Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: He's got a Flowe show on seven hundred WLW that
Speaker 2: we got some breaking news to share with you this
Speaker 2: morning about crime in Cincinnati. Robert Shaw has now been
Speaker 2: charged in the murder with that drive by shooting. He
Speaker 2: killed a thirty four old man by the name of
Speaker 2: Justin Johnson right after Thursday night football. This is on
Speaker 2: Sycamore in front of the in Between Tavern. Happened about
Speaker 2: two am, so people are still downtown celebrating the Big
Speaker 2: Bengals when Shaw was wearing an ankle monitor at the time.
Speaker 2: Does the story sound familiar?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: And the reason why I was under a house arrest
Speaker 2: so to speak, was carried concealed weapon, illegal gun possession
Speaker 2: and here he is being held on that, being about
Speaker 2: to go and trial on that, and now he's out
Speaker 2: there doing it again. So initially he was released on
Speaker 2: a twenty thousand dollars bond with the electronic monitoring that
Speaker 2: was back in June. Also, the suspect in the Fountain
Speaker 2: Square shooting last week has turned himself in. Twenty four
Speaker 2: year old Shaquille Ferguson said it's self defense because the
Speaker 2: people that he shot at through the window of City
Speaker 2: Chicken on Fountain Square were actually armed themselves and pointing
Speaker 2: a gun at him. The only problem with that argument
Speaker 2: from Clyde Bennett is that mister Ferguson was already on
Speaker 2: probation in July for a violent crime, which means he's
Speaker 2: under disability and shouldn't have had the gun that he
Speaker 2: shot the window out and at the people to the
Speaker 2: City Bird. So we're back to this question. Is our
Speaker 2: probation and monitoring system completely broken and beyond repair? On
Speaker 2: that is the honorable Betsy Sunderman, She's a judge in
Speaker 2: Hamlin County, joining the show to discuss here on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW.
Speaker 4: How are you good morning, I'm great, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing final though you hear these stories, I'd love
Speaker 2: to not be talking about violent crime in Cincinnati. But
Speaker 2: you know, we have shoes dropping and now we know
Speaker 2: the backgrounds of the individuals and jackets on Robert Shaw
Speaker 2: and Shaquille Ferguson. You have two people yet again that
Speaker 2: should not be armed by law, and yet there they are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And if there's, if there are any issues
Speaker 4: with probation monitoring right now, it is interesting for your
Speaker 4: lists to know who is in charge of the probation officers.
Speaker 4: It's the judges. The judges hire the probation officers and
Speaker 4: make sure they're doing their jobs. So if we're having
Speaker 4: issues with probation monitoring, I mean, I haven't heard this
Speaker 4: issue before in the past. And it's interesting.
Speaker 5: Now we have a.
Speaker 4: Lot of Democrat judges who are in charge of the
Speaker 4: probation department and that seems to be the big change,
Speaker 4: and now we're not very happy with probation monitoring. So,
Speaker 4: for example, about a month ago, the Democrat majority of
Speaker 4: judges and Common Police Criminal Court decided to get rid
Speaker 4: of some of these, well all of the probation substations.
Speaker 4: So there used to be these substations in the most
Speaker 4: violent neighborhood and people who are on probation could go
Speaker 4: meet with those probation officers there, and the probation officers
Speaker 4: could set up shop there and they could visit people
Speaker 4: in their homes. But now the Democrat judges have gotten
Speaker 4: rid of those and they said, well, it's more efficient
Speaker 4: because now our probation officers can all be downtown. Well
Speaker 4: that's true, maybe it's more efficient, as far as you know,
Speaker 4: they don't have to drive places, but they're not able
Speaker 4: to monitor people.
Speaker 3: They're not in the community.
Speaker 2: So now they got it a far further to monitor
Speaker 2: the people instead of being in the neighborhood. It'd be
Speaker 2: kind of like just having one big police station district
Speaker 2: one as opposed to the multi different districts in and
Speaker 2: around Cincinnati. For cops, you put them where the people
Speaker 2: in the crimes.
Speaker 4: Are exactly, and if they're visiting people in their homes,
Speaker 4: then people are picking up more violations when the probation
Speaker 4: officers are seeing things in their home. So of course
Speaker 4: the stats are going to show a year from now
Speaker 4: that there are fewer probation violations, but that's because the
Speaker 4: monitor monitoring is going to be subpar, and as we
Speaker 4: see the monitoring get worse and worse, we're going to
Speaker 4: see people out there offending.
Speaker 5: For example.
Speaker 4: I mean, I really can't speak specifically to a case,
Speaker 4: but if there's a case where someone, for example, is
Speaker 4: on the ankle monitor but has privileges for something, sometimes
Speaker 4: it's hard to monitor those privileges. So like let's say
Speaker 4: I was on an ankle monitor and I had privileges
Speaker 4: to go to work. Well, that's easy because I work
Speaker 4: at one location and I work from the same time
Speaker 4: I start and the same time I end every day.
Speaker 4: But a lot of people don't have jobs like that.
Speaker 4: A lot of people, you know, maybe they work construction,
Speaker 4: or they work at a hospital, or they work odd hours.
Speaker 4: And how do you monitor someone when they always say, well,
Speaker 4: I was on my way to a construction job.
Speaker 2: Or in the cases this is Betsy Sunderman ferguson the
Speaker 2: Fountain Square shoot at Teddy Bird. This young man has
Speaker 2: a two cases pending for aggravated assault, both with a
Speaker 2: weapon specification. There he shot someone two days prior, allegedly
Speaker 2: in Northside before he shot the window out in Fountain
Speaker 2: Square and shout at the people there, And yet he
Speaker 2: was on probation from the other one saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: as long as you're out looking for a job, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: You turn your application at City Bird and then turn
Speaker 2: around and shoot their window out, albeit not to shoot
Speaker 2: at the bird's window, shoot the people in the bird.
Speaker 2: But still, I'm pretty sure, you know, if I'm doing
Speaker 2: the hiring that kind of behaviors frowned upon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it depends what kind of job they're
Speaker 4: trying to book, but it's unlikely that that would meet
Speaker 4: the job description.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: But by having these rules that seem really tough, but
Speaker 4: then not enforcing them properly, this is the way that
Speaker 4: the politicians can say we're combating crime but really doing nothing.
Speaker 4: For example, like the mayor and his juvenile curfew. Whenever
Speaker 4: a juvenile either shoot someone or get shot, he says,
Speaker 4: we're going to tighten up this curfew. But then if
Speaker 4: you look at the actual rules of the juvenile curfew,
Speaker 4: it says if a child is out, if someone under
Speaker 4: eighteen is out and they say that they're on their
Speaker 4: way to work or on their way home from work,
Speaker 4: you can't make them go home, or you can't violate
Speaker 4: them for the curfew. If they say that they are
Speaker 4: exercising their First Amendment rights, which could be the freedom
Speaker 4: of speech, assembly, they could freedom of the.
Speaker 5: Press, to.
Speaker 1: Church.
Speaker 2: They're on their way to church, Betsy, when they shot
Speaker 2: that person exactly.
Speaker 4: And then even if the kid says, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not I have no exception that fits, then the police
Speaker 4: all they can do is say, you know, we'd really
Speaker 4: like you to go home. And if the kid says no,
Speaker 4: Then they'd say, well, we'd really like you to go
Speaker 4: to this, uh, this rec center, and if the kid
Speaker 4: says no, they can't, they can't do anything. So it's
Speaker 4: great that the mayor's on TV saying we're tightening up
Speaker 4: this curfew. If if you're there and you're doing anything bad,
Speaker 4: we're going to arrest. But it's just not playing out
Speaker 4: like that, all right.
Speaker 2: Betsy Sunderman, Judge Sunderman is here on the show, and
Speaker 2: we're talking about probation and monitoring systems. Are they broken
Speaker 2: beyond repair? Robert Shaw, that was the man who's now
Speaker 2: been charged the drive by shooting. They killed thirty year
Speaker 2: old Justin Johnson after Thursday night football right right near
Speaker 2: the in between tavern on Thursday night Friday morning. He
Speaker 2: was already out on a lot. He was wearing the
Speaker 2: ankle monitor at the time he shot the individual in
Speaker 2: the car. Justin Johnson form what I understand. People I
Speaker 2: know knew this guy and said, yeah, he's a professional,
Speaker 2: you know, seemed to be an upstanding guy. I don't
Speaker 2: know why he and Robert Shaw got into a beef
Speaker 2: and what was over. We don't know that, but the
Speaker 2: background is not Justin Johnson is not a street criminal.
Speaker 2: He's a professional, or was a professional before he was
Speaker 2: murdered in the Shaquille Ferguson shooting a City Bird chicken.
Speaker 2: He was armed again, had priors, who's out on probation
Speaker 2: for a violent crime, and he shot the window out
Speaker 2: and trying to shoot at the people inside City Bird.
Speaker 2: His attorney, Clyd Bennett cle m self defense. We'll see
Speaker 2: about that. I'm not quite sure how that works within
Speaker 2: the law. If you're prohibited from having a weapon because
Speaker 2: you're on probation and you shoot at someone, I'm not
Speaker 2: quite sure that that is going to it's it's not
Speaker 2: like ofsetting penalties in the NFL. And then you play
Speaker 2: it over in that regard to Betsy sentiment though, And
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting in pointing out, because we've talked
Speaker 2: about the problem in its progressivism in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: That that's fueling this.
Speaker 2: It's because we want to hands off no bail policy
Speaker 2: and we want to be kindler and gentlemen people who
Speaker 2: are suspected at crimes because their life is already difficult,
Speaker 2: and well, it just gives the sociopaths out there more
Speaker 2: license to do stuff like this. I will point out, however,
Speaker 2: in both those cases in Sean Ferguson, those are both
Speaker 2: conservative Republican judges that ordered them on monitoring, and that
Speaker 2: would be Judge dink Locker and Judge Ruleman. Does that
Speaker 2: change the math a little bit on.
Speaker 4: This, Well, I'll tell you those are two of the
Speaker 4: judges who give the biggest bombs. So without being able
Speaker 4: to talk to I can't call them and ask them
Speaker 4: about the case and then talk about it on the video,
Speaker 4: right right, But I would trust that those judges would
Speaker 4: set appropriate bonds. There's a trifecta that kind of effects
Speaker 4: every time someone's upset about someone being on parole or
Speaker 4: probation and being out there and committing crimes. There's a
Speaker 4: trifecta that affects all this. There's the police, there's the
Speaker 4: probation department, and the judges. So the police are controlled by,
Speaker 4: of course the police chief, who is controlled by the
Speaker 4: city manager, who is ultimately controlled by the mayor. So
Speaker 4: the police department is controlled by the mayor. And then
Speaker 4: we have probation, which I already told you is controlled
Speaker 4: by the judges, the now liberal Democrat judges. And then
Speaker 4: we have the judges themselves, which are now a majority
Speaker 4: Democrat liberal judges, so that basically the two groups that
Speaker 4: are controlling all this is the mayor, the city manager,
Speaker 4: the city administration, and the liberal judges. So if we're
Speaker 4: seeing a big change, those are the big changes. Of course,
Speaker 4: we've had a Democrat mayor for probably fifty years, right,
Speaker 4: but the way the mayor is affecting the police department
Speaker 4: is different than ever before. And then all having a
Speaker 4: majority liberal, progressive Democrat judges is new for us in
Speaker 4: Hamilton County.
Speaker 2: Look look look at it, and a lot of look at
Speaker 2: how the mayor's office impacted the brawl, and that he
Speaker 2: was demanding that the white guy be charged because he's
Speaker 2: a white guy and we've got to balance things out racially. Apparently,
Speaker 2: if yourest a personal caller, you got aggressed a white guy,
Speaker 2: even though he was the victim. Clearly this whole thing,
Speaker 2: and no one wanted to write that citation and unfortunately
Speaker 2: made a captain down at the Central Business dictor to
Speaker 2: it who wasn't even on the scene. To show you
Speaker 2: how politically motivated those charges were. Just to appease the
Speaker 2: vocal contingent of folks in the community who were screaming
Speaker 2: about restorative justice, which is which is a farce. But
Speaker 2: relative to Robert Shaw, I don't know. This may be
Speaker 2: a tough question you can eat answer to you can.
Speaker 2: I understand you have a canon of ethics you have
Speaker 2: to abide by. You can't criticize other judges. But in
Speaker 2: the shawcase, this is a drive by from Thursday night
Speaker 2: football in from of the in Between that was under
Speaker 2: Judge Dinkelocker. The guy Robert Shaw was on a twenty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars bond with electronic monitoring and this was from
Speaker 2: a case back in June. His jacket is this nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety eight six months in prison for coke possession, two
Speaker 2: thousand and three six months for concealed weapon, illegal guns,
Speaker 2: receiving spilling Property RSP, and then twenty eleven and then
Speaker 2: again in twenty fifteen he did prison time for a
Speaker 2: llegal gun possession. He got twenty thousand dollars bond, an
Speaker 2: electronic monitoring out and murdered someone while he was wearing
Speaker 2: the ankle monitor. What would you prescribe what would you
Speaker 2: prescribe as a punishment for Robert Shaw? If we're in
Speaker 2: front of you, let's say, and he was already out
Speaker 2: on bond for another shooting. How many more times do
Speaker 2: you give someone a chance to get out on bond
Speaker 2: even though they have priors involving a weapon, because it
Speaker 2: tells me they're probably just going to do something with
Speaker 2: a gun.
Speaker 4: Again, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: What do you?
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you do with someone who clearly
Speaker 4: is never going to put down a gun?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: I mean, this guy, it sounds like he's been in
Speaker 4: prison quite a few times for having guns. He just
Speaker 4: keeps he just keeps picking up a gun, right. I mean, again,
Speaker 4: I can't speak to this exact case, but I do
Speaker 4: trust judge take a locker and if he set that bond,
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I can't
Speaker 4: really speak to a specific case.
Speaker 3: Well what were you? What would you done?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: Again, you have the hindsight that this guy's going to
Speaker 2: murder someone over apparently it's just a beef. It doesn't
Speaker 2: look like they knew each other at this point. We'll
Speaker 2: find out. But what And you can't look in the
Speaker 2: crystal ball and say, well, he's going to go out
Speaker 2: and murder someone. You don't know that because there are
Speaker 2: probably countless people are in the situations that going down
Speaker 2: and do it. But we're talking about stopping this from
Speaker 2: happening in the first place. Should we just say, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: you already had a gun. Speck you go right to
Speaker 2: You're going to hold you and you're not going to
Speaker 2: get out, and you're not going to be able to
Speaker 2: walk around. And you decide to do something stupid with
Speaker 2: a gun and you shouldn't have a gun. You're going
Speaker 2: to sit in jail until your trial.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I would want to look at
Speaker 4: his pre trial services sheet. So every single person who's
Speaker 4: arrested and put into the jail and has an arraignment
Speaker 4: the next morning in front of a judge, a municipal
Speaker 4: judge and pre trial services interviews the person and sees
Speaker 4: if they're a flight risk, sees how much money they
Speaker 4: could afford for a bond. They ask them a million
Speaker 4: different questions about drugs and guns and family members and
Speaker 4: community ties and do they have a job, that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. And the judge is able to look at
Speaker 4: that sheet. The prosecutor is not able to look at
Speaker 4: that sheet. I know that because I used to work
Speaker 4: in that courtroom. One thing that we could do is
Speaker 4: we could give everyone access to that information that might
Speaker 4: be very helpful. I'm sure some of the new prosecutors
Speaker 4: have different strategies than when I was a prosecutor there
Speaker 4: because now they have a different boss.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, giving everyone maximum information and maybe giving the
Speaker 4: media more information. I know the media doesn't see those
Speaker 4: pre trial services sheets. I'm not saying those should be
Speaker 4: turned over to the media, but usually that docket is
Speaker 4: very rapid, and the media kind of leaves confused, like, well,
Speaker 4: why did one person get a low bond and one
Speaker 4: person get a high bond? Right, So maybe making some
Speaker 4: of that more accessible.
