WEBVTT - 10-20-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.279 Do you want to be an American idiot? 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.360 He's got a Flowe show on seven hundred WLW that 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.480 we got some breaking news to share with you this 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.760 morning about crime in Cincinnati. Robert Shaw has now been 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.200 charged in the murder with that drive by shooting. He 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:15.800 killed a thirty four old man by the name of 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.599 Justin Johnson right after Thursday night football. This is on 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.720 Sycamore in front of the in Between Tavern. Happened about 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.440 two am, so people are still downtown celebrating the Big 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.080 Bengals when Shaw was wearing an ankle monitor at the time. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.240 Does the story sound familiar? 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:30.680 Sure? 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.720 And the reason why I was under a house arrest 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.000 so to speak, was carried concealed weapon, illegal gun possession 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.680 and here he is being held on that, being about 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.760 to go and trial on that, and now he's out 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.199 there doing it again. So initially he was released on 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.280 a twenty thousand dollars bond with the electronic monitoring that 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.640 was back in June. Also, the suspect in the Fountain 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.920 Square shooting last week has turned himself in. Twenty four 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.840 year old Shaquille Ferguson said it's self defense because the 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.840 people that he shot at through the window of City 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.160 Chicken on Fountain Square were actually armed themselves and pointing 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.480 a gun at him. The only problem with that argument 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.520 from Clyde Bennett is that mister Ferguson was already on 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.959 probation in July for a violent crime, which means he's 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.160 under disability and shouldn't have had the gun that he 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.880 shot the window out and at the people to the 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.560 City Bird. So we're back to this question. Is our 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.600 probation and monitoring system completely broken and beyond repair? On 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.240 that is the honorable Betsy Sunderman, She's a judge in 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.080 Hamlin County, joining the show to discuss here on seven 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:30.160 hundred WLW. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.600 How are you good morning, I'm great, how are you? 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.800 I'm doing final though you hear these stories, I'd love 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.440 to not be talking about violent crime in Cincinnati. But 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.760 you know, we have shoes dropping and now we know 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.120 the backgrounds of the individuals and jackets on Robert Shaw 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.120 and Shaquille Ferguson. You have two people yet again that 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.400 should not be armed by law, and yet there they are. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.080 Yeah, exactly, And if there's, if there are any issues 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.720 with probation monitoring right now, it is interesting for your 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:04.120 lists to know who is in charge of the probation officers. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.960 It's the judges. The judges hire the probation officers and 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.880 make sure they're doing their jobs. So if we're having 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.920 issues with probation monitoring, I mean, I haven't heard this 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.079 issue before in the past. And it's interesting. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:20.840 Now we have a. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.240 Lot of Democrat judges who are in charge of the 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.600 probation department and that seems to be the big change, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.440 and now we're not very happy with probation monitoring. So, 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:37.639 for example, about a month ago, the Democrat majority of 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.360 judges and Common Police Criminal Court decided to get rid 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.960 of some of these, well all of the probation substations. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.519 So there used to be these substations in the most 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.600 violent neighborhood and people who are on probation could go 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.320 meet with those probation officers there, and the probation officers 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.799 could set up shop there and they could visit people 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.760 in their homes. But now the Democrat judges have gotten 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.360 rid of those and they said, well, it's more efficient 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.200 because now our probation officers can all be downtown. Well 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.120 that's true, maybe it's more efficient, as far as you know, 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.120 they don't have to drive places, but they're not able 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.360 to monitor people. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:18.639 They're not in the community. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.040 So now they got it a far further to monitor 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.480 the people instead of being in the neighborhood. It'd be 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.760 kind of like just having one big police station district 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.040 one as opposed to the multi different districts in and 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.400 around Cincinnati. For cops, you put them where the people 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:33.239 in the crimes. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.200 Are exactly, and if they're visiting people in their homes, 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.720 then people are picking up more violations when the probation 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:46.280 officers are seeing things in their home. So of course 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.320 the stats are going to show a year from now 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.920 that there are fewer probation violations, but that's because the 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:57.240 monitor monitoring is going to be subpar, and as we 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.720 see the monitoring get worse and worse, we're going to 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.040 see people out there offending. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:03.880 For example. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.560 I mean, I really can't speak specifically to a case, 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.360 but if there's a case where someone, for example, is 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.880 on the ankle monitor but has privileges for something, sometimes 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.760 it's hard to monitor those privileges. So like let's say 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.320 I was on an ankle monitor and I had privileges 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.680 to go to work. Well, that's easy because I work 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.880 at one location and I work from the same time 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.160 I start and the same time I end every day. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.760 But a lot of people don't have jobs like that. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.600 A lot of people, you know, maybe they work construction, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.600 or they work at a hospital, or they work odd hours. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.200 And how do you monitor someone when they always say, well, 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.280 I was on my way to a construction job. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.400 Or in the cases this is Betsy Sunderman ferguson the 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.640 Fountain Square shoot at Teddy Bird. This young man has 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.479 a two cases pending for aggravated assault, both with a 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:59.000 weapon specification. There he shot someone two days prior, allegedly 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.960 in Northside before he shot the window out in Fountain 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.039 Square and shout at the people there, And yet he 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.159 was on probation from the other one saying, hey, listen, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.800 as long as you're out looking for a job, it's fine. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.200 I don't know if that's a good idea. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.120 You turn your application at City Bird and then turn 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.640 around and shoot their window out, albeit not to shoot 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.360 at the bird's window, shoot the people in the bird. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.760 But still, I'm pretty sure, you know, if I'm doing 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.000 the hiring that kind of behaviors frowned upon. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.000 Yeah, I guess it depends what kind of job they're 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.560 trying to book, but it's unlikely that that would meet 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:29.560 the job description. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:29.920 Right. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.800 But by having these rules that seem really tough, but 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:39.120 then not enforcing them properly, this is the way that 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:44.080 the politicians can say we're combating crime but really doing nothing. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:49.840 For example, like the mayor and his juvenile curfew. Whenever 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.360 a juvenile either shoot someone or get shot, he says, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.640 we're going to tighten up this curfew. But then if 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.040 you look at the actual rules of the juvenile curfew, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.320 it says if a child is out, if someone under 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.560 eighteen is out and they say that they're on their 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.640 way to work or on their way home from work, 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.000 you can't make them go home, or you can't violate 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.320 them for the curfew. If they say that they are 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:19.320 exercising their First Amendment rights, which could be the freedom 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.640 of speech, assembly, they could freedom of the. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:24.560 Press, to. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:27.000 Church. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:28.920 They're on their way to church, Betsy, when they shot 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.839 that person exactly. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.760 And then even if the kid says, you know, I'm 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.840 not I have no exception that fits, then the police 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.240 all they can do is say, you know, we'd really 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.640 like you to go home. And if the kid says no, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.040 Then they'd say, well, we'd really like you to go 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.120 to this, uh, this rec center, and if the kid 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.880 says no, they can't, they can't do anything. So it's 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.200 great that the mayor's on TV saying we're tightening up 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.240 this curfew. If if you're there and you're doing anything bad, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.000 we're going to arrest. But it's just not playing out 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:02.880 like that, all right. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.680 Betsy Sunderman, Judge Sunderman is here on the show, and 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.240 we're talking about probation and monitoring systems. Are they broken 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.520 beyond repair? Robert Shaw, that was the man who's now 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.760 been charged the drive by shooting. They killed thirty year 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.360 old Justin Johnson after Thursday night football right right near 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.880 the in between tavern on Thursday night Friday morning. He 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.000 was already out on a lot. He was wearing the 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.440 ankle monitor at the time he shot the individual in 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.600 the car. Justin Johnson form what I understand. People I 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.280 know knew this guy and said, yeah, he's a professional, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.840 you know, seemed to be an upstanding guy. I don't 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.160 know why he and Robert Shaw got into a beef 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.080 and what was over. We don't know that, but the 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.080 background is not Justin Johnson is not a street criminal. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.000 He's a professional, or was a professional before he was 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.800 murdered in the Shaquille Ferguson shooting a City Bird chicken. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.280 He was armed again, had priors, who's out on probation 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.240 for a violent crime, and he shot the window out 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.440 and trying to shoot at the people inside City Bird. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.680 His attorney, Clyd Bennett cle m self defense. We'll see 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.560 about that. I'm not quite sure how that works within 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.760 the law. If you're prohibited from having a weapon because 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.800 you're on probation and you shoot at someone, I'm not 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.720 quite sure that that is going to it's it's not 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.080 like ofsetting penalties in the NFL. And then you play 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.080 it over in that regard to Betsy sentiment though, And 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.040 I think it's interesting in pointing out, because we've talked 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:21.000 about the problem in its progressivism in Cincinnati. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:21.840 That that's fueling this. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.360 It's because we want to hands off no bail policy 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.120 and we want to be kindler and gentlemen people who 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.920 are suspected at crimes because their life is already difficult, 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.280 and well, it just gives the sociopaths out there more 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.280 license to do stuff like this. I will point out, however, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.320 in both those cases in Sean Ferguson, those are both 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.800 conservative Republican judges that ordered them on monitoring, and that 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.360 would be Judge dink Locker and Judge Ruleman. Does that 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.679 change the math a little bit on. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.480 This, Well, I'll tell you those are two of the 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.320 judges who give the biggest bombs. So without being able 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.120 to talk to I can't call them and ask them 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.439 about the case and then talk about it on the video, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.320 right right, But I would trust that those judges would 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:08.480 set appropriate bonds. There's a trifecta that kind of effects 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.560 every time someone's upset about someone being on parole or 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.400 probation and being out there and committing crimes. There's a 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.720 trifecta that affects all this. There's the police, there's the 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:24.120 probation department, and the judges. So the police are controlled by, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.920 of course the police chief, who is controlled by the 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.800 city manager, who is ultimately controlled by the mayor. So 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.720 the police department is controlled by the mayor. And then 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.080 we have probation, which I already told you is controlled 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.280 by the judges, the now liberal Democrat judges. And then 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.479 we have the judges themselves, which are now a majority 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:51.400 Democrat liberal judges, so that basically the two groups that 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.080 are controlling all this is the mayor, the city manager, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.800 the city administration, and the liberal judges. So if we're 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.600 seeing a big change, those are the big changes. Of course, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.640 we've had a Democrat mayor for probably fifty years, right, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.199 but the way the mayor is affecting the police department 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:16.240 is different than ever before. And then all having a 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.800 majority liberal, progressive Democrat judges is new for us in 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:21.600 Hamilton County. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.480 Look look look at it, and a lot of look at 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.720 how the mayor's office impacted the brawl, and that he 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.439 was demanding that the white guy be charged because he's 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.840 a white guy and we've got to balance things out racially. Apparently, 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.719 if yourest a personal caller, you got aggressed a white guy, 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.719 even though he was the victim. Clearly this whole thing, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.520 and no one wanted to write that citation and unfortunately 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.360 made a captain down at the Central Business dictor to 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.120 it who wasn't even on the scene. To show you 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.880 how politically motivated those charges were. Just to appease the 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.000 vocal contingent of folks in the community who were screaming 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.720 about restorative justice, which is which is a farce. But 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.960 relative to Robert Shaw, I don't know. This may be 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.679 a tough question you can eat answer to you can. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.120 I understand you have a canon of ethics you have 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.079 to abide by. You can't criticize other judges. But in 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.720 the shawcase, this is a drive by from Thursday night 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.720 football in from of the in Between that was under 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.199 Judge Dinkelocker. The guy Robert Shaw was on a twenty 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.440 thousand dollars bond with electronic monitoring and this was from 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.520 a case back in June. His jacket is this nineteen 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.040 ninety eight six months in prison for coke possession, two 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.840 thousand and three six months for concealed weapon, illegal guns, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.400 receiving spilling Property RSP, and then twenty eleven and then 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.360 again in twenty fifteen he did prison time for a 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.560 llegal gun possession. He got twenty thousand dollars bond, an 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.160 electronic monitoring out and murdered someone while he was wearing 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.719 the ankle monitor. What would you prescribe what would you 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.240 prescribe as a punishment for Robert Shaw? If we're in 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.240 front of you, let's say, and he was already out 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.320 on bond for another shooting. How many more times do 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.240 you give someone a chance to get out on bond 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.760 even though they have priors involving a weapon, because it 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.400 tells me they're probably just going to do something with 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:58.720 a gun. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.680 Again, Yeah, I mean. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.000 What do you? 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.800 I mean, what do you do with someone who clearly 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.200 is never going to put down a gun? 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:05.480 Right? 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.319 I mean, this guy, it sounds like he's been in 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.720 prison quite a few times for having guns. He just 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:15.160 keeps he just keeps picking up a gun, right. I mean, again, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.680 I can't speak to this exact case, but I do 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:24.640 trust judge take a locker and if he set that bond, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.480 I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I can't 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.000 really speak to a specific case. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.600 Well what were you? What would you done? 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:31.880 Now? 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.760 Again, you have the hindsight that this guy's going to 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.880 murder someone over apparently it's just a beef. It doesn't 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.600 look like they knew each other at this point. We'll 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.959 find out. But what And you can't look in the 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.480 crystal ball and say, well, he's going to go out 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.360 and murder someone. You don't know that because there are 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.560 probably countless people are in the situations that going down 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.840 and do it. But we're talking about stopping this from 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.920 happening in the first place. Should we just say, hey, listen, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.440 you already had a gun. Speck you go right to 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.400 You're going to hold you and you're not going to 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:55.599 get out, and you're not going to be able to 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.640 walk around. And you decide to do something stupid with 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.840 a gun and you shouldn't have a gun. You're going 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.200 to sit in jail until your trial. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:04.959 Yeah, well, I mean I would want to look at 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:09.000 his pre trial services sheet. So every single person who's 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.280 arrested and put into the jail and has an arraignment 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.600 the next morning in front of a judge, a municipal 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:19.920 judge and pre trial services interviews the person and sees 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.360 if they're a flight risk, sees how much money they 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.400 could afford for a bond. They ask them a million 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:31.000 different questions about drugs and guns and family members and 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.719 community ties and do they have a job, that kind 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.040 of stuff. And the judge is able to look at 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.960 that sheet. The prosecutor is not able to look at 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.800 that sheet. I know that because I used to work 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.679 in that courtroom. One thing that we could do is 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.640 we could give everyone access to that information that might 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:54.000 be very helpful. I'm sure some of the new prosecutors 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.880 have different strategies than when I was a prosecutor there 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:58.480 because now they have a different boss. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:00.960 So I don't know. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:06.640 I mean, giving everyone maximum information and maybe giving the 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.360 media more information. I know the media doesn't see those 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.040 pre trial services sheets. I'm not saying those should be 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.160 turned over to the media, but usually that docket is 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.360 very rapid, and the media kind of leaves confused, like, well, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.360 why did one person get a low bond and one 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:29.080 person get a high bond? Right, So maybe making some 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:30.760 of that more accessible. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.560 Why isn't I shared with the prosecutor if anyone else. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:37.760 Yeah, I don't know. It's a good question. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:38.800 I don't know. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.520 I should know that, but then it should be shared 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.920 with the defense attorney. If you can't share something just 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.400 with the prosecutor and not the defense attorney discovery, I 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.160 don't know. Maybe there's no time. I mean, it's a 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.920 very quick docket. I mean, it's probably not as quick 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.200 as it used to be because we not as many 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.080 people are arrested because there aren't that many people in 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.200 our jail anymore. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.280 But well, I remember, was it long ago under Sheriff 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.440 Simon LEAs, and I know he's revered in this community. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.840 I think there's something he did was way overreaching. I mean, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.280 like you know, but he was tough on crime for sure. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.400 And I remember having discussions about we need a bigger jail, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.280 we need more jail space because we can't house all 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.880 the people. You don't hear that conversation anymore, and that was, like, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.440 you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, it's because 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:25.840 we're not holding people anymore. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.480 Right, twenty years ago, sy Lease used to meet with 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.920 all the judges and say, listen, we are bursting at 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.360 the themes. I'm going to have to create some new 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:40.080 work details and things so we can let the least 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:44.840 violent people out earlier. And the judges would respond, you know, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.480 do what you need to do. We're going to do 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.560 what we need to do. You know, we're not going 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.440 to change our sentences. But you know, if you don't 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.200 have room, you got to do what you need to do. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.720 I can't imagine that conversation is happening now where the 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.760 sheriff is saying we don't. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.520 Have any room. I never hear it, right, But even if. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.680 We did try to arrest another two hundred people to 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.160 fill up the jail. We don't have sheriff's deputies, we 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.400 don't have enough corrections officers. Police officers have told me 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.760 when they arrest juveniles now and they bring them to 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.040 juvenile jail at twenty twenty, we call it twenty twenty. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.680 Auburn Avenue that most often twenty twenty just says we're 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.160 not going to keep them. We just don't have enough employees. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.640 We just can't keep them. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.680 Yeah, Well, I don't know. Is it a policy issue? 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:39.120 Is it a staffing issue. Is it people are vilifying 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.880 police correction officers and then no one wants to do it, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.640 and then that's fulfilled the plan to be understaffed and 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.040 to not be able to lock people up. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:50.440 I don't know. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.760 If you look at the climate and CPD right now, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.560 we've got a huge number of officers retiring, even at early ages, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.640 because they can't stand all the politics and the bs 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.680 and what the mayor's office and how much control they 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.560 have and how their hands are tied in a lot 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.440 of cases. And they go to a suburban office or 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.760 trying to do a little recruiting, and I understand it's 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.479 difficult because people go well the money's good, but you 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.040 know what, on the job in Cincinnati, I'd rather stay 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.480 where I am. It's not attractive to them because the 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.879 climate created by the political ecosystem in Hamlin County, but 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.720 specifically in the city of Cincinnati. She is a judge, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.439 Betsy Senderman, who's running for office this cycle. Will know 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.360 in a couple of weeks if she wins. But it's 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.159 it's a tough job. But we've got to reform this 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.119 system because ankle monitor the grant and there are probably 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.399 thousands and thousands of people out there that abide by 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.080 the terms of the deal they made with the judge 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:39.920 and are trying to do the right thing. But how 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.960 do we segregate the most violent people? And I'd say, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.439 if you have a gun specification history of priors with 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.320 guns like this Robert schaugu I did, then I don't 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.399 understand why we're giving you house arrest essentially because chances 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:51.880 are you're going to break it. I think, if it's 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.280 a gun speck, we already have laws in the books. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.480 Let's enforce federal law that if you're prohibited because of 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.040 a felony prior felony from owning a firearm possessing a firearm. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.199 Then you go to jail right away and there is 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.800 no release, there is no ankle monitoring going on, because 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.840 you're a menace to society. Betsy Siderman, I always appreciate 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.080 the time and the insight. Thanks again. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.400 You have a wonderful day, Judge Clown, I like it. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.080 No, I'm not going back to school. You ain't gonna 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.399 get me there. Hell no, I'm not taking out more 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.440 student loans. I'm I'm on the wrong side of fifty 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:24.800 and I just finished paying mine off. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:25.760 Bets Yah the. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.680 Best, Take care, see you later. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:28.080 All right. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.360 We got a news update coming in momentarily and we'll 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.199 chop it up next about what you just shared here. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.240 Surprise surprise, guys out on ankle monitors and house arrest 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:37.879 and they're out shooting people. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.119 This is what this is. This is the government we 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.560 deserve because we elected them. Seven hundred w well them, 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.280 Scott flu Shows seven hundred w al them. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.720 So I'm coming off of this foot surgery thing with 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.920 my ruptured perineal tendon that they had to sew back 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.600 to my foot. I've been barely walking around motion somewhere 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.080 on that because I'm stupid that's why, why why wohl't 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:02.640 you get that fixed? 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:02.920 Right? It? 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:07.360 Because I'm dumb. Pain is my business. I embraced pain 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.320 like a second cup of coffee. Just dumb is what 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.320 it is. So I got the boot out. I've got 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.520 the walking with that scooter. You put your knee on, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.119 your roll around. It's got a little basket on the 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:18.919 front of it. Could put bourbon and snacks in there. 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:19.480 It's nice. 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:20.679 Uh. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.760 And then the you know, the walking booth, the soft 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.720 cast and then crutches of course too, and so anything 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:27.480 takes a lot longer to run down the hall the 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.720 second to grab something I've forgotten, Like, I just can't 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.080 walk there. I have to hobble there, tiny Tim on 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.960 his crutches. And uh, you know, of all the great 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.520 medical advances we've had, and we have medical advances coming 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.760 out day to day. I mean, it's incredible. I always 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.240 make fun of the you know, the prescription ads on TV. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.560 A bunch of fat, happy people dancing around at a 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.040 flea market somewhere outdoor festivals, singing about something or another. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.760 I don't know what's making them so happy enough to sing, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.760 whatever illness it is they have. I have no idea, 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.800 but they seem rather happy. And whatever it is they're 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.639 trying to sell you to ask your doctor about. You 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.280 have no idea what it does, what it's for. But 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.199 damn it, I gotta write that down because the jingle's catchy, 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.560 and those people that are dancing look very happy. I 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.560 need me some happy joy juice, if you know what 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.719 I mean. So we have all these modern miracle all 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.359 these inventions. Now you're fat, We've got GLP one. Now 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.200 get an injection thirty five pounds. Like it's nothing, isn't it? 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:23.480 Great? 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:29.439 Technology solves everything? But there's one area that we have 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.000 not addressed. Where's one area that seems to be like this, 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.600 somebody can make billions of dollars. They came up with 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:40.320 an alternative to crutches. Crutches have been around forever the 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.800 Civil War veterans. You know you got you gotta a 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.680 scratch air in your leg and one of that doctor 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.280 comes in and cuts your leg off. As there's all 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.000 you don't want the gang green. That's really bad. We're 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.560 gonna cut your leg off. Here, bite this bullet and 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.360 we're gonna cut your leg off with no anesthetic whatsoever. Okay, um, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:58.920 it's still the same technology. It still something goes into 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.720 your armpit helps you walk. Like all these years, you 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:04.439 think they would have come up with an alternative, a 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.199 better solution than crutches. And the crutch that I have, 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.040 it's aluminum. It's got a little rubbery thing at the 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.040 top and a grap certainly like the wooden ones they 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.720 had handed out back during the Civil War. But it's 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.920 the same design. And I don't care how much foam 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.600 you put under your armpit. It your armpits wearing a mire. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:23.879 I've worn up by any of that armpit replacement at 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.200 this point, and it's only been five weeks. But there 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:32.400 is something that really needs to be reimagined and rediscovered. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.320 And I know we have walkers now, and there's the 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.880 canes with the tripod with the tennis balls on it. Man, 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:38.560 it's still a cane. 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:39.080 I get it. 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:40.919 And I have you have one of those knee scooters 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.399 you rolled on ane scooter, but the knee scooter. I'm 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.240 driving myself now and I got to take my boot 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.320 off getting the car, and it's getting the scooter out. 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.679 I barely get the crutches out let alone. A fifty 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.879 pound scooter. It's nice, it's just not portable. It's just 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:55.560 not easy. There's got to be a better Somebody need 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.280 to be working on that. If you want to make 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.200 a lot of money. DME is a categor or a 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.840 durable medical equipment because the up charge with the chargers 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.120 things a small fortune. But the crutch has been around 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.760 for hundreds of years. That's something that somebody needs to 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.000 look at and go, can we make a better version 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.840 of Can we do something to make it easier unless 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.119 wear and tearing your armpits and your wrists than the 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:22.359 good old crutch? Just some low hanging fruit there for 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:27.120 somebody who is aggressive and smart and an engineer type. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.600 You want to make some money, think about redoing the 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:34.360 crutch the crutch. I just had the honorable Betsy Sunderman 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.960 on the show on seven hundred WLW the latest on 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.200 the downtown violence. And you know it wouldn't be a 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.120 Monday if we didn't wake up and talk about more 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:46.760 downtown violence. In the two cases in particular here Robert 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:48.960 Shaw the one charge in the drive by shooting that 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:50.560 killed a thirty four old man by the name of 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.560 Justin Johnson right after Thursday night football on Sycamore Street 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:54.800 by the way near the in between. I guess that 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:59.600 would be this guy was wearing an ankle monitor and 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.439 an ankle monitor out on twenty thousand dollars bond, by 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.040 the way, because he was carrying concealed weapon and illegal 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.959 gun possession. The shooting at Fountain Square involving twenty year 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.760 old Shaquille Ferguson, this is the thick guy who fired 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.000 the shots into the window of Ceedybird Chicken now claims 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.080 it was He's turned himself in by the way at 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.879 the behest to Clyde Bennett, his attorney, and Clyde Bennett 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:21.879 is pulling the it was self defense. The people who 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.280 shot through the window of Ceedybird Chicken were actually armed 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:25.880 and pointing a gun at him. 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:26.240 He said. 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.399 The video hasn't be released because it's part of a 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:30.359 political cover up. 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:31.399 They don't want you to hear this. 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.880 Now other things in Cincinnati, the way progressive politics are, 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:37.760 is it the one that you wouldn't release that video? 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.879 Why to make this guy look bad, to advance the 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:43.560 narrative that violence is running rampant in downtown and Fountain Square. 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:48.200 Now you do the exact opposite. It doesn't make much sense. 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:49.479 And not only that, I don't know how you can 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:53.480 get away with a self defense argument when in fact 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.960 your client is in possession of a gun he shouldn't 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.520 had in the first place because he was on probation 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.600 in July for a violent crime. So I think the 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.400 bigger question, in addition to the fact that the two 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.800 judges in the Shaw and the Ferguson case are both 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.520 Republicans and dinkele locker enrollment, is that the system itself 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:14.520 is broken. It doesn't work because if you can say 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:16.000 I'm going to go find a job, I'm going to 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:17.960 do this, I'm going to report to my probation officer. 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:24.040 And we've seen countless people, countless people who marchai Black. 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.480 For example, with the murder of Patrick Herringer, you know, 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.440 shouldn't have been out and airy was community control, cut 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:31.920 the ankle monitor off, we got a murder, and it's 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.520 been a steady drum beat to that all summer. I 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.320 was doing a little bit more looking in research and 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.399 in some states they've actually addressed this issue. In some 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.840 states now in areas actually they're cracking down and saying, 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:43.040 you know what, we got to get tougher when it 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.119 comes to people who violate while wearing ankle monitor or 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.720 make it tougher for someone to qualify to wear the 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.320 ankle monitor. If you look at the grand scheme, the 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.800 number of people who are on quote unquote house arrest 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:56.560 in Hamlin County, it's in the tens of thousands. But 0:24:57.880 --> 0:24:59.960 in that regard that it's just a few of them 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.760 who are violating and getting out and committing more crimes 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.879 while they're allegedly on house arrest. So that's not lost 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:10.080 on me, but there is. And these aren't exactly conservative 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:15.520 hotbeds either. Washington, d C. New Mexico, Florida is one 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.000 of them. Florida implemented stricter criteria for pre trial detention. 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.880 I think the one that to me carries a lot 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.880 of weight here and looking at what's going on in Florida, 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:29.200 for example, that it's a house build that I don't 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.440 know it's past yet. But anyway, if you're in being 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.680 held for a dangerous crime for first degree fela in 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:38.640 his heart, which should be capital murder, life felonies, dangerous crimes, 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.600 things like that, if you're arrested for a dangerous crime, 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.360 that's a capital felony, life felony of first degree felony. 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.119 The state has to follow motion for pro prile detention, 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.159 and so the court has to find what they call 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:54.280 substantial probability that they committed the offense, and not only 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.720 he said, she said, but pretty clear evidence this person 0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:00.399 is the right person. And if that's the case, you 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:04.120 get no release whatsoever because of well, what we're talking 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:08.280 about here. You can't have non monetary release, which is 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:12.120 the no Bell thing, but the discretion about electronic monitoring. 