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Speaker 2: com I'm assuming Thursday night football tonight on the fan.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's wild? Am I talking about?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 1: You got there?

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Speaker 2: Wild Blues? How could I possibly? Maybe it's on the

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Speaker 2: NFL channel. Do we have an iHeart NFL channel the

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Speaker 2: way we have like a Wolves channel channel.

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Speaker 4: I assume it's on Cafe and Plus tonight ninety six

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Speaker 4: point seven, and it was probably the Plus on the

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Speaker 2: Big ballgames, I mean the two teams that despise each other,

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Speaker 2: the always plucking New York Giants hosting the Super Bowl champion, right,

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles. Didn't they win the Super Bowl this last year?

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Speaker 2: Fortunately they did? Yeah, four and one versus one and four.

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Speaker 2: There's your Thursday night game. Oh goodie, it's football, it's

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Speaker 2: pro football. I get it, but doesn't really do all

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Speaker 2: that much for me. Russo Radio will file a live

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Speaker 2: report speaking of the Wild tonight on the fan.

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Speaker 1: He will join from Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: Meet me in Saint Louis or meet me No, what's

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Speaker 2: the bit meet me in Saint Louis Louis.

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Speaker 1: Is that from a song?

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Speaker 2: Or is that just a saying look up? Meet me

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Speaker 2: in Saint Louis. Comma Louis. That's not the ways to

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Speaker 2: leave your lover song? Right, No, Simon and Garfunkel, I

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Speaker 2: don't think so, and that is only Paul Simon, Garfunkel

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Speaker 2: and Simon and garfunkele by vap that point despised?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Always?

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Speaker 1: Bad boy?

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Speaker 4: Are you talking about Meet Me in Saint Louis in

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Speaker 4: nineteen forty four Christmas musical film?

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: But I wonder if that lyric is from that Meet

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Speaker 2: Me in Saint Louis, Louie get it.

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Speaker 1: Clever? Is it?

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure Gerbschmid has called in as Lewis from

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Speaker 4: Saint Louis before.

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Speaker 2: That's probably tru snuck By. You're probably right about that.

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Speaker 2: So Russo on the wild season, Oprah tonight? Have we

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Speaker 2: have we lost any other players to injury at the

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Speaker 2: morning skate?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. Brodean's not gonna play. He's not

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Speaker 4: going to play. I know he's day to day.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's I thought hockey was the tough guy sport.

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Speaker 1: I'm all confused.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this our former load management or we

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Speaker 2: just why can't we keep people healthy?

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Speaker 4: Our training camp is too tough. Must be what John hines.

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Speaker 4: We've lauded it the.

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Speaker 2: Less Deckel style of training camp too much junction boys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another term for it.

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Speaker 4: Meet Me in Saint Louis Louis is a popular song

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Speaker 4: from nineteen oh four.

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Speaker 2: Of course, what am I Saint Louis World's fair? Ah

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, highly acclaimed one of the best world's fairs ever.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know why?

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Speaker 4: No, yes, I do, because we celebrated the Louisiana purchase exposition.

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Speaker 1: That was a bargain. By the way, that was a

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Speaker 1: good deal, right, unbelievable deal. That was a steal. What

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Speaker 4: Fifteen a fifteen millik No, hold on, hold on the

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Speaker 4: Louisiana Louisiana Purchase.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was five mil back then.

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Speaker 4: celebration of it one hundred years later. Yes, that costs

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Speaker 4: fifteen oh I see okay, yeah, but this actually says

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Speaker 4: in return for fifteen million dollars, the US acquired a

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Speaker 4: So fifteen million.

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Speaker 2: Bus what did we get we got more than Louisiana,

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Speaker 2: didn't we I thought we got more than what is

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Speaker 2: now the state of Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: We did.

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Speaker 4: We got parts of Arkansas, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Minnesota, Louisiana,

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Speaker 4: and Mexico. According to Wikipedia, Minnesota was part of the

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Speaker 4: Louisiana purchase, a little bit of it or part of it. Okay,

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Speaker 4: what part do we know? But miidgie, No, it would

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Speaker 4: be well, actually further than you'd think. It goes all

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Speaker 4: the way up to central minnesot seriously, but the whole

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Speaker 4: it basically goes from Saint Louis you know, the Mississippi River, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Wyoming in Montana. I assume there's another river that's the

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Speaker 4: border there that I'm too stupid to know, the Colorado River.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I wouldn't know. I'm not, Yeah, just winghing it.

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Speaker 1: But that's a hell of a purchase.

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Speaker 2: For fifteen as that that was a bargain that was

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Speaker 2: changing everything. That's a steel we call that in the

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Speaker 2: in the in the vernacular today, that'd be uh, that

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Speaker 2: would be called a steep again.

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Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert for four first and a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of pick swaps. Wow, and Walker Kessler. Yeah, we still

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Speaker 2: could get Walker Kessler. Eventually, he's going to be available available.

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Speaker 2: We have too many centers now probably, Oh that's true.

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Speaker 2: We got the kid, the baby, Yeah, I had the baby.

