were charged with additional charges from the.
Speaker 1: Case the other ones who committed criminal actions.
Speaker 3: But here's what I will tell you. I spoke to
Speaker 3: Interim police Chief Handy on Friday.
Speaker 1: And you should have been put on administrative leave.
Speaker 2: I don't that's that's above mine.
Speaker 1: That is no.
Speaker 2: I can't say yes or no that. I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: Have you told police that she should not have been
Speaker 1: put on leaves?
Speaker 2: I would not say that. I would not interfere in the.
Speaker 1: Question about absolutely about the civil rights leader standing up
Speaker 1: and demanding a person to be charged with the crime
Speaker 1: based upon.
Speaker 3: Race based is that based on equity and fairness, based
Speaker 3: on the application, based on the application of the law.
Speaker 3: But let me say the fact is I spoke to
Speaker 3: Interim Chief Henny on Friday because I couldn't remember if
Speaker 3: this is a video that I knew that they had
Speaker 3: seen or that I had seen, because there were so
Speaker 3: many videos out there right there are tons of them.
Speaker 2: There was tons of them.
Speaker 3: So when I spoke to Interim Chief Heney, I said,
Speaker 3: just because the questions are coming to me. He said, Irish,
Speaker 3: we saw that video. That's the video that the city
Speaker 3: solicitors saw that. Then the charges were made against.
Speaker 1: Who was hit first.
Speaker 3: I think once you stopped. I think once you stop
Speaker 3: and start. I think once you stop and start. But
Speaker 3: that will be a question for the city solicitor and
Speaker 3: the city manager and the police interrant police.
Speaker 1: This is principle.
Speaker 2: If if you do know the interim police chief did sign.
Speaker 1: That Onny and the line officers would not sign it
Speaker 1: because it was wrong, and wouldn't sign it because it
Speaker 1: was wrong.
Speaker 3: I've not heard that. I've not heard that from the
Speaker 3: chief of police. I've not heard her say that at all.
Speaker 3: And we've talked through that. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: here's another fact that you probably don't know. When the
Speaker 3: when the community was called forgetting the warrant sign, I
Speaker 3: spoke with Chief Tji. She did not know where mister
Speaker 3: Jermaine I can't think of his last name was. I
Speaker 3: actually did find him because he was in the Justice Center.
Speaker 1: That principle, if civil rights leaders and civil authority stand
Speaker 1: up and demand a person be charged because of the
Speaker 1: color of their skin, that's not what we demanded it.
Speaker 1: As a matter of principle, isn't that wrong.
Speaker 3: That what you're saying is incorrect. So if you listen
Speaker 3: to more over the black community and some non black people,
Speaker 3: and as some non black people thought, well, and we disagree,
Speaker 3: I'm even greater.
Speaker 1: Should a person be charged because of the color of
Speaker 1: their skin, No.
Speaker 2: They should be charged based on facts.
Speaker 1: Why didn't happen in this case?
Speaker 2: It did happen. They were charged based on facts because
Speaker 2: he slapped a man.
Speaker 1: But he slapped a man after he was punched twice
Speaker 1: in the back of the head first.
Speaker 3: But when you look at the video, mister Kunnah Hammond,
Speaker 3: I know they are too. There are two worlds, they're
Speaker 3: two girls. There's a nod, there's a privileged world, and
Speaker 3: then there's the not privilege.
Speaker 1: Thousand bucks a year aren't goodness?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying no, I'm not sir. I feed children,
Speaker 3: I take care of children, and I help my community.
Speaker 3: There is not enough to pay Iris really for the
Speaker 3: goodness that she's done in the city. And you don't
Speaker 3: have to say thank you while we're on the air.
Speaker 3: I'll wait until well off.
Speaker 1: As far as continuing, should we continue with the mayor?
Speaker 1: Is the mayor a long as the city manager? Yes,
Speaker 1: you in charge of the collaborative.
Speaker 2: I'm not in charge of the collaborative. I just worked
Speaker 2: the communities worked that.
Speaker 1: But you're paid right by tax dollars.
Speaker 2: I am paid.
Speaker 1: Should like this with the same mayor, the same city manager,
Speaker 1: you and others involved of criminal justice? And is this
Speaker 1: the future of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Mister Cunningham, I would, I would venture to say, I
Speaker 3: think you've called some more discord in this process in
Speaker 3: twenty five years that Iris Rowly has. You've not even
Speaker 3: heard from Irish. Well you would, but you've not even
Speaker 3: let me finish.
Speaker 2: Won't let me?
Speaker 3: You most certainly doing. You get to espouse it all
Speaker 3: day every day. But this is the first time you've
Speaker 3: heard Iris Roly name in years. Outside of all the
Speaker 3: great work at the transit site, this is the first
Speaker 3: time you've heard anything negative. So again, sir, I would
Speaker 3: challenge you, Yes, you will be I've been there since
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: You know it's my good friend.
Speaker 2: I've not had any issues.
Speaker 1: It's my good friend, Charlie Kirk said before he was
Speaker 1: murdered in cold blood. When the talking stops is when
Speaker 1: the violence begins. I say, let's keep talking. That's what
Speaker 1: we've been doing without accusations.
Speaker 2: That's what we've been doing. That's what we've been doing.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1: When you come on again in a month, you got,
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 2: I'm married to that guy right there. You crazy.
Speaker 3: I will be back. I'm a member of the Since
Speaker 3: Name Black and Underfront. But listen, this is what I
Speaker 3: have for you, mister Cunningham. This is the full collaborative agreement.
Speaker 1: I want you to read it is I you can
Speaker 1: have I got this right, your diploma right now.
Speaker 2: You can't have my diploma.
Speaker 3: That's my participatory Read it though I want you to
Speaker 3: read it to the people so they'll know.
Speaker 1: Center for Problem Oriented Policing presents the Herman Goldstein Award
Speaker 1: and Recognition of Excellence and Problem Oriented Policing to Missus, Iris,
Speaker 1: Rowley Society, Black United Front.
Speaker 2: There you go. So and I was with intem cheap
Speaker 2: chief Henny with assistant.
Speaker 1: Did he see the tape ahead of time when he
Speaker 1: signed the falseho.
Speaker 2: You should get him in here and talk to him.
Speaker 1: Why don't you ask the mayor and Hanny to come
Speaker 1: in here that I've asked him, They won't come on.
Speaker 1: They we got the guts to show up. I'll give
Speaker 1: you credit for that, but you don't make it.
Speaker 3: You don't make it warm and fuzzy. You don't make
Speaker 3: me Fisher to come with security.
Speaker 1: You got two big men.
Speaker 2: That comes to.
Speaker 1: M wrestled those security to this. Will you come back
Speaker 1: in a month or two?
Speaker 3: But let me say the guts. I have all the guts.
Speaker 3: You know what I typically say to people. My balls
Speaker 3: are beginning you us, But my husband told me stop
Speaker 3: saying that.
Speaker 1: So listen, are you transgender?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: We had something, are you? You sound like it?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: This is you got your Monday's on the day with
Speaker 2: his Monday. But listen, tay.
Speaker 3: That you should have had on Sunday the way the
Speaker 3: Bengals play. But but that's a whole other story.
Speaker 1: Why don't you come on again? If you got the guns?
Speaker 1: Irish Rowley, will you come on and do come down
Speaker 1: to the transit center?
Speaker 2: When are you coming? When are you coming?
Speaker 1: My people will be in touch. Will you guarantee my security?
Speaker 2: My secure?
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you guys looking.
Speaker 6: Talk to him.
Speaker 2: But mister help. The other piece that I have for
Speaker 2: you is this is actrocency.
Speaker 1: This is what all this to give me homework.
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Speaker 7: Games?
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Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Was that you?
Speaker 1: Judge? Robert Franklin was a roommate of mL King of
Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight? More houses?
Speaker 2: Your question in my Civil Rights Act?
Speaker 1: Merit, I don't believe in well you die?
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Speaker 1: Let's break it up time?
Speaker 3: So tell them to stop f and when iris really
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Speaker 2: America, God Bless America.
Speaker 1: Seven hundred WLW Joining me now is the legendary Mike McConnell.
Speaker 1: You're still alive. Only the two of us are left.
Speaker 1: Are you aware of this? Alive? And well you heard
Speaker 1: the end of my Irish Roly debate. Yeah, she shouldn't
Speaker 1: come completely around. She was almost she was close to
Speaker 1: coming to be Trump support. Close. And so when I said,
Speaker 1: is Cincinnati police more racist, for example, than every other
Speaker 1: police agency in the Tri State answer is yes, of course,
Speaker 1: of course they're more racist, and they have to be
Speaker 1: governed by Irish Roly.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. If you're making one hundred and ten thousand bucks
Speaker 1: a year, you better find problems. You can't say, look,
Speaker 1: we've solved this difficulty. It means, right, you don't need
Speaker 1: me anymore. But nonetheless you're here about Bob Trumpy and
Speaker 1: so much more. Yeah, all the good ones. You know,
Speaker 1: the good guy young You and I are in good shape.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And he's one of those guys I think from
Speaker 8: a listener perspective, he was a little bit misunderstood. He
Speaker 8: was actually a nice guy, soft as long as you
Speaker 8: didn't mispronounce something when you called his show that was
Speaker 8: if you like screwed up a player's name or something.
Speaker 8: Nothing else you had to say was going to make
Speaker 8: any sense as far as he was concerned.
Speaker 1: So we began to think of the magnificent six we
Speaker 1: had when it all got together. We had Jim Scott,
Speaker 1: pretty good, Mike McConnell, I love that guy. I love
Speaker 1: that guy too, really good. Gary Burbank is pretty good,
Speaker 1: not bad. Bob Trumpy or Chris collins Worth, Andy Furman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and then the truck and Boso, and now only
Speaker 1: two of us were left. The rest he did. What
Speaker 1: does it say about us?
Speaker 8: You sent out a tweet or something today? It was
Speaker 8: brought to my attention the way you wrote it, the
Speaker 8: passing of Bob Trumpy read it.
Speaker 1: You haven't right there. I have all kinds of stuff here.
Speaker 1: It appears to others as though you're calling me a bozo.
Speaker 1: We know they not. Everyone knows about the bozo. So
Speaker 1: the way you rode it, well I did. I wanted
Speaker 1: to put the bozo in because you know he's dead too.
Speaker 1: So here it is father time is undefeated, untied, unscored
Speaker 1: on that's the one. Jim Scott, Gary Burbank, now Bob
Speaker 1: Trumpey have recently died, and the Bozo dot Mike McConnell, yes,
Speaker 1: comes before. That's right. I guess you could read your
Speaker 1: the boat. So Mike McConnell has retired. All night Man
Speaker 1: used to be the truck and Bozo. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: how many years he's been going fifteen years, twelve at least,
Speaker 1: but he's in the Hall of Fame. And you and
Speaker 1: I aren't look at it that way, but that was
Speaker 1: the lineup made and we don't recognize at the time
Speaker 1: what it was because we were doing we were just
Speaker 1: doing radio because of the great producer, director, head coach
Speaker 1: Randy Michaels. He's the one that got it done. Plus
Speaker 1: John Phillips in the air with the helicopter didn't crash.
Speaker 1: I'm like Nanson Cormick, it didn't crash. That was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Traffic was wonderful and from the sky.
Speaker 8: And then we also I remember Dave Reinhardt walking around going,
Speaker 8: you don't understand not every place is like this.
Speaker 1: I thought it was everybody had people like this, right,
Speaker 1: So what are some of your other thoughts about Bob Trumpy.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a few of minds.
Speaker 8: You know, he's yeah, I know hi when he worked here,
Speaker 8: but knew more about him after he retired. I mean,
Speaker 8: he's one of those guys. He really you like to him.
Speaker 8: Keep an eye out for the older guys in the neighborhood.
Speaker 8: He cared about them. Memorial Day Parade, he'd get a
Speaker 8: golf cart and ride it. In case somebody got tired,
Speaker 8: he could hop in and get them a ride.
Speaker 1: Also, I had the one night that a woman is
Speaker 1: committing suicide. Yeah, called in and Bob Trump. He almost
Speaker 1: cried himself to talk her off the ledge, get her help.