Speaker 2: Why isn't I shared with the prosecutor if anyone else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It's a good question.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I should know that, but then it should be shared
Speaker 4: with the defense attorney. If you can't share something just
Speaker 4: with the prosecutor and not the defense attorney discovery, I
Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe there's no time. I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: very quick docket. I mean, it's probably not as quick
Speaker 4: as it used to be because we not as many
Speaker 4: people are arrested because there aren't that many people in
Speaker 4: our jail anymore.
Speaker 2: But well, I remember, was it long ago under Sheriff
Speaker 2: Simon LEAs, and I know he's revered in this community.
Speaker 2: I think there's something he did was way overreaching. I mean,
Speaker 2: like you know, but he was tough on crime for sure.
Speaker 2: And I remember having discussions about we need a bigger jail,
Speaker 2: we need more jail space because we can't house all
Speaker 2: the people. You don't hear that conversation anymore, and that was, like,
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, it's because
Speaker 2: we're not holding people anymore.
Speaker 4: Right, twenty years ago, sy Lease used to meet with
Speaker 4: all the judges and say, listen, we are bursting at
Speaker 4: the themes. I'm going to have to create some new
Speaker 4: work details and things so we can let the least
Speaker 4: violent people out earlier. And the judges would respond, you know,
Speaker 4: do what you need to do. We're going to do
Speaker 4: what we need to do. You know, we're not going
Speaker 4: to change our sentences. But you know, if you don't
Speaker 4: have room, you got to do what you need to do.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that conversation is happening now where the
Speaker 4: sheriff is saying we don't.
Speaker 5: Have any room. I never hear it, right, But even if.
Speaker 4: We did try to arrest another two hundred people to
Speaker 4: fill up the jail. We don't have sheriff's deputies, we
Speaker 4: don't have enough corrections officers. Police officers have told me
Speaker 4: when they arrest juveniles now and they bring them to
Speaker 4: juvenile jail at twenty twenty, we call it twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Auburn Avenue that most often twenty twenty just says we're
Speaker 4: not going to keep them. We just don't have enough employees.
Speaker 5: We just can't keep them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I don't know. Is it a policy issue?
Speaker 4: Is it a staffing issue. Is it people are vilifying
Speaker 4: police correction officers and then no one wants to do it,
Speaker 4: and then that's fulfilled the plan to be understaffed and
Speaker 4: to not be able to lock people up.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If you look at the climate and CPD right now,
Speaker 2: we've got a huge number of officers retiring, even at early ages,
Speaker 2: because they can't stand all the politics and the bs
Speaker 2: and what the mayor's office and how much control they
Speaker 2: have and how their hands are tied in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases. And they go to a suburban office or
Speaker 2: trying to do a little recruiting, and I understand it's
Speaker 2: difficult because people go well the money's good, but you
Speaker 2: know what, on the job in Cincinnati, I'd rather stay
Speaker 2: where I am. It's not attractive to them because the
Speaker 2: climate created by the political ecosystem in Hamlin County, but
Speaker 2: specifically in the city of Cincinnati. She is a judge,
Speaker 2: Betsy Senderman, who's running for office this cycle. Will know
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks if she wins. But it's
Speaker 2: it's a tough job. But we've got to reform this
Speaker 2: system because ankle monitor the grant and there are probably
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of people out there that abide by
Speaker 2: the terms of the deal they made with the judge
Speaker 2: and are trying to do the right thing. But how
Speaker 2: do we segregate the most violent people? And I'd say,
Speaker 2: if you have a gun specification history of priors with
Speaker 2: guns like this Robert schaugu I did, then I don't
Speaker 2: understand why we're giving you house arrest essentially because chances
Speaker 2: are you're going to break it. I think, if it's
Speaker 2: a gun speck, we already have laws in the books.
Speaker 2: Let's enforce federal law that if you're prohibited because of
Speaker 2: a felony prior felony from owning a firearm possessing a firearm.
Speaker 2: Then you go to jail right away and there is
Speaker 2: no release, there is no ankle monitoring going on, because
Speaker 2: you're a menace to society. Betsy Siderman, I always appreciate
Speaker 2: the time and the insight. Thanks again.
Speaker 5: You have a wonderful day, Judge Clown, I like it.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going back to school. You ain't gonna
Speaker 2: get me there. Hell no, I'm not taking out more
Speaker 2: student loans. I'm I'm on the wrong side of fifty
Speaker 2: and I just finished paying mine off.
Speaker 3: Bets Yah the.
Speaker 5: Best, Take care, see you later.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: We got a news update coming in momentarily and we'll
Speaker 2: chop it up next about what you just shared here.
Speaker 2: Surprise surprise, guys out on ankle monitors and house arrest
Speaker 2: and they're out shooting people.
Speaker 3: This is what this is. This is the government we
Speaker 3: deserve because we elected them. Seven hundred w well them,
Speaker 3: Scott flu Shows seven hundred w al them.
Speaker 2: So I'm coming off of this foot surgery thing with
Speaker 2: my ruptured perineal tendon that they had to sew back
Speaker 2: to my foot. I've been barely walking around motion somewhere
Speaker 2: on that because I'm stupid that's why, why why wohl't
Speaker 2: you get that fixed?
Speaker 1: Right? It?
Speaker 3: Because I'm dumb. Pain is my business. I embraced pain
Speaker 3: like a second cup of coffee. Just dumb is what
Speaker 3: it is. So I got the boot out. I've got
Speaker 3: the walking with that scooter. You put your knee on,
Speaker 3: your roll around. It's got a little basket on the
Speaker 3: front of it. Could put bourbon and snacks in there.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then the you know, the walking booth, the soft
Speaker 2: cast and then crutches of course too, and so anything
Speaker 2: takes a lot longer to run down the hall the
Speaker 2: second to grab something I've forgotten, Like, I just can't
Speaker 2: walk there. I have to hobble there, tiny Tim on
Speaker 2: his crutches. And uh, you know, of all the great
Speaker 2: medical advances we've had, and we have medical advances coming
Speaker 2: out day to day. I mean, it's incredible. I always
Speaker 2: make fun of the you know, the prescription ads on TV.
Speaker 2: A bunch of fat, happy people dancing around at a
Speaker 2: flea market somewhere outdoor festivals, singing about something or another.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's making them so happy enough to sing,
Speaker 2: whatever illness it is they have. I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but they seem rather happy. And whatever it is they're
Speaker 2: trying to sell you to ask your doctor about. You
Speaker 2: have no idea what it does, what it's for. But
Speaker 2: damn it, I gotta write that down because the jingle's catchy,
Speaker 2: and those people that are dancing look very happy. I
Speaker 2: need me some happy joy juice, if you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So we have all these modern miracle all
Speaker 2: these inventions. Now you're fat, We've got GLP one. Now
Speaker 2: get an injection thirty five pounds. Like it's nothing, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Great?
Speaker 2: Technology solves everything? But there's one area that we have
Speaker 2: not addressed. Where's one area that seems to be like this,
Speaker 2: somebody can make billions of dollars. They came up with
Speaker 2: an alternative to crutches. Crutches have been around forever the
Speaker 2: Civil War veterans. You know you got you gotta a
Speaker 2: scratch air in your leg and one of that doctor
Speaker 2: comes in and cuts your leg off. As there's all
Speaker 2: you don't want the gang green. That's really bad. We're
Speaker 2: gonna cut your leg off. Here, bite this bullet and
Speaker 2: we're gonna cut your leg off with no anesthetic whatsoever. Okay, um,
Speaker 2: it's still the same technology. It still something goes into
Speaker 2: your armpit helps you walk. Like all these years, you
Speaker 2: think they would have come up with an alternative, a
Speaker 2: better solution than crutches. And the crutch that I have,
Speaker 2: it's aluminum. It's got a little rubbery thing at the
Speaker 2: top and a grap certainly like the wooden ones they
Speaker 2: had handed out back during the Civil War. But it's
Speaker 2: the same design. And I don't care how much foam
Speaker 2: you put under your armpit. It your armpits wearing a mire.
Speaker 2: I've worn up by any of that armpit replacement at
Speaker 2: this point, and it's only been five weeks. But there
Speaker 2: is something that really needs to be reimagined and rediscovered.
Speaker 2: And I know we have walkers now, and there's the
Speaker 2: canes with the tripod with the tennis balls on it. Man,
Speaker 2: it's still a cane.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: And I have you have one of those knee scooters
Speaker 2: you rolled on ane scooter, but the knee scooter. I'm
Speaker 2: driving myself now and I got to take my boot
Speaker 2: off getting the car, and it's getting the scooter out.
Speaker 2: I barely get the crutches out let alone. A fifty
Speaker 2: pound scooter. It's nice, it's just not portable. It's just
Speaker 2: not easy. There's got to be a better Somebody need
Speaker 2: to be working on that. If you want to make
Speaker 2: a lot of money. DME is a categor or a
Speaker 2: durable medical equipment because the up charge with the chargers
Speaker 2: things a small fortune. But the crutch has been around
Speaker 2: for hundreds of years. That's something that somebody needs to
Speaker 2: look at and go, can we make a better version
Speaker 2: of Can we do something to make it easier unless
Speaker 2: wear and tearing your armpits and your wrists than the
Speaker 2: good old crutch? Just some low hanging fruit there for
Speaker 2: somebody who is aggressive and smart and an engineer type.
Speaker 2: You want to make some money, think about redoing the
Speaker 2: crutch the crutch. I just had the honorable Betsy Sunderman
Speaker 2: on the show on seven hundred WLW the latest on
Speaker 2: the downtown violence. And you know it wouldn't be a
Speaker 2: Monday if we didn't wake up and talk about more
Speaker 2: downtown violence. In the two cases in particular here Robert
Speaker 2: Shaw the one charge in the drive by shooting that
Speaker 2: killed a thirty four old man by the name of
Speaker 2: Justin Johnson right after Thursday night football on Sycamore Street
Speaker 2: by the way near the in between. I guess that
Speaker 2: would be this guy was wearing an ankle monitor and
Speaker 2: an ankle monitor out on twenty thousand dollars bond, by
Speaker 2: the way, because he was carrying concealed weapon and illegal
Speaker 2: gun possession. The shooting at Fountain Square involving twenty year
Speaker 2: old Shaquille Ferguson, this is the thick guy who fired
Speaker 2: the shots into the window of Ceedybird Chicken now claims
Speaker 2: it was He's turned himself in by the way at
Speaker 2: the behest to Clyde Bennett, his attorney, and Clyde Bennett
Speaker 2: is pulling the it was self defense. The people who
Speaker 2: shot through the window of Ceedybird Chicken were actually armed
Speaker 2: and pointing a gun at him.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 2: The video hasn't be released because it's part of a
Speaker 2: political cover up.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to hear this.
Speaker 2: Now other things in Cincinnati, the way progressive politics are,
Speaker 2: is it the one that you wouldn't release that video?
Speaker 2: Why to make this guy look bad, to advance the
Speaker 2: narrative that violence is running rampant in downtown and Fountain Square.
Speaker 2: Now you do the exact opposite. It doesn't make much sense.
Speaker 2: And not only that, I don't know how you can
Speaker 2: get away with a self defense argument when in fact
Speaker 2: your client is in possession of a gun he shouldn't
Speaker 2: had in the first place because he was on probation
Speaker 2: in July for a violent crime. So I think the
Speaker 2: bigger question, in addition to the fact that the two
Speaker 2: judges in the Shaw and the Ferguson case are both
Speaker 2: Republicans and dinkele locker enrollment, is that the system itself
Speaker 2: is broken. It doesn't work because if you can say
Speaker 2: I'm going to go find a job, I'm going to
Speaker 2: do this, I'm going to report to my probation officer.
Speaker 2: And we've seen countless people, countless people who marchai Black.
Speaker 2: For example, with the murder of Patrick Herringer, you know,
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been out and airy was community control, cut
Speaker 2: the ankle monitor off, we got a murder, and it's
Speaker 2: been a steady drum beat to that all summer. I
Speaker 2: was doing a little bit more looking in research and
Speaker 2: in some states they've actually addressed this issue. In some
Speaker 2: states now in areas actually they're cracking down and saying,
Speaker 2: you know what, we got to get tougher when it
Speaker 2: comes to people who violate while wearing ankle monitor or
Speaker 2: make it tougher for someone to qualify to wear the
Speaker 2: ankle monitor. If you look at the grand scheme, the
Speaker 2: number of people who are on quote unquote house arrest
Speaker 2: in Hamlin County, it's in the tens of thousands. But
Speaker 2: in that regard that it's just a few of them
Speaker 2: who are violating and getting out and committing more crimes
Speaker 2: while they're allegedly on house arrest. So that's not lost
Speaker 2: on me, but there is. And these aren't exactly conservative
Speaker 2: hotbeds either. Washington, d C. New Mexico, Florida is one
Speaker 2: of them. Florida implemented stricter criteria for pre trial detention.
Speaker 2: I think the one that to me carries a lot
Speaker 2: of weight here and looking at what's going on in Florida,
Speaker 2: for example, that it's a house build that I don't
Speaker 2: know it's past yet. But anyway, if you're in being
Speaker 2: held for a dangerous crime for first degree fela in
Speaker 2: his heart, which should be capital murder, life felonies, dangerous crimes,
Speaker 2: things like that, if you're arrested for a dangerous crime,
Speaker 2: that's a capital felony, life felony of first degree felony.
Speaker 2: The state has to follow motion for pro prile detention,
Speaker 2: and so the court has to find what they call
Speaker 2: substantial probability that they committed the offense, and not only
Speaker 2: he said, she said, but pretty clear evidence this person
Speaker 2: is the right person. And if that's the case, you
Speaker 2: get no release whatsoever because of well, what we're talking
Speaker 2: about here. You can't have non monetary release, which is
Speaker 2: the no Bell thing, but the discretion about electronic monitoring.
Speaker 2: You have to have monetary bonds. You have to have
Speaker 2: a lot of cash but down which most of them
Speaker 2: can't afford. So it's a strict one. It mandates detention
Speaker 2: for serious crimes and eliminates the option of cash. No
Speaker 2: cash bail eliminates that. I think that's a step in
Speaker 2: the right direction. I think that's something we need here
Speaker 2: in Ohio and specifically Cincinnati. Address what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: I can't speak for Cleveland and Columbus and other cities.
Speaker 2: I can speak for Cincinnati. And the idea is that
Speaker 2: these people who are arrested and have long histories. Is
Speaker 2: the case of mister Shaw, which is the guy who
Speaker 2: murdered the person on Thursday night football. After Thursday night Football,
Speaker 2: the in between sitting in his car. Is this guy
Speaker 2: had a lot of priors, you know, six months for
Speaker 2: cocaine back in the nineties, in two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: six months for a concealed weapon and illegal gun possession
Speaker 2: because of the cocaine would prohibit him from having or
Speaker 2: looking at or thinking about a gun at any time
Speaker 2: in his life. And then in twenty eleven and twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen he did more time for a legal gun possession.