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Speaker 2: That's it exactly. Are you big Canada Dry guy? Just

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd mix it up today and I brought

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Speaker 2: one of these little mini Canada Dry cans? Are you

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Speaker 2: a Canada Dry? Are you a ginger ale? Guysher?

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Speaker 1: I'm like most people. It's only on airplanes.

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Speaker 4: For me typically it's at all and I haven't had

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Speaker 4: a ginger ale and probably all that.

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Speaker 1: Tastes pretty good. I wish you. I prefer it with ice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clear ice, by the way, got to be clear ice,

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Speaker 2: not cloudy cubes and not shaved ice. I like clear

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Speaker 2: cubes with my Canada Dry because why you don't trust

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Speaker 2: the class I like the aesthetic. Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 2: why the problem on airplanes is if you ask for

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Speaker 2: mean a ginger ale and so you end up with

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Speaker 2: like schwepes ginger ale. I'm are you kidding me out

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Speaker 2: of your mind? I want a Canada dry ginger ale.

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Speaker 1: Not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we've talked about this before and then somebody

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Speaker 2: sent me like about twelve kinds of ginger ale.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Anyway, where were we? Well?

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Speaker 2: I mentioned Russo, I mentioned the inbox. Sean Salisbury is

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Speaker 2: scared to join us at the bottom of this hour.

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Speaker 2: So I think we've got a lot of stuff covered.

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Speaker 2: I hope a little more time to get into some

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Speaker 2: stuff I've been saving and you know, sort of embargoing

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Speaker 2: for the last several days, the dufus factor squared.

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Speaker 1: We have not talked about one of the bigger.

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Speaker 2: League wide National Football League talkers this week, and it

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Speaker 2: has to do with, well, it's it is I think

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Speaker 2: National Football League for quite some time, the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals are two and three a rather improbable loss

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Speaker 2: last week in which a running back name is it

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Speaker 2: Imari de Mercado, Yeah, decides to drop the ball, let's

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Speaker 2: zone before crossing the goal line and they have the

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Speaker 2: twenty eight to six. Yeah, that's a tough one. At

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Speaker 2: that point, they ultimately lose the game to the who

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Speaker 2: they play other Rams twenty two to twenty one. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: a massive play dufus factor. There's no there's no excusing

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Speaker 2: it in any way, shape or form. I think it

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Speaker 2: had also happened to it in Apple Indian Apple's receiver

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Speaker 2: Mitchell the week before, so it almost seems to be spreading.

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Speaker 2: And anytime this happens, because it has happened from time

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Speaker 2: to time, it ends up becoming kind of a huge story.

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Speaker 2: What set this one off, though, took it to another level,

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Speaker 2: was that the Arizona Cardinals head coach, his name is

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon, and on the sidelines video captured a confrontation

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Speaker 2: in which Gannon not surprisingly, was livid with what his

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Speaker 2: most sideline scenes of drama, is that he appeared to

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Speaker 2: I've seen the tape a few times and it's a

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Speaker 2: real quick shot, so I you know, my guess is

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Speaker 2: gan thought, well, this isn't going to be like this

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Speaker 2: is a good I'm not gonna be Woody Hayes on

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Speaker 2: the sidelines when I when he remember when he well,

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Speaker 2: you're too young to know, but you said, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: the story. Uh punched an opposing player. I want to

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Speaker 2: say it was a Clemson players the end of his career.

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Speaker 2: It was terrible scene, awful scene. We've talked about it

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Speaker 2: often over the years with Glenn Mason, and in this case,

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Speaker 2: film captured or video captured exactly that what took place there.

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Speaker 2: And ultimately Gannon ends up apologizing, said he apologized to

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Speaker 2: the team and then he was fine. How much was

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Speaker 2: he fine? Do you have the number in front of him?

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Speaker 2: It was one hundred grand? Was it one hundred thousand dollars? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I got you. What's interesting about this

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Speaker 2: one is in the in in the football world, a

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Speaker 2: debate has broken out about who you should really be

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Speaker 2: angrier with. I'm not gonna I refuse to sort of

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Speaker 2: play that game. I would just call it Dufus factor squared.

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Speaker 2: I think one stupid move begat another stupid move, and

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Speaker 2: there's no excusing Frankly, either one of them now has

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Speaker 2: the player? Has the running back apologized to the team?

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Speaker 2: Has he apologized for his dufus factor stupidity?

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Speaker 1: Do we know?

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Speaker 3: In all?

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Speaker 1: Seriously we know?

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Speaker 2: Gannon, he's in the position of authorities. He said, well

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Speaker 2: he has to. I would say the players should be

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Speaker 2: doing the exact same thing to his team. And the

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Speaker 2: debate is, look, in a real world office setting, of

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Speaker 2: course you can't have any kind of physical confrontation like

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Speaker 2: what took place there. But stop pretending that a college

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Speaker 2: football or college or pro football sideline is like a

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Speaker 2: real office. We have physical confrontations that often take place,

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Speaker 2: including who's the chiefs head coach?

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid? Andy Reid? Andy Reid?

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Speaker 2: Has he not used his belly or is it his

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Speaker 2: shoulder to bump his tight end? They've gotten into it

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Speaker 2: on the sideline, Yeah, he's the tight end has grabbed

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Speaker 2: the head coach? Did Andy Reid get fined for that?

