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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go Scott's Long Show, seven hundred

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Speaker 2: world up in the snowy Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: Not the most ideal start to the week, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Could be worse.

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Speaker 2: It could be in New York City. They're gonna hammered

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Speaker 2: right now. All right, your price is your wallet. The

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court just ruled on Friday on Trump's tariffs. What

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Speaker 2: the hell does this all mean for what we pay

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Speaker 2: at the store? That's the question. Tariffs. It's all confusing.

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Speaker 2: Even the experts are confused by it. I'm confused by

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Speaker 2: you are as well. Money's coming into the treasury through

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Speaker 2: this thing where we're going to get two thousand dollars checks.

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Speaker 2: So then why do we do this in the first

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Speaker 2: place if it's just going to be a rebate? And

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Speaker 2: not only that, what does the future hold here when

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Speaker 2: it comes to these tariffs. Michelle Schultz is with Schultz

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Speaker 2: Trade Law in Dallas, an expert on such things, joining

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Speaker 2: the show this morning. Michelle, how are you.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: How are you five?

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Speaker 3: That's fine, everything's good except for tariffs.

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Speaker 2: So Friday Supreme Court rule six y three that the

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Speaker 2: tariffs are legal, and the court said, look, This is

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Speaker 2: not your job.

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Speaker 3: This is a job of Congress.

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Speaker 2: And we've collected some one hundred and seventy five billion

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Speaker 2: in tariff revenue right now, it's all up in the air,

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Speaker 2: and companies are all lined up going, hey, guess what

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Speaker 2: give us our money back?

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Speaker 2: What the hell does this all mean? It would be

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Speaker 2: the question. And then Trump hassigned a new executive order

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Speaker 2: and we're going to go with fifteen percent tariffs now

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Speaker 2: as a workaround of this whole thing. And everyone's head

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Speaker 2: is spinning, going, Okay, I just want cheaper beef. I

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Speaker 2: want to buy a Hamburger and not have to get

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Speaker 2: a second mortgage. Let's jump into this whole thing, Michelle,

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Speaker 2: and I guess the question is why do to take

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Speaker 2: now until now for this to hit the Supreme Court?

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Speaker 2: This is a lot to spend on the books. What

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Speaker 2: since nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 5: Seven, Yes, I mean, well nineteen seventy four, technically the

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Speaker 5: Trade Act of nineteen seventy four, And I guess, well,

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Speaker 5: that's the new one that we're using. The nineteen seventy

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Speaker 5: that was struck down. So yeah, we've been using the AEPA,

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Speaker 5: which is known as the International Emergency Economic Powers Act

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Speaker 5: for many years, since nineteen seventy seven, that one, and

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Speaker 5: we use it for things that are national emergencies, like

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Speaker 5: export controls. We don't want things, we don't want our

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Speaker 5: goods and our technology getting in the hands of the

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Speaker 5: wrong people so that they're used against us. But this

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Speaker 5: one is being used for terrorists. So it's it's been

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court has really struggled with what to do

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Speaker 5: with this.

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Speaker 2: One, obviously too, as split as they were. Trump not

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Speaker 2: happy about it. But now he's got a workaround that.

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Speaker 2: I guess another section of this law that says, well,

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Speaker 2: now we can kick a fifteen percent trade allotment in

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Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty days till Congress extends them.

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Speaker 2: And it seems like, if I'm reading this incorrectly, he can.

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Speaker 2: He's just transferred one terror for another and saying, all right,

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Speaker 2: this one expires as an emergency in one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty days, and I'll just come up with another reason

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Speaker 2: why to extend another one hundred and fifty days. Is

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Speaker 2: that what's going to happen?

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Speaker 1: That's what I expect.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think you're right on with that this new

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Speaker 5: tariff is going to be maxed.

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Speaker 1: Out at fifteen percent.

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Speaker 5: So there's some good news, but it's this one is

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Speaker 5: the one that's nineteen seventy seven under Section one twenty

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Speaker 5: This particular provision allows him a lot of authority to

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Speaker 5: increase tariffs for one hundred and fifty days up to

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Speaker 1: We now at fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's it's confusing and it's up and down,

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Speaker 5: but they have figured it.

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Speaker 2: Out, well, I guess. But you know, the markets hate uncertainty,

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Speaker 2: and we're uncertain af right now. That is the problem

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Speaker 2: permanent guidance here. But I don't expect that to happen

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Speaker 2: you represent as a trade attorney, Michelle, interests that want

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Speaker 2: to claw that money back on Well, if the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court rules against you you owe us the money we've

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Speaker 2: been paying in tears how to And as a matter

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Speaker 2: of fact, I think three justices, the three conservative justices,

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Speaker 2: ruled against our ruled and wanted to keep this and said, listen,

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Speaker 2: we get the argument, but this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a master of the treasury.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be the biggest.

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Speaker 2: Question looming here is what do we do that one

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Speaker 5: That's really important, and I think that the justices were

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Speaker 5: right said this is going to be a mess. But

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Speaker 5: in my mind, that doesn't change what the law is.

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Speaker 5: And the Constitution provides that Congress has to delegate this

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Speaker 5: authority to the president. He can't use it on his own.

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Speaker 5: So technically refunds are due. Customs is ready somewhat because

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Speaker 5: they use an electronic system for refunds, and we've been

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Speaker 5: advising our clients, the importers in the United States, to

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Speaker 5: get their electronic refund process ready if they're planning to

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Speaker 5: claim refunds. It's not going to be so easy as

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Speaker 5: a check in the mail. You will have to actually

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Speaker 5: calculate what you're owed and why and request a refund

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Speaker 2: She is Michelle Schultz Schultz Trade Law. She's a trade

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Speaker 2: attorney with the court striking down Trump's tariffs. And what

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Speaker 2: this means because he's going to pivot and use a

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Speaker 2: different section of that law that gives the one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty days unless Congress extends them. And so we're

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Speaker 2: just swapping one tear for another. But what does that

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Speaker 2: mean to the bottom line? And you know, these companies

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Speaker 2: that are filing protective lawsuits to preserve their refund claims,

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Speaker 2: how are you actually advising companies to protect themselves? Now,

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Speaker 2: this is something you would have to start a while ago.

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Speaker 2: And why it's important to get these suits filed because

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Speaker 2: first in line gets the money right pretty much.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the way it should work. And these

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Speaker 5: lawsuits that were filed basically they they they stayed liquidation,

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Speaker 5: But now we've got a completely different set of rules

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Speaker 5: in place, and we've got fifteen percent not to mention

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Speaker 5: section three oh one for unfair trade practices in section

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Speaker 5: two thirty two for national security, we're already in use.

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Speaker 5: And those don't go away. So we have some continued,

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Speaker 3: I tell you, it sound like you gout. You know,

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Speaker 3: this is your job.

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Speaker 2: You're the smartest person in the room, Michelle, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: still not one hundred percent true of what all this means.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we have meetings about it at least

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Speaker 5: weekly with various trade groups. Everyone's confused, and everyone's advising

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Speaker 5: the clients to get ready for electronic refunds. You're not

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Speaker 5: going to just get a check. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 5: we don't know what to expect, except that the administration

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Speaker 5: seems to be relying on these other provisions. And I

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Speaker 5: think within the next one hundred and fifty days, while

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Speaker 5: they have this authority to impose fifteen percent, they will

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Speaker 5: investigate other options like Section two thirty two and three

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Speaker 5: oh one, and they so they have it, they have

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Speaker 2: Basically, it sounds to me like if you're counting on

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Speaker 2: that two thousand dollars refund from this whole thing that

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Speaker 2: Trump promised your way at the back of the line that.

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Speaker 3: Did that just get kicked down, going yeah, you're not

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Speaker 3: going to get too grand.

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Speaker 5: That's what I would think. Yeah, I'm not counting on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm just just making sure to be like,

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Speaker 2: damn it, I thought it was going to get two grand.

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Speaker 2: Probably not.

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Speaker 2: If you're a shopper online shop for that bat. There's

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Speaker 2: a wonky legal term called deminimus, and the deminimous loophole

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Speaker 2: remains closed and that pack did what you buy online,

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Speaker 2: that's still in the fact explain that, yes, correct.

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Speaker 5: So there used to be a deminimous amount of eight

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Speaker 5: I would normally do online, you did not have to

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Speaker 5: file a formal customs entry, didn't have to pay duties.

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Speaker 5: This administration took away the dominimus, so that now we

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Speaker 2: And that was the workaround for a lot of Chinese

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Speaker 2: like that. They turn around and crank out a cheaper product.

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Speaker 2: Get on TIMU whatever and buy a four dollars sweater

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Speaker 2: that would normally cost you, you know, seven hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: exempt from tax and now this still stands. So it

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Speaker 3: Moreund the world.

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Speaker 1: I think that is a good.

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Speaker 5: That's the very positive way to look at it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that the consumers, we do hear a lot of complaints

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Speaker 5: there's no chance you'll get a refund because you've already

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Speaker 5: gotten your refund from your consumer.

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Speaker 1: So this just gets more and more confusing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and the market take confusion. See the reaction

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Speaker 2: is this week this section one twenty two part that

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Speaker 2: been very country specific. You know, he had his big

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Speaker 2: Gonnat nailed and what the percentages are, and then if

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Speaker 2: he didn't like the person he was talking to, they

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Speaker 2: get hit with a higher tear. If this new section

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Speaker 2: that he's using that expire one hundred and fifty days

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Speaker 2: has to apply universally, does that complicate the trade deals

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Speaker 2: the administration's already struck with countries like in the EU

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Speaker 2: where they negotiated specific rates.

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Speaker 5: I believe it does, and I think that's what we'll

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Speaker 5: see moving forward. It presents a new obstacle. So I

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Speaker 5: have clients who, for example, already emailed me and said

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Speaker 5: I was exempt before, but now I have fifteen percent.

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Speaker 1: So it's actually worse for me.

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Speaker 5: And I think under free trade agreements they're going to

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Speaker 5: have to negotiate what they're going to allow. For example,

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Speaker 5: under the US Canada Mexico agreement, see if there are

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Speaker 5: any exemptions that we can apply. But it actually is

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Speaker 5: going to present significant obstacles for negotiating with new countries

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Speaker 5: we haven't been thinking about.

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Speaker 2: Michelle Schultz is a trade lawyer with Schultz Trade Lawn Dallas,

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Speaker 2: It is something to see. I don't know, and this

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the president, there was a breach at mar

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Speaker 2: So Team USA, if you watched that yesterday, beat Canada

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Speaker 2: You know, there were misshots and a Kennon missed an

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Speaker 2: open net. There were three top level chances late in

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Speaker 2: the game, Celebrini, and they could not get the puck

441
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Speaker 2: to go in. The question is why they just pummeled

442
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Speaker 2: Connor Hellibuck and he was outstanding, but luck also factored

443
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Speaker 2: in as well. And of course American Jack Hughes scored

444
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Speaker 2: the winner a minute forty one into three on three overtime.

445
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: And it's such a hockey thing too. We'll get to

446
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Speaker 2: that in a second with Jack Hughes. But he scores

447
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Speaker 2: the game winner, the bench empties. Everyone's crying there in tears.

448
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Speaker 2: Hella buck I said the the MVP by far. The

449
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Speaker 2: Canadian side criticized the three on three overtime format. The

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Speaker 2: head coach John Cooper was not pleased with it. McKinnon said,

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Speaker 2: you'd be the judge who's a better team. They have

452
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Speaker 2: no question about it. If the game were won on

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Speaker 2: how teams look, Canada would have won that game yesterday.

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Speaker 3: But they did not.

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Speaker 2: And that's the that's the unquestionable part of the game. Right,

456
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Speaker 2: you don't know which way the puck's going to bounce.

457
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Speaker 2: But I mentioned nineteen eighty was do you believe in miracles?

458
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Speaker 2: And this is do you believe in ghosts? I really

459
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Speaker 2: do not. A big ufo guy, made very believer in

460
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Speaker 2: the in spirits. I think they're all around us. So

461
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Speaker 2: you may know his name. He played, of course, the

462
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Speaker 2: superstar for the Columbus Blue Jackets, Johnny Goodrow, known as

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Speaker 2: Johnny Hockey in hockey circles. He and his brother Matthew

464
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Speaker 2: killed by a drunk driver in August of twenty twenty

465
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Speaker 2: four ride near Bike's home from their sister's wedding rehearsal dinner.