Speaker 1: That was the soft side of Trump. The hard side
Speaker 1: that the listener perceived was very difficult if you disagree
Speaker 1: with him. The best shows he did was a pet
Speaker 1: Pete Franklin from Cleveland and when the Browns and you
Speaker 1: know the Coastar and the size and all that, back
Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth. He'd interview Bill Belichick, he'd
Speaker 1: interview everybody, everybody, and you listen to some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Matt Reason back and put all these old tapes to
Speaker 1: get on, get it on. He was even a better
Speaker 1: interviewer than you remember. He was pretty good.
Speaker 8: Yeah, remember him know all this stuff and occasionally being bombastic,
Speaker 8: But if you sit down and listen to an interview,
Speaker 8: he was a better interviewer then I think we gave
Speaker 8: him credit for.
Speaker 1: And then of course you got the NBC. He did
Speaker 1: Sunday Night, Monday Night, did Westwood One, did the Olympics,
Speaker 1: Classic Story, the Ryder Cup three times. Masters he did
Speaker 1: that on radio so he could play I gust the
Speaker 1: National now and then, which is not a bad thing
Speaker 1: to think about. He said.
Speaker 8: He only done golf a few times, and he was
Speaker 8: I guess you get out there and play the course
Speaker 8: when you first get there, and learn a thing or two.
Speaker 1: About it, mister golf professional. I got to play a guy.
Speaker 1: I got to play somebody else, you know Trump. Hey,
Speaker 1: And he turns around as Arnold Palmer. He said, Arnold
Speaker 1: Palmer knows my name Trump. Yeah, Arnold Palmer Palmer not bad, right.
Speaker 1: I was after him for like twelve years. So I
Speaker 1: got there by a mistake, like in August of eighty three,
Speaker 1: supposed to have a to be here, and I would
Speaker 1: go into the studio at I was on nine pm
Speaker 1: until one am, and the trump Ster was on six
Speaker 1: to nine. And it was a small studio about half
Speaker 1: the size it was filled with cigarette smoke. He was
Speaker 1: a chain smoker on the air. So after about two
Speaker 1: or three weeks, I said, Bob, is it possible that
Speaker 1: for the last hour before I sit in this small
Speaker 1: closet studio that you couldn't smoke? He dropped the F
Speaker 1: bomb and ended it with you, and so I guess
Speaker 1: the answer was no. And then Randy Michaels would want
Speaker 1: him to read. Of course, that was a big deal
Speaker 1: at the time, school closings. The next day Trump he says,
Speaker 1: I don't do school closings. Get somebody else in there.
Speaker 1: They got into it. And what did Bob Trumpy do
Speaker 1: with Randy Michaels end them? Didn't he up against the wall.
Speaker 1: Randy was a strong man, and Randy Michaels remains. I
Speaker 1: understand he's lost about eighty pounds. He's in great health,
Speaker 1: but at the point he probably weighed hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: one hundred ninety pounds. Five foot eight. Picked him up
Speaker 1: by his shoulder blades, pinned him up against the wall,
Speaker 1: and Randy's feet feet were moving like he was running,
Speaker 1: and he said, I don't do school closings. So he
Speaker 1: had seg to come in to do school closings the
Speaker 1: next day. Trumpy wouldn't do it. It was hard to coach shows,
Speaker 1: say would you. Yeah, but he had that heart of
Speaker 1: gold going for. He had a heart of gold. So
Speaker 1: what do you mean you get into like the Pete
Speaker 1: Rose and Ojson.
Speaker 8: Wait, he believed those guys because they told him they
Speaker 8: didn't do it. And I'll tell you, and I said
Speaker 8: this at the time, if you were ever in some
Speaker 8: serious trouble, you probably couldn't find a more loyal friend
Speaker 8: than Bob. Trumpy didn't exist. He was and what he was,
Speaker 8: I mean, he was amazed that friends of his would
Speaker 8: lie to him when.
Speaker 1: It all came out. Pete Rose had this lawyer in Dayton,
Speaker 1: I forget his name, that would come on with Bob
Speaker 1: and then me afterwards. And this went on for like
Speaker 1: what from February until August of nineteen eighty nine when
Speaker 1: he met the commissioner, Uberroth met him up and you
Speaker 1: know the rumors betting on And I said betting because
Speaker 1: I had bet with Pete at the racetrack And when
Speaker 1: I started doing the extra inning show, I was on
Speaker 1: with Pete and we became friends, and I knew he
Speaker 1: bet on everything. And the fact he wouldn't bet on baseball,
Speaker 1: the one sport he knew to me was like unlikely.
Speaker 1: But then at Willie's and Kenwood we opened up in
Speaker 1: eighty nine, he was there almost every day at the
Speaker 1: at the bar by himself, making bets and the bartender
Speaker 1: is telling me he's betting on baseball, and I said, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, but he had this, uh, this ability to
Speaker 1: convince Bob Trumpy that he wasn't betting on baseball.
Speaker 4: And O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson could not have slaughtered and sliced off the head
Speaker 1: of the mother of his children. That's not OJ that
Speaker 1: I know. He went down with both ships. He did,
Speaker 1: and he was hurt, and OJ told him he didn't
Speaker 1: do it. That was good enough. What about the blood?
Speaker 1: I was all playing it there by, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: by whatever. So what's Mike McConnell doing these days? Actually
Speaker 1: kind of relaxing? They doing nothing. Well, do you miss it?
Speaker 1: You want to pinch it for me?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: And then? No? Not really?
Speaker 8: I mean do you want to think about that? I
Speaker 8: could pinch it for like ten fifteen minutes. I would
Speaker 8: want to do a whole show.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: Once in a while something comes up and I'll, you know,
Speaker 8: interest me. So I'll start looking some things up and
Speaker 8: like I could use something like that.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 8: How about AI taking all our jobs as an example?
Speaker 8: Could it so the other day?
Speaker 1: Because I'd heard a set like this sometimes In nineteen fifty,
Speaker 1: one of every thirteen women working was a telephone operator.
Speaker 1: One of every thirteen women in America. That's what they
Speaker 1: did for a living.
Speaker 8: Today and three hundred and thirty million people, we have
Speaker 8: two thousand operators because back then, I mean it was
Speaker 8: switchboards and office building switchboards and hotels, all those things,
Speaker 8: or one point three million in nineteen fifty and all
Speaker 8: those jobs are going, right, but they found something else
Speaker 8: to do, right, AI, I probably paid better than that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Another thing, of course, we talk about food stamps and
Speaker 1: the cards, BET cards, And in nineteen seventy five to
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one and fifty Americans were on food stamps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: today it's one in eight and it's accelerating. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's more people hungry and families today than there
Speaker 1: were in the nineteen seventies. And give the numbers, that
Speaker 1: means two percent of the American people were in food
Speaker 1: Sampson in the mid nineteen seventies today's twelve and a
Speaker 1: half percent, six times increase. I think there's some fraud
Speaker 1: going on a little bit. There's no good there's no
Speaker 1: good explanation for that at all. None.
Speaker 8: It's easier to get on disability, that's part of it.
Speaker 8: You know, fewer people on regular welfare benefits they switched
Speaker 8: to disability. It's easy to get on that, and then
Speaker 8: you get the rest of your benefits as a result.
Speaker 1: So when you have a large, consistent, large group of
Speaker 1: Americans committed to a government benefit that goes on for years,
Speaker 1: it's damnar impossible to stop it. Was there a dip
Speaker 1: with Clinton.
Speaker 8: I'm one of those people on the few Republicans who
Speaker 8: gave Clinton a little bit of kudos for what do
Speaker 8: you ACCOMPLI Yes he did.
Speaker 1: He did. He put in wealth work requirements, shut down
Speaker 1: the southern border. And I remember at the balance budgets
Speaker 1: at the time, Health and Human Services having the county
Speaker 1: was ta to somebody from there and they said they
Speaker 1: were actually in the wake of Clinton's fixes, that they
Speaker 1: were getting thanks from people for kicking them in the
Speaker 1: butt and getting a job, and they felt better about themselves,
Speaker 1: and they were saying, what surprises you if you're losing clients,
Speaker 1: so to speak.
Speaker 8: You don't usually like that, but they were very positive
Speaker 8: about it. So it had we've dipped at some point
Speaker 8: and then just another work requirement went away.
Speaker 1: Now, the institutionalization of government benefits is so deep and solid.
Speaker 1: The media doesn't do stories on people that should not
Speaker 1: be on food stamps. I watched the Secretary of Agriculture yesterday.
Speaker 1: They've so far found five million dead people getting food stamps.
Speaker 1: Somebody's using their cards EBD cards five million, and they
Speaker 1: also said another five to eight million or illegal shouldn't
Speaker 1: get in anyway. So the forty two million to get it,
Speaker 1: that number should be about cut in half. They're in
Speaker 1: the business to trying to find out who's illegally getting it.
Speaker 1: But the Democratic Party at blue states blue cities won't
Speaker 1: give the FEDS the information who's getting the benefits. The
Speaker 1: states administer and the FEDS pay for it. So if
Speaker 1: the state of California, for example, in New York State
Speaker 1: won't communicate to the FEDS who's getting food stamps, what
Speaker 1: do you do? And the answer is, we don't know.
Speaker 1: Because we know five million are dead, another five to
Speaker 1: eight million shouldn't beet they're illegal, But we need more
Speaker 1: information about who's getting this because obviously twelve and a
Speaker 1: half percent of us aren't hungry. In fact, obesity is
Speaker 1: a bigger problem for the poor than malnutrition. Far and away,
Speaker 1: far and away, that's the problem. Can you say that, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just did. Is it true? Can you speak truth?
Speaker 1: I don't think you can. So, Hell, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The free store food bank, I think that's good. Is marvel?
Speaker 1: I like that the way they do things. I bought.
Speaker 1: But here's another issue. I am told on YouTube there's
Speaker 1: a way to gain and to gain the freesto forward
Speaker 1: free store food bank and also the food stamps. By that,
Speaker 1: I mean the cars that pull in. They go to
Speaker 1: one free store food bank, then go to another, and
Speaker 1: then go to another. And with the dead people getting
Speaker 1: food stamps, they put them in large drums. All these
Speaker 1: product shipping back to Haiti or Nicaraguar somewhere, and they're
Speaker 1: sold in the bodegos, and so they monetize it. Plus
Speaker 1: you can sell your your benefits for fifty cents on
Speaker 1: the dollar and get cash. Now should that be in
Speaker 1: the system. Hell no, I want hundred people to get it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: number years ago. It's probably late eighties, early nineties. Right
Speaker 1: after the Thanksgiving free store, great food giveaway, guy called
Speaker 1: the day of a guy called Who's a small grocer
Speaker 1: somewhere in town talk about the number of people coming
Speaker 1: in trying to sell them turkeys they just got on
Speaker 1: the free store. Can we get that out of the system?
Speaker 1: Is that possible? I don't know. I doubt it make
Speaker 1: everybody reapply. I don't know. Ye may wouldn't that be something? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Right well, Michael, you you gotta do
Speaker 1: talk radiot. Have you thought about every now and then
Speaker 1: doing the morning show when Tom Brenneman's on Friday's doing football? No,
Speaker 1: have you thought about doing Middays ten am to two pm,
Speaker 1: which you did or ten to three you did.
Speaker 8: I told Rocky I'd fill in for Eddie sometime, because
Speaker 8: I've told Eddie has got the easiest job in the
Speaker 8: freaking world. Mean, you could get up and you could
Speaker 8: play around the golf if you wanted to get to
Speaker 8: work at three and be home by dinner and work.
Speaker 1: With the I thought Eddie sets up all.
Speaker 8: That's not true, he says, he does it more so
Speaker 8: with Rocky having football related so.
Speaker 1: You will pinch it when any fingers is gone with
Speaker 1: Rocky and All, I said, I would, whether you do
Speaker 1: it or not. Yeah, but you won't do the truck
Speaker 1: and bozo overnight with the Red Eye. You won't do that?
Speaker 1: Is that still on?