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Speaker 2: For those bumps? Is the distinction? It looked like there

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Speaker 2: was a slugging or a half a slug or whatever

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Speaker 5: skill set. It's just a temporary detour. Hell name the

437
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Speaker 5: show unpaved on my other show. It's it's kind of

438
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 5: the road I'm used to, so I understand the resilience,

439
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 5: and I am eternally grateful and looking at the support Dan,

440
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 5: it almost brought me to tears when I when I

441
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 5: look and see people's comments, which I usually don't pander

442
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: and never will and I don't need approval, but it's

443
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 5: nice to have it, and then nice to know you're

444
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 5: going to be missed. And I root the next show

445
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 5: on the kick Ass and the teammates. But it was

446
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 5: a great run and I'm actually excited for the next

447
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 5: challenge and i got some businesses, some stuff now can

448
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 5: I contend to, and I'm in no rush for the

449
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Speaker 5: next Morning Drive show or whenever it presents itself, if

450
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 5: it does. I mean, I'm richly blessed my brother, and

451
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 5: I'm always grateful to come on to you. I'll never

452
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 5: take this for granted. I never take this career for granted.

453
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 5: And to be able to do it thirty years and

454
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Speaker 5: you know the longevity and the great support you have,

455
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Speaker 5: I'm grateful. And my thoughts are out to the iHeart family,

456
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 5: to those who are wondering how they're going to pay

457
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Speaker 5: their bills through the fall, So God bless them.

458
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Speaker 2: Very well, said I have no doubt. Yeah, I have

459
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Speaker 2: no doubt you'll be fine. I'm sure there's already stuff percolating.

460
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: We've talked about this before, but I a lot of

461
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: times over the years when we talked during shows, I

462
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: still get the sense that you are you haven't lost

463
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: hunger for being back inside the game in a coaching sense.

464
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: Where are you on that Might this opened that door

465
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Speaker 2: a little bit more or make you be a little

466
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Speaker 2: bit more aggressive in that regard, or is that ship

467
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 2: sailed where you feel like, Okay, No, I'm very I'm

468
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Speaker 2: in a very different kind of role and I'm very

469
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: happy with covering this stuff, but not necessarily from the inside.

470
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, I think that's a phenomenal point by you.

471
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 5: I think about it often. I have never really chased it.

472
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 5: You know, when Denny when he came BESPN to work

473
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 5: when I left esp I'll never forget. And I share

474
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Speaker 5: this story because you know, I think people in Minnesota

475
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 5: can relate to this known what Denny did and what

476
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 5: he meant to the city and the good runs we had,

477
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Speaker 5: right and.

478
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Speaker 3: I'll never forget. We were at the I think.

479
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 5: My last year there, and we're walking out the field

480
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 5: and Denny looked at me and he said, said when

481
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 5: you're done playing, you're going to come coach with me.

482
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: And I was in a Viking uniform and then I

483
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: ended up going.

484
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 5: To San Diego for my last year, and then we

485
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 5: had stayed in touch, and I think it was just

486
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 5: part of because I was immersed into the study part

487
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 5: of it, and you know, when you're a guy that's

488
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 5: seeing great players in front of you and trying to help.

489
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 5: I think Denny was appreciative of, like I've told you before,

490
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 5: his drive the bus of just understand what we're trying

491
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 5: to get accomplished, even if you didn't execute it as

492
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 5: good as Moon or Culpeper or anybody else. And so

493
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: I did stay on top of that. And then when

494
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 5: Denny came to ESPN before he got the Arizona job,

495
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 5: and we talk and talk and talk, and he offered

496
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Speaker 5: me the quarterback coach job, and I flew to Arizona

497
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 5: and it was the eleventh hour and my name, my

498
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 5: name plate was on the door that they're in Arizona,

499
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Speaker 5: and we started talking was the Matt Lioner Draft.

500
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Speaker 3: We actually started talking draft and.

501
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Speaker 5: He said, I understand because I had young kids at

502
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 5: that time, and you know, I was thinking I was

503
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 5: on a rise, and I don't mean on a rise

504
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: through ESPN, you know, doing the stuff, because you and

505
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 5: I used to talk then when I started, if you

506
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 5: remember it, so and so I molded over. And I

507
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 5: do have regrets because I always felt maybe i'd go

508
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 5: back and do TV and radio. I should have taken

509
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 5: the gig and and and I didn't because I was immersed.

510
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 5: But you know, life's again about moments and things you

511
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 5: do and don't do. And I turned him down and

512
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: he said, let's walk down that tunnel one more time.

513
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Speaker 3: And I turned him down.

514
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Speaker 5: He was very gracious about it, and he said, we

515
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 5: will our pass across again and we went through it,

516
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 5: and I, you know, I went through that and I

517
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 5: missed out on that, but just to regret because I

518
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 5: still love the career of like the competition, and to

519
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 5: your point, I do miss it and I think about

520
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 5: it with the training.

521
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Speaker 3: So the ship hasn't sailed.

