1 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. 2 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Who's back. I'm back, I'm Scott, and Mark is back. 3 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: You had me scared for a minute. You laid down 4 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: on the floor. 5 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: Well after the last break when you were doing push ups. 6 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: I had to do some stuff. 7 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. We're doing sit ups or something over there. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: you're with Gardens Alive, chief horticulturist, good guy, good good, 9 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: knowledgeable guy, expert you know, and all kinds of things. 10 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you're here. 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. 12 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: In fifteen minutes, we're gonna have doctor Paul Caapiella join 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: us from you Dell Gardens, a potentacle gardens down in 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Louisville or crestwoodsood. 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: He'll raise the class of this show a bit. 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Oh he will. 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 18 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: He's a phdah you knew that right. 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: And just a fine human. 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite people, honestly. And we are 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: going to crown or debunk common garden wisdom, chestnuts or 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: neither or yes, yeah, because we might not know sometimes 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: we won't. We'll just discuss them anyway. We want your 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: calls for that. If you have experience with trying things 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: that are out there, bits of information, the common things 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: that are mentioned all the time. What worked, what didn't? 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: Give us a call? We'll be taking those calls. Eight 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: hundred eighty two three eighty two fifty five. Do you 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: want to mention that you can join in the fun 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: of in the garden on Facebook with Ron rothis and friends. 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: And we're going to go right to things you should 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: have done last week timely tasks. I was prepared, you 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: were not. Well. 34 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: I don't like homework, Scott. What really has held me 35 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: back in my everything pursuits? 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: Yeah I can. I can see the notes time here. 37 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Mil Mark doesn't apply himself. Yeah yeah that happened. Oh 38 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, bes B minuses C plus is if you 39 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: only tried. 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could have got to see if I tried that. 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: That was the story of my grade school and high 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: school and college. Yeah. 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've we've really made the success of ourselves. 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: We were late bloomers, right, Yeah, that's what we can 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: tell ourselves. So what is your first timely task? 46 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: Well, Scott, the slugs have been horrible because of all 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: the rain. Yeah, just off, I mean bad, And you 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: know there's the slug baits that with the iron. 49 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: Fossil baits in that you know it's safe. 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: Well. 51 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: Plus I'm just not sure how much you can use 52 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: if you will build up too much phosphate and yeah 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: oil and uh so it can only do so much. 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: So in beer traps, that has never worked. 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: A total waste of beer. 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Beer. 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: It's a good reason to open a beer. 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: And that's the only reason I do go into the 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: trap of alcoholic yeah. Yeah, but that's never worked. But 62 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: I I searched online, and when I did my search 63 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: for slug bait, yeah trap, I put the pdf on 64 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: like Jared recommended, and so you came to. 65 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: A universe your question in and then dot pdf which 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 1: will get you the like extension and yeah, and their 67 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: university yeah answers and some university in the midwest, Wisconsin, 68 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: Ohio state someone they recommend it. 69 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: There By far, the best lure was basically a yeast 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: bread dough. Flower makes water and yeast and you just 71 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: make a real liquidy slurry of it and put it 72 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: in your trap. And so I'm going to try that. 73 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: When you get their blood sugar level up, they get 74 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: diabetes and die or where's the dying. 75 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: They drowned. They drown it, or you can make a 76 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: dough and you're supposed to go out there and pick 77 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: them off. I don't want to pick off. 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: That slime is on your hand from Yeah, it's. 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: Hard, amazing, interesting substance it is. So that's what I 80 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: wish I would have done a month ago. 81 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: What about diatamacious earth? I've heard that is you know, 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: you put it down and you have no way of 83 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: knowing if it worked or nothing. That might be another 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: one that might be a good one for the trope conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm just going to reiterate, like I think I'm going 86 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: to do every week, weed we Your life as a 87 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: gardener is so much better if you keep weeding. You 88 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: stay on top of the weeds. 89 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: Oh, I know, you're right, Scott. It's hard to catch 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: up and yeah yeah yeah. 