Speaker 8: That was the worst part about getting up at three
Speaker 8: twenty in the morning was listening to that Red Eye.
Speaker 1: The Red Eye radio is Tony Benner's favorite program here.
Speaker 1: He told me he loves Red Eye red He loves it,
Speaker 1: loves that stuff. Mike, thanks, talk about people can never
Speaker 1: change the subject. You gotta be able to be a
Speaker 1: little flexible, right. I have a reputation to be in
Speaker 1: somewhat conservative, but I talk about everything, and I watch
Speaker 1: MSNBC and I read the New York Times. Guys, got
Speaker 1: to see what the enemy's doing. I do too well,
Speaker 1: come back again. You got a future in radio. I
Speaker 1: might stop by. Are you in Social Security yet? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Don't you love it? It's yeah. On the twenty three
Speaker 1: every month I had about five grand put on my account.
Speaker 1: I got to you on the fifteenth.
Speaker 8: It comes through and you eat ch ching, get my
Speaker 8: regular installment on the first. I still get paid on
Speaker 8: the first and fifteenth, just like the old days. You
Speaker 8: do how do you do that? From here?
Speaker 1: All my savings, I got to work. I take a
Speaker 1: chunk of them. That comes in the first, and then
Speaker 1: social comes in on the fifteenth. A year in hog Heaven,
Speaker 1: I got to talk to Tony Benner about a long term,
Speaker 1: guaranteed bonus Laton contract extension. I'm not done yet, Mike.
Speaker 1: Do you ever see me retiring? No? Well, when's it up?
Speaker 1: When's your president? I think three years, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I really haven't. I signed something four or five years.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be here as long as Trump is
Speaker 1: in the White House. After that, I'm done. There's a
Speaker 1: goal for Yeah, okay, thanks for stopping in. Don't be
Speaker 1: a strange. My pleasure. My pleasure, Me and I Iris Rolie.
Speaker 1: Is that a match made in heaven time? I think
Speaker 1: off air, you guys are getting along right. She wanted
Speaker 1: to hug me, like all women do. I said, go ahead, Iris,
Speaker 1: have at it, but don't don't squeeze my buns, is
Speaker 1: all I told her, and she sat on the air.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have balls, and she asked me, do you
Speaker 1: I said, you want to see him? I saught I
Speaker 1: better not do that. Would you agree.
Speaker 8: I've had some militants on over the years who off
Speaker 8: air were fine.
Speaker 1: She's fine on then all of a sudden, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's this the green letters Salvation racism pays big bucks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: On news Radio seven hundred WLW, I Billy Cunningham, the
Speaker 1: Great America dihearst mos here to put a carriot on
Speaker 1: the performances of a so called sports teams over the weekend,
Speaker 1: beginning on Friday, when Anna's a fat Russian woman beat
Speaker 1: the crap out of Deer Park High School in the
Speaker 1: high school playoffs. It was forty seven to three or something,
Speaker 1: and so I knew it was going to be a
Speaker 1: bad weekend mode and it was going to be this bad.
Speaker 1: Anna kicked it off near Minster by the way. Anna
Speaker 1: is by Minster. You've been there many times, I'm sure
Speaker 1: hang out there often. And then then Saturday kind of
Speaker 1: build a little bit of the tsunami. Saturday you have
Speaker 1: the Mormons out of the Utah. I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of your social media picks, et cetera. It was a
Speaker 1: great place, a lot of people there, the empty stadium,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it was packed, people going nuts.
Speaker 1: Game day was there. It was wonderful, and you had
Speaker 1: told me that you see was going to win the game.
Speaker 1: I think the final score was like forty eight to
Speaker 1: fourteen or something, but it wasn't that close. I never
Speaker 1: told you they were going to win the game. And
Speaker 1: then they got a little bit bigger for the Bengals
Speaker 1: game on Sunday one o'clock this morning, everyone had bags
Speaker 1: over their head on ESPN, and you've gone over the
Speaker 1: stats and I'll get to them in a moment. And
Speaker 1: Sunday night at the Enchilada, the Big FC against the Crew,
Speaker 1: and you know, shots on goals and important measure as
Speaker 1: to whether you're advancing the ball. I don't care much
Speaker 1: for soccer. It's a comedy sport. That's a different thing.
Speaker 1: Twenty shots on goal. Crew had nineteen of the twenty
Speaker 1: shots on goal since I had one shot on goal,
Speaker 1: and they get hammered for zip. Now, let's not begin
Speaker 1: with dear Park and Anna, let's go let's not begin
Speaker 1: with the Bearcats. Let's go on to the Bengals. Bengals,
Speaker 1: are you prepared for some stats?
Speaker 7: And in the middle of all that, we lost the
Speaker 7: godfather of Cincinnati sports talk radio.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that too mode. That's got
Speaker 1: kind of a downer right there, because he's eighty years
Speaker 1: old and he passed away yesterday, the great number eighty four.
Speaker 1: In fact, the player for the Bengal opponent yesterday, you
Speaker 1: might recall, was wearing what number as he went in
Speaker 1: to win the game. I'm sorry, eighty four eighty four.
Speaker 1: That was Bob Trumpy going at the Bengals of Mike
Speaker 1: Brown one more time. The player wearing number eighty four
Speaker 1: for the Bears is the one, and I put on
Speaker 1: my social media accounts the three Bengal defenders all around
Speaker 1: this guy, and all they had to do was say,
Speaker 1: get him on the ground, likely win the game. And
Speaker 1: the three Bengal defenders could not tackle number eighty four.
Speaker 1: Am I right or wrong about?
Speaker 7: You're one hundred percent right, and I'm sorry my brain
Speaker 7: froze there. Eighty four.
Speaker 1: You were thinking about the Trumpster.
Speaker 7: When the Chicago Bears got the ball back, it wasn't
Speaker 7: a matter of if they would score. It was a
Speaker 7: matter of would there be any time left?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: When I knew that.
Speaker 7: You knew how they were going to score, Chances are
Speaker 7: there was going to be either busted coverage or mistackles
Speaker 7: in the secondary, which is exactly right if there was
Speaker 7: an avatar for the twenty twenty five Bengals. It's how
Speaker 7: Chicago scored that last touchdown with two safeties basically colliding
Speaker 7: with each other. The position that all offseason Duke Tobin
Speaker 7: left unaddressed comes back to bite him in a moment
Speaker 7: where the season was hanging in the balance. It was
Speaker 7: an embarrassment. It was a direct indictment on Duke Tobin.
Speaker 7: It was a direct indictment on Al Golden. It is Golden.
Speaker 7: It's goal in goal in take the D out, there's
Speaker 7: no d It's so frustrating from a few different perspectives.
Speaker 7: Number One, lay out the Joe Flacco story should be
Speaker 7: the best in the NFL. He joins the Bengals and
Speaker 7: within five days he gives us hope. Four days later
Speaker 7: he plays his heart out against the Pittsburgh Steelers beats
Speaker 7: him in prime time. He has since played some of
Speaker 7: the best football of his.
Speaker 1: Eighteen year career.
Speaker 7: This should be the best story in the NFL, and
Speaker 7: instead it's a footnote. Because the defense all I heard
Speaker 7: all off season long was Al Golden with the same
Speaker 7: guys is going to fix the defense enough? So that
Speaker 7: it's league average. All we need is league average everage average.
Speaker 7: My question was average. My question was statistically that makes sense.
Speaker 7: If you have a great offense and a league average defense,
Speaker 7: you should be okay. But when the game is hanging
Speaker 7: in the balance, when you need a stop to win
Speaker 7: the game, when you need a stop to give your
Speaker 7: offense the ball back to give them a chance to
Speaker 7: win the game, can you all season? Last year? All season?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 7: The answer were the answers were no, No, What about
Speaker 7: this year?
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 7: Against the Detroit Lions, they cut to the they cut
Speaker 7: the Detroit lead to eleven points, ten and a half
Speaker 7: to go in the fourth quarter. Lions go down in
Speaker 7: six plays against the Pittsburgh Steelers, a game that they
Speaker 7: did wine of the field, slow down, Aaron Rodgers, you
Speaker 7: win the game.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 7: Fortunately, Pittsburgh scored with too much time and the Bengals
Speaker 7: actually came back and won that one. Against the Jets,
Speaker 7: when they needed a stop, could they get it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 7: Against the Bears, when they needed a stop, a team
Speaker 7: playing without their top running back, a team who's best
Speaker 7: wide receiver didn't catch a pass yesterday, could they get
Speaker 7: a stop?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: And so the fact that.
Speaker 7: We asked those questions this past summer, are they going
Speaker 7: to be able to get stops? And we were padded
Speaker 7: on the head and assured to Tobin and el Golden
Speaker 7: know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 7: The fact that it turns out that they were wrong
Speaker 7: and we were right tells me those people shouldn't be
Speaker 7: employed by this franchise anymore.
Speaker 1: Here's the photo I put on social media. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you and Tanya Benner saw it. I say, how is
Speaker 1: it possible Bengal defenders missed this tackle? There's this snapshot.
Speaker 1: You got three guys around number eighty four. Three guys
Speaker 1: just attack them, be like a monkey, Jump on his back,
Speaker 1: get him down, stop him somehow.
Speaker 7: Duke Tobin has had his successes. We know what they
Speaker 7: are right. Most of them have centered around drafting Joe
Speaker 7: Burrow and Jamar Chase. Is that smart and and make
Speaker 7: smart personnel decisions with the teams that went to five
Speaker 7: consecutive playoffs in twenty eleven through twenty fifteen. But with
Speaker 7: what he has been tasked to do over the last
Speaker 7: couple of years, which is draft defensive players and give
Speaker 7: them to a coaching staff that can get them to
Speaker 7: help immediately. He has failed spectacularly. And here's where the
Speaker 7: distrust comes in. If the Bengals are going to fix
Speaker 7: this defense in time to win championships, while you have
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, Duke Tobin is going to have to do
Speaker 7: the exact same things he has failed at doing the
Speaker 7: last few years.
Speaker 1: Why is he still employed today? It's a great in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. Why if I put on my social media account, MO,
Speaker 1: he should be fired. I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know what's scoring. I don't know how you
Speaker 7: conclude any other way. I don't know how you could.
Speaker 7: You could watch what the Bengals have done on defense
Speaker 7: the last couple of years and seen the number of
Speaker 7: failed draft choices, seeing the number of failed decisions, and
Speaker 7: walk away from it thinking Duke Tobin should be given
Speaker 7: a chance to fix this rebuilt I don't know how
Speaker 7: you do that, I have I don't know how you
Speaker 7: could say that organizationally, this thing that they have been
Speaker 7: bad at, they're suddenly going to be good at with
Speaker 7: the same people in charge.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know how you do that. This is an
Speaker 7: affront to anybody who watched last year's team. It's an
Speaker 7: affront to the quarterback play they should be getting from
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow and they and they are getting from Joe Flacco.
Speaker 7: And I keep coming back to this when when Joe
Speaker 7: Burrow got hurt behind an offensive line that continues to
Speaker 7: not be great although it is played okay with Joe
Speaker 7: Flacco as quarterback. I imagine Duke Tobin sitting there if he
Speaker 7: works for me, and I go, hey, Duke, Duke, why
Speaker 7: can't you fix this?
Speaker 1: You're not a private well now it's.
Speaker 7: Your defense, And I go, Duke, why can't you fix this?
Speaker 7: If you sit in front of your boss and he
Speaker 7: or she keeps asking you, why does this keep happening?
Speaker 7: Why can't you fix this? At some point your boss
Speaker 7: is going to tell you we're gonna find somebody else.
Speaker 7: Why doesn't that happen with Duke Tobin?
Speaker 1: Tony Pike told me that beginning today, the offensive team
Speaker 1: is banning the defensive team from the Bengals locker room.
Speaker 1: They will not associate with them. They don't want to
Speaker 1: look at them and the defense. Shamar Stewart and Miles
Speaker 1: Murphy have a special at the Pancake House in Montgomery.