466
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Speaker 2: Never got their chance, especially Johnny, to go to the

467
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Speaker 2: Olympics and hockey. One of the cool things about hockey

468
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Speaker 2: is just the brotherhood that is involved in esport. It's

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Speaker 2: not a lot of teams talk about their sports talk

470
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Speaker 2: about that, but in hockey, it's a particular thing that

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Speaker 2: you may have seen Johnny Gudro's number thirteen jersey hanging

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Speaker 2: in the USA locker room after the game. After the

473
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Speaker 2: initial picture was taken of the US players on the ice,

474
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Speaker 2: they brought out Johnny Gudro's children, Johnny Junior, who's was

475
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Speaker 2: his second birthday, and Noah, were on the ice for

476
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Speaker 2: the celebration. They took the kids out and held them

477
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Speaker 2: up with their dad's jersey. Even though technically he didn't

478
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Speaker 2: make the team, he probably most likely would have made

479
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Speaker 2: the US men's squad and they played in his honor

480
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Speaker 2: and it was just such a touching moment. I mean

481
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Speaker 2: literally put a lump in the throat, if not made

482
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Speaker 2: you full on ball like a baby. That's just how

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Speaker 2: cool that was. And Johnny Hockey had died and they

484
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Speaker 2: expected him to be on this team and did not.

485
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Speaker 2: And Dylan Larkin, who was a captain, spoke for the

486
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Speaker 2: team after or captain the Detroit Red Wings. He believed

487
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Speaker 2: that Johnny and Maddie were there somehow, that the puck

488
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Speaker 2: not going in Canadace's net felt like Johnny Gudreaux and

489
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Speaker 2: Mac Gidreaux were standing there doing something and they put

490
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Speaker 2: like a spell around their net. He would have been

491
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Speaker 2: never been back there on defense. But we missed him.

492
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Speaker 2: In love him, I thought, man, there's no other way

493
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Speaker 2: to explain how miracle on Ice two happened, because you

494
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Speaker 2: watch that game and went there's no way Canada is

495
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Speaker 2: not going to score and win this game. And they

496
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Speaker 2: played for I mean a solid most of the certainly

497
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Speaker 2: second and third periods were dominated by the Canadians, and

498
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Speaker 2: when they tied it up, it's like, okay, they got

499
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Speaker 2: thirteen minutes right now to get the overtime, and they

500
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Speaker 2: did despite five and three power plays. I've just never

501
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 2: seen anything like that as long as I watch hockey.

502
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: That much of a dominant performance not resulting in a goal.

503
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's really really hard to do. And Connor

504
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Speaker 2: Hellbuck was amazing in goal. But also the look, I

505
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: mean missing wide open I McKinnon missing a wide open

506
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Speaker 2: shot and you watch it.

507
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Speaker 3: How is this possible?

508
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Speaker 2: Maybe if you do believe in ghosts and that that

509
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Speaker 2: power did Johnny and Matthew Gudreau. Will the United States

510
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Speaker 2: to win that gold medal? Forty six years to the

511
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Speaker 2: date of the miracle on ice? Did we have another

512
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Speaker 2: miracle and a high point for US hockey for that matter,

513
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Speaker 2: with the women absolutely dominating to win their gold medal.

514
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question who's going to win that

515
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Speaker 2: gold and then the US men and another miracle of

516
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Speaker 2: a differ, and that's holding off a very strong Canadian team.

517
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Speaker 2: It really is something I mentioned how hockey this is

518
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Speaker 2: that you know, the most hockey thing in the world

519
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Speaker 2: as you travel, if you you know travel hockey, If

520
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: you travel four thousand miles to play your neighbor, that's

521
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: essentially what why do we call this player neighbor? And

522
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Speaker 2: Jack Hughes, who I mean really is in the NHL

523
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Speaker 2: National Hockey League, really wasn't like, you know, crushing, He

524
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Speaker 2: was like, he's like a fourth line guy. He scored

525
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: I think one goal in his last twenty games, four goals,

526
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Speaker 2: three assistans. In Milan, he just absolutely flashed. And the

527
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: best part was earlier in the game he got a

528
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Speaker 2: high stick to the face, knocked out a bunch of

529
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Speaker 2: teeth on the ice, and he looked down he said

530
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Speaker 2: he saw his teeth there. They're talking to him after

531
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Speaker 2: NBC's talking him after the game, and he's got the toothless,

532
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: bloody smile. I mean it literally his blood in his

533
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: mouth coming down. And it's so hockey because in other sports,

534
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Speaker 2: I mean all about other sports, you knock your teeth out,

535
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: you're probably going to be sidelined for a while. In hockey,

536
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: he didn' miss a shit. His teeth are on the ice,

537
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: is like he's got to be in tremendous pain. And

538
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: of course in hockey, true hockey fashion, he's the guy

539
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Speaker 2: who scores the game winner a minute forty one to

540
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Speaker 2: three on three overtime.

541
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Speaker 3: That was phenomenal.

542
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Speaker 2: And the best part was talking about the ghost element

543
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: here the guy who passed him the puck, Zach Warinsky

544
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Speaker 2: of the Columbus Blue Jackets, the best friend of the

545
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: late Johnny Gudro. What incredible story. I believe in miracles.

546
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: You also got to believe in ghosts. I believe Scott's

547
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Speaker 2: loan on the Big one seven hundred WLW quick timeout.

548
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Speaker 2: More to follow, including at the ten o six today

549
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Speaker 2: on the show, it's Jason Philibaum, attorney at Law. Did

550
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Speaker 2: you see the story involving those at Fountain Square? Remember

551
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Speaker 2: the shooting in front of City Ball at City Bird.

552
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Speaker 2: I guess on Fountain Square October a lot of people

553
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Speaker 2: are downtown, gunshots ring out and the violent summer of

554
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five exclamation point there with that shooting. The

555
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: guy who pulled the trigger in the City Bird shooting

556
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Speaker 2: that we saw in the video, guess what, he's a

557
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: free man. He was not going to go to jail

558
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: for firing at the people inside Citybird. Why philibomb at

559
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: the ten oh six on that more toar following about

560
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: Foeman's here Sloane he seven hundred WW. Scott flown back

561
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WW. Trust you at a good weekend.

562
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Harder getting up this morning when there's that snow on

563
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: the ground. So much for that, you know, little dusting.

564
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: We're supposed to get up until noon yesterday. It was

565
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: still snow in this morning when I got him. But yoh,

566
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: not as hit as hard as New York City, for sure.

567
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: Some areas now at twenty five inches of snow in

568
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: the Greater New York area. There you go, there you go.

569
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Speaker 2: It's five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, the

570
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Speaker 2: big one talk back iHeartRadio app philibam coming up at

571
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: the ten oh seven our attorney friend, defense attorney. How

572
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: a guy who shoots up Citybird at Fountain Square during

573
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: a very popular time winds up with no time in jail?

574
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Speaker 3: How is that possible? How is that possible? To that

575
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: coming up?

576
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Speaker 2: As I said, just after the top of the hour,

577
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Speaker 2: news here on seven hundred WLW. Hey real quick, I

578
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: heard a little bit about this over the weekend, and

579
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny that you know, New York City's

580
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: involved in this big record snowstore the blizzard. If you will,

581
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: and if you want to become an emergency snow shoulver

582
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: for the New York City Department of Transportation or Sanitation,

583
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: you have to show up in a flopply in person.

584
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you're going to get there with

585
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: you know, two inches two feet of snow. It's so

586
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: bad that even like door dashes, even door dashing anymore.

587
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: If you can get there, you have to bring with

588
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: you two one and a half inch square photos what

589
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: do photos? And two original forms of IDA. You'll get

590
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: fifteen to eighteen bucks an hour if you want to

591
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: help move snow. Sounds like a job for the other

592
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 2: part of the say like bills. Mof you'd be all

593
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: over that. But I don't know about New York City.

594
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: So you have to you have to go, and uh

595
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: they have alternate You can stop by the library and

596
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: at a snow day a snowy day library card, which

597
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: is also a valid ID for New York State residents.

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00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: Well, you probably would have to do that.

599
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 2: Imagine the libraries are closed now a little late, so

600
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: you got to do all this stuff. And one may

601
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: ask the questions, well, wait a minute, what about the

602
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: voter id Act that is that's causing all sorts of

603
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: controversies among well, people who would support man done in

604
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Speaker 2: New York City generally those and progressive and on the

605
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: left going well, you know, we think it's wrong, and

606
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: it's racist, and it's also punching down and it's also

607
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: suppressing the vote to ask people to show up with

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Speaker 2: a with an I d uh when they go and register,

609
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: every when they go and vote. So how can you

610
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: how can you be for this and against proof of

611
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: who you are and who you say you are when

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Speaker 2: you show up to vote. I think it's again the

613
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: political irony in the twists here or not lost on me,

614
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: Like it's.

615
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: It's harder for you.

616
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: It's hard.

617
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: You're just shoveling some snow here. You know, you're not

618
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: letting you into the Gracie manson or this is the stage.

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Speaker 2: Just show up, here's here's eighteen. But we'll give you cash.

620
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: Just show up and shovel. Do you really need what kind?

621
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Speaker 2: Why do you need all that identification on you? If

622
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: you're just shoveling snow. It's a street. You could be

623
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: there anyway and shovel. You don't have to get paid.

624
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: You could just out of the If you're looking to

625
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: get a workout in, go shovel some damn snow. They're

626
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: not going to check your ID. Why do you have

627
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: to go? And who the hell would go through all

628
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: that to make fifteen eighteen bucks an hour in this

629
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Speaker 2: kind of way and the kind of whether it happened.

630
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Now you may get a handful of people. You're gonna

631
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Speaker 2: need tens of thousands of people to make a sniffing

632
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Speaker 2: in debt in that snow. It's just kind of funny.

633
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Speaker 2: Of course, the difference is I'd go, well, what it's

634
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Speaker 2: the same. Well, you know, you have a constitutional right

635
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: to vote, not necessarily to shovel snow or drive.

636
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: There's the difference. But that said, you wonder you know that.

637
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Speaker 2: The hills that these political types die on, whether they're

638
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: right or in this case left, It just it makes

639
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: your head hurt. Now it's different. You know you're voting

640
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: God given alibar, but you still have to prove who

641
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: you are. You know, in the context of the whole

642
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: argument too, because the whole fact pattern tends to get

643
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: watered down when you have these polarizing arguments. Is quite

644
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: simply there between anywhere since what twenty twenty four, anywhere

645
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: between seven and seventeen cases documented cases where people who

646
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: voted shouldn't have voted, and the bulk of those cases

647
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: turns out to people that were given wrong information by

648
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Speaker 2: the people the bowling plays like yeah, you're fine, go

649
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: ahead and vote, and they do it, and they're like, well,

650
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have voted here, or you shouldn't voted at all,

651
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: and they just got bad intel. So, you know, the

652
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: idea that somehow that the elections are being swung by

653
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Speaker 2: these people who are not allowed to vote is you know,

654
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Speaker 2: and again it's just more the hysteria which we live

655
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: with in these in these times. Something else that's kind

656
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: of getting buried here is the testimony from Adamisari and

657
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg last week on the on the whole social

658
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Speaker 2: media trial. I want to sere this thing shakes out

659
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: because the argument is by the state that those companies,

660
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Speaker 2: social media companies deliberately target kids with social media's designed

661
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Speaker 2: for future and the first time we've had social media

662
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Speaker 2: executives testifying before a jury regarding the future of social

663
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: media and what that looks like that they're deliberately charged. Attorney,

664
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you cannot deny that you're deliberately

665
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: targeting kids, because you are.

666
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Speaker 3: But that's the algorithm. It's not just kids, but you're

667
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: also targeting adults.

668
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: Anyone who is on social media is swept up in

669
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Speaker 2: the algorithm, and the whole idea is to get you

670
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Speaker 2: to stay longer, to be engaged longer, which leads to

671
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Speaker 2: more time, more clicks in, more ad revenue. That's how

672
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Speaker 2: the system works. I mean, if you know that going in,

673
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Speaker 2: I don't understand what's illegal about the Well they make

674
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: it addictive. Well find me someone who makes any product

675
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: for that matter that technically doesn't want you to use

676
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: the product. Here, we invented this thing called social media,

677
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: but we really we don't want you.

678
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Speaker 3: To use it.

679
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Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't make any sense if you come up

680
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Speaker 2: with an idea that everybody wants you could make that say,

681
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: well they made it addictive. No, they just made something

682
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: that's much much more engaging than anything in real life.

683
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: So you know, what happens in real life has to

684
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Speaker 2: be more engaging than social media now for kids, that's

685
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Speaker 2: not the case. I was making this argument last week

686
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Speaker 2: is like, this is what school should look like if

687
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: you just simply created a platform like social media using

688
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: these same algorithms in the AA which we have an

689
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Speaker 2: you worry about kids not being engaged in school, that's

690
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Speaker 2: how you do it. You teach them on a phone

691
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Speaker 2: as opposed to a teacher in front of a classroom.

692
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Speaker 2: But we can't have that because that would upset the

693
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Speaker 2: whole system. Then what do we need teachers? What do

694
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: we need administrators? What do we need all these buildings

695
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: for the brick and mortar now goes away or it's

696
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Speaker 2: significantly diminuted.