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:14.000 You have to have monetary bonds. You have to have 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:15.760 a lot of cash but down which most of them 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.600 can't afford. So it's a strict one. It mandates detention 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:23.439 for serious crimes and eliminates the option of cash. No 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.720 cash bail eliminates that. I think that's a step in 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.680 the right direction. I think that's something we need here 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.520 in Ohio and specifically Cincinnati. Address what we're talking about here. 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.520 I can't speak for Cleveland and Columbus and other cities. 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.640 I can speak for Cincinnati. And the idea is that 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.280 these people who are arrested and have long histories. Is 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.200 the case of mister Shaw, which is the guy who 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.959 murdered the person on Thursday night football. After Thursday night Football, 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.880 the in between sitting in his car. Is this guy 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:54.600 had a lot of priors, you know, six months for 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.520 cocaine back in the nineties, in two thousand and three, 0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.520 six months for a concealed weapon and illegal gun possession 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.320 because of the cocaine would prohibit him from having or 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.080 looking at or thinking about a gun at any time 0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.560 in his life. And then in twenty eleven and twenty 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.800 fifteen he did more time for a legal gun possession. 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.360 You got the coke possession, You went to prison for that, 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.960 then he got out, and then within a few months 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.400 of that, you had to conceal weapon on you, okay, 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:20.560 and then you did time for that, and he got out, 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:22.720 and a few years went by, and then within four 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:24.040 year period you did it twice. 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:24.600 I don't know. 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.320 To me, if you had three priors where you had 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.640 a weapon under distability, why the hell are we giving 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.920 anyone who is like that, even if it's a high 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:38.879 bond electronic monitoring in the first place, It just to me, 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:40.719 they seem extremely dangerous. 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:40.840 Now. 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.560 I understand right to a speedy trial, and I get that, 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.600 but maybe making the bond about higher I don't know 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:48.920 if that would have stopped anything, but probably not. Hell, 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.679 it tells me a lot. When you are you have 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.720 the ankle monitor on you, you're not even cutting it off. 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.960 You're out there shooting people while you got the ankle 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.520 monitor on. Not particularly bright. It's going to send you 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.399 back to prey, isn't but probably back to prison for 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.000 a few years ago, back out, and you know what, 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.640 you'll do it again. It's like Joe Peshian Casino, I'm 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:11.040 stupid that way. Prison is my business. Apparently business is good. 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:15.000 I guess other states like New Mexico and in Washington 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.760 do things similar to this, not as extremist is in Florida, 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:19.680 but you can make a case look at that, going 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.920 why are we releasing these people who have have gun priors? 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.080 And then you hear folks like my friend Anna Alby 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.040 who was on last week talking about how we need 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:29.800 stricter gun la we need tougher gun laws. 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:30.280 No, we don't. 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.840 If I'm sorry, If you got busted for distributing cocaine, 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.359 possession with an intent to distribute, distributing cocaine, you go 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.520 to prison for that, that's felling, which means a lot 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.680 of things, but primarily the big one is you're not 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.840 allowed to have a gun in your possession. Okay, it 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.520 ends right there. There's no I'm sorry, there's what tougher 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:50.440 gun law do you need? 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:50.760 Then? 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.400 The bad guys, if you're convicted of felony, you can't 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.240 have a gun, And we have countless people as a 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:56.880 matter of fact, all the people just about it. I 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.959 think all of the people that we've talked about involving 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.880 these crimes that have given Fountain Square in particularly the 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.960 Central Business District and Cincinnati black eye, all of them, 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:11.720 I don't think, without exception, have had prior felonies that 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:16.080 would prohibit them from possessing a firearm. That seems like 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:20.400 a pretty tough law. Making more laws isn't going to 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.760 stop that. We have a law that says, well, you're 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.200 on house arrest and you're out on bond, you can't 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.840 do the things you're doing. And yet people with the 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:32.280 monitor on are killing people. That's a pretty strict control. 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.000 I would think, I don't care what the court says. 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.720 I don't care what I signed my life away, and 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.760 I don't care that I struck a deal. I don't care. 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.840 All I care is about immediate gratification. And God only knows. 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:44.600 Because we're starting to hear more and more come out 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.760 about the thirty four year old man who is murdered 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.160 on Thursday, well Friday morning, Thursday night, right after football 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:55.080 and Sycamore. And this guy, I guess is a professional 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.800 in some capacity. It wasn't like he was another street thug, 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.640 probably with what happened with Shaquille Ferguson City Bird, that 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.760 he saw other street thugs out there, and they street 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:04.800 thugs kill each other. You want to kill each other, 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.640 do it in an area where there's no one around, don't 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.479 do it on Fountain Square. But in the case of 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.600 mister Shaw, Robert Shaw, I don't know if it was 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.920 a beef that spilled over from during the game or 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.640 maybe the in between or parking our argument of our 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.160 stupid stuff. But that's the problem with this is you 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.800 get an argument with someone you don't know if their sociopaths, 0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:25.720 they're gonna pull out and gun and kill you over 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.320 a parking spot or dispute or dirty look or something 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.400 that was misinterpreted or whatever it might be. You know, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.600 the whole I was disrespected. I get to disrespected daily. 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:39.160 That's called being an adults. Full of indiscretions and of 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.400 course and things that just bring you down a few notches. 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.120 That happened to you every day. It's called humility. Settling 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.440 that with a firearm is part of the big problem. 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.280 But that's what happened with Robert Shaw anyway, So we'll 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.120 find out the details of that case. It comes a 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.640 little bit more forward Scott's Loan show here on seven 0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.520 hundred WLW been talking a lot about healthcare. Brad Winstrip, 0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.040 of course, served in Congress. He is a physician. We 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:01.680 got to talk to you about this. I've talked for 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.960 a while about how I disagree with the plan the 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.200 Democrats plan for healthcare is, well, we'll just take more 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:12.280 hard earned taxpayer of dollars and subsidize the unaffordable healthcare 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.160 and call it the Affordable Care Act. That's not really 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.440 a solution. That's a band aid. I think we can 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.920 all commut that. And when you put in that context, 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.120 which is accurate, it's a band aid, Like, well, yeah, 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.320 I get that. I also get the fact that the 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.880 people who not all, but most of them are going 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.960 to get squeezed on this are folks who can't afford healthcare. 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:31.719 So all of a sudden you look at it and go, 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:35.240 we're an open enrollment season, and now I may not 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.640 wind up getting those subsidies. And how am I going 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.560 to afford healthcare? I've got a wife, I got a kid, 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.640 I worked two three jobs, none of them off for healthcare. 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.920 I got to buy it on the market. How am 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.280 I going to afford that? I can't afford that? And 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.920 that's a real scare for people. That's the reality of it. Now, 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.840 then you know the politics aside. We've got a broken system. 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.360 This is this makes it worse because we just continue 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.640 to bankrupt America because we're as you know, every time 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.320 you said said I something, it doesn't make it cheaper 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:06.200 or affordable. It masks the costs and makes it more inaccessible. 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.880 It drives a deficit up and costs more. College should 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.320 be a great parallel to that. College should be relatively cheap. 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.240 It's all of the incentives and carabouts and seticides and 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.160 grants and money and funny and the federal governments involved. 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:19.680 We've got to make it more affordable. And the more 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.800 Democrats scream about college not being affordable and out of reach, 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:23.960 and we've got to do something about it. 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:25.760 We got to aleviate debt. Well, someone picks up the 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:26.520 tab for that. Debt. 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.760 Probably a lot of the people who can't afford healthcare 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.480 go well, I have no choice. My taxes are there, 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:33.960 and I have to pay taxes, and that's going to 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.360 go to fund student debt relief. Student loans cost so 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:41.280 much money. College is too expensive because it's inflated by subsidy, 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.440 just like healthcare and a lot of other things in America. 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.000 There's the core of the problem. Subsidy is what drives 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.280 the cost up, makes it harder, makes compliance harder because 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.120 of government rules and agencies. And you've got to hire 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.240 as a physician a bunch of people behind the scenes 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.560 just to work with Medicare, Medicaid and the insurance company 0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.480 is another factor. It's a night for folks. How do 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.480 we fix that system? Well, I know what Democrats are doing. 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.440 What are Republicans offer? And I said for a long 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.760 time Democrats, I don't think it's a plan. 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.000 I think it's a patch. But at least it's something. 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.960 And it's the only issue when you pull Americans that 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.360 has a higher favorability than the Republicans do on that. 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.040 Everything else, Democrats are underwater. Mean think Republicans got problems. 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.080 Democrats got some real problems. They don't have any answers, 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.960 they have no standard. They're directionalists, they're twisted in the wind. 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.560 They've got one thing, and it's healthcare, which is why 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.520 the government shut down. Could shut it down over a 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.360 whole bunch of different things, but healthcare is one issue 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.200 that most Americans, majority Americans, go, Yeah, Democrats got a 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.720 better idea, which is really not a better, it's just 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:41.240 an idea. 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:42.240 It's a patch. 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.400 And then that regard, I don't see Republicans happen much, 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.040 if anything. But what are Republicans have to offer? I've 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.040 been saying that for a while. Brad Winsterp was listening. 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.240 He said, you know what, we've got the plan here. 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.440 Let me share with you what the GOP thinks is 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.560 the path forward. And I'll hear that coming up in 0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.480 just a few minutes here in the show. On seven 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.480 hundred doublew on a beautiful Monday mornings, we get back 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:04.600 at a heavy rain yesterday and wind, my god, the 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:06.680 wind was crazy yesterday. It was like Wizard of Oz 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.319 like the flags were completely bending in the breeze. We 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.040 got tons of rain, which we desperately needed, and now 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:14.600 we get a few days of drier air. But the 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.600 cold air has moved in. We have gone from summer 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.160 to officially winter here in Cincinnati. When you got out 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:20.840 in the morning and go, man, I can see my breath. 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:25.319 And just the other day there was steam rising up 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.560 from the rising rough from the pavement because of the heat. 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.120 It's like, yeah, that's that sinsy. You don't like the weather, 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:31.839 Hang out a couple of days. It's going to change, 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.640 probably in a couple hours for that matter. So more 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.719 of that cold part as we head towards fall, late fall, 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.239 and then winter. We'll be here before you know it. 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.719 So it's a Monday morning on a Scott's Loan show 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.200 on seven hundred w WELW at five, three, seven, four, nine, seven, 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:48.520 eight hundred the Big One talk back on the Art 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.680 radio app here till noon and then a Willie takes over. 0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:52.120 Not sure what he has yet today, but we got 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:53.880 lots of stuff to cover. As I said, brad winstrips 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:55.400 on the way next, it's also a mental health Monday 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.080 with Juliettas share at the bottom of the next hour. 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.880 Hang on for more slowly on seven hundred WLW. 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:03.440 Do you want to be an American idiot? Flow me? 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:07.080 On seven hundred WLW Welcome back. It's day nineteen of 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:11.840 the government checkdown. We've nineteen today and when Senators returned 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.880 to Camp holl by the way today, we're all informed, 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.839 including staffers last week, they're not going to get their 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:18.360 October twentieth paychecks. 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.319 So no paychecks. 0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.440 Today, and I can be paid for the remainder of 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:26.600 the shutdown on the I guess fixing this whole thing 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:31.200 in the deep seated political but most I think they're 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:31.839 right in this thing. 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:32.640 That's frustrating. 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.960 Greg Landsman chimed it on this making hay and saying, 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.160 some nearly eighty percent of Americans Democrats, Republicans independence want 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.560 the Affordable Care Act tax credits extended. That's what this 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.879 is all about. So you know DEM's want more the same, 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.160 more subsidies. But I've a questioned for all, Okay, well, 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.759 we know what Democrats want and it's not sustainable. 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:51.680 What do Republicans want? 0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.200 That's a really good question, and on that is former 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.160 US Representative brad Winstrip Welcome back. 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:57.520 How are you. 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.200 I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay. 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:00.799 I'd be with you. 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:02.880 All right, it's Monday that it takes a while for 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:04.960 the tongue to get going here. I have the thoughts. 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.719 It's trying to articulate them on a Monday morning. But nonetheless, 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:12.080 the GOP pushes a narrative I'm stamped about and right 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.640 now it's about okay, illegal aliens and wow, this is 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.080 about fattening insurers, which is which is true? I mean, 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.200 you know this is going to make insurers a lot 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.680 more rich. But the takeaway for most people, Brad as 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.880 simple as a practitioner, doctor yourself. Millions of Americans are 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:26.920 going to have to pay a lot more for their 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.120 healthcare if Congress doesn't act. You know, we're an open 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.560 enrollment right now. Annual healthcare costs in the US are 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.160 about thirteen four hundred dollars per person on estimate. Working 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.000 people just simply can't afford that. And I get that 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.719 the idea of taking money from Pile A and moving 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.480 to Pile B, it doesn't make things affordable. It makes 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.680 it more expensive. It's just someone else's paying for it, 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.600 that's the problem. But that's something, and I think something 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.920 that working people can hang their hat on. What are 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.439 the Republicans offer? I need, we need a plan? 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.200 Yeah, Well, I mean, first of all, you're asking a 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.759 lot of the taxpayers. It's not like this money's just 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.120 out there and going, oh, here you go. And you're 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.239 right about the part where the insurance companies are the 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.719 ones that are benefiting because with the Affordable Care Act, 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:09.799 you have so many things that are mandated in the 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:14.600 coverage and therefore it costs more and then they jack 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.200 up the price. But you know what actually was done 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:22.319 is money that was taken from the savings supposedly from 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:27.560 reducing the cost of drugs under Medicare by negotiation quote unquote. 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.120 That savings was then gone to subsidies for the Affordable 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.400 Care Act. None of this makes any sense. We have 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.040 a bigger problem when it comes to healthcare. And when 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.640 we talk about it in Washington and Washington you mentioned healthcare, 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.480 and everybody immediately start to talk about Medicare, Medicaid, the 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:46.520 Affordable Care Act and Blue Cross, Blue Shield, etc. Etc. 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:48.799 But they really don't talk about health. Do you really 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.120 hear anybody talking about health or they just talking about 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.520 a plan? And you know, so what Republicans had done 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.320 we put together what was called the Healthy Futures Task Force. 