Speaker 1: Really the pancake specials. I've seen a montage of Shamar Stewart,
Speaker 1: the guy who was the defensive end from Texas A
Speaker 1: and m that guy he's a pancake several times with
Speaker 1: a big fat offensive lineman. Squad are on top of him,
Speaker 1: and Miles Murphy want any better? And so is there?
Speaker 1: Would you have a pancake special at the original Pancake
Speaker 1: House of Montgomery? Would you have the Stewart, Shamar Stewart
Speaker 1: and the Miles Murphy special for pancakes?
Speaker 7: That sounds great. Pancakes sound awesome? Right now, Let's get
Speaker 7: who they're named after.
Speaker 1: Let's get it.
Speaker 7: Those are just a couple of players, Miles Murphy and
Speaker 7: Miles Murphy was drafted in the first round in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty three.
Speaker 1: He's ready, He's ready.
Speaker 7: You and I have talked about this, Willie, He's ready.
Speaker 7: This is a league, especially when you have a high
Speaker 7: paid quarterback. This is this is a league about superstars
Speaker 7: and cheap talent, right, inexpensive cheap leaves just like here
Speaker 7: at this radio station, very much like here at the
Speaker 7: radio station. So the Bengals have stars who are getting
Speaker 7: paid a lot of money. By the way, one of them, yesterday,
Speaker 7: t Higgins was awesome, better than this awesome. You have
Speaker 7: to get immediate impact from your draft choices, especially your
Speaker 7: first round picks.
Speaker 1: But in three years, yeah, nothing that hasn't happened. Do
Speaker 1: you want to hear some facts? Of course I do.
Speaker 1: When was the last time a starting quarterback in the
Speaker 1: NFL through for four hundred and seventy yards that the
Speaker 1: team recovered a fumble? That shall we say on the
Speaker 1: inside kick? That the opening kick went for ninety five
Speaker 1: yards in a touchdown, that two wide receivers had over
Speaker 1: one hundred yards each, That the quarterback throws for four touchdowns,
Speaker 1: they block a field goal, and they score forty two
Speaker 1: points and lost. When was the last time that happened?
Speaker 1: It happened yesterday? Oh, I'm sorry, either of nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 1: your friend New York Giants and the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: and you won't recall that. And of course this is
Speaker 1: a record of that's fifty nine years of ineptitude.
Speaker 7: So since Week three of last year, so that's the
Speaker 7: last fifteen games of last season that's run, and then
Speaker 7: nine games this year, twenty four games.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 7: In one quarter of those games, the Bengals have scored
Speaker 7: more than thirty and lost again. In their last twenty
Speaker 7: four games down there have been six, six times the
Speaker 7: Bengals offensively have scored thirty or more and have lost.
Speaker 7: And what a quarter in one quarter of their game
Speaker 7: one courter and they lost. So the last week three
Speaker 7: last year against Washington, they scored thirty three points and lost.
Speaker 7: So that to yesterday, that's a span of twenty four games.
Speaker 7: Pretty good run in six of them. Does Mike Brown
Speaker 7: know this? I'm sure he does. In six of them
Speaker 7: they have scored more than thirty and lost. If that
Speaker 7: happens twice during that stretch, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Panic. It's happened to this team six times. Panic.
Speaker 7: They've changed defensive coordinators. They really haven't changed the players.
Speaker 7: Where's your low?
Speaker 1: The person in.
Speaker 7: Charge of constructing the roster is Duke Tobin twenty five years,
Speaker 7: is been doing. He is the one that looked at
Speaker 7: the secondary last year's secondary and literally added nobody.
Speaker 1: They didn't look good.
Speaker 7: They didn't draft a safety, they didn't draft a corner.
Speaker 1: Do they have an NBA problem? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I had more than one tweet talking about the three
Speaker 1: defenders surrounding number eighty four. You me and Tony could
Speaker 1: have tackled that guy.
Speaker 7: I know, low, you go high. All you got to
Speaker 7: do is get him to the ground. So the frustrating
Speaker 7: thing is you knew what was gonna happen. You knew
Speaker 7: what the Bengals scored. You know, Aam Taylor, the previous
Speaker 7: driver or two drives prior got crushed on social media
Speaker 7: for the challenge where ultimately gave Chicago a touchdown, and
Speaker 7: I thought, what's the worst that can happen? You're just
Speaker 7: gonna hasten the inevitable because you know the Bengals defense
Speaker 7: is going to give up scores when the game is
Speaker 7: hanging in the back a lot. It has been the
Speaker 7: case now for a while, and the longer it persists,
Speaker 7: the less trustworthy this organization is that they're going to
Speaker 7: figure out, like, you've got to start from scratch with
Speaker 7: next year's defense. We're not supposed to be starting from
Speaker 7: scratch during the Joe Burrow era.
Speaker 1: How do you tackle somebody?
Speaker 7: We're supposed to be competing for championships in the Joe
Speaker 7: Burrow era? Are you competing for championships if you're starting
Speaker 7: from scratch? The answer is no, So.
Speaker 1: What do you do? You're now Duke Tobin, Mike Brown,
Speaker 1: Katie Burnt, Blackburn Brown, your Troy Blackburn Brown, You're Paul H. Brown,
Speaker 1: You're all the Browns. It's a mom and pop operation
Speaker 1: worth billions of dollars, by the way I read online. Yeah,
Speaker 1: big game on Saturday with Ohio State and Penn State.
Speaker 1: Lots of NFL talent, would you agree? Tons who didn't
Speaker 1: send a scout to that game? So the Bengals not correct?
Speaker 7: If I'm Paul, Katie, Troy, Elizabeth, Carolyn, Paul H. Whoever
Speaker 7: at all, and I'm sitting there with Duke Tobin, we're
Speaker 7: asking the simple question, why haven't you been able to
Speaker 7: fix this? And why should I trust you to fix
Speaker 7: something that you haven't up able?
Speaker 1: Doesn't talk at all?
Speaker 7: Right, Oftentimes during a bye week, the personnel person for
Speaker 7: a professional football team will be available. He's never available.
Speaker 7: He's available at the scouting combine, which he should be,
Speaker 7: and they make him available during the mock Turtle Soup
Speaker 7: thing where everybody asked Mike Brown question questions maybe you
Speaker 7: and I should go to that, and so, to a degree,
Speaker 7: I feel bad for Zach Taylor, and trust me, Zach
Speaker 7: is is not somebody who's absolved of blaming here, but
Speaker 7: he is the spokesperson for the franchise, and I think
Speaker 7: to a degree the spokesperson for things is in tears.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure he's completely responsible.
Speaker 1: For who's more likely to hold a news conference at
Speaker 1: four o'clock today, Aftab pureval Are, Duke Tobin.
Speaker 7: Well, that's a very good question. I'm gonna say Aftab
Speaker 7: really yeah, because.
Speaker 1: He's under eight and one plumbers. He's not talking. But
Speaker 1: after seven people shot yesterday and he's under he's holder.
Speaker 7: And I thought I thought putting the police chief on
Speaker 7: administrative leave was going to solve that.
Speaker 1: You're making no sense at all.
Speaker 7: Oh, I thought they were gonna put the chief on
Speaker 7: leave and all the crime was gonna it's acting.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, So you didn't answer my question.
Speaker 7: How many of the people who shot others this weekend
Speaker 7: were out only low bond all of them, including well,
Speaker 7: you know the dude who broke into my house, he's
Speaker 7: on bonders. Anne Hathaway just let him walk, just no
Speaker 7: bond at all when they arrested that.
Speaker 1: I judge Hathaway did. I helped to get into law school.
Speaker 7: Alie Hachaway just used to work here. Just let him
Speaker 7: walk when he got arrested. So you know it's a
Speaker 7: criminal defense attorney. You like to hear this guy? I can,
Speaker 7: I can certainly, I can certainly speak from experience.
Speaker 1: I talked to the Magic Man about this. You want
Speaker 1: to get your cases in front of Judge Hathaway and
Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyers do that. Fortunately, Judge Gearing did hear that.
Speaker 7: Did do the trials for both guys who busted into
Speaker 7: my house, and he took care of him, and Hathaway
Speaker 7: not so much. Well that's your friend anyway. You right,
Speaker 7: no problem with Anne until they're all who busted in
Speaker 7: my house? I hey here, fine, you want to go
Speaker 7: home for dinner? Goes God reparative justice not for you,
Speaker 7: but for the Criminalso.
Speaker 1: Tooba's not going to talk today.
Speaker 7: How about to Tap Pure of All is not going
Speaker 7: to talk today, and Hathaway's not going to talk today.
Speaker 1: Mike Brown's not going to talk today. Are you talking?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've got a lot on my mind.
Speaker 1: All right. Secondly, I'm glad you brought this up. I
Speaker 1: could talk about FC who got hammered. I could talk
Speaker 1: about you see I got hammered. I could talk about
Speaker 1: Deer Park High school. I got hammered. But when number
Speaker 1: eighty four yesterday about four point thirty ran into the.
Speaker 7: End zone for the Bear, I didn't even make this connection.
Speaker 1: I make connections you don't. Yes, I thought about Bob Trumpy,
Speaker 1: your memories of the great Trumpster.
Speaker 7: Godfather, excuse me, godfather of sports talk in this town.
Speaker 7: The first time I was ever asked to do six
Speaker 7: to nine on this radio station, I said, Holy hell,
Speaker 7: I get a chance to fill in on the show
Speaker 7: that Bob Trumpy hosted created, And as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 7: you know is since it's been Chris Collinsworth and Andy
Speaker 7: Furman and Paul Doherty and Lance McAllister and awesome host
Speaker 7: Tom Gamble and Tom Gamble, it's still Bob Trumpy Show
Speaker 7: and always will be, even though he hasn't hosted it
Speaker 7: on a regular basis in thirty five years. Here's my
Speaker 7: favorite part of Bob Trumpy. So in two thousand, we
Speaker 7: got the radio rights back and they were trying to
Speaker 7: figure out what the coverage was going.
Speaker 1: To be, like, who was gonna do what Mike Brown said?
Speaker 1: Forgot about Bob Trumpy.
Speaker 7: So we got Trumpy. We hired Bob Trumpy back to
Speaker 7: do two things. He did a show on Thursdays with Boomerisiasin,
Speaker 7: and they got Bob to do a segment on the
Speaker 7: pregame show, the Countdown to Kickoff Show, where he would
Speaker 7: talk with the other team's head coach. And so at
Speaker 7: the time, I was working in the morning with Jim
Speaker 7: and I was told, hey, we need you to record
Speaker 7: this segment every week with Bob Trumpy. And what's gonna
Speaker 7: happen is Trump's gonna call you and he's gonna tell
Speaker 7: you what time he's going to interview the coach of
Speaker 7: whatever team the Bengals are playing. So the first week,
Speaker 7: they played the Cleveland Browns and I think Chris Palmer
Speaker 7: was the head coach. But Bob Trump he calls me.
Speaker 7: I had never spoken to him. I'd never talked to him,
Speaker 7: but I was told like, hey, we know you like
Speaker 7: to mess with people, Mo, you really can't screw around
Speaker 7: with Bob Trumpy. So Trump calls and he's like, and
Speaker 7: again I think it was Chris Palmer, but he goes,
Speaker 7: Chris Palmer is gonna call the studio between one and
Speaker 7: four thirty on Wednesday, I'll see you there. And then
Speaker 7: the next week it was like Bill Belichick or somebody.
Speaker 7: It was like Bill Belichick is gonna call Thursday between
Speaker 7: two and five, or Jeff Fisher is gonna call us
Speaker 7: on Wednesday between eleven am and fours like the cableman.
Speaker 7: So every week, like Judge Hathaway, Monday would call. Bob
Speaker 7: would call me on Monday and tell me. This was
Speaker 7: for four years, tell me which coach you know, you
Speaker 7: knew which coach it was gonna be, Hey, this coach
Speaker 7: is gonna call. And it was always in this large window.
Speaker 7: So in Mount Adams we had a studio studio KA,
Speaker 7: which was like the studio where they took all the
Speaker 7: really old equipment and you just said, so, Bob and
Speaker 7: I would sit in this studio for hours on end.