522
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Speaker 5: And then LSU had asked me d orgeron I was

523
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Speaker 5: training a kid, and Ed saw the way I'd trained him,

524
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Speaker 5: and he was there number one recruit a handfull of

525
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 5: years ago when he was at LSU, And it.

526
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Speaker 3: Was the spring before Burrow got there.

527
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Speaker 5: And I remember ed I was there, and because I

528
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Speaker 5: was training the kid, they offered me a job to

529
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Speaker 5: come and be an analyst at the time being. And

530
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Speaker 5: this was Burrow transferring from Ohio State, so they were

531
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Speaker 5: kind in flux right now, right And so I said,

532
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 5: I originally went up there to talk about the guy

533
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 5: who was training the recruit, to talk how he'd fit in.

534
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Speaker 5: And I drove to Baton Rouge, who was just going

535
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Speaker 5: up there to visit with him in the offensive coordinator

536
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 5: guys I'd known. And then halfway through the meeting, he says,

537
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 5: you want to I'd like you to work here, like what.

538
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 5: And they had a staff and it was just to

539
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 5: like help the quarterbacks and be an analysts like you

540
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 5: see guys in between gigs. And I called up my

541
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 5: girl and I said, you know, this meeting's gonna take

542
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Speaker 5: a little longer.

543
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Speaker 3: And so I, you know, went home.

544
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 5: And then at that point in time, with all these

545
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 5: crazy nil rules and college football sports rules, if you

546
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 5: train somebody within a.

547
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Speaker 3: Two year period or so it's a recruit.

548
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Speaker 5: It's almost like a nepotism thing, right Dan, where they

549
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 5: can't do any favors if you're training the guy we're recruiting,

550
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 5: We're not going to have you here. So I would

551
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 5: have had to give training the kid up. And I

552
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 5: was committed. I devoted a lot of time to this player,

553
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 5: and he had devoted a lot of time to me.

554
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: And then they went through the you know the steps

555
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: you have to go to.

556
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 5: The NCAA will approve it, and they would, they could,

557
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 5: They couldn't get it a.

558
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: Protocol, so it didn't happen.

559
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 5: Well, Kantz, guess who comes in as their coordinator that

560
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: at the end of that end Joe Burrow.

561
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: I mean Joe Brady.

562
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Speaker 5: Joe Brady comes in from say the next year, Burrow

563
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 5: in his second year there, they have the greatest offense

564
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Speaker 5: in the history.

565
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Speaker 3: So I'd say they got the right guy, Joe Brady.

566
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: Right.

567
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: So, but that's another thing I said.

568
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Speaker 5: I would have taken that and it wouldn't matter about

569
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 5: the money because I was close, and I've talked to

570
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 5: coaches along the way if it was the right job,

571
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: if Denny was still alive and off, and again I'd listen.

572
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: I've had a few coaches I'll leave him out who

573
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 5: have said if I get this job or that I'd

574
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 5: love you to come and that's great, but who knows.

575
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 5: So I started a passion for it. I love to teach,

576
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 5: I love the coach, and I love the competition. But

577
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: if I have to talk about it, fine, So I

578
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 5: don't know if I'm gonna if I'm going to go

579
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 5: after it hard.

580
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: If a coaching convention comes up.

581
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Speaker 5: And I want to show up, maybe, But for me

582
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 5: at this stage, jan it would have to be the

583
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 5: right gig of a coach that I know is all

584
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 5: in and we had the same philosophy. You know, coaches

585
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 5: you can think about Dan Campbell calls, I'm listening, Kevin

586
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 5: O'Donnell calls, or there's a handful that you say, hell yeah,

587
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 5: I'd still play for the guy if I had any

588
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 5: eligibility left. So while I love it, I'm not so

589
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 5: removed from it that because I stay immersed in it

590
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: and I study changes in the game. But whether it

591
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 5: comes or not, the only thing that I miss, you know,

592
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: the paycheck and all that I can like we can.

593
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: Earn money anyway.

594
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 5: I missed the the chess match of preparing weekly and

595
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 5: the competition, and god rest any soul, I should have

596
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 5: walked down the tunnel with him one more time. But

597
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: I missed out on that, and it's a regret I'll

598
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 5: carry with me for a while, even though I was

599
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: in a great.

600
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: Career at the time.

601
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Speaker 1: A lot of decisions, man, you make them time.

602
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: Maybe it looks clearer now, but it probably wasn't so

603
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: as clear that.

604
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Speaker 5: I've matured dan from a player, and you know, and

605
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 5: some of the things where you know you're brash and

606
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 5: you think you're just that and you get you know,

607
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 5: you get kicked in the teeth, you have success, and

608
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 5: it's it's listen, we all do it's And the truth,

609
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 5: I guess, cliche or quiz is how you deal with

610
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 5: it and how you come out of the other side.

611
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: And I think I've learned over the years to be

612
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 5: more to just gratitude for small wins, you know what

613
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 5: I mean. Absolutely, If the big one come along with it,

614
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 5: then I'm okay with it. But no matter what, man,

615
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: I'm never leaving this show until you tell me I'm

616
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: not welcome on anymore.

617
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Thatn happen.

618
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, maybe you should look into eligibility.

619
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Speaker 1: You might give it.