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: And if you ever let those darn things go to see, 92 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: you're just starting to cycle all over again. So stay 93 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: on top. It's easy with this. I love a scuffle hoe. 94 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: You can go out in spots pray with you know, 95 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: glyphysate or whatever your product the choice is. And we'll 96 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: talk about vinegar and some of these other things during 97 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: the trope section of the show. 98 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, if you can stay on top, 100 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: your life is gonna be better. 101 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 102 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: I just had this discussion with a coworker because he 103 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 2: lets some weeds get out of control in this one. 104 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: Area and this seat fired. 105 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: Well we're putting them on Yeah, probation. 106 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: One more slip up. 107 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: But there's this not weed, a little weedy polygonum. Oh yeah, 108 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: and this thing it is so hard to pull. 109 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: Out of the ground. They all are, I think. 110 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, and so had it been weeded a 111 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: little earlier, life would be a lot easier, exactly. 112 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a good time of year to mention this. 113 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: Observe trees for health because they're leafed out now, they're 114 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: as leafed out as they're going to be. So now 115 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: is the time to see if your tree is healthy. 116 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: And you can do that on the ground just looking 117 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: at it to some extent. Are the leaves off color? 118 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: Should the tree be deep green and it's kind of 119 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: weak green, that's a good sign you might have a problem. 120 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: If it's yellow, that's another sign of another kind of problem. 121 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: Are the leaves smaller than they normally are, and it's 122 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: hard to notice that because it kind of happens insidiously 123 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: over years. But if you have a sugar maple, those 124 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: should be big leaves. You know that by looking at 125 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: sugar maples elsewhere and comparing it to yours. And I know, 126 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: for example, my sugar maple has been stressing for years 127 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: and the leaves are just getting smaller and smaller and smaller. 128 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: So that's a good sign for the tree, though not 129 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: for the tree. No, it's a good indicator. I guess 130 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: they should say, are there a lot of dead branches? 131 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: You know, just that at a dead branch at the 132 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: top of the tree here and there, more and more. 133 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: That's a sign that's under stress and something. 134 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: I'm watching that in our yard with a big old 135 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: wild black cherry. Oh you know, the development around us 136 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: took all of its buddies away, and that just stressed 137 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: that tree so much. 138 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that trees are codependent with the trees 139 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: around them. A lot of the time they root, graft, 140 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: and you know, they help each other with wind and 141 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: apparently signals when pests are around them. It's a whole 142 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: thing that's being studied. I don't know how much of 143 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: it it's true or not, but it's really interesting studies. Yeah, 144 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: our lichens piling up in the bark. The lichens themselves 145 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: are not a problem. They're not causing any harm to 146 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: the tree, but it could be an indicator that the 147 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: tree isn't growing much because they slough off or tend 148 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: to if the tree is expanding girth through the years. 149 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: Odd mush around the root system, oh bad sign. 150 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Those honey mushrooms are milarias. You see those. 151 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, they can pop up all over the place. 152 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: They can, and a lot of times they are not 153 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: a problem for your tree. But if you see them, 154 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: especially along the roots or under the drip line, and 155 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, then you start to think about maybe I 156 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: should call a good arborist in certified is a certified arborists? Yeah, 157 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: I have a look at that, because you know, a 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: rotted root system is bad news. That's where a lot 159 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: of trees fall. You know, not a problem if it's 160 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: way and you're back forty, but if it's up against 161 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: your house or along the sidewalk or any of those things, 162 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: you want to get it checked out. Sure, and get 163 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: it checked out before you just have the tree removed. 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: A lot of people go, I'm afraid it's gonna follow 165 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: my house and cut down perfectly healthy trees. Oh it 166 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: drives me crazy. 167 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does me too. 168 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna let just rot ride along the trunk. 169 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: You see. If you're seeing that, that's not a good 170 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: sign either. You have one more and then we'll go 171 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: to breaking down. We'll bring in Paul. 172 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: I wish I would have planned my winter squash by now, 173 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: but I'm going to really soon, not so much more organized. 