Speaker 7: He'd be chainsmoking cigarettes I know, and right, I mean
Speaker 7: the guy I know, you know, and you would tell
Speaker 7: him like, I'm not sure, okay, fine, I'll keep that
Speaker 7: in mind. So for four months, every week, usually on Wednesdays,
Speaker 7: I would sit in a room just like this one,
Speaker 7: just me and Trump, and it occurred, you know what,
Speaker 7: this is the greatest ever at.
Speaker 1: What I want to do.
Speaker 7: Maybe it would behoove me to start like talking to
Speaker 7: this guy and get him to tell stories, and so
Speaker 7: it became the favorite, My favorite part of my week,
Speaker 7: sitting in a room for three or four hours waiting
Speaker 7: for the phone ring, And the best part is when
Speaker 7: the coach would call. Bob would talk to the coach
Speaker 7: off the record for twenty minutes, and he would never
Speaker 7: let me hit record until it was time to record,
Speaker 7: And so I would listen to Bob Trump, he talked
Speaker 7: to Bill Cower, Bill Belichick, all these coaches off the
Speaker 7: record about their teams, about god knows what. He was
Speaker 7: still doing games for Westwood One on Sunday nights.
Speaker 1: He was still back.
Speaker 7: Was wonderful and it was my favorite part of the
Speaker 7: week where I would listen to Bob talk to these coaches,
Speaker 7: the on the record stuff that we recorded. Who cares
Speaker 7: it was all the stuff they talked about off air.
Speaker 7: And then in the hours leading up to that, just
Speaker 7: hanging out with Bob, getting him to tell stories, picking
Speaker 7: his brain, making fun of him, him, making fun of me,
Speaker 7: enjoying that laugh that he had, which Chris Collinsworth talked
Speaker 7: about on TV last night.
Speaker 1: He's just the best. He is just the absolute best.
Speaker 1: He lived a good life in his long life and
Speaker 1: he was a great football player. NBC Olympics and also
Speaker 1: the NFL and also the Masters and more. But thank
Speaker 1: you for breaking down the fact that Duke Tobin is
Speaker 1: doing a great job. We need more of this. And
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 7: And by the way, they should have had the Ring
Speaker 7: of Honor years ago so Bob could be in while
Speaker 7: he was alive.
Speaker 1: Same thing, same thing I've said it often give roses
Speaker 1: to the living spill Cunningham seven hundred ww. Listen.
Speaker 4: One thing that helps me a great deal, and there's
Speaker 4: no denying this. Working for NBC and doing football games
Speaker 4: is helps me im miserably. As an example, and I
Speaker 4: don't mean to drop names, but just to give you
Speaker 4: an example of what happened to me over the weekend.
Speaker 4: Last Friday, I talked for forty five minutes with Pete Rose,
Speaker 4: which will appear on Headfirst. Flew to Los Angeles. As
Speaker 4: soon as I got to Los Angeles, we got in
Speaker 4: the car and drove to Oxnard, California, which is where
Speaker 4: the Los Angeles Raiders work out. I talked with Al
Speaker 4: Davis for three hours. I talked with Tom Floyes for
Speaker 4: an hour and a half said Lord to Lyle Alzaio.
Speaker 4: Chris Barr talked to Jim Plunkett, and I'm not dropping names.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you this is the nature of my business. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is the nature of my business. Yeah, this is
Speaker 4: the nature of my business. So you hear opinions from
Speaker 4: other people. That was Friday. Saturday. I get up, walk
Speaker 4: down to the Hyatt Regency in downtown Los Angeles. I
Speaker 4: have a cup of coffee with Don Shula, talk to
Speaker 4: him for about an hour and a half, shoot the breeze,
Speaker 4: get out to the ballpark. I spoke with Danny Thomas.
Speaker 4: He was at the game and had just seen Don Kraik.
Speaker 4: Can I do a broadcast and shot the breeze with
Speaker 4: him for a little bit. I talk with Al Lokasal
Speaker 4: Paul Zimmerman. I saw last weekend of Sports Illustrated. So
Speaker 4: the people I come in contact with are my biggest
Speaker 4: source of information. I listen more than I talk. When
Speaker 4: I travel here, I talk on the air, I talk,
Speaker 4: but all the rest of the time I do an
Speaker 4: awful lot of listening.
Speaker 1: Hello, quiet and I'm Scots. I'm broadcasting and by the way,
Speaker 1: segment I am coming up after two o'clock, your friend
Speaker 1: Ken Kober of the Police Union responding to your buddy
Speaker 1: Iris Rowlie and her on tourage. She was like a
Speaker 1: rock star walking around and an entourage. This sounds like
Speaker 1: a mess. And segment also before they're finding guns on
Speaker 1: the side of the road, right, where'd that come from?
Speaker 7: Don't know?
Speaker 1: Guns? Where seven people were shot, and Iris Roli says
Speaker 1: she has lots of work to do. Iteg before you start,
Speaker 1: I want to say this also, you said this off
Speaker 1: the air. Between nineteen eighty four and nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: it was Jim Scott, then Mike McConnell ten to three right,
Speaker 1: and then Gary from three to six right, then Trumpy
Speaker 1: six to nine, slash Collinsworth slash Furman correct, then nine
Speaker 1: to one, and then nine to midnight was me right,
Speaker 1: then the truck and Bozo Dale summers until six o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, start all over again for those sixteen years.
Speaker 1: Not a bad lineup, excellent, And then I went to middays.
Speaker 1: Then I went to Jim Scott, Mike McConnell, Bill Cunningham,
Speaker 1: Gary Burbank, still Collinsworth, Trumpy, then Scott Sloan, then the
Speaker 1: Truck and Bozo also got a bad lineup, would you agree? Correct?
Speaker 1: Now get into it. Before you get into it, I
Speaker 1: want to review a little bit what happened Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: Sunday at Are you prepared? Go ahead? Wasn't good? Before
Speaker 1: you get into it. Yeah, my dear parm Cincinnati. It's
Speaker 1: nothing about the past, nothing about the futures. Right now
Speaker 1: we're tramps Cincinnati. Guess who has the game with North
Speaker 1: Carolina this Saturday on the CW. Don't tell me it's
Speaker 1: Rocky Boyman Tom Brenneman. I want to talk to Tom.
Speaker 1: One of my great fans, Tim Meltzner. Yes, who's in
Speaker 1: delphas close to Anna?
Speaker 7: Anna?
Speaker 6: Over?
Speaker 1: The Rockets played Friday night Deer Park. Sure did so?
Speaker 1: Like Anna is a woman beat up on the park.
Speaker 1: I have a clip of the scoreboard sent by this
Speaker 1: Meltner character, fifty four to fifteen deer Park not on top. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, at least they made it, will he?
Speaker 1: You know? Unlike Cole Raine correct Saturday. Many other teams
Speaker 1: didn't make it either. The Bearcats Saturday night, I had
Speaker 1: a lot at landed the Utes ass kicking in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City. I was like forty five to fourteen but
Speaker 1: then I had hope for Sunday. I do with with
Speaker 1: a minute to go, then we'll talk about that in
Speaker 1: a moment. Then Sunday night. Yeah, FC goes to Colion
Speaker 1: of the crew. Correct, and uh, there were twenty shots
Speaker 1: on goal by both teams in the entire game for nil.
Speaker 1: And guess what, FC Cincinnati had one shot on goal
Speaker 1: and that was it. And by the way, yeah, this
Speaker 1: Delphis character who's sending me this negative information? Metner? If
Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly, I'm not sure. I think it's Metner.
Speaker 1: I want to take pictures if we played basketball against
Speaker 1: that woman named Anna, what happens there? Seg Now get
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Speaker 1: On the Bengals, I put on my ex account and
Speaker 1: uh a certain picture which you can see right here.
Speaker 1: They have three Bengals surrounding one guy. That is mister
Speaker 1: Colston Leonard, the rookie Bob Trump. He's number eighty four.
Speaker 1: What were the odds of those three guys in that
Speaker 1: pick right there not tackling. All they had to do
Speaker 1: was knock him down at the game right They can't
Speaker 1: do it? No, they bounced off of him like a
Speaker 1: rubber ball, and then mister Leonard ran ran into for
Speaker 1: the touchdown with seventeen seconds to go to crush Bengals
Speaker 1: Nation Tony second week in a row that the defensive
Speaker 1: team has been banished from the locker room. They're gonna
Speaker 1: dress for the next two weeks. Visiting reports are that
Speaker 1: the I guess the media tried to talk to various
Speaker 1: defensive players yesterday. They laughed and said we'll see you Monday,
Speaker 1: and walked out. How about Ivy lines up on a
Speaker 1: field goal attempt by the Bears offside? Thank you? He
Speaker 1: misses the field goal, they get five yards, Bears go
Speaker 1: down and score seven. What about Ivy? The defensive team
Speaker 1: is laughing at their performance. Do you think there's a
Speaker 1: cultural problem inside that locker room? Zach zach Schula? How
Speaker 1: bad is it? Something's wrong? Willy because of another excruciating loss.
Speaker 1: Say that the Bengals have allowed twenty seven or more
Speaker 1: points in eight consecutive games. They missed fifteen tackles yesterday
Speaker 1: for additional one hundred and thirty three yards. Last three weeks,
Speaker 1: they've allowed one hundred and nineteen points and nearly fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred yards. They're the doors they're going to. They're going
Speaker 1: into the bye week, then, Pittsburgh. Let's see more tonight
Speaker 1: on Bengals line. Let's hear it all, six oh five,
Speaker 1: get it done. The Bengals are still asking for a
Speaker 1: first round pick in any deal deal for Trey Hendrix
Speaker 1: saf he can't play. The tray deadline is tomorrow at
Speaker 1: four o'clo can't play well. I don't know what to tight.
Speaker 1: You should we trade Joe Burrow but he can't play either.
Speaker 1: He's hurt. I'm sorry, I can't play. Let's see soccer.
Speaker 1: Columbus Routes FC Cincinnati four nil. What did I say
Speaker 1: to you on Friday? On Monday afternoon? Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: sit here. Right, You've got deer Park against uh Anna,
Speaker 1: the Rockets, got the bear Cats against the Utes. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've got the Bengalleys against the Bears. Right, we have
Speaker 1: FC against the Crew. Yep, let's go two out of four,
Speaker 1: maybe three out of four? What happened?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: For four? Who played worse? Deer Park High School, the Bearcats,
Speaker 1: the Bengals or FC, all of them? Decisive? Game three
Speaker 1: is Saturday night, six o'clock at TQL Stadium. Good luck,
Speaker 1: that's uh you know, had no shots on FC. If
Speaker 1: you can't shoot at the goal, you can't score, right,
Speaker 1: uh so one and the other team had nineteen shots
Speaker 1: on goal and made four. College basketball opens up tonight,
Speaker 1: Bearcats against Western Carolina six thirty seven under WLW Mariston
Speaker 1: Xavior centas center six forty five fifty five KRC. Here
Speaker 1: we go NKU and UC Claremont six thirty on the project.
Speaker 1: Did you like Irish Rollie and her entourage? I did
Speaker 1: not see her. It was like a rock star. She
Speaker 1: wanted to meet you. No, she didn't. Old Dominion up
Speaker 1: against the Miami RedHawks, Canisius and Dayton, Ohio State, and
Speaker 1: IU Indianapolis. Franklin meets Wright State in Louisville takes on
Speaker 1: South Carolina State. Seke up against the clock. Please give
Speaker 1: me out of the students report, and I want to
Speaker 1: let the American people know now at one o seven,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry two oh seven and today Ken Kober, the
Speaker 1: sergeant of CPD, responds to Irish Rowlie, whoa by the way,
Speaker 1: she wants to do a podcast with me. Will you
Speaker 1: and I have a beautiful day here at the Tri
Speaker 1: State and just somebody went around here? Will you we
Speaker 1: leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge report?
Speaker 4: Nope?