Speaker 2: You got the coke possession, You went to prison for that,
Speaker 2: then he got out, and then within a few months
Speaker 2: of that, you had to conceal weapon on you, okay,
Speaker 2: and then you did time for that, and he got out,
Speaker 2: and a few years went by, and then within four
Speaker 2: year period you did it twice.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: To me, if you had three priors where you had
Speaker 2: a weapon under distability, why the hell are we giving
Speaker 2: anyone who is like that, even if it's a high
Speaker 2: bond electronic monitoring in the first place, It just to me,
Speaker 2: they seem extremely dangerous.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I understand right to a speedy trial, and I get that,
Speaker 2: but maybe making the bond about higher I don't know
Speaker 2: if that would have stopped anything, but probably not. Hell,
Speaker 2: it tells me a lot. When you are you have
Speaker 2: the ankle monitor on you, you're not even cutting it off.
Speaker 2: You're out there shooting people while you got the ankle
Speaker 2: monitor on. Not particularly bright. It's going to send you
Speaker 2: back to prey, isn't but probably back to prison for
Speaker 2: a few years ago, back out, and you know what,
Speaker 2: you'll do it again. It's like Joe Peshian Casino, I'm
Speaker 2: stupid that way. Prison is my business. Apparently business is good.
Speaker 2: I guess other states like New Mexico and in Washington
Speaker 2: do things similar to this, not as extremist is in Florida,
Speaker 2: but you can make a case look at that, going
Speaker 2: why are we releasing these people who have have gun priors?
Speaker 2: And then you hear folks like my friend Anna Alby
Speaker 2: who was on last week talking about how we need
Speaker 2: stricter gun la we need tougher gun laws.
Speaker 3: No, we don't.
Speaker 2: If I'm sorry, If you got busted for distributing cocaine,
Speaker 2: possession with an intent to distribute, distributing cocaine, you go
Speaker 2: to prison for that, that's felling, which means a lot
Speaker 2: of things, but primarily the big one is you're not
Speaker 2: allowed to have a gun in your possession. Okay, it
Speaker 2: ends right there. There's no I'm sorry, there's what tougher
Speaker 2: gun law do you need?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: The bad guys, if you're convicted of felony, you can't
Speaker 2: have a gun, And we have countless people as a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, all the people just about it. I
Speaker 2: think all of the people that we've talked about involving
Speaker 2: these crimes that have given Fountain Square in particularly the
Speaker 2: Central Business District and Cincinnati black eye, all of them,
Speaker 2: I don't think, without exception, have had prior felonies that
Speaker 2: would prohibit them from possessing a firearm. That seems like
Speaker 2: a pretty tough law. Making more laws isn't going to
Speaker 2: stop that. We have a law that says, well, you're
Speaker 2: on house arrest and you're out on bond, you can't
Speaker 2: do the things you're doing. And yet people with the
Speaker 2: monitor on are killing people. That's a pretty strict control.
Speaker 2: I would think, I don't care what the court says.
Speaker 2: I don't care what I signed my life away, and
Speaker 2: I don't care that I struck a deal. I don't care.
Speaker 2: All I care is about immediate gratification. And God only knows.
Speaker 2: Because we're starting to hear more and more come out
Speaker 2: about the thirty four year old man who is murdered
Speaker 2: on Thursday, well Friday morning, Thursday night, right after football
Speaker 2: and Sycamore. And this guy, I guess is a professional
Speaker 2: in some capacity. It wasn't like he was another street thug,
Speaker 2: probably with what happened with Shaquille Ferguson City Bird, that
Speaker 2: he saw other street thugs out there, and they street
Speaker 2: thugs kill each other. You want to kill each other,
Speaker 2: do it in an area where there's no one around, don't
Speaker 2: do it on Fountain Square. But in the case of
Speaker 2: mister Shaw, Robert Shaw, I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: a beef that spilled over from during the game or
Speaker 2: maybe the in between or parking our argument of our
Speaker 2: stupid stuff. But that's the problem with this is you
Speaker 2: get an argument with someone you don't know if their sociopaths,
Speaker 2: they're gonna pull out and gun and kill you over
Speaker 2: a parking spot or dispute or dirty look or something
Speaker 2: that was misinterpreted or whatever it might be. You know,
Speaker 2: the whole I was disrespected. I get to disrespected daily.
Speaker 2: That's called being an adults. Full of indiscretions and of
Speaker 2: course and things that just bring you down a few notches.
Speaker 2: That happened to you every day. It's called humility. Settling
Speaker 2: that with a firearm is part of the big problem.
Speaker 2: But that's what happened with Robert Shaw anyway, So we'll
Speaker 2: find out the details of that case. It comes a
Speaker 2: little bit more forward Scott's Loan show here on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW been talking a lot about healthcare. Brad Winstrip,
Speaker 2: of course, served in Congress. He is a physician. We
Speaker 2: got to talk to you about this. I've talked for
Speaker 2: a while about how I disagree with the plan the
Speaker 2: Democrats plan for healthcare is, well, we'll just take more
Speaker 2: hard earned taxpayer of dollars and subsidize the unaffordable healthcare
Speaker 2: and call it the Affordable Care Act. That's not really
Speaker 2: a solution. That's a band aid. I think we can
Speaker 2: all commut that. And when you put in that context,
Speaker 2: which is accurate, it's a band aid, Like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that. I also get the fact that the
Speaker 2: people who not all, but most of them are going
Speaker 2: to get squeezed on this are folks who can't afford healthcare.
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden you look at it and go,
Speaker 2: we're an open enrollment season, and now I may not
Speaker 2: wind up getting those subsidies. And how am I going
Speaker 2: to afford healthcare? I've got a wife, I got a kid,
Speaker 2: I worked two three jobs, none of them off for healthcare.
Speaker 2: I got to buy it on the market. How am
Speaker 2: I going to afford that? I can't afford that? And
Speaker 2: that's a real scare for people. That's the reality of it. Now,
Speaker 2: then you know the politics aside. We've got a broken system.
Speaker 2: This is this makes it worse because we just continue
Speaker 2: to bankrupt America because we're as you know, every time
Speaker 2: you said said I something, it doesn't make it cheaper
Speaker 2: or affordable. It masks the costs and makes it more inaccessible.
Speaker 2: It drives a deficit up and costs more. College should
Speaker 2: be a great parallel to that. College should be relatively cheap.
Speaker 2: It's all of the incentives and carabouts and seticides and
Speaker 2: grants and money and funny and the federal governments involved.
Speaker 2: We've got to make it more affordable. And the more
Speaker 2: Democrats scream about college not being affordable and out of reach,
Speaker 2: and we've got to do something about it.
Speaker 3: We got to aleviate debt. Well, someone picks up the
Speaker 3: tab for that. Debt.
Speaker 2: Probably a lot of the people who can't afford healthcare
Speaker 2: go well, I have no choice. My taxes are there,
Speaker 2: and I have to pay taxes, and that's going to
Speaker 2: go to fund student debt relief. Student loans cost so
Speaker 2: much money. College is too expensive because it's inflated by subsidy,
Speaker 2: just like healthcare and a lot of other things in America.
Speaker 2: There's the core of the problem. Subsidy is what drives
Speaker 2: the cost up, makes it harder, makes compliance harder because
Speaker 2: of government rules and agencies. And you've got to hire
Speaker 2: as a physician a bunch of people behind the scenes
Speaker 2: just to work with Medicare, Medicaid and the insurance company
Speaker 2: is another factor. It's a night for folks. How do
Speaker 2: we fix that system? Well, I know what Democrats are doing.
Speaker 2: What are Republicans offer? And I said for a long
Speaker 2: time Democrats, I don't think it's a plan.
Speaker 3: I think it's a patch. But at least it's something.
Speaker 2: And it's the only issue when you pull Americans that
Speaker 2: has a higher favorability than the Republicans do on that.
Speaker 2: Everything else, Democrats are underwater. Mean think Republicans got problems.
Speaker 2: Democrats got some real problems. They don't have any answers,
Speaker 2: they have no standard. They're directionalists, they're twisted in the wind.
Speaker 2: They've got one thing, and it's healthcare, which is why
Speaker 2: the government shut down. Could shut it down over a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of different things, but healthcare is one issue
Speaker 2: that most Americans, majority Americans, go, Yeah, Democrats got a
Speaker 2: better idea, which is really not a better, it's just
Speaker 2: an idea.
Speaker 3: It's a patch.
Speaker 2: And then that regard, I don't see Republicans happen much,
Speaker 2: if anything. But what are Republicans have to offer? I've
Speaker 2: been saying that for a while. Brad Winsterp was listening.
Speaker 2: He said, you know what, we've got the plan here.
Speaker 2: Let me share with you what the GOP thinks is
Speaker 2: the path forward. And I'll hear that coming up in
Speaker 2: just a few minutes here in the show. On seven
Speaker 2: hundred doublew on a beautiful Monday mornings, we get back
Speaker 2: at a heavy rain yesterday and wind, my god, the
Speaker 2: wind was crazy yesterday. It was like Wizard of Oz
Speaker 2: like the flags were completely bending in the breeze. We
Speaker 2: got tons of rain, which we desperately needed, and now
Speaker 2: we get a few days of drier air. But the
Speaker 2: cold air has moved in. We have gone from summer
Speaker 2: to officially winter here in Cincinnati. When you got out
Speaker 2: in the morning and go, man, I can see my breath.
Speaker 2: And just the other day there was steam rising up
Speaker 2: from the rising rough from the pavement because of the heat.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that's that sinsy. You don't like the weather,
Speaker 2: Hang out a couple of days. It's going to change,
Speaker 2: probably in a couple hours for that matter. So more
Speaker 2: of that cold part as we head towards fall, late fall,
Speaker 2: and then winter. We'll be here before you know it.
Speaker 2: So it's a Monday morning on a Scott's Loan show
Speaker 2: on seven hundred w WELW at five, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
Speaker 2: eight hundred the Big One talk back on the Art
Speaker 2: radio app here till noon and then a Willie takes over.
Speaker 2: Not sure what he has yet today, but we got
Speaker 2: lots of stuff to cover. As I said, brad winstrips
Speaker 2: on the way next, it's also a mental health Monday
Speaker 2: with Juliettas share at the bottom of the next hour.
Speaker 2: Hang on for more slowly on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American idiot? Flow me?
Speaker 2: On seven hundred WLW Welcome back. It's day nineteen of
Speaker 2: the government checkdown. We've nineteen today and when Senators returned
Speaker 2: to Camp holl by the way today, we're all informed,
Speaker 2: including staffers last week, they're not going to get their
Speaker 2: October twentieth paychecks.
Speaker 3: So no paychecks.
Speaker 2: Today, and I can be paid for the remainder of
Speaker 2: the shutdown on the I guess fixing this whole thing
Speaker 2: in the deep seated political but most I think they're
Speaker 2: right in this thing.
Speaker 3: That's frustrating.
Speaker 2: Greg Landsman chimed it on this making hay and saying,
Speaker 2: some nearly eighty percent of Americans Democrats, Republicans independence want
Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act tax credits extended. That's what this
Speaker 2: is all about. So you know DEM's want more the same,
Speaker 2: more subsidies. But I've a questioned for all, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: we know what Democrats want and it's not sustainable.
Speaker 3: What do Republicans want?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question, and on that is former
Speaker 2: US Representative brad Winstrip Welcome back.
Speaker 3: How are you.
Speaker 7: I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay.
Speaker 3: I'd be with you.
Speaker 2: All right, it's Monday that it takes a while for
Speaker 2: the tongue to get going here. I have the thoughts.
Speaker 2: It's trying to articulate them on a Monday morning. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: the GOP pushes a narrative I'm stamped about and right
Speaker 2: now it's about okay, illegal aliens and wow, this is
Speaker 2: about fattening insurers, which is which is true? I mean,
Speaker 2: you know this is going to make insurers a lot
Speaker 2: more rich. But the takeaway for most people, Brad as
Speaker 2: simple as a practitioner, doctor yourself. Millions of Americans are
Speaker 2: going to have to pay a lot more for their
Speaker 2: healthcare if Congress doesn't act. You know, we're an open
Speaker 2: enrollment right now. Annual healthcare costs in the US are
Speaker 2: about thirteen four hundred dollars per person on estimate. Working
Speaker 2: people just simply can't afford that. And I get that
Speaker 2: the idea of taking money from Pile A and moving
Speaker 2: to Pile B, it doesn't make things affordable. It makes
Speaker 2: it more expensive. It's just someone else's paying for it,
Speaker 2: that's the problem. But that's something, and I think something
Speaker 2: that working people can hang their hat on. What are
Speaker 2: the Republicans offer? I need, we need a plan?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I mean, first of all, you're asking a
Speaker 7: lot of the taxpayers. It's not like this money's just
Speaker 7: out there and going, oh, here you go. And you're
Speaker 7: right about the part where the insurance companies are the
Speaker 7: ones that are benefiting because with the Affordable Care Act,
Speaker 7: you have so many things that are mandated in the
Speaker 7: coverage and therefore it costs more and then they jack
Speaker 7: up the price. But you know what actually was done
Speaker 7: is money that was taken from the savings supposedly from
Speaker 7: reducing the cost of drugs under Medicare by negotiation quote unquote.
Speaker 7: That savings was then gone to subsidies for the Affordable
Speaker 7: Care Act. None of this makes any sense. We have
Speaker 7: a bigger problem when it comes to healthcare. And when
Speaker 7: we talk about it in Washington and Washington you mentioned healthcare,
Speaker 7: and everybody immediately start to talk about Medicare, Medicaid, the
Speaker 7: Affordable Care Act and Blue Cross, Blue Shield, etc. Etc.
Speaker 7: But they really don't talk about health. Do you really
Speaker 7: hear anybody talking about health or they just talking about
Speaker 7: a plan? And you know, so what Republicans had done
Speaker 7: we put together what was called the Healthy Futures Task Force.
Speaker 7: Our doctors is put together program we called the Healthiest
Speaker 7: Nation on the Planet and this is before make America
Speaker 7: healthy again. And you know, to me, it's a national
Speaker 7: security issue for one thing, because we need to be
Speaker 7: a healthier nation if we're going to be a strong,
Speaker 7: strong nation. But you know, we don't put any value
Speaker 7: on the healthy human life. And this is what we
Speaker 7: are talking about, and this is what I think we
Speaker 7: need to do. We put the patient pers and you
Speaker 7: have to start young. You have to start educating people.
Speaker 7: Everyone knows there's an obesity problem in this country. Why
Speaker 7: is that? I mean a friend of mine who started
Speaker 7: the soup, she goes into schools and she says, kids
Speaker 7: don't even know what a vegetable is. What about the
Speaker 7: President's physical Fitness program? Where did that go since I
Speaker 7: was a kid? It is important, and we can do
Speaker 7: that and accommodate those with disabilities. And look, I'm grateful
Speaker 7: to live in a country that has safety nets for people.
Speaker 7: I think that is really important, such as Medicaid, Medicare.