697
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Speaker 3: We can't have that. Not the disruptors with that as well.

698
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Speaker 2: If you really want to educate kids, you got to

699
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Speaker 2: teach them on their level, which this would do, would

700
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Speaker 2: it not. It seems like an argument for social media,

701
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: or at least for that whole model of making something

702
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: making learning addictive. Case they're just stuff the kids that

703
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: want to do in the first place. It seems to

704
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: me that that's what we should be focused on, But

705
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: no one wants to do that because other forces that

706
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: be want to remain the forces that be. But the

707
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Speaker 2: effects of this whole trial, and you know, whether it's

708
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Speaker 2: addictive for kids for sure, I mean, is it addictive

709
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: like drugs. No, it's it gives you maybe it gives

710
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: you the same release of endorphins and everything else in

711
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: your head it does anytime all of a sudden social media,

712
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: But it reinforces a lot of negative things as well.

713
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Speaker 2: I would also say that everything I've read as far

714
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: as the problems that young people have today, it's yeah,

715
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: social has a lot to do with it, but there's

716
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Speaker 2: pure pressure. There's bullying, there's academic pressure, there's all sorts

717
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: of things coming at them that you could also say, well,

718
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: this is why kids are in such an altered mental

719
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Speaker 2: state right now. It's not just social media. It's modern life,

720
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Speaker 2: of which social media is a part. But you just

721
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: can't single that out and say this is the reason

722
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Speaker 2: why kids are higher suicide rates and previous generations and

723
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: are generally more miserable. It certainly is a big factor

724
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Speaker 2: in it, but it's not the only fact. I don't

725
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: know how you separate that. We'll see how it plays out.

726
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: We'll get a news update in audibly relizes whether when

727
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: the snow is going to tape her off, and believe

728
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Speaker 2: it or not, in just a couple of days, it's

729
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: going to be in the fifties again. You want to

730
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Speaker 2: think this is it for old man Winter. We'll find

731
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Speaker 2: out together. Jason Phillibaum coming up next. That's shooting in

732
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Speaker 2: October at Citybird Chicken on Fountain Square. The guy who

733
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger, who had caught on video caught. The

734
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: guy is not going to face charges on this. Why,

735
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: he'll explain coming up after news on the Home of

736
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Speaker 2: the Red seven hundred WWT.

737
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Speaker 5: Since no, do you want to be an American?

738
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Speaker 6: All right?

739
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: The man charge and the Fountain Square shooting goes free.

740
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Speaker 2: What how does self defense trump illegal possession of a firearm?

741
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Speaker 3: Of course?

742
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: Talking about what happened outside of Citybird Restaurant on Fountain

743
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Speaker 2: Square back in October twenty four year old she killed

744
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: ferguson charge with the only sassault and proper discharge of

745
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: a firearm and weapons under disability, meaning he was not

746
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: allowed to have a gun because the previous fell in convictions,

747
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: shot at two subjects inside Citybird right there in Fountain Square.

748
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: We saw the video, and this guy's a free man.

749
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Speaker 2: Whiskey tango foxtrot on that. Jason Philibaum, defense attorney at

750
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Speaker 2: a Butler County Jason, welcome back.

751
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: Are you good morning, doing well? Thank you good good good.

752
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: So to recap that that happened, I think October thirteenth,

753
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Speaker 2: I want to say two people shot and survived. The

754
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Speaker 2: individuals inside City Bird were six year old and a

755
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: nineteen year old. The security footage from inside the restaurant

756
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Speaker 2: show they drew their weapons first, that they're going to

757
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: fire through the glass at this individual. Shaquille Ferguson and

758
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: prosecutors revealed the internal Citybird security video. The charges were

759
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: dismissed with prejudice. So let's start with this. Ferguson's are

760
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: already illegally prohibited from carrying a firearm that's weapon under disability.

761
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: How does self defense override otherwise? What is a clear

762
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: cut gun violation?

763
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't.

764
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Speaker 8: And that's when you first told me about this, I

765
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 8: was like, it doesn't make a lot of sense at all.

766
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 8: I think the only reason that happened in this case

767
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 8: is because he's facing five other counts from two days before.

768
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Speaker 8: He's charged with allegedly shooting at a couple other people

769
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Speaker 8: firing into a car into a house and having weapons

770
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Speaker 8: wandered disability then and in fact, the shooting from the thirteenth,

771
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 8: which happened at Times Square, he allegedly was using the

772
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Speaker 8: same gun. So when I first looked at this, I'm like,

773
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Speaker 8: how is that even possible? A judge can't just dismiss

774
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 8: the case because self defense is something that a try

775
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 8: or fact should decide. It's not something a judge is

776
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 8: going to decide before trial starts. But actually what happened

777
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 8: is the prosecution withdrew the charges, and then when they

778
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 8: told the judge we're going to withdraw these charges, that's

779
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 8: when the judge says, okay, I'll dismiss this case and

780
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 8: then we're going to proceed a trial on the other case.

781
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's gonna wipep going to jail maybe on

782
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: these other charges. But again, you know these people that

783
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: get up and scream about how is she not not

784
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: a maybe in these cases, but but you know, innocent Price,

785
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he was just he was fighting for

786
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: his life and he's a young, upstanding citizen and we'll

787
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: see a picture of him wearing his his cap and

788
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: gown or Yeah, meanwhile, this guy's out committing very serious

789
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: felonies with a gun. It's kind of like Sincere Griggsby,

790
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 2: by the way, who just arrested was arrested, is the

791
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: guy that fled along with Ryan Hinton. He wasn't the

792
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: one that shot. He and what four accomplices total, including Hinton.

793
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 2: Sincere Griggsby just got re arrested for you know, another

794
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: gun crime. And so typically the police target these individuals.

795
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 2: It's not profile, it's the fact that we you're known

796
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: as someone who's a very dangerous, charactered individual out on

797
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: the streets of Cincinnati, especially when it comes to what

798
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: happened with Shaquille Ferguson. And so that's how self defense

799
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: overrides the gun violation. And you know, to recap here,

800
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Speaker 2: how does that work in Ohio? Because you look at it,

801
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: go it doesn't make any sense he shouldn't have the

802
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: gun in the first place. But how does self defense

803
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Speaker 2: law work in that character in that in that Calpaccy

804
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: in Ohio.

805
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, first of all, I think he might be found

806
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 8: guilty or not guilty of the felonious assault, but you

807
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 8: also be found guilty of having a weapons wonder disability.

808
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 8: This is essentially what I tell clients imagine a police

809
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 8: officer who carries a gun for a living, pulls guns

810
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 8: for a living, ends up firing, and it may even

811
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 8: be a justified shoot. What typically happens immediately is they're

812
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 8: put on administrative leave while they're looking at whether this

813
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 8: was a good shooting. I recently defended a client happened

814
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 8: to be white, who was charged immediately and also thrown

815
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 8: in jail that night. He essentially was a uber driver

816
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 8: or a frideshare driver. Some guy was tailgating him because

817
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 8: he was driving the speed limit because if they speed they.

818
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: Get tagged for that.

819
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 8: And the guy jumps out of the car, charges him,

820
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 8: He pulls his firearmiss back off, and then he's arrested.

821
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Speaker 8: And it's not until three or four days later you

822
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 8: get the video what shows exactly what happened. And then

823
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 8: we still had to go to trial where a judge

824
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 8: found him not guilty. So I tell people a police

825
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 8: officer that fires a shot is going to have his life,

826
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Speaker 8: you know, uprooted while they investigate this. Sometimes even nationally,

827
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Speaker 8: same goes for an individual. You have the right to carry,

828
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Speaker 8: you have the right to defend yourself, but if you're

829
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Speaker 8: going to be involved in a shooting, everyone is going

830
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 8: to look at you very closely to make sure you

831
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Speaker 8: did it correctly. And in this case, he might have

832
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 8: justifiably shot in self defense. I think that's what the

833
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 8: video shows. But he wasn't justified in carrying a firearm.

834
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Speaker 8: So even in that case, he'd be found not guilty

835
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Speaker 8: of felonius, but then guilty of weapons water disabilities.

836
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Speaker 3: It should be in this case.

837
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Speaker 2: I mean, you can defend yourself affirmatively as he did here,

838
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Speaker 2: and you know, to try and protect his own well being,

839
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Speaker 2: but he should at least be charged with the weapons violation,

840
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Speaker 2: right Why not?

841
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Speaker 6: Yes?

842
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly now.

843
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Speaker 8: I think at the end of the day, this was

844
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Speaker 8: a strategic decision by the prosecution. They've got him on

845
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 8: what they believe are five good charges, weapons under disability

846
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 8: being one of them. And so if if they dismissed

847
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 8: that case and then he turns around and try this

848
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 8: other case, is found guilty, then the judge can still

849
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 8: take care of him as this prosecutor sees fit. So

850
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 8: I think that's why strategically they dismissed this case. But

851
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 8: if that was the only case he had, I would

852
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 8: expect that this would have went to trial, he'd have

853
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 8: been found not guilty of felonious assault, but then turn

854
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 8: around and being found guilty of having a weapons wonder disability.

855
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: The key evidence here was the internal security footage from

856
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Speaker 2: City Bird. How common is it for in this case

857
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: exculpatory video to surface after those charges against Shaquille Ferguson

858
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: already filed, and who's response is to find that footage?

859
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: It's the police officers.

860
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Speaker 8: But unfortunately, because of how investigations go, you could be

861
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 8: sitting in jail three days before they get this video.

862
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 8: Because imagine what happens. You know, I've got a place here,

863
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 8: I've got videos up. I'm not a tech guy. So

864
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 8: some guy comes in, there's a shooting, they find that

865
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 8: I shot him, I get arrested, I get taken down there.

866
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Speaker 8: No one has access to my video, so it takes

867
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Speaker 8: three or four days before they get the it people

868
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Speaker 8: in here. Then they pull the video and go, oh,

869
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 8: this is self defense, but I've already sat in jail

870
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 8: for four days. That's what happens in a lot of

871
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 8: these places where the police get to a scene, they

872
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 8: see a guy holding a gun and a guy shot

873
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 8: they arrest the guy with the gun.

874
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: They take him back to the station.

875
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 8: He says, I want to speak to an attorney because

876
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 8: I just got arrested and I was having self defense

877
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 8: and the only thing they have is a guy being shot.

878
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 8: They try to get the video, they can't because of

879
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 8: whatever reason. And then three or four days later now

880
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 8: they get the whole story. But by that time there's

881
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 8: already charges pending. So I tell people, you have the

882
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 8: right to carry, you have the right to defend yourself,

883
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 8: but do know that's not going to be a good

884
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 8: day for you, even if it was justified.

885
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question about it, because man, the scrutiny

886
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: is definitely on you. And that's why attorneys like yourself

887
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: and what I've ever spoken with about this, it is like, listen,

888
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: if you defend yourself and you think it's affirmative defense,

889
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: simple you tell the officer, I feel my life was

890
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: in danger. Why did you have My life was into it?

891
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: And that's it, and then you talk to your attorney

892
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: and them sorted out. That's all you give them.

893
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, because I mean, especially nowadays, when you're going

894
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 8: to be firing a weapon.

895
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: Then also depending on what city you're in.

896
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 8: I mean, if you fire a weapon down in Houston

897
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 8: versus you know, maybe a more conservative city, they're looking immediately, hey,

898
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 8: you've got a gun. We don't like guns, and you're

899
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 8: a bad guy. And then after everything gets settled in

900
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 8: court they realize later, Okay, that was a justified self defense.

901
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 8: But it's just so I mean, it's scary, and that's

902
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 8: why I think, you know, we got to give police

903
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 8: some credibility sometimes where they don't want to fire their

904
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 8: gun any more than we do, because the moment they

905
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 8: fire their gun, they are going to be under scrutiny

906
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 8: both nationally, locally and individually. Maybe not so much nationally

907
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 8: except for unless it's Kyle Rittenhouse or someone like that.

908
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, you fire your weapon,

909
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 8: that the police are going to be looking into your

910
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 8: life as if you're a perp until you or an

911
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 8: attorney kind of prove otherwise.

912
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: Defense attorney Jason phil Obama WA Sloane here is seven

913
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: hundred WLW making some sense of the case. From back

914
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: in October, remember the Fountain Square shooting at Citybird Chicken.

915
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: We all saw the video of a twenty four old

916
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: Shaquill Ferguson shooting at individuals dining inside that restaurant. He's

917
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: charged with felonious assault, improper discharge of the firearm, and

918
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: weapons under disability, meaning he's not allowed to have him

919
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: because he's previously convicted of a felony. He lost his

920
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: right to handle a weapon, and yet the court has

921
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: let him go free on this thing because of that

922
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: self defense element that he chose to engage with. So

923
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: he turned himself in immediately. He maintained self defense from

924
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: the jump. How much is that in your opinion, Jason,

925
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: to surrender voluntary and stick to the stories we're talking about.