Speaker 1: Comments is that Duke Tobin he's not talking. No, nobody
Speaker 1: is an unnamed Bengal official right there. Well, do you
Speaker 1: think they owe us an explanation for the team they
Speaker 1: put together on defense and need to do something? No comments?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well they're they're not talking us to pr
Speaker 1: director for the Bengals, Sea wouldn't want to be on
Speaker 1: seven hundred w W more of the Bengals debacle and
Speaker 1: Sports Park the first of all, for those who named
Speaker 1: a listening, it will be on the on the podcast
Speaker 1: quite soon. My interview with Iris Rowley, who's the shall
Speaker 1: we say a collaborator. My first question of her was,
Speaker 1: how can you collaborate with a part of the collaborative,
Speaker 1: which is the Cincinnati Police a thousand members strong, when
Speaker 1: the police union believes that you're wrongfully interfering with the
Speaker 1: rest on the street and that's somehow they don't want
Speaker 1: to collaborate with you. In fact, they've had to vote
Speaker 1: of no confidence or something of that character. Joining you
Speaker 1: and I now is Ken Kober, who's the president of
Speaker 1: Queen City Lodge sixty nine, which is the police union
Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati, about nine hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: members strong. And Ken Kober a sergeant. Welcome again to
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. Can you answer the question about
Speaker 1: whether or not Irish Rowley, in her official capacity, interfered
Speaker 1: with an arrest and then what came of that, if anything?
Speaker 10: Actually she did twice, you know those videos, of course
Speaker 10: got out on social media about that officers are frustrated.
Speaker 1: They're frustrated that it was going on.
Speaker 10: And I had a conversation with Iris and explain to
Speaker 10: her that you're lucky you didn't get arrested, and you
Speaker 10: will likely come across the wrong officers or the right
Speaker 10: officers that are going to make that decision, and it
Speaker 10: would likely be bad for you. So luckily, it seems
Speaker 10: like she is quieted down. Obviously, I haven't got any
Speaker 10: reports of her interfering with officers lately, which is good and.
Speaker 1: That's not her job. But nonetheless, also coming from that,
Speaker 1: she said, the media reported that after Purival, who right
Speaker 1: now this Monday afternoon is hunting out somewhere under a
Speaker 1: cavern under eight oh one Plum Street until tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: that he was going to speak to her, give her
Speaker 1: a talking to about what should do and what not do,
Speaker 1: and she kind of denied that occurred too. Is that
Speaker 1: you're understanding the mayor or the city manager's share a
Speaker 1: long spoke to her about interfering with police arrest Is
Speaker 1: that your understanding?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I talked to the city manager directly,
Speaker 10: and she said that she would be having a conversation
Speaker 10: with Iris explain to the city manager that if that
Speaker 10: happens again, the next officer is likely going to arrest her,
Speaker 10: and the city manager indicated that she understood and that
Speaker 10: she would be having a conversation with her to correct
Speaker 10: this baby and.
Speaker 1: Iris really would not confirm that took place, nor confirm
Speaker 1: whether or not she was told what not to do.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about a week or two ago
Speaker 1: when she was given a contract extension I think it
Speaker 1: was three years, about three hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to consult with the city. How did that make you feel.
Speaker 1: We know the city waste money, unfortunately on a lot
Speaker 1: of things.
Speaker 10: As far as I'm concerned, as long as she stays
Speaker 10: out of the operations of the police, I don't care
Speaker 10: what they I don't care what they pay her for,
Speaker 10: and I don't care what she does as long as
Speaker 10: she's not out interfering with officers.
Speaker 1: In fact, I told her off there. Look, if somebody
Speaker 1: offers you or me or ken Kober one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a year to do no work, no
Speaker 1: show up job, simply to every now and then go
Speaker 1: to government Square, most of us would take the job anyway,
Speaker 1: not a bad gig. As far as the central point,
Speaker 1: Ken Kober step it back from this, and I made
Speaker 1: the point to her that there's numerous police agencies just
Speaker 1: in Hamilton County. I think there's fifteen or eighteen something
Speaker 1: like that, Sharonville, Madeira, Green Township, fair Factor. There's lots
Speaker 1: of police agencies. None of them have a collaborative and
Speaker 1: none of them have someone like Irish Roly keeping an
Speaker 1: eye on the cops. None of them have federal court supervision.
Speaker 1: And so I asked her, is something unique about Cincinnati
Speaker 1: cops that have had black police chiefs, black captains, black
Speaker 1: city managers, black mayor that somehow in the city of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: the cops in Cincinnati are more racist than cops everywhere
Speaker 1: else in Hamilton County, much less the dry state. And
Speaker 1: she set off paraphrase, Well, they need supervision too, they
Speaker 1: need help. Is that you're understanding, you've been there twenty
Speaker 1: five or thirty years that Cincinnati police have a racial
Speaker 1: bias or prejudice against black people.
Speaker 10: No, they absolutely did not, and it's been time and
Speaker 10: time again that they don't. And you know, you understand
Speaker 10: that this collaborative agreement This is all now voluntary. The
Speaker 10: city doesn't have to abide by it. There's no court order,
Speaker 10: there's nothing. They just continue to go by what they've
Speaker 10: gone for you know, the last twenty four years.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: For those listening around the nation, what does the collaborative
Speaker 1: specifically do that the loss of an Irish really would hurt.
Speaker 1: What does it actually do for the men and women
Speaker 1: in blue in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: I don't think it does anything really to help.
Speaker 10: In fact, you know, there is a belief out there
Speaker 10: that the Collaborative agreement could be holding back the police
Speaker 10: department from progressing further. I'm not saying that it's a
Speaker 10: bad idea necessarily to have it, but I certainly think
Speaker 10: that there should be opportunity for it to be tweaked.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's all about community policing.
Speaker 10: Which we've done anyway. You know, a good beat officer
Speaker 10: knows everybody on their beat. That is community policing in
Speaker 10: its rawlest form. So you know, something that we're just
Speaker 10: volunteering to abide by, it doesn't It doesn't make a
Speaker 10: whole lot of sense. But I also really could care less.
Speaker 1: Are you saying the city would be better off without
Speaker 1: the collaborative.
Speaker 10: I think they should look at how it can be
Speaker 10: tweaked to progress this police officer, this police department further.
Speaker 1: That is what I think.
Speaker 5: Do I care if it doesn't matter like so, we
Speaker 5: followed this for twenty four years now.
Speaker 10: No, they do it voluntarily, but I certainly think there
Speaker 10: would be an opportunity to see if we could progress
Speaker 10: this police department further.
Speaker 1: About a month or two ago, when she interfered with
Speaker 1: the first or second arrest, which by the way, is
Speaker 1: a crime, and if a normal citizen had done exactly
Speaker 1: the factual acts of virus rely they would have been
Speaker 1: charged without question. But because at one point she said,
Speaker 1: do you know who I am? Do you know who
Speaker 1: I am? Didn't she say that in one of the
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice events? Absolutely? What did the officer say
Speaker 1: when she said you know who I am? I am
Speaker 1: went to the officer of the female cop, do so,
Speaker 1: I'm well aware of who you are? Because and then
Speaker 1: she had to be careful. The message was you got
Speaker 1: to be careful, careful because this is iris Roley. You
Speaker 1: got to be careful. And you might recall when that
Speaker 1: happened and the FOP did you issue on the fop's part.
Speaker 1: Was it a condemnation, was it a reprimand was it
Speaker 1: a suggestion she'd be fired? What action did the FOP
Speaker 1: take against Iris Roley.
Speaker 10: I actually filed a complaint with Central HR, which I
Speaker 10: was then told that, well, we're not even going to
Speaker 10: investigate this because she's not an employee, although there are
Speaker 10: part of the administrative regulations that say if you are
Speaker 10: a contractor, you have to abide by the same rules
Speaker 10: that a city employee does, and they just they refused
Speaker 10: even investigated.
Speaker 1: So they said we're not going to so politically that
Speaker 1: the city knew not to investigate Irish Rowley. Is that
Speaker 1: fair to say? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: One of the events that happened and after you and
Speaker 1: the police said we can't have this, is that there
Speaker 1: was some question whether the contract was going to be renewed,
Speaker 1: and so Iris Rowley called out the Blackfist and other
Speaker 1: so called left wing civil rights groups to protest on
Speaker 1: the steps of city Hall, to send a message to
Speaker 1: the mayor and to share along. You know what this
Speaker 1: has got a downside was that an implicit threat by
Speaker 1: the Blackfist that there'd be difficulties in the city unless
Speaker 1: they renewed her contract.
Speaker 5: I think one could certainly believe that that absolutely was
Speaker 5: the case.
Speaker 1: As far as moving forward, I understand that you may
Speaker 1: be leaving in a year or two and you're either
Speaker 1: going to age out or retire out to say I
Speaker 1: can't do it anymore is the city and you've been
Speaker 1: there for twenty five or thirty years since the collaborative began.
Speaker 1: I think, like in twenty oh two or something like that.
Speaker 1: How much more professional is CPD today than it was
Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty years ago.
Speaker 10: Oh, I think the police department has grown a lot.
Speaker 10: There's been a lot of positive changes that have been made.
Speaker 10: Like I said, I'm not saying that that this is
Speaker 10: a bad thing, but I do think that it could
Speaker 10: be holding the police department back. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 10: there's no doubt that we continue to progress as a
Speaker 10: police department constantly. You know, it's a different department even
Speaker 10: from five years ago, and that's because of the work
Speaker 10: of the people that are there. The cops are absolutely fantastic,
Speaker 10: but if you always have to be trying to become
Speaker 10: a better police officer and a better police department.
Speaker 1: Was the thiji I called her discharge the odds era
Speaker 1: coming back. It's about the same odds of segment Dennis
Speaker 1: and dunkin of basketball on a ten foot high court
Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen. She's gone. Russin. One of the officers
Speaker 1: involved with Thiji told me that Irish really told them
Speaker 1: that the chief of police should not be fired. And
Speaker 1: is that you're understanding that the Thiji is not coming
Speaker 1: back and that it appears that her days are numbered.
Speaker 1: I was told by a little birdie when she was
Speaker 1: in Denver her days are in single digits. She's not
Speaker 1: going to make it. And that's enraged a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of people. So is there a sense that if Henny's involved,
Speaker 1: what are your feelings about Captain Adam Henny, who's now
Speaker 1: the arm Chief being the chief of police going forward.
Speaker 10: Well, I can tell you, first of all, it would
Speaker 10: not surprise me if she doesn't come back, and quite honestly,
Speaker 10: after the way she's been treated, I wouldn't want to
Speaker 10: come back if I was her, I would want to
Speaker 10: get whatever severance I can get and just go away
Speaker 10: and go and enjoy my retirement because it's absolutely just
Speaker 10: shameful the way she was treated. Now, going to Colonel Henney,
Speaker 10: I actually worked for him in the Central Business section.
Speaker 10: He is an absolute fantastic leader, you know. But it
Speaker 10: all comes down to is city Hall going to allow
Speaker 10: him to do the things that he needs to do
Speaker 10: to get this police department where it needs to be.
Speaker 10: And that's that's what's you have to be seen, you know.
Speaker 10: But you could say the same thing for Chief Fiji.
Speaker 10: If she was allowed to run the apartment the way
Speaker 10: she saw fit and not be influenced by city Hall,
Speaker 10: I think we probably would have a different police department.
Speaker 1: So we'll see moving forward how it works out with
Speaker 1: Colonel Henney. A little Bertie told me that the line
Speaker 1: officers who investigated the matters of July twenty sixth, especially
Speaker 1: about Alex Shrevinsky. A Bertie told me that the line
Speaker 1: officers who did the investigation did not want to file
Speaker 1: criminal charges. And in fact I was also told that
Speaker 1: Thiji as the chief, would not sign on the dotted
Speaker 1: line that the officer believed that a crime was committed
Speaker 1: by Alex Servinsky against the future criminal defendants. Is it
Speaker 1: true to the best year knowledge that Captain Henny, now
Speaker 1: the interim chief, is the one who signed the charges
Speaker 1: against Alex Shrevinsky as the innocent white person charged. Is
Speaker 1: that your understanding?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5: Ordered by the city solicitor to city solicitor to sign
Speaker 5: the charges.