620
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: How many I mean, we got quarterbacks, so I feel

621
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: like we've been in college ten years. Maybe they you

622
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: could petition and get an extra year or two.

623
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: Who the hell knows, well even that college NFL. Now,

624
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna do it, Joe Is.

625
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 5: I got about five throws in the Dan about five

626
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 5: throws or maybe more, as long as in that particular game.

627
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 5: They say, you are if you even go by and

628
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 5: think about hitting the quarterback or get within four feet,

629
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 5: you're done. So yeah, that ship said, but you're right.

630
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 5: We got guys asking for a seventh US had eight years.

631
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 5: It's to the point where they're gonna have grandkids and

632
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 5: the grandkids's gonna say, Grandpa, are you done playing? So

633
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 5: I guess you milk it as long as you can.

634
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: But I'm better Dan real quick. I remember when I

635
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: first started doing television, what I it was done with football,

636
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: and about three years or two years after it, even

637
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 5: two years, standing on the sideline of a game, you

638
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 5: don't getting ready to do Sunday countdown, and then the

639
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: game goes on.

640
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: After and I literally are going to a college game. Yep.

641
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: I'd sit there and I thought, oh.

642
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 5: My gosh, you studied how explosive and good the utalities?

643
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 5: I said, I know it's only two years removed, but

644
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 5: that's sure that who in the world's.

645
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: Dumb enough to do this for a living? And you know,

646
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: your buddy to.

647
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 5: Hitch you upside there say you, you idiot, You were

648
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 5: doing it just two years ago, And I said, yeah,

649
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 5: they'd look a lot different now, even though they didn't,

650
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: it sure felt like it.

651
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: So a lot of respect for that and that was

652
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: then for sure.

653
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.

654
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: Well, let's update.

655
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: Let's let's update the Vikings quarterback situation, because as you know,

656
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: they did find a way with that last drive. I'm

657
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: convinced that as bad as the Browns offense finished that game,

658
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: the Vikings probably could have had four more tries even

659
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: after their last one to score. It was like the

660
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: Browns were not I think gonna let the Vikings out

661
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: of that game, and they have a great drive at

662
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: the close, Wentz goes nine for nine. I thought, a

663
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: really good mix of play calls and and they end

664
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: up stealing you know, the victory. We now know they're

665
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: in the by So the question is the same as

666
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: a week ago, although we have a little bit more

667
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: information now, and you know, there's a lot of ways

668
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: to look at it. In terms of the Eagles game,

669
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: which is the one after the buye for the Vikings

670
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: and and one way is you keep going with Wentz

671
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: because he played well enough and your line you had

672
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: backups at every offensive line position virtually. The other way

673
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: is you invested in McCarthy. This is the guy you

674
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: said you you said he could be the guy now

675
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: and you might as well start the clock if he's healthy.

676
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: You feel any differently than you did a week ago

677
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: based on another game in which I thought Wentz wasn't great,

678
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: but he was clutch when he had to be right.

679
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: And you look at the numbers on the accuracy not

680
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 5: throwing the ball the other team, they were pretty much.

681
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: It's a great point.

682
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: Yes, we always look at what did he throw? For

683
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: four hundred? He won? Most important, he was as good.

684
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 5: I mean, he was phenomenal under duress and pressure when

685
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: the game was on the line, and he didn't thought

686
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 5: the other team, didn't put them in a mind and

687
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: made the throw he made to Addison to win the game. Good,

688
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 5: great catch, but that you couldn't have walked out there

689
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 5: and handed any better. I feel stronger about wins right

690
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 5: about him staying in now. I shouldn't have to qualify this,

691
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 5: but I will. You know, my feelings for McCarthy, But

692
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 5: why would you make the switch now? You're not going

693
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 5: to lose McCarthy. The kid knows about competition. You're also

694
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 5: not going to lose him. He's in his infancy, he's

695
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 5: still hurt. You are in a position where you say

696
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 5: he's not going anywhere. I'm not worried about him losing

697
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 5: his confidence or that, oh you gave it now, we

698
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 5: got a big competition. Why wouldn't I go with the

699
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 5: guy who keeps winning. Hell, the forty nine ers may

700
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 5: face that pretty quick here, take with mac Jones, even

701
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: though Purdy's big money. Then I just never understood why

702
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: we were so worried about the fragility. And I'm not

703
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 5: sure Kevin's worried about the fragility of j. J.

704
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: McCarthy, But we want this quick fix. Why the rush now?

705
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 5: They had to rush JJ in because they well, Daniel

706
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 5: Jones is starting and Donald starting and both playing at

707
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: a high level, and you didn't know what you were

708
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: going to get.

709
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 3: And Wins has been a journeyman. He say we committed

710
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: this guy, We're gonna do it.

711
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 5: Just because you start Wins right now doesn't mean two

712
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: years from now or even week seventeen.

713
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 3: He's going to be the starter.

714
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 5: McCarthy is your future, and for a while, for a minute,

715
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: he was your present. But as it sits now, you've

716
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: got a guy who's playing at a pretty high level.