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.840 Our doctors is put together program we called the Healthiest 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.480 Nation on the Planet and this is before make America 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.400 healthy again. And you know, to me, it's a national 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.239 security issue for one thing, because we need to be 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.280 a healthier nation if we're going to be a strong, 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.600 strong nation. But you know, we don't put any value 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.560 on the healthy human life. And this is what we 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.640 are talking about, and this is what I think we 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:23.799 need to do. We put the patient pers and you 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.400 have to start young. You have to start educating people. 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.319 Everyone knows there's an obesity problem in this country. Why 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.600 is that? I mean a friend of mine who started 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.959 the soup, she goes into schools and she says, kids 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.279 don't even know what a vegetable is. What about the 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.239 President's physical Fitness program? Where did that go since I 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.120 was a kid? It is important, and we can do 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:48.080 that and accommodate those with disabilities. And look, I'm grateful 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.560 to live in a country that has safety nets for people. 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:54.880 I think that is really important, such as Medicaid, Medicare. 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:59.120 There's safety nets for us overall. But we shouldn't be 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:02.400 bragging about putting more people into what is the government 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:06.160 program safety net. We should be bragging when fewer people 0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.680 need it, because then they may have good insurance and 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:11.960 there's a lot of things that go along with that 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.839 that we want. We want to reward prevention, we want 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:19.120 to increase education. We want early diagnosis of things and 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.359 so that people have access to physicians that can make 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.759 an early diagnosis. We have a physician shortage and we 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.680 need to increase those that are graduating in medical school, 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.920 and we need more Marcus Welbys by the way, And 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.880 you know, we've got a system in place today that 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.800 it's becoming all hospital based and controlled under that way, 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.120 rather than the guy who's just down the street that 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:44.200 will take care of you and knows you. So these 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.040 are the things that we're for. And you know, I 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.760 like home care, I like telehealth. I don't want it abused. 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.160 I want it to be good. Where's transparency in medicine? 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.160 You know, people are going into surgery. I have my 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.600 patients say, you just had surgery, right, you know how 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:01.720 much is is going to cost? Well, the insurance company 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:03.319 often to say, well, we'll let you know after you 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.400 have it. And it's like, well, this is what I'm 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.520 going to do. Why can't you tell the patient how 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.920 mu's going to it's going to cost them? These are 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.160 problems that are that are out there, and people should 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.080 be able to know what their costs are going to be, 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.840 make decisions, work with their doctor to make make decisions. 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.720 And the other thing is we're driving towards innovations, chores 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:26.040 and better treatments keep people healthy. When people are healthy, 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.200 they can go to work. I mean, we have a 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:32.200 problem putting people into the military today because our youths 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:33.520 are a problem. 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:36.520 Today. Seven out of. 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.040 Ten Americans today right now, all of us, seven out 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.160 of ten of us bra At robs. 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.400 Right, this is the problem, and that's what you need 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:48.120 to address, not just the Affordable Care Act. So the 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.680 debate can go on, and this is what the shutdown 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.720 is over, and you're talking about people losing their jobs, 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:59.000 et cetera, et cetera. You know, this continued resolution did 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.920 not stop the subsidies. That's at a later date. So 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.719 now you're doing all this shutting down the government. Well, 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.359 what you're fighting for isn't even in play yet. 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:11.839 It cost another trillion dollars to keep the government open 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:12.560 seven more weeks. 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.720 What are we getting for that? Over a trillion dollars? 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.920 That's again, it's that's always a question, right, it's taking 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.239 you know, it's all you're doing is transferring. The problem 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:25.560 we know subsidy, for example, college is heavily subsidized. How's 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.160 college working on? Is college affordable? Answer is hell no. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.759 If you subsidize something, all you're doing is you're you're 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.480 taking the cost and passing into other people. And I 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:35.239 know that's how our healthcare system is set up. But 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.280 with compliance, you mentioned burnout. For example, physicians are leaving 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.600 not because they don't love practice and medicine helping people. 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.440 It's because there's so much between them and the actual 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.960 practicing of medicine with compliance and bureaucracy, Medicare, Medicaid, insurance companies, 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:50.319 they don't have time for it. 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.440 Thank Scott. I know a guy in the rural areas. 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.200 He doesn't take insurance for primary care. They can pay 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.520 him with ex state one too. When you're on insurance plans, 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:03.000 if if somebody gives you eggs, you might be in 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.640 trouble for that because you're like you're taking a pride. 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.879 I like direct primary care. I think that's I think 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:08.520 that's a great thing. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:10.920 Yeah, and I. 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.080 Think there's ways of making that in medicaid. But that's 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:18.680 that's the topic for another day. But what's the return 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.600 on investments. I mean, that's what we need to be 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.480 looking at. And you you brought that, well, what is 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.800 that do Are we healthier because we subsidize the Affordable 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.680 Care Act? Now we're becoming a healthier nation? No, we're not. 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.680 And so there's no return on investment with what they're 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.360 what they're talking about there. And I look at something 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.640 like we've got to cure for hepatitis, see what like 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.360 five ten years ago, and I remember in Washington, the 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:42.160 immediate reaction is what is that going to cost? Well, 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.560 if it cost twenty five thousand dollars and you're avoiding 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:49.640 the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars liver transplant, there's 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.080 a good return on investment. The problem we have in 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.920 Washington is the Congressional Budget Office, which people live and 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.600 die by too often, doesn't know how to do that. 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.520 They actually met with us in the scott and they said, well, 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.480 we don't know how to do that, and we actually 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.759 got a bill in place that you can over ten 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.560 years look at things like that to see the return 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.480 on investment, because guess what, people that get hepatitises are 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.480 no longer getting liver tramp right right, I mean you know, 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.520 you can see the savings and see that. All right, 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.319 let me know there are things we can do. 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.040 Brad Winstrip US representative retired. He's a physician, as you know, 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.520 and I'm great person. Talked about the government shutdown and 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.480 it's over healthcare. Democrats want the Affordable Care TAXI critics 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.200 extended for people. If you're talking tens of millions of 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.799 people who rely on this thing. And I for a 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:40.520 while now, I've been questioning, okay, so what's the GOP plan? Then, 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.320 I you know, I want to pick the best plan. 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:44.719 I think it's flawed. I think it's faulty. I think 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:48.040 subsidies make us pay more than we should. It's more bureaucracy, 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:51.120 it's more red tape. But it's something you can go, hey, 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.440 we're going to subsidize your healthcare because you can't afford 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:56.040 it right now. And I've questioned, okay, what is the 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:59.680 GOP alternative? Give me a good alternative, and for a 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.640 long time, and I hear what you're saying, Brad, but 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:04.560 it's it's maha right. 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.200 It's prevention over treatment. 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.759 It's access to healthcare of telehealth and competition, and that's 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.319 going to just workforce shortages and of course price transparency 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.439 with President Trump in the first term got his hands 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.719 around it. In the sample size, maybe too early to 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.280 tell because I think it just all the final components 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:20.640 that wasn't to effect last year. 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:21.879 But that's a good thing. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.799 But when I look at that whole thing, you know, 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.080 to me, Brad, sorry, it doesn't seem like it's a 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.719 it's an answer. It's it's observations, it's platitudes. We know 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.200 what's wrong, but we can't fix it again. Democrats are 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:37.319 shifting money from wildpod to another with subsidies, right, and 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:41.560 that's but it's not making us healthier. But you're talking about, 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.400 all right, if we started this today, because habits are 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.319 hard to break, as we know, that's that's great for 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.480 that's great for a newborn, for a young kid. Hitting 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.360 this message with thirty forty fifty sixty year olds, I 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.440 think it's missing the plate simply because all right, well, 0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.799 that's if we teach people to be healthier, that's great. 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.719 But I have cancer, now, I have als, Now I'm 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.440 in a wheelchair. Now, my mom has diabetes, my uncle 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.280 has cancer. What can you do for me right now? Today? 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:11.600 This is long term and changing a mindset. That's great 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:13.359 and we should be doing that, but that doesn't help 0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.520 people today. That's the problem with this plan because it's 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:18.080 not aude. 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:22.319 But nobody's talking about getting rid of taking care of 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:26.320 people in generally in general. And instead of just having 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.319 to break it fix it, we try to prevent it. 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:32.239 And that's where the real cost savings is. That's where there, 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.839 that's where there's the return on investment. And you have 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.160 to start it sometimes, and that's why I say you 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.800 start with the youth. You know, we have to educate 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:43.200 our children. You know, what about health class. I mean, 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:46.560 that's just that's just the start. And you know, when 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.880 you talk about the Affordable Care Act in general, you 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:52.080 know what they're what we're finding is there's people on 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.960 there that have other insurance and there and there are 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.759 illegals on there, and our taxpayers don't want to pay 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.520 for that. They just why should they? You're paying for 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:05.120 people that don't pay any taxes and pay into one 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:05.760 hundred percent. 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:09.280 But it doesn't address the issues people can't afford healthcare today. 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.560 And you know, you may look at hey, subsidies, I 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.239 get it's driving everything up, but I need this now. 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.640 I mean, we're in enrollment season or close to it, 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.080 and people are afraid. They're you know, if your healthcare 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.520 costs quadruple, no one can afford that. If I had 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.560 to pay thirteen four hundred, which is the average, that's 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.759 not affordable for most Americans. So this addresses things in 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.239 the future and taking care of yourself now. If you 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.799 if you're an adult and you need health care, which 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.600 we all do at this point, I don't thought I don't, 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.880 and nothing's making it cheaper. We need to, and I 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:39.759 think that's where Republicans is one of the few things 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:41.440 that Trump's losing the war on, right, And this is 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:44.600 why Democrats are falling on this hill, Brad is because 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:46.480 healthcare is the only thing that they win on that 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.479 they're on the right side of with the American people. 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:50.920 Everything else they're upside down losing the trumpet underwater on. 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.120 So they plant the swag and rally around it. I 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.880 get the political nature of why they're doing this, but 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.080 it also is the fact that health care sucks in 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.839 this country. I would love a Republicans are something a 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.040 concrete plan to get it fixed, kind of like you know, 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:06.759 Trump does something and hey, we're going to put them 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:08.880 under his he put a man on the moon in 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.160 the week, right, if those are nineteen sixty nine, we 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.000 need a plan like that. We need a man in 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.760 the moon strategy to fix healthcare in the next few years. 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:18.160 Okay, well, let's talk about that for a second. So 0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:20.560 you have the Affordable Care Act, and it's like so 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.759 many other plans, and I can tell you this first 0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:27.879 stand from patient frustration. What do insurance companies do? They 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.440 delay your care and they deny your care. Why you 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:35.000 talked about doctors leaving because we get tired of having 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.439 to get prior authorization. These are all things that need 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.640 to change, and they can be changed now. They can 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.080 be changed now. Congress can do this, and we need 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.200 to streamline. I have a bill called the Safe Step Act, 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.239 and that's been out there for twelve years and we 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:53.560 can't get it through. What does it do. It just 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.680 allows the doctor to say, this is the medicine that 0:47:56.719 --> 0:48:00.520 my patient needs. It's not on your formulary. This is 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:04.480 what they need. And here's why. Instead of writing for 0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.800 the prescription that you want your patient to have, waiting 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.919 for the insurance company to approve it, telling them that's 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.840 telling you it's not approved. This is not good for help. 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.960 These are all the things that are taking place and 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.640 that has taken place within the Affordable Care Act and 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:23.759 everywhere else, and so to feed the monster doesn't make 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.720 any sense. We need to change the monster as well. 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:29.680 Why is the political power to do that? Though? I mean, 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:30.480 you mentioned something. 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.759 I love what you just proposed her, But why why 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.440 is that bill languishing for twelve years? 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:36.000 Brad? What what's holding that up? 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.680 Because because the insurance lobby is pretty strong, and they 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:43.640 get to some people and say, oh, you know, you 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.759 can't do that, that's that's not good, it's going to 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:47.759 be a waste of money, and blah blah blah, and 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:51.239 then they blame doctors, doctors just they're getting kickbacks from 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.200 these companies and bloom, which isn't true. It's not true. 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.759 But this is the political narrative that's being held out there, 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:02.760 and this and who suffers. Patients are the ones that suffer. 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:06.000 If you think the insurance lobby isn't huge out there, 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.399 then just wonder why they're getting the subsidies to begin with. 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:14.400 They're making a lot of money off this rather than competing, 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:19.080 and maybe they have a little less profit that now. 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:22.359 Falls in the area of campaign finance reform, but little action. 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:24.759 That's a whole, that's a whole separate. Well, that's what's 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:26.760 true scrip of the system. I get that these represent 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.520 companies that have people that they hire and their shareholder value. 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.280 All those things go in the that's kount of they 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.960 shouldn't have a voice. But when they hold senators and 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.880 congressman hostage, that's a different story. And that's you know, 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:39.680 the cost is driving up. They're making the money off 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:41.800 the middle and that's why there's no impetus to change 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:45.480 things because both Republicans and Democrats are the ones that 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.840 are are being enriched through campaign donations and everything else 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.760 with the people we're trying to uh decrease their reliance 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:54.839 on that's driving the cost of healthcare up. And if 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:56.839 that's the case, is that it's never going to be solved, 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:57.080 is it? 0:49:58.000 --> 0:49:59.719 But you have no and you have to shift in 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.759 their until you can look, until you can determine and 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:06.920 claim that we as a country want the return on 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:10.320 investment to be a healthier nation, and that means taking 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.839 care of things acutely, but it also means preventing and 0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:17.760 coming up with treatment cureservations. This is common sense stuff. 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.680 Just throwing more money at an insurance company doesn't make 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:25.719 any of those individuals on that plan healthier. That's a fact. 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:29.040 And so if reducing the subsidies makes them have to 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:31.960 be more competitive, I know it makes it more difficult. 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:33.960 We want it to be more affordable and that goes 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:37.680 to the transparency and accountability and all the things. And 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.319 I think I sent you the information of what we're 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:43.920 trying to do and trying to make a common sense. 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.680 This is putting patients first, and that's not what's happening. 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:51.840 It's putting insurance companies first, not patience and their health. 