WEBVTT - 11-3-25 Bill Cunningham Show 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.959 By Billy Cunningham, The Great America and talk about the Bengals. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.039 Later on we had Moe coming up. Plus FC was 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.959 a complete disaster, as was you see Bearcatcher's problems everywhere. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.880 But in the studio with me right now is Iris, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.599 Rolie and Iris welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. I 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.120 think for the first time, is that correct? 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:24.520 That is absolutely correct. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.120 Well, let's talk about what happened last night in Cincinnati. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.800 And on Sunday we had something the range of I 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.199 don't know, seven or eight people were shot, one was murdered. 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.320 According to most of the accounts, the city is ripe 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.879 with violence of one type or another. And as the 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.120 collaborator described to the American people, what your role is 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:45.760 with the city at this point? 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.040 So Willie, what my role is with the city currently 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.760 is what my role has been almost for twenty five years, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.360 prior to me signing a contract to be consultant to 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.080 the city manager on you on the work of policing 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.040 public safety, to work through the collaborative. So for twenty 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:02.400 two years, I just want to say to you and 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.039 your listeners, I dedicated myself. My husband allowed me to 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.760 my husband of thirty one years has allowed me to 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.880 give them myself freely to the work of the Collaborative Agreement, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.679 so that meant no pay. We had no budget, we 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.840 had no staff, we had nothing. And this was from 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.720 the community's lins. This is from the Black United Front lines, 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.000 the people who came together collective links that we're going 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.480 to sue the city, the FOP in this police alleging 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.399 racial profile. And now, mister Cunningham, I know folks get 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.480 all up in their panties about well, what does that 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.399 mean she's anti police? You're absolutely incorrect. Iris Rowley has 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.960 done work greater than most people in the city, and 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.360 I'm grateful to my spouse and to the Black United 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.360 Front and everybody who's put work into the hands of 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.560 the Collaborative Agreement, including the police. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.919 Let's talk about the police, because as a collaborator of sorts, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.240 you have to work with different groups. One most important 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:52.720 groups is the police. Correct. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:53.040 Yeah. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.160 I had Ken Cobra on the head of the union 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.640 about a month ago on Friday, Ken and he said 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.960 that they have no common in you. They said that 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.640 you involved yourself wrongfully, possibly criminally in arrest. They had 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.520 video of you interfering with the police arrest and they 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.040 have no confidence in you. So if one of the 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.000 main parties of the collaborative is the police, and the 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:16.560 police don't want to collaborate with. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.800 You, problem, So yeah, that is a problem. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.480 So listen, So Willie, I got into this in a 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.000 very hostile rep way, right. So we were at the 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.360 cusp of fifteen unarmed black men being killed at the 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.920 hands of the police. The city had gone through civil unrest, 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.760 major corporations, people didn't want to come. We were asking 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.080 people to boycott downtown Cincinnati, and we downtown tourism and 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.880 we were effective, and the whole world saw the Cincinnati 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.600 was having issues with the black community and the police. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.480 That's what we rolle into federal court with thirty years 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.840 of problematic policing. Now in the past twenty five years, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.920 if you got one incident that you're upset with, Iris 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.600 wrote it about, I say, she gets an A plus. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:51.920 I have there several incidents. 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.040 No, no, no, I've. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.560 Seen three or four videos. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.280 No, so don't do that. You saw two videos, and 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.680 you saw two videos. One on a set which I 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.000 was called downtown to help a family who's sixteen year 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.960 old was killed by a fourteen year old. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:06.720 So I get up. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.040 Because I work all the time, I don't know when 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.120 IRIS really gets off. So I'm gonna ask your listeners 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.000 to tell me that because I go from consultant to 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.880 just advocacy and doing what people want all the time. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.239 Right, that's not fair. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.760 However, so when I get a call from one of 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.800 my guys, it works on Government Square, and by the way, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.440 they've been doing phenomenal work. Call me and say, can 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.360 you help the family. They don't know where the body is. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:28.760 They don't know this, they don't know that. Get up 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.480 out of my bed, meet them at a thirty in 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.080 the morning. I stand on Main Street for five hours 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.240 outside of the building what his baby was murdered? Right, 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.040 did not even know that? Helping the family to identify 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.560 where the body was. And that's nobody's business but mine. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.360 I elected to do that as the great person I am, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.640 as Jesse's wife and his mom, and as a community caregiver. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.880 This is who I am and this is who I 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.760 have been. So I go there. I help the family. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.480 We stand outside, Willie outside for five hours. So I 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.760 stand outside, find the baby, find the funeral home, find 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.040 out these things, go around the corner, get something to 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.560 eat because I'm hungry. I'm noticing all these folk walking 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.720 around with cups. They have alcohol, and I'm a contributor. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.520 I am a tax payer, and I pay attention to 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.440 my town. So folk want to be mad because I 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:13.680 pay attention to Cincinnati. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:14.880 Well be mad. I have at it. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.120 But I'm noticing a lot of folk walking around with 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:18.320 beer and wine and cups. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:18.800 To me, is this? 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.440 This is not a door? What's happening? So we leave 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:21.840 there now? 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.599 Remember I spend five hours go get an Ampanada so 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.839 I can go home now to contend to my business. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.560 I see right where I'm about to move into because 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.760 I go live on Green and Republic. Try to live 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.200 down there for thirty days so I can do some 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.000 problem solving. But we'll get back to that, because that's 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:37.880 still part of the destroyer. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:38.960 I'm going to get there. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.240 To you, attorney, no, no, no, I sound like a tax payer. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.479 I sound like a person who's not whose voice hasn't 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.839 been heard so that you can hear the goodness and 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.599 you can stop trying to find the bad and the 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:50.360 and the goodness. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.520 Now, let me say the police don't want to collaborate 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:53.800 with you. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.680 That's not the police. That's not all the police. It 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.320 was seven people, ten people. So so one of the 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.240 things that I have for you, mister Cunningham, because always 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.000 told you we're gonna try to get me, is I 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.440 literally just got back with now. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.440 In some chief hand I'm not getting I'm reporting facts 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:09.640 to you. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.160 I don't know if his facts because I don't. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.719 I don't talk about collaborate. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.200 I talked to Can Cobra and he's not said that 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.320 to me. My husband talked to King Cobra. He's not 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.680 said they did. Now I've read it in the newspaper. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.440 But they have no choice. You said that the police 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:24.239 are the main character. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:24.599 They're not. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.960 The community is the number one the number one stakeholder 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.560 in the collaborative agreement is. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.960 The community community, the black community, Cincinnati's majority white city. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.800 Well, but the majority white city wasn't having fitting on white. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:40.360 Men killed at the hands. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:41.560 They were all justified. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:42.440 No, they were not. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.080 Which one wasn't other than Steven Roach. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.360 And and and and in our in our community, That's 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.960 what we were told. They were justified because they were 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.120 no investigations. Mister Cunningham, and I see where you want 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.039 to go, but I'm gonna keep moving us forward. Because 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.000 that's what Cincinnati is and that's what the Collaborative has Actually, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.080 sure we helped Cincinnati do move forward. Had we not 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.919 built in the framework of sayre and problem solving to 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.240 address public safety and policing issues, we wouldn't have all 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.400 the development. You wouldn't have a downtown that you see 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.320 is vibrant. The Collaborative helped rebuild Cincinnati. And you know, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:16.960 I don't know if you know this, mister Cunningham, but 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.479 the police and I have traveled the country together to 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.280 talk about it. So when you say police, whom are 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.640 you talking about? I just got back from Madison Westconsin. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.359 You should the FOP said they won't collaborate with you, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:28.039 and you're wrong. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.440 Well, who's FOP? 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.320 I mean there are many there are many members. Well, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.160 there are many members. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.680 And you don't have to be the police to be 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:36.239 an FOP. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.520 Surely when that happened, there was some The mayor came 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.960 on some of the media and said that they're going 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.840 to meet with you and they're going to identify problems 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.440 when you interfere with an arrest and hopefully that'll get better. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.039 Did you meet with the mayor about your involvement and 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.680 the arrest of a person that you seem to interfere with. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.080 Did you get But your facts are wrong. No one 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.760 was arrested. There was a recitable ticket. So that's how 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.160 I know you're speaking from me because your facts are 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:01.479 not wrong. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.080 Conference, they're going to get with you and counsel you 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.560 and help you to understand. Did you ever speak to 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:08.400 the mayor on that issue? 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.200 I'm spoking to the mayor about many issues. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.520 Did he talk about that issue? Did he change your 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.000 behavior behavior? 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.200 I don't think so, mister. No, No, I don't think so. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.800 And here's what I didn't do, because if I broke 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.040 the law, I expect to be arrested, but they did 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.520 not because they just. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:27.040 Want to take. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:29.200 A problem. 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.240 Well, mister Cunningham, let me tell you what happened. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.320 By the way, younger than. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.480 I'm gonna call you, mister Cunningham, but I'm old enough 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:37.200 to be respected. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.400 And so here's the deal. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.960 If I broke the law, I would expect for any 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.280 officer that I've talked to, and I've talked to way 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.320 more cops than you have. I've talked to way more 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.600 cops than most of the people that you bring in 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.000 your studio. You know, why I can say that, mister Cunningham, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.600 because I talked to every recruit class. I have done 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.360 that since the year of two thousand and eight. Now 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.480 here's where I think people get their panties in a bunch. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.200 And forgive me for my colorful language, because I'm very colorified. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.680 I don't know, so I don't know. I don't know. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:12.320 So, so, mister Gunningham, here's what I will say to 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.920 you again in twenty five years if that is the 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:15.640 issue that you have. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.480 And I've not killed anyone, I'm not to meet. 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:18.880 I'm not. I'm not. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.040 But if the police say that they because the officer 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.160 officer heard who I spoke to was the same officer twice, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.360 female cup, I hunt the same officer twice. And I'm 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:29.600 not going to tell you the story because I don't 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.240 think you're interested in facts. You y'all want a gaslight. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:33.880 But that's cool too, because you can do that. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.040 I report the facts, but. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.360 The facts were it was a recitable ticket. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.960 Did the mayor ever talk to you and say, Irish, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.120 kind of calm down a little bit, don't interfere with 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.800 an arrested and Mary tell you that. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.800 The mayor, after a peer of all which we should 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.160 re elect has always been concerned with my well being 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.720 and has always been answered. The question has always been policed. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.520 I am I'm answering the way that I think that 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:56.400 you deserve an. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.120 Answer, yes or no. Did the police did the man? 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.120 I've talked to the mayor about many things, mister Okay. 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.120 Now on another issue, the issue of the collaborative. Do 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.360 you think after twenty five years, there's many dozens of 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.839 police agencies in the Tri State, dozens of police agencies 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.200 since time police is one of many police agencies, only 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.440 one has a collaborative. Do you think the police in 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:23.160 Cincinnati have racial tendencies of such a quality that the 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.400 collaborative needs to be in effect when all the other 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.760 police agencies in the Tri State don't. What's unique about 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.560 Cincinnati police? Who've had black police chiefs, black captains, et cetera, 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.040 black mayors, black cities. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.720 They have one black captain right now well in the past. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.440 So we have issues there on diversity. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.079 Diversity, y, we still have issues of competency that we have. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.080 We have issues of diversity as respect to who is 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.920 in our police division period. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.240 The question is what is unique about CPD that all 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.240 the other police agencies don't need someone like you to 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.760 implement the collaborative. Are they different than all the other 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.120 agencies in Ambulenty County. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.480 I think that they're not courageous enough. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.640 One they've not been sued, so we sued CPD in 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.559 federal court, so you have to do the mandate of 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.320 the federal court. And what I do appreciate about what's 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.439 unique about CPD is all of this training and all 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.520 of this work and understanding around who the people are 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:13.560 that they do police. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.360 I think they're extremely unique. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.120 I've been trained by the best, and that's what I 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.200 said to King Kober the day of what you're talking 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.760 about when you said, I interrupted, I'm trained by CPD, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.560 so I know how to I know how to read you, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.560 I know how to read your body language, and I 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.719 know how to read someone standing by you. There was 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.120 no threat of violence. I've been trained by CPD very well. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:33.760 So I saw that and it was it was. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.480 An inter question or since II police still racist? 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.520 If you look at the data that comes from our 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.200 Citizens Complain Authority, seventy percent of our complaints are by 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.839 African Americans. I'll let you finiship answer the question. They 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.880 may not be racist. I don't know what they are. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.440 I don't so they may be policing differently in one 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.080 way than they are in this way. And this is 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.160 the beauty of the collaborative. This is a job that 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.679 taxpayers pay for. I pay taxes, mister Cunningham. I'm looking 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.240 for reciprocity on my tax dollar, not only investment into 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.920 the community. But I'm looking at reciprocity. And not only that, 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.720 mister Cunningham, I'm looking at how I can fit into 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.080 this and help what the collaborative has done for the 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.560 city of Cincinnati. Dear sir, if you're looking for facts, 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.959 it has reduced injuries to officers, lawsuits, injuries to citizens. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.439 So yes, it's unique. Yes, it's still needs. Yes we 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:22.280 still have a long way. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:30.360 Not Hamlety County Sheriff's office, the Green town not Sycamore Township, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:32.920 only Cincinnati Police. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.559 All of them, all of them. So you're that you're no, sir, 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.920 not But you're the attorney. So can you legally sue 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.240 multiple agencies at one time? 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:40.800 No, you can't. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:45.199 I'll answer we were only we could only sue in Cincinnati. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.079 But what I will say to you, dear sir, mister Cunningham, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.640 is that all of the ones that you just said 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.000 out of your mouth they need help. And guess what 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.679 they borrow from BAM, the collaborative agreement. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.439 Tracy Hunter, see Hunter, Judge Hunter, Judge Hunter, and speak 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.360 for herself. She'd be for herself. So she you went 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.320 out and picket at the home of my good friend, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.160 Judge Patrick dink Locker to protest a sentence that he 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:12.680 imposed on Tracy Hunter. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.280 Protests a sentence and protest the injustice and protest him 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:17.360 having no drug out of court. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:18.360 Yes, I did, all right. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.640 Yes, she was convicted by a multi racial jury of 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.440 one count of felony. She went through the entire appeal 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.440 process for years and dink Locker is still in court 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.520 right now. Wasn't the trial judge. It was Natal who 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.840 left the bench. And then you took it upon yourself 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.560 to picket someone's home for following their legal duty to 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.760 give her a sentence, which. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.480 By the way, and that's what make Dan Heels upset 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:45.720 and said I shouldn't be collaborating. So since the exception, well, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.719 extremely when Pat dink a Locker issues justice fairly in 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.720 our in our ho and so and listen and listen, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.599 this is the greatest point of democracy that you can disagree. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.360 And we did no damage to his home. We didn't 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.520 dox him, We didn't put his address out in the 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.360 universe say go hey threaten his wife and kids are grandkids. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.240 I'm like folks that listen to seven hundred. Wow, that 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.080 has happened to me since all of this stuff, all 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.520 this vituol and discord has come about, a collaborative agreement 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.640 in iris Rowly. So yes, sir, I did utilize one 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.280 tool in the Civil Rights Handbook too. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:17.240 Are you sorry I get away? 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:17.760 No? 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:18.680 Why would I be. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.559 Sorry because it was wrongful? No? 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:21.840 Why is it. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.200 Because the judge simply did his or her job in 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.880 this case it was a man and we simply disagree, disagreed. Yeah. Also, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.880 when it comes down to what happened on July twenty sixth, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.680 did you meet with the victims of the beatdown on 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.360 July twenty sixth, the so called wife victims, and talk 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:38.800 to them about what happened to them? 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:39.640 No, sir, I did not. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:40.040 Why not? 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:41.440 They didn't call me? 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.280 What do you have to only you respond to circumstances. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.000 People call my phone all the time, mister Gunaham. People 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.400 call my phone and they want help. They didn't call me. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.480 The three CDC put out a video about a week 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.640 ago which clearly demonstrated that the future criminal defendant started 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.240 this thing with Alex t as I call it, and 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.080 he was hit first. Yet the city leader stood up 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.360 about a week later and demanded criminal charges against a 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.319 person because of the color of their skin. Happened to 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.120 be white, white person. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.199 Charge, No, sir, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:15.600 just saying what I don't do that. Don't do that. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.480 Don't you No, no, don't don't don't make it. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.200 Don't make it basant based on race, a person would charge. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.400 Because all of the African Americans were charged, and then 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.280 they were charged with additional charges from the. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.680 Case the other ones who committed criminal actions. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:30.960 But here's what I will tell you. I spoke to 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.600 Interim police Chief Handy on Friday. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.440 And you should have been put on administrative leave. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.040 I don't that's that's above mine. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:39.720 That is no. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.480 I can't say yes or no that. I'm not saying. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:43.800 Have you told police that she should not have been 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:44.360 put on leaves? 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.160 I would not say that. I would not interfere in the. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:51.120 Question about absolutely about the civil rights leader standing up 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.080 and demanding a person to be charged with the crime 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:53.880 based upon. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.520 Race based is that based on equity and fairness, based 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.760 on the application, based on the application of the law. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.640 But let me say the fact is I spoke to 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.880 Interim Chief Henny on Friday because I couldn't remember if 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.560 this is a video that I knew that they had 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.720 seen or that I had seen, because there were so 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.920 many videos out there right there are tons of them. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:12.840 There was tons of them. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.200 So when I spoke to Interim Chief Heney, I said, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.720 just because the questions are coming to me. He said, Irish, 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.200 we saw that video. That's the video that the city 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:28.920 solicitors saw that. Then the charges were made against. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:28.240 Who was hit first. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.440 I think once you stopped. I think once you stop 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.560 and start. I think once you stop and start. But 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.400 that will be a question for the city solicitor and 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.080 the city manager and the police interrant police. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.160 This is principle. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.880 If if you do know the interim police chief did sign. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.800 That Onny and the line officers would not sign it 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.520 because it was wrong, and wouldn't sign it because it 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:47.000 was wrong. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.400 I've not heard that. I've not heard that from the 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.280 chief of police. I've not heard her say that at all. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.480 And we've talked through that. And as a matter of fact, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.560 here's another fact that you probably don't know. When the 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.200 when the community was called forgetting the warrant sign, I 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.680 spoke with Chief Tji. She did not know where mister 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.880 Jermaine I can't think of his last name was. I 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:09.920 actually did find him because he was in the Justice Center. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.880 That principle, if civil rights leaders and civil authority stand 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.120 up and demand a person be charged because of the 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.120 color of their skin, that's not what we demanded it. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.479 As a matter of principle, isn't that wrong. 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:27.320 That what you're saying is incorrect. So if you listen 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.040 to more over the black community and some non black people, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:38.160 and as some non black people thought, well, and we disagree, 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.119 I'm even greater. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.280 Should a person be charged because of the color of 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.240 their skin, No. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.080 They should be charged based on facts. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:47.720 Why didn't happen in this case? 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.160 It did happen. They were charged based on facts because 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:50.880 he slapped a man. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.360 But he slapped a man after he was punched twice 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:54.800 in the back of the head first. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.320 But when you look at the video, mister Kunnah Hammond, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.680 I know they are too. There are two worlds, they're 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.360 two girls. There's a nod, there's a privileged world, and 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.000 then there's the not privilege. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:06.880 Thousand bucks a year aren't goodness? 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.639 No, I'm not saying no, I'm not sir. I feed children, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.880 I take care of children, and I help my community. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.840 There is not enough to pay Iris really for the 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.200 goodness that she's done in the city. And you don't 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:17.680 have to say thank you while we're on the air. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:18.800 I'll wait until well off. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.639 As far as continuing, should we continue with the mayor? 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.760 Is the mayor a long as the city manager? Yes, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:28.360 you in charge of the collaborative. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.320 I'm not in charge of the collaborative. I just worked 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.359 the communities worked that. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.760 But you're paid right by tax dollars. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:34.600 I am paid. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.240 Should like this with the same mayor, the same city manager, 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.000 you and others involved of criminal justice? And is this 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:44.680 the future of Cincinnati. 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.480 Mister Cunningham, I would, I would venture to say, I 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.720 think you've called some more discord in this process in 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.200 twenty five years that Iris Rowly has. You've not even 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.240 heard from Irish. Well you would, but you've not even 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:55.320 let me finish. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:56.639 Won't let me? 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.239 You most certainly doing. You get to espouse it all 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.360 day every day. But this is the first time you've 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:06.560 heard Iris Roly name in years. Outside of all the 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.080 great work at the transit site, this is the first 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.320 time you've heard anything negative. So again, sir, I would 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:20.000 challenge you, Yes, you will be I've been there since 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.200 February twenty twenty four. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:23.240 You know it's my good friend. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:24.359 I've not had any issues. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.760 It's my good friend, Charlie Kirk said before he was 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.840 murdered in cold blood. When the talking stops is when 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.800 the violence begins. I say, let's keep talking. That's what 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.600 we've been doing without accusations. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.560 That's what we've been doing. That's what we've been doing. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:38.280 That's what I've been doing. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.640 When you come on again in a month, you got, 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:42.280 you got. 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.639 I'm married to that guy right there. You crazy. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.000 I will be back. I'm a member of the Since 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.159 Name Black and Underfront. But listen, this is what I 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.119 have for you, mister Cunningham. This is the full collaborative agreement. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.720 I want you to read it is I you can 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.800 have I got this right, your diploma right now. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:18:59.760 You can't have my diploma. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.119 That's my participatory Read it though I want you to 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:03.679 read it to the people so they'll know. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.520 Center for Problem Oriented Policing presents the Herman Goldstein Award 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.840 and Recognition of Excellence and Problem Oriented Policing to Missus, Iris, 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.920 Rowley Society, Black United Front. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.440 There you go. So and I was with intem cheap 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.840 chief Henny with assistant. 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:22.800 Did he see the tape ahead of time when he 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:23.920 signed the falseho. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.200 You should get him in here and talk to him. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.640 Why don't you ask the mayor and Hanny to come 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.199 in here that I've asked him, They won't come on. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.200 They we got the guts to show up. I'll give 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:32.800 you credit for that, but you don't make it. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.080 You don't make it warm and fuzzy. You don't make 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:36.919 me Fisher to come with security. 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:38.520 You got two big men. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:39.199 That comes to. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.800 M wrestled those security to this. Will you come back 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:45.520 in a month or two? 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.800 But let me say the guts. I have all the guts. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:50.600 You know what I typically say to people. My balls 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.080 are beginning you us, But my husband told me stop 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:52.520 saying that. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.040 So listen, are you transgender? 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:54.280 No? 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:54.679 I'm not. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:55.679 No, I'm not. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:01.040 We had something, are you? You sound like it? 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:01.240 Though? 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:02.760 This is you got your Monday's on the day with 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.640 his Monday. But listen, tay. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.200 That you should have had on Sunday the way the 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:09.960 Bengals play. But but that's a whole other story. 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.840 Why don't you come on again? If you got the guns? 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.199 Irish Rowley, will you come on and do come down 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:16.120 to the transit center? 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:17.720 When are you coming? When are you coming? 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.480 My people will be in touch. Will you guarantee my security? 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:22.199 My secure? 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.560 I got you, I got you guys looking. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:25.520 Talk to him. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.760 But mister help. The other piece that I have for 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:29.560 you is this is actrocency. 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.360 This is what all this to give me homework. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:33.360 You better read it too. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.200 I will because I know who. 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:35.879 You learned from? 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:37.879 Games? 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:38.439 Games? 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.879 So who was his? Who was his college roommate? 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:45.119 Uh? 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:46.560 Was that you? 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.119 Judge? Robert Franklin was a roommate of mL King of 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.399 nineteen forty eight? More houses? 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.959 Your question in my Civil Rights Act? 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.280 Merit, I don't believe in well you die? 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.560 Well, why in the world won't we gonna break that? 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.200 Let's break it up time? 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.760 So tell them to stop f and when iris really 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.000 we're doing and. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.040 You get me puts you got me yours? Thank you? 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:12.840 We have a God Bless. 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:13.960 America, God Bless America. 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:23.960 Seven hundred WLW Joining me now is the legendary Mike McConnell. 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.280 You're still alive. Only the two of us are left. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.080 Are you aware of this? Alive? And well you heard 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.800 the end of my Irish Roly debate. Yeah, she shouldn't 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.800 come completely around. She was almost she was close to 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.760 coming to be Trump support. Close. And so when I said, 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.720 is Cincinnati police more racist, for example, than every other 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:45.240 police agency in the Tri State answer is yes, of course, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:46.879 of course they're more racist, and they have to be 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:48.320 governed by Irish Roly. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:48.640 Right. 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:50.920 Absolutely. If you're making one hundred and ten thousand bucks 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.560 a year, you better find problems. You can't say, look, 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:58.000 we've solved this difficulty. It means, right, you don't need 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.320 me anymore. But nonetheless you're here about Bob Trumpy and 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.960 so much more. Yeah, all the good ones. You know, 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.000 the good guy young You and I are in good shape. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.520 Yeah, And he's one of those guys I think from 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.159 a listener perspective, he was a little bit misunderstood. He 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.439 was actually a nice guy, soft as long as you 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:18.560 didn't mispronounce something when you called his show that was 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.879 if you like screwed up a player's name or something. 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:23.600 Nothing else you had to say was going to make 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.360 any sense as far as he was concerned. 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.280 So we began to think of the magnificent six we 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.000 had when it all got together. We had Jim Scott, 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.840 pretty good, Mike McConnell, I love that guy. I love 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:38.320 that guy too, really good. Gary Burbank is pretty good, 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:42.080 not bad. Bob Trumpy or Chris collins Worth, Andy Furman, Yeah, 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.320 me and then the truck and Boso, and now only 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:46.919 two of us were left. The rest he did. What 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.200 does it say about us? 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.080 You sent out a tweet or something today? It was 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.240 brought to my attention the way you wrote it, the 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.480 passing of Bob Trumpy read it. 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.199 You haven't right there. I have all kinds of stuff here. 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.160 It appears to others as though you're calling me a bozo. 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.520 We know they not. Everyone knows about the bozo. So 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:10.720 the way you rode it, well I did. I wanted 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.200 to put the bozo in because you know he's dead too. 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:18.720 So here it is father time is undefeated, untied, unscored 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.440 on that's the one. Jim Scott, Gary Burbank, now Bob 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:27.440 Trumpey have recently died, and the Bozo dot Mike McConnell, yes, 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.040 comes before. That's right. I guess you could read your 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.600 the boat. So Mike McConnell has retired. All night Man 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.199 used to be the truck and Bozo. Yeah, it's been 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:42.360 how many years he's been going fifteen years, twelve at least, 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:43.480 but he's in the Hall of Fame. And you and 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.840 I aren't look at it that way, but that was 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.520 the lineup made and we don't recognize at the time 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.960 what it was because we were doing we were just 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.080 doing radio because of the great producer, director, head coach 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.680 Randy Michaels. He's the one that got it done. Plus 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.080 John Phillips in the air with the helicopter didn't crash. 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.280 I'm like Nanson Cormick, it didn't crash. That was pretty good. 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.400 Traffic was wonderful and from the sky. 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.760 And then we also I remember Dave Reinhardt walking around going, 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.720 you don't understand not every place is like this. 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.280 I thought it was everybody had people like this, right, 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.320 So what are some of your other thoughts about Bob Trumpy. 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:16.320 I'll give you a few of minds. 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.280 You know, he's yeah, I know hi when he worked here, 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:23.159 but knew more about him after he retired. I mean, 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.320 he's one of those guys. He really you like to him. 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.439 Keep an eye out for the older guys in the neighborhood. 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.960 He cared about them. Memorial Day Parade, he'd get a 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.119 golf cart and ride it. In case somebody got tired, 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:36.359 he could hop in and get them a ride. 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.080 Also, I had the one night that a woman is 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.960 committing suicide. Yeah, called in and Bob Trump. He almost 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.440 cried himself to talk her off the ledge, get her help. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.680 That was the soft side of Trump. The hard side 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.720 that the listener perceived was very difficult if you disagree 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:50.600 with him. The best shows he did was a pet 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.040 Pete Franklin from Cleveland and when the Browns and you 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:55.959 know the Coastar and the size and all that, back 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.320 and forth, back and forth. He'd interview Bill Belichick, he'd 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.520 interview everybody, everybody, and you listen to some of that stuff. 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.159 Matt Reason back and put all these old tapes to 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.160 get on, get it on. He was even a better 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:08.920 interviewer than you remember. He was pretty good. 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.960 Yeah, remember him know all this stuff and occasionally being bombastic, 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.600 But if you sit down and listen to an interview, 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:15.800 he was a better interviewer then I think we gave 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:16.439 him credit for. 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.640 And then of course you got the NBC. He did 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.919 Sunday Night, Monday Night, did Westwood One, did the Olympics, 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:26.680 Classic Story, the Ryder Cup three times. Masters he did 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.879 that on radio so he could play I gust the 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.000 National now and then, which is not a bad thing 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:31.920 to think about. He said. 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:33.679 He only done golf a few times, and he was 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.600 I guess you get out there and play the course 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.240 when you first get there, and learn a thing or two. 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.840 About it, mister golf professional. I got to play a guy. 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.840 I got to play somebody else, you know Trump. Hey, 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.760 And he turns around as Arnold Palmer. He said, Arnold 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:52.520 Palmer knows my name Trump. Yeah, Arnold Palmer Palmer not bad, right. 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.919 I was after him for like twelve years. So I 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.160 got there by a mistake, like in August of eighty three, 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.160 supposed to have a to be here, and I would 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.520 go into the studio at I was on nine pm 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.000 until one am, and the trump Ster was on six 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.320 to nine. And it was a small studio about half 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.440 the size it was filled with cigarette smoke. He was 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.479 a chain smoker on the air. So after about two 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:22.120 or three weeks, I said, Bob, is it possible that 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.480 for the last hour before I sit in this small 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.560 closet studio that you couldn't smoke? He dropped the F 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.120 bomb and ended it with you, and so I guess 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:36.200 the answer was no. And then Randy Michaels would want 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.280 him to read. Of course, that was a big deal 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.320 at the time, school closings. The next day Trump he says, 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.520 I don't do school closings. Get somebody else in there. 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:46.800 They got into it. And what did Bob Trumpy do 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.720 with Randy Michaels end them? Didn't he up against the wall. 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.520 Randy was a strong man, and Randy Michaels remains. I 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:56.760 understand he's lost about eighty pounds. He's in great health, 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:58.560 but at the point he probably weighed hundred and eighty 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.399 one hundred ninety pounds. Five foot eight. Picked him up 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.720 by his shoulder blades, pinned him up against the wall, 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.840 and Randy's feet feet were moving like he was running, 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.560 and he said, I don't do school closings. So he 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.480 had seg to come in to do school closings the 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.240 next day. Trumpy wouldn't do it. It was hard to coach shows, 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:18.080 say would you. Yeah, but he had that heart of 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.479 gold going for. He had a heart of gold. So 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:21.880 what do you mean you get into like the Pete 0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:23.000 Rose and Ojson. 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:27.679 Wait, he believed those guys because they told him they 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.520 didn't do it. And I'll tell you, and I said 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.320 this at the time, if you were ever in some 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.359 serious trouble, you probably couldn't find a more loyal friend 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.080 than Bob. Trumpy didn't exist. He was and what he was, 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.200 I mean, he was amazed that friends of his would 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:42.520 lie to him when. 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.840 It all came out. Pete Rose had this lawyer in Dayton, 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:48.680 I forget his name, that would come on with Bob 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.240 and then me afterwards. And this went on for like 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:56.720 what from February until August of nineteen eighty nine when 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.600 he met the commissioner, Uberroth met him up and you 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.879 know the rumors betting on And I said betting because 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.360 I had bet with Pete at the racetrack And when 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.120 I started doing the extra inning show, I was on 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.040 with Pete and we became friends, and I knew he 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.360 bet on everything. And the fact he wouldn't bet on baseball, 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.440 the one sport he knew to me was like unlikely. 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.520 But then at Willie's and Kenwood we opened up in 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.879 eighty nine, he was there almost every day at the 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.400 at the bar by himself, making bets and the bartender 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.440 is telling me he's betting on baseball, and I said, wow, 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.800 you know, but he had this, uh, this ability to 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.400 convince Bob Trumpy that he wasn't betting on baseball. 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:36.720 And O. J. 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.440 Simpson could not have slaughtered and sliced off the head 0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:41.480 of the mother of his children. That's not OJ that 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.840 I know. He went down with both ships. He did, 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.000 and he was hurt, and OJ told him he didn't 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.840 do it. That was good enough. What about the blood? 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.680 I was all playing it there by, you know, yeah, 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:56.040 by whatever. So what's Mike McConnell doing these days? Actually 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.680 kind of relaxing? They doing nothing. Well, do you miss it? 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:00.680 You want to pinch it for me? 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:00.920 Now? 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.160 And then? No? Not really? 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:03.800 I mean do you want to think about that? I 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.320 could pinch it for like ten fifteen minutes. I would 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:07.280 want to do a whole show. 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:07.840 Now. 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.640 Once in a while something comes up and I'll, you know, 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.200 interest me. So I'll start looking some things up and 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:14.440 like I could use something like that. 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:14.840 That's good. 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.640 How about AI taking all our jobs as an example? 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:18.880 Could it so the other day? 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.440 Because I'd heard a set like this sometimes In nineteen fifty, 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:25.040 one of every thirteen women working was a telephone operator. 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.520 One of every thirteen women in America. That's what they 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:30.200 did for a living. 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.800 Today and three hundred and thirty million people, we have 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.120 two thousand operators because back then, I mean it was 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.280 switchboards and office building switchboards and hotels, all those things, 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.240 or one point three million in nineteen fifty and all 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.560 those jobs are going, right, but they found something else 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.320 to do, right, AI, I probably paid better than that. 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:46.719 Now. 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.400 Another thing, of course, we talk about food stamps and 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:54.680 the cards, BET cards, And in nineteen seventy five to 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:58.720 nineteen eighty one and fifty Americans were on food stamps. Yeah, 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.920 today it's one in eight and it's accelerating. I don't 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.959 think there's more people hungry and families today than there 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.720 were in the nineteen seventies. And give the numbers, that 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.880 means two percent of the American people were in food 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.200 Sampson in the mid nineteen seventies today's twelve and a 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.280 half percent, six times increase. I think there's some fraud 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:22.080 going on a little bit. There's no good there's no 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.160 good explanation for that at all. None. 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.479 It's easier to get on disability, that's part of it. 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.160 You know, fewer people on regular welfare benefits they switched 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.640 to disability. It's easy to get on that, and then 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:34.360 you get the rest of your benefits as a result. 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.240 So when you have a large, consistent, large group of 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:41.040 Americans committed to a government benefit that goes on for years, 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.680 it's damnar impossible to stop it. Was there a dip 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:44.240 with Clinton. 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.680 I'm one of those people on the few Republicans who 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.120 gave Clinton a little bit of kudos for what do 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:50.360 you ACCOMPLI Yes he did. 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.760 He did. He put in wealth work requirements, shut down 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.040 the southern border. And I remember at the balance budgets 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.720 at the time, Health and Human Services having the county 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.200 was ta to somebody from there and they said they 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:06.840 were actually in the wake of Clinton's fixes, that they 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.240 were getting thanks from people for kicking them in the 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.800 butt and getting a job, and they felt better about themselves, 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:16.720 and they were saying, what surprises you if you're losing clients, 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:17.479 so to speak. 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.320 You don't usually like that, but they were very positive 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.040 about it. So it had we've dipped at some point 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.280 and then just another work requirement went away. 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:28.520 Now, the institutionalization of government benefits is so deep and solid. 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.080 The media doesn't do stories on people that should not 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:35.320 be on food stamps. I watched the Secretary of Agriculture yesterday. 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.920 They've so far found five million dead people getting food stamps. 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.640 Somebody's using their cards EBD cards five million, and they 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.120 also said another five to eight million or illegal shouldn't 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.320 get in anyway. So the forty two million to get it, 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.520 that number should be about cut in half. They're in 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:51.800 the business to trying to find out who's illegally getting it. 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.680 But the Democratic Party at blue states blue cities won't 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.640 give the FEDS the information who's getting the benefits. The 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.480 states administer and the FEDS pay for it. So if 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.640 the state of California, for example, in New York State 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.920 won't communicate to the FEDS who's getting food stamps, what 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.800 do you do? And the answer is, we don't know. 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.600 Because we know five million are dead, another five to 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.800 eight million shouldn't beet they're illegal, But we need more 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.120 information about who's getting this because obviously twelve and a 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.840 half percent of us aren't hungry. In fact, obesity is 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.440 a bigger problem for the poor than malnutrition. Far and away, 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:28.000 far and away, that's the problem. Can you say that, Yeah, yeah, 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.040 I just did. Is it true? Can you speak truth? 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.080 I don't think you can. So, Hell, I don't know. 0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.480 The free store food bank, I think that's good. Is marvel? 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:39.920 I like that the way they do things. I bought. 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.880 But here's another issue. I am told on YouTube there's 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.040 a way to gain and to gain the freesto forward 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.320 free store food bank and also the food stamps. By that, 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.720 I mean the cars that pull in. They go to 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:55.720 one free store food bank, then go to another, and 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.040 then go to another. And with the dead people getting 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.000 food stamps, they put them in large drums. All these 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.880 product shipping back to Haiti or Nicaraguar somewhere, and they're 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.080 sold in the bodegos, and so they monetize it. Plus 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.760 you can sell your your benefits for fifty cents on 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.040 the dollar and get cash. Now should that be in 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:15.239 the system. Hell no, I want hundred people to get it. Yeah, well, 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.520 number years ago. It's probably late eighties, early nineties. Right 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:23.000 after the Thanksgiving free store, great food giveaway, guy called 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.960 the day of a guy called Who's a small grocer 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.000 somewhere in town talk about the number of people coming 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.680 in trying to sell them turkeys they just got on 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.200 the free store. Can we get that out of the system? 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.880 Is that possible? I don't know. I doubt it make 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.360 everybody reapply. I don't know. Ye may wouldn't that be something? Yeah? 