926
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: How much does that matter legally versus strategically. It does

927
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: some extent.

928
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 8: I had a law school professor once tell me, he goes,

929
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 8: remember this phrase, you run, you're done, And that kind

930
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 8: of symbolizes what self defense is. If you're truly acting

931
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 8: in self defense, you're going to stick around and talk

932
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 8: to the police, or you're going to turn yourself in

933
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 8: the moment you have the ability to do so, you

934
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 8: start running. Usually that's a sign of guilt. It's a

935
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 8: sign of a guilty conscience at least. So if you

936
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 8: start running, then all of a sudden, people are gonna

937
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 8: look at you and be like, ah, I think you've

938
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 8: done something wrong, or at least you think you did

939
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 8: same thing with you know, when there's a situation like

940
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 8: you've heard battered women syndrome, or you know someone that

941
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 8: you know fired a shot, or there's an issue with

942
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 8: you know, whether they're insane or not. You know, people

943
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 8: that run typically show that they knew what they did

944
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 8: was wrong. So those are all things that the police

945
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 8: look at. So if you're going to turn yourself in,

946
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 8: you know, that's a sign that you you probably or

947
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 8: at least you know, going with a self defense argument.

948
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 8: You know, you asked the question earlier about having a

949
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 8: weapons wondered disability. That's the key. You know, if you

950
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 8: have you know, a drug offense, a crime of violence,

951
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 8: or something like that in your history, you are not

952
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 8: able to carry a firearm.

953
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 6: You know.

954
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 8: Let's say, for example, I'm gonna fight with a guy

955
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 8: who has a gun. The gun drops off and I

956
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 8: pick it up. Maybe I can defend myself saying that

957
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 8: it was a duress. It was right there, I'm in

958
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 8: the middle of a fight, but this guy allegedly had

959
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 8: a you know, carry concealed when he walked into this place.

960
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 8: I think if they want the trial, a court would

961
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 8: have found him guilty of weapons wondered disability at least.

962
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the tupulus shot him were armed themselves, and

963
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: they drew first, and one was as young as sixteen

964
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: years old. If you look at that age component too,

965
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: because a lot of times the same defense people say, well,

966
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: he sixteen, he is a kid, he couldn't do anything wrong.

967
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: But again, if you're pointing a gun at someone, you

968
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: better be damn sure that they're not armed. In the

969
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: case of Shaquille Ferguson, he wasn't and that might even

970
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: save his life.

971
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you look at both the I think one

972
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 8: was sixteen, one was nineteen. Either of them could legally

973
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 8: kill concealed, so and I think that's another reason the

974
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 8: police did or the prosecution did what they did, because

975
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 8: you don't have very sympathetic victims here, or alleged victims,

976
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 8: because both of them shouldn't have had a gun. No

977
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 8: one there should have had a gun. And this was

978
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 8: essentially a shootout at the OK Corral. You know at

979
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 8: the end they drew first, allegedly by this video, so

980
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 8: that would justify in his mind saying well, I thought

981
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 8: I was in fear for my life, so I fired back.

982
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 8: But then you look at the fact no one should

983
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 8: have had guns. So the jury'd be looking at this

984
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 8: and go, what's going on here. There's a guy that

985
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 8: shouldn't have a gun firing it to other people that

986
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 8: shouldn't have a gun, and they want us to side guilt.

987
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 8: I mean, I think that's why the prosecution did what

988
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 8: they did. Then they're going to focus on what they

989
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 8: think the good case is.

990
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: From two days earlier, Jason, the judge dismissed this case

991
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: with prejudice.

992
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

993
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 8: That means that it can't be brought back. So when

994
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 8: they dismissed the case without prejudice, that typically means you

995
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 8: have some time to bring it back, depending on the

996
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 8: situation and time constraints. When it's dismissed with prejudice, that's

997
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 8: mean it's over. You know, they the prosecution couldn't bring

998
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 8: it back if they wanted. And so let's say, for example,

999
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 8: they went to the trot, they go to trial on

1000
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 8: the one from the eleventh and they lose, then they're like, oh,

1001
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 8: I want to bring this other case back and at

1002
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 8: least get them on weapons won or ability.

1003
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: They can't do that. It's it's over and done with.

1004
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 8: And so I think that's that's another indication that there's

1005
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 8: probably some time considerations.

1006
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: You know, he is in jail, he is being held.

1007
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 8: They had trial ready to go, so the judge probably said,

1008
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 8: I'm not going to continue this. You know, if you

1009
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 8: want to dismiss it with prejudice you can. Otherwise we're

1010
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 8: going to trial. And then the prosecution strategically decided let's

1011
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 8: go ahead and you know, go after the hard, easy

1012
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 8: case that they have.

1013
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: I think it goes to show you just how strong

1014
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: that video evidence was from inst or huh.

1015
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 8: Yes, I mean, you know, people talk about video and bodycams.

1016
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 8: I find that's very helpful in court because you know,

1017
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 8: typically I can't tell you how many times, like in

1018
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 8: the case that I just tried that I told you about,

1019
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 8: if there was no video there. You know, the alleged

1020
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 8: victim in that case said that this guy got out

1021
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 8: of his car first and pulled a gun and pointed

1022
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 8: at him, and Mike I said, no, that didn't happen,

1023
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 8: and you would have had one person versus the other person, and.

1024
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: Who knows what the judge would have done. Instead, you

1025
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: have video that clearly shows what happens.

1026
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 8: This guy was tailgate and my client he pulls out

1027
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 8: a gun and in self defense, and I think that's what,

1028
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 8: you know, help help the judge decide that case. And

1029
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 8: so in these particular cases, video are very important, and

1030
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 8: that's why a good investigation you need to go do that.

1031
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 8: You need to look at video across the street, you

1032
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 8: need to look at video, you know, at the place

1033
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 8: where this happened. You want to look at everything because

1034
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 8: even using this case as an example, if he walked

1035
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 8: in with his gun out and that was seen from

1036
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 8: another video or then his self defense may not be

1037
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 8: so easy because it looked like he was going in

1038
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 8: for a fight. But the fact that he walked in

1039
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 8: and then they pulled a gun first, and the video

1040
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 8: is very clear about that. That's the difference between sometimes

1041
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 8: guilt and not guilty.

1042
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's not forget the fact that this is

1043
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: the case that costs Chief Terry Fiji her job and

1044
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: brought to interim Chief Adam any In at this thing.

1045
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of political community weight and pressure

1046
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: here too. Does that change how the prosecutor handled this?

1047
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: You know, I would hope not.

1048
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 8: I think at the end of the day that the

1049
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 8: prosecution in their mind thinks, we got this guy who's

1050
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 8: carrying a firearm that shouldn't be carrying a firearm. He's

1051
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 8: now shot at or shot multiple people over different days.

1052
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 8: You know, in her mind, I want to make sure

1053
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 8: that this guy is held accountable, So I'm going to

1054
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 8: do what's strategically best for the case. That's what I

1055
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 8: hope a prosecutor would decide. And since she's more of

1056
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 8: a county instead of a city, I would think that

1057
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 8: that's the decision that went into it is that's that's

1058
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 8: put all our eggs in the case that is going

1059
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 8: to be easier to prove instead of the one where

1060
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 8: you know, our guys shot at first or something of

1061
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 8: that nature. So I think I think that's probably what

1062
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 8: endo the mindset. And at the end of the day,

1063
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 8: if I'm a prosecutor, I'm thinking, you know, she got

1064
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 8: she got let go because there's crime. Well, you still

1065
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 8: had a sick ten year old and a nineteen year

1066
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 8: old carrying gun pointing it out in the public area.

1067
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 8: I mean, that's stell problematic. So I'm thinking in her mind,

1068
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 8: you know, she would do what is best for the case,

1069
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 8: and I would hope that political part would not play

1070
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 8: a role in it.

1071
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: All Right, this guy's name is Shaquille Ferguson, and he

1072
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: is exonerated from this crime, dismissed with prejudice, even though

1073
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have a gun in the first place. And

1074
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about with Jason Philbaum right now.

1075
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned at the jump, Ferguson's now facing

1076
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: separate charges in a North Side shooting. This happened just

1077
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: days before what happened in Fountain Square, So can the

1078
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: prosecutors in that case use Fountain Square that that will

1079
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: listen against him, even though those charges were dismissed with prejudice.

1080
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 8: Possibly, And the reason that's going to happen is there's

1081
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 8: a I think a report at least in the Bill

1082
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Speaker 8: of particulars that the gun that was used on the

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Speaker 8: thirteenth was the same gun that was used on the eleventh.

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Speaker 8: So they don't have the gun on the eleventh because

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Speaker 8: he obviously took it with him, but they do have

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Speaker 8: the gun from the thirteenth because he turned himself in

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Speaker 8: and they have that gun, and according to I believe

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Speaker 8: reports they were able to run ballistics and match those

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Speaker 8: guns up. If that's what comes out in evidence, then

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Speaker 8: they will be able to link how they got the gun.

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Speaker 8: And so the question to the the police officers, how

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Speaker 8: did you get this gun? Oh, well, he brought it

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Speaker 8: to me after the second shooting at Fountain Square. You know,

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Speaker 8: now that will be interesting because I would expect that

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Speaker 8: his attorney will file some motions regarding whether or not

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Speaker 8: comes in and so you're probably gonna see some hearings

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Speaker 8: down the road about whether or not how they got

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Speaker 8: that gun can be choosed.

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Speaker 7: In the.

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Speaker 8: Case on the eleventh, you had three individual Fountains squarecase,

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Speaker 8: you have.

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Speaker 2: Three individuals here are twenty four, nineteen and sixteen. All

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Speaker 2: of them shouldn't have had guns. These are bad dudes

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Speaker 2: who shouldn't have guns in the first place, and either

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Speaker 2: they're ganged up or they's some stupid street beef. But

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Speaker 2: in that regard, would there be a civil liability here?

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine too many folks like this are engaged

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Speaker 2: in civil suits against Shaquille Ferguson or vice versa. But

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Speaker 2: does that self defense finding a criminal court And the

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Speaker 2: fact that the judge dismissed the prevident with prejudice carry

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Speaker 2: any weight in a potential civil suit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. I mean the best example was O. J. Simpson.

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Speaker 8: He was found not guilty in a criminal case and

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Speaker 8: then turned around and sued for millions of dollars. So

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Speaker 8: just because you're found not guilty in a criminal case,

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Speaker 8: or just because the prosecutors side to dismiss the case,

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Speaker 8: doesn't mean you can't turn around and sue. Now, again,

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Speaker 8: the difference is in a criminal case, you look at

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Speaker 8: the action of the defendant.

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Speaker 3: Did what he do? Was it a crime?

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Speaker 8: And it is not necessarily a defense to say two

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Speaker 8: crimes don't make it right.

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Speaker 3: You know, two wrongs don't make it right. So that's

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Speaker 3: what they look at.

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Speaker 8: In a civil case, there is some issue of well,

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Speaker 8: did the you know, plaintiff in a civil case bring

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Speaker 8: it on themselves? At what point do they have some

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Speaker 8: liability and so the you know, not forgetting about whether

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Speaker 8: they got money to go around, But the issue is

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Speaker 8: going to be, you know, the fact that they had

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Speaker 8: guns when they shouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: They're not the most sympathetic plaintiff in the civil case.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is a bloody summer. In closing, Jason phil

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Speaker 2: Obama bloody summer in Cincinnati for share with the citybird

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Speaker 2: shoe to mean, of course, what happened in January, or

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Speaker 2: what happened last year with Alex Ttravinsky the suspect and

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Speaker 2: the victim, and what happened in July twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: and right now and in January. Now in February, we

1139
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Speaker 2: had a witness last month failing to appear over safety concerns.

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Speaker 2: In this trial, Travinsky faces misdemeanor chargers. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people believe those were misfiled and it was some sort

1142
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Speaker 2: of racial or administrative with the part administration, some sort

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Speaker 2: of retribution. But nonetheless, this happened in July twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Here we are in February, about to be March, and

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Speaker 2: still there's no movement here. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: that case was continued yet again, how many more continuances?

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Speaker 2: What happened in the case like this and why do

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Speaker 2: they do that? Well, every judge runs are courted very

1149
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Speaker 2: a little differently. But one of the issues they're going

1150
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Speaker 2: to look at is, you know, is he in jail

1151
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Speaker 2: or not. If he's in jail, the court and the

1152
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Speaker 2: prosecution have to move quickly and the only way they

1153
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Speaker 2: wouldn't move quickly is if the defense asked for continuance. Now,

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Speaker 2: according to court records, the continuance here was requested, you know,

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Speaker 2: so they could have a bond here and on the

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Speaker 2: third to see if he could get out of jail

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Speaker 2: while pending. And I'm guessing that if he does get

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Speaker 2: out of jail, well the case is pending, they're going

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Speaker 2: to kick this out as far as possible. If he's

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Speaker 2: not going to be out of jail, then they're going

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Speaker 2: to want the case sooner than later so they can

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Speaker 2: at least have his day in court, because that's another thing.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be sitting in jail for two years,

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Speaker 2: you know, waiting for a case, and then you're found

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Speaker 2: not guilty.