0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:56.480 And that is the narrative has to change. If we 0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:01.880 should be asking providers in the providers, insurance providers and 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.359 the Affordable Care Act, what have you done to make 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:08.480 America a healthier nation? What about your plan makes America 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:13.080 healthier because they have coverage, it's it's delayed and denied. 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:16.120 We've got to do better, and just just feeding the 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.640 monster doesn't make sense to a lot of people, and 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:20.600 it doesn't do the patience any It doesn't. 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:21.640 Okay, but what do you say. 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.359 Somebody hears it goes that's all well and good, But 0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:28.160 I'm worried about tomorrow if these tax credits expire and 0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:31.640 that they just simply die. I can't afford healthcare for me, 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:33.880 my spouse and my two kids. 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:35.840 What do you say to that, Yes, you, well, maybe 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.360 you can if you can get the plan that you choose, 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.439 if you can go out and shop for the chance 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.440 that plan that you choose, it doesn't have things in 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:47.760 mandates mandated in it. You know, for the little sisters 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.920 of the poor to have to get contraceptive covered, that 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:52.080 doesn't make any sense. 0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:52.440 Stop. 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:57.439 There's problems within that, proproblems get that, and and that's 0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.800 not a free choice for people. And you know that 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.799 that creates a problem too. So you've you've got over 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.920 certain people a monopoly of what they have to buy, 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.400 and it isn't cost effective for most people. And so 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:15.480 if they have to compete, it makes a whole whole 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:18.799 lot of difference. If they have compete compete, A lot 0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:21.640 of people would say, you know what I can pay 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:25.160 for my day to day I just want catastrophic That's 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:27.000 that's all. I want to have servers. 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.759 Right right as well? It should well it should and 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:31.719 have enough on the side wall. 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.239 We heard that analogy before about well if you had 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:36.080 if your health insurance, for like your car insurance, Church 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.880 app and car insurance, when you need new wipers for example, 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.200 or gasod be covered under insurance, and that's not what 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.880 it's there for. It's for catastrophic needs for Unfortunately, so 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.319 many people don't have the savings set aside to be 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.239 able to afford anything above that, the healthcare system is 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.920 a mess and it doesn't sound like it's changing anytime 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:54.799 soon because of the deep pockets that really control things, 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:58.400 and that'd be hospitals, insurance companies, big pharma, medical professional 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:01.440 groups and the like have stakeholders on this as well 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:04.400 and have the leverage you have able to influence lawmakers, 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:06.319 which is why good ideas like that bill you had, 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.080 Brad just sit there and shrivel up and die because 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:12.400 it's not in their best interest. Brad winstrop Us Representative 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.719 retired now in private practice. I don't know if we 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:17.400 solved any any Maybe we answered some questions here, but 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:18.920 I think we solved anything today. 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.880 Well, I will tell you this that there there's a 0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:26.080 group in DC that is talking about Brad. Can you 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:29.040 get involved if we can maybe put together a collaboration. 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.680 It's not part of the government. Where you have pharma. There, 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:38.760 you have hospitals. There, you have physician specialty represent table, 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:42.399 if you will, and a round table front of Sea Span, 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:46.120 not sitting in front of Sea Span, going getting your 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.120 five minutes, and it's to satisfy your baby. 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:51.080 It's all dog and pony. I get hey, Brad, I 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:52.600 got to get going. I thank you for the time. 0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:55.759 Be well, always a pleasure. Thanks gott my friend. 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:56.000 Thanks. 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:57.279 So we're running late. We've got to get to a 0:53:57.320 --> 0:53:59.120 news update. Lots to chew on there or maybe not. 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.440 You go oktill the answering. I gotta pay my stuff today. 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:05.000 I feel you seven or WWI. 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.600 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:11.040 to help us get our heads right. 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.319 This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire. 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.719 Yeah, we do it on Monday because that is a 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:19.879 struggle day for most people. Now, if you got your 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:23.359 bleep together and every day is a holiday, every day 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.960 is good and you're probably the envy of most modern brains. 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:29.839 But that's not how it works. Julie Hattershare, I hope 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:31.400 trust you had a good weekend. 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:34.240 All right, Yeah, it was a really good weekend. 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:35.040 How is your good? 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:35.400 Fine? 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.600 Just tobbling around, that's about it. I can't do stare 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:41.520 at the window like a drooling fool. But maybe another 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:44.720 couple of days so maybe I can crawl as opposed 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.759 to sit there and not move at all. So hey, 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:48.200 you know what, And then there are people with real 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:49.879 sickness in ls in the world, so I don't feel 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:52.920 so bad. I'm good, We good, were good. There's a 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.839 story ripped from today's headlines. And I know we'd often 0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:58.840 talk about political stuff, but this, I mean it's political, 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.200 but I think there's also so something else going on here. 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:04.520 So by now you've heard about the leaked telegram chat 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:08.400 of twenty eight thousand plus matcheses between young Republicans. I 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:12.000 think it was on a platform and a social platform, 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:16.000 and there are comments about Hitler, praising Hitler, racial slurs, 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:19.000 gas chamber jokes, horrific, horrific things in there from a 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:21.480 ledge of the future of the Republican Party. Bad look 0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.920 for Republicans, because if you don't like Republicans or on 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.520 the other side, you say, well, that's about right for 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:29.799 these guys. But I think there's somebody to be said 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.759 about who's doing this and why I mean, this is 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:35.520 extremely difficult to talk about, I know, but I think 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:37.000 it also gets back the fact that a lot of 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:42.040 people there's their online persona and then there's real life persona. 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:43.880 I just wonder how many of these people believe what 0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:45.880 they said, and if they weren't just trying to get 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:47.719 a rise and be an edge lord and get a 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:49.960 rise from the people in that particular circle. I think 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:52.560 it's an interesting sociological thing that's going on here. 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:54.879 Yeah, I agree with you. 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:57.560 So I read through some of this and did a 0:55:57.600 --> 0:56:00.680 little research, and of the eleven people on that chat, 0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.799 three of them were women, and eight of them were 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:08.440 between twenty four and thirty five. So when people say, 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.040 you know, it's just kids being kids, I want to 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:14.120 point out that these are the young Republicans, but they're 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:19.279 not teenagers. Many of them have jobs that are in 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.680 lower levels of political office, and in fact, one is 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.839 a state senator in Vermont and his wife, So these 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:30.279 are not kids in the sense that they've been portrayed 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.719 as kids. But yeah, it's really hard to know from 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:36.680 reading through what I read through whether they actually believe 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.600 this and meanness to the extent that they said it, 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:43.640 or whether it's just sort of the common language of 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:45.759 their group, you. 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:46.239 Know what I mean? 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:46.680 Right, right? 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:46.880 Right? 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:50.280 And nebic, you know, young anything young professionals, for example, 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:53.120 typically means people forty and under, But that is also 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:55.080 a broad spectrum. Is that it does an eighteen year old? 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:56.600 How much does an eighteen year old have in common 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:58.560 with a forty year old? So it's not like it's 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:02.440 a specific demographics as gen zers, But there's also millennials 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:05.160 in there too, So young is basing any group under 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.160 forty exactly? 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:07.720 Yeah. 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:10.760 And so as I was reading through this and keeping 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:14.080 in mind that you know, prefrontal cortexas don't develop until 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.760 early twenties, and then maybe a year or two later 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.680 than that, we've still got some people in this that 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:23.760 may not have full comprehension of the potential consequences of 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:26.800 what they're saying. But then as I'm continuing to read, 0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:28.840 there are more than once it says, you know, if 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:33.000 this gets leaved, we're in bad trouble. So some people 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:36.600 in this definitely had some sense of what the potential 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:39.960 consequences could be, but some of the stuff that they 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.480 wrote was just shocking. And the question you asked me 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.760 is how much of this do they actually believe versus 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.960 how much of this is just you know, in group languaging. 0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:51.000 And I don't have an answer for you for that. 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.880 It's really distressing to think about, right, But you. 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:58.200 Wonder because it is younger people and again not teenagers 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:01.800 here there's generally natures don't give a damn about politics. 0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:04.000 They know they don't like stuff, but they don't know why. 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:06.000 It's not till you get older you go, oh, okay. 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:06.800 I get what's going on here. 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:11.040 It's politics in the fact that this is online culture though, right, 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:14.080 is that we are in these individual silos. Now, if 0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:18.240 I am a I don't know, a blind agnostic who's 0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:22.680 into a fifth century pottery, I can find a group 0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:25.320 online of like minded people. Before I'd be kind of 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.840 the freak and ostracized, But now I find my own 0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:30.120 group online. And that's the other side of it. But 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.400 the downside is more tribalism. Is this one of those 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:36.400 deals where everyone in this echo chamber espouses the same 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.960 political ideology, but it's just trying to basically roast or 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:42.760 outrage other people. And the more you outrage, the more 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:46.360 it looks like you are I guess more of a 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:49.240 believer in the cause, and it just becomes this self 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:53.480 fulfilling prophecy that's anchored by well, how outrageous can I 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.160 be because I'm with Kindred Spirits. Isn't this all about 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:57.600 tribalism and wanting to belong. 0:58:57.400 --> 0:58:57.840 To a group? 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:00.600 I think that's a big piece of it. Yeah, and 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.640 trying to see just how far you can push the envelope. Okay, 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:05.800 so I make this joke, I say this word, I 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:09.120 say this thing, and people are giving me thumbs up 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:11.840 and piling on positively, or people are giving me thumbs 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:15.000 up and thumbs down and piling on negatively. So now 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:17.080 I'm trying to test the boundaries and figure out are 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:20.600 their boundaries and what are they? And what we do 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:23.280 online is very different than what we would do in person. 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:28.760 So you would say something terrible in person, and there. 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:31.080 Might be people who would give you pushback. 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:33.560 Or a disgusted look, or or there might be some 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:37.120 indication that that wasn't okay. But if you do that 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:40.600 in the online world, sometimes all you get is dead air. 0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:44.840 So there's no negative. The dead air is the negative, 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:47.200 which is not the same as people saying hey, it's 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:50.840 not okay to say or Conversely, you say something in 0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:51.360 real life. 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:53.920 When people are yeah, absolutely. 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:54.080 Go more with that. 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.439 So it's about finding out where you fit, I think 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:01.120 to some extent, and testing the boundaries of just how 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:04.720 far things can be pushed, where are the edges here, 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:08.320 and how provocative can I be and still be part 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:08.800 of the group. 1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:11.400 In the pre digital age, I will say that you 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:13.080 know you would you may be at a rally or 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.400 something like that and you have a sign or I mean, 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:18.800 let's face you. Okay, let's say that there's the real life, 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.840 in real life version, this would be let's say a 1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:23.840 Nazi rally or something. All right, okay, so I'm going 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:25.560 to go up there and like what we saw over 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.880 and Evenil in the summer. Right, Look how many people 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.800 showed up and yelled at them, threatened them, brought guns 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:32.640 to the dance and want them the hell off of 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:33.240 that overpass. 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:34.439 Everyone did except them. 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:37.600 You have now real time feedback from your comments and 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:38.040 your beliefs. 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:38.960 Do I really believe this? 1:00:39.000 --> 1:00:41.680 Well, they did everything they could to sell this ideology 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:44.640 that no one was buying. But online you don't have 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:46.880 those repercussions. You're not going to get punched in the face. 1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:49.360 You're not going to get physically threatened. You might digitally, 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.600 but it's the same as a compliment. It doesn't matter. 1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:54.680 It's different when you're saying that someone's these things, they're 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:57.080 face And that's really what's changed about the digital age. 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:00.320 That's really what's changed about the digital age, which is 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:02.960 that now with the Internet, we can say things that 1:01:03.040 --> 1:01:05.640 we wouldn't say to someone in real life, and we 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:09.800 can have very limited consequences to that. And if we 1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:11.960 happen to be in a group where that is the norm, 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:14.760 then not only do we get limited consequences, but here 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:17.400 are our people, and we're saying it to our people, 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:19.960 whether it's positive or negative, whether it's left or right 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:23.520 or center, we're talking to our people, and we're getting 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:27.080 more affirmation for that than we might otherwise in a 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:28.120 more mixed group. 1:01:28.440 --> 1:01:31.320 And we don't have to affiliate with people online who 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:32.640 aren't like us. 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:36.320 As we would in the real world in a job 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:38.959 or in a social situation where there are. 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:40.080 People who aren't like us. 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:43.520 Can be as as groupy as we want to be 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:46.160 online because those are our folks. 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.040 We've always had these kind of groups, Julie. But at 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:51.480 the same time, I think they're more prevalent. It seems 1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:54.200 like this's happening with impunity now. COVID had a lot 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.360 to do this because of the lockdown, because we were 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:59.520 all islands or by ourselves. We've still got stuff done, 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:02.760 learned to live online a lot more and there's no 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:03.320 going back. 1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:08.640 It really changed everything long term. I don't know about permanently, 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:10.080 but certainly long term. 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:10.880 It changed everything. 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:13.480 I mean, I'll tell you from my own profession there 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:16.200 as therapist who went totally online during COVID, and we'll 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:19.040 never go back to seeing people in person. And so 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:21.040 if you just look at you know how many people 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:25.000 stopped working in person and are now only working online, 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:28.240 So you can't you don't have the same social interaction 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:32.360 with people you're not choosing to interact with as you 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:34.480 do if you go into an office every day, or 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:36.520 you go into a factory every day. 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:39.000 Or you go out into the world in a different 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:40.520 way now than we did before. 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:42.600 COVID for sure, and I think it definitely made us 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:46.560 more in group ye and less diverse in the people 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:49.240 that we spend time with because we don't have to 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:50.600 to the same degree that we used to. 1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:52.360 Right, Okay, that makes sense. 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:54.920 She's Julie Hattershoes, she's a licensed mental health therapist from 1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:57.320 here in Cincinnati. On Scotsland show. It's Mental Health Monday, 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.520 and I don't have mental healthy. This is in a 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:04.800 sense that we have traded digital relationships or face to 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:07.240 face ones. And I think maybe that's the big takeaway 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:09.360 is that, and I'm sure you treat or see people 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:11.560 and hear about from people who are in the same boat, 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:14.440 is that if you get a steady diet of these 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:18.640 echo chambers and that takes over your real life and reality, 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:20.960 it's probably gonna lead you some meleal health issues. 1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:25.800 Well it does, and also it leads to some relationship challenges. 