174 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: It's not an organization, it's time. I've been traveling a lot, 175 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: and I'm not in a hurry. There's there's plenty of 176 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: stuff to do. 177 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Well. 178 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: I still have time, but I plan them planting them 179 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: in July and they mature just fine. 180 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah but okay, Yeah that's good. And you it's not 181 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: like you're short of vegetables to eat or anything. 182 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: And if you plant a little later, you might avoid 183 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: the squash buying bores. 184 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah that's the problem. 185 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: They're flying right now. I saw one the other day. 186 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: I hate those things. Yeah, they always wipe out mine. Anyway, 187 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: we're going to go to break When we come back, 188 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: we'll have Paul Kapiello join us, and we'll start a 189 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: whole garden tropes factor fiction segment or pretty much the 190 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: rest of the show, which will be a lot of 191 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: fun and very interesting, maybe controversial. We'll probably have tears 192 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: of sorrow, tears of joy. We might get our death threats. 193 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what's go to happen. 194 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: I hope we're speaking after this. 195 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: We might not be, and I hope we're still friends 196 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: with Paul because I like him a lot. 197 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good guy. 198 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: Anyway, you don't want him, no, So stay with us. 199 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: This break will be short and we'll come back with 200 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: all that fun you're listening to. Let's Garden with Scott Berline. 201 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: We'll be back at just short time. 202 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 5: We're a beautiful garden that's healthy and safe. 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Paul Kapiello, Doctor Paul Kapiella from Udell Gardens 245 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: or Botanical Gardens down in Crestwood, Kentucky, which is just 246 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: outside Louisville. Paul, are you there, I'm here, How you 247 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: doing this morning? 248 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: Nice to be with you. Yeah, I'm doing great. I 249 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: don't know if I'm best dressed this morning. I'm sitting 250 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: here in my garden and a T shirt and enjoying 251 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: the birds. 252 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: Just a T shirt. 253 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: I do have short Oh good, Okay, that's good. 254 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: Well Scott is topping us right now. 255 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, Paul, tell us a little bit about u. 256 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Dell Botanical Gardens. Oh, you. 257 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 3: Dell started about twenty four years ago. It was the 258 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: home and nursery and farm of Theodore and mart Lely Klein. 259 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: That Theodore was a great horticulturist, as you both know, 260 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: and brilliant plantsmen and created craftsmen. And he lived into 261 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: his nineties and was still planting oak seedlings until just 262 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: a few weeks before he passed away at the age 263 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 3: of ninety three, the eternal gardening optimist. And after a 264 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 3: few years a small group formed worked with the family, 265 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: bought the property from the family, originally the original thirty 266 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: four acres, and started turning it into a botanic garden. 267 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: When I started working there, I was part time. We 268 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: had another halftime office worker and I think about three 269 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: months of operating funds in the bank, and today we're 270 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: a staff of aver forty Wow and research and education 271 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: and display gardens and public outreach and all kinds of 272 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: great stuff and lots of brilliant people working there. 273 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: You do. You have a great staff. I try to 274 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: get there every year. I think I've been successful at that, 275 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: and it's really amazing to see what you've done, especially 276 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: last year with the big new garden that went in. 277 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: The Castle Garden. It was a huge addition and up grade. 278 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: And one of the nice things about you, Dell. One 279 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: of the benefits to our staff and how we operate 280 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: is just about every plant we put in the ground, 281 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: other than large trees that would take a long time 282 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: to produce, dark staff produce on site, so we don't 283 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: buy in plants. So that Castle Garden about five thousand 284 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: perennials and shrubs that went into it, and pretty much 285 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: every one of them got produced from seed cutting or 286 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: plug right on our property, which is which is a 287 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: great luxury to have when you're designing a garden. 288 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, just the amount of extra plants that provides for 289 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: you, you know, the cheap abundance of plants that you've propagated 290 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: and that backlog of them that you have, It just 291 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: gives you so many chances to live up to opportunities. 292 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. We tell Sadie Heckman, who's our garden manager, she 293 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: can pretty much have any plant in the world as 294 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: long as it's not forbidden by international treaty. So as 295 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: long as our nursery team can get a hold of 296 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: a seat or a cutting and getting you can have 297 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: it for the garden. 298 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: You're getting really good support from the Louisville community. 