Speaker 7: There's safety nets for us overall. But we shouldn't be
Speaker 7: bragging about putting more people into what is the government
Speaker 7: program safety net. We should be bragging when fewer people
Speaker 7: need it, because then they may have good insurance and
Speaker 7: there's a lot of things that go along with that
Speaker 7: that we want. We want to reward prevention, we want
Speaker 7: to increase education. We want early diagnosis of things and
Speaker 7: so that people have access to physicians that can make
Speaker 7: an early diagnosis. We have a physician shortage and we
Speaker 7: need to increase those that are graduating in medical school,
Speaker 7: and we need more Marcus Welbys by the way, And
Speaker 7: you know, we've got a system in place today that
Speaker 7: it's becoming all hospital based and controlled under that way,
Speaker 7: rather than the guy who's just down the street that
Speaker 7: will take care of you and knows you. So these
Speaker 7: are the things that we're for. And you know, I
Speaker 7: like home care, I like telehealth. I don't want it abused.
Speaker 7: I want it to be good. Where's transparency in medicine?
Speaker 7: You know, people are going into surgery. I have my
Speaker 7: patients say, you just had surgery, right, you know how
Speaker 7: much is is going to cost? Well, the insurance company
Speaker 7: often to say, well, we'll let you know after you
Speaker 7: have it. And it's like, well, this is what I'm
Speaker 7: going to do. Why can't you tell the patient how
Speaker 7: mu's going to it's going to cost them? These are
Speaker 7: problems that are that are out there, and people should
Speaker 7: be able to know what their costs are going to be,
Speaker 7: make decisions, work with their doctor to make make decisions.
Speaker 7: And the other thing is we're driving towards innovations, chores
Speaker 7: and better treatments keep people healthy. When people are healthy,
Speaker 7: they can go to work. I mean, we have a
Speaker 7: problem putting people into the military today because our youths
Speaker 7: are a problem.
Speaker 3: Today. Seven out of.
Speaker 2: Ten Americans today right now, all of us, seven out
Speaker 2: of ten of us bra At robs.
Speaker 7: Right, this is the problem, and that's what you need
Speaker 7: to address, not just the Affordable Care Act. So the
Speaker 7: debate can go on, and this is what the shutdown
Speaker 7: is over, and you're talking about people losing their jobs,
Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera. You know, this continued resolution did
Speaker 7: not stop the subsidies. That's at a later date. So
Speaker 7: now you're doing all this shutting down the government. Well,
Speaker 7: what you're fighting for isn't even in play yet.
Speaker 2: It cost another trillion dollars to keep the government open
Speaker 2: seven more weeks.
Speaker 3: What are we getting for that? Over a trillion dollars?
Speaker 2: That's again, it's that's always a question, right, it's taking
Speaker 2: you know, it's all you're doing is transferring. The problem
Speaker 2: we know subsidy, for example, college is heavily subsidized. How's
Speaker 2: college working on? Is college affordable? Answer is hell no.
Speaker 2: If you subsidize something, all you're doing is you're you're
Speaker 2: taking the cost and passing into other people. And I
Speaker 2: know that's how our healthcare system is set up. But
Speaker 2: with compliance, you mentioned burnout. For example, physicians are leaving
Speaker 2: not because they don't love practice and medicine helping people.
Speaker 2: It's because there's so much between them and the actual
Speaker 2: practicing of medicine with compliance and bureaucracy, Medicare, Medicaid, insurance companies,
Speaker 2: they don't have time for it.
Speaker 7: Thank Scott. I know a guy in the rural areas.
Speaker 7: He doesn't take insurance for primary care. They can pay
Speaker 7: him with ex state one too. When you're on insurance plans,
Speaker 7: if if somebody gives you eggs, you might be in
Speaker 7: trouble for that because you're like you're taking a pride.
Speaker 2: I like direct primary care. I think that's I think
Speaker 2: that's a great thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 7: Think there's ways of making that in medicaid. But that's
Speaker 7: that's the topic for another day. But what's the return
Speaker 7: on investments. I mean, that's what we need to be
Speaker 7: looking at. And you you brought that, well, what is
Speaker 7: that do Are we healthier because we subsidize the Affordable
Speaker 7: Care Act? Now we're becoming a healthier nation? No, we're not.
Speaker 7: And so there's no return on investment with what they're
Speaker 7: what they're talking about there. And I look at something
Speaker 7: like we've got to cure for hepatitis, see what like
Speaker 7: five ten years ago, and I remember in Washington, the
Speaker 7: immediate reaction is what is that going to cost? Well,
Speaker 7: if it cost twenty five thousand dollars and you're avoiding
Speaker 7: the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars liver transplant, there's
Speaker 7: a good return on investment. The problem we have in
Speaker 7: Washington is the Congressional Budget Office, which people live and
Speaker 7: die by too often, doesn't know how to do that.
Speaker 7: They actually met with us in the scott and they said, well,
Speaker 7: we don't know how to do that, and we actually
Speaker 7: got a bill in place that you can over ten
Speaker 7: years look at things like that to see the return
Speaker 7: on investment, because guess what, people that get hepatitises are
Speaker 7: no longer getting liver tramp right right, I mean you know,
Speaker 7: you can see the savings and see that. All right,
Speaker 7: let me know there are things we can do.
Speaker 2: Brad Winstrip US representative retired. He's a physician, as you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm great person. Talked about the government shutdown and
Speaker 2: it's over healthcare. Democrats want the Affordable Care TAXI critics
Speaker 2: extended for people. If you're talking tens of millions of
Speaker 2: people who rely on this thing. And I for a
Speaker 2: while now, I've been questioning, okay, so what's the GOP plan? Then,
Speaker 2: I you know, I want to pick the best plan.
Speaker 2: I think it's flawed. I think it's faulty. I think
Speaker 2: subsidies make us pay more than we should. It's more bureaucracy,
Speaker 2: it's more red tape. But it's something you can go, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to subsidize your healthcare because you can't afford
Speaker 2: it right now. And I've questioned, okay, what is the
Speaker 2: GOP alternative? Give me a good alternative, and for a
Speaker 2: long time, and I hear what you're saying, Brad, but
Speaker 2: it's it's maha right.
Speaker 3: It's prevention over treatment.
Speaker 2: It's access to healthcare of telehealth and competition, and that's
Speaker 2: going to just workforce shortages and of course price transparency
Speaker 2: with President Trump in the first term got his hands
Speaker 2: around it. In the sample size, maybe too early to
Speaker 2: tell because I think it just all the final components
Speaker 2: that wasn't to effect last year.
Speaker 3: But that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: But when I look at that whole thing, you know,
Speaker 2: to me, Brad, sorry, it doesn't seem like it's a
Speaker 2: it's an answer. It's it's observations, it's platitudes. We know
Speaker 2: what's wrong, but we can't fix it again. Democrats are
Speaker 2: shifting money from wildpod to another with subsidies, right, and
Speaker 2: that's but it's not making us healthier. But you're talking about,
Speaker 2: all right, if we started this today, because habits are
Speaker 2: hard to break, as we know, that's that's great for
Speaker 2: that's great for a newborn, for a young kid. Hitting
Speaker 2: this message with thirty forty fifty sixty year olds, I
Speaker 2: think it's missing the plate simply because all right, well,
Speaker 2: that's if we teach people to be healthier, that's great.
Speaker 2: But I have cancer, now, I have als, Now I'm
Speaker 2: in a wheelchair. Now, my mom has diabetes, my uncle
Speaker 2: has cancer. What can you do for me right now? Today?
Speaker 2: This is long term and changing a mindset. That's great
Speaker 2: and we should be doing that, but that doesn't help
Speaker 2: people today. That's the problem with this plan because it's
Speaker 2: not aude.
Speaker 7: But nobody's talking about getting rid of taking care of
Speaker 7: people in generally in general. And instead of just having
Speaker 7: to break it fix it, we try to prevent it.
Speaker 7: And that's where the real cost savings is. That's where there,
Speaker 7: that's where there's the return on investment. And you have
Speaker 7: to start it sometimes, and that's why I say you
Speaker 7: start with the youth. You know, we have to educate
Speaker 7: our children. You know, what about health class. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's just that's just the start. And you know, when
Speaker 7: you talk about the Affordable Care Act in general, you
Speaker 7: know what they're what we're finding is there's people on
Speaker 7: there that have other insurance and there and there are
Speaker 7: illegals on there, and our taxpayers don't want to pay
Speaker 7: for that. They just why should they? You're paying for
Speaker 7: people that don't pay any taxes and pay into one
Speaker 7: hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't address the issues people can't afford healthcare today.
Speaker 2: And you know, you may look at hey, subsidies, I
Speaker 2: get it's driving everything up, but I need this now.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're in enrollment season or close to it,
Speaker 2: and people are afraid. They're you know, if your healthcare
Speaker 2: costs quadruple, no one can afford that. If I had
Speaker 2: to pay thirteen four hundred, which is the average, that's
Speaker 2: not affordable for most Americans. So this addresses things in
Speaker 2: the future and taking care of yourself now. If you
Speaker 2: if you're an adult and you need health care, which
Speaker 2: we all do at this point, I don't thought I don't,
Speaker 2: and nothing's making it cheaper. We need to, and I
Speaker 2: think that's where Republicans is one of the few things
Speaker 2: that Trump's losing the war on, right, And this is
Speaker 2: why Democrats are falling on this hill, Brad is because
Speaker 2: healthcare is the only thing that they win on that
Speaker 2: they're on the right side of with the American people.
Speaker 2: Everything else they're upside down losing the trumpet underwater on.
Speaker 2: So they plant the swag and rally around it. I
Speaker 2: get the political nature of why they're doing this, but
Speaker 2: it also is the fact that health care sucks in
Speaker 2: this country. I would love a Republicans are something a
Speaker 2: concrete plan to get it fixed, kind of like you know,
Speaker 2: Trump does something and hey, we're going to put them
Speaker 2: under his he put a man on the moon in
Speaker 2: the week, right, if those are nineteen sixty nine, we
Speaker 2: need a plan like that. We need a man in
Speaker 2: the moon strategy to fix healthcare in the next few years.
Speaker 7: Okay, well, let's talk about that for a second. So
Speaker 7: you have the Affordable Care Act, and it's like so
Speaker 7: many other plans, and I can tell you this first
Speaker 7: stand from patient frustration. What do insurance companies do? They
Speaker 7: delay your care and they deny your care. Why you
Speaker 7: talked about doctors leaving because we get tired of having
Speaker 7: to get prior authorization. These are all things that need
Speaker 7: to change, and they can be changed now. They can
Speaker 7: be changed now. Congress can do this, and we need
Speaker 7: to streamline. I have a bill called the Safe Step Act,
Speaker 7: and that's been out there for twelve years and we
Speaker 7: can't get it through. What does it do. It just
Speaker 7: allows the doctor to say, this is the medicine that
Speaker 7: my patient needs. It's not on your formulary. This is
Speaker 7: what they need. And here's why. Instead of writing for
Speaker 7: the prescription that you want your patient to have, waiting
Speaker 7: for the insurance company to approve it, telling them that's
Speaker 7: telling you it's not approved. This is not good for help.
Speaker 7: These are all the things that are taking place and
Speaker 7: that has taken place within the Affordable Care Act and
Speaker 7: everywhere else, and so to feed the monster doesn't make
Speaker 7: any sense. We need to change the monster as well.
Speaker 3: Why is the political power to do that? Though? I mean,
Speaker 3: you mentioned something.
Speaker 2: I love what you just proposed her, But why why
Speaker 2: is that bill languishing for twelve years?
Speaker 3: Brad? What what's holding that up?
Speaker 7: Because because the insurance lobby is pretty strong, and they
Speaker 7: get to some people and say, oh, you know, you
Speaker 7: can't do that, that's that's not good, it's going to
Speaker 7: be a waste of money, and blah blah blah, and
Speaker 7: then they blame doctors, doctors just they're getting kickbacks from
Speaker 7: these companies and bloom, which isn't true. It's not true.
Speaker 7: But this is the political narrative that's being held out there,
Speaker 7: and this and who suffers. Patients are the ones that suffer.
Speaker 7: If you think the insurance lobby isn't huge out there,
Speaker 7: then just wonder why they're getting the subsidies to begin with.
Speaker 7: They're making a lot of money off this rather than competing,
Speaker 7: and maybe they have a little less profit that now.
Speaker 2: Falls in the area of campaign finance reform, but little action.
Speaker 2: That's a whole, that's a whole separate. Well, that's what's
Speaker 2: true scrip of the system. I get that these represent
Speaker 2: companies that have people that they hire and their shareholder value.
Speaker 2: All those things go in the that's kount of they
Speaker 2: shouldn't have a voice. But when they hold senators and
Speaker 2: congressman hostage, that's a different story. And that's you know,
Speaker 2: the cost is driving up. They're making the money off
Speaker 2: the middle and that's why there's no impetus to change
Speaker 2: things because both Republicans and Democrats are the ones that
Speaker 2: are are being enriched through campaign donations and everything else
Speaker 2: with the people we're trying to uh decrease their reliance
Speaker 2: on that's driving the cost of healthcare up. And if
Speaker 2: that's the case, is that it's never going to be solved,
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 7: But you have no and you have to shift in
Speaker 7: their until you can look, until you can determine and
Speaker 7: claim that we as a country want the return on
Speaker 7: investment to be a healthier nation, and that means taking
Speaker 7: care of things acutely, but it also means preventing and
Speaker 7: coming up with treatment cureservations. This is common sense stuff.
Speaker 7: Just throwing more money at an insurance company doesn't make
Speaker 7: any of those individuals on that plan healthier. That's a fact.
Speaker 7: And so if reducing the subsidies makes them have to
Speaker 7: be more competitive, I know it makes it more difficult.
Speaker 7: We want it to be more affordable and that goes
Speaker 7: to the transparency and accountability and all the things. And
Speaker 7: I think I sent you the information of what we're
Speaker 7: trying to do and trying to make a common sense.
Speaker 7: This is putting patients first, and that's not what's happening.
Speaker 7: It's putting insurance companies first, not patience and their health.
Speaker 7: And that is the narrative has to change. If we
Speaker 7: should be asking providers in the providers, insurance providers and
Speaker 7: the Affordable Care Act, what have you done to make
Speaker 7: America a healthier nation? What about your plan makes America
Speaker 7: healthier because they have coverage, it's it's delayed and denied.
Speaker 7: We've got to do better, and just just feeding the
Speaker 7: monster doesn't make sense to a lot of people, and
Speaker 7: it doesn't do the patience any It doesn't.
Speaker 3: Okay, but what do you say.
Speaker 2: Somebody hears it goes that's all well and good, But
Speaker 2: I'm worried about tomorrow if these tax credits expire and
Speaker 2: that they just simply die. I can't afford healthcare for me,
Speaker 2: my spouse and my two kids.
Speaker 7: What do you say to that, Yes, you, well, maybe
Speaker 7: you can if you can get the plan that you choose,
Speaker 7: if you can go out and shop for the chance
Speaker 7: that plan that you choose, it doesn't have things in
Speaker 7: mandates mandated in it. You know, for the little sisters
Speaker 7: of the poor to have to get contraceptive covered, that
Speaker 7: doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: Stop.
Speaker 7: There's problems within that, proproblems get that, and and that's
Speaker 7: not a free choice for people. And you know that
Speaker 7: that creates a problem too. So you've you've got over
Speaker 7: certain people a monopoly of what they have to buy,
Speaker 7: and it isn't cost effective for most people. And so
Speaker 7: if they have to compete, it makes a whole whole
Speaker 7: lot of difference. If they have compete compete, A lot
Speaker 7: of people would say, you know what I can pay
Speaker 7: for my day to day I just want catastrophic That's
Speaker 7: that's all. I want to have servers.
Speaker 3: Right right as well? It should well it should and
Speaker 3: have enough on the side wall.