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.360 I don't know. Right well, Michael, you you gotta do 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.040 talk radiot. Have you thought about every now and then 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.320 doing the morning show when Tom Brenneman's on Friday's doing football? No, 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.000 have you thought about doing Middays ten am to two pm, 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:53.880 which you did or ten to three you did. 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.520 I told Rocky I'd fill in for Eddie sometime, because 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.680 I've told Eddie has got the easiest job in the 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.240 freaking world. Mean, you could get up and you could 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.120 play around the golf if you wanted to get to 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:05.800 work at three and be home by dinner and work. 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:06.959 With the I thought Eddie sets up all. 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.359 That's not true, he says, he does it more so 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.160 with Rocky having football related so. 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.120 You will pinch it when any fingers is gone with 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.960 Rocky and All, I said, I would, whether you do 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.520 it or not. Yeah, but you won't do the truck 0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.600 and bozo overnight with the Red Eye. You won't do that? 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:23.640 Is that still on? 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.319 That was the worst part about getting up at three 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.720 twenty in the morning was listening to that Red Eye. 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.480 The Red Eye radio is Tony Benner's favorite program here. 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:33.680 He told me he loves Red Eye red He loves it, 0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.719 loves that stuff. Mike, thanks, talk about people can never 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.960 change the subject. You gotta be able to be a 0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.239 little flexible, right. I have a reputation to be in 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.279 somewhat conservative, but I talk about everything, and I watch 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.160 MSNBC and I read the New York Times. Guys, got 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.839 to see what the enemy's doing. I do too well, 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:53.840 come back again. You got a future in radio. I 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:57.000 might stop by. Are you in Social Security yet? Oh? Yeah? 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.440 Don't you love it? It's yeah. On the twenty three 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.920 every month I had about five grand put on my account. 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:03.280 I got to you on the fifteenth. 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.120 It comes through and you eat ch ching, get my 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.840 regular installment on the first. I still get paid on 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.440 the first and fifteenth, just like the old days. You 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.120 do how do you do that? From here? 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.080 All my savings, I got to work. I take a 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:16.960 chunk of them. That comes in the first, and then 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.040 social comes in on the fifteenth. A year in hog Heaven, 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.200 I got to talk to Tony Benner about a long term, 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.480 guaranteed bonus Laton contract extension. I'm not done yet, Mike. 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.960 Do you ever see me retiring? No? Well, when's it up? 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.720 When's your president? I think three years, but I'm not sure. 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.080 I really haven't. I signed something four or five years. 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:35.719 I wanted to be here as long as Trump is 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.680 in the White House. After that, I'm done. There's a 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.080 goal for Yeah, okay, thanks for stopping in. Don't be 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.760 a strange. My pleasure. My pleasure, Me and I Iris Rolie. 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.239 Is that a match made in heaven time? I think 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.520 off air, you guys are getting along right. She wanted 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:53.840 to hug me, like all women do. I said, go ahead, Iris, 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:55.840 have at it, but don't don't squeeze my buns, is 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:57.759 all I told her, and she sat on the air. 0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:59.759 She doesn't have balls, and she asked me, do you 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.440 I said, you want to see him? I saught I 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:03.760 better not do that. Would you agree. 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.480 I've had some militants on over the years who off 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:07.919 air were fine. 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.239 She's fine on then all of a sudden, that's yeah, 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:15.920 it's this the green letters Salvation racism pays big bucks. Yeah. 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:26.440 On news Radio seven hundred WLW, I Billy Cunningham, the 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:29.520 Great America dihearst mos here to put a carriot on 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.720 the performances of a so called sports teams over the weekend, 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:37.719 beginning on Friday, when Anna's a fat Russian woman beat 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:39.520 the crap out of Deer Park High School in the 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.760 high school playoffs. It was forty seven to three or something, 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:44.200 and so I knew it was going to be a 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.080 bad weekend mode and it was going to be this bad. 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:48.960 Anna kicked it off near Minster by the way. Anna 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.200 is by Minster. You've been there many times, I'm sure 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.560 hang out there often. And then then Saturday kind of 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.920 build a little bit of the tsunami. Saturday you have 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:58.799 the Mormons out of the Utah. I saw a lot 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.040 of your social media picks, et cetera. It was a 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.680 great place, a lot of people there, the empty stadium, 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:05.800 all of a sudden it was packed, people going nuts. 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.359 Game day was there. It was wonderful, and you had 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.320 told me that you see was going to win the game. 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.400 I think the final score was like forty eight to 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.680 fourteen or something, but it wasn't that close. I never 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:15.960 told you they were going to win the game. And 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.480 then they got a little bit bigger for the Bengals 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:23.120 game on Sunday one o'clock this morning, everyone had bags 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.279 over their head on ESPN, and you've gone over the 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.160 stats and I'll get to them in a moment. And 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:33.239 Sunday night at the Enchilada, the Big FC against the Crew, 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.319 and you know, shots on goals and important measure as 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.560 to whether you're advancing the ball. I don't care much 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.040 for soccer. It's a comedy sport. That's a different thing. 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.080 Twenty shots on goal. Crew had nineteen of the twenty 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.800 shots on goal since I had one shot on goal, 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.120 and they get hammered for zip. Now, let's not begin 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.600 with dear Park and Anna, let's go let's not begin 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.800 with the Bearcats. Let's go on to the Bengals. Bengals, 0:37:57.800 --> 0:37:59.200 are you prepared for some stats? 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.799 And in the middle of all that, we lost the 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.040 godfather of Cincinnati sports talk radio. 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:05.920 We're going to talk about that too mode. That's got 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.160 kind of a downer right there, because he's eighty years 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.640 old and he passed away yesterday, the great number eighty four. 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:15.680 In fact, the player for the Bengal opponent yesterday, you 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.000 might recall, was wearing what number as he went in 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:23.719 to win the game. I'm sorry, eighty four eighty four. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.560 That was Bob Trumpy going at the Bengals of Mike 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.880 Brown one more time. The player wearing number eighty four 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.520 for the Bears is the one, and I put on 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.280 my social media accounts the three Bengal defenders all around 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:38.120 this guy, and all they had to do was say, 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.719 get him on the ground, likely win the game. And 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:44.279 the three Bengal defenders could not tackle number eighty four. 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:45.680 Am I right or wrong about? 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.120 You're one hundred percent right, and I'm sorry my brain 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:49.560 froze there. Eighty four. 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:50.760 You were thinking about the Trumpster. 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.680 When the Chicago Bears got the ball back, it wasn't 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.359 a matter of if they would score. It was a 0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:58.200 matter of would there be any time left? 0:38:58.280 --> 0:38:58.440 Now? 0:38:58.480 --> 0:38:59.200 When I knew that. 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.480 You knew how they were going to score, Chances are 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.320 there was going to be either busted coverage or mistackles 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.040 in the secondary, which is exactly right if there was 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.279 an avatar for the twenty twenty five Bengals. It's how 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.719 Chicago scored that last touchdown with two safeties basically colliding 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.880 with each other. The position that all offseason Duke Tobin 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.080 left unaddressed comes back to bite him in a moment 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.719 where the season was hanging in the balance. It was 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.480 an embarrassment. It was a direct indictment on Duke Tobin. 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.280 It was a direct indictment on Al Golden. It is Golden. 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.640 It's goal in goal in take the D out, there's 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:40.839 no d It's so frustrating from a few different perspectives. 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:44.640 Number One, lay out the Joe Flacco story should be 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:48.600 the best in the NFL. He joins the Bengals and 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:52.760 within five days he gives us hope. Four days later 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.000 he plays his heart out against the Pittsburgh Steelers beats 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.239 him in prime time. He has since played some of 0:39:58.239 --> 0:39:59.879 the best football of his. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.480 Eighteen year career. 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.759 This should be the best story in the NFL, and 0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:08.320 instead it's a footnote. Because the defense all I heard 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:12.040 all off season long was Al Golden with the same 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.200 guys is going to fix the defense enough? So that 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:18.600 it's league average. All we need is league average everage average. 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:23.160 My question was average. My question was statistically that makes sense. 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.480 If you have a great offense and a league average defense, 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:30.160 you should be okay. But when the game is hanging 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.080 in the balance, when you need a stop to win 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:36.239 the game, when you need a stop to give your 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.320 offense the ball back to give them a chance to 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:42.680 win the game, can you all season? Last year? All season? 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:43.200 Yes? 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:47.160 The answer were the answers were no, No, What about 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:47.560 this year? 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:47.919 No. 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.240 Against the Detroit Lions, they cut to the they cut 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.680 the Detroit lead to eleven points, ten and a half 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:55.400 to go in the fourth quarter. Lions go down in 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.719 six plays against the Pittsburgh Steelers, a game that they 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:03.759 did wine of the field, slow down, Aaron Rodgers, you 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:04.360 win the game. 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:05.200 They don't. 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.040 Fortunately, Pittsburgh scored with too much time and the Bengals 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.800 actually came back and won that one. Against the Jets, 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.440 when they needed a stop, could they get it? 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:15.160 No? 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.319 Against the Bears, when they needed a stop, a team 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.480 playing without their top running back, a team who's best 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.640 wide receiver didn't catch a pass yesterday, could they get 0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:24.160 a stop? 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:24.960 No? 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.320 And so the fact that. 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.839 We asked those questions this past summer, are they going 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:32.920 to be able to get stops? And we were padded 0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.960 on the head and assured to Tobin and el Golden 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:36.719 know what they're doing. 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:37.080 Yes. 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.720 The fact that it turns out that they were wrong 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.840 and we were right tells me those people shouldn't be 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.640 employed by this franchise anymore. 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.399 Here's the photo I put on social media. I'm sure 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.800 you and Tanya Benner saw it. I say, how is 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:54.400 it possible Bengal defenders missed this tackle? There's this snapshot. 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:58.400 You got three guys around number eighty four. Three guys 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:02.040 just attack them, be like a monkey, Jump on his back, 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:03.720 get him down, stop him somehow. 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.040 Duke Tobin has had his successes. We know what they 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:09.160 are right. Most of them have centered around drafting Joe 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:13.319 Burrow and Jamar Chase. Is that smart and and make 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.480 smart personnel decisions with the teams that went to five 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:22.000 consecutive playoffs in twenty eleven through twenty fifteen. But with 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.560 what he has been tasked to do over the last 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:29.040 couple of years, which is draft defensive players and give 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.239 them to a coaching staff that can get them to 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:35.520 help immediately. He has failed spectacularly. And here's where the 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.720 distrust comes in. If the Bengals are going to fix 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.719 this defense in time to win championships, while you have 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.319 Joe Burrow, Duke Tobin is going to have to do 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:47.440 the exact same things he has failed at doing the 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:48.279 last few years. 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.440 Why is he still employed today? It's a great in 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.239 the afternoon. Why if I put on my social media account, MO, 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.480 he should be fired. I don't know. 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.440 I don't know what's scoring. I don't know how you 0:42:57.480 --> 0:42:59.759 conclude any other way. I don't know how you could. 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.680 You could watch what the Bengals have done on defense 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:03.759 the last couple of years and seen the number of 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.840 failed draft choices, seeing the number of failed decisions, and 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.239 walk away from it thinking Duke Tobin should be given 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:11.560 a chance to fix this rebuilt I don't know how 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.239 you do that, I have I don't know how you 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.879 could say that organizationally, this thing that they have been 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.239 bad at, they're suddenly going to be good at with 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:20.560 the same people in charge. 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:21.160 I don't know. 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.880 I don't know how you do that. This is an 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.440 affront to anybody who watched last year's team. It's an 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.920 affront to the quarterback play they should be getting from 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.360 Joe Burrow and they and they are getting from Joe Flacco. 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.080 And I keep coming back to this when when Joe 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.000 Burrow got hurt behind an offensive line that continues to 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.040 not be great although it is played okay with Joe 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.480 Flacco as quarterback. I imagine Duke Tobin sitting there if he 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.200 works for me, and I go, hey, Duke, Duke, why 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:49.000 can't you fix this? 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.560 You're not a private well now it's. 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:54.239 Your defense, And I go, Duke, why can't you fix this? 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:56.719 If you sit in front of your boss and he 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.480 or she keeps asking you, why does this keep happening? 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.000 Why can't you fix this? At some point your boss 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:03.800 is going to tell you we're gonna find somebody else. 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:05.720 Why doesn't that happen with Duke Tobin? 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:10.839 Tony Pike told me that beginning today, the offensive team 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:14.080 is banning the defensive team from the Bengals locker room. 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.560 They will not associate with them. They don't want to 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.600 look at them and the defense. Shamar Stewart and Miles 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.640 Murphy have a special at the Pancake House in Montgomery. 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.480 Really the pancake specials. I've seen a montage of Shamar Stewart, 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.319 the guy who was the defensive end from Texas A 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.680 and m that guy he's a pancake several times with 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.680 a big fat offensive lineman. Squad are on top of him, 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.560 and Miles Murphy want any better? And so is there? 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.600 Would you have a pancake special at the original Pancake 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.680 House of Montgomery? Would you have the Stewart, Shamar Stewart 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.560 and the Miles Murphy special for pancakes? 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:49.920 That sounds great. Pancakes sound awesome? Right now, Let's get 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:50.680 who they're named after. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:51.320 Let's get it. 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.640 Those are just a couple of players, Miles Murphy and 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.400 Miles Murphy was drafted in the first round in twenty 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:58.040 twenty three. 0:44:58.120 --> 0:44:59.359 He's ready, He's ready. 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.120 You and I have talked about this, Willie, He's ready. 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:02.960 This is a league, especially when you have a high 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.759 paid quarterback. This is this is a league about superstars 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:09.319 and cheap talent, right, inexpensive cheap leaves just like here 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.080 at this radio station, very much like here at the 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.040 radio station. So the Bengals have stars who are getting 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:15.800 paid a lot of money. By the way, one of them, yesterday, 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.960 t Higgins was awesome, better than this awesome. You have 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:22.239 to get immediate impact from your draft choices, especially your 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:23.040 first round picks. 