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:27.720 So I'm not even going to say if you get 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:29.760 a steady diet of these echo chambers, I'm just going 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:33.120 to say people are losing the ability to interact with 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:36.440 each other effectively face to face. The more time we 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:39.240 spend online, the more time we don't have to make 1:03:39.280 --> 1:03:41.880 a phone call to a customer service rep to get 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:44.320 something done, or make a phone call to schedule an 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:47.240 appointment for something, the more that we don't actually have 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:49.640 to go out into the world and interact with people 1:03:49.680 --> 1:03:53.240 on a consistent basis, we're losing some of our social skills, 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:57.320 or at least they're changing and they're becoming more online 1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:01.200 social skills. And the problem is that then if you 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:03.800 forget where you are and you say something in the 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:06.320 real world that you would only drop in a chat online, 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:10.479 suddenly you get some negative pushback for that. But we're 1:04:10.480 --> 1:04:13.280 losing the ability to interact and relate with each other 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:14.120 face to face. 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:16.680 And I see that in my practice a lot. 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:19.520 I see people who are so isolated and so lonely 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:22.120 despite the fact that we're more connected and I use 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:25.800 air quotes around that word than ever before. And the 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:29.800 thing is that we're connected often to people who think 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:33.240 like us, and not connected to people who don't. 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:33.640 Think like us. 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:37.080 So there's no real world fact checking or pushback for 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:38.280 some of the things we say and do. 1:04:38.520 --> 1:04:40.600 That's interesting because so what you're saying is like people, 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:45.320 for example, who I don't know, maybe they're you know, 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:46.840 Trump seems to be the bit and it could be 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:49.240 anything that right now, it's Trump, Like I'm a big 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:51.919 Trump fan, and I only associate with people online who 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:54.560 are in the real world I know people who aren't, 1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:56.600 and then I don't associate even family members and we've 1:04:56.600 --> 1:05:00.000 seen relationships break off over who's president of the United States. 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:02.920 I mean, it's it's so stupid and myopic that you're 1:05:02.920 --> 1:05:05.520 gonna you know, you're losing family members and friends for 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:07.480 a long long time over who got voted in the 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:09.520 office or who didn't win. It doesn't make any sense 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:12.560 to me, but for those people it does. And that 1:05:12.680 --> 1:05:16.520 to me is that detachment from online versus real life. 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:20.560 Yes, and that detachment from a reality check that not 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:22.920 everybody thinks and feels the way that you do, and 1:05:22.960 --> 1:05:24.760 that people who don't think and feel the way that 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:27.440 you do can actually be good people and you might 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:30.120 actually have to work with them and interact with them, 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:32.640 or be a family member or a friend to. 1:05:32.600 --> 1:05:34.160 Them, or go to school with them. 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:38.360 And so we're losing the ability to hold opposing viewpoints 1:05:38.400 --> 1:05:41.400 as being equally valid as ours, and we're starting to 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:45.480 dehumanize and other eyes people who think differently than we do. 1:05:45.680 --> 1:05:48.000 Well when we and yeah, I'm sorry, when we establish 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:50.000 like you know, saft zones on college campuses where I 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:52.120 can espouse my you know, actually my first amenment, right, 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:54.720 but you can't challenge me that you know that that 1:05:54.840 --> 1:05:57.720 predates and that overshadows. In my opinion, we're talking about 1:05:57.720 --> 1:05:59.240 to hear digital, but it feeds in the whole same 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:01.680 thing is that we want to shelter our children who 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:05.480 eventually become adults so much that they only have their 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:08.480 views reinforced and never be challenged to think another way 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:10.640 or see someone else's that that's dangerous. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:11.680 And it leads to this. 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:16.320 Doesn't It does leads. It definitely can lead to this. 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:19.680 These witness tests for you in or are you out? 1:06:20.080 --> 1:06:23.680 And these belief systems that if you disagree with me, 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:26.560 if anyone disagrees with us. 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:28.520 They are bad or wrong. 1:06:28.680 --> 1:06:32.200 We dehumanize, we otherize them. We don't have the ability to, 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:34.560 as they say in politics, work across the aisle. 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:36.240 We're losing the ability to. 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:37.919 Say, you and I disagree on this, but we still 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:39.680 have to work together to get this done. 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:40.640 Whatever that happens to be. 1:06:41.120 --> 1:06:44.080 And we're becoming very tribal, to use your word from 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:47.919 earlier in the segment, we're becoming very tribal. And that 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:52.120 can be a strength, but it more often than not, 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:54.720 I think is a deficit because we're losing diversity of 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:59.480 thought and diversity of representation, and we're losing our abilities 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:01.520 to deal with people who think and feel and operate 1:07:01.560 --> 1:07:02.520 differently in the world. 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:02.720 Than we do. 1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:07.080 Also the ability to negotiate, to realize we have differences 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:10.240 in coming to common ground. I mean, I think it's 1:07:10.360 --> 1:07:13.720 not a coincidence that we same day we're talking about 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:15.600 this business. I mean, look at the shootings on Found Square, 1:07:15.640 --> 1:07:17.800 look at the one we just had on Thursday after 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:20.440 the football game. People are willing to just Okay, I'm 1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:22.920 in an argument over something stupid, not even a street 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:25.400 total strangers and pick up a gun and shoot them 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:29.320 because what because they looked at you differently or you 1:07:29.360 --> 1:07:32.320 thought they said something, or a parking spot, whatever it is. 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:35.000 Rather than just you know, argue you're getting a fight 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:36.880 or discuss it, somebody's going to pick up a gun 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:39.280 and shoot YOUO. This is cut from the same fabric. 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:42.560 I think it's very similar. It's all part of the 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:51.000 continuum of increasing uncivil discourse in our country, in our society. 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:56.600 It's increasingly becoming extremist, it's increasingly becoming. 1:07:56.240 --> 1:07:59.360 Violent word wise or action wise. 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:06.440 And it's increasingly becoming cooperative and cooperative and negotiated. And 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:08.800 so yes, I think it's all part of the continuum 1:08:08.960 --> 1:08:13.040 of uncivilizing our civilization. 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:14.800 Julie hattersh here. 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:16.240 I don't know if you see this in your practice, 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:18.920 or maybe you've heard stories from colleagues and the like 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:21.400 it are there people that are realizing, Hey, I've got 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:24.120 a digital problem. I've got to get some help mentally 1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:26.280 and this or I guess it's a mental health therapist 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:29.519 about this above all. Also that's changing my you know, 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:31.800 changing my or or someone's forcing someone to go to 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:34.599 therapy because they've isolated themselves. To the point is that 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:36.920 actually has that become a thing over the years in 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.400 practices like, yes, yeah. 1:08:39.200 --> 1:08:39.679 It has. 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:41.759 I have a lot of people, a lot of couples 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:44.720 I see in fact that I suggest going on a 1:08:44.760 --> 1:08:47.920 digital diet or a digital detox because they're spending so 1:08:48.040 --> 1:08:50.120 much time with their face on the screen that they're 1:08:50.120 --> 1:08:54.120 not actually connecting with themselves in life and with other 1:08:54.200 --> 1:08:58.400 people in life, and it's creating problems in relationships, it's 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:03.120 creating problems in mental health in individuals who get so 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:07.280 sucked into the screen that they're not actually connecting with 1:09:07.479 --> 1:09:11.240 folks in their life and doing things outside, like actually 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:16.160 outside the house, but outside of their screen. Becomes very 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:19.719 isolating and it's meant to I mean, the stuff online 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:21.880 is meant to keep you there. That's what they want. 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:23.479 They want you to stay there. They don't want you 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:25.599 to go out and you know, paddle connue or take 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:26.479 a bike rider. 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:27.679 Engage and have lunch with the friends. 1:09:27.760 --> 1:09:29.800 Engagement, that's what it's all about. And engaging. 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:31.800 But then you get more of the diet of what 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:34.120 you subscribe to and want to see, and so the 1:09:34.160 --> 1:09:36.040 algorithmnosis and feed you more of it to keep you 1:09:36.080 --> 1:09:38.840 on on longer. The problem is there's a definite mental 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:42.000 health component to this. The more you spend, the more 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:43.840 it hurts your mind. Now and the other thing too 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:45.920 is you may not see it right is how many 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:47.640 people have done that and go, well, that's not me. 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:50.439 I just is what I like and not realizing that 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:51.679 this we're talking about you. 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:54.519 Exactly, and we are not. 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:56.240 We humans are not designed to live. 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:59.280 In isolation, and yet so many of us are isolated 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:02.439 from the world, and our primary relationship is through a screen, 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:04.720 and we are not. Our brains and our bodies are 1:10:04.720 --> 1:10:05.960 not designed to live in isolation. 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:07.120 We're designed to live in. 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:10.639 Community with other people, our friends, our families, our co workers, 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:16.280 our neighbors, and this keeps us connected again in air quotes. 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:17.960 But also it's so incredibly disconnected. 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:21.639 It's not good for us mentally, emotionally, relationally, it's not. 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:22.479 Good for us physically. 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:26.200 There are so many things that it's like anything you know, 1:10:26.280 --> 1:10:26.799 too much. 1:10:26.640 --> 1:10:30.720 Of anything is bad. And this is another example of that. 1:10:30.840 --> 1:10:33.080 Yeah, as the young Republicans chats like, it's got so 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:35.920 narrow and so so tribal that you know, if you 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:37.320 step back and look at and go, what what the 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:37.760 hell is? 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:38.920 What what am I reading here? 1:10:38.960 --> 1:10:42.519 This is and not suspecting that someone at some point 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:45.439 of all those people in that chat would and so 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:48.360 either be exploited or I've heard it, maybe the blackmailed 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:50.679 a little bit. But still, I mean it's it's they're 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:52.479 your words, and somebody's going to get a hold of that. 1:10:52.520 --> 1:10:55.719 We'll definitely use it against you. But there's a bigger problem. 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:59.559 It's the more connected we become as a world digitally, uh, 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:03.080 the more lonely we become an individual relationships. I think 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.599 that's the takeaway here. If that's you're someone to love, 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:07.920 definitely need to talk somepon Like Julie hattersh here, she's 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:10.880 at beconnected dot care. Hey, Juliet, be connected dot care 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:12.479 if you want to reach out question for a future 1:11:12.520 --> 1:11:15.040 topic on mental health Monday. I always appreciate the insight 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:18.480 and the good stuff as always be well, take care youte. 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:20.280 All right, getting you to a news update and when 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:23.519 we return on seven hundred WLW. Last week, we had 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:28.560 the governor's ban on what do we call it intoxicating 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:30.760 hemp beverages and products because they may fall on the 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:33.960 hands of kids, you know, using the children to enact 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:37.280 prohibition as nothing new. Uh, but this part of a 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:39.840 bigger problem is is just how slow the government is 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:46.160 to legislate, control and regulate things that go into our body, 1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:49.600 whether it's those drinks or edibles I'm talking about, or 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:53.680 something like a nicotine pouch which you put in your 1:11:53.720 --> 1:11:55.840 lip and you get nicotine. It's not smoke, it's not 1:11:55.880 --> 1:11:59.479 tobacco much much safer, but you're getting the nicotine delivery system. 1:11:59.479 --> 1:12:04.599 You're getting kotine without the harmful byproducts of tobacco. Well, 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:08.200 much like what's happening in Ohio, it's happening nationwide. With 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:11.160 Trump's FDA, he wants he wants to fast track some 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:16.599 of these products these uh, nicotine pouches, and the problem 1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:18.920 is now the market is flooded with black market products 1:12:18.960 --> 1:12:19.360 as well. 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:20.679 She writes about this. 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:23.639 For a reason and why we need to fast trek 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:26.360 regulation a lot quicker than the FDA has in the past, 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:28.559 and Trump's trying to do it. Her name Sophia Hamilton. 1:12:28.600 --> 1:12:30.360 She joins the next next on the show to talk 1:12:30.360 --> 1:12:32.519 about that. Just ahead seven hundred WWT Cincinnatic. 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:36.559 Don't want to be an American Scott Flone show. 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:38.439 This is seven hundred w LW. 1:12:38.479 --> 1:12:39.240 Welcome to the show. 1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:45.000 So Mike DeWine issued his Delta AD Intoxicating hamp emergency 1:12:45.040 --> 1:12:47.519 band that kicked in last week. But that's a emblematic 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:50.600 a bigger problem. Uh, and it's the problem is a 1:12:50.680 --> 1:12:52.800 it's a slow to move government right that drives the 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:54.880 black market. The reason why he had to do that 1:12:55.000 --> 1:12:57.320 band was because the legislator's been dragging their feet for 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.640 a long time. They had a caravat for hemp and 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:01.200 then that's I'm going to figure out a way to go, Hey, 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:02.960 we could take some of the low level TCH and 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:05.760 hemp and process it and as long as we derive 1:13:05.800 --> 1:13:08.720 the THHD, which is the psychoactive ingredient and weed the 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:12.320 stuff that gets you high. We can make these products 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:15.599 and then you know, for example, fifty West rolls out 1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:16.320 of beverage. 1:13:16.320 --> 1:13:17.320 Many companies are doing it. 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:21.439 That's CBD infused, cannabis infused, and you get a decent buzz, 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:24.320 kind of like alcohol without the alcohol side effects. 1:13:24.360 --> 1:13:25.240 Money people like it. 1:13:25.280 --> 1:13:27.040 Well, kids were getting a hold of this in the 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:30.720 smokeable and edible form in some Roague carryout stores and 1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:32.960 around the state, which of course happens when you have 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:36.080 a black market that's created by government overregulation and the 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:38.400 government's low to move, and the end result is now 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:40.880 adults can't have nice things either. No one wants kids 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:44.240 getting high at the same time as an adult. I've 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:47.120 kind of earned that right. So this fits into something 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:49.400 else that's going under the Trump FDA. They're fast tracking 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:53.000 reviews of tobacco. Companies are in the nicotine pouch game 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:55.559 now because we are people are smoking tobacco, as you know, 1:13:55.680 --> 1:13:56.800 so they're going to go, hey, we got to make 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:59.720 our money. We'll do nicotine pouches, things like zin and 1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:01.640 other stuff like that. That's all well and good, but 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:04.800 the problem is it's much like Ohio's doing with the 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:08.360 CBD stuff is that the slow moving government, the plot 1:14:08.479 --> 1:14:11.639 and government, the legislature simply can't get on the way 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:15.519 and create rules that make access available to other companies. 1:14:15.880 --> 1:14:18.120 And then the end result is you have some black 1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:21.719 market folks getting their products into well convenience stores, for example, 1:14:21.840 --> 1:14:24.320 just like we do in Ohio when it comes to CBD. 1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:27.879 Kind of a long setup there. I apologize. She's Sophia Hamilton. 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:30.200 She writes in Reason magazine about this. Also she's a 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:32.640 fellow with Young Voices. Good morning, how are you. 1:14:33.960 --> 1:14:36.760 I'm doing great, Thank you so much for having. 1:14:36.479 --> 1:14:37.200 Me this morning. 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:42.839 I'm excited to chat a little bit about this scary 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:48.360 market changes that we're seeing with not only nickedine couches, 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:51.759 but like as you were saying, with cannabis as well. 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:53.720 It's two sides of the same coin, right, I mean, 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.960 that was the world's longest setup. I apologize, But it 1:14:57.000 --> 1:15:01.000 all comes together because it's the problem is a slow moving, 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:04.439 plotting government and we live in an on demand society. 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:06.880 People sample something and they see something, they read something, 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:07.600 they eat, they drink O. 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:07.840 Wow. 1:15:07.880 --> 1:15:08.519 I like this a lot. 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:10.320 Where can I get it? Well, all of a sudden, 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:14.200 you have an exploding consumer market for that, and we 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:17.160 get it. Whether it's a CBD infused to THC CBD 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:21.800 infused drink or whether it's a nicotine pouch, somebody's gonna 1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:25.160 rush in legal, arly illegal to fill that void. What's 1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:27.559 happening relative to nicotine. We know what's going on with 1:15:28.000 --> 1:15:31.040 THCHC here in Ohio, but what about the nicotine patch game? 1:15:32.520 --> 1:15:38.280 Yeah, so nicotine policy is changing all across the country. 1:15:38.320 --> 1:15:41.559 We have some states that are incredibly strict and how 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:44.920 to have a lot of bands where they limit ages 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:49.719 percentages of nicotine flavors. And then you have a different 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:55.080 regulatory regene at the spiral level where they are very 1:15:55.120 --> 1:16:00.320 slow to improve quality products that have been on the 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:03.320 international market for decades and that we know are safe, 1:16:03.680 --> 1:16:08.839 and so consumers are trying new products like nicotine pouches. 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:13.000 They've been on the US market for at least a decade, 1:16:13.120 --> 1:16:16.400 but they haven't had full SDA approoval and that's a 1:16:16.439 --> 1:16:19.799 whole it's a whole process to get the official stamp 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:24.200 of approval from the SBA. So American consumers have been 1:16:24.200 --> 1:16:27.519 able to try these products and realize, oh yeah, I 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:31.160 really like the nicotine pouches. They're a lot smoother than base, 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:35.800 there's less downside, all of these, all of these great things, 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:40.160 the FDA hasn't moved as fast as consumers have. They've 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:43.760 they've moved out of snail's pace, and so consumers have 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:47.520 dried this product, decided that they liked it, and it's 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:49.800 hard to get what they want because of all of 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:54.920 the state restrictions on flavors. So who's come infilled that 1:16:55.040 --> 1:17:01.280 demand where the state's safe block access the market? And 1:17:01.320 --> 1:17:05.280 so we're seeing a bunch of counterfeits explode onto the 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:09.160 scene where they look exactly like the old products that 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:12.200 people know, but there's new flavors and that's exactly what 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:15.600 consumers want. But they don't know that they're getting a 1:17:15.720 --> 1:17:17.200 sketchy product. 