717
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 5: Considering you heard we talked about it last week, Dan

718
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 5: about that feeling of passion for the game again, which

719
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: I think is showing in his performance with wins, and

720
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 5: he's making clutch he's not putting his team in a

721
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 5: buying So I'll ask one simple question to Vikings fans,

722
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 5: And like I said, it's not an.

723
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 3: Indictment at all on macarthy.

724
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 5: This is a compliment to the way that Kevin gets

725
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: guys ready to play, but also that a veteran came

726
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: in here, has taken accountability, put his mind to it,

727
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 5: and they're winning. If you're what's the why wouldn't you, Well,

728
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 5: I'm looking for reasons of why you wouldn't play with

729
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: If this continues, he goes and plays coming out of

730
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 5: the bye week, takes care of his business.

731
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 3: You're winning.

732
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: You're not gonna lose McCarthy, You're just not. He's gonna

733
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 5: be fine. And if all of a sudden, WinCE goes

734
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 5: to a street where he's not playing well. The rookie

735
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 5: gives him a chance to get fully healthy and watch

736
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 5: a little bit again and see what's going on. I've

737
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: just never understood, Oh my gosh, what happens if he's upset?

738
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: And what if he is?

739
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: Kevin knows how to handle that. It's called football, it's competition.

740
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: I take it out a hot hand, just to appease

741
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 5: where we drafted him or so the optics look good.

742
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: I think Kevin's smarter than that, and right now with

743
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 5: the way he's playing, I mean and in truth, JJ,

744
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 5: who was great in the fourth quarter of the one game,

745
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 5: has really played a small and a small amount of.

746
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 3: Really solid football so far.

747
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, that doesn't mean he's not going to But I

748
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 5: would say that if you just said, if this was

749
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 5: a competition, we had no idea where they were drafted.

750
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: Or the past.

751
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: Who's played better, Well, one's played longer this year. But

752
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: to me, what's the urgency to say, well, we got

753
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: to set him back down. I know who Carson Wentz is,

754
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 5: but he's right now we're starting to see a guy

755
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 5: who I think.

756
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 3: Needs time in wins. I think he needs these.

757
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 5: I don't think he's one of those guys that sits

758
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 5: over there for a year and a half and it

759
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 5: comes off the bench. I think wins is one of

760
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 5: those guys, maybe even a little more fragile personality wise

761
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 5: in the past. Yes, about the confidence and the paddle

762
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 5: of the back. JJ's had so much success, I don't

763
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: think you can shake him. Carson's had his great stuff

764
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 5: and his down stuff, and it feels like he's starting

765
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 5: to get that.

766
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: You know what. I feel pretty good about my game again.

767
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 5: And I think that's important to a football team. I

768
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 5: right now, unless I see him fall off during the

769
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 5: bye week, which he's not and going into it, and

770
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: he'll have a bone to pick with that game you're

771
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 5: talking about, So we'll see who he is.

772
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 3: Does he wilt under that one in a couple of weeks.

773
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: It's Philadelphia, as you said, right, Dan, correct, Yes, a

774
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 5: team that he started with where he started out as

775
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 5: a phenomenal player. So and some guy like Barkley gets

776
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 5: to play to night against his former team.

777
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: The Giants.

778
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 5: How there's you find out where that motivation of what

779
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: brings it to you. I just don't know what the

780
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: hurry is to throw JJ back in, especially if you

781
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: think you're a playoff team, which the Vikings do in

782
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 5: a super Bowl caliber team. What's the rush where it's

783
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 5: such a rush? Let it sit there and simmer. And

784
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: if all of a sudden Winz goes into the tank,

785
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: you got a guy. If he doesn't and plays well,

786
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: the guy's still going to be there and he'll continue

787
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: to learn. There is no rush at all. Gimme Wentz

788
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 5: right now, because he's playing well enough for you to win.

789
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 5: And what he did at nine and nine, how do

790
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 5: you take that out of the lineup right now? A

791
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 5: game when in truth, Dylan Gabriel played pretty well. Their

792
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 5: defense is outstanding in Cleveland, and it was kind of

793
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: up and down throughout. And I didn't really understand Kevin

794
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 5: Stefanski's approach late with Dylan Gabriel was baffling to me,

795
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 5: and I had a lot of respect for Kevin. But

796
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell did a nice job of mastering what Winz

797
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 5: does well.

798
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: And you can see you.

799
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 5: Can't make that throw without playing with confidence, Dan, and

800
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 5: the throw to Addison and the protecting of the football

801
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 5: means something to me. Wentz is your starter, not forever

802
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 5: as we sit, and if McCarthy was healthy this week,

803
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 5: or next week, I'm starting Carson Wentz.

804
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: Well, these things, as we said before, have a tendency

805
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: to take care of themselves one way and another. Wentz

806
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: comes back to the pack, he gets hurt, and he

807
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: actually did hurt his left shoulder, but I don't think

808
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: it's going to be a thing that's going to hold

809
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: him back.

810
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 5: And when he came back and played well, Dan shows

811
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: he's a little bit tougher in that passion.

812
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: So it was a two weeks in a row. Two

813
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: weeks in a row.

814
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: He's gotten battered and he's come back nicely both times.

815
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: Here's the kicker for me, and this bothers the McCarthy people,

816
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: who again kind of misread what I've been saying and

817
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: what you're saying. It's not a matter of rejecting him.