299 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: We are, and it's been amazing this year. Of course, 300 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: this spring was a little better than the spring of 301 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I think twenty twenty five it rained 302 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: every Saturday in April May in the first half of June, 303 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: and you know in this business, you don't get those 304 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: days back. This year, the great weather is combined with 305 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: I think people just finally really understanding what that place 306 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: is and. 307 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: When your plants offer yeah, the plant sales of life. 308 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean we've just been we've been so busy. 309 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: Everything is through the roof this spring, which has been 310 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: great to see people are enjoying it. 311 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: Now. I love the two U del mottoes that you 312 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: sent me. I'm going to read them off. U del 313 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: Motto Part one, If a plant saw we're on one 314 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: problem and doesn't create another, it's a winner for us. 315 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 1: And part two, we are equal opportunity exploiters of all plants, 316 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: regardless of stature of nature or geographical origin. There's a 317 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: little attitude in that there, Paul. 318 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is. And you know there's a there's a 319 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: third motto and this one on the board of you 320 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: Dell doesn't really like me to use, but one of 321 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: these days I'm going to make up a whole stack 322 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: of T shirts and on it we're going to print 323 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 3: let us kill it first, because that's that's that's one 324 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: of our unofficial guiding mottos. You know. We try to 325 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 3: bring in as much plant material, as diverse as an 326 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: array of plants as we can, and we do our 327 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: level best to figure out what it takes to kill 328 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 3: them and if they can survive that and like as 329 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: you said, if they solve a problem and they don't 330 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: create another, then that is one we propagate and get out. 331 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one one great use for botanical gardens 332 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: is to try out all the plants and report out 333 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: to the community, Hey that's a dog, don't even bother 334 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: Or conversely, these are the best ones. Come look at them, 335 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: write down their names, take a picture, and then you know, 336 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: do this at home. Yeah. 337 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So. 338 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: I've been meaning to get you on the show for 339 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: a little while now, but I've been waiting for the 340 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: right opportunity, and I think this is the perfect one. 341 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: The theme here that we're about to launch into is 342 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: garden Tropes facts or fiction. So we're going to take 343 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: on all the things you read and hear that been 344 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: passed down through the ages, probably uttered one time when 345 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: we were still in Togas or you roaming the planes, 346 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: and has been repeated ever since without ever being questioned. 347 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: So we're going to have some fun. We're probably gonna 348 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: step on a few toes. Who knows, new ones are 349 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: created every day too, and new ones are created absolutely yeah, 350 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: but this will be fun, and I do want our 351 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: listeners to call in, you know, if you have experience 352 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: with these things, what worked or what didn't, That would 353 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: be really great for us to hear those and also 354 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: tell you you're brilliant or you're wrong. 355 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: What's the number they call in? 356 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: They call in at eight hundred eighty two three eighty 357 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: two fifty five. Mark. Thank you, you're so much more 358 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: professional than I am. Anyway, let's get this started, and 359 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to start with two of mine. We all 360 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: put in some of these here. Oh you know what, 361 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: it's break time. We're going to leave you hanging on 362 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: what this brilliant next segment is all about, because it's 363 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: going to be fun. So we'll start with all the 364 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: tropes when we get back, which will be in just 365 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: a few minutes. You're listening to Let's Guarden with Scott Berlin. 366 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: All the podcasts are available where podcasts can be found, 367 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: you can join sooner or later. We're going to have 368 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: a website where you can find all the links and 369 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: information and all the things we're talking about. Pictures, uh 370 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: lists and so stay tuned. Tropes factor fiction coming up 371 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: in just a couple of minutes. We'll be right back. 372 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: Well. 373 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: Ants are known for being hardworking and industrious, which is 374 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 6: bad news for you when they end up in your house. Hey, 375 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 6: Gary Sulvan here. When you need to get rid of 376 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 6: ants fast, you need rescue ant baits. 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Do I have that right? 393 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: Is that your. 394 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: Titleh that's good enough for today? 