1:17:16.920 --> 1:17:19.840 Right because they haven't the process. Well, there's a fine 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:21.479 line of balance there. And I get whether it's what 1:17:21.520 --> 1:17:23.639 Mike DeWine's doing here in Ohio, it's the exact same 1:17:23.760 --> 1:17:28.360 argument we're doing with the THHD and the intoxicating hemp 1:17:28.400 --> 1:17:30.960 as we call it, and what's going on with nicotine 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:37.120 edibles and the pouches, and that is government will tell you, well, 1:17:37.160 --> 1:17:38.680 hold on, we need to research you and to make 1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:40.880 sure this stuff is safe to be consumed by people. 1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:43.280 You don't know that if you go to your comedience store, 1:17:43.320 --> 1:17:46.040 you don't know if a product has been tested or not. 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:47.840 And that's that's part of the problem. 1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:52.160 Right exactly. Well, I think most consumers go into a 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:55.280 store and they see something on the shelf and they go, oh, yeah, 1:17:55.400 --> 1:17:58.920 this is this is perfectly safe they're getting it's getting 1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:02.479 told to me, and there's there's there's there might be 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:05.400 some risks, like they know when they buy cigarettes or 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:07.599 when they buy a vase, when they buy any sort 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:10.719 of products, that there's a downside, but they aren't going 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:12.920 in there thinking that it could be a counterfeit. And 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:16.479 I think that's where it's really scary and dangerous, is 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:19.080 that they think that they're buying a real product, and 1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:21.439 with the nicotine pouches, they it's a. 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:22.360 Harm reduction tool. 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:25.240 They think that they're buying something that's safer for them, 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:30.759 and really it's it's a counterfeit and and it's it's not. 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:31.439 Meeting the needs. 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:34.760 And the reason the reason why we have all of 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:38.559 these restrictions on the nicotine pouches is what they always 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:41.960 say is for the safety of children. The children aren't 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:45.760 getting these products. But we we've all been teenagers. We 1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:48.160 know how, we know how teams are. They're going to 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:50.680 get their hands on what they want to And now 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:53.600 the market is even more dangerous because the market is 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:58.719 fulled with counterfeits because we restricted it for the safety 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:00.960 of these teams. But now all the teams are getting 1:19:00.960 --> 1:19:02.920 what they're getting the counterfeit. 1:19:02.560 --> 1:19:06.040 Product, right, right, So what would happen basically politically speaking, 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:08.600 is a lot of progressives, for example, and some conservatives 1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:10.640 what we'll talk about, well, this is why we need 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:12.599 a strong FDA, and this is you know, you're you're 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:14.559 just gonna fast track all this stuff and put all 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:17.280 these more poisons on the market. And they're getting on 1:19:17.320 --> 1:19:20.320 the market anyway, to ignore the what the black market 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:24.840 is created, whether it's THC drinks or edibles or in 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:28.559 this case, nicotine pouches and pretty much everything else. They've 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:31.080 they've got to meet consumer demand head on. And you 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:33.360 don't do that by Okay, in five years, we're gonna 1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:34.960 have research and we'll find out whether or not we're 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:37.240 all lot of this stuff and that's gonna get polluted 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:40.200 down by lobby groups and everything else. Or just simply 1:19:41.120 --> 1:19:44.559 you know, if you're if you're anti edible or vape 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:48.800 or nicotine, you're you're gonna shoot this thing down. Whatever 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:51.799 the corporate policy is, so to speak, the party policy. 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:54.400 So this stuff has to be faster. We got to 1:19:54.400 --> 1:19:56.360 do a better job of saying, Okay, well it's not 1:19:56.439 --> 1:19:58.400 the best thing you can put in your body, but 1:19:59.280 --> 1:20:02.479 at least there's not mercury or serious harmful chemicals in it. 1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:04.680 We need to test this stuff and screen it much 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:08.839 much faster. But that's the reality here. Can we actually change. 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:14.040 That, though we definitely can. These products have been available 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:19.639 in the europe market for chuckies. We know that they're safe. 1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:21.720 We don't need to go in through a whole new 1:20:21.760 --> 1:20:24.880 approval process. We can look at these markets that we 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:27.920 know and trust and say, okay, here's the research that 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:31.200 they've produced. It's good to be on the US market. 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:35.920 Let's fast track it and approve it. Instead, they're doing 1:20:35.960 --> 1:20:38.679 the same thing where they did with spates, where they 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:41.360 blocked good things from getting on the market that we 1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:45.559 knew we're safe and that we knew consumers wanted, and 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:50.640 instead of approving things, they went and attacked the counterfeits 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.440 which needs to happen. You need to get the counterfeits 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:56.680 off the market, but they're ignoring why those counterfeits are 1:20:56.720 --> 1:21:00.559 on the market, and that's to fill the design of 1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:04.519 the consumers. And so we're seeing the same issue with 1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:08.200 nicotine couches where they're attacking the counterfeits, but they're not 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:13.120 addressing why the counterfeits popped up first. And so they 1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:16.120 really do need to address the approval process to get 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:20.599 good quality products on the market that adult consumers want, 1:21:20.680 --> 1:21:26.000 and that includes flavors, that includes choice in nicotine percentages. 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:31.720 And you can't just put this desire to have prohibition, 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:40.200 especially among teenagers, to harming adult consumers because everyone will 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:42.599 be worse off if you take away that change. 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:44.720 And that was Governor Mike Dewines cry here is this 1:21:44.760 --> 1:21:45.800 is about the children. The child. 1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:48.679 We got to save the children because children, I get. Okay, Well, 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:51.160 well what about the retail around of the Sophia Hamilton. 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:55.439 You know, if I'm a retail what's the retailer's perspective 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:57.080 on this or some instiga. I don't care what's in it, 1:21:57.120 --> 1:21:58.760 even if it's poison. I'll sell it to him because 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:00.680 I need to make money at my carry out. It's 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:03.160 certainly not all retailers. I don't see the big box 1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:05.599 stores or you know, the Krogers of the world, for example, 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:08.799 shelving this stuff. But you know, at the same time, 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:12.760 the little guy at the corner, what's the process for them? 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:14.439 They're trying to keep their head above water to I 1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:16.160 get it, but I don't think i'd want to make 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:18.840 my money, you know, selling the kids. Some people are 1:22:18.840 --> 1:22:21.240 going to do that. It seems like it's an enforcement issue. 1:22:22.439 --> 1:22:27.559 Yeah, there are enforcement issues, but they're smart. They're going 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:31.320 to find someone who's above the legal age to buy 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:34.400 the product for them or have a fake idea. There's 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:38.160 definitely ways. It's really not that complicated for them to 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:41.280 find ways to get these products in a reliable manner. 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:46.120 And I think it's fairs not want teenagers to be 1:22:46.240 --> 1:22:50.000 using these products, especially if they've never used other nicotine products. 1:22:50.200 --> 1:22:53.519 You don't want to get them addicted. But they're going 1:22:53.600 --> 1:22:55.320 to do what they want to do. At the end 1:22:55.360 --> 1:22:58.120 of the day, they're going to drink even though drinking 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:01.280 age is at twenty one. The aids to consume nickedine 1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:04.559 and tobacco is also at twenty one, And we were 1:23:04.640 --> 1:23:08.040 all in college at one point. But I just this, 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:13.679 this desire to go through prohibition policies and we've seen 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:17.760 them fail time and time again with so many different substances, 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:21.880 is the silliest thing in my mind. We've seen it fail. 1:23:21.920 --> 1:23:24.200 Why are we trying to do it again? Because it's 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:28.920 hurting retailers, like you said, it's hurting consumers, it's hurting 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:33.200 the companies, and it's hurting the local economies because you 1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:37.639 get so much money from taxes on these products, right, 1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:40.120 and so you're trying to prohibit it and you're putting 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:42.600 it into the black market where you're the state is 1:23:42.640 --> 1:23:46.920 no longer able to get the excise taxes from these products. 1:23:47.080 --> 1:23:50.960 So it's really just the loose situation all around. 1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:51.320 No question. 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:53.920 And you know the fact of the matter is the 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:56.560 government can never keep up with demand. They need to 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:59.200 move a lot faster, be a lot leaner. That makes 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:02.600 capitalism work better. Certainly, we don't want poisons going to 1:24:02.680 --> 1:24:04.120 convenience stores or our bodies. 1:24:04.160 --> 1:24:06.080 We assume that a lot of stuff is tested. 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:09.040 But the way the models set up the big tobacco 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:11.600 companies that have all sorts of research and development and 1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:14.559 backing and money coming or talking billions and publicly traded 1:24:14.600 --> 1:24:19.920 companies they can afford to play the regulation game, like Zen, 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:23.479 for example, simply because they have the what about the 1:24:23.520 --> 1:24:25.519 mom and pop the entrepreneurs. And the same is true 1:24:25.560 --> 1:24:28.120 when it comes to THHD infused drinks. You know, I mean, 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:31.280 you know, Anheuser Busch may be able to put a 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:34.320 product out that rivals at but something like fifty West 1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:37.519 here in Cincinnati, when they roll a THC infused product, 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:39.760 they don't have the backing, the wherewith all the R 1:24:39.760 --> 1:24:42.360 and D to be able to afford all the regulatory 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:45.240 red tape to get the government seal of approval. That 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:49.720 just stemy small and mid sized businesses, doesn't it exactly? 1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:56.960 Going through the approval process takes good years and countless 1:24:57.160 --> 1:25:02.240 countless dollars. Zen just speaking, the first company to be 1:25:02.320 --> 1:25:05.960 approved to market to adulop consumers in the US their 1:25:06.040 --> 1:25:10.719 nicotine pouches in January of this year. The first company, 1:25:10.720 --> 1:25:16.200 They're a giant company international, and that took in years 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:18.880 and years to get that first stamp of approval. That's 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:24.160 not even the end process. Most companies cannot wait that long, 1:25:24.960 --> 1:25:28.320 and so it's it's an incredibly difficult process to go through. 1:25:28.320 --> 1:25:33.120 It's also very very confusing and long, and the sea 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:37.479 is has a huge backlog or records long backlog, and 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:42.080 most companies just cannot survive that weight to get the approval, 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:45.880 and that's where you're seeing good competition get pushed out 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:48.320 of the way, while we have the door wide open 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:51.760 for counterfeits where we don't know what's what's even in 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:54.960 them because there's no there's no approval process, there's no 1:25:55.080 --> 1:25:56.000 regulation there. 1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:59.799 I know what no one's saying. Nicotine is you certainly 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:02.280 you can get sick. You can overdose on nicotine for 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.240 that matter too, But you know, it seems to me 1:26:04.360 --> 1:26:07.679 a better alternative than traditional tobacco would be VP products, 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:10.519 but especially nicotine pouches that you put between your lip 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:13.800 and gum. It's not a can, it's not a carcinogen 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:16.920 in the way that the traditional snuffs and dip and 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:19.920 smoking is. And so you know, if you're worried about 1:26:19.960 --> 1:26:22.479 the future generations and lung cancer and cancer as well, 1:26:22.680 --> 1:26:24.480 this seems like to be a good alternative. 1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:25.320 It's not perfect. 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:28.240 I'm not saying it doesn't have harmful effects, but it's 1:26:28.280 --> 1:26:30.200 certainly a lot less than what the alternative is or 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:31.480 the traditional methods. 1:26:31.120 --> 1:26:36.080 Are exactly it's a harm reduction tool because it is 1:26:36.240 --> 1:26:39.559 more safe than the other products that are out there. 1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:43.360 So if you're going to be consuming nicotine, this is 1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:47.640 the safest way that you can do it. And there's 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:52.559 still downsides. You can have some irritation, stomach upside, but 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:56.040 you know, I'm sitting here drinking of coffee and there's 1:26:56.320 --> 1:27:00.360 similar downside to coffee as well with nicotine. So it's 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:04.040 really the safest way that you can consume the product. 1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:07.480 And it's it's funny to see all of the restrictions 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:09.720 when you can easily go and buy a pack of 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:13.519 cigarette still, and so all of these, all of these 1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:17.439 barriers that we're putting up to a less harmful product 1:27:17.479 --> 1:27:22.200 and placing more taxes on it. It's it just does 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:24.840 not make sense if the end goal is to have 1:27:24.880 --> 1:27:28.639 people consuming in a safer way. It really does seem 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:33.960 like the end goal is prohibition and abstinence from any subject. 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.040 Well, I think the other leg of the stool here 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:38.360 between you know, companies and the government, of the fact 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:42.800 of the the big business that is the health prevention people, 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:45.559 the health the health people right. The Long Association Heard 1:27:45.560 --> 1:27:50.000 Association where Association amou BE is when the vaping trend 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:53.040 started to take years and years ago. What surprised me 1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:55.360 is some of the same people that said, oh my god, 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:57.720 we've got to sue tobacco companies out of existence, and 1:27:57.720 --> 1:28:00.880 they're they're killing people. They are being seemed a good 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:03.280 way to wean yourself off of traditional tobacco. And yet 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:06.080 they fought just as hard as they did against traditional tobacco, 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:08.320 is it against vape? And some of them are fighting 1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:11.400 against nicotine pouches and I'm like, that's a much safer 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:13.880 alternative to what you get. So if you, you know, 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:15.600 if you stamp out the problem, not that you know, 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:17.320 we I don't know what the smoking levels, but they're 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:20.080 nowhere near where they used to be. Now your organization 1:28:20.160 --> 1:28:21.559 cees too. Is this so we have to find the 1:28:21.560 --> 1:28:23.040 next boogeyman in order to keep. 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:27.840 Our funding exactly exactly And what they will never say 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:32.240 is that they'll never point to the tobacco studies that 1:28:32.320 --> 1:28:35.040 are done at the national level that show our use 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:39.400 in adult smoking rates are at a historic level. They 1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:42.599 will never point that out. And why is that? Because 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:47.040 of new products like nicotine pouches, And they just want 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:49.599 to demonize this because they think it's from the same 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:55.120 old big tobacco of two decades before. And know these 1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:59.000 these are companies that want to have safer alternatives for 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:04.120 their for their client base because they know what their 1:29:04.160 --> 1:29:08.479 consumers want. And I'll go when I testify on these 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:12.160 issues to state legislators, the people that are arguing against 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:18.640 against access to these good products are not based in reality. 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:22.759 They really are, I think, just trying to keep their jobs, 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:25.360 arguing against big tobacco. 1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:25.920 And their mind right. 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:29.760 And they will argue that nicotine is as harmful and 1:29:29.800 --> 1:29:35.960 as substances like heroin, And I hear that line so 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:38.920 many times and it's the funniest thing to me. But 1:29:39.040 --> 1:29:41.759 it's sad because they think it's rooted in reality. 1:29:41.800 --> 1:29:43.719 It's any bits. 1:29:43.080 --> 1:29:44.720 Laugh at the What we got to do is to 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:47.080 save the children because children are being corrupted in their 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:49.400 bank And do agree, you knowuse children should not be 1:29:49.400 --> 1:29:52.760 buying intoxicating hemp products your carry out, But that is 1:29:52.800 --> 1:29:54.920 not a reason to shut the entire industry down because 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:58.120 somebody adults enjoy it. Uh, you know, whether it's THG 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:02.600 drinks or nicotine pouches or vaping, it's the same predictable 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:05.599 argument from the pearl clutters about, you know, protecting the show. 1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:07.760 We've got to shut that on protected children, damn it. 1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:09.960 With the adult market wants, we've got to do this 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:12.639 to save the children, which they're doing at the behest 1:30:12.720 --> 1:30:16.479 of well, the big health organizations as we mentioned, as 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:20.320 well as the big tobacco companies that are getting decreasing 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:23.400 revenue from tobacco here in the States, and so they 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:26.599 supplant that income and keep their shareholders happy with something else. 1:30:26.640 --> 1:30:29.400 With us Nicotine pouches are vape that shouldn't price out 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:31.240 the little guy though, and that's what's happening here, whether 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:34.880 it's fifty West or you know somebody who's selling vape 1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:39.240 juice to a local supplier. Anyway, Sophia Hamilton writing about 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:42.000 this in Reason She's with a Young Voices and thanks again, 1:30:42.040 --> 1:30:42.880 soph We appreciate it. 1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:45.679 Thank you so much for having me on Scott. 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:46.519 I appreciate it. 1:30:46.560 --> 1:30:49.840 Be well, good stuff there, and that's the libertary inside 1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:52.080 of me coming out. And I'm not saying you open 1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:54.240 it all up and it's a free There has to 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:57.320 be reasonable amounts of testing to make sure the product's 1:30:57.360 --> 1:30:59.599 safe as safe as it could be, but it shouldn't 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:01.800 take decad and it shouldn't be only available to the 1:31:01.840 --> 1:31:04.720 big pocketed companies. You can afford that Scott's Loan show 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:07.200 with News on the way, and when we're returning, what 1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:12.600 the no King's protests refused to accept the protesters and 1:31:12.640 --> 1:31:14.920 I get what you're complaining about when I sort of do. 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:17.000 It's a bunch of people complaining about different things, and 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:19.760 that's not one unified protest that just comes out as 1:31:19.760 --> 1:31:21.679 we hate Trump. We'll get into that next seven hundred 1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:26.360 WLW Scott Clone show, seven hundred weather. That lou Hes 1:31:26.520 --> 1:31:31.200 is fascinating, absolutely fascinating. That ladder leaning up against the 1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:33.479 building already, no one saw that coming. You saw a 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.000 ladder there, I went. It's kind of security issue and 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.240 somebody breaks in. When the what's seven to ten minutes 1:31:38.720 --> 1:31:41.759 took off with a portion of the French Crown jewels 1:31:41.760 --> 1:31:45.920 and Napoleon jewels, that's pretty Uh, it's actually pretty Pink Panther. 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:49.040 I'm not talking about the Steve Martin one. I'm talking 1:31:49.040 --> 1:31:52.680 about the Oldsco. If you're old enough, remember uh was 1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:54.880 that Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther movies? 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:57.400 The minute that story broke. Well, you have France, we 1:31:57.439 --> 1:32:00.439 have a jewelized Where is inspector gluso? 