Speaker 2: We heard that analogy before about well if you had
Speaker 2: if your health insurance, for like your car insurance, Church
Speaker 2: app and car insurance, when you need new wipers for example,
Speaker 2: or gasod be covered under insurance, and that's not what
Speaker 2: it's there for. It's for catastrophic needs for Unfortunately, so
Speaker 2: many people don't have the savings set aside to be
Speaker 2: able to afford anything above that, the healthcare system is
Speaker 2: a mess and it doesn't sound like it's changing anytime
Speaker 2: soon because of the deep pockets that really control things,
Speaker 2: and that'd be hospitals, insurance companies, big pharma, medical professional
Speaker 2: groups and the like have stakeholders on this as well
Speaker 2: and have the leverage you have able to influence lawmakers,
Speaker 2: which is why good ideas like that bill you had,
Speaker 2: Brad just sit there and shrivel up and die because
Speaker 2: it's not in their best interest. Brad winstrop Us Representative
Speaker 2: retired now in private practice. I don't know if we
Speaker 2: solved any any Maybe we answered some questions here, but
Speaker 2: I think we solved anything today.
Speaker 7: Well, I will tell you this that there there's a
Speaker 7: group in DC that is talking about Brad. Can you
Speaker 7: get involved if we can maybe put together a collaboration.
Speaker 7: It's not part of the government. Where you have pharma. There,
Speaker 7: you have hospitals. There, you have physician specialty represent table,
Speaker 7: if you will, and a round table front of Sea Span,
Speaker 7: not sitting in front of Sea Span, going getting your
Speaker 7: five minutes, and it's to satisfy your baby.
Speaker 2: It's all dog and pony. I get hey, Brad, I
Speaker 2: got to get going. I thank you for the time.
Speaker 7: Be well, always a pleasure. Thanks gott my friend.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 2: So we're running late. We've got to get to a
Speaker 2: news update. Lots to chew on there or maybe not.
Speaker 2: You go oktill the answering. I gotta pay my stuff today.
Speaker 2: I feel you seven or WWI.
Speaker 6: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here
Speaker 6: to help us get our heads right.
Speaker 7: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do it on Monday because that is a
Speaker 2: struggle day for most people. Now, if you got your
Speaker 2: bleep together and every day is a holiday, every day
Speaker 2: is good and you're probably the envy of most modern brains.
Speaker 2: But that's not how it works. Julie Hattershare, I hope
Speaker 2: trust you had a good weekend.
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, it was a really good weekend.
Speaker 8: How is your good?
Speaker 3: Fine?
Speaker 2: Just tobbling around, that's about it. I can't do stare
Speaker 2: at the window like a drooling fool. But maybe another
Speaker 2: couple of days so maybe I can crawl as opposed
Speaker 2: to sit there and not move at all. So hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, And then there are people with real
Speaker 2: sickness in ls in the world, so I don't feel
Speaker 2: so bad. I'm good, We good, were good. There's a
Speaker 2: story ripped from today's headlines. And I know we'd often
Speaker 2: talk about political stuff, but this, I mean it's political,
Speaker 2: but I think there's also so something else going on here.
Speaker 2: So by now you've heard about the leaked telegram chat
Speaker 2: of twenty eight thousand plus matcheses between young Republicans. I
Speaker 2: think it was on a platform and a social platform,
Speaker 2: and there are comments about Hitler, praising Hitler, racial slurs,
Speaker 2: gas chamber jokes, horrific, horrific things in there from a
Speaker 2: ledge of the future of the Republican Party. Bad look
Speaker 2: for Republicans, because if you don't like Republicans or on
Speaker 2: the other side, you say, well, that's about right for
Speaker 2: these guys. But I think there's somebody to be said
Speaker 2: about who's doing this and why I mean, this is
Speaker 2: extremely difficult to talk about, I know, but I think
Speaker 2: it also gets back the fact that a lot of
Speaker 2: people there's their online persona and then there's real life persona.
Speaker 2: I just wonder how many of these people believe what
Speaker 2: they said, and if they weren't just trying to get
Speaker 2: a rise and be an edge lord and get a
Speaker 2: rise from the people in that particular circle. I think
Speaker 2: it's an interesting sociological thing that's going on here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 9: So I read through some of this and did a
Speaker 9: little research, and of the eleven people on that chat,
Speaker 9: three of them were women, and eight of them were
Speaker 9: between twenty four and thirty five. So when people say,
Speaker 9: you know, it's just kids being kids, I want to
Speaker 9: point out that these are the young Republicans, but they're
Speaker 9: not teenagers. Many of them have jobs that are in
Speaker 9: lower levels of political office, and in fact, one is
Speaker 9: a state senator in Vermont and his wife, So these
Speaker 9: are not kids in the sense that they've been portrayed
Speaker 9: as kids. But yeah, it's really hard to know from
Speaker 9: reading through what I read through whether they actually believe
Speaker 9: this and meanness to the extent that they said it,
Speaker 9: or whether it's just sort of the common language of
Speaker 9: their group, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, right?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: And nebic, you know, young anything young professionals, for example,
Speaker 2: typically means people forty and under, But that is also
Speaker 2: a broad spectrum. Is that it does an eighteen year old?
Speaker 2: How much does an eighteen year old have in common
Speaker 2: with a forty year old? So it's not like it's
Speaker 2: a specific demographics as gen zers, But there's also millennials
Speaker 2: in there too, So young is basing any group under
Speaker 2: forty exactly?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And so as I was reading through this and keeping
Speaker 9: in mind that you know, prefrontal cortexas don't develop until
Speaker 9: early twenties, and then maybe a year or two later
Speaker 9: than that, we've still got some people in this that
Speaker 9: may not have full comprehension of the potential consequences of
Speaker 9: what they're saying. But then as I'm continuing to read,
Speaker 9: there are more than once it says, you know, if
Speaker 9: this gets leaved, we're in bad trouble. So some people
Speaker 9: in this definitely had some sense of what the potential
Speaker 9: consequences could be, but some of the stuff that they
Speaker 9: wrote was just shocking. And the question you asked me
Speaker 9: is how much of this do they actually believe versus
Speaker 9: how much of this is just you know, in group languaging.
Speaker 9: And I don't have an answer for you for that.
Speaker 9: It's really distressing to think about, right, But you.
Speaker 2: Wonder because it is younger people and again not teenagers
Speaker 2: here there's generally natures don't give a damn about politics.
Speaker 2: They know they don't like stuff, but they don't know why.
Speaker 2: It's not till you get older you go, oh, okay.
Speaker 3: I get what's going on here.
Speaker 2: It's politics in the fact that this is online culture though, right,
Speaker 2: is that we are in these individual silos. Now, if
Speaker 2: I am a I don't know, a blind agnostic who's
Speaker 2: into a fifth century pottery, I can find a group
Speaker 2: online of like minded people. Before I'd be kind of
Speaker 2: the freak and ostracized, But now I find my own
Speaker 2: group online. And that's the other side of it. But
Speaker 2: the downside is more tribalism. Is this one of those
Speaker 2: deals where everyone in this echo chamber espouses the same
Speaker 2: political ideology, but it's just trying to basically roast or
Speaker 2: outrage other people. And the more you outrage, the more
Speaker 2: it looks like you are I guess more of a
Speaker 2: believer in the cause, and it just becomes this self
Speaker 2: fulfilling prophecy that's anchored by well, how outrageous can I
Speaker 2: be because I'm with Kindred Spirits. Isn't this all about
Speaker 2: tribalism and wanting to belong.
Speaker 3: To a group?
Speaker 9: I think that's a big piece of it. Yeah, and
Speaker 9: trying to see just how far you can push the envelope. Okay,
Speaker 9: so I make this joke, I say this word, I
Speaker 9: say this thing, and people are giving me thumbs up
Speaker 9: and piling on positively, or people are giving me thumbs
Speaker 9: up and thumbs down and piling on negatively. So now
Speaker 9: I'm trying to test the boundaries and figure out are
Speaker 9: their boundaries and what are they? And what we do
Speaker 9: online is very different than what we would do in person.
Speaker 9: So you would say something terrible in person, and there.
Speaker 8: Might be people who would give you pushback.
Speaker 9: Or a disgusted look, or or there might be some
Speaker 9: indication that that wasn't okay. But if you do that
Speaker 9: in the online world, sometimes all you get is dead air.
Speaker 9: So there's no negative. The dead air is the negative,
Speaker 9: which is not the same as people saying hey, it's
Speaker 9: not okay to say or Conversely, you say something in
Speaker 9: real life.
Speaker 8: When people are yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: Go more with that.
Speaker 9: So it's about finding out where you fit, I think
Speaker 9: to some extent, and testing the boundaries of just how
Speaker 9: far things can be pushed, where are the edges here,
Speaker 9: and how provocative can I be and still be part
Speaker 9: of the group.
Speaker 2: In the pre digital age, I will say that you
Speaker 2: know you would you may be at a rally or
Speaker 2: something like that and you have a sign or I mean,
Speaker 2: let's face you. Okay, let's say that there's the real life,
Speaker 2: in real life version, this would be let's say a
Speaker 2: Nazi rally or something. All right, okay, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to go up there and like what we saw over
Speaker 2: and Evenil in the summer. Right, Look how many people
Speaker 2: showed up and yelled at them, threatened them, brought guns
Speaker 2: to the dance and want them the hell off of
Speaker 2: that overpass.
Speaker 3: Everyone did except them.
Speaker 2: You have now real time feedback from your comments and
Speaker 2: your beliefs.
Speaker 3: Do I really believe this?
Speaker 2: Well, they did everything they could to sell this ideology
Speaker 2: that no one was buying. But online you don't have
Speaker 2: those repercussions. You're not going to get punched in the face.
Speaker 2: You're not going to get physically threatened. You might digitally,
Speaker 2: but it's the same as a compliment. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's different when you're saying that someone's these things, they're
Speaker 2: face And that's really what's changed about the digital age.
Speaker 9: That's really what's changed about the digital age, which is
Speaker 9: that now with the Internet, we can say things that
Speaker 9: we wouldn't say to someone in real life, and we
Speaker 9: can have very limited consequences to that. And if we
Speaker 9: happen to be in a group where that is the norm,
Speaker 9: then not only do we get limited consequences, but here
Speaker 9: are our people, and we're saying it to our people,
Speaker 9: whether it's positive or negative, whether it's left or right
Speaker 9: or center, we're talking to our people, and we're getting
Speaker 9: more affirmation for that than we might otherwise in a
Speaker 9: more mixed group.
Speaker 8: And we don't have to affiliate with people online who
Speaker 8: aren't like us.
Speaker 9: As we would in the real world in a job
Speaker 9: or in a social situation where there are.
Speaker 8: People who aren't like us.
Speaker 9: Can be as as groupy as we want to be
Speaker 9: online because those are our folks.
Speaker 2: We've always had these kind of groups, Julie. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, I think they're more prevalent. It seems
Speaker 2: like this's happening with impunity now. COVID had a lot
Speaker 2: to do this because of the lockdown, because we were
Speaker 2: all islands or by ourselves. We've still got stuff done,
Speaker 2: learned to live online a lot more and there's no
Speaker 2: going back.
Speaker 9: It really changed everything long term. I don't know about permanently,
Speaker 9: but certainly long term.
Speaker 8: It changed everything.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'll tell you from my own profession there
Speaker 9: as therapist who went totally online during COVID, and we'll
Speaker 9: never go back to seeing people in person. And so
Speaker 9: if you just look at you know how many people
Speaker 9: stopped working in person and are now only working online,
Speaker 9: So you can't you don't have the same social interaction
Speaker 9: with people you're not choosing to interact with as you
Speaker 9: do if you go into an office every day, or
Speaker 9: you go into a factory every day.
Speaker 8: Or you go out into the world in a different
Speaker 8: way now than we did before.
Speaker 9: COVID for sure, and I think it definitely made us
Speaker 9: more in group ye and less diverse in the people
Speaker 9: that we spend time with because we don't have to
Speaker 9: to the same degree that we used to.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: She's Julie Hattershoes, she's a licensed mental health therapist from
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati. On Scotsland show. It's Mental Health Monday,
Speaker 2: and I don't have mental healthy. This is in a
Speaker 2: sense that we have traded digital relationships or face to
Speaker 2: face ones. And I think maybe that's the big takeaway
Speaker 2: is that, and I'm sure you treat or see people
Speaker 2: and hear about from people who are in the same boat,
Speaker 2: is that if you get a steady diet of these
Speaker 2: echo chambers and that takes over your real life and reality,
Speaker 2: it's probably gonna lead you some meleal health issues.
Speaker 9: Well it does, and also it leads to some relationship challenges.
Speaker 9: So I'm not even going to say if you get
Speaker 9: a steady diet of these echo chambers, I'm just going
Speaker 9: to say people are losing the ability to interact with
Speaker 9: each other effectively face to face. The more time we
Speaker 9: spend online, the more time we don't have to make
Speaker 9: a phone call to a customer service rep to get
Speaker 9: something done, or make a phone call to schedule an
Speaker 9: appointment for something, the more that we don't actually have
Speaker 9: to go out into the world and interact with people
Speaker 9: on a consistent basis, we're losing some of our social skills,
Speaker 9: or at least they're changing and they're becoming more online
Speaker 9: social skills. And the problem is that then if you
Speaker 9: forget where you are and you say something in the
Speaker 9: real world that you would only drop in a chat online,
Speaker 9: suddenly you get some negative pushback for that. But we're
Speaker 9: losing the ability to interact and relate with each other
Speaker 9: face to face.
Speaker 8: And I see that in my practice a lot.
Speaker 9: I see people who are so isolated and so lonely
Speaker 9: despite the fact that we're more connected and I use
Speaker 9: air quotes around that word than ever before. And the
Speaker 9: thing is that we're connected often to people who think
Speaker 9: like us, and not connected to people who don't.
Speaker 8: Think like us.
Speaker 9: So there's no real world fact checking or pushback for
Speaker 9: some of the things we say and do.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because so what you're saying is like people,
Speaker 2: for example, who I don't know, maybe they're you know,
Speaker 2: Trump seems to be the bit and it could be
Speaker 2: anything that right now, it's Trump, Like I'm a big
Speaker 2: Trump fan, and I only associate with people online who
Speaker 2: are in the real world I know people who aren't,
Speaker 2: and then I don't associate even family members and we've
Speaker 2: seen relationships break off over who's president of the United States.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so stupid and myopic that you're
Speaker 2: gonna you know, you're losing family members and friends for
Speaker 2: a long long time over who got voted in the
Speaker 2: office or who didn't win. It doesn't make any sense
Speaker 2: to me, but for those people it does. And that
Speaker 2: to me is that detachment from online versus real life.
Speaker 9: Yes, and that detachment from a reality check that not
Speaker 9: everybody thinks and feels the way that you do, and
Speaker 9: that people who don't think and feel the way that
Speaker 9: you do can actually be good people and you might
Speaker 9: actually have to work with them and interact with them,
Speaker 9: or be a family member or a friend to.
Speaker 8: Them, or go to school with them.
Speaker 9: And so we're losing the ability to hold opposing viewpoints
Speaker 9: as being equally valid as ours, and we're starting to
Speaker 9: dehumanize and other eyes people who think differently than we do.