Speaker 1: Did Emily smart Warner, who's the city solicitor, to your knowledge,
Speaker 1: did she do any factual investigation at all to form
Speaker 1: the basis of filling criminal charges against an innocent person?
Speaker 1: Did she actually personally do any investigation? Not that I'm
Speaker 1: aware of, but the line officers said, don't do it.
Speaker 1: So when we had the city leaders lemon Kearney and
Speaker 1: others stand up and say we want a white person
Speaker 1: to be charged, did the city council members and the
Speaker 1: so called civil rights community at that point know that
Speaker 1: the charges were false because the three CDC tape showed
Speaker 1: that the first person that threw the first punch was
Speaker 1: a black male who hit Alex t in the back
Speaker 1: of the head twice. Did the city fathers and mothers
Speaker 1: know that when they demanded the city charges be filed
Speaker 1: against Stravinsky they alleged white guy.
Speaker 10: There was certain video that they refused to watch, which
Speaker 10: would have been that video that showed what actually occurred.
Speaker 5: And you know, it wasn't just the officers that said
Speaker 5: we shouldn't sign these charges.
Speaker 10: This went to the prosecutor's office and they said, you're right,
Speaker 10: don't sign these charges. Somehow, then city hall gets involved
Speaker 10: and they ordered to sign have them signed charges.
Speaker 1: When you say the prosecutor's office, you mean Connie Pillag.
Speaker 5: The city and county prosecutor's office.
Speaker 1: So Connie Pillage, how many county prosecutor said, no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to charge this guy because of the color
Speaker 1: of his skin. We're going to charge based upon merit
Speaker 1: and based upon the facts. So Connie Pillag, how many
Speaker 1: county prosecutor, the city solicitor, the city prosecutor's office, not
Speaker 1: the solicitor. The city prosecutor said, don't do it. The
Speaker 1: line officer said, don't do it. Thiji said don't do it.
Speaker 1: But then the city solicitor, Emily smart Warner got involved
Speaker 1: and said, file criminal charges against a person because of
Speaker 1: the color of their skin, even though the facts don't
Speaker 1: indicate it. Is that accurate? If those are the facts
Speaker 1: as I knowed them, right then, lastly, I spoke to
Speaker 1: an official and the Department of Justice who said this
Speaker 1: amount being investigated as a civil rights violation. So those
Speaker 1: involved in this decision proudly stood up like a tenfold
Speaker 1: beacon in the night and said, bring in the cameras,
Speaker 1: bring in the microphones. As the city leaders, we're going
Speaker 1: to state we want a white person charged with a crime.
Speaker 1: And it happened. And when you live in a city
Speaker 1: or a state or anywhere in America and civil authorities
Speaker 1: say we want a person charged because of the color
Speaker 1: of their skin, how wrong is that?
Speaker 5: That's absolutely wrong. Anytime you have politics that are meddling
Speaker 5: and policing, you know we have this. We have bad
Speaker 5: decisions that are made not off of fact, but off
Speaker 5: of feeling, off of what are ever political motivation.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely wrong. And lastly, Ken Kober, Chief, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: the head of the union. I'll put another log on
Speaker 1: the fire. Last week I had on attorney Doug Brannon,
Speaker 1: who the attorney for Alex Stravinsky, and the discovery given
Speaker 1: to him by the city Prosecutor's office. They did not
Speaker 1: include the three c DC tape that showed Alex t
Speaker 1: did not start the fight. They did not put that
Speaker 1: in there. He said. The first time I saw it
Speaker 1: was last night on Fox nineteen, and I said, well,
Speaker 1: obviously the charges will be dismissed at some point soon
Speaker 1: he said, I'm sure what's going to happen after the election.
Speaker 1: We're going to get the tape from three c DC
Speaker 1: that showed Alex t did not originate anything. He was
Speaker 1: a victim from the get go. How does that make
Speaker 1: you feel when the US Department of Justice is looking
Speaker 1: at criminal charges against the mayor, the vice mayor and
Speaker 1: others including Emily Smart and Warner and I guess chief
Speaker 1: of police now Henny are being looked at criminally by
Speaker 1: the US Department of Justice for filing criminal charges against
Speaker 1: the person because of the color of their skin.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, somebody's got to investigate this to determine
Speaker 10: if any laws had been broken.
Speaker 1: You know, that's all part of this process. Yes, I
Speaker 1: certainly welcome this. Isn't it a crime if a city
Speaker 1: or state official says, in the color of state law,
Speaker 1: under color of law, we're going to file charges against
Speaker 1: somebody because they're white or black, right? I think I
Speaker 1: think they're going to have some problems.
Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, all right?
Speaker 1: Once again, Ken Cober, I wanted you respond to what
Speaker 1: Alice Iris really talked about and segment. Dennison has been
Speaker 1: close to Iris really for a long time, and so
Speaker 1: I think it's great that we get her on a
Speaker 1: get her viewpoint heard and Ken Cobra once again, thanks
Speaker 1: for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you again. Sure,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. God bless you. Let's continue with more.
Speaker 1: You know, democrats in the South for years and decades
Speaker 1: would file criminal charges against people because of the color
Speaker 1: of their skin black. Here we are half a century
Speaker 1: later now city state officials, including Cecil Thomas state representative,
Speaker 1: once criminal charges filed against somebody because of the color
Speaker 1: of their skin white. Cunningham News Radio seven hundreds.
Speaker 11: You better make up your mind what you're gonna do.
Speaker 11: It's your football team. Find a way to fix it.
Speaker 11: Rache down inside and be a pro.
Speaker 1: Hello, by it, I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 11: You better make up your mind what you're gonna do.
Speaker 11: It's your football team. Find a way to fix it.
Speaker 11: Rag down inside and be a pro.
Speaker 1: Was that Zach Shula after the game? Because Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: to say he's coming back. Lewis is coming back, that's
Speaker 1: what they're saying here right, Well, we need something. How
Speaker 1: about John Gruden? When Mike Brown pop up? Mike Brown,
Speaker 1: how are someone good to come in? That's stupid. The coach.
Speaker 1: The head coach is not the issue. Is your guy
Speaker 1: the person who sacks? Then how about Duke Tobin? What
Speaker 1: about him? Twenty five years? They have a special original pancake, Yes,
Speaker 1: the samar Stewart special extra special pancake. That's one. I
Speaker 1: can't understand him to have a body like a Greek
Speaker 1: god like he does and have come out of two
Speaker 1: straight games with no tackles none. Yes, Dave, he's hot.
Speaker 1: Break it down? What do we got here? Breaking it up?
Speaker 1: Not the super Bowl? We're not talking about Derrick Park
Speaker 1: losing a woman name. I mean the Bengal defensively in particular.
Speaker 1: You got a few trades here. You can start benching
Speaker 1: starters just to send a message in the well, can
Speaker 1: they can it be that much worse?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: You can?
Speaker 1: You know you can start doing that, Maybe start bringing
Speaker 1: in some free agents. Maybe you find a diamond in
Speaker 1: the rough. But this is clearly the thing about next year.
Speaker 1: You can maybe start firing coaches. You can look at trades,
Speaker 1: but who are you going to trade in order to
Speaker 1: get something? You got to give something. Gimpy leg defensive
Speaker 1: end in his thirties who once thirty one years old
Speaker 1: and he hasn't played in two games, So what are
Speaker 1: you gonna get for him? First round draft pick? No,
Speaker 1: they want to first round about Logan Will you might
Speaker 1: get a fourth the third. They're not trading him. He's
Speaker 1: too valuable. Look what he's done this year already. When
Speaker 1: he's on the field. He's not on the field now,
Speaker 1: on the field like Joe is what everyone was saying
Speaker 1: when you know, when all the contract stuff was going, like,
Speaker 1: you're on the kind on the wrong side of thirty.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hey that guy? Did you get here?
Speaker 1: We are on draft choice for no? Of course Duke
Speaker 1: two want to screw that up anyway? Who's feeling real good?
Speaker 1: The last thing we need, the last thing we need
Speaker 1: is more draft picks. We don't draft well, give it
Speaker 1: to Duke more less draft picks. What do we need then?
Speaker 1: Guys that can play football in the national Where's and Romo?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 1: Where's your lou and them? Fired? When I did not
Speaker 1: riding high with uh with the Colts. You're not breaking
Speaker 1: it down, Rock, I need to know what I just
Speaker 1: gave you. The four options a week from some starters,
Speaker 1: bringing free agents, fire coaches, or trade. How about selling
Speaker 1: the team? I'm sorry, moving to Vancouver. This is a
Speaker 1: mom and pop operation worth billions. They have no clue
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Duke Tobin twenty five years? Is that possible?
Speaker 1: This guy been there twenty five years, enjoys a brandy
Speaker 1: with Mikey boy every now and then. That's about it.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna it's not gonna change. Before we go
Speaker 1: to the segment number one, Friday Night, Deer Park versus
Speaker 1: Anna Sannah. Some woman named Anna beat him. Fifty five
Speaker 1: Rocket team rockets down the park. Where were they from? Anna,
Speaker 1: that's the name of the team. Where they from? I
Speaker 1: don't know?
Speaker 4: Up?
Speaker 1: Anna? Ohio? Fool, don't even by Minster? Okay, got you? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's up. This is the first round playoffs. Dear Park
Speaker 1: goes down hard. Then Saturday afternoon the little rock playing
Speaker 1: for the super Bowl. He goes down hard and we
Speaker 1: lost against Central twenty six East Central Black. Look that
Speaker 1: they had a better team than us. They they played well,
Speaker 1: they got a look, they got a great super coaches
Speaker 1: head coach. That fit's a guy named Steve Norton. About
Speaker 1: your roll who took the blame of it, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you, I'm trying to get to this
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and that you get to it, do a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. But nonetheless, Steve Nolner a great guy,
Speaker 1: great football coach. He's an older guy, which made you
Speaker 1: probably want to you probably want to jump on that
Speaker 1: bandwagon tomorrow. But uh, he said, you didn't give me.
Speaker 1: They played twenty twenty to six, twenty to six. That
Speaker 1: was a disaster. And Saturday night the bear Cats the
Speaker 1: boar Cats, according to Andy Mack, the Utes in the
Speaker 1: land of the Utes. What's it like? Forty eight to fourteen,
Speaker 1: forty five? Mc hammer, get him ready. Then then Sunday
Speaker 1: afternoon at the Bacle at pay Court. That the Bacle.
Speaker 1: You should have seen your friends.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: They were five hundred and seventy four yards of offense.
Speaker 1: Is after the Bears. I mean I didn't say the
Speaker 1: eighty five Bears. I just said the Bears. These are
Speaker 1: different thes are the Midway the monsters of the Midway. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Sunday night you had FC and the Crew.
Speaker 1: There were twenty shots on goal by both teams total,
Speaker 1: how many were by FC one they go in the
Speaker 1: net four nil, four nil, one to one. Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Game three, that's where we're deer park down, Little Rock down,
Speaker 1: Rock down, both little rocks down the middle rock went
Speaker 1: down to roll down A Saturday night ute land terrible
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon the Bengals embarrassed themselves once again. Then to
Speaker 1: top it all off, Sunday night FC nothing and they
Speaker 1: get hammer. They're gonna lose this this weekend, I guess.
Speaker 1: And they're done. So do you have any hope? Absolutely none?
Speaker 1: Say give me some sports? Will he the Stoot Reporters
Speaker 1: sprout service, every local tame Star heating and air condisiting dealers,
Speaker 1: Tamestar quality you can feel in beautiful Southeastern Indiana called
Speaker 1: Joe X died at X nine Heating and Gooli at
Speaker 1: eight one two nine three two twenty twenty six. I
Speaker 1: want a first round draft courts for a gimpy leg
Speaker 1: at thirty one year old. They can't play drunk. It's
Speaker 1: the thing. There's there's no one else to to trade.
Speaker 1: What about the second string? Get them in this and
Speaker 1: I have this picture. That's what you do. Maybe you
Speaker 1: just start bringing in guys and maybe it's just going
Speaker 1: to set an example standpoint. You say, look, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna give that kind of effort and tackle that poorly.