818
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: It might mean putting him off a little longer. And

819
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: I know in this town everybody's been waiting forever. We've

820
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: we've done the rental quarterbacks, we've done the aging vent.

821
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: We now we finally thought we had a guy, and

822
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 2: we have to wait longer. But here's the kicker. Let's

823
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: say Wentz starts against the Eagles and plays well in that,

824
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: that would be the first good opponent that you'd played

825
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: and beaten, and there then it gets escalated even more

826
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: to me, to a certain extent that it gets it's

827
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: even harder to take him out if the Vikings beat

828
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: the Eagles, and whence is one of the reasons, why

829
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: then I think it becomes even more tantalizing.

830
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what's that in your one hundred percent correct?

831
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 5: But what's the what's the negative about? I mean, Okay,

832
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 5: so he plays well against Philadelphia? Well, if you're a fan,

833
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: is Kevin's job in the organization's job to appease one

834
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 5: guy who's a really good teammate and a hell of

835
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 5: a player in JJ McCarty going to be a really

836
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 5: good and he's just getting started in the infancy of

837
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 5: his career.

838
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: He's young, and he's going to be fantastic, I believe.

839
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 5: But where's your obligation Is it to make sure his

840
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: feelings aren't hurt, that he comes back he's ready. You

841
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: can lose your job, at least initially to being injured.

842
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 5: We see it all the time. Doesn't mean you're not

843
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: getting it back. So is your obligation to winning games

844
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 5: and giving yourself the best chance no matter who you're

845
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 5: playing or is it to make sure well we drafted

846
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 5: the guy, he committed to him. We got to do

847
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 5: it now and make sure the fan base. I think

848
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 5: the fan base in Minnesota known their passion would like

849
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 5: to win. And it is not an indictment on JJ McCarthy.

850
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 5: And I mean this affectionally because we all, I think

851
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 5: have seen this. Remember back in the day, Dan, and

852
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 5: I can say, remember when you were in like the

853
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: freshman in high school and you were like, had this

854
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 5: crush on a girl, but she didn't in the summer,

855
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 5: went and got that head gear racist and you know

856
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, You know the look the old school

857
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 5: looked that nobody wears. And I mean this affectionately and kindly.

858
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 5: And you looked at her and you said, you know what, man,

859
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 5: but I'll see you when you're a junior, right for

860
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 5: Snadie Hawkins or the probe. And then she comes back

861
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 5: the summer after a junior year, whichs got the head

862
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 5: gear off because you and all of a Suddens and

863
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 5: she's nice as could be. Be like, man, I'm sixteen

864
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 5: years old. I got to and she comes back in

865
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 5: the summer, You're like, who the world?

866
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, goodness.

867
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 5: Gracious, macarthy's got the headgear on right now, right, he's

868
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 5: we know that the potential's there. You see the forest

869
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 5: through the trees were through the headgear and say, man,

870
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 5: I wonder what that's going to be like in a

871
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: year from now.

872
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: But you have the seniors there and established and everybody.

873
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 5: He's the homecoming queen all that, But you got the

874
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 5: one that's like, man, this one may be special. So

875
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 5: I know that's an odd comparison, but I was just

876
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 5: thinking about that earlier, thinking, you know, we all remember

877
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Speaker 5: that we're growing up, or even when you were that

878
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 5: the girl who liked the guy who's a little overweight

879
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 5: or so he had that maybe fat on and he

880
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 5: comes back after working out the summer and she's like,

881
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 5: I'm marrying him ten years from now, right, So I

882
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 5: just want fans to do you're in a to win.

883
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: And it is not by any stretch of the imagination

884
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 5: telling McCarthy can't play. Matter of fact, it's quite the opposite.

885
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 5: Hang on, big fellow, we're gonna be over. We're gonna

886
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 5: be fine with it right now. This is best for

887
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 5: our team. That game in Philadelphia will tell you a

888
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 5: lot Dan about where WinCE's mindset is as well.

889
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: One other quarterback question not related to the Vikings. I

890
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: don't know that we've talked much the last year or two.

891
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: Maybe we have, but been a while since we've chatted

892
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: about a Baker Mayfield. And I'm constantly fascinated by him,

893
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: because I admit when he was in Cleveland, I didn't

894
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: get it with him.

895
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Obviously, could see.

896
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: He could make some he had voltage, he could make plays,

897
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Speaker 2: but then I see some just hair brained decision making

898
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Speaker 2: and picks and interceptions. So how has he become what

899
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: he seems to be at this point? And is that

900
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: an indication than in Cleveland they failed him or he

901
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: was a different quarterback, because the guy looks like he's

902
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: as good as anybody right now.

903
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: Explain his transition.

904
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Speaker 5: So with you, and I'm dying on the hill of

905
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield right now, and I have been for a while.