395 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and uh, you know, sad news, but 396 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: good news for you. I guess congratulations to you. You're 397 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: retiring soon. 398 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: Well yeah, a roughly end of the year, but not 399 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: going away, so you're not done with me yet and 400 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: you're going to put up with me a little bit 401 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 3: longer I'll be I'll be hanging around in some capacity. 402 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: We're still work on what that capacity is. But you're 403 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: not through whipped me yet, Scott. You're stuck with me 404 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: for a little while long. 405 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: That's what they always say. But then they're gone and 406 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: you never you never hear from them. You're like, you remember, Paul, 407 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: anybody heard from him lately? 408 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: Just invite us to the party. That's always. 409 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we do want to be invited to the party. 410 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: Hopefully Marian throws a good one. I'm sure she will. Anyway, 411 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: we're going to take on garden tropes right now, factor fiction, 412 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: all those things you've heard down the line, question unquestioned, 413 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: We don't know. And I wanted to start somebody. You 414 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: mentioned new ones being started all the time, So I 415 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: was going to start with trends and uh, just these 416 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: things that pop up and the ideas that people have 417 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: for this reason or that. And first of all, I 418 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: wanted to talk take on no Mo. 419 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: May, Okay, no Mo May. 420 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think? Paul? 421 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: No? 422 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: Well, let's see, it depends on what you're mowing. I mean, 423 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: if you're if you're growing short fescue, that only grows 424 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: six inches tall. It's a great idea. I don't know. 425 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: I don't know anybody who's growing a short rescue lawn, 426 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: you know, lawns. Let me back up a little bit 427 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: with all these tropes, Scott, Yeah, I am sure if 428 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: my neurology just handed me a scalpel and said just 429 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 3: take a little bit off the hypofalmus, I'd probably make 430 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: some really big screw ups in their eyes and they'd 431 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: roll their eyes and do a radio show about all 432 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: the dopey things people do to their brain of the scalpel. So, 433 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: you know, with that said, you know we all have 434 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: those things. But you know, you just go back to 435 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: the very basics with a lawn. The greater percentage of 436 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: the leaf blade you cut off with every mowing, the 437 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: worst here loan performs, right, I mean, more consistent mowing 438 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 3: where you take a smaller percentage of the grass blade 439 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 3: off with each mowing is much better than taking ninety 440 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: percent of the lawn off with a single mowing. And 441 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: if you're not mowing in May, I don't know about you, 442 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: but my grass would grow about seventeen feet in the 443 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: month of May in Kentucky, and I'd need a BushHog 444 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: and a pombine. Yeah, you know, it's one of those 445 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: things that it sounds good. It's a great sound bite. 446 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: No no mo may make everybody, all the bugs and 447 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: the birds happy, right. You know. It sort of reminds 448 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: me of we have a little project in downtown Louisville 449 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: where these islands along one of the streets were planted 450 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: in native grasses, which was a great idea, but when 451 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 3: I looked at the documentation of why they did that, 452 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: they did it for the pollinators, except grasses are all 453 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: wind pollinated, so other than an occasional woodcock nesting in 454 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: you know, on Jefferson Street in downtown Louisville. So you know, 455 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 3: somebod these things sound great, they make sound great sound bites, 456 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 3: but I'd pass on no mo may. Yeah. 457 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: I think the idea is to promote you know, pollinators, 458 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: and you know, if that's your goal, why don't we 459 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: do less lawn may and turn more on into garden bed. 460 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: Well, let's just say you have a little wilder area 461 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: that doesn't need the constant attention. I think it should 462 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: be no mo may going into early June, because like, 463 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: if you do have nesting birds, they're not necessarily going 464 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: to be on the off the nests. 465 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: Always the devil's at advocate, aren't you, Martin. 466 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to just be supportive of those. But 467 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: great ideas. 468 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: The other one, the only other modern modern datren is 469 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: leave the leaves, which again sounds so sweet, it sounds 470 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: it's a great sound bite, it's a great idea, But 471 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,239 Speaker 1: it's not as simple as that. You know. You you 472 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: can't just leave big piles of leaves in your garden 473 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: beds or on your lawn. You need to mow them, 474 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: compost them something. But you can't have just mats of 475 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: wet leaves all winter long and into the summer in 476 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: your yard. You know. 477 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: I live in a neighborhood in Louisville called the Highlands. 