Speaker 2: Well when we and yeah, I'm sorry, when we establish
Speaker 2: like you know, saft zones on college campuses where I
Speaker 2: can espouse my you know, actually my first amenment, right,
Speaker 2: but you can't challenge me that you know that that
Speaker 2: predates and that overshadows. In my opinion, we're talking about
Speaker 2: to hear digital, but it feeds in the whole same
Speaker 2: thing is that we want to shelter our children who
Speaker 2: eventually become adults so much that they only have their
Speaker 2: views reinforced and never be challenged to think another way
Speaker 2: or see someone else's that that's dangerous.
Speaker 3: And it leads to this.
Speaker 9: Doesn't It does leads. It definitely can lead to this.
Speaker 9: These witness tests for you in or are you out?
Speaker 9: And these belief systems that if you disagree with me,
Speaker 9: if anyone disagrees with us.
Speaker 8: They are bad or wrong.
Speaker 9: We dehumanize, we otherize them. We don't have the ability to,
Speaker 9: as they say in politics, work across the aisle.
Speaker 8: We're losing the ability to.
Speaker 9: Say, you and I disagree on this, but we still
Speaker 9: have to work together to get this done.
Speaker 8: Whatever that happens to be.
Speaker 9: And we're becoming very tribal, to use your word from
Speaker 9: earlier in the segment, we're becoming very tribal. And that
Speaker 9: can be a strength, but it more often than not,
Speaker 9: I think is a deficit because we're losing diversity of
Speaker 9: thought and diversity of representation, and we're losing our abilities
Speaker 9: to deal with people who think and feel and operate
Speaker 9: differently in the world.
Speaker 8: Than we do.
Speaker 2: Also the ability to negotiate, to realize we have differences
Speaker 2: in coming to common ground. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 2: not a coincidence that we same day we're talking about
Speaker 2: this business. I mean, look at the shootings on Found Square,
Speaker 2: look at the one we just had on Thursday after
Speaker 2: the football game. People are willing to just Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: in an argument over something stupid, not even a street
Speaker 2: total strangers and pick up a gun and shoot them
Speaker 2: because what because they looked at you differently or you
Speaker 2: thought they said something, or a parking spot, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Rather than just you know, argue you're getting a fight
Speaker 2: or discuss it, somebody's going to pick up a gun
Speaker 2: and shoot YOUO. This is cut from the same fabric.
Speaker 9: I think it's very similar. It's all part of the
Speaker 9: continuum of increasing uncivil discourse in our country, in our society.
Speaker 9: It's increasingly becoming extremist, it's increasingly becoming.
Speaker 8: Violent word wise or action wise.
Speaker 9: And it's increasingly becoming cooperative and cooperative and negotiated. And
Speaker 9: so yes, I think it's all part of the continuum
Speaker 9: of uncivilizing our civilization.
Speaker 3: Julie hattersh here.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you see this in your practice,
Speaker 2: or maybe you've heard stories from colleagues and the like
Speaker 2: it are there people that are realizing, Hey, I've got
Speaker 2: a digital problem. I've got to get some help mentally
Speaker 2: and this or I guess it's a mental health therapist
Speaker 2: about this above all. Also that's changing my you know,
Speaker 2: changing my or or someone's forcing someone to go to
Speaker 2: therapy because they've isolated themselves. To the point is that
Speaker 2: actually has that become a thing over the years in
Speaker 2: practices like, yes, yeah.
Speaker 8: It has.
Speaker 9: I have a lot of people, a lot of couples
Speaker 9: I see in fact that I suggest going on a
Speaker 9: digital diet or a digital detox because they're spending so
Speaker 9: much time with their face on the screen that they're
Speaker 9: not actually connecting with themselves in life and with other
Speaker 9: people in life, and it's creating problems in relationships, it's
Speaker 9: creating problems in mental health in individuals who get so
Speaker 9: sucked into the screen that they're not actually connecting with
Speaker 9: folks in their life and doing things outside, like actually
Speaker 9: outside the house, but outside of their screen. Becomes very
Speaker 9: isolating and it's meant to I mean, the stuff online
Speaker 9: is meant to keep you there. That's what they want.
Speaker 9: They want you to stay there. They don't want you
Speaker 9: to go out and you know, paddle connue or take
Speaker 9: a bike rider.
Speaker 8: Engage and have lunch with the friends.
Speaker 3: Engagement, that's what it's all about. And engaging.
Speaker 2: But then you get more of the diet of what
Speaker 2: you subscribe to and want to see, and so the
Speaker 2: algorithmnosis and feed you more of it to keep you
Speaker 2: on on longer. The problem is there's a definite mental
Speaker 2: health component to this. The more you spend, the more
Speaker 2: it hurts your mind. Now and the other thing too
Speaker 2: is you may not see it right is how many
Speaker 2: people have done that and go, well, that's not me.
Speaker 2: I just is what I like and not realizing that
Speaker 2: this we're talking about you.
Speaker 9: Exactly, and we are not.
Speaker 8: We humans are not designed to live.
Speaker 9: In isolation, and yet so many of us are isolated
Speaker 9: from the world, and our primary relationship is through a screen,
Speaker 9: and we are not. Our brains and our bodies are
Speaker 9: not designed to live in isolation.
Speaker 8: We're designed to live in.
Speaker 9: Community with other people, our friends, our families, our co workers,
Speaker 9: our neighbors, and this keeps us connected again in air quotes.
Speaker 8: But also it's so incredibly disconnected.
Speaker 9: It's not good for us mentally, emotionally, relationally, it's not.
Speaker 8: Good for us physically.
Speaker 9: There are so many things that it's like anything you know,
Speaker 9: too much.
Speaker 8: Of anything is bad. And this is another example of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as the young Republicans chats like, it's got so
Speaker 2: narrow and so so tribal that you know, if you
Speaker 2: step back and look at and go, what what the
Speaker 2: hell is?
Speaker 3: What what am I reading here?
Speaker 2: This is and not suspecting that someone at some point
Speaker 2: of all those people in that chat would and so
Speaker 2: either be exploited or I've heard it, maybe the blackmailed
Speaker 2: a little bit. But still, I mean it's it's they're
Speaker 2: your words, and somebody's going to get a hold of that.
Speaker 2: We'll definitely use it against you. But there's a bigger problem.
Speaker 2: It's the more connected we become as a world digitally, uh,
Speaker 2: the more lonely we become an individual relationships. I think
Speaker 2: that's the takeaway here. If that's you're someone to love,
Speaker 2: definitely need to talk somepon Like Julie hattersh here, she's
Speaker 2: at beconnected dot care. Hey, Juliet, be connected dot care
Speaker 2: if you want to reach out question for a future
Speaker 2: topic on mental health Monday. I always appreciate the insight
Speaker 2: and the good stuff as always be well, take care youte.
Speaker 2: All right, getting you to a news update and when
Speaker 2: we return on seven hundred WLW. Last week, we had
Speaker 2: the governor's ban on what do we call it intoxicating
Speaker 2: hemp beverages and products because they may fall on the
Speaker 2: hands of kids, you know, using the children to enact
Speaker 2: prohibition as nothing new. Uh, but this part of a
Speaker 2: bigger problem is is just how slow the government is
Speaker 2: to legislate, control and regulate things that go into our body,
Speaker 2: whether it's those drinks or edibles I'm talking about, or
Speaker 2: something like a nicotine pouch which you put in your
Speaker 2: lip and you get nicotine. It's not smoke, it's not
Speaker 2: tobacco much much safer, but you're getting the nicotine delivery system.
Speaker 2: You're getting kotine without the harmful byproducts of tobacco. Well,
Speaker 2: much like what's happening in Ohio, it's happening nationwide. With
Speaker 2: Trump's FDA, he wants he wants to fast track some
Speaker 2: of these products these uh, nicotine pouches, and the problem
Speaker 2: is now the market is flooded with black market products
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: She writes about this.
Speaker 2: For a reason and why we need to fast trek
Speaker 2: regulation a lot quicker than the FDA has in the past,
Speaker 2: and Trump's trying to do it. Her name Sophia Hamilton.
Speaker 2: She joins the next next on the show to talk
Speaker 2: about that. Just ahead seven hundred WWT Cincinnatic.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American Scott Flone show.
Speaker 3: This is seven hundred w LW.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: So Mike DeWine issued his Delta AD Intoxicating hamp emergency
Speaker 2: band that kicked in last week. But that's a emblematic
Speaker 2: a bigger problem. Uh, and it's the problem is a
Speaker 2: it's a slow to move government right that drives the
Speaker 2: black market. The reason why he had to do that
Speaker 2: band was because the legislator's been dragging their feet for
Speaker 2: a long time. They had a caravat for hemp and
Speaker 2: then that's I'm going to figure out a way to go, Hey,
Speaker 2: we could take some of the low level TCH and
Speaker 2: hemp and process it and as long as we derive
Speaker 2: the THHD, which is the psychoactive ingredient and weed the
Speaker 2: stuff that gets you high. We can make these products
Speaker 2: and then you know, for example, fifty West rolls out
Speaker 2: of beverage.
Speaker 3: Many companies are doing it.
Speaker 2: That's CBD infused, cannabis infused, and you get a decent buzz,
Speaker 2: kind of like alcohol without the alcohol side effects.
Speaker 3: Money people like it.
Speaker 2: Well, kids were getting a hold of this in the
Speaker 2: smokeable and edible form in some Roague carryout stores and
Speaker 2: around the state, which of course happens when you have
Speaker 2: a black market that's created by government overregulation and the
Speaker 2: government's low to move, and the end result is now
Speaker 2: adults can't have nice things either. No one wants kids
Speaker 2: getting high at the same time as an adult. I've
Speaker 2: kind of earned that right. So this fits into something
Speaker 2: else that's going under the Trump FDA. They're fast tracking
Speaker 2: reviews of tobacco. Companies are in the nicotine pouch game
Speaker 2: now because we are people are smoking tobacco, as you know,
Speaker 2: so they're going to go, hey, we got to make
Speaker 2: our money. We'll do nicotine pouches, things like zin and
Speaker 2: other stuff like that. That's all well and good, but
Speaker 2: the problem is it's much like Ohio's doing with the
Speaker 2: CBD stuff is that the slow moving government, the plot
Speaker 2: and government, the legislature simply can't get on the way
Speaker 2: and create rules that make access available to other companies.
Speaker 2: And then the end result is you have some black
Speaker 2: market folks getting their products into well convenience stores, for example,
Speaker 2: just like we do in Ohio when it comes to CBD.
Speaker 2: Kind of a long setup there. I apologize. She's Sophia Hamilton.
Speaker 2: She writes in Reason magazine about this. Also she's a
Speaker 2: fellow with Young Voices. Good morning, how are you.
Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Thank you so much for having.
Speaker 4: Me this morning.
Speaker 6: I'm excited to chat a little bit about this scary
Speaker 6: market changes that we're seeing with not only nickedine couches,
Speaker 6: but like as you were saying, with cannabis as well.
Speaker 2: It's two sides of the same coin, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: that was the world's longest setup. I apologize, But it
Speaker 2: all comes together because it's the problem is a slow moving,
Speaker 2: plotting government and we live in an on demand society.
Speaker 2: People sample something and they see something, they read something,
Speaker 2: they eat, they drink O.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I like this a lot.
Speaker 2: Where can I get it? Well, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you have an exploding consumer market for that, and we
Speaker 2: get it. Whether it's a CBD infused to THC CBD
Speaker 2: infused drink or whether it's a nicotine pouch, somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: rush in legal, arly illegal to fill that void. What's
Speaker 2: happening relative to nicotine. We know what's going on with
Speaker 2: THCHC here in Ohio, but what about the nicotine patch game?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so nicotine policy is changing all across the country.
Speaker 6: We have some states that are incredibly strict and how
Speaker 6: to have a lot of bands where they limit ages
Speaker 6: percentages of nicotine flavors. And then you have a different
Speaker 6: regulatory regene at the spiral level where they are very
Speaker 6: slow to improve quality products that have been on the
Speaker 6: international market for decades and that we know are safe,
Speaker 6: and so consumers are trying new products like nicotine pouches.
Speaker 6: They've been on the US market for at least a decade,
Speaker 6: but they haven't had full SDA approoval and that's a
Speaker 6: whole it's a whole process to get the official stamp
Speaker 6: of approval from the SBA. So American consumers have been
Speaker 6: able to try these products and realize, oh yeah, I
Speaker 6: really like the nicotine pouches. They're a lot smoother than base,
Speaker 6: there's less downside, all of these, all of these great things,
Speaker 6: the FDA hasn't moved as fast as consumers have. They've
Speaker 6: they've moved out of snail's pace, and so consumers have
Speaker 6: dried this product, decided that they liked it, and it's
Speaker 6: hard to get what they want because of all of
Speaker 6: the state restrictions on flavors. So who's come infilled that
Speaker 6: demand where the state's safe block access the market? And
Speaker 6: so we're seeing a bunch of counterfeits explode onto the
Speaker 6: scene where they look exactly like the old products that
Speaker 6: people know, but there's new flavors and that's exactly what
Speaker 6: consumers want. But they don't know that they're getting a
Speaker 6: sketchy product.
Speaker 2: Right because they haven't the process. Well, there's a fine
Speaker 2: line of balance there. And I get whether it's what
Speaker 2: Mike DeWine's doing here in Ohio, it's the exact same
Speaker 2: argument we're doing with the THHD and the intoxicating hemp
Speaker 2: as we call it, and what's going on with nicotine
Speaker 2: edibles and the pouches, and that is government will tell you, well,
Speaker 2: hold on, we need to research you and to make
Speaker 2: sure this stuff is safe to be consumed by people.
Speaker 2: You don't know that if you go to your comedience store,
Speaker 2: you don't know if a product has been tested or not.
Speaker 3: And that's that's part of the problem.
Speaker 6: Right exactly. Well, I think most consumers go into a
Speaker 6: store and they see something on the shelf and they go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is this is perfectly safe they're getting it's getting
Speaker 6: told to me, and there's there's there's there might be
Speaker 6: some risks, like they know when they buy cigarettes or
Speaker 6: when they buy a vase, when they buy any sort
Speaker 6: of products, that there's a downside, but they aren't going
Speaker 6: in there thinking that it could be a counterfeit. And
Speaker 6: I think that's where it's really scary and dangerous, is
Speaker 6: that they think that they're buying a real product, and
Speaker 6: with the nicotine pouches, they it's a.
Speaker 4: Harm reduction tool.
Speaker 6: They think that they're buying something that's safer for them,
Speaker 6: and really it's it's a counterfeit and and it's it's not.
Speaker 4: Meeting the needs.
Speaker 6: And the reason the reason why we have all of
Speaker 6: these restrictions on the nicotine pouches is what they always
Speaker 6: say is for the safety of children. The children aren't
Speaker 6: getting these products. But we we've all been teenagers. We
Speaker 6: know how, we know how teams are. They're going to
Speaker 6: get their hands on what they want to And now
Speaker 6: the market is even more dangerous because the market is
Speaker 6: fulled with counterfeits because we restricted it for the safety
Speaker 6: of these teams. But now all the teams are getting
Speaker 6: what they're getting the counterfeit.