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.080 But in three years, yeah, nothing that hasn't happened. Do 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:27.680 you want to hear some facts? Of course I do. 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.480 When was the last time a starting quarterback in the 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:36.520 NFL through for four hundred and seventy yards that the 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:40.319 team recovered a fumble? That shall we say on the 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:44.600 inside kick? That the opening kick went for ninety five 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:49.560 yards in a touchdown, that two wide receivers had over 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:53.080 one hundred yards each, That the quarterback throws for four touchdowns, 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.719 they block a field goal, and they score forty two 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.960 points and lost. When was the last time that happened? 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:01.680 It happened yesterday? Oh, I'm sorry, either of nineteen sixty six, 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:04.840 your friend New York Giants and the Green Bay Packers, 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.680 and you won't recall that. And of course this is 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.480 a record of that's fifty nine years of ineptitude. 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.120 So since Week three of last year, so that's the 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:18.000 last fifteen games of last season that's run, and then 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.040 nine games this year, twenty four games. 0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:20.640 That's a lot. 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:24.000 In one quarter of those games, the Bengals have scored 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:28.240 more than thirty and lost again. In their last twenty 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.440 four games down there have been six, six times the 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:36.120 Bengals offensively have scored thirty or more and have lost. 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:39.879 And what a quarter in one quarter of their game 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:43.799 one courter and they lost. So the last week three 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:47.120 last year against Washington, they scored thirty three points and lost. 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:51.080 So that to yesterday, that's a span of twenty four games. 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.440 Pretty good run in six of them. Does Mike Brown 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:55.640 know this? I'm sure he does. In six of them 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.640 they have scored more than thirty and lost. If that 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.319 happens twice during that stretch, that's a lot. 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.120 Panic. It's happened to this team six times. Panic. 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:08.320 They've changed defensive coordinators. They really haven't changed the players. 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:09.080 Where's your low? 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:10.719 The person in. 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:15.000 Charge of constructing the roster is Duke Tobin twenty five years, 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:16.600 is been doing. He is the one that looked at 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.400 the secondary last year's secondary and literally added nobody. 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:21.719 They didn't look good. 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.440 They didn't draft a safety, they didn't draft a corner. 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.640 Do they have an NBA problem? I have no idea. 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:29.839 I had more than one tweet talking about the three 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:34.399 defenders surrounding number eighty four. You me and Tony could 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:35.200 have tackled that guy. 0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.360 I know, low, you go high. All you got to 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.239 do is get him to the ground. So the frustrating 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.600 thing is you knew what was gonna happen. You knew 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.800 what the Bengals scored. You know, Aam Taylor, the previous 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.759 driver or two drives prior got crushed on social media 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.400 for the challenge where ultimately gave Chicago a touchdown, and 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.560 I thought, what's the worst that can happen? You're just 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:57.120 gonna hasten the inevitable because you know the Bengals defense 0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.400 is going to give up scores when the game is 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.279 hanging in the back a lot. It has been the 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:04.680 case now for a while, and the longer it persists, 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.680 the less trustworthy this organization is that they're going to 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.160 figure out, like, you've got to start from scratch with 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:13.120 next year's defense. We're not supposed to be starting from 0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:14.719 scratch during the Joe Burrow era. 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:15.800 How do you tackle somebody? 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.160 We're supposed to be competing for championships in the Joe 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.320 Burrow era? Are you competing for championships if you're starting 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.319 from scratch? The answer is no, So. 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.040 What do you do? You're now Duke Tobin, Mike Brown, 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:30.280 Katie Burnt, Blackburn Brown, your Troy Blackburn Brown, You're Paul H. Brown, 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:32.680 You're all the Browns. It's a mom and pop operation 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:35.720 worth billions of dollars, by the way I read online. Yeah, 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.919 big game on Saturday with Ohio State and Penn State. 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:42.040 Lots of NFL talent, would you agree? Tons who didn't 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:44.800 send a scout to that game? So the Bengals not correct? 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:50.560 If I'm Paul, Katie, Troy, Elizabeth, Carolyn, Paul H. Whoever 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.680 at all, and I'm sitting there with Duke Tobin, we're 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.440 asking the simple question, why haven't you been able to 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.160 fix this? And why should I trust you to fix 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:00.440 something that you haven't up able? 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:02.000 Doesn't talk at all? 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.840 Right, Oftentimes during a bye week, the personnel person for 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.360 a professional football team will be available. He's never available. 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.680 He's available at the scouting combine, which he should be, 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:15.080 and they make him available during the mock Turtle Soup 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:18.360 thing where everybody asked Mike Brown question questions maybe you 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.320 and I should go to that, and so, to a degree, 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:22.759 I feel bad for Zach Taylor, and trust me, Zach 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.920 is is not somebody who's absolved of blaming here, but 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.560 he is the spokesperson for the franchise, and I think 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.160 to a degree the spokesperson for things is in tears. 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.160 I'm not sure he's completely responsible. 0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.759 For who's more likely to hold a news conference at 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:39.280 four o'clock today, Aftab pureval Are, Duke Tobin. 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.160 Well, that's a very good question. I'm gonna say Aftab 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:43.560 really yeah, because. 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.360 He's under eight and one plumbers. He's not talking. But 0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:50.520 after seven people shot yesterday and he's under he's holder. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.040 And I thought I thought putting the police chief on 0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:54.759 administrative leave was going to solve that. 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:57.359 You're making no sense at all. 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.719 Oh, I thought they were gonna put the chief on 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:04.160 leave and all the crime was gonna it's acting. 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:06.520 Oh gosh, So you didn't answer my question. 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:08.920 How many of the people who shot others this weekend 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:13.799 were out only low bond all of them, including well, 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.120 you know the dude who broke into my house, he's 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:20.920 on bonders. Anne Hathaway just let him walk, just no 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:22.279 bond at all when they arrested that. 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.080 I judge Hathaway did. I helped to get into law school. 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.279 Alie Hachaway just used to work here. Just let him 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.160 walk when he got arrested. So you know it's a 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.200 criminal defense attorney. You like to hear this guy? I can, 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:37.520 I can certainly, I can certainly speak from experience. 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.040 I talked to the Magic Man about this. You want 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.719 to get your cases in front of Judge Hathaway and 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:46.080 criminal defense lawyers do that. Fortunately, Judge Gearing did hear that. 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:49.920 Did do the trials for both guys who busted into 0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:52.360 my house, and he took care of him, and Hathaway 0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:56.799 not so much. Well that's your friend anyway. You right, 0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:00.680 no problem with Anne until they're all who busted in 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:02.160 my house? I hey here, fine, you want to go 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.320 home for dinner? Goes God reparative justice not for you, 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.279 but for the Criminalso. 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:08.000 Tooba's not going to talk today. 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:09.759 How about to Tap Pure of All is not going 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:12.600 to talk today, and Hathaway's not going to talk today. 0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:15.040 Mike Brown's not going to talk today. Are you talking? 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:16.799 I don't know. I've got a lot on my mind. 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:18.880 All right. Secondly, I'm glad you brought this up. I 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:22.399 could talk about FC who got hammered. I could talk 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.439 about you see I got hammered. I could talk about 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.839 Deer Park High school. I got hammered. But when number 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:31.719 eighty four yesterday about four point thirty ran into the. 0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:33.920 End zone for the Bear, I didn't even make this connection. 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.280 I make connections you don't. Yes, I thought about Bob Trumpy, 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:40.440 your memories of the great Trumpster. 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:43.040 Godfather, excuse me, godfather of sports talk in this town. 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:46.960 The first time I was ever asked to do six 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:50.799 to nine on this radio station, I said, Holy hell, 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.439 I get a chance to fill in on the show 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:58.360 that Bob Trumpy hosted created, And as far as I'm concerned, 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.719 you know is since it's been Chris Collinsworth and Andy 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:05.560 Furman and Paul Doherty and Lance McAllister and awesome host 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.319 Tom Gamble and Tom Gamble, it's still Bob Trumpy Show 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.320 and always will be, even though he hasn't hosted it 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:14.120 on a regular basis in thirty five years. Here's my 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:17.080 favorite part of Bob Trumpy. So in two thousand, we 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.480 got the radio rights back and they were trying to 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:20.959 figure out what the coverage was going. 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:22.799 To be, like, who was gonna do what Mike Brown said? 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:23.920 Forgot about Bob Trumpy. 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:27.440 So we got Trumpy. We hired Bob Trumpy back to 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.880 do two things. He did a show on Thursdays with Boomerisiasin, 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:34.360 and they got Bob to do a segment on the 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:38.680 pregame show, the Countdown to Kickoff Show, where he would 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.480 talk with the other team's head coach. And so at 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:43.279 the time, I was working in the morning with Jim 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.280 and I was told, hey, we need you to record 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:49.200 this segment every week with Bob Trumpy. And what's gonna 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.640 happen is Trump's gonna call you and he's gonna tell 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.080 you what time he's going to interview the coach of 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:56.879 whatever team the Bengals are playing. So the first week, 0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:00.960 they played the Cleveland Browns and I think Chris Palmer 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.080 was the head coach. But Bob Trump he calls me. 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:05.440 I had never spoken to him. I'd never talked to him, 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:07.279 but I was told like, hey, we know you like 0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.439 to mess with people, Mo, you really can't screw around 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.239 with Bob Trumpy. So Trump calls and he's like, and 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:14.040 again I think it was Chris Palmer, but he goes, 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:18.000 Chris Palmer is gonna call the studio between one and 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:21.279 four thirty on Wednesday, I'll see you there. And then 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:23.600 the next week it was like Bill Belichick or somebody. 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:26.440 It was like Bill Belichick is gonna call Thursday between 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:29.600 two and five, or Jeff Fisher is gonna call us 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:33.840 on Wednesday between eleven am and fours like the cableman. 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:38.040 So every week, like Judge Hathaway, Monday would call. Bob 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.040 would call me on Monday and tell me. This was 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:42.480 for four years, tell me which coach you know, you 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:44.919 knew which coach it was gonna be, Hey, this coach 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:47.040 is gonna call. And it was always in this large window. 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.640 So in Mount Adams we had a studio studio KA, 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:51.640 which was like the studio where they took all the 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.480 really old equipment and you just said, so, Bob and 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.400 I would sit in this studio for hours on end. 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:01.040 He'd be chainsmoking cigarettes I know, and right, I mean 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.120 the guy I know, you know, and you would tell 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:07.960 him like, I'm not sure, okay, fine, I'll keep that 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:13.680 in mind. So for four months, every week, usually on Wednesdays, 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:16.160 I would sit in a room just like this one, 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.719 just me and Trump, and it occurred, you know what, 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.280 this is the greatest ever at. 0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:22.960 What I want to do. 0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:27.160 Maybe it would behoove me to start like talking to 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:29.480 this guy and get him to tell stories, and so 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:32.799 it became the favorite, My favorite part of my week, 0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:36.200 sitting in a room for three or four hours waiting 0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:38.680 for the phone ring, And the best part is when 0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:42.040 the coach would call. Bob would talk to the coach 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.040 off the record for twenty minutes, and he would never 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:46.160 let me hit record until it was time to record, 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.560 And so I would listen to Bob Trump, he talked 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:52.239 to Bill Cower, Bill Belichick, all these coaches off the 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.520 record about their teams, about god knows what. He was 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.080 still doing games for Westwood One on Sunday nights. 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:57.799 He was still back. 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:00.800 Was wonderful and it was my favorite part of the 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.640 week where I would listen to Bob talk to these coaches, 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.760 the on the record stuff that we recorded. Who cares 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:09.120 it was all the stuff they talked about off air. 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:12.160 And then in the hours leading up to that, just 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:15.480 hanging out with Bob, getting him to tell stories, picking 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.960 his brain, making fun of him, him, making fun of me, 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.920 enjoying that laugh that he had, which Chris Collinsworth talked 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:23.040 about on TV last night. 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.000 He's just the best. He is just the absolute best. 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:28.239 He lived a good life in his long life and 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.280 he was a great football player. NBC Olympics and also 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.960 the NFL and also the Masters and more. But thank 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:37.360 you for breaking down the fact that Duke Tobin is 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:39.520 doing a great job. We need more of this. And 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.439 thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:42.960 And by the way, they should have had the Ring 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:45.040 of Honor years ago so Bob could be in while 0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:45.560 he was alive. 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.680 Same thing, same thing I've said it often give roses 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:52.640 to the living spill Cunningham seven hundred ww. Listen. 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:54.960 One thing that helps me a great deal, and there's 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:59.080 no denying this. Working for NBC and doing football games 0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:03.040 is helps me im miserably. As an example, and I 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.560 don't mean to drop names, but just to give you 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:08.880 an example of what happened to me over the weekend. 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:13.640 Last Friday, I talked for forty five minutes with Pete Rose, 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:18.160 which will appear on Headfirst. Flew to Los Angeles. As 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:19.800 soon as I got to Los Angeles, we got in 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.200 the car and drove to Oxnard, California, which is where 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:24.960 the Los Angeles Raiders work out. I talked with Al 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.680 Davis for three hours. I talked with Tom Floyes for 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:29.840 an hour and a half said Lord to Lyle Alzaio. 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:33.120 Chris Barr talked to Jim Plunkett, and I'm not dropping names. 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.799 I'm just telling you this is the nature of my business. Yeah, 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.279 this is the nature of my business. Yeah, this is 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:41.480 the nature of my business. So you hear opinions from 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:45.960 other people. That was Friday. Saturday. I get up, walk 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:49.279 down to the Hyatt Regency in downtown Los Angeles. I 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.440 have a cup of coffee with Don Shula, talk to 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.200 him for about an hour and a half, shoot the breeze, 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:57.080 get out to the ballpark. I spoke with Danny Thomas. 0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.960 He was at the game and had just seen Don Kraik. 