478 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: I live on an eleventh of an acre, and our 479 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: yard is surrounded by one hundred year old oak trees. 480 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: So if I don't rake up my leaves sometime before Christmas, 481 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 3: I've got about thirteen feet of leaves piled over my 482 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 3: entire yards. 483 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: Grand filled grandkids in that. You could lose your grandkids 484 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: in lily. 485 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, I mean, I'm a big proponent of 486 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 3: organic matter in all kinds of uses in the garden. 487 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: But there's just an order of magnitude more than you 488 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: can use. I can't. I don't even have enough room 489 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 3: to compost all the leaves on my that's that fall 490 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: on my yard in the fall. And I think last year, 491 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: you know those tall paper bags you can you can buy, 492 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 3: you know, to gather up all your yard refuge. I 493 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: think I filled forty two of those last year. 494 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: And you have a small yard, right. 495 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: Yards. Yeah, I mean the lawn that I mow is 496 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 3: only in the front. And I've switched over to a tiny, 497 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: little one of those electric battery rechargeable mowers a few 498 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 3: years ago. My wife refers to it as the little 499 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: toy you know, the little kid's toy mower with the walls. 500 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: But you know, I've reduced my lawn to I think 501 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: it takes me four minutes to cut my whole lawn. 502 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: But you know, and you still need to you still 503 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: need a couple of beers after you're done. That's the 504 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: excuse that I've been mowing. Yeah, but I. 505 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 3: Think that that that adds to to Mark's comment about 506 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: you know you have a big proponent of lawn. I mean, 507 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: walking across the lawn barefoot is one of the great 508 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: pleasures of owning a residential property. But I mean, I 509 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: don't have much lawn. I like my little piece of lawn. 510 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: I like to go out and stand in at barefoot 511 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: and plants, and but most of my garden is most 512 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: of my yard is not lawn. It's all turned over 513 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: back to plants. Yeah, other plants. 514 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: And that's what that's what we should be fighting for. 515 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: That's what that's the end goal. And uh, Paul, one 516 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: of your tropes that you sent in was cut your 517 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: grass shorterer so you don't have to cut as often. 518 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 3: It sort of drives me crazy. 519 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: You know. 520 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: You see people pushing their lawnmower in July, and you 521 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: know they're cutting their lawn even if you can't hear 522 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: the mower because you can see the clouds of dust 523 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: everywhere because they're scalping the ground and et cetera. 524 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 5: You know. 525 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: I my lifelong goal is should be the CEO of 526 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: every company that manufactures lawnmowers and make three and a 527 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: half inches the lowest possible seven for your lawnmower. I 528 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: mean most lawnmowers. Yeah, most lawnmowers. As you know now 529 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: that you see now, I mean you can you can 530 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: put the blade down at like one inch. I wrote 531 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: an article for the Louisville Courier Journal recently and related 532 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 3: a story, and actually my wife read it and she said, 533 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: you never told me you got in trouble in the 534 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: home depot. But I was waiting, she was doing something. 535 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 3: I was in home depot and I went over to 536 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: the lawnmower section and I started adjusting all of the 537 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: settings on the display mowers to the highest height at 538 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: four inches, and I got accosted by the security guard. 539 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: You were on video. They probably showed that video to 540 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: all new hires. It's a training there's a training thing. Yeah, 541 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: if you see this guy first and then you need 542 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: to escort him. 543 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: Out longer, you know, longer lawns. You know, cutting it 544 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: at three and a half four inches, you just shift 545 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: the balance in favor of the grass and away from 546 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 3: the broad leaf weeds that most people are trying to 547 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 3: get rid of it. And so instead of spraying, you know, 548 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 3: water deep, cut high and enjoy it. 549 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: You know, one of the most beautiful lawns I've ever seen. 550 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: They cut their grass at five inches and you know, yeah, 551 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: and they had a lawn care service and that was 552 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: a pain for hard to even adjust that gets that hut. 553 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: It was actually too high. It was kind of hard 554 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: to walk through that lawn. And these are old folks, 555 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 2: so you know they're just shoving along. 556 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: They're just watching from the window. Oh yeah, that's what 557 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: maybe there. 