Speaker 2: Product, right, right, So what would happen basically politically speaking,
Speaker 2: is a lot of progressives, for example, and some conservatives
Speaker 2: what we'll talk about, well, this is why we need
Speaker 2: a strong FDA, and this is you know, you're you're
Speaker 2: just gonna fast track all this stuff and put all
Speaker 2: these more poisons on the market. And they're getting on
Speaker 2: the market anyway, to ignore the what the black market
Speaker 2: is created, whether it's THC drinks or edibles or in
Speaker 2: this case, nicotine pouches and pretty much everything else. They've
Speaker 2: they've got to meet consumer demand head on. And you
Speaker 2: don't do that by Okay, in five years, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have research and we'll find out whether or not we're
Speaker 2: all lot of this stuff and that's gonna get polluted
Speaker 2: down by lobby groups and everything else. Or just simply
Speaker 2: you know, if you're if you're anti edible or vape
Speaker 2: or nicotine, you're you're gonna shoot this thing down. Whatever
Speaker 2: the corporate policy is, so to speak, the party policy.
Speaker 2: So this stuff has to be faster. We got to
Speaker 2: do a better job of saying, Okay, well it's not
Speaker 2: the best thing you can put in your body, but
Speaker 2: at least there's not mercury or serious harmful chemicals in it.
Speaker 2: We need to test this stuff and screen it much
Speaker 2: much faster. But that's the reality here. Can we actually change.
Speaker 6: That, though we definitely can. These products have been available
Speaker 6: in the europe market for chuckies. We know that they're safe.
Speaker 6: We don't need to go in through a whole new
Speaker 6: approval process. We can look at these markets that we
Speaker 6: know and trust and say, okay, here's the research that
Speaker 6: they've produced. It's good to be on the US market.
Speaker 6: Let's fast track it and approve it. Instead, they're doing
Speaker 6: the same thing where they did with spates, where they
Speaker 6: blocked good things from getting on the market that we
Speaker 6: knew we're safe and that we knew consumers wanted, and
Speaker 6: instead of approving things, they went and attacked the counterfeits
Speaker 6: which needs to happen. You need to get the counterfeits
Speaker 6: off the market, but they're ignoring why those counterfeits are
Speaker 6: on the market, and that's to fill the design of
Speaker 6: the consumers. And so we're seeing the same issue with
Speaker 6: nicotine couches where they're attacking the counterfeits, but they're not
Speaker 6: addressing why the counterfeits popped up first. And so they
Speaker 6: really do need to address the approval process to get
Speaker 6: good quality products on the market that adult consumers want,
Speaker 6: and that includes flavors, that includes choice in nicotine percentages.
Speaker 6: And you can't just put this desire to have prohibition,
Speaker 6: especially among teenagers, to harming adult consumers because everyone will
Speaker 6: be worse off if you take away that change.
Speaker 3: And that was Governor Mike Dewines cry here is this
Speaker 3: is about the children. The child.
Speaker 2: We got to save the children because children, I get. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: well what about the retail around of the Sophia Hamilton.
Speaker 2: You know, if I'm a retail what's the retailer's perspective
Speaker 2: on this or some instiga. I don't care what's in it,
Speaker 2: even if it's poison. I'll sell it to him because
Speaker 2: I need to make money at my carry out. It's
Speaker 2: certainly not all retailers. I don't see the big box
Speaker 2: stores or you know, the Krogers of the world, for example,
Speaker 2: shelving this stuff. But you know, at the same time,
Speaker 2: the little guy at the corner, what's the process for them?
Speaker 2: They're trying to keep their head above water to I
Speaker 2: get it, but I don't think i'd want to make
Speaker 2: my money, you know, selling the kids. Some people are
Speaker 2: going to do that. It seems like it's an enforcement issue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are enforcement issues, but they're smart. They're going
Speaker 6: to find someone who's above the legal age to buy
Speaker 6: the product for them or have a fake idea. There's
Speaker 6: definitely ways. It's really not that complicated for them to
Speaker 6: find ways to get these products in a reliable manner.
Speaker 6: And I think it's fairs not want teenagers to be
Speaker 6: using these products, especially if they've never used other nicotine products.
Speaker 6: You don't want to get them addicted. But they're going
Speaker 6: to do what they want to do. At the end
Speaker 6: of the day, they're going to drink even though drinking
Speaker 6: age is at twenty one. The aids to consume nickedine
Speaker 6: and tobacco is also at twenty one, And we were
Speaker 6: all in college at one point. But I just this,
Speaker 6: this desire to go through prohibition policies and we've seen
Speaker 6: them fail time and time again with so many different substances,
Speaker 6: is the silliest thing in my mind. We've seen it fail.
Speaker 6: Why are we trying to do it again? Because it's
Speaker 6: hurting retailers, like you said, it's hurting consumers, it's hurting
Speaker 6: the companies, and it's hurting the local economies because you
Speaker 6: get so much money from taxes on these products, right,
Speaker 6: and so you're trying to prohibit it and you're putting
Speaker 6: it into the black market where you're the state is
Speaker 6: no longer able to get the excise taxes from these products.
Speaker 6: So it's really just the loose situation all around.
Speaker 3: No question.
Speaker 2: And you know the fact of the matter is the
Speaker 2: government can never keep up with demand. They need to
Speaker 2: move a lot faster, be a lot leaner. That makes
Speaker 2: capitalism work better. Certainly, we don't want poisons going to
Speaker 2: convenience stores or our bodies.
Speaker 3: We assume that a lot of stuff is tested.
Speaker 2: But the way the models set up the big tobacco
Speaker 2: companies that have all sorts of research and development and
Speaker 2: backing and money coming or talking billions and publicly traded
Speaker 2: companies they can afford to play the regulation game, like Zen,
Speaker 2: for example, simply because they have the what about the
Speaker 2: mom and pop the entrepreneurs. And the same is true
Speaker 2: when it comes to THHD infused drinks. You know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, Anheuser Busch may be able to put a
Speaker 2: product out that rivals at but something like fifty West
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, when they roll a THC infused product,
Speaker 2: they don't have the backing, the wherewith all the R
Speaker 2: and D to be able to afford all the regulatory
Speaker 2: red tape to get the government seal of approval. That
Speaker 2: just stemy small and mid sized businesses, doesn't it exactly?
Speaker 6: Going through the approval process takes good years and countless
Speaker 6: countless dollars. Zen just speaking, the first company to be
Speaker 6: approved to market to adulop consumers in the US their
Speaker 6: nicotine pouches in January of this year. The first company,
Speaker 6: They're a giant company international, and that took in years
Speaker 6: and years to get that first stamp of approval. That's
Speaker 6: not even the end process. Most companies cannot wait that long,
Speaker 6: and so it's it's an incredibly difficult process to go through.
Speaker 6: It's also very very confusing and long, and the sea
Speaker 6: is has a huge backlog or records long backlog, and
Speaker 6: most companies just cannot survive that weight to get the approval,
Speaker 6: and that's where you're seeing good competition get pushed out
Speaker 6: of the way, while we have the door wide open
Speaker 6: for counterfeits where we don't know what's what's even in
Speaker 6: them because there's no there's no approval process, there's no
Speaker 6: regulation there.
Speaker 2: I know what no one's saying. Nicotine is you certainly
Speaker 2: you can get sick. You can overdose on nicotine for
Speaker 2: that matter too, But you know, it seems to me
Speaker 2: a better alternative than traditional tobacco would be VP products,
Speaker 2: but especially nicotine pouches that you put between your lip
Speaker 2: and gum. It's not a can, it's not a carcinogen
Speaker 2: in the way that the traditional snuffs and dip and
Speaker 2: smoking is. And so you know, if you're worried about
Speaker 2: the future generations and lung cancer and cancer as well,
Speaker 2: this seems like to be a good alternative.
Speaker 3: It's not perfect.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it doesn't have harmful effects, but it's
Speaker 2: certainly a lot less than what the alternative is or
Speaker 2: the traditional methods.
Speaker 6: Are exactly it's a harm reduction tool because it is
Speaker 6: more safe than the other products that are out there.
Speaker 6: So if you're going to be consuming nicotine, this is
Speaker 6: the safest way that you can do it. And there's
Speaker 6: still downsides. You can have some irritation, stomach upside, but
Speaker 6: you know, I'm sitting here drinking of coffee and there's
Speaker 6: similar downside to coffee as well with nicotine. So it's
Speaker 6: really the safest way that you can consume the product.
Speaker 6: And it's it's funny to see all of the restrictions
Speaker 6: when you can easily go and buy a pack of
Speaker 6: cigarette still, and so all of these, all of these
Speaker 6: barriers that we're putting up to a less harmful product
Speaker 6: and placing more taxes on it. It's it just does
Speaker 6: not make sense if the end goal is to have
Speaker 6: people consuming in a safer way. It really does seem
Speaker 6: like the end goal is prohibition and abstinence from any subject.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the other leg of the stool here
Speaker 2: between you know, companies and the government, of the fact
Speaker 2: of the the big business that is the health prevention people,
Speaker 2: the health the health people right. The Long Association Heard
Speaker 2: Association where Association amou BE is when the vaping trend
Speaker 2: started to take years and years ago. What surprised me
Speaker 2: is some of the same people that said, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we've got to sue tobacco companies out of existence, and
Speaker 2: they're they're killing people. They are being seemed a good
Speaker 2: way to wean yourself off of traditional tobacco. And yet
Speaker 2: they fought just as hard as they did against traditional tobacco,
Speaker 2: is it against vape? And some of them are fighting
Speaker 2: against nicotine pouches and I'm like, that's a much safer
Speaker 2: alternative to what you get. So if you, you know,
Speaker 2: if you stamp out the problem, not that you know,
Speaker 2: we I don't know what the smoking levels, but they're
Speaker 2: nowhere near where they used to be. Now your organization
Speaker 2: cees too. Is this so we have to find the
Speaker 2: next boogeyman in order to keep.
Speaker 6: Our funding exactly exactly And what they will never say
Speaker 6: is that they'll never point to the tobacco studies that
Speaker 6: are done at the national level that show our use
Speaker 6: in adult smoking rates are at a historic level. They
Speaker 6: will never point that out. And why is that? Because
Speaker 6: of new products like nicotine pouches, And they just want
Speaker 6: to demonize this because they think it's from the same
Speaker 6: old big tobacco of two decades before. And know these
Speaker 6: these are companies that want to have safer alternatives for
Speaker 6: their for their client base because they know what their
Speaker 6: consumers want. And I'll go when I testify on these
Speaker 6: issues to state legislators, the people that are arguing against
Speaker 6: against access to these good products are not based in reality.
Speaker 6: They really are, I think, just trying to keep their jobs,
Speaker 6: arguing against big tobacco.
Speaker 3: And their mind right.
Speaker 6: And they will argue that nicotine is as harmful and
Speaker 6: as substances like heroin, And I hear that line so
Speaker 6: many times and it's the funniest thing to me. But
Speaker 6: it's sad because they think it's rooted in reality.
Speaker 8: It's any bits.
Speaker 2: Laugh at the What we got to do is to
Speaker 2: save the children because children are being corrupted in their
Speaker 2: bank And do agree, you knowuse children should not be
Speaker 2: buying intoxicating hemp products your carry out, But that is
Speaker 2: not a reason to shut the entire industry down because
Speaker 2: somebody adults enjoy it. Uh, you know, whether it's THG
Speaker 2: drinks or nicotine pouches or vaping, it's the same predictable
Speaker 2: argument from the pearl clutters about, you know, protecting the show.
Speaker 2: We've got to shut that on protected children, damn it.
Speaker 2: With the adult market wants, we've got to do this
Speaker 2: to save the children, which they're doing at the behest
Speaker 2: of well, the big health organizations as we mentioned, as
Speaker 2: well as the big tobacco companies that are getting decreasing
Speaker 2: revenue from tobacco here in the States, and so they
Speaker 2: supplant that income and keep their shareholders happy with something else.
Speaker 2: With us Nicotine pouches are vape that shouldn't price out
Speaker 2: the little guy though, and that's what's happening here, whether
Speaker 2: it's fifty West or you know somebody who's selling vape
Speaker 2: juice to a local supplier. Anyway, Sophia Hamilton writing about
Speaker 2: this in Reason She's with a Young Voices and thanks again,
Speaker 2: soph We appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me on Scott.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Be well, good stuff there, and that's the libertary inside
Speaker 2: of me coming out. And I'm not saying you open
Speaker 2: it all up and it's a free There has to
Speaker 2: be reasonable amounts of testing to make sure the product's
Speaker 2: safe as safe as it could be, but it shouldn't
Speaker 2: take decad and it shouldn't be only available to the
Speaker 2: big pocketed companies. You can afford that Scott's Loan show
Speaker 2: with News on the way, and when we're returning, what
Speaker 2: the no King's protests refused to accept the protesters and
Speaker 2: I get what you're complaining about when I sort of do.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of people complaining about different things, and
Speaker 2: that's not one unified protest that just comes out as
Speaker 2: we hate Trump. We'll get into that next seven hundred
Speaker 2: WLW Scott Clone show, seven hundred weather. That lou Hes
Speaker 2: is fascinating, absolutely fascinating. That ladder leaning up against the
Speaker 2: building already, no one saw that coming. You saw a
Speaker 2: ladder there, I went. It's kind of security issue and
Speaker 2: somebody breaks in. When the what's seven to ten minutes
Speaker 2: took off with a portion of the French Crown jewels
Speaker 2: and Napoleon jewels, that's pretty Uh, it's actually pretty Pink Panther.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the Steve Martin one. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the Oldsco. If you're old enough, remember uh was
Speaker 2: that Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther movies?
Speaker 3: The minute that story broke. Well, you have France, we
Speaker 3: have a jewelized Where is inspector gluso?
Speaker 2: That's nothing med dig all right, go look it up, kids,
Speaker 2: go look it up. Home stretcher will he takes over
Speaker 2: at twelve o'clock. And this weekend we had the No
Speaker 2: Kings rally. I did, actually I did the Little King's
Speaker 2: rally myself. I was rallying for some Little Kings because
Speaker 2: start on Friday afternoon and don't until Saturday night. Anyway,
Speaker 2: looked like pretty decent turnouts this weekend if you're into
Speaker 2: protests and estimated I think they said seven million nationally,
Speaker 2: big group of people at small riverfront Park and elsewhere.
Speaker 2: And uh, I know our Republicans old brand. This is
Speaker 2: a hate America rally. I mean, come on, you know
Speaker 2: some people may hate America in that group, sure, but
Speaker 2: I mean one could say it's a hate America rally.
Speaker 2: You could say the same thing about Jay six, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to unsuccessfully subvert the Constitution. Because the MyPillow guy
Speaker 2: said so that just seems like hack politics and a
Speaker 2: hacked defense. I don't you know, I thought the No
Speaker 2: Kings rally was stupid for different reasons because typically in
Speaker 2: these things it's just the it's it's a bunch of
Speaker 2: aggrieved progressives with different causes and different you know, anger
Speaker 2: points and talking points and assorted beefs under the common
Speaker 2: threat of we hate Trump.
Speaker 3: And it's just more of the same.
Speaker 2: Participant groups include you had the a c LU there,
Speaker 2: you had teachers unions, you had the Human Rights Campaign,
Speaker 2: you had Indivisible and move on. I'm not quite you're indivisible,
Speaker 2: but move on, we know goes back to the move
Speaker 2: on from the war. Nonetheless, it's a bunch of people
Speaker 2: with various indifferent interests, but the same hate for Trump,
Speaker 2: I guess. And that doesn't to me. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: what else is new? What else do you have? It's
Speaker 2: not like one central thing. It's just well, you know
Speaker 2: what it is alone. It's fascism, That's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's fair. I mean, just look at the young
Speaker 2: Republican chats for example. It's fascism. It's you know, Trump's
Speaker 2: a lot of things, and some of it I like,
Speaker 2: some of it I don't like, but the whole tired
Speaker 2: fascism trope. I mean, every time there's a Republican it's fascist.