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Speaker 3: I mean you've done your time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is gonna be interesting. And it just

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Speaker 2: it feels like that this is justice delayed in a

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Speaker 2: sense because this has gone on. It seems pretty clear

1170
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Speaker 2: cut and yet and the city certainly doesn't want any

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Speaker 2: part of this. They'd rather just thing simply go away.

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Speaker 2: He's defense attorney Jason Philibaum in private practice with Jonnison. Philibbam, Jason,

1173
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Speaker 2: thanks for jumping on this morning, all the best always

1174
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: there you go. So that makes sense why a guy

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Speaker 2: who shouldn't have a gun, who had a gun, who

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Speaker 2: shot somebody at Found Square is off free today because

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Speaker 2: of the way our gun laws work. It certainly can

1178
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Speaker 2: be maddening and frustrating, but that's how it is, and

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Speaker 2: it protects us all to some degree, even if you

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Speaker 2: are a felon. And this guy's going to get jammed

1181
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Speaker 2: up already on something else, so it doesn't take along

1182
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Speaker 2: much like a Sincere Grigsby, Ryan Hinton's running buddy, running mate,

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00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: ran from police and now back in trouble again. Most

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Speaker 2: people go, well, why would you do that again if

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Speaker 2: you got away the first time? And why make a

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Speaker 2: thing work? But this is not how folks like that think.

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Speaker 2: Scott's Loan Show seven hundred de Wuty Weld. Everyone needs

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Speaker 2: help every now and then, and she'sier to help us

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Speaker 2: get our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday with

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Speaker 2: mental health expert had Shire. So your brain on meditation

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00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: looks a lot like your brain on medication on meditation

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00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: that looks like psychedelic drugs, and how do you use

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Speaker 2: that to improve your mental health?

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Speaker 3: Not the drug ugs but the meditation. Julie H. Welcome.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I like this topic because I just,

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Speaker 2: you know, the meditation and thinking about stuff. I don't

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Speaker 2: like myself enough to hang out that long with myself.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to hang out in your head No, no,

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Speaker 1: I do not want to.

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Speaker 2: Head my headspace. I try to run from my headspace,

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Speaker 2: not like lean into it and think more. I need

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Speaker 2: to think less.

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Speaker 1: Well, meditation is not about thinking more, it's actually about

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Speaker 1: thinking less.

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Speaker 9: But it's not easy for a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of people to do.

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Speaker 1: Many of us have a hard time with it. I

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Speaker 1: don't do it well. I think it's a great practice

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Speaker 1: and I try occasionally, but it's hard for me too.

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Speaker 2: Just the idea is kind of a turn off, I

1214
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: think for a lot of people because you think it's

1215
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: that touchy feely, you know, oat oat bran, granola crunch

1216
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: and tree hugging nonsense, and like, it's not my thing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'd love to be able to lean

1218
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Speaker 2: into it because I heard it's like, if you can

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Speaker 2: embrace it and do it and lean into it, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of people I know who

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Speaker 1: do it. And find it to be incredibly beneficial. But

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Speaker 1: I think what's hard about it for most of us

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Speaker 1: is that it takes us quite a while to get

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Speaker 1: to the place where we can do it successfully, and

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Speaker 1: we're easily frustrated by it. There are some really wonderful

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Speaker 1: apps out there that take you through guided meditations and

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Speaker 1: get you into the practice of doing it in very

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Speaker 1: small bites, like five minutes at a time or ten

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Speaker 1: minutes at a time, and those are really successful for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. And then once you get into

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Speaker 1: the habit of doing it. I know people who really

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Speaker 1: don't like to start their day or in their day

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Speaker 1: without doing it. This is how they sort of bookend

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Speaker 1: their day. Becomes part of.

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Speaker 9: Like brushing their teeth, It becomes something.

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Speaker 1: They just do every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So the study finds that meditation can

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Speaker 2: reshape your brain activity, kind of like psychedelics.

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Speaker 3: Do you know we heard.

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Speaker 2: We heard about people you experiment with mushrooms and things

1241
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: like that and getting into zen kind of feeling. So

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Speaker 2: I guess the research scan the brains of some Buddhist

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00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: monks that average fifteen thousand plus hours of meditation experience,

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Speaker 2: and right there, I look at it as an asterisk,

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Speaker 2: because well, if you're a Buddhist monk, your whole job

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00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: is to just be chill. My job is to not

1247
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: be chilled, Julie. If your job is to be a

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Speaker 2: Buddhist monk and bzen, then you're probably really good at

1249
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: meditation anyway.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of a dumb study, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it could be considered that. Yeah, I see why

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Speaker 1: you say that, because that's not the way most of

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Speaker 1: us live. But in order to study something this specific

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00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: you need people who focus on it specifically, I think.

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Speaker 1: And so the study was just twelve months, and they

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Speaker 1: have averaged about fifteen thousand hours of meditation so far

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Speaker 1: in their life, and they did two different kinds of meditation.

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Speaker 1: They focused on two different kinds of meditation. One is samatha.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm saying that right, and the other

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Speaker 1: is vipasana. I'm also not sure I'm saying that right.

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Speaker 1: But basically what it means is samathas where you focus

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Speaker 1: your attention on something like your breath or a candle flame,

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Speaker 1: and vitasana is where you broaden your attention to anything

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Speaker 1: that happens to flow through your brain, but you just

1265
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Speaker 1: let it flow through you don't attach to it, and

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Speaker 1: so they're different in the way that they operate and

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Speaker 1: they're different in the impact they have. But in order

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Speaker 1: to understand the impact that meditation will have on you know,

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Speaker 1: as normal people, you need to understand what the impact

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Speaker 1: could be and do using experts like this seems to

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: make sense in order to gather that information.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, because the fifteen thousand hours, that's about five workdays.

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Speaker 2: So if you work an eight hour day, that's five

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Speaker 2: years of work of meditation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's your job, you know the.

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Speaker 1: Job, you know, they say it takes they say it

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Speaker 1: takes ten thousand hours to get good at something. These

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Speaker 1: guys are extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a whole different level right there.

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Speaker 1: So it's a whole different level.

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Speaker 2: What is the difference between meditation and mindfulness? Your mindfulness

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Speaker 2: a lot these Hell, there's a app on your watch

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01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: if you have an Apple watch, it's about mindfulness. What's

1284
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Speaker 2: the difference or is it the same thing?

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Speaker 1: So meditation is mindfulness, but not all mindfulness is meditation.

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Speaker 1: So when you are meditating, you are being mindful. You

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Speaker 1: are paying attention to or focusing on what's going on

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Speaker 1: in your mind, and you're working to either hone your

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Speaker 1: concentration to one thing, like the breath coming in or out,

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Speaker 1: or a sound some people use own to meditate on,

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Speaker 1: or a candle flame. So that is mindfulness, but not

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Speaker 1: all ways of being mindful our meditation, sitting and enjoying

1293
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Speaker 1: a really good meal, savoring every bite, sipping the wine,

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Speaker 1: seeing the beautiful colors of whatever is in front of

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Speaker 1: you on the plate, smelling the aromas, doing that, and

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Speaker 1: actually not just eating while you're watching TV, but really

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Speaker 1: fully embracing the total experience of a delicious meal. That's mindfulness.

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Speaker 1: Taking a walk in nature and paying attention to the

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Speaker 1: sounds of the leaves and the birds and the crunch

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Speaker 1: of the leaves under your feet, that's mindfulness. So we

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Speaker 1: can be aware, which is what I think of mindfulness

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Speaker 1: as being being aware of what's happening around you and

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Speaker 1: within you. Meditation is a particular version of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just deeper, is what you're saying. Meditation is like

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Speaker 2: shutting everything down, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And what this study found is that some of the

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Speaker 1: changes that fifteen thousand hours of meditation made in these

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Speaker 1: monks brains are similar to the changes that we see

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Speaker 1: when people use psychedelic medication. And so I want to

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Speaker 1: say that there is a growing and really robust body

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Speaker 1: of evidence that psychedelic medications used in conjunction with therapy

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Speaker 1: can really help people with some very difficult, sticky problems

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Speaker 1: like PTSD and other trauma responses like intractable depression, like anxiety.

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Speaker 9: So the one that we're using most frequently in the.

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Speaker 1: State of Ohio is ketamine. And I realized we're not

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Speaker 1: talking about psychedelics, but I just want to say that

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Speaker 1: they are actually really beneficial in helping people with these

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Speaker 1: deeply challenging mental health issues that nothing else seems to

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Speaker 1: have made a big difference with. And so what they're

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Speaker 1: noticing is that this level of meditation has similar kinds

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Speaker 1: of effects on the actual brain wiring and the neurochemistry

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Speaker 1: that psychedelic medications do.

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Speaker 3: All right, so does acatamine get me there quicker?

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Speaker 1: It won't take fifteen thousand hours, it's all Ketamine therapy

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Speaker 1: does not take fifteen thousand hours.

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Speaker 3: I'm an American. It's like I got time for that.

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Speaker 2: I got five years to sit there in om They

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Speaker 2: got their gongs, and they've got these bulls. They're making

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Speaker 2: noise and crazy. I'm sitting there in this row, but

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about a million other things. Just give me

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Speaker 2: the drugs. Let's go, right, the sooner doc. Let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's go. Who typically is that written.

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Speaker 1: For ketamine prescriptions? People who have, as I said, people

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Speaker 1: who have really paralyzing anxiety. It's great for anxiety, it's

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Speaker 1: great for depression, it's great for bipolar disorder, it's great

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Speaker 1: for stress, post traumatic stress disorder PTSD, and trauma responses.

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Speaker 1: It really allows your brain to open some of the

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Speaker 1: neural pathways that they may it may not have opened

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Speaker 1: before and make connections that didn't make before. And in

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Speaker 1: conjunction with therapy. So ketymine itself can be a trippy experience,

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Speaker 1: but ketamine assisted therapy is therapy using ketamine to help

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Speaker 1: create connections that weren't there before and to help prune

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Speaker 1: connections that no longer serve you. And it leads to

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Speaker 1: this concept called brain criticality. And this is what they

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Speaker 1: found with the meditation study that they did, and the

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Speaker 1: way I understand it, and this is a little beyond

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Speaker 1: my I scope of expertise, but I did some reading,

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Speaker 1: and the way I understand it is brain criticality is

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Speaker 1: like this sweet spot when your brain can receive, process,

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Speaker 1: and act on information optimally. So we know that receiving

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Speaker 1: information is one set of skills that your brain does.

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Speaker 1: Processing it is another, and making decisions and acting on

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Speaker 1: it is another.

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Speaker 9: And sometimes, particularly in.

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Speaker 1: Our world, we get so inundated with the stuff coming

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Speaker 1: in that we have a hard time processing it or

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Speaker 1: making any sense of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the study found, if you're experienced, you know,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand hours, your brains look I guess upon inspection

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Speaker 2: with the CT look more meditative, even at rest. But

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Speaker 2: what are the real world mental health implications of that

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Speaker 2: kind of permanent shift and how long does that take?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long it takes, because again, this

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Speaker 1: was a study with people who meditate to the degree

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Speaker 1: that no actual living person or a monk would, right, right,

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Speaker 1: But it is promising that we could get of that

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Speaker 1: benefit with less effort and fewer hours of meditation if

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Speaker 1: we do it regularly, that it will help our brains

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Speaker 1: figure out how.

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Speaker 9: Better to process the information.

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Speaker 1: Coming in and how better to use it to make

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Speaker 1: choices and decisions and take action going forward. And the

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Speaker 1: people that I know who meditate regularly say that they

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Speaker 1: can tell the difference on days when they do and

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Speaker 1: days when they don't, just by how they feel, how

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Speaker 1: they operate in the world, how calm they are, how

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Speaker 1: quickly they make decisions, how easily they process what's coming

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Speaker 1: out them, how they kind of roll with the punches

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Speaker 1: that life throws. They can tell the difference on days

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Speaker 1: they meditate in days they don't. So I think what

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Speaker 1: we can extrapolate from this is that done regularly, even

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Speaker 1: on a much smaller scale, like a more normal person scale,

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Speaker 1: it can have long range benefits for our ability to

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Speaker 1: optimally live in our world.