558 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: But it was a beautiful one lawn. 559 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the best organic and naturally maintain lawns 560 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: I've ever seen is at Glenstone Museum in Potomac, Maryland. 561 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: I think you both know Paul Tucky who was there 562 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: for a long time as the sustainability chief, and they 563 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: maintained acres of the most beautiful lawn. They had not 564 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 3: sprayed anything on it in fifteen years. They mow it 565 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: that as high height as they can get on the equipment, 566 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: and it's just beautiful. 567 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been shifting mine higher and higher and I've 568 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: been kind of pleased with it. You know, it kind 569 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: of flops over sometimes so you're not really cutting it evenly, 570 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: but it still looks good and it does seem to 571 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: be winning the over the the creeping Charlie a little bit, 572 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: which is my main main problem. Let's go to one 573 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: here that is one of mine. Clay is the worst 574 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: kind of soil. I don't. I don't think that's true. 575 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: I think like if you have a very heavy sandy 576 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: or very sandy soil, but that way, that's much harder 577 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: to work with than clay, where if you can add 578 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: organic matter, it starts to open up and it's full 579 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: of nutrients and it's it's, it's it can become a 580 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: pretty good garden soil. 581 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to love clay here in Cincinnati. 582 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: We have no choice. 583 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yup. 584 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: What do you think, Paul? 585 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 3: You know, well, there's two things that are universal in 586 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: the garden world. It's I've traveled around the country electurally. 587 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: I always ask people these questions. Every gardener in the 588 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 3: world assumes that they have the worst soil and the 589 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: hardest gardening climate. It doesn't matter if you're in Wyoming 590 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: or New Jersey. The nice thing is whether you're on 591 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: you know, the whether you're at the beach in New 592 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: Jersey or you're in Cincinnati or Louisville. Clay the answer 593 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: is the same. It's very easy. It's organic matter. So 594 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter whether you have sand. This is one 595 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 3: you don't really have to hurt your brain a whole 596 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: lot about add organic matter, Add organic matter. Ad organic matter, 597 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 3: it helps hold hold more moisture in the soil. If 598 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 3: it's sandy, it helps improve drainage. If it's clay, it 599 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 3: adds a slow release nutrient source. 600 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: So hard to go wrong, right, I think with sandy 601 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: it's you have to even add more because it tends 602 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: to burn through it, So you need to continually add 603 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: organic matter, you know, to keep it keeping. 604 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: You know. 605 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: One of the things, one of the differences I noticed 606 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: when I moved from living near the coast of Maine 607 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: to gardening in Kentucky. In Maine, if you add organic 608 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 3: matter to your soil, it lasts about four hundred years 609 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 3: because the soil temperature never gets above the mid sixties 610 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 3: down about four inches. 611 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I never really thought of that. 612 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, cooler here in Kentucky. You you can kill yourself 613 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 3: all winter long adding organic matter, and by the fourth 614 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 3: of July most of it's been eaten up by microbes 615 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 3: because the microbial activity is so much higher because of 616 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 3: the higher soil temperatures. So it's it's very different, but 617 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: still the same answer. 618 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Here's another one. pH can be adjusted in 619 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: your soil. I think you know, on that one short term, 620 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: maybe a little if you had sulfur or aluminum maybe, yeah, 621 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: limestone you had like wine, well, if you want to 622 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: adjust it up, yeah, yeah. But ultimately, the the underlying 623 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: bedrock is is going to determine what your pH is. 624 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Paul? 625 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 626 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 3: And also the other thing people forget is if the 627 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 3: pah of my water here is about eight point two. Yeah, 628 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 3: So if you're trying to grow as zaleas in a 629 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 3: limestone soil and you're watering it with alkaline water, you know, yes, 630 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 3: you can alter the pH of your soil, but it's 631 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 3: a little bit like trying to hold back to the 632 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 3: ocean tide with a soup spoon. You know, it's just 633 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 3: a constant, constant, and it's just so much easier. You know, 634 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 3: if you really want to grow acid loving blueberries, just 635 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 3: do a raised bed and grow them all in pine 636 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 3: fines that are naturally acidic. But yeah, trying to change 637 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: that soil, Pah, it's a tough road to home. 638 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 2: And I think it's harder to bring down the pH 639 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: than it is to raise the pH. Yes, you know, 640 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: our carious soils or clay soils are very hard to 641 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: get down and keep down. But the key is if 642 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 2: you're going to do it, you have to base it 643 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: on soil test and be consistent and follow through over 644 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: the years. 