Speaker 2: Reagan was a fascist when I was younger, and then
Speaker 2: every Republican.
Speaker 3: Between is a fascist.
Speaker 2: It's Fascism is closer ideologically to communism, you know. So
Speaker 2: you have Marxist socialism, you have capitalism, liberal capitalism, that's
Speaker 2: a blend to that. So and then all you're doing
Speaker 2: is to you're taking public and private sectors and putting
Speaker 2: under a central government and central ideology. So privately, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can have private industry, but the ultimate authority is
Speaker 2: the state, and so you've got a lot of censorship.
Speaker 3: And I just I don't.
Speaker 2: See how someone who has a track record of being
Speaker 2: anti authoritarian and a capitalist is a fascist.
Speaker 3: That's again, Donald Ruby, Calma j you want.
Speaker 2: But fascist is such a it's such a character, that's incorrect,
Speaker 2: you know, Fascists witnes to point judges and jurists who
Speaker 2: want to minimize the authority of the federal government. It's
Speaker 2: exact opposite. The real problem, though, are the executive orders.
Speaker 2: Now we've had a decreased, believe it or not, of
Speaker 2: all things in the number of execut doors issue. If
Speaker 2: you look at presidencies over the last twenty years, and
Speaker 2: recent presidents have seemingly man they're just doing everything by
Speaker 2: executive order, which is sure like for the front part
Speaker 2: of the front loadings increased thematically, like Trump signed I
Speaker 2: think one hundred and forty three executive orders in the
Speaker 2: first hundred days, Franklin Roosevelt saying ninety nine. But by
Speaker 2: the way, Franklin Roosevelt is the goat when it comes
Speaker 2: to executive orders. He wrote over thirty seven hundred of
Speaker 2: them during his years as president. Of course, that spanned
Speaker 2: an ungodly amount of time. He was in office for
Speaker 2: like now forty five years, and you most you're going
Speaker 2: to get now is two two terms, so that with
Speaker 2: a grand assault. However, I think part of the issue
Speaker 2: here is the numbers have declined, but they become more political,
Speaker 2: and they're front loaded, and it's all part and partial descent,
Speaker 2: you know, to the politics. To discuss most of us,
Speaker 2: it'd be the partisan warfare. To just make a lot
Speaker 2: of sense, you can talk about well, for example, Obama himself,
Speaker 2: DHAKA is a Obama edict, so was a Clean Power Plan,
Speaker 2: but also the Affordable Care Act. A lot of that
Speaker 2: got done because well, let's face it, the executive order,
Speaker 2: and then Biden picked right back up on this other thing.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's subverting congresses. He's a titan, and
Speaker 2: he's a fascist because he's a king, because he just
Speaker 2: writes these executive orders.
Speaker 3: Hold up just a second. They're skipping now.
Speaker 2: You got to point that dirty under the stick at
Speaker 2: yourself somewhat here because your boy Biden, in his first
Speaker 2: mom signed I think twenty executive order. It was like,
Speaker 2: somewhere are on twenty in the first two days, I think,
Speaker 2: first forty eight hours, and he went nuts with the pen.
Speaker 2: And one of the things he was into was DEI.
Speaker 2: So this whole anti woke feeld that came about is
Speaker 2: because of he writing single handedly executive orders leading to
Speaker 2: the DEI policies that have been refuted now by Republicans
Speaker 2: who are in charge. It's like, okay, well, you're celebrating
Speaker 2: the fact that Biden expanded DEI training in that the
Speaker 2: you know, uh, there's equitable treatment in the government workforce
Speaker 2: when it comes to people, and uh, there's advanced pay
Speaker 2: to address racial and gender pay gaps and all this
Speaker 2: other noise and nonsense. Then about half the country more
Speaker 2: disagree with like the gender pay gap. Well, you know
Speaker 2: gender Okay, why do women make less than men. Well,
Speaker 2: women take time out to have kids, or they leave
Speaker 2: the workforce for a while and then raise kids and
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 3: To the workforce later, like my wife did. Should you
Speaker 3: just pick up where you left off?
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, just because of age, now you
Speaker 2: get x amount of how you get paid the same
Speaker 2: as a person who's been in that position a lot
Speaker 2: longer than you have to. No, of course that doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense. I mean, if that were the case,
Speaker 2: no one would ever hire a guy. Everyone in the workforce.
Speaker 2: If you're a woman, you're willing to work for less.
Speaker 2: You know, seventy seventy cents on seventy seven cents on
Speaker 2: the dollar. Companies above us want profit right, and if
Speaker 2: you look at the bottom lines, so well, why we're
Speaker 2: hiring guys.
Speaker 3: We just hired a bunch of women. They're willing to
Speaker 3: work for less.
Speaker 2: It's the same reason we outsourced jobs of different country
Speaker 2: is because of the wage scale. It's just the stupidest
Speaker 2: argument ever. But that's something he signed into law by
Speaker 2: executive order or Climate action for that matter. You know,
Speaker 2: cancel the first thing he did, cancel the Keystone XL pipeline. Well,
Speaker 2: how's that looking when we know we're getting our fuel
Speaker 2: from our enemies. How's that looking? Gas press up here?
Speaker 2: Four or five dollars? Again, not a good idea. It's
Speaker 2: not a good look, Joe. You know, you can wish
Speaker 2: that we're all in a new energy economy where everything's
Speaker 2: a windmill or a battery or whether the sun or whatever,
Speaker 2: but we're not anywhere close to doing that right now.
Speaker 2: We still live a good one hundred plus years of
Speaker 2: relying on petroleum. Just the way things are set up
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can't do better and work towards it.
Speaker 2: But again with the subsidy that winds up costing a
Speaker 2: lot more, and again with the pushing the agenda rather
Speaker 2: than reality. But the same people are out there protesting
Speaker 2: in the No King's rally, we're celebrating Joe Biden and
Speaker 2: Oba Barack Obama for Affordable Care Act, which is again
Speaker 2: more subsidy. But climate and DEI and all these things.
Speaker 3: Where were you?
Speaker 2: Why were you protesting the fascism in the king then
Speaker 2: when the king on your side, your king, was doing
Speaker 2: all this stuff. So I look at this and I
Speaker 2: just kind of smile and laugh because I realized the
Speaker 2: nonsensical nature of partisan politics and the culture wars feed
Speaker 2: into this whole narrative. You Ca'm sorry, it seems disingenuous
Speaker 2: to me for you to be protesting and burning an
Speaker 2: effigy the president, and I certainly am not the biggest
Speaker 2: Trump fan of this radio station. Some stuff I look
Speaker 2: at you go pretty good. Other stuff I look at
Speaker 2: you go, I don't get it. The tariff, I don't
Speaker 2: get it. Some of the stuff he says, I get it,
Speaker 2: But I'm calling it like I see it. And if
Speaker 2: you're gonna be out there upset that this guy is
Speaker 2: a dictator in your opinion, and a fascist and whatever
Speaker 2: other ist it is wrongly labeled, I'll add then I
Speaker 2: would suggest, Okay, where were you when your guy was
Speaker 2: doing this just a few years ago. Nowhere to be found,
Speaker 2: because it supported things that you believe in your core,
Speaker 2: and that indeed is the problem. That's why we need
Speaker 2: a rule of law and things to applot all of
Speaker 2: us the same way. I suppose it's like turning a
Speaker 2: blind eye towards our it's our guy, so he can
Speaker 2: cheat the system and do the same things. Now we're
Speaker 2: accusing the other side of you, much like what's going
Speaker 2: on with the Young Republicans tech scandal. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of outrage Democrats and enters our outrage Republicans too.
Speaker 2: But you know, let's not forget. We also just went
Speaker 2: through this period where we had we had lawmakers with
Speaker 2: some avowed anti semitism publicly being anti Semitic, and there
Speaker 2: wasn't any fallout from that from from your party or
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's assassination or anything along those lines. It's just,
Speaker 2: you know, you'll taller if you're drinking the political kool aid.
Speaker 2: You will tolerate your side's beliefs and then of course
Speaker 2: absolutely obliterate the other side when they're guilty of something
Speaker 2: that didn't defend you previously. It's just while the rest
Speaker 2: of us in the middle just throw our hands up
Speaker 2: and go, this is stupid. Where are we getting with
Speaker 2: all this? We're getting nowhere. And whether it's Trump or Biden,
Speaker 2: they both, you know, they using executive orders aggressively when
Speaker 2: there's gridlock. They got to focus on the core issues
Speaker 2: to their constituency. And you're going to get court challenges
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be some reversals in there as well.
Speaker 2: And now it seems like court spends a lot of
Speaker 2: time reversing the executive orders, and then this is why
Speaker 2: the President gets up and says, this is why we
Speaker 2: got to change things.
Speaker 3: Otherwise nothing can get done.
Speaker 2: And we've got this incredible gridlock in our country that
Speaker 2: I don't have to tell you have a government shutdown.
Speaker 2: That shutdown over well, an issue that's not going away
Speaker 2: anytime soon. As I pointed out, we're shutting the government
Speaker 2: down over the core issue is healthcare. And the reason
Speaker 2: why we're doing that is because it's the one single
Speaker 2: issue that Democrats have on their side. Everything else they
Speaker 2: lose to Trump and the GOP on when it comes
Speaker 2: to public opinion.
Speaker 3: They've got one thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's the equal pay thing, you know,
Speaker 2: workplace that that doesn't really that's not getting a lot
Speaker 2: of traction because look at how well women are doing
Speaker 2: from college on upward. You're excelling. Good for you, that's good. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I think it comes at the expense of a lot
Speaker 2: of young men. And at the same time, one of
Speaker 2: the other issues that they have is healthcare. They win
Speaker 2: on healthcare that they have a plan, No, they've got
Speaker 2: a band aid, they've got relief. A subsidy doesn't fix
Speaker 2: the problem that healthcare is too damn expensive. But at
Speaker 2: least it's something to go, Hey, we're giving you temporary
Speaker 2: relief to help you pay your healthcare bills. I talk
Speaker 2: to Republicans about this, and it's well, we need to
Speaker 2: get America healthy again. Okay, great, that's great. Well we
Speaker 2: also need to we have more accountability, and we need
Speaker 2: more competition. Okay, awesome, we need to do that. You're right,
Speaker 2: how does that pay my bill that's due tomorrow? And
Speaker 2: I think that's what most Americans look at, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get that the Affordable Care Act is broken and
Speaker 2: it's just a band aid fix. We're just taking money
Speaker 2: we don't have and spending it on this temporarily so
Speaker 2: you can get to the next page. It's like a
Speaker 2: paycheck loan for healthcare. It's what it is. It's gonna
Speaker 2: get It's not gonna solve the problem. It's going to
Speaker 2: get you to the next payday.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: But that's something that I think working people, a lot
Speaker 2: of Americans look at. Go, I don't like it. It
Speaker 2: cost us more money until we fix the problem. Fine,
Speaker 2: but we're not fixing the problem. And if Republicans have
Speaker 2: an alternative to healthcare. Sure would love to hear something
Speaker 2: rather than going, we got to make America healthy again. Great,
Speaker 2: we'll teach kids to eat carrots, we will tea which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I think Michelle Obama tried to do
Speaker 2: that and then she got left out of the building
Speaker 2: on republic.
Speaker 3: We're gonna make kids eat carrots again. Politics is such
Speaker 3: a joke. So I look at the whole thing and go,
Speaker 3: all right, well, what's the alternative. Well, we're gonna teach
Speaker 3: people how to take how to have a stake in
Speaker 3: their own health and so they do know need too much,
Speaker 3: and they do the right thing and they exercise.
Speaker 2: Awesome, That's that's one good. But what about the forty
Speaker 2: or fifty year old now that can't afford the subsidized healthcare,
Speaker 2: the healthcare without a subsidy. Those are great solutions and
Speaker 2: maybe ways to prevent future generations from me dependent on
Speaker 2: health care. But it doesn't fix the here and now,
Speaker 2: even temporarily. So I don't think that's much of a plan.
Speaker 2: It's a platitude, It's what it is. Why not just
Speaker 2: come out, let's say we're gonna blow the healthcare system up.
Speaker 2: The problem, of course, is it's going to be the
Speaker 2: lobby groups. It's going to be the healthcare insurance lobby,
Speaker 2: the doctor's lobby, the pharmaceutical lobby, lobby, lobby lobby that
Speaker 2: gets in the year of lawmakers, both on the left
Speaker 2: and right, and make sure that we have this crappy
Speaker 2: system because whether it's you know, single pair, double pair,
Speaker 2: triple pair, whatever, they're fat and happy, and so let's
Speaker 2: not rock the apple cart. The other thing I think, too,
Speaker 2: is that we don't fix the system simply because if
Speaker 2: there's any fallout whatsoever, the party that's responsible for enacting
Speaker 2: the changes, even though they may wholly be better than
Speaker 2: what we have right now, they're going to wind up
Speaker 2: paying in an election if somebody gets sick or somebody
Speaker 2: gets left out, or what about that. And you don't
Speaker 2: have carve outs either, So what's the point of having
Speaker 2: a politician. Whole goal of politics and politicians are what
Speaker 2: is it? Get carve out subsidy and relief for your voters,
Speaker 2: not the other guy, but your voters. And so I
Speaker 2: just don't see a system or healthcare changes anytime soon.
Speaker 2: The simple solution would be to go you're no longer
Speaker 2: allowed to provide healthcare in your workplace, I take an
Speaker 2: executive order, take some big stones too, and it's pretty
Speaker 2: ballsy to go all right, you're not in the business
Speaker 2: of supplying healthcare, go find it on the free market,
Speaker 2: and that would incre competition, it reduced costs, transparency, other
Speaker 2: government nonsense of go away. And then the people who
Speaker 2: really fell between the cracks, which is a lot of people,
Speaker 2: by the way, we could afford to pay health care
Speaker 2: for them and I and still have money left over
Speaker 2: to put towards the deficit. It's an easy solution. But
Speaker 2: the problem is lobbyist, it's Congress, it's politics that are ingrained,
Speaker 2: and this is why we'll have more of the same.
Speaker 2: And for most of us, it's just frustrating, a frustrating
Speaker 2: exercise in a sense that you know, we can see
Speaker 2: a way to make a change here, and that is
Speaker 2: make more of a libertarian kind of argument and going
Speaker 2: you buy your health insurance on the free market, as
Speaker 2: you do your current insurance, your renter's insurance, your life insurance, whatever, insurance,
Speaker 2: insurance for your dog. It's all on the market. It's transparent,
Speaker 2: it's easy, you pay for it out of your own pocket.
Speaker 2: Used to be that way, and then we attach it
Speaker 2: to employment, and that's a whole nother thing, especially the
Speaker 2: gig economy, because now people want to do their own
Speaker 2: thing and not have to do a nine to five,
Speaker 2: which is a huge boon for our economy. On top
Speaker 2: of this as well, save money and grower economy. Sounds
Speaker 2: like a plan, but this is where we stand right now.
Speaker 2: So the No Kings, Little King's protest, whatever it is, again,
Speaker 2: it's just more of the same, more noise, a bunch
Speaker 2: of a grieved people with the only commonality between them
Speaker 2: is a fact they don't like Donald Trump because he's
Speaker 2: a fascist, although he's really not. And when our guide
Speaker 2: did the same thing with executive orders, we just turned
Speaker 2: a blind eye, which is the hypocrisy of politics. This
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