Speaker 1: We're just bringing someone else at least motivate them to
Speaker 1: some I put this on myunt. What are the odds
Speaker 1: of those three guys not making that tackle in that position?
Speaker 1: Seem to be triangulated? And number eighty four Bob Trump's
Speaker 1: number on what's the deal with the tackling rock? I
Speaker 1: mean you you've been tackling. You've been tackling since you
Speaker 1: were what three years old? Yes? I mean why do
Speaker 1: they always go to the Why did they go for
Speaker 1: the upper body? Hit the legs? They go high, they
Speaker 1: don't put their head across wrap them. They don't when
Speaker 1: I played football for Gordon Vetterino. Wrap them up tight
Speaker 1: and you don't let go. At some point they're going
Speaker 1: to go down they want. They bounced off that Leonard
Speaker 1: guy like he was. I could talk about this for
Speaker 1: for a long time, but I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: it's hard to get good at anything that you really
Speaker 1: can't practice. You can't practice tackling in season. Now, there's
Speaker 1: things you can do. I don't know if they're doing
Speaker 1: them or not. There's some things you can do. You
Speaker 1: can have collisions. You got to have some sort of collisions, right,
Speaker 1: to have it, because that's a kind of a pretty
Speaker 1: big part of tackling. Would you not agree the collisions,
Speaker 1: but you can do things to minimize the collision and
Speaker 1: make it over a smaller degree of space, But you
Speaker 1: got to do it usually to some degree. Tackling you
Speaker 1: kind of can do it or you can't, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, these three players had them surrounded. I will
Speaker 1: say I will say this too. In my opinion, some
Speaker 1: of the issue is with so many young guys playing.
Speaker 1: Part of tackling is knowing where you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: and have confidence in that, and also knowing where your
Speaker 1: help is. Right. So, if you're a young guy and
Speaker 1: you kind of don't know and boom play happens, and god,
Speaker 1: am I supposed to be in the A gap? And
Speaker 1: if so, who's in the beat? And you don't know that,
Speaker 1: that will cause you to mistack. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Trying to lay it out. I want
Speaker 1: you to break it down at some point.
Speaker 10: It down.
Speaker 1: What about Gordon, your buddy from UH game? What about
Speaker 1: you forget how to coach defense? They've given up three
Speaker 1: hundred points so far in nine games, an all time
Speaker 1: bad record. There's that fall on the players are him.
Speaker 1: Would you say we're getting out schemed? Yes, because we're
Speaker 1: getting out schemed, then you could make that case. What
Speaker 1: about selecting they were getting out schemed. I think we're
Speaker 1: just not making place player I than anything I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If I'm the sep for ever, if I'm the chef
Speaker 1: preparing the food, I want to buy the groceries. Who's
Speaker 1: buying the groceries? Otob been there twenty five years. You
Speaker 1: can't find them with a search warrant. Right now, go ahead?
Speaker 1: The bye week is under way. Willie and Bengals. Bengals
Speaker 1: line the five. I'm talking about Gordon Veterino in the
Speaker 1: Greatest Saint Savior. There is one great thing about Saint
Speaker 1: X this past week, just one one? What dom ellis?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: How about this? I did say twenty twenty five Ohio
Speaker 1: Athletic Association Division one state cross country. Yeah, fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: and seven seconds. You want them on? Yes, you go
Speaker 1: across country? Champ. Bring him in college. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: a future in his life. I'm like college basketball to
Speaker 1: I Bearcats in Western Carolina at six thirty? Do you
Speaker 1: like that matchup? Rock and I don't care parriston Xavier.
Speaker 1: How about that forty fifty five XAVIORA and K. And
Speaker 1: you see Claremont at six thirty on the project like
Speaker 1: the Claremont. What is it? What does it say? You
Speaker 1: see Claremont? Haven't they won the national title? We had
Speaker 1: men here once or twice? I think in uh Volleyball seven,
Speaker 1: you see Claremont go ahead, an old dominion. In the
Speaker 1: Miama RedHawks can't wait? Canisius and Dayton Franklin up against
Speaker 1: Wright State free agent free agent Reds, free agent Reds?
Speaker 2: What the guy?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: How about one point three billion? The Dodgers spending four
Speaker 1: pitchers one point work and it worked? Yes, it worked?
Speaker 1: Is it worth one point three billion? Tony Bender says yes.
Speaker 1: Key Brian Hayes gets his second gold glow of can
Speaker 1: he hit? Uh, Nick Martinez, Emilio Pagan, Zach Lttel, Wayne Wade, Miley,
Speaker 1: Ian Jibou, Miguel Andrew Harr and Santiago Espinal all free agents.
Speaker 1: Let them all go. I don't need any of them hit.
Speaker 1: Can they hit? We need guys that can hit, Guys
Speaker 1: that can hit the base the best of all time.
Speaker 1: And the announcer said, when was the last time my
Speaker 1: ball got stuck in the wall. Well, Fredo hit the
Speaker 1: ball on the wall in the right right, I said, hey, Fredo,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati all comes back to Cincinnatis. Everything in the world
Speaker 1: comes back to Cincinnati. Do you have any hope, Rock,
Speaker 1: Do you have any hope? They don't play for about
Speaker 1: two weeks, then they got the bad part of the
Speaker 1: schedule starts.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're gonna play like Pittsburgh and then you
Speaker 1: got to play Buffalo. Then you gotta play. I gave
Speaker 1: you the four options of what they.
Speaker 9: Like.
Speaker 1: What are the options? You're looking at his notes? There
Speaker 1: were no. I'm looking about the on CNN. But I
Speaker 1: mean I'm saying they got I think they got Baltimore
Speaker 1: with like within twice, within two or four weeks. Aga,
Speaker 1: I believe it's Baltimore. Someone Baltimore. They got here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they there in Thanksgiving. Unbelievable. Andy back, They're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of that game. Yes it is. It's
Speaker 1: Buffalo sandwiched in there between two Ravens kicking the crap
Speaker 1: out of the Chiefs just for fun. Lamar is back
Speaker 1: and he's got an attitude. It's so scored that the
Speaker 1: final final too much time. I said, don't mine, don't
Speaker 1: do it. Pull a team. Boom boom cos the tight
Speaker 1: end four hundred and seventy yards fifty four yards not good.
Speaker 1: At recovery no good. Block and field goal no good.
Speaker 1: All I can take two runs, kickoff back ninety nine
Speaker 1: yards no good. Two receivers over one hundred yards. You
Speaker 1: can say, I mean literally, did everything else that you
Speaker 1: could do to keep your team in the game and win.
Speaker 1: And now they thought they were going to lose, didn't you?
Speaker 1: At the end there I thought was somehow it was
Speaker 1: going to be. If they tackled him, they might not
Speaker 1: have time to kick a field flacker like first game
Speaker 1: I think with over four yards of offense in his career,
Speaker 1: he said, first time for yards passing it in my
Speaker 1: career he has like his arms like hanging off his body,
Speaker 1: and he still goes out and does that with a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys he's known for about a week and
Speaker 1: a half. Not good enough? How's that possible? Only in
Speaker 1: Cincinnatis as possible? What was worse? The Little Rock in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Matt Deer Park at Anna, the Rock
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, bear Cats at Utah Bears in
Speaker 1: one of those things and the crews just line up
Speaker 1: that disaster would have held of teams would have would one.
Speaker 1: But they wasn't even close. The Bengals, who knew they
Speaker 1: were going to lose. I said, if you can leave
Speaker 1: any time on the clock. Tim Higgins was brilliant against
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to go down and take the dive right, brilliant. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: if he scored that quick touchdown against It's Park, they
Speaker 1: would have gone back and scored and they would have
Speaker 1: lost that one too. They're three and six, giving up
Speaker 1: three hundred points, the worst performance of any defense this
Speaker 1: side of the imagine no line in World War One
Speaker 1: when the French didn't know what the hell they were doing.
Speaker 1: Doo any hope, Rock, I need it. Got to break
Speaker 1: it down to some point. You got the.
Speaker 6: I mean that's embarrassing. I mean, you don't ever want
Speaker 6: to put that many points up. You know that the
Speaker 6: teams have scored that much, or left teams rush for
Speaker 6: that much whatever, you know. I mean I played on
Speaker 6: some really good defenses before, so I know what it
Speaker 6: takes to be a good defense. I know what it's
Speaker 6: like to be on a good defense. So yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean it is embarrassing, but.
Speaker 1: Left the room yesterday. They were laughing at the job
Speaker 1: when you were with the Colts to No, we just
Speaker 1: how about Ivy by the way, And it wasn't that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Derrick Henry that rushed for you know, a
Speaker 1: billion yards. It wasn't Bruce Saw. It was some guy
Speaker 1: named mona guy who career one hundred and seventy six yards,
Speaker 1: and a guy named Britton Brown who has pulled off
Speaker 1: the practice squad. In essence, he's their fourth or fifth
Speaker 1: running back and he had dominated five for thirty seven
Speaker 1: as the offensive team banned the defensive team from the
Speaker 1: locker room, Tony pokers start getting real ugly inside. How
Speaker 1: about the Ivy character off sides lining up? They missed
Speaker 1: the field goal and then they go down and score
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's seven points Ivy and he's laughing and snickering.
Speaker 1: He's snickering. Wrap up Joe's Burrow's toe and get let's go.
Speaker 1: What Joe's got the toe he's got? Does Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: wanted Joe Burt to come back because he throws in
Speaker 1: the ball like every time Flacco does. Does he want
Speaker 1: does he want Bird to come back?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: And this environment, saying why play you can't win? No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, does Jamar Chase want no Joe Bert to
Speaker 1: come back? He's preaty good? Yeah to targets has like
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty targets a game that's also not good.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. How about Trey
Speaker 1: Henderson gaining traveling for a bag of football? So what
Speaker 1: about that? To be here after fourth game?
Speaker 9: I stopped doing hopes and all that stuff a long
Speaker 9: time ago. It's you are where your feet are, and
Speaker 9: you know where your feet will be. Blessed to be
Speaker 9: where I am right now. You know bottom of the
Speaker 9: national football you know first to last, you know it's
Speaker 9: it's it's a there's a limited amount of spots here
Speaker 9: and this is an incredible blessing. You know, sick for
Speaker 9: the fans and sick for the people that you need
Speaker 9: to come and watch us, and me too. It's tough games,
Speaker 9: but again, like moving forward, I think we'll make the
Speaker 9: corrections we need to and get back in the one call.
Speaker 1: Don't want to compliment Mike Brown. Is he incentive ized
Speaker 1: to like come back to this mess? Does he think
Speaker 1: he's not? Why would you rehab Borrow or Hendredson or
Speaker 1: any of them. Another four and ten. What do you
Speaker 1: do if you're Joe Burrow and coming back unless you're
Speaker 1: worried about Flacco? Like being here and Flacco will be
Speaker 1: here next year. I'd sign him as a backup. We
Speaker 1: know if he can throw football? Absolutely I hate it.
Speaker 1: He's playing better than Joe Burrow. Can I say that Rock? Can't?
Speaker 1: I can't say Rock? Break it down? At some point
Speaker 1: say give me out of the student's report. By the way,
Speaker 1: you have you have a bowman coming up. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Corey Bone right at at gate three o'clock. Where's the mayor?
Speaker 1: He's in a bunker under eighto one Plump Street. SEG,
Speaker 1: please continue, Will we say happy seventy second anniversary today?
Speaker 1: On this date in nineteen fifty one? Who was president
Speaker 1: at the Montgomery Inn opened its door today? Today? Wow?
Speaker 1: Seventy one, seventy years, seventy two years in business? And
Speaker 1: who was president? Tell him? Who is president? Nineteen fifty?
Speaker 1: Tell him I'm done with the president stuff. No, the
Speaker 1: was still Truman. Did you go to Coleraine? Did you
Speaker 1: go to Coleraine? I had not? Seg, thank you, good
Speaker 1: luck for the rottle Rock, Thank you he's done. We
Speaker 1: leave you with the immortal words of the stud Report
Speaker 1: no comments. I got a Troy Blackburn can't say on
Speaker 1: seven hundred w auto