645 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, So what about adding lime to your soil. 646 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: You know that's been recommended for years for grass. Oh yeah, 647 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: Danny just jumped in reminded me we need to take 648 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: a break. I've been so enthralled by this conversation. I 649 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: forgot about our break. 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You're listening to That's Garden with 672 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: Scott Berlin. Let me repeat that at a slower pace. 673 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: Eight hundred eight two three eighty two fifty five. I'm 674 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: talking with Mark Wessel and doctor Paul Capiella. We're talking 675 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: about garden tropes, and when we left, I had brought 676 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: up the one that you hear a lot add line 677 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: to your soil, usually in terms of like improving your lawn, 678 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: and Mark, you hit a thought on. 679 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 2: That well, and I get tired of saying this. Whenever 680 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 2: you're going to add any nutrient or mineral, you really 681 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 2: should base it on your soil test because the problem is, 682 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: especially with your bigger nutrients like you know, magnesium and lime. 683 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 2: This goes to the epsom salt trip. If you add 684 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: that willy nilly, what usually happens is you get an 685 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 2: excess of that and that limits other nutrients and micro nutrients. 686 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: It's like a whack them old thing with nutrients. 687 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's only so many pieces of the pie to 688 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 2: go around, and if you take too much of that 689 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 2: pie with one mineral, you're going to exclude another, and 690 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 2: then you're going to have other issues. 691 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: And then there's the whole ad gypsum to your soil. 692 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: I think that came out of it'll break up clay, 693 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: and I know that's been debunked. I don't know the details, Paul, 694 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: Do you know the details on that. 695 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a bad idea. 696 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: That's all. 697 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 3: We need to turn your soil into into a large 698 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 3: slab of dry wall basically. But actually I'll take us 699 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 3: back a little bit to the clay or ga matter 700 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 3: because it matches up with this, and that is you 701 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 3: know a lot of people, if they have clay, want 702 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 3: to add sand to their soil to improve drainage and aeration. 703 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 3: But you know there's There's this thing in soil and 704 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 3: sol management called the threshold proportion, and it's the amount 705 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 3: of an amendment you have to add to a soil 706 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 3: before you start to improve drainage and aeration and adding 707 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 3: sand to clay, basically, you have to get to the 708 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 3: point where you almost have ninety percent or more of 709 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 3: that soil made up of the sand before you start 710 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 3: to see an improvement. You actually, if you add thirty 711 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 3: percent sand to a heavy clay soil, you actually decrease 712 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 3: the aeration and drainage. And if you think about it, 713 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 3: it's sort of if you have a great big you know, 714 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 3: you've got to pick up bed full of softballs that 715 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 3: are what five inches in diameter, and you add a 716 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 3: bunch of bebes to it. The bbis or the clay, 717 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 3: the fine particles. The sand is the large softballs. The 718 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 3: small pieces infiltrate in among the big pieces and they 719 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 3: just clog up the soil. So sand actually is the 720 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 3: wrong way to go unless you're really planning to do 721 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 3: it big time, because you need to get over about 722 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 3: ninety percent of that course amendment. 723 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, I remember this from a garden 724 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 2: talk when I was just a kid. Sand and clay 725 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 2: equals concrete. 726 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: Really you can bind it up. Yeah yeah, and just yeah, 727 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: especially with the limestone soil, you know, right, Yeah, let's 728 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: just tackle a few things on moult Real quick wood 729 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: chips deplete nitrogen. You hear that a lot. You know again, 730 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: we're running right up on this break, so we'll get 731 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: to that when we come back. I'm here with Mark 732 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: Wessel from Gardens Alive and doctor Paul Capiello from U 733 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 1: del Botanic Gardens in Prestwood, Kentucky, right outside of Louisville, 734 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: a must see plete place for all of our listeners. 735 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: You are listening to That's Garden with Scott Berline. All 736 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: the podcasts can be found wherever podcasts can be found. 737 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: We're really glad you're with us. Give us a call. 738 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: We'll talk about your tropes or what work has worked 739 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: for you, what hasn't. Give us a call. Eight hundred 740 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: eighty two three eight two five five. We'll be right 741 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: back 742 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,959 Speaker 3: Down the back