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:02.360 Can I do a broadcast and shot the breeze with 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.279 him for a little bit. I talk with Al Lokasal 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:09.719 Paul Zimmerman. I saw last weekend of Sports Illustrated. So 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:13.120 the people I come in contact with are my biggest 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:16.040 source of information. I listen more than I talk. When 0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:18.600 I travel here, I talk on the air, I talk, 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:20.240 but all the rest of the time I do an 0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:21.040 awful lot of listening. 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:33.560 Hello, quiet and I'm Scots. I'm broadcasting and by the way, 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:36.120 segment I am coming up after two o'clock, your friend 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:39.840 Ken Kober of the Police Union responding to your buddy 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:42.680 Iris Rowlie and her on tourage. She was like a 0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:46.080 rock star walking around and an entourage. This sounds like 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.760 a mess. And segment also before they're finding guns on 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:52.080 the side of the road, right, where'd that come from? 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:52.520 Don't know? 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:56.480 Guns? Where seven people were shot, and Iris Roli says 0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:59.800 she has lots of work to do. Iteg before you start, 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.720 I want to say this also, you said this off 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:07.080 the air. Between nineteen eighty four and nineteen ninety nine, 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:12.560 it was Jim Scott, then Mike McConnell ten to three right, 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:16.000 and then Gary from three to six right, then Trumpy 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:20.760 six to nine, slash Collinsworth slash Furman correct, then nine 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.960 to one, and then nine to midnight was me right, 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:27.320 then the truck and Bozo Dale summers until six o'clock 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.480 in the morning, start all over again for those sixteen years. 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:35.840 Not a bad lineup, excellent, And then I went to middays. 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:39.560 Then I went to Jim Scott, Mike McConnell, Bill Cunningham, 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:46.240 Gary Burbank, still Collinsworth, Trumpy, then Scott Sloan, then the 0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:50.800 Truck and Bozo also got a bad lineup, would you agree? Correct? 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:54.640 Now get into it. Before you get into it, I 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:58.920 want to review a little bit what happened Friday, Saturday, 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:04.000 Sunday at Are you prepared? Go ahead? Wasn't good? Before 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:07.720 you get into it. Yeah, my dear parm Cincinnati. It's 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.200 nothing about the past, nothing about the futures. Right now 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:13.400 we're tramps Cincinnati. Guess who has the game with North 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:16.520 Carolina this Saturday on the CW. Don't tell me it's 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.360 Rocky Boyman Tom Brenneman. I want to talk to Tom. 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:23.360 One of my great fans, Tim Meltzner. Yes, who's in 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:24.680 delphas close to Anna? 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:25.880 Anna? 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:26.320 Over? 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:30.480 The Rockets played Friday night Deer Park. Sure did so? 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:33.440 Like Anna is a woman beat up on the park. 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.000 I have a clip of the scoreboard sent by this 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:42.320 Meltner character, fifty four to fifteen deer Park not on top. Well, 0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:43.920 you know what, at least they made it, will he? 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:47.920 You know? Unlike Cole Raine correct Saturday. Many other teams 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:51.720 didn't make it either. The Bearcats Saturday night, I had 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.680 a lot at landed the Utes ass kicking in Salt 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.280 Lake City. I was like forty five to fourteen but 0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:00.640 then I had hope for Sunday. I do with with 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.200 a minute to go, then we'll talk about that in 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:07.960 a moment. Then Sunday night. Yeah, FC goes to Colion 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:11.720 of the crew. Correct, and uh, there were twenty shots 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:15.600 on goal by both teams in the entire game for nil. 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:19.480 And guess what, FC Cincinnati had one shot on goal 1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:23.320 and that was it. And by the way, yeah, this 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:28.120 Delphis character who's sending me this negative information? Metner? If 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:30.880 I'm saying that correctly, I'm not sure. I think it's Metner. 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:34.200 I want to take pictures if we played basketball against 1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:37.200 that woman named Anna, what happens there? Seg Now get 1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:39.280 me into the STUDI report. Please will he the Stuode 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:42.200 Reporters approud service of your local temp Star Heating and 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:46.360 air conditioning dealers, Temstar quality you could feel in beautiful 1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:49.280 northern Kentucky cal Johnson Heating and Cooling at eight five 1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:55.480 nine four seven two sixty fifty one sports. Thank you, Roxy. 1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:58.560 Let's see Willie. Also, it's that time of the season, 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:01.320 what is it right around corner of the holidays are 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:04.240 coming up Thanksgiving and you need to get on the 1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:08.360 wist Tree program celebrating forty one years forty one. Uh, though, 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:10.720 if you want a tree to help out your community, 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:14.400 let's get it done. Five one three eight five two 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:18.320 eighteen ninety five. Get it done five one three eight 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:23.000 five two eighteen ninety five, or or email the Wiz 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:27.560 Tree program the Wish the wis Tree program at gmail, 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:31.520 gmail dot com. Segment can help out to help out others. 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:35.360 On the Bengals, I put on my ex account and 1:01:35.680 --> 1:01:38.800 uh a certain picture which you can see right here. 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:43.080 They have three Bengals surrounding one guy. That is mister 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:46.880 Colston Leonard, the rookie Bob Trump. He's number eighty four. 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:49.000 What were the odds of those three guys in that 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:51.760 pick right there not tackling. All they had to do 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:54.520 was knock him down at the game right They can't 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:56.560 do it? No, they bounced off of him like a 1:01:56.640 --> 1:02:00.960 rubber ball, and then mister Leonard ran ran into for 1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:05.920 the touchdown with seventeen seconds to go to crush Bengals 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:09.600 Nation Tony second week in a row that the defensive 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.439 team has been banished from the locker room. They're gonna 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:16.120 dress for the next two weeks. Visiting reports are that 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:19.480 the I guess the media tried to talk to various 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:24.520 defensive players yesterday. They laughed and said we'll see you Monday, 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:28.040 and walked out. How about Ivy lines up on a 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:31.200 field goal attempt by the Bears offside? Thank you? He 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:34.160 misses the field goal, they get five yards, Bears go 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:37.320 down and score seven. What about Ivy? The defensive team 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:40.320 is laughing at their performance. Do you think there's a 1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:44.800 cultural problem inside that locker room? Zach zach Schula? How 1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:48.760 bad is it? Something's wrong? Willy because of another excruciating loss. 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:51.720 Say that the Bengals have allowed twenty seven or more 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:56.440 points in eight consecutive games. They missed fifteen tackles yesterday 1:02:56.520 --> 1:03:00.000 for additional one hundred and thirty three yards. Last three weeks, 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.800 they've allowed one hundred and nineteen points and nearly fifteen 1:03:02.880 --> 1:03:06.920 hundred yards. They're the doors they're going to. They're going 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:10.480 into the bye week, then, Pittsburgh. Let's see more tonight 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:13.000 on Bengals line. Let's hear it all, six oh five, 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:15.880 get it done. The Bengals are still asking for a 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:19.720 first round pick in any deal deal for Trey Hendrix 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:22.640 saf he can't play. The tray deadline is tomorrow at 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:25.600 four o'clo can't play well. I don't know what to tight. 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:29.280 You should we trade Joe Burrow but he can't play either. 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:32.120 He's hurt. I'm sorry, I can't play. Let's see soccer. 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:37.160 Columbus Routes FC Cincinnati four nil. What did I say 1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:39.640 to you on Friday? On Monday afternoon? Yeah, we're gonna 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:42.360 sit here. Right, You've got deer Park against uh Anna, 1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:45.440 the Rockets, got the bear Cats against the Utes. Yes, 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:48.040 we've got the Bengalleys against the Bears. Right, we have 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:51.439 FC against the Crew. Yep, let's go two out of four, 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:53.160 maybe three out of four? What happened? 1:03:54.120 --> 1:03:54.240 Oh? 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:57.840 For four? Who played worse? Deer Park High School, the Bearcats, 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:02.160 the Bengals or FC, all of them? Decisive? Game three 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:06.880 is Saturday night, six o'clock at TQL Stadium. Good luck, 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:10.360 that's uh you know, had no shots on FC. If 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:12.360 you can't shoot at the goal, you can't score, right, 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:15.920 uh so one and the other team had nineteen shots 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:19.040 on goal and made four. College basketball opens up tonight, 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:24.640 Bearcats against Western Carolina six thirty seven under WLW Mariston 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:29.160 Xavior centas center six forty five fifty five KRC. Here 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:32.960 we go NKU and UC Claremont six thirty on the project. 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:35.640 Did you like Irish Rollie and her entourage? I did 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:37.640 not see her. It was like a rock star. She 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:41.520 wanted to meet you. No, she didn't. Old Dominion up 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:46.200 against the Miami RedHawks, Canisius and Dayton, Ohio State, and 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:51.000 IU Indianapolis. Franklin meets Wright State in Louisville takes on 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:54.280 South Carolina State. Seke up against the clock. Please give 1:04:54.360 --> 1:04:56.240 me out of the students report, and I want to 1:04:56.280 --> 1:04:58.800 let the American people know now at one o seven, 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:01.960 I'm sorry two oh seven and today Ken Kober, the 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:06.480 sergeant of CPD, responds to Irish Rowlie, whoa by the way, 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:11.800 she wants to do a podcast with me. Will you 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:13.680 and I have a beautiful day here at the Tri 1:05:13.840 --> 1:05:17.080 State and just somebody went around here? Will you we 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:20.680 leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge report? 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:22.760 Nope? 1:05:22.760 --> 1:05:28.800 Comments is that Duke Tobin he's not talking. No, nobody 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:33.240 is an unnamed Bengal official right there. Well, do you 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.120 think they owe us an explanation for the team they 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:38.360 put together on defense and need to do something? No comments? 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:41.479 Oh okay, Well they're they're not talking us to pr 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:44.680 director for the Bengals, Sea wouldn't want to be on 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:57.520 seven hundred w W more of the Bengals debacle and 1:05:57.600 --> 1:05:59.880 Sports Park the first of all, for those who named 1:05:59.880 --> 1:06:01.960 a listening, it will be on the on the podcast 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:05.760 quite soon. My interview with Iris Rowley, who's the shall 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:08.800 we say a collaborator. My first question of her was, 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:12.440 how can you collaborate with a part of the collaborative, 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:15.920 which is the Cincinnati Police a thousand members strong, when 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:19.480 the police union believes that you're wrongfully interfering with the 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:22.200 rest on the street and that's somehow they don't want 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:24.080 to collaborate with you. In fact, they've had to vote 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:26.840 of no confidence or something of that character. Joining you 1:06:26.880 --> 1:06:29.440 and I now is Ken Kober, who's the president of 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:32.320 Queen City Lodge sixty nine, which is the police union 1:06:32.400 --> 1:06:34.840 in the city of Cincinnati, about nine hundred and fifty 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:37.920 members strong. And Ken Kober a sergeant. Welcome again to 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:40.800 the Bill Cunningham Show. Can you answer the question about 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:44.880 whether or not Irish Rowley, in her official capacity, interfered 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:48.280 with an arrest and then what came of that, if anything? 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:53.080 Actually she did twice, you know those videos, of course 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:56.720 got out on social media about that officers are frustrated. 1:06:56.760 --> 1:06:58.200 They're frustrated that it was going on. 1:06:59.600 --> 1:07:01.960 And I had a conversation with Iris and explain to 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:04.880 her that you're lucky you didn't get arrested, and you 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:09.160 will likely come across the wrong officers or the right 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:11.920 officers that are going to make that decision, and it 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:16.120 would likely be bad for you. So luckily, it seems 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:19.800 like she is quieted down. Obviously, I haven't got any 1:07:19.880 --> 1:07:24.120 reports of her interfering with officers lately, which is good and. 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:27.520 That's not her job. But nonetheless, also coming from that, 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:32.440 she said, the media reported that after Purival, who right 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:34.920 now this Monday afternoon is hunting out somewhere under a 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:37.600 cavern under eight oh one Plum Street until tomorrow night, 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:40.280 that he was going to speak to her, give her 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:43.280 a talking to about what should do and what not do, 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:46.240 and she kind of denied that occurred too. Is that 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:48.800 you're understanding the mayor or the city manager's share a 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:51.880 long spoke to her about interfering with police arrest Is 1:07:51.920 --> 1:07:52.760 that your understanding? 1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:55.680 Yeah, I mean I talked to the city manager directly, 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:58.400 and she said that she would be having a conversation 1:07:58.520 --> 1:08:01.560 with Iris explain to the city manager that if that 1:08:01.840 --> 1:08:06.480 happens again, the next officer is likely going to arrest her, 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:10.320 and the city manager indicated that she understood and that 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:12.680 she would be having a conversation with her to correct 1:08:12.720 --> 1:08:13.560 this baby and. 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:16.360 Iris really would not confirm that took place, nor confirm 1:08:16.520 --> 1:08:18.080 whether or not she was told what not to do. 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:20.160 How did you feel about a week or two ago 1:08:20.240 --> 1:08:22.920 when she was given a contract extension I think it 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:26.160 was three years, about three hundred and fifty thousand dollars 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:28.920 to consult with the city. How did that make you feel. 1:08:30.160 --> 1:08:32.720 We know the city waste money, unfortunately on a lot 1:08:32.760 --> 1:08:33.160 of things. 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:37.080 As far as I'm concerned, as long as she stays 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:41.040 out of the operations of the police, I don't care 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:42.760 what they I don't care what they pay her for, 1:08:43.200 --> 1:08:45.360 and I don't care what she does as long as 1:08:45.400 --> 1:08:46.839 she's not out interfering with officers. 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.040 In fact, I told her off there. Look, if somebody 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:51.519 offers you or me or ken Kober one hundred and 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.680 ten thousand dollars a year to do no work, no 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:56.880 show up job, simply to every now and then go 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:59.960 to government Square, most of us would take the job anyway, 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:03.360 not a bad gig. As far as the central point, 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:06.120 Ken Kober step it back from this, and I made 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:09.200 the point to her that there's numerous police agencies just 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:13.439 in Hamilton County. I think there's fifteen or eighteen something 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:17.599 like that, Sharonville, Madeira, Green Township, fair Factor. There's lots 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:21.000 of police agencies. None of them have a collaborative and 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:23.479 none of them have someone like Irish Roly keeping an 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:26.560 eye on the cops. None of them have federal court supervision. 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.600 And so I asked her, is something unique about Cincinnati 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:32.760 cops that have had black police chiefs, black captains, black 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:36.360 city managers, black mayor that somehow in the city of Cincinnati, 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:40.759 the cops in Cincinnati are more racist than cops everywhere 1:09:40.800 --> 1:09:44.000 else in Hamilton County, much less the dry state. And 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:47.439 she set off paraphrase, Well, they need supervision too, they 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:50.160 need help. Is that you're understanding, you've been there twenty 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:54.080 five or thirty years that Cincinnati police have a racial 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.519 bias or prejudice against black people. 1:09:58.160 --> 1:10:00.519 No, they absolutely did not, and it's been time and 1:10:00.600 --> 1:10:03.000 time again that they don't. And you know, you understand 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:06.880 that this collaborative agreement This is all now voluntary. The 1:10:06.960 --> 1:10:10.559 city doesn't have to abide by it. There's no court order, 1:10:10.640 --> 1:10:14.559 there's nothing. They just continue to go by what they've 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:16.439 gone for you know, the last twenty four years. 1:10:16.479 --> 1:10:16.599 Now. 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:20.240 For those listening around the nation, what does the collaborative 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:24.679 specifically do that the loss of an Irish really would hurt. 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:27.400 What does it actually do for the men and women 1:10:27.479 --> 1:10:28.880 in blue in the city of Cincinnati. 1:10:30.479 --> 1:10:32.639 I don't think it does anything really to help. 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:35.200 In fact, you know, there is a belief out there 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:38.719 that the Collaborative agreement could be holding back the police 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:42.800 department from progressing further. I'm not saying that it's a 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:45.920 bad idea necessarily to have it, but I certainly think 1:10:46.000 --> 1:10:48.879 that there should be opportunity for it to be tweaked. 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:53.360 But you know, it's all about community policing. 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:55.920 Which we've done anyway. You know, a good beat officer 1:10:56.400 --> 1:11:00.280 knows everybody on their beat. That is community policing in 1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:04.160 its rawlest form. So you know, something that we're just 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:08.000 volunteering to abide by, it doesn't It doesn't make a 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:10.760 whole lot of sense. But I also really could care less. 1:11:11.000 --> 1:11:13.599 Are you saying the city would be better off without 1:11:13.640 --> 1:11:14.400 the collaborative. 