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Speaker 2: Julie hat To share a licensed metal health therapists from

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Speaker 2: right here in Cincinnati and Clifton. It's Mental Health Monday

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Speaker 2: with Julie. A new study comes out showing that if

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Speaker 2: you meditate, it has the same effect as some psychedelic

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Speaker 2: drugs like Academy, and you can use that to improve

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Speaker 2: your mental state. And even something like mindfulness is a

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Speaker 2: good start, which is a smaller version of smaller subset

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Speaker 2: of that. And my mindfulness has been commoditizer, it's been

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Speaker 2: mainstream the corporate wellness programs and schools and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Typically when somebody does it, or meditates for that matter.

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Speaker 2: How many minutes a day are they devoting to it depends.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as I said, some of these apps give

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Speaker 1: you five or ten minute guided meditations that get you started.

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Speaker 1: Many people tend to do twenty or thirty minutes at

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Speaker 1: the beginning at the end of their day if they

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Speaker 1: have the time to do that. But even just a

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Speaker 1: little bit of time kind of focusing your brain will

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Speaker 1: allow you to have some.

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Speaker 9: Of the benefits.

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Speaker 1: And mindfulness can be as simple as taking a piece

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Speaker 1: of chocolates and putting it in your mouth and paying

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Speaker 1: attention to all of the sensations as it dissolves on

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Speaker 1: your tongue, really focusing on how does it feel, how

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Speaker 1: does it taste, where do you taste it on your tongue.

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Speaker 1: But that level of attention and that level of focus

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Speaker 1: can help you focus in later in the day because

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Speaker 1: it trains your brain to show up in that way

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Speaker 1: when you need it to. And don't we all need

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Speaker 1: times when we need to focus. I mean, don't we

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Speaker 1: all have times when we need to shut out what's

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Speaker 1: going on in the world and focus on what's in

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Speaker 1: front of us.

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Speaker 9: Whatever that might be, No.

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Speaker 2: Question, I know, there's some books. I think the Bob

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Speaker 2: Rotell a book about this too. If you go all

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Speaker 2: for play on play sports, it's like, okay, well I've

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Speaker 2: had a bad experience or maybe you're starting to get that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the yips are choking or whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: and you can't hit a shot, and so they tell

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Speaker 2: you it's like, all right, so what you need to

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Speaker 2: do is take yourself out of that and you know,

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Speaker 2: feel the grass under your feet and smell the you know,

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Speaker 2: smell the fush gray to listen to the bird singing

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Speaker 2: and uh, visually, what's it?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 2: And it's distracting, is what it is. It's the same principle, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: It takes your brain out of what it's hyper focused on,

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Speaker 1: the isn't getting you where you want to get, and

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Speaker 1: allows it to broaden its focus and to relax a

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Speaker 1: little bit, thus allowing your body to remember what it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to do when you address the ball. If you're

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Speaker 1: playing golf, you see this a lot in basketball players.

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Speaker 1: I notice that when they get up to shoot free

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Speaker 1: throws and they bounce the ball a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: they twirl it in the hands, they set their feet,

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Speaker 1: they bounce it again and they throw, and they do

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Speaker 1: the same thing over and over again.

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Speaker 9: Every time they do a free throw.

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Speaker 1: This is their body and their brain telling each other, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we know what we're doing. We're getting ourselves set, we're

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Speaker 1: getting into our little zone there for just a moment,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to shoot the free throw. And it's

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Speaker 1: that kind of focus when you need it, and the

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Speaker 1: ability to zoom out and see the larger picture, like

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Speaker 1: same basketball player on the court, running up and down

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Speaker 1: the court, taking in everything that's happening. It's that narrow

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Speaker 1: focus and broad focus that meditation facilitates. It makes it

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Speaker 1: easier for you to zoom in when you need to

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Speaker 1: and zoom out when you need to. Know which to do.

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Speaker 2: One gotcha, you can turn it on and turn it off,

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Speaker 2: which is as you learn to do it through meditating.

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Speaker 2: You learn how to turn it on turn it off.

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Speaker 6: That's all.

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Speaker 2: Like somebody like Tiger Woods talks about his mechanism. When

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Speaker 2: he's ten feet away from the bald, he thinks about

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Speaker 2: the next shew, he forgets what's going on. And I

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Speaker 2: think most people and again it's a sports analogy or

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Speaker 2: weekend golf or a weekend athlete kind of analogy. But

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Speaker 2: for everybody else is you know, if you're constantly your

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Speaker 2: body's constantly stress, that's PTSD. You're setting yourself up for

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Speaker 2: a lot of bad things.

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Speaker 1: Yes, stress is not great for the body long term.

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Speaker 1: Short term, it can be an energizer. And we talk

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Speaker 1: about PTSD, we don't talk a whole lot about post

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Speaker 1: traumatic stress growth, which may be a topic for another day.

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Speaker 1: But there are good things that can come out of

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Speaker 1: difficult time, and then we can also get stuck in

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Speaker 1: the bad.

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Speaker 9: Stuff that comes out of difficult time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ruminating meditation.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and meditation and mindfulness can help you move from

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Speaker 1: the PTSD, the distress disorder, to post traumatic growth where

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Speaker 1: you get something good and you move forward in a

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Speaker 1: different way from the terrible thing that happened to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure for a lot of folks, and you're listening

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Speaker 2: to this going, I don't know, it's like it feels

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Speaker 2: new worldy, and you know, I don't know, it's hard

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Speaker 2: to get past that, right. There's a stigma attached to this.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there used to be. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that there still is. I've read so many athletes and

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Speaker 1: interviews with so many athletes where they talk about meditation,

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Speaker 1: and so many business leaders where they talk about starting

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Speaker 1: their day or ending their day with a brief meditation.

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Speaker 1: So many people focus on mindfulness and training your brain,

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Speaker 1: which is essentially what we're doing here, training our brain

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Speaker 1: to operate optimally. And I don't think that that is

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Speaker 1: as punchy granola and hippie gippy trippy as it used

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Speaker 1: to be. I think so many people who are in

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Speaker 1: highly successful professions and highly successful fields are using this

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Speaker 1: as one of the tools in their toolbox. Like training

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Speaker 1: your body to operate optimally, meditation can help train your

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Speaker 1: brain to do that.

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Speaker 2: I would say that, Julie, if this were to really

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Speaker 2: take root in America, you would have a chain of

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Speaker 2: meditation clinics or you can get a membership. Then somebody

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Speaker 2: goes in and helps you meditate, as opposed to going

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Speaker 2: seeing a doctor or a license, right, I mean when

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Speaker 2: when that happens in America? For example, you know we

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Speaker 2: have inside dog parks, We have places you could take

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Speaker 2: your kid to go play inside for grand out a lot,

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Speaker 2: we have doordat, we farm everything out. We would do ourselves,

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Speaker 2: you know, the easy stuff. You go and get your

1509
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 2: eyebrows threaded, whatever the hell that is. But there's a

1510
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 2: place to go get your eyebrows threaded. I can find

1511
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: all sorts off. I go to place. Okay, I want

1512
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 2: to stretch. No, we got there's actually a health center

1513
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: that will stretch you out. You can stretch yourself. No,

1514
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 2: I need somebody to do it for me. When we

1515
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: have a chain of these and maybe you're the person

1516
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: who start at Julie Hatters here a chain of meditation

1517
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 2: slash mindfulness clinics, then this will take root in America.

1518
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: You've got to create that urgency and demand. You got

1519
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: to tell people what they're missing.

1520
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 6: Yes percent, okay, okay.

1521
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: Well then we need to get the meditation marketers on that.

1522
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: That's not my jam, but I totally think there's you know,

1523
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's a place for that.

1524
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: You gotta sell people you go in. I mean the airport,

1525
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 2: you got the ones, the Christian Science reading Room.

1526
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 3: It's something like that.

1527
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: You a place where you just sit there and read.

1528
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: We call the library, but it's a Christian Science reading room.

1529
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: You gotta get on this. You got to make billions

1530
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 2: and billions of dollars. You gotta ligne your own pockets.

1531
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 6: With us.

1532
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 3: Julie, you know what I'm saying.

1533
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: I totally hear you.

1534
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 9: I'm not sure I'm the.

1535
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: Girl for it.

1536
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 4: You are.

1537
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 3: You're too low, You're too meditative.

1538
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: That's the problem, all right, So mindfulness meditation, there's apps

1539
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: out there. If you think there's something in a check

1540
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: into it. I mean, maybe actually be able to instead

1541
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: of farming this out and getting a drug for it,

1542
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: you can actually do this yourself. I know that's a

1543
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: novel concept. She's Julie had to share our licensed mental

1544
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: health therapist. It's mental health money in the Scott Sloan Show. Hey,

1545
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 2: Julie at be connected. That care is her hand. If

1546
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: you want to reach out, email, question, concern or maybe

1547
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: future topic, she'd love to read it from you.

1548
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 3: So Julie will talk next week. You have a good one.

1549
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 3: Thanks again, Thanks you too.

1550
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: By all right, we've got record snow in New York City,

1551
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: over ten thousand delays cancels. Your concern is if you're

1552
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 2: flying out that way or someone is the next few days,

1553
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: it's going to be a problem for sure. So we're

1554
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: about ten thousand right now out in that quarter.

1555
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 6: We'll get a.

1556
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 2: News updated momentarily when I return Steve Goodness here, what

1557
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,480
Speaker 2: about this ruling by the Supreme Court over Trump's tariffs?

1558
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: What does that mean in the long term? He's trying

1559
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: to Trump's trying to work around it, and of course

1560
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: it adds more costs. You know, we're talking about a

1561
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars refund that looks like it's probably not

1562
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: going to happen for us. What does this mean for

1563
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: the cost of goods and services here in America? That's

1564
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 2: next on the show seven hundred WW since now you

1565
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: want to be an American Indio Scott's folling back on

1566
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: this Monday morning here seven hundred WLW. Lots going on,

1567
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 2: including this developing on Friday, the Supreme Court struck down

1568
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: Trump's tariffs. So what's going to go on with prices?

1569
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: Could prices get worse? And what does all this mean?

1570
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: Breaking down how this will play out? Is our buddy

1571
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden, attorney at law, local attorney, and joins the

1572
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: show now to discuss because his mind is really good

1573
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: when it comes to constitutional law. A well minded constitutional attorney. Steve,

1574
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: how are you how you ben?

1575
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 6: Brother? Fantastic?

1576
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what that that intro meant, but

1577
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: they well minded, you know, yeah, but you know, constitutional

1578
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: lost kind of your kind of your thing. So, you know,

1579
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 2: rewinding the Supreme Court rule six three on Trump's terarifs

1580
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: are illegal, biggest defeat he's had in the second term.

1581
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 2: The Court said, Congress is the body that has to

1582
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 2: grant those major economic rules and those powers. Uh, they've

1583
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 2: collected one hundred and seventy five billion and tariff revenue,

1584
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: and now that money's up in the air.

1585
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 4: Uh.

1586
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: The conservatives, the three that dissented, Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito, said, well,

1587
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 2: that's a big thing, is how are you going to

1588
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: undo this? How are you going to refund this one

1589
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five billion dollars. So literally, we've had

1590
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 2: hundreds of companies in the last three days file protective

1591
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: lawsuits pro to to preserve refund claims because they want

1592
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: to want to get on the bus first in order

1593
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 2: to a few indeed get that money back. So, uh,

1594
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: let's take it through what happened here. So the it's

1595
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: called the Major Questions Doctrine, Uh, to strike the tariffs down?

1596
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 3: And what does that mean?

1597
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean basically it means, you know, sort of

1598
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 4: what it says is that the Court can take up.

1599
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 4: The Supreme Court can take up cases that they feel.

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously a big, big part of Supreme Court

1601
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 4: litigation is what cases they take. They only take a small,

1602
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 4: small fraction of the cases that are sent there. Otherwise

1603
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 4: you know, they would never be able to function. And

1604
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 4: the Major Questions doctrine lets them take a look at

1605
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 4: the things that they think have overarching policy implications.

1606
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 6: They go beyond just this case.

1607
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 4: And here what you had was the situation that Trump asserted,

1608
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 4: really for the first time in modern history, that the

1609
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 4: president had the authority somewhere in the various laws that

1610
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 4: have been passed if you stitch them all together, but

1611
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 4: particularly relying on this something called the International Emergency Economic

1612
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 4: Powers Act will just passed back in the seventies that

1613
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 4: that somehow gave him the implicit power to unilaterally and

1614
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 4: post tariffs without going to Congress. And if you remember

1615
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 4: from high school civics, you know, a tariff is generally

1616
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,959
Speaker 4: considered to be a tax, and under our system, taxes

1617
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 4: really are to be imposed out of the legislature. How

1618
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 4: it's spending and taxing really comes from the legislature. That's

1619
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 4: how it's always been. The president makes proposals in his

1620
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 4: budget for taxing and spending and proposes bills. But the

1621
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 4: idea that he can bypass Congress and impose them without

1622
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 4: that is a major question. It's a classic question, and

1623
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 4: it's one that they thought that were the importance of it,

1624
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 4: what beyond just the facts of this case, and had

1625
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 4: to be reviewed here. And as you can see that

1626
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 4: the majority of the court took the more traditionalist constitutional view.