906
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 5: And I went to the same thing with him Dan

907
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 5: first year like offensive rookie the year you know it

908
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 5: was pretty solid, Yeah, second year and third year got

909
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: him in the playoffs, remember the loss to Kansas City, right,

910
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 5: And then the fourth year kind of went down again,

911
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 5: blud start and banged up all that, he was erratic

912
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 5: and he's got that personality, you know, he you know,

913
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 5: remember when you used to watch Tom Arnold go on

914
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: talk shows, you know with the actor, he'd be moving

915
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 5: around one hundred miles an hour. And if that's Baker right,

916
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 5: just yeah, matter of fact, making you feel uncomfortable because

917
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 5: he's so frantic, all these elbows and kneecaps moving around.

918
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: But he's a high IQ guy.

919
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: And I and I know this is gonna sound odd,

920
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 5: but the Baker Mayfield I watched at Texas Tech then

921
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: transfer to Oklahoma play in the league, you know with

922
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 5: playing like the the not the fraternity league, but the

923
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: you know the when everybody goes in that that doesn't

924
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 5: play football, they intermural there, you go inter real league.

925
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: And you know he loves football when.

926
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 5: He has the walk on mentality, which he's been his

927
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 5: whole life until he was the first pick of the draft,

928
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 5: a walk on. He's always approached it as tough, hard.

929
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: Nose getting after it.

930
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: And I know people say, well that is remember what

931
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: all the commercials all that it almost became. Because I

932
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 5: go on every single week in Cleveland like I do

933
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 5: with you, and you saw development that didn't take a

934
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: step back and the commercials, and there was almost like

935
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 5: a sense of the loss of it felt like a loss.

936
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: Of focus on what they were doing.

937
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 5: And Cleveland, just looking at their history, has failed plenty

938
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 5: of players, and those fan base deserves better. They have well,

939
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Speaker 5: they'd love to have him back now and guaranteed million

940
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: dollars from Watson. But I'll tell you what I love

941
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 5: about him, like quarterback, just what we're talking about about macarthy,

942
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 5: just in a different way.

943
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 3: He's been kicked in the teeth. He was damn near

944
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: Dan labeled a journeyman.

945
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Speaker 5: Matter of fact, Carolina, you know the rams he didn't

946
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 5: wasn't having much success, some good, some bad, just like

947
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 5: he was in Cleveland. But something clicked where he got

948
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 5: back to saying, you know, I'm staying at all the thing.

949
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 5: There's a different focus. He is a great leader, has

950
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 5: always been a great leader, but especially and brash and tough,

951
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 5: and we always hear linebacker mentality. He's got that. And

952
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: he is so good late in games when even if

953
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: things haven't gone well. That's the sign of a really

954
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 5: good quarterback. It's easy when you're playing well and you

955
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 5: get the ball last saying well, I'm in a rhythm.

956
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 5: It's when things may not be going well, how do

957
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 5: you pick your team up and make guys ready and they.

958
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: Just know you're going to succeed.

959
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 5: Well, I've watched his development in Tampa and we thought

960
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: it was gonna be a long time before somebody come

961
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: in and do it, at least keep him afloat like

962
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: Brady did. And he's not there. But the last year

963
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 5: and a half, he and Jared Goff and Lamar Jackson

964
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 5: to put the best football on the planet and he

965
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 5: belongs in that team picture and he's winning, and there's

966
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 5: something to be said about this the way he's going.

967
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 5: He's putting up numbers, he's got comeback wins, and I

968
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: think it's he's redeveloped what made him great and the

969
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 5: first pick of the draft, this walk on mentality of

970
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be looked at as a star. I've

971
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 5: got to I'm gonna be looked at as one of

972
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 5: these dudes in this locker room, and I'm going to

973
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 5: go to I'm going to do it, pop in the

974
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 5: alley and fight anybody for him.

975
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 3: And I think they're at the point they're doing the same.

976
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 5: Thing we greatly misjudged the downfall of Baker Mayfield and

977
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: his inner toughness, because it would have been easy Dan

978
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: to play on four other teams and still say talk

979
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: it instead of walking.

980
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: And I couldn't be more impressed. And I love watching

981
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: him play.

982
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I create wait for the forty nine ers

983
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers play this week because it's

984
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 5: going to be a hell of a game. He is

985
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 5: not only the most improved player in this league the

986
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 5: last couple of years, but today as we sit, he's

987
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 5: the most valuable player SAMs Josh Allen, and he's in

988
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 5: the conversation without in the league right now.

989
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 3: That's how good he's.

990
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: Been standing analysis is always appreciate the time, keep us

991
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Speaker 2: posted on the next big announcement, because I'm assuming there's

992
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Speaker 2: another big I'm assuming you're I'm assuming you're in negotiating

993
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: right now.

994
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: You got like four or five deals. You just got

995
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: to figure out which one to take.

996
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: And one of them is not to play quarterback in

997
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: the league. Did I promise you. I appreciate you great love,

998
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: and I can't thank you and guards enough.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Take care.

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Speaker 2: on Brian cafean text line has blown up like it

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Speaker 2: rarely has, and it all is related.

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Speaker 1: It's just it.

1004
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: Well come back and I'll tell you that it confirms

1005
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Speaker 2: one inescapable notion, immutable that we hear about and learn

1006
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Speaker 2: over and over again, and so I guess, to a

1007
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Speaker 2: certain extent we shouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 1: But it's a great reminder. We'll get to that when

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Speaker 1: we were