1:11:16.520 --> 1:11:18.400 I think they should look at how it can be 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:22.280 tweaked to progress this police officer, this police department further. 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:23.200 That is what I think. 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:25.080 Do I care if it doesn't matter like so, we 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:27.360 followed this for twenty four years now. 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:31.280 No, they do it voluntarily, but I certainly think there 1:11:31.280 --> 1:11:33.839 would be an opportunity to see if we could progress 1:11:33.920 --> 1:11:34.920 this police department further. 1:11:35.160 --> 1:11:37.400 About a month or two ago, when she interfered with 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:39.560 the first or second arrest, which by the way, is 1:11:39.600 --> 1:11:42.519 a crime, and if a normal citizen had done exactly 1:11:43.520 --> 1:11:45.760 the factual acts of virus rely they would have been 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:48.760 charged without question. But because at one point she said, 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:50.680 do you know who I am? Do you know who 1:11:50.760 --> 1:11:53.960 I am? Didn't she say that in one of the 1:11:54.040 --> 1:11:58.880 obstruction of justice events? Absolutely? What did the officer say 1:11:58.920 --> 1:12:00.200 when she said you know who I am? I am 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:03.479 went to the officer of the female cop, do so, 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:06.040 I'm well aware of who you are? Because and then 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.080 she had to be careful. The message was you got 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:10.880 to be careful, careful because this is iris Roley. You 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:13.320 got to be careful. And you might recall when that 1:12:13.479 --> 1:12:17.599 happened and the FOP did you issue on the fop's part. 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:21.040 Was it a condemnation, was it a reprimand was it 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:24.040 a suggestion she'd be fired? What action did the FOP 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:25.400 take against Iris Roley. 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:32.400 I actually filed a complaint with Central HR, which I 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:34.560 was then told that, well, we're not even going to 1:12:34.600 --> 1:12:38.599 investigate this because she's not an employee, although there are 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:41.000 part of the administrative regulations that say if you are 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:44.160 a contractor, you have to abide by the same rules 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:47.599 that a city employee does, and they just they refused 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:48.400 even investigated. 1:12:48.840 --> 1:12:52.400 So they said we're not going to so politically that 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:55.960 the city knew not to investigate Irish Rowley. Is that 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.120 fair to say? Absolutely? 1:12:58.680 --> 1:12:58.800 Now. 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:01.120 One of the events that happened and after you and 1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:04.240 the police said we can't have this, is that there 1:13:04.320 --> 1:13:07.080 was some question whether the contract was going to be renewed, 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:10.320 and so Iris Rowley called out the Blackfist and other 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:13.600 so called left wing civil rights groups to protest on 1:13:13.640 --> 1:13:16.000 the steps of city Hall, to send a message to 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:18.439 the mayor and to share along. You know what this 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:21.840 has got a downside was that an implicit threat by 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:25.040 the Blackfist that there'd be difficulties in the city unless 1:13:25.080 --> 1:13:26.160 they renewed her contract. 1:13:27.960 --> 1:13:31.280 I think one could certainly believe that that absolutely was 1:13:31.320 --> 1:13:31.679 the case. 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:34.920 As far as moving forward, I understand that you may 1:13:35.000 --> 1:13:37.960 be leaving in a year or two and you're either 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:39.840 going to age out or retire out to say I 1:13:39.920 --> 1:13:43.240 can't do it anymore is the city and you've been 1:13:43.280 --> 1:13:46.800 there for twenty five or thirty years since the collaborative began. 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:48.720 I think, like in twenty oh two or something like that. 1:13:50.080 --> 1:13:53.880 How much more professional is CPD today than it was 1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:55.320 twenty five or thirty years ago. 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:58.880 Oh, I think the police department has grown a lot. 1:13:59.280 --> 1:14:02.160 There's been a lot of positive changes that have been made. 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:04.720 Like I said, I'm not saying that that this is 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:07.080 a bad thing, but I do think that it could 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:10.040 be holding the police department back. But yeah, I mean, 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:13.000 there's no doubt that we continue to progress as a 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:17.280 police department constantly. You know, it's a different department even 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.080 from five years ago, and that's because of the work 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:23.800 of the people that are there. The cops are absolutely fantastic, 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:26.479 but if you always have to be trying to become 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.600 a better police officer and a better police department. 1:14:30.160 --> 1:14:33.479 Was the thiji I called her discharge the odds era 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:36.799 coming back. It's about the same odds of segment Dennis 1:14:36.840 --> 1:14:39.559 and dunkin of basketball on a ten foot high court 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:45.160 ain't gonna happen. She's gone. Russin. One of the officers 1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:48.800 involved with Thiji told me that Irish really told them 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:51.960 that the chief of police should not be fired. And 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:55.439 is that you're understanding that the Thiji is not coming 1:14:55.560 --> 1:14:59.799 back and that it appears that her days are numbered. 1:15:00.200 --> 1:15:02.080 I was told by a little birdie when she was 1:15:02.160 --> 1:15:04.960 in Denver her days are in single digits. She's not 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:07.120 going to make it. And that's enraged a whole bunch 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:11.360 of people. So is there a sense that if Henny's involved, 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:15.000 what are your feelings about Captain Adam Henny, who's now 1:15:15.040 --> 1:15:17.320 the arm Chief being the chief of police going forward. 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:20.360 Well, I can tell you, first of all, it would 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:22.799 not surprise me if she doesn't come back, and quite honestly, 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:25.000 after the way she's been treated, I wouldn't want to 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:27.519 come back if I was her, I would want to 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:30.639 get whatever severance I can get and just go away 1:15:30.840 --> 1:15:34.320 and go and enjoy my retirement because it's absolutely just 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:37.759 shameful the way she was treated. Now, going to Colonel Henney, 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:40.679 I actually worked for him in the Central Business section. 1:15:41.400 --> 1:15:45.400 He is an absolute fantastic leader, you know. But it 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:49.080 all comes down to is city Hall going to allow 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:51.479 him to do the things that he needs to do 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:53.640 to get this police department where it needs to be. 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:56.439 And that's that's what's you have to be seen, you know. 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:58.240 But you could say the same thing for Chief Fiji. 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:00.639 If she was allowed to run the apartment the way 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:05.439 she saw fit and not be influenced by city Hall, 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:07.479 I think we probably would have a different police department. 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:09.800 So we'll see moving forward how it works out with 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:12.960 Colonel Henney. A little Bertie told me that the line 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:16.960 officers who investigated the matters of July twenty sixth, especially 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:20.639 about Alex Shrevinsky. A Bertie told me that the line 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:23.840 officers who did the investigation did not want to file 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:27.120 criminal charges. And in fact I was also told that 1:16:27.240 --> 1:16:30.040 Thiji as the chief, would not sign on the dotted 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:33.240 line that the officer believed that a crime was committed 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:39.320 by Alex Servinsky against the future criminal defendants. Is it 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:42.080 true to the best year knowledge that Captain Henny, now 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:44.280 the interim chief, is the one who signed the charges 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:48.760 against Alex Shrevinsky as the innocent white person charged. Is 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:49.679 that your understanding? 1:16:50.720 --> 1:16:51.320 Yeah, he was. 1:16:51.439 --> 1:16:54.599 Ordered by the city solicitor to city solicitor to sign 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:55.160 the charges. 1:16:55.640 --> 1:16:59.599 Did Emily smart Warner, who's the city solicitor, to your knowledge, 1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:03.639 did she do any factual investigation at all to form 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:07.000 the basis of filling criminal charges against an innocent person? 1:17:07.200 --> 1:17:11.479 Did she actually personally do any investigation? Not that I'm 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:14.240 aware of, but the line officers said, don't do it. 1:17:14.360 --> 1:17:17.560 So when we had the city leaders lemon Kearney and 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:21.439 others stand up and say we want a white person 1:17:21.560 --> 1:17:25.080 to be charged, did the city council members and the 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:27.880 so called civil rights community at that point know that 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:31.840 the charges were false because the three CDC tape showed 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:34.880 that the first person that threw the first punch was 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:37.920 a black male who hit Alex t in the back 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:40.719 of the head twice. Did the city fathers and mothers 1:17:40.800 --> 1:17:43.880 know that when they demanded the city charges be filed 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:46.040 against Stravinsky they alleged white guy. 1:17:47.200 --> 1:17:49.840 There was certain video that they refused to watch, which 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:53.080 would have been that video that showed what actually occurred. 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:56.439 And you know, it wasn't just the officers that said 1:17:56.479 --> 1:17:57.759 we shouldn't sign these charges. 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:01.920 This went to the prosecutor's office and they said, you're right, 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.920 don't sign these charges. Somehow, then city hall gets involved 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:07.880 and they ordered to sign have them signed charges. 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:10.440 When you say the prosecutor's office, you mean Connie Pillag. 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:13.719 The city and county prosecutor's office. 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:17.400 So Connie Pillage, how many county prosecutor said, no, we're 1:18:17.439 --> 1:18:20.320 not going to charge this guy because of the color 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:23.200 of his skin. We're going to charge based upon merit 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:26.519 and based upon the facts. So Connie Pillag, how many 1:18:26.560 --> 1:18:30.920 county prosecutor, the city solicitor, the city prosecutor's office, not 1:18:31.000 --> 1:18:33.439 the solicitor. The city prosecutor said, don't do it. The 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:37.080 line officer said, don't do it. Thiji said don't do it. 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:40.639 But then the city solicitor, Emily smart Warner got involved 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:44.680 and said, file criminal charges against a person because of 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:47.760 the color of their skin, even though the facts don't 1:18:47.760 --> 1:18:51.120 indicate it. Is that accurate? If those are the facts 1:18:51.120 --> 1:18:54.519 as I knowed them, right then, lastly, I spoke to 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:59.600 an official and the Department of Justice who said this 1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:03.920 amount being investigated as a civil rights violation. So those 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:08.880 involved in this decision proudly stood up like a tenfold 1:19:08.960 --> 1:19:12.040 beacon in the night and said, bring in the cameras, 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:16.280 bring in the microphones. As the city leaders, we're going 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:19.679 to state we want a white person charged with a crime. 1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:24.840 And it happened. And when you live in a city 1:19:24.960 --> 1:19:29.120 or a state or anywhere in America and civil authorities 1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:32.439 say we want a person charged because of the color 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:35.800 of their skin, how wrong is that? 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:42.519 That's absolutely wrong. Anytime you have politics that are meddling 1:19:42.680 --> 1:19:45.240 and policing, you know we have this. We have bad 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:47.800 decisions that are made not off of fact, but off 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:50.719 of feeling, off of what are ever political motivation. 1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:54.320 It's absolutely wrong. And lastly, Ken Kober, Chief, I'm sorry 1:19:54.360 --> 1:19:56.800 the head of the union. I'll put another log on 1:19:56.880 --> 1:19:59.519 the fire. Last week I had on attorney Doug Brannon, 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:04.000 who the attorney for Alex Stravinsky, and the discovery given 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:07.200 to him by the city Prosecutor's office. They did not 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:11.560 include the three c DC tape that showed Alex t 1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:14.160 did not start the fight. They did not put that 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:15.960 in there. He said. The first time I saw it 1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:19.120 was last night on Fox nineteen, and I said, well, 1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:22.360 obviously the charges will be dismissed at some point soon 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:24.799 he said, I'm sure what's going to happen after the election. 1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:27.719 We're going to get the tape from three c DC 1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:30.720 that showed Alex t did not originate anything. He was 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:33.400 a victim from the get go. How does that make 1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:36.439 you feel when the US Department of Justice is looking 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:40.720 at criminal charges against the mayor, the vice mayor and 1:20:40.880 --> 1:20:44.760 others including Emily Smart and Warner and I guess chief 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:48.720 of police now Henny are being looked at criminally by 1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:52.040 the US Department of Justice for filing criminal charges against 1:20:52.040 --> 1:20:53.880 the person because of the color of their skin. 1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:58.240 Well, you know, somebody's got to investigate this to determine 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:00.320 if any laws had been broken. 1:21:01.240 --> 1:21:03.600 You know, that's all part of this process. Yes, I 1:21:03.720 --> 1:21:06.280 certainly welcome this. Isn't it a crime if a city 1:21:06.360 --> 1:21:08.559 or state official says, in the color of state law, 1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:12.000 under color of law, we're going to file charges against 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:16.400 somebody because they're white or black, right? I think I 1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:17.559 think they're going to have some problems. 1:21:17.600 --> 1:21:19.280 You're absolutely right, all right? 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:21.360 Once again, Ken Cober, I wanted you respond to what 1:21:21.479 --> 1:21:25.200 Alice Iris really talked about and segment. Dennison has been 1:21:25.240 --> 1:21:27.600 close to Iris really for a long time, and so 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:29.360 I think it's great that we get her on a 1:21:29.439 --> 1:21:32.080 get her viewpoint heard and Ken Cobra once again, thanks 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:35.200 for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you again. Sure, 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:37.400 thanks for having me. God bless you. Let's continue with more. 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:41.280 You know, democrats in the South for years and decades 1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:44.439 would file criminal charges against people because of the color 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:47.960 of their skin black. Here we are half a century 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:53.720 later now city state officials, including Cecil Thomas state representative, 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:56.639 once criminal charges filed against somebody because of the color 1:21:56.720 --> 1:22:01.719 of their skin white. Cunningham News Radio seven hundreds. 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:05.120 You better make up your mind what you're gonna do. 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:08.720 It's your football team. Find a way to fix it. 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:11.680 Rache down inside and be a pro. 1:22:15.160 --> 1:22:19.720 Hello, by it, I'm broadcasting. 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:26.200 You better make up your mind what you're gonna do. 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:29.800 It's your football team. Find a way to fix it. 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:32.559 Rag down inside and be a pro. 1:22:33.600 --> 1:22:36.559 Was that Zach Shula after the game? Because Marvin Lewis 1:22:36.600 --> 1:22:40.120 to say he's coming back. Lewis is coming back, that's 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:43.240 what they're saying here right, Well, we need something. How 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:47.400 about John Gruden? When Mike Brown pop up? Mike Brown, 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:51.639 how are someone good to come in? That's stupid. The coach. 1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:54.599 The head coach is not the issue. Is your guy 1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:58.200 the person who sacks? Then how about Duke Tobin? What 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:02.080 about him? Twenty five years? They have a special original pancake, Yes, 1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:06.320 the samar Stewart special extra special pancake. That's one. I 1:23:06.600 --> 1:23:09.160 can't understand him to have a body like a Greek 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:11.400 god like he does and have come out of two 1:23:11.479 --> 1:23:16.840 straight games with no tackles none. Yes, Dave, he's hot. 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:20.400 Break it down? What do we got here? Breaking it up? 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:23.320 Not the super Bowl? We're not talking about Derrick Park 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:27.280 losing a woman name. I mean the Bengal defensively in particular. 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:30.280 You got a few trades here. You can start benching 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.519 starters just to send a message in the well, can 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:35.040 they can it be that much worse? 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:35.960 Uh? 1:23:36.200 --> 1:23:36.439 You can? 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:38.599 You know you can start doing that, Maybe start bringing 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:40.840 in some free agents. Maybe you find a diamond in 1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:43.400 the rough. But this is clearly the thing about next year. 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:46.799 You can maybe start firing coaches. You can look at trades, 1:23:46.880 --> 1:23:48.800 but who are you going to trade in order to 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:52.080 get something? You got to give something. Gimpy leg defensive 1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:55.400 end in his thirties who once thirty one years old 1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:57.559 and he hasn't played in two games, So what are 1:23:57.600 --> 1:23:59.360 you gonna get for him? First round draft pick? No, 1:23:59.479 --> 1:24:02.280 they want to first round about Logan Will you might 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:05.080 get a fourth the third. They're not trading him. He's 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:09.120 too valuable. Look what he's done this year already. When 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:11.040 he's on the field. He's not on the field now, 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:14.120 on the field like Joe is what everyone was saying 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:16.360 when you know, when all the contract stuff was going, like, 1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:18.240 you're on the kind on the wrong side of thirty. 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:20.640 Do you want to hey that guy? Did you get here? 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:23.000 We are on draft choice for no? Of course Duke 1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:25.479 two want to screw that up anyway? Who's feeling real good? 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:28.320 The last thing we need, the last thing we need 1:24:28.439 --> 1:24:31.680 is more draft picks. We don't draft well, give it 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:36.040 to Duke more less draft picks. What do we need then? 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:40.639 Guys that can play football in the national Where's and Romo? 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:40.960 Now? 1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:44.400 Where's your lou and them? Fired? When I did not 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:49.080 riding high with uh with the Colts. You're not breaking 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:50.960 it down, Rock, I need to know what I just 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:54.519 gave you. The four options a week from some starters, 1:24:54.720 --> 1:24:59.080 bringing free agents, fire coaches, or trade. How about selling 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:03.400 the team? I'm sorry, moving to Vancouver. This is a 1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:06.160 mom and pop operation worth billions. They have no clue 1:25:06.240 --> 1:25:09.320 what they're doing. Duke Tobin twenty five years? Is that possible? 