1627
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 4: They said that, look, this International Emergency Economic Powers Act

1628
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 4: talks about the ability of the president to regulate trade.

1629
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 4: It doesn't explicitly give him the power to impose any

1630
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 4: kind of taxation or tariffs. That's what they call cost

1631
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 4: You know, the construction of the interpretation of the statute.

1632
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 4: If you follow the basic laws of construction of statutes

1633
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 4: under the Ohio system or the US system, Sorry, it

1634
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 4: just doesn't work. So they did give Trump a very

1635
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 4: big rebuke, and it looks as though there's more rebukes coming,

1636
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 4: particularly you know, so you look at the oral arguments,

1637
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 4: you can kind of tell where some of the justices

1638
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 4: are going. Particularly, I think they're going to take a

1639
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 4: similar tact on his unilateral effort to end birthright citizenship.

1640
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,799
Speaker 4: So I think there are more cases like this coming

1641
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:37,440
Speaker 4: the Trump administration.

1642
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's going to if that's true, it's going to

1643
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 2: be a rough well three years left now in his term.

1644
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 2: He did come back, in Trump fashion, fire back and

1645
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: say they got it wrong. We're going to do this,

1646
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: and you know, without getting too wonky, because there's different

1647
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: sections of this Trade Act and your eyes will glaze over,

1648
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: but nonetheless he's going to kick this in, which is

1649
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 2: what a fifteen percent taff across the under that section

1650
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: because part of it that they did not strite down

1651
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: authorizes tariffs to address what they call large and serious

1652
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 2: balance of payment deficits, meaning there's another work around here.

1653
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: The only limitation this expires one hundred and fifty days

1654
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: unless Congress votes to extend. And the Congress really doesn't

1655
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: look like they're doing much these days on anything, let

1656
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: alone tariffs, and so what's the consocial problems with that maneuver?

1657
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: Or he would declare a new emergency that the clock,

1658
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 2: he'd be on the clock for one hundred and fifty

1659
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: days and just go back and declare another emergency.

1660
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 4: He could do that, could he, Well, we don't think so,

1661
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 4: you know, based on my reading, right, he's gone to

1662
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 4: another law now, something called the Trade Act in nineteen

1663
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 4: seventy two. There's something called section two oh three that

1664
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 4: does seem to give him some temporary emergency tariff powers

1665
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 4: up to fifteen percent, which is which is interesting because

1666
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 4: the average tariff under what he had done before, because

1667
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 4: it varied by industry, was about sixteen point three. So

1668
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 4: he gets them back to roughly where he was. But

1669
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 4: as I read it, and as I think most people

1670
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 4: interpret that Act, it is only an emergency power, and

1671
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 4: it does expire at one hundred and fifty days. I

1672
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 4: don't know that he can declare another emergency. I think

1673
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 4: if he tried to to get another one hundred and

1674
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 4: fifty days on the clock, I think the court would

1675
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 4: strike that down. I think the language there is pretty

1676
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 4: clear he's only got one hundred and fifty days. And

1677
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 4: then it has to go to Congress, and I think

1678
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 4: asking a bunch of congress menticularly congressional Republicans and narrowly

1679
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 4: held House with midterm elections coming to approve the tariffs

1680
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 4: is going to be pretty tough, because, you know, the

1681
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 4: Wall Street journals reported all along that you know, the

1682
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 4: tariffs shoa not take the economy the way a lot

1683
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 4: of people thought it would, but it has impacted American consumers.

1684
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 4: Roughly ninety percent of the costs of the tariffs have

1685
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 4: been born by consumers exactly. You know, businesses are just

1686
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 4: passing them along. So you know that that is going

1687
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 4: to be a very politically fraught and difficult thing. And

1688
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 4: another thing I think it's kind of worth considering here,

1689
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 4: and the court doesn't delve into to it explicitly, but

1690
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 4: I think very much in everyone's mind is and it

1691
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 4: also goes to this trade Act. For the first time

1692
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 4: in my lifetime or maybe longer, Trump is a president

1693
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 4: who isn't just using tariffs to correct trade and balances

1694
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 4: and deal with economic issues. Trump has been using tariffs

1695
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 4: to talk about foreign policy issues, to threaten regime change

1696
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 4: in certain countries. He's been using tariffs for reasons that

1697
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 4: they're non economic and to try to force behaviors otherwise.

1698
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 4: That is kind of outside of our tradition. Other countries

1699
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 4: have done it for a long time. It used to

1700
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 4: be very common, you know, one hundred and fifty two

1701
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 4: hundred years ago, they called it mercantilism, where you would

1702
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 4: use your economic might get political things right. And I

1703
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 4: think that is another thing here because this Trade Act

1704
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 4: explicitly talks about trade and balances only, and Trump is

1705
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 4: looking to use tariffs in a much broad way it has,

1706
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 4: so I think that could also get him in some

1707
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 4: trouble with the court if that goes back to be

1708
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 4: litigated again.

1709
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 2: Attorney Steve Good on the Scotsland Show seven hundred W

1710
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: l W Trumps tariff struck out on Friday. The big

1711
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: question is as a constitution element to this obviously and

1712
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 2: what comes next, But the other forecast is what about prices.

1713
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: I think that's our biggest concern. You know, we, as

1714
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,839
Speaker 2: you rightly pointed out, we pay for all this stuff.

1715
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: Could prices wind up getting worse if he moves forward

1716
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: with a fifteen percent across the board global tariff because

1717
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 2: he sees it as a workaround in retribution for what

1718
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is ruled.

1719
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, look, we already know the market's

1720
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 4: reaction to this is bad. I mean I looked at

1721
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 4: you know, the market opened about the Dow open about

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Speaker 4: four hundred and fifty points down because there's just uncertain

1723
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 4: to hear, as you said, it was one hundred and

1724
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 4: seventy some billion dollars worth of tariffs that have been

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01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 4: collected and they have not been that money has not

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01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 4: been spent. So there's already litigations, you know, by companies

1727
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 4: trying to get their share back. It's uncertain as to

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Speaker 4: whether we finds will be issued. We also know from

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01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 4: his public statement, and I think part of Trump's plan

1730
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 4: this year was to have a sort of what he

1731
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 4: was calling a tariff dividend where he was going to

1732
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 4: send individual taxpayers two thousand dollars checks, kind of which

1733
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 4: is reminiscent of some of the COVID bonuses also that

1734
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 4: election year. Yeah, I mean it's the same deal, and

1735
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 4: I don't know how that would have gone over. I mean,

1736
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 4: I think that looks very cynical and bad. So I

1737
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 4: think there's going to be a scramble to hang on

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01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 4: to that one hundred and seventy five billion. If I

1739
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 4: were a distributor or an importer, I would not be

1740
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 4: expecting any of these any refunds anytime soon. I would

1741
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 4: expect the Trump Justice Department to really put up a

1742
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 4: pretty robust fight there. But in terms of pricing, though

1743
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 4: a lot of people we talk about milk and eggs

1744
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 4: and the mainfix, but it's really very tricky. Sometimes it's

1745
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 4: just components, electronic items and things the factor into otherwise

1746
01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 4: American made goods. You know, it really has results in

1747
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 4: a very steady and slow increase of just of just

1748
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 4: physical goods and materials. Overall, everything just feels more expensive.

1749
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 4: But the job market stayed relatively good, the trade in

1750
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 4: ballots has gone down somewhat. It's where it means to

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01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 4: be seen though in my mind whether or not the

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01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 4: tariffs have really succeeded in bringing him out of these

1753
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 4: political goals that the Trump administration has, and I think

1754
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 4: again that's what's something that's going to bite him in

1755
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 4: the next wave of litigation. But it is very clear

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01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 4: now that there's a block of six justices in the

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01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 4: Supreme Court who are going to be taking a very

1758
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 4: more traditionalist view and say, look, if the if the

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Speaker 4: if the our laws don't specifically give Trump the power,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's going back to birthright citizenship and

1761
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 4: some of these other issues. If it's not specifically laid out,

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01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 4: then we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna clip his legs

1763
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 4: a bit here and and I think that's.

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Speaker 6: Going to be what happens.

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Speaker 4: And what what was remarkable to me was that Trump

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01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 4: accepted it too. I mean, he grumbled and yelled, but

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01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 4: this was one of the first times that Trump and

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01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 4: again he did find another law and he's trying to

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Speaker 4: work around it, but he did accept the decision, which

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Speaker 4: I thought was a good day for the country. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and no.

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Speaker 2: He says incorrect and basically on true social which you

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01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 2: know how many people are looking at. But then again,

1774
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: the true social gets reported and reposted all over different platforms,

1775
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 2: and he says that, you know, it's corruption inside the

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01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: Supreme Court, which undermines the whole process. He said, the

1777
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: ruling is incorrect. You say, they'll find work around. So

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Speaker 2: from a constitutional standpoint, Steve Gooden, when a president of

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01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: public rejects the legitimacy of Supreme Court ruling in this case,

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Speaker 2: what guardrails exist to enforce compliance?

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Speaker 4: Well, and there aren't any. And I think that's the

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01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 4: really unfortunate thing about the way Trump has particularly pursued

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Speaker 4: his second term. And that's one of the things that

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01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 4: you know that again not to sound like a high

1785
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 4: falutant lawyer, but it really is bad for the system

1786
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 4: when the president undermines the system, and you know, I

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01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 4: think it would have been you know, much more you know,

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01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 4: Reagan esque or even I got I mean Bill Clinton,

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01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 4: even when he got some very tough rulings about the

1790
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 4: Monica Lewinsky situation and whether he could face liability for

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01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 4: that while in office. I mean, they were respectful. I mean,

1792
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 4: you can disagree with the decision and be respectful. And

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01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 4: this really, actually Franklin kind of began under Obama when

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01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 4: the Citizens United decision came down and he sort of

1795
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 4: rebuked the Supreme Court of the State of the Union address.

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01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 4: A lot of folks forget that, but that was really

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01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,839
Speaker 4: one of the first times I need that a considing

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01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 4: president instead of just disagreeing, said hey, you're really tearing

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01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 4: up the country. And I thought that was Even though

1800
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 4: Citizens United, I think it's certainly a decision that we

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01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 4: argue about whether it was the right thing. That kind

1802
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 4: of rhetoric between the President of the Supreme Court I

1803
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 4: don't think is good. I mean, disagree with them or not.

1804
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 4: You know, they are the highest court in the land,

1805
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 4: and if you don't like it, you bring new cases,

1806
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 4: you try to relitigate, try to change the underlying laws.

1807
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 4: We have ways in our system. We are a country

1808
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 4: of laws, and in terms of corruption at the court,

1809
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think there's any real indication of that.

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01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 4: I mean, this was not a surprise to anybody who

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01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 4: has set through cost the first year of constitutional law

1812
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 4: in law school. I mean, it's always been a you know,

1813
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 4: there's two guiding principles here. One is taxation comes out

1814
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 4: of the legislature. And number two, if the president is

1815
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,799
Speaker 4: not explicitly given the power in the law, he doesn't

1816
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 4: have it. And we've had president since Nixon who have

1817
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 4: tried to kind of flex and be creative in the

1818
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 4: gray areas to try to expand executive power. But this

1819
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 4: is one where if this were the if this is

1820
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 4: if Trump is right, then we're going to have presidents

1821
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 4: going forward who are just going to be able to

1822
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 4: oppose their own view in terms of economic trade policy

1823
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 4: without any kind of guardrails. And that's really outside of

1824
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 4: our system. And when it comes to corruption. The thing

1825
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 4: that kind of bothers me here and not just me,

1826
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 4: but a lot of other observers is when you have

1827
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 4: a one stop shop in the executive for trade policy

1828
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 4: and tariffs, that's where the real opportunity for corruption to

1829
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 4: get right. That's where if you don't have to go

1830
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 4: to four hundred and thirty five members of Congress eternal

1831
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 4: lobby for the exceptions and make your case, if you

1832
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 4: just have to go to the Trump staff, that's a

1833
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 4: real problem.

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01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 3: Well that's how we got to where we are now.

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Speaker 2: You know, Article one of the Constitution gives Congress the

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01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: power to lay and collect tariffs. That's what the curcuent

1837
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: course says, like, no, this is not in the executive branch.

1838
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 2: This is in the legislative branch. Let Congress figure this out.

1839
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 2: But we're at a point now where the president was

1840
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: unilaterally imposing trillions of dollars in tariffs, and the ruling

1841
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: which happened on Friday try to restore that constitutional balance.

1842
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 2: But we were at this point.

1843
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 3: Now.