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:05.200 That's nothing med dig all right, go look it up, kids, 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:08.280 go look it up. Home stretcher will he takes over 1:32:08.360 --> 1:32:11.840 at twelve o'clock. And this weekend we had the No 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:15.519 Kings rally. I did, actually I did the Little King's 1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:18.160 rally myself. I was rallying for some Little Kings because 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:22.759 start on Friday afternoon and don't until Saturday night. Anyway, 1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:25.519 looked like pretty decent turnouts this weekend if you're into 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:29.000 protests and estimated I think they said seven million nationally, 1:32:29.040 --> 1:32:31.479 big group of people at small riverfront Park and elsewhere. 1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:35.120 And uh, I know our Republicans old brand. This is 1:32:35.160 --> 1:32:40.519 a hate America rally. I mean, come on, you know 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:42.920 some people may hate America in that group, sure, but 1:32:43.280 --> 1:32:45.120 I mean one could say it's a hate America rally. 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:47.160 You could say the same thing about Jay six, you know, 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:51.680 trying to unsuccessfully subvert the Constitution. Because the MyPillow guy 1:32:51.720 --> 1:32:54.560 said so that just seems like hack politics and a 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:57.519 hacked defense. I don't you know, I thought the No 1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:01.400 Kings rally was stupid for different reasons because typically in 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:03.760 these things it's just the it's it's a bunch of 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:10.160 aggrieved progressives with different causes and different you know, anger 1:33:10.200 --> 1:33:15.439 points and talking points and assorted beefs under the common 1:33:15.520 --> 1:33:17.000 threat of we hate Trump. 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:18.160 And it's just more of the same. 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:21.800 Participant groups include you had the a c LU there, 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:24.479 you had teachers unions, you had the Human Rights Campaign, 1:33:24.560 --> 1:33:27.760 you had Indivisible and move on. I'm not quite you're indivisible, 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:29.960 but move on, we know goes back to the move 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:34.519 on from the war. Nonetheless, it's a bunch of people 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:37.920 with various indifferent interests, but the same hate for Trump, 1:33:37.960 --> 1:33:40.080 I guess. And that doesn't to me. It's like, okay, well, 1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:42.400 what else is new? What else do you have? It's 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:45.080 not like one central thing. It's just well, you know 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:47.080 what it is alone. It's fascism, That's what it is. 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:48.680 It's it's fair. I mean, just look at the young 1:33:48.720 --> 1:33:53.040 Republican chats for example. It's fascism. It's you know, Trump's 1:33:53.040 --> 1:33:54.960 a lot of things, and some of it I like, 1:33:55.000 --> 1:33:58.040 some of it I don't like, but the whole tired 1:33:58.080 --> 1:34:02.679 fascism trope. I mean, every time there's a Republican it's fascist. 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:05.880 Reagan was a fascist when I was younger, and then 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:07.240 every Republican. 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:07.879 Between is a fascist. 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:12.559 It's Fascism is closer ideologically to communism, you know. So 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:15.960 you have Marxist socialism, you have capitalism, liberal capitalism, that's 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.040 a blend to that. So and then all you're doing 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:20.120 is to you're taking public and private sectors and putting 1:34:20.200 --> 1:34:23.320 under a central government and central ideology. So privately, yeah, 1:34:23.320 --> 1:34:26.040 you can have private industry, but the ultimate authority is 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:28.280 the state, and so you've got a lot of censorship. 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:30.839 And I just I don't. 1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:33.479 See how someone who has a track record of being 1:34:33.720 --> 1:34:39.599 anti authoritarian and a capitalist is a fascist. 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:42.240 That's again, Donald Ruby, Calma j you want. 1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:46.519 But fascist is such a it's such a character, that's incorrect, 1:34:46.880 --> 1:34:50.000 you know, Fascists witnes to point judges and jurists who 1:34:50.360 --> 1:34:52.320 want to minimize the authority of the federal government. It's 1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:58.719 exact opposite. The real problem, though, are the executive orders. 1:34:59.800 --> 1:35:02.200 Now we've had a decreased, believe it or not, of 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:04.080 all things in the number of execut doors issue. If 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:06.559 you look at presidencies over the last twenty years, and 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:10.120 recent presidents have seemingly man they're just doing everything by 1:35:10.120 --> 1:35:13.280 executive order, which is sure like for the front part 1:35:13.320 --> 1:35:16.000 of the front loadings increased thematically, like Trump signed I 1:35:16.000 --> 1:35:17.840 think one hundred and forty three executive orders in the 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:21.599 first hundred days, Franklin Roosevelt saying ninety nine. But by 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:23.920 the way, Franklin Roosevelt is the goat when it comes 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:27.840 to executive orders. He wrote over thirty seven hundred of 1:35:27.880 --> 1:35:30.280 them during his years as president. Of course, that spanned 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:32.439 an ungodly amount of time. He was in office for 1:35:32.479 --> 1:35:37.000 like now forty five years, and you most you're going 1:35:37.040 --> 1:35:39.880 to get now is two two terms, so that with 1:35:39.920 --> 1:35:42.760 a grand assault. However, I think part of the issue 1:35:42.800 --> 1:35:46.160 here is the numbers have declined, but they become more political, 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:49.120 and they're front loaded, and it's all part and partial descent, 1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:52.559 you know, to the politics. To discuss most of us, 1:35:52.560 --> 1:35:54.120 it'd be the partisan warfare. To just make a lot 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:59.360 of sense, you can talk about well, for example, Obama himself, 1:35:59.439 --> 1:36:03.559 DHAKA is a Obama edict, so was a Clean Power Plan, 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:06.640 but also the Affordable Care Act. A lot of that 1:36:06.680 --> 1:36:09.599 got done because well, let's face it, the executive order, 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:11.920 and then Biden picked right back up on this other thing. 1:36:11.920 --> 1:36:12.200 Gotcha. 1:36:12.240 --> 1:36:15.400 Oh my god, he's subverting congresses. He's a titan, and 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:18.320 he's a fascist because he's a king, because he just 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:19.599 writes these executive orders. 1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:23.040 Hold up just a second. They're skipping now. 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:25.720 You got to point that dirty under the stick at 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:28.679 yourself somewhat here because your boy Biden, in his first 1:36:28.680 --> 1:36:32.320 mom signed I think twenty executive order. It was like, 1:36:32.920 --> 1:36:34.720 somewhere are on twenty in the first two days, I think, 1:36:34.800 --> 1:36:37.479 first forty eight hours, and he went nuts with the pen. 1:36:38.560 --> 1:36:40.960 And one of the things he was into was DEI. 1:36:41.320 --> 1:36:44.280 So this whole anti woke feeld that came about is 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:49.519 because of he writing single handedly executive orders leading to 1:36:49.920 --> 1:36:53.480 the DEI policies that have been refuted now by Republicans 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:57.760 who are in charge. It's like, okay, well, you're celebrating 1:36:57.800 --> 1:37:01.880 the fact that Biden expanded DEI training in that the 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:05.600 you know, uh, there's equitable treatment in the government workforce 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:08.559 when it comes to people, and uh, there's advanced pay 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:10.920 to address racial and gender pay gaps and all this 1:37:11.000 --> 1:37:13.640 other noise and nonsense. Then about half the country more 1:37:13.720 --> 1:37:17.360 disagree with like the gender pay gap. Well, you know 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:19.759 gender Okay, why do women make less than men. Well, 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:23.880 women take time out to have kids, or they leave 1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:25.920 the workforce for a while and then raise kids and 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:26.439 come back. 1:37:26.280 --> 1:37:28.960 To the workforce later, like my wife did. Should you 1:37:29.000 --> 1:37:30.080 just pick up where you left off? 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:32.200 And they're like, well, just because of age, now you 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:34.320 get x amount of how you get paid the same 1:37:34.360 --> 1:37:36.479 as a person who's been in that position a lot 1:37:36.479 --> 1:37:38.000 longer than you have to. No, of course that doesn't 1:37:38.000 --> 1:37:40.000 make any sense. I mean, if that were the case, 1:37:40.280 --> 1:37:43.799 no one would ever hire a guy. Everyone in the workforce. 1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:45.719 If you're a woman, you're willing to work for less. 1:37:45.800 --> 1:37:48.240 You know, seventy seventy cents on seventy seven cents on 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:52.760 the dollar. Companies above us want profit right, and if 1:37:52.760 --> 1:37:54.200 you look at the bottom lines, so well, why we're 1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:54.880 hiring guys. 1:37:55.320 --> 1:37:57.040 We just hired a bunch of women. They're willing to 1:37:57.040 --> 1:37:57.639 work for less. 1:37:58.000 --> 1:38:00.000 It's the same reason we outsourced jobs of different country 1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:02.479 is because of the wage scale. It's just the stupidest 1:38:02.520 --> 1:38:06.479 argument ever. But that's something he signed into law by 1:38:06.560 --> 1:38:11.040 executive order or Climate action for that matter. You know, 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:13.680 cancel the first thing he did, cancel the Keystone XL pipeline. Well, 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:16.040 how's that looking when we know we're getting our fuel 1:38:16.040 --> 1:38:18.519 from our enemies. How's that looking? Gas press up here? 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:20.320 Four or five dollars? Again, not a good idea. It's 1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:22.400 not a good look, Joe. You know, you can wish 1:38:22.479 --> 1:38:26.040 that we're all in a new energy economy where everything's 1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:28.599 a windmill or a battery or whether the sun or whatever, 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:30.240 but we're not anywhere close to doing that right now. 1:38:30.280 --> 1:38:32.080 We still live a good one hundred plus years of 1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:35.439 relying on petroleum. Just the way things are set up 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:37.400 doesn't mean you can't do better and work towards it. 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:40.200 But again with the subsidy that winds up costing a 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:43.479 lot more, and again with the pushing the agenda rather 1:38:43.520 --> 1:38:46.959 than reality. But the same people are out there protesting 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:50.519 in the No King's rally, we're celebrating Joe Biden and 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:53.559 Oba Barack Obama for Affordable Care Act, which is again 1:38:53.640 --> 1:38:58.479 more subsidy. But climate and DEI and all these things. 1:38:58.920 --> 1:38:59.479 Where were you? 1:38:59.520 --> 1:39:02.920 Why were you protesting the fascism in the king then 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:05.599 when the king on your side, your king, was doing 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:09.840 all this stuff. So I look at this and I 1:39:09.880 --> 1:39:12.200 just kind of smile and laugh because I realized the 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:16.360 nonsensical nature of partisan politics and the culture wars feed 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:20.880 into this whole narrative. You Ca'm sorry, it seems disingenuous 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:23.640 to me for you to be protesting and burning an 1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:26.439 effigy the president, and I certainly am not the biggest 1:39:26.479 --> 1:39:29.160 Trump fan of this radio station. Some stuff I look 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:31.000 at you go pretty good. Other stuff I look at 1:39:31.040 --> 1:39:33.160 you go, I don't get it. The tariff, I don't 1:39:33.200 --> 1:39:35.599 get it. Some of the stuff he says, I get it, 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:37.720 But I'm calling it like I see it. And if 1:39:37.760 --> 1:39:39.840 you're gonna be out there upset that this guy is 1:39:39.880 --> 1:39:42.759 a dictator in your opinion, and a fascist and whatever 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:47.720 other ist it is wrongly labeled, I'll add then I 1:39:47.720 --> 1:39:50.760 would suggest, Okay, where were you when your guy was 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:52.960 doing this just a few years ago. Nowhere to be found, 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:56.000 because it supported things that you believe in your core, 1:39:56.640 --> 1:39:58.360 and that indeed is the problem. That's why we need 1:39:58.400 --> 1:39:59.800 a rule of law and things to applot all of 1:39:59.880 --> 1:40:02.479 us the same way. I suppose it's like turning a 1:40:02.479 --> 1:40:04.800 blind eye towards our it's our guy, so he can 1:40:04.880 --> 1:40:07.280 cheat the system and do the same things. Now we're 1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:09.280 accusing the other side of you, much like what's going 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:13.360 on with the Young Republicans tech scandal. There are a 1:40:13.400 --> 1:40:16.360 lot of outrage Democrats and enters our outrage Republicans too. 1:40:17.880 --> 1:40:20.320 But you know, let's not forget. We also just went 1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:23.920 through this period where we had we had lawmakers with 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:28.320 some avowed anti semitism publicly being anti Semitic, and there 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:31.479 wasn't any fallout from that from from your party or 1:40:31.600 --> 1:40:35.280 Charlie Kirk's assassination or anything along those lines. It's just, 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:38.000 you know, you'll taller if you're drinking the political kool aid. 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:41.040 You will tolerate your side's beliefs and then of course 1:40:41.080 --> 1:40:45.760 absolutely obliterate the other side when they're guilty of something 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:48.599 that didn't defend you previously. It's just while the rest 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:49.920 of us in the middle just throw our hands up 1:40:49.960 --> 1:40:51.800 and go, this is stupid. Where are we getting with 1:40:51.840 --> 1:40:56.280 all this? We're getting nowhere. And whether it's Trump or Biden, 1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:59.519 they both, you know, they using executive orders aggressively when 1:40:59.680 --> 1:41:03.320 there's gridlock. They got to focus on the core issues 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:08.000 to their constituency. And you're going to get court challenges 1:41:08.000 --> 1:41:09.920 and there's gonna be some reversals in there as well. 1:41:09.960 --> 1:41:11.560 And now it seems like court spends a lot of 1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:14.479 time reversing the executive orders, and then this is why 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:15.880 the President gets up and says, this is why we 1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:16.679 got to change things. 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:17.920 Otherwise nothing can get done. 1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:20.400 And we've got this incredible gridlock in our country that 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:22.080 I don't have to tell you have a government shutdown. 1:41:22.120 --> 1:41:24.960 That shutdown over well, an issue that's not going away 1:41:24.960 --> 1:41:28.080 anytime soon. As I pointed out, we're shutting the government 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:30.479 down over the core issue is healthcare. And the reason 1:41:30.520 --> 1:41:32.559 why we're doing that is because it's the one single 1:41:32.600 --> 1:41:35.840 issue that Democrats have on their side. Everything else they 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:37.920 lose to Trump and the GOP on when it comes 1:41:37.920 --> 1:41:38.839 to public opinion. 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:39.840 They've got one thing. 1:41:40.000 --> 1:41:42.080 Well, I think it's the equal pay thing, you know, 1:41:42.160 --> 1:41:44.920 workplace that that doesn't really that's not getting a lot 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:47.639 of traction because look at how well women are doing 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:52.280 from college on upward. You're excelling. Good for you, that's good. Unfortunately, 1:41:52.280 --> 1:41:53.519 I think it comes at the expense of a lot 1:41:53.560 --> 1:41:56.600 of young men. And at the same time, one of 1:41:56.640 --> 1:41:58.639 the other issues that they have is healthcare. They win 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:01.960 on healthcare that they have a plan, No, they've got 1:42:01.960 --> 1:42:05.599 a band aid, they've got relief. A subsidy doesn't fix 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:08.960 the problem that healthcare is too damn expensive. But at 1:42:09.000 --> 1:42:11.320 least it's something to go, Hey, we're giving you temporary 1:42:11.320 --> 1:42:14.200 relief to help you pay your healthcare bills. I talk 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:16.479 to Republicans about this, and it's well, we need to 1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:20.720 get America healthy again. Okay, great, that's great. Well we 1:42:20.760 --> 1:42:23.040 also need to we have more accountability, and we need 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:25.240 more competition. Okay, awesome, we need to do that. You're right, 1:42:25.720 --> 1:42:28.479 how does that pay my bill that's due tomorrow? And 1:42:28.520 --> 1:42:30.840 I think that's what most Americans look at, right, Okay, 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:34.519 I get that the Affordable Care Act is broken and 1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:37.000 it's just a band aid fix. We're just taking money 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:39.559 we don't have and spending it on this temporarily so 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:41.080 you can get to the next page. It's like a 1:42:41.080 --> 1:42:43.519 paycheck loan for healthcare. It's what it is. It's gonna 1:42:43.520 --> 1:42:44.800 get It's not gonna solve the problem. It's going to 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:45.719 get you to the next payday. 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:46.200 Okay. 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:48.920 But that's something that I think working people, a lot 1:42:48.960 --> 1:42:51.640 of Americans look at. Go, I don't like it. It 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:55.360 cost us more money until we fix the problem. Fine, 1:42:57.160 --> 1:43:00.120 but we're not fixing the problem. And if Republicans have 1:43:00.120 --> 1:43:02.200 an alternative to healthcare. Sure would love to hear something 1:43:02.280 --> 1:43:04.800 rather than going, we got to make America healthy again. Great, 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:08.519 we'll teach kids to eat carrots, we will tea which, 1:43:08.560 --> 1:43:10.320 by the way, I think Michelle Obama tried to do 1:43:10.360 --> 1:43:11.840 that and then she got left out of the building 1:43:11.920 --> 1:43:13.200 on republic. 1:43:13.840 --> 1:43:17.840 We're gonna make kids eat carrots again. Politics is such 1:43:17.840 --> 1:43:20.400 a joke. So I look at the whole thing and go, 1:43:20.439 --> 1:43:22.800 all right, well, what's the alternative. Well, we're gonna teach 1:43:22.840 --> 1:43:24.960 people how to take how to have a stake in 1:43:24.960 --> 1:43:26.400 their own health and so they do know need too much, 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:28.400 and they do the right thing and they exercise. 1:43:28.400 --> 1:43:30.479 Awesome, That's that's one good. But what about the forty 1:43:30.520 --> 1:43:35.000 or fifty year old now that can't afford the subsidized healthcare, 1:43:35.240 --> 1:43:39.040 the healthcare without a subsidy. Those are great solutions and 1:43:39.040 --> 1:43:41.600 maybe ways to prevent future generations from me dependent on 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:43.599 health care. But it doesn't fix the here and now, 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:47.320 even temporarily. So I don't think that's much of a plan. 1:43:47.360 --> 1:43:49.680 It's a platitude, It's what it is. Why not just 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:51.840 come out, let's say we're gonna blow the healthcare system up. 1:43:51.880 --> 1:43:54.280 The problem, of course, is it's going to be the 1:43:54.280 --> 1:43:56.880 lobby groups. It's going to be the healthcare insurance lobby, 1:43:56.880 --> 1:44:00.160 the doctor's lobby, the pharmaceutical lobby, lobby, lobby lobby that 1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:01.960 gets in the year of lawmakers, both on the left 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:03.719 and right, and make sure that we have this crappy 1:44:03.760 --> 1:44:07.880 system because whether it's you know, single pair, double pair, 1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:10.840 triple pair, whatever, they're fat and happy, and so let's 1:44:10.840 --> 1:44:13.000 not rock the apple cart. The other thing I think, too, 1:44:13.160 --> 1:44:16.000 is that we don't fix the system simply because if 1:44:16.000 --> 1:44:21.280 there's any fallout whatsoever, the party that's responsible for enacting 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:23.439 the changes, even though they may wholly be better than 1:44:23.439 --> 1:44:26.080 what we have right now, they're going to wind up 1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:28.400 paying in an election if somebody gets sick or somebody 1:44:28.400 --> 1:44:29.920 gets left out, or what about that. And you don't 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:32.200 have carve outs either, So what's the point of having 1:44:32.200 --> 1:44:35.240 a politician. Whole goal of politics and politicians are what 1:44:35.720 --> 1:44:39.040 is it? Get carve out subsidy and relief for your voters, 1:44:39.120 --> 1:44:42.680 not the other guy, but your voters. And so I 1:44:42.760 --> 1:44:45.080 just don't see a system or healthcare changes anytime soon. 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:48.040 The simple solution would be to go you're no longer 1:44:48.040 --> 1:44:51.439 allowed to provide healthcare in your workplace, I take an 1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:54.320 executive order, take some big stones too, and it's pretty 1:44:54.320 --> 1:44:56.400 ballsy to go all right, you're not in the business 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:58.639 of supplying healthcare, go find it on the free market, 1:44:59.200 --> 1:45:02.439 and that would incre competition, it reduced costs, transparency, other 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:05.160 government nonsense of go away. And then the people who 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:07.599 really fell between the cracks, which is a lot of people, 1:45:07.600 --> 1:45:10.519 by the way, we could afford to pay health care 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:14.320 for them and I and still have money left over 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:17.360 to put towards the deficit. It's an easy solution. But 1:45:17.400 --> 1:45:20.920 the problem is lobbyist, it's Congress, it's politics that are ingrained, 1:45:21.280 --> 1:45:22.760 and this is why we'll have more of the same. 1:45:22.800 --> 1:45:25.400 And for most of us, it's just frustrating, a frustrating 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:29.200 exercise in a sense that you know, we can see 1:45:29.360 --> 1:45:31.120 a way to make a change here, and that is 1:45:31.240 --> 1:45:33.880 make more of a libertarian kind of argument and going 1:45:34.000 --> 1:45:36.599 you buy your health insurance on the free market, as 1:45:36.640 --> 1:45:41.120 you do your current insurance, your renter's insurance, your life insurance, whatever, insurance, 1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:43.960 insurance for your dog. It's all on the market. It's transparent, 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:45.880 it's easy, you pay for it out of your own pocket. 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:49.120 Used to be that way, and then we attach it 1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:51.600 to employment, and that's a whole nother thing, especially the 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:53.800 gig economy, because now people want to do their own 1:45:53.840 --> 1:45:55.760 thing and not have to do a nine to five, 1:45:55.840 --> 1:45:58.559 which is a huge boon for our economy. On top 1:45:58.600 --> 1:46:01.320 of this as well, save money and grower economy. Sounds 1:46:01.320 --> 1:46:03.760 like a plan, but this is where we stand right now. 1:46:03.800 --> 1:46:07.000 So the No Kings, Little King's protest, whatever it is, again, 1:46:07.360 --> 1:46:09.160 it's just more of the same, more noise, a bunch 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:12.000 of a grieved people with the only commonality between them 1:46:12.360 --> 1:46:14.160 is a fact they don't like Donald Trump because he's 1:46:14.200 --> 1:46:17.040 a fascist, although he's really not. And when our guide 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:19.240 did the same thing with executive orders, we just turned 1:46:19.240 --> 1:46:22.800 a blind eye, which is the hypocrisy of politics. This 1:46:22.920 --> 1:46:24.960 is a perfect leading for Bill Conningham coming up at 1:46:25.000 --> 1:46:26.920 twelve oh six right after news here on the home 1:46:26.920 --> 1:46:29.920 of the best Bengals coverage, seven hundred WW Cincinnati