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:13.599 This guy been there twenty five years, enjoys a brandy 1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:15.560 with Mikey boy every now and then. That's about it. 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:19.760 It's not gonna it's not gonna change. Before we go 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:23.880 to the segment number one, Friday Night, Deer Park versus 1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:27.479 Anna Sannah. Some woman named Anna beat him. Fifty five 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:31.000 Rocket team rockets down the park. Where were they from? Anna, 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:33.240 that's the name of the team. Where they from? I 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:33.519 don't know? 1:25:33.840 --> 1:25:33.920 Up? 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:39.400 Anna? Ohio? Fool, don't even by Minster? Okay, got you? Okay, 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:42.679 that's up. This is the first round playoffs. Dear Park 1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:46.000 goes down hard. Then Saturday afternoon the little rock playing 1:25:46.040 --> 1:25:50.519 for the super Bowl. He goes down hard and we 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:53.920 lost against Central twenty six East Central Black. Look that 1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:56.120 they had a better team than us. They they played well, 1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:58.280 they got a look, they got a great super coaches 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:01.519 head coach. That fit's a guy named Steve Norton. About 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:03.559 your roll who took the blame of it, Well, I'm 1:26:03.560 --> 1:26:04.800 trying to tell you, I'm trying to get to this 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:08.280 defensive coordinator and that you get to it, do a 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:11.000 little bit of everything. But nonetheless, Steve Nolner a great guy, 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:13.920 great football coach. He's an older guy, which made you 1:26:14.080 --> 1:26:15.920 probably want to you probably want to jump on that 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:19.640 bandwagon tomorrow. But uh, he said, you didn't give me. 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:24.240 They played twenty twenty to six, twenty to six. That 1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:27.479 was a disaster. And Saturday night the bear Cats the 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:29.800 boar Cats, according to Andy Mack, the Utes in the 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:32.559 land of the Utes. What's it like? Forty eight to fourteen, 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:37.080 forty five? Mc hammer, get him ready. Then then Sunday 1:26:37.120 --> 1:26:40.719 afternoon at the Bacle at pay Court. That the Bacle. 1:26:40.760 --> 1:26:41.679 You should have seen your friends. 1:26:41.680 --> 1:26:41.840 It is. 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:44.439 They were five hundred and seventy four yards of offense. 1:26:45.080 --> 1:26:47.400 Is after the Bears. I mean I didn't say the 1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:49.840 eighty five Bears. I just said the Bears. These are 1:26:49.920 --> 1:26:53.439 different thes are the Midway the monsters of the Midway. Yeah. 1:26:53.520 --> 1:26:56.920 And then Sunday night you had FC and the Crew. 1:26:57.400 --> 1:26:59.840 There were twenty shots on goal by both teams total, 1:27:00.000 --> 1:27:02.840 how many were by FC one they go in the 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:07.360 net four nil, four nil, one to one. Saturday Night 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:10.880 Game three, that's where we're deer park down, Little Rock down, 1:27:11.080 --> 1:27:14.200 Rock down, both little rocks down the middle rock went 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:17.799 down to roll down A Saturday night ute land terrible 1:27:17.960 --> 1:27:21.120 Sunday afternoon the Bengals embarrassed themselves once again. Then to 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:25.000 top it all off, Sunday night FC nothing and they 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:27.559 get hammer. They're gonna lose this this weekend, I guess. 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:30.639 And they're done. So do you have any hope? Absolutely none? 1:27:31.120 --> 1:27:33.639 Say give me some sports? Will he the Stoot Reporters 1:27:33.640 --> 1:27:37.360 sprout service, every local tame Star heating and air condisiting dealers, 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:41.760 Tamestar quality you can feel in beautiful Southeastern Indiana called 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:43.880 Joe X died at X nine Heating and Gooli at 1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:47.800 eight one two nine three two twenty twenty six. I 1:27:47.880 --> 1:27:51.960 want a first round draft courts for a gimpy leg 1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:55.519 at thirty one year old. They can't play drunk. It's 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:58.280 the thing. There's there's no one else to to trade. 1:27:58.400 --> 1:28:01.000 What about the second string? Get them in this and 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:02.880 I have this picture. That's what you do. Maybe you 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:05.680 just start bringing in guys and maybe it's just going 1:28:05.760 --> 1:28:08.320 to set an example standpoint. You say, look, if you're 1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:10.479 gonna give that kind of effort and tackle that poorly. 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:14.000 We're just bringing someone else at least motivate them to 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:18.040 some I put this on myunt. What are the odds 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:20.759 of those three guys not making that tackle in that position? 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:25.439 Seem to be triangulated? And number eighty four Bob Trump's 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:27.360 number on what's the deal with the tackling rock? I 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:31.479 mean you you've been tackling. You've been tackling since you 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:34.600 were what three years old? Yes? I mean why do 1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:36.519 they always go to the Why did they go for 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:39.519 the upper body? Hit the legs? They go high, they 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:44.360 don't put their head across wrap them. They don't when 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:47.639 I played football for Gordon Vetterino. Wrap them up tight 1:28:47.800 --> 1:28:50.000 and you don't let go. At some point they're going 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:52.240 to go down they want. They bounced off that Leonard 1:28:52.280 --> 1:28:54.120 guy like he was. I could talk about this for 1:28:54.400 --> 1:28:56.320 for a long time, but I mean, first of all, 1:28:56.400 --> 1:28:58.120 it's hard to get good at anything that you really 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:02.200 can't practice. You can't practice tackling in season. Now, there's 1:29:02.240 --> 1:29:04.240 things you can do. I don't know if they're doing 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:06.360 them or not. There's some things you can do. You 1:29:06.479 --> 1:29:09.360 can have collisions. You got to have some sort of collisions, right, 1:29:09.600 --> 1:29:11.479 to have it, because that's a kind of a pretty 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:13.519 big part of tackling. Would you not agree the collisions, 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:18.560 but you can do things to minimize the collision and 1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:20.840 make it over a smaller degree of space, But you 1:29:20.880 --> 1:29:25.479 got to do it usually to some degree. Tackling you 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:27.320 kind of can do it or you can't, you know. 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:29.880 I mean, these three players had them surrounded. I will 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:31.920 say I will say this too. In my opinion, some 1:29:32.040 --> 1:29:34.120 of the issue is with so many young guys playing. 1:29:34.880 --> 1:29:37.160 Part of tackling is knowing where you're supposed to be 1:29:37.280 --> 1:29:39.439 and have confidence in that, and also knowing where your 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:41.800 help is. Right. So, if you're a young guy and 1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:44.559 you kind of don't know and boom play happens, and god, 1:29:44.600 --> 1:29:46.040 am I supposed to be in the A gap? And 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.439 if so, who's in the beat? And you don't know that, 1:29:48.640 --> 1:29:53.080 that will cause you to mistack. I have no idea 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:56.479 what you're saying. Trying to lay it out. I want 1:29:56.479 --> 1:29:57.759 you to break it down at some point. 1:29:59.120 --> 1:29:59.400 It down. 1:29:59.520 --> 1:30:02.800 What about Gordon, your buddy from UH game? What about 1:30:02.840 --> 1:30:04.920 you forget how to coach defense? They've given up three 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:07.120 hundred points so far in nine games, an all time 1:30:07.280 --> 1:30:09.400 bad record. There's that fall on the players are him. 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:12.360 Would you say we're getting out schemed? Yes, because we're 1:30:12.360 --> 1:30:14.320 getting out schemed, then you could make that case. What 1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:16.479 about selecting they were getting out schemed. I think we're 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:20.080 just not making place player I than anything I'm saying. 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:23.840 If I'm the sep for ever, if I'm the chef 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:26.559 preparing the food, I want to buy the groceries. Who's 1:30:26.600 --> 1:30:29.800 buying the groceries? Otob been there twenty five years. You 1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:33.439 can't find them with a search warrant. Right now, go ahead? 1:30:33.640 --> 1:30:38.679 The bye week is under way. Willie and Bengals. Bengals 1:30:38.720 --> 1:30:41.560 line the five. I'm talking about Gordon Veterino in the 1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:44.320 Greatest Saint Savior. There is one great thing about Saint 1:30:44.560 --> 1:30:48.240 X this past week, just one one? What dom ellis? 1:30:48.560 --> 1:30:48.760 Yes? 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:51.559 How about this? I did say twenty twenty five Ohio 1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:57.519 Athletic Association Division one state cross country. Yeah, fifteen minutes 1:30:57.600 --> 1:31:00.640 and seven seconds. You want them on? Yes, you go 1:31:00.720 --> 1:31:03.840 across country? Champ. Bring him in college. He's gonna have 1:31:03.880 --> 1:31:05.880 a future in his life. I'm like college basketball to 1:31:06.000 --> 1:31:09.000 I Bearcats in Western Carolina at six thirty? Do you 1:31:09.120 --> 1:31:11.920 like that matchup? Rock and I don't care parriston Xavier. 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:17.400 How about that forty fifty five XAVIORA and K. And 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:20.479 you see Claremont at six thirty on the project like 1:31:20.520 --> 1:31:23.720 the Claremont. What is it? What does it say? You 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:26.200 see Claremont? Haven't they won the national title? We had 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:30.639 men here once or twice? I think in uh Volleyball seven, 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:34.240 you see Claremont go ahead, an old dominion. In the 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:39.280 Miama RedHawks can't wait? Canisius and Dayton Franklin up against 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:44.799 Wright State free agent free agent Reds, free agent Reds? 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:46.360 What the guy? 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:47.320 No? 1:31:47.840 --> 1:31:50.840 How about one point three billion? The Dodgers spending four 1:31:50.880 --> 1:31:54.360 pitchers one point work and it worked? Yes, it worked? 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:57.280 Is it worth one point three billion? Tony Bender says yes. 1:31:57.840 --> 1:32:00.559 Key Brian Hayes gets his second gold glow of can 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:07.320 he hit? Uh, Nick Martinez, Emilio Pagan, Zach Lttel, Wayne Wade, Miley, 1:32:07.680 --> 1:32:13.639 Ian Jibou, Miguel Andrew Harr and Santiago Espinal all free agents. 1:32:13.720 --> 1:32:16.120 Let them all go. I don't need any of them hit. 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:19.479 Can they hit? We need guys that can hit, Guys 1:32:19.479 --> 1:32:22.519 that can hit the base the best of all time. 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:24.680 And the announcer said, when was the last time my 1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:27.920 ball got stuck in the wall. Well, Fredo hit the 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:31.679 ball on the wall in the right right, I said, hey, Fredo, 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:35.000 Cincinnati all comes back to Cincinnatis. Everything in the world 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:37.040 comes back to Cincinnati. Do you have any hope, Rock, 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:38.639 Do you have any hope? They don't play for about 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:40.640 two weeks, then they got the bad part of the 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:41.360 schedule starts. 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:41.559 Now. 1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:47.680 Yeah, now we're gonna play like Pittsburgh and then you 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:50.200 got to play Buffalo. Then you gotta play. I gave 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:51.760 you the four options of what they. 1:32:54.200 --> 1:32:54.240 Like. 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:56.680 What are the options? You're looking at his notes? There 1:32:56.720 --> 1:32:59.560 were no. I'm looking about the on CNN. But I 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:02.760 mean I'm saying they got I think they got Baltimore 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:06.439 with like within twice, within two or four weeks. Aga, 1:33:06.720 --> 1:33:10.960 I believe it's Baltimore. Someone Baltimore. They got here. Yeah, 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:15.840 they there in Thanksgiving. Unbelievable. Andy back, They're gonna they're 1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:18.920 gonna get rid of that game. Yes it is. It's 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:22.479 Buffalo sandwiched in there between two Ravens kicking the crap 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:25.160 out of the Chiefs just for fun. Lamar is back 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:29.200 and he's got an attitude. It's so scored that the 1:33:29.320 --> 1:33:33.479 final final too much time. I said, don't mine, don't 1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:38.680 do it. Pull a team. Boom boom cos the tight 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:41.680 end four hundred and seventy yards fifty four yards not good. 1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:45.160 At recovery no good. Block and field goal no good. 1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:48.400 All I can take two runs, kickoff back ninety nine 1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:51.040 yards no good. Two receivers over one hundred yards. You 1:33:51.080 --> 1:33:54.280 can say, I mean literally, did everything else that you 1:33:54.320 --> 1:33:56.479 could do to keep your team in the game and win. 1:33:57.080 --> 1:33:58.840 And now they thought they were going to lose, didn't you? 1:33:59.120 --> 1:34:01.080 At the end there I thought was somehow it was 1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:02.840 going to be. If they tackled him, they might not 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:05.320 have time to kick a field flacker like first game 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:08.160 I think with over four yards of offense in his career, 1:34:08.840 --> 1:34:10.800 he said, first time for yards passing it in my 1:34:10.920 --> 1:34:13.479 career he has like his arms like hanging off his body, 1:34:14.880 --> 1:34:16.880 and he still goes out and does that with a 1:34:16.920 --> 1:34:18.479 bunch of guys he's known for about a week and 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:21.400 a half. Not good enough? How's that possible? Only in 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:24.360 Cincinnatis as possible? What was worse? The Little Rock in 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:28.800 the Super Bowl, Matt Deer Park at Anna, the Rock 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:35.439 in the Super Bowl, bear Cats at Utah Bears in 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:38.680 one of those things and the crews just line up 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:45.519 that disaster would have held of teams would have would one. 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:49.800 But they wasn't even close. The Bengals, who knew they 1:34:49.840 --> 1:34:51.479 were going to lose. I said, if you can leave 1:34:51.479 --> 1:34:54.280 any time on the clock. Tim Higgins was brilliant against 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:58.320 Pittsburgh to go down and take the dive right, brilliant. Otherwise, 1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:00.439 if he scored that quick touchdown against It's Park, they 1:35:00.479 --> 1:35:02.240 would have gone back and scored and they would have 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:05.000 lost that one too. They're three and six, giving up 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:08.720 three hundred points, the worst performance of any defense this 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:10.760 side of the imagine no line in World War One 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:13.040 when the French didn't know what the hell they were doing. 1:35:13.600 --> 1:35:15.360 Doo any hope, Rock, I need it. Got to break 1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:16.400 it down to some point. You got the. 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:21.599 I mean that's embarrassing. I mean, you don't ever want 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:24.840 to put that many points up. You know that the 1:35:24.880 --> 1:35:26.760 teams have scored that much, or left teams rush for 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:29.360 that much whatever, you know. I mean I played on 1:35:29.479 --> 1:35:33.200 some really good defenses before, so I know what it 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:35.639 takes to be a good defense. I know what it's 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:38.800 like to be on a good defense. So yeah, I 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:39.800 mean it is embarrassing, but. 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:45.680 Left the room yesterday. They were laughing at the job 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:50.479 when you were with the Colts to No, we just 1:35:50.640 --> 1:35:52.880 how about Ivy by the way, And it wasn't that. 1:35:53.040 --> 1:35:56.360 It wasn't Derrick Henry that rushed for you know, a 1:35:56.439 --> 1:35:58.960 billion yards. It wasn't Bruce Saw. It was some guy 1:35:59.040 --> 1:36:01.719 named mona guy who career one hundred and seventy six yards, 1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:05.479 and a guy named Britton Brown who has pulled off 1:36:05.520 --> 1:36:08.040 the practice squad. In essence, he's their fourth or fifth 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:10.759 running back and he had dominated five for thirty seven 1:36:11.120 --> 1:36:13.840 as the offensive team banned the defensive team from the 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:18.160 locker room, Tony pokers start getting real ugly inside. How 1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:21.120 about the Ivy character off sides lining up? They missed 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:23.280 the field goal and then they go down and score 1:36:23.280 --> 1:36:26.200 a touchdown. That's seven points Ivy and he's laughing and snickering. 1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:30.760 He's snickering. Wrap up Joe's Burrow's toe and get let's go. 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:33.519 What Joe's got the toe he's got? Does Jamar Chase 1:36:33.640 --> 1:36:37.320 wanted Joe Burt to come back because he throws in 1:36:37.360 --> 1:36:39.599 the ball like every time Flacco does. Does he want 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:41.519 does he want Bird to come back? 1:36:41.720 --> 1:36:41.760 No? 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:45.840 And this environment, saying why play you can't win? No, 1:36:46.000 --> 1:36:48.439 I'm saying, does Jamar Chase want no Joe Bert to 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:51.560 come back? He's preaty good? Yeah to targets has like 1:36:51.760 --> 1:36:55.439 fifteen to twenty targets a game that's also not good. 1:36:55.720 --> 1:36:57.080 I don't know what to tell you. How about Trey 1:36:57.120 --> 1:36:59.439 Henderson gaining traveling for a bag of football? So what 1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:01.320 about that? To be here after fourth game? 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:04.880 I stopped doing hopes and all that stuff a long 1:37:04.960 --> 1:37:07.120 time ago. It's you are where your feet are, and 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:09.880 you know where your feet will be. Blessed to be 1:37:09.920 --> 1:37:12.120 where I am right now. You know bottom of the 1:37:12.280 --> 1:37:15.400 national football you know first to last, you know it's 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:18.400 it's it's a there's a limited amount of spots here 1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:21.479 and this is an incredible blessing. You know, sick for 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:23.240 the fans and sick for the people that you need 1:37:23.360 --> 1:37:26.479 to come and watch us, and me too. It's tough games, 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:28.760 but again, like moving forward, I think we'll make the 1:37:28.800 --> 1:37:31.840 corrections we need to and get back in the one call. 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:35.439 Don't want to compliment Mike Brown. Is he incentive ized 1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:37.240 to like come back to this mess? Does he think 1:37:37.280 --> 1:37:40.720 he's not? Why would you rehab Borrow or Hendredson or 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:42.560 any of them. Another four and ten. What do you 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:46.599 do if you're Joe Burrow and coming back unless you're 1:37:46.600 --> 1:37:50.280 worried about Flacco? Like being here and Flacco will be 1:37:50.360 --> 1:37:52.840 here next year. I'd sign him as a backup. We 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:56.439 know if he can throw football? Absolutely I hate it. 1:37:56.560 --> 1:38:01.400 He's playing better than Joe Burrow. Can I say that Rock? Can't? 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:03.679 I can't say Rock? Break it down? At some point 1:38:04.400 --> 1:38:06.160 say give me out of the student's report. By the way, 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:08.800 you have you have a bowman coming up. But yeah, 1:38:08.880 --> 1:38:11.160 Corey Bone right at at gate three o'clock. Where's the mayor? 1:38:11.280 --> 1:38:14.840 He's in a bunker under eighto one Plump Street. SEG, 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:19.080 please continue, Will we say happy seventy second anniversary today? 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:22.040 On this date in nineteen fifty one? Who was president 1:38:22.120 --> 1:38:27.120 at the Montgomery Inn opened its door today? Today? Wow? 1:38:27.600 --> 1:38:31.880 Seventy one, seventy years, seventy two years in business? And 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:34.880 who was president? Tell him? Who is president? Nineteen fifty? 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:38.400 Tell him I'm done with the president stuff. No, the 1:38:38.520 --> 1:38:41.600 was still Truman. Did you go to Coleraine? Did you 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:45.080 go to Coleraine? I had not? Seg, thank you, good 1:38:45.160 --> 1:38:47.280 luck for the rottle Rock, Thank you he's done. We 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:51.200 leave you with the immortal words of the stud Report 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:57.200 no comments. I got a Troy Blackburn can't say on 1:38:57.360 --> 1:38:58.800 seven hundred w auto