1844
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: The question is how we got there, and you know,

1845
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: you pointed out Obama and how we last back and

1846
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: what happens is, you know, now you have Trump taking

1847
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 2: that to an extreme, and if it's a Democrat or

1848
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 2: Republican who wins in three years, they'll probably take it

1849
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: to the extreme again. I mean, you know, if we're

1850
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 2: at a point now where finally the Supreme Court is

1851
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: rulling against it, saying no, you've got to use Congress.

1852
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 2: Congress hasn't done anything since Trump was born in that's

1853
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 2: the problem right now.

1854
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 6: I think that's right.

1855
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 4: I think one of the problems that we have as

1856
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 4: a country right now is that we're living in this

1857
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 4: kind of age of extremes with opinion and you know,

1858
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 4: swings all the.

1859
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 6: Way back with every uh election.

1860
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 4: Administration, right I mean, you know, we have Biden essentially

1861
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 4: open borders of Biden. Now with with with Trump, we

1862
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 4: have not you know, not just a closed border, but

1863
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 4: these really aggressive ice actions in our cities. You know,

1864
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 4: with Biden, you know, the Democratic Party has become almost

1865
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 4: totally free traders. Obviously we had trade issues to work on.

1866
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 4: Now you know, Trump is trying to become almost protectionists.

1867
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 4: And our you know, our footprint in the world is

1868
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 4: so large, both economically, politically and otherwise. You know, the

1869
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 4: idea that we keep swinging this way is causing us

1870
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 4: to lose a lot of respect on the world stage.

1871
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 4: We don't look like that, you know, the Shining City

1872
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 4: on the Hill anymore that Reagan talked about. It just

1873
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 4: looks like whoever's in power, you're going to have you're

1874
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 4: gonna have, you know, these giant swings and policy.

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01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 7: Uh.

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01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 4: And then particularly when it comes to trade issues and

1877
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 4: things that impact our homes. You know what we pay here,

1878
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a good thing.

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01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 6: Uh.

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01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 4: And I do wish that they've taken a more measured

1881
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: approach here. There's no question in my mind that there

1882
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 4: needed to be some targeted tariffs to address trade and balances,

1883
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 4: particularly with countries like China that were taking advantage of

1884
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 4: our kind of blind allegiance to some of these free

1885
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 4: trade principles. But going this far in this sort of

1886
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 4: they almost seem random, they seem punitive, and they are

1887
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 4: clearly were being used for political goals, both domestic and international.

1888
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 4: You know, that's just not what what our system is

1889
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 4: set up.

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01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know the idea of a say, we love

1891
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: it all these taxes, tariffs so which we're paying for

1892
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 2: the consumer state ninety percent of them, and now we're

1893
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 2: going to take this money that the one hundred and

1894
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 2: seventy five billion collected in tariff revenue and give it

1895
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 2: back to the people. Then what we're just taking money

1896
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 2: from one hand and transwer to the other. Why are

1897
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 2: we suffering through all this pain would be the quizzing,

1898
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: oh wait a minute, I mean, oh, I get two

1899
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars back. Well, so why do we do this

1900
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 2: in the first place? Would be a legitimate question here.

1901
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 2: And you know, you look at the federal deficit, which

1902
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 2: of course initially we got to do something about the deficit.

1903
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 3: We're not doing anything about that. It's getting worse.

1904
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,759
Speaker 2: And this one hundred and seventy five billion represents about

1905
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 2: ten percent of the debt that we owe. You know,

1906
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 2: giving that, I could see taking the money and put

1907
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 2: it towards the bottom line and getting that down. But

1908
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 2: you know it's again, it's only ten percent of what

1909
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 2: we owe. And that's the scary part. He's Steve Gooden,

1910
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 2: Attorney at law, constitutional expert. But I appreciate the inside.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again for come on.

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Speaker 9: Hey any jubscot, take care you care.

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Speaker 2: iHeart media in seven hundred WW salute Cincinnati's own Procter

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Speaker 2: us to recognize on the air. Text there now to

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Speaker 2: us at fifty one eight eighty one and be listening.

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Speaker 8: Run back Devin Atter WLW REDS Baseball is here.

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Speaker 2: You listen this weekend It sounded like summer, despite the

1919
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 2: snow and cold temps causing problems, commute problems today and

1920
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 2: of course what's going to New York City? Worse out

1921
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: east in Arizona and to a degree, Florida, much much sunnier,

1922
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,480
Speaker 2: much much nicer. Reds kickoff Cactus League play on Saturday.

1923
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 2: I have played two games another one two and less

1924
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: than four weeks of spring training. I believe cord to

1925
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 2: my math is left before the team packs them heads

1926
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 2: east when the games count. With a look ahead, you know,

1927
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 2: maybe a recap of the weekend, but also this week

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Speaker 2: and what to expect the first week of for our

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Speaker 2: Red Legs is Jeff Carr with Lockdown Reds, the only

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Speaker 2: daily Reds podcast year round.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, welcome back.

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Speaker 6: How you been Tony. It's great to be back.

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Speaker 7: I know that we had snow, got snow, backed, lost snow,

1934
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 7: all the snow snow.

1935
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 6: It's baseball time. It melts the snow.

1936
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was listening a little bit going. Man, It

1937
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 2: just it feels like summer already, despite its weird. I'm

1938
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 2: looking out the window and it's snowing outside, and yet

1939
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 2: the Reds are on, so everything looks set now. Health

1940
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 2: is always the asterisk for any team of course, in

1941
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 2: any sport for that matter. So we don't know, but

1942
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to jump right in with player number one.

1943
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: That'd be Eli de la Cruz. Okay, he said, Hey, listen,

1944
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 2: you know what, I've got to really challenge myself this year.

1945
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 2: I got to really lean into being the best version

1946
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 2: of myself. I can be two time All Star. It's

1947
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 2: still not good enough for him. Battle through a quad injury,

1948
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 2: some personal issues in the season with his sister, and

1949
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 2: he came out of the blocks looking pretty strong. How

1950
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 2: does he look so far in goodyear? I know he's

1951
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 2: reported back and they said, I guess he's in much

1952
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 2: better shape than he's ever been.

1953
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was one of the leading candidates between him

1954
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 7: and South Stewart of best shape of their life because

1955
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 7: he tacked on fifteen pounds of muscle at least, is

1956
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 7: what he said. And honestly, if you look at his biceps,

1957
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 7: which he hasn't worn sleeves all spring training, you really

1958
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 7: wouldn't dispute it because it looks like he could lift

1959
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 7: a car right now. He looks really strong and his

1960
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 7: first couple of the bats on Sunday afternoon really hit

1961
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 7: the ball well to the opposite field, had some good

1962
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 7: line drives. We're talking like doubles power, not necessarily the

1963
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,640
Speaker 7: crazy like we'll hit the ball into the river type swings.

1964
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 7: But he doesn't need to do that. He doesn't have

1965
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 7: to be the power in this lineup. He can go

1966
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 7: back to being the chaos in this lineup, and we

1967
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 7: saw exactly what he needs to be on Sunday.

1968
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 4: It's really early in spring training, you know, obviously.

1969
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 7: To get excited about anything, but he looked like he

1970
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 7: was good and ready to go.

1971
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 2: You mentioned Sale Sewart at first base for the Reds

1972
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 2: looked it was just it was a pleasure to watch

1973
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: last year and how he delivered in the playoffs. He's

1974
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 2: only what twenty two years old, hen the kid can

1975
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 2: hit the ball, for sure, but coming back into training

1976
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 2: camp now looking like a different version, probably the most

1977
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 2: transformed player we've seen in a while.

1978
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 7: I am very impressed with him because he shows up

1979
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 7: the camp having lost twenty six pounds And I know

1980
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 7: we talked a little bit about that back at Redsveest,

1981
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 7: but he lost twenty six pounds over the offseason, where

1982
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 7: you think, okay, guy got a cup of coffee. He

1983
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,600
Speaker 7: played for a month in major leagues, Let's see what

1984
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 7: he really is. And he's like, no, I'm going to

1985
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 7: go ahead and make an adjustment already to my game.

1986
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 7: I'm going to already take that next step physically. And

1987
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 7: I think that that just speaks volumes because it's easy

1988
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 7: for a guy to come in and say what he

1989
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 7: wants to do when you show it that way that early,

1990
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 7: where you barely have any playing time under you. As

1991
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,799
Speaker 7: far as the major leagues are concerned, I'm very impressed

1992
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 7: by that. We'll see him at multiple positions, and he

1993
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 7: started a Saturday's game at second base. I would expect

1994
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 7: we see him more at first base, but he has

1995
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 7: the ability to play some second base, and so they

1996
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 7: want to make sure that.

1997
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 6: They use that.

1998
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 7: But he'll definitely be a super valuable piece to this season.

1999
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you drop twenty six pounds of maybe fat,

2000
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 2: you could be a better second baseman for sure, because

2001
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: a knock on him was, you know, footspeed, He's just

2002
01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 2: not quick.

2003
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 7: That's exactly what I needed to do. I need to

2004
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 7: drop twenty six pounds before I play second GA. Yes,

2005
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 7: it is sure, but no, no, And the thing for

2006
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 7: me too, slowly is like, that's twenty six pounds. We

2007
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 7: saw a lot of Spencer's year how quickly he could

2008
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 7: move to the ball at first base last season, and

2009
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 7: that was the strength of his Yeah, where scooping was

2010
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 7: kind of the hole in his game defensively if there

2011
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:24,759
Speaker 7: was a hole. Obviously he was a Goal GLAF finalist.

2012
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 7: But I think that south Stewart was a better scooper

2013
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 7: and if he could be quicker to the ball, have

2014
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 7: better reactions, that will just upgrade his defense for the

2015
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 7: Reds there first base. And I think that losing twenty

2016
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 7: six pounds certainly helps that.

2017
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2018
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now another guy out there too, speaking of first base,

2019
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Lowe.

2020
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,959
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think that that was a really sneaky

2021
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 7: move because there were some folks that were linking him

2022
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 7: to the Reds in the offseason as to be a

2023
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 7: smart move. Not necessarily that you know, there was a

2024
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 7: long well there won't they type rumor situation, but a

2025
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 7: lot of folks saying that if the Reds were to

2026
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,440
Speaker 7: add Nathaniel so their lineup, that would kind of accomplish

2027
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 7: some of the things that they want. He has had

2028
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 7: a good career, albeit a down twenty twenty five season,

2029
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 7: but where we talked a lot about JJ Blede in

2030
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 7: the fact that he had a good twenty twenty four

2031
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 7: but kind of a questionable every other year. Nathaniel Lowe

2032
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 7: is the exact opposite left handed first baseman who has

2033
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 7: been a really solid hitter. At least according to the

2034
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 7: stat ops plus, he's sixteen percent above league average for

2035
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 7: his career, and so that's a much larger sample size

2036
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 7: being that he's played seven seasons in the major leagues

2037
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 7: for multiple different teams.

2038
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 6: So I'm looking forward to what he can bring to

2039
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 6: this lineup.

2040
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 7: I think that there's a chance that he's more of

2041
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 7: a bench bat, but the fact that you're getting that

2042
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 7: sort of a dude seven year vet on your bench

2043
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 7: where you probably would have had Christian Incarnacion Strand instead,

2044
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 7: it's a big upgrade.

2045
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 2: Well, you put him at first base, you know mentioned

2046
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 2: Sale Stewart and think something happens there. You got a

2047
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 2: little depth anyway, which brings us to the the the

2048
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 2: bench itself. Santiago Espinal's no oner red, so you don't

2049
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 2: have that all around guy anymore. But it seems like

2050
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 2: at each position you got a little more depth.

2051
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's definitely a little bit more speciality rather than

2052
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 7: flexibility to the bench because you've got a couple of

2053
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 7: outfielders and Dane Myers, and then somebody's going to win

2054
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 7: the battle between JJ Bleday and Will Benson, who both

2055
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 7: looked good in the first weekend of the season. Will

2056
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:24,520
Speaker 7: Benson uncorking a massive homer, JJ Bleday hitting two absolute

2057
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 7: streamers of extra base hits to the outfield. I think

2058
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 7: that I am going to watch that very closely. But

2059
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 7: both of them have minor league options. Whoever loses out

2060
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 7: will just go to Louisville and will still be depth

2061
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 7: for the Reds as the season goes along.

2062
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 6: And then you're probably looking at, uh.

2063
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 7: Well, you got Jose Travino on the bench and with

2064
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 7: nathanielo that'll be your four spots.

2065
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know you've got that option there

2066
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 2: and moving guys around, because you also have to talk

2067
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 2: about Matt McClain sale Stewart. Okay, if he's at second base,

2068
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 2: what does that mean for Matt Matt McLain isn't doing

2069
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 2: with Matt McClain's posted Now. Grant had very very small

2070
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 2: sample size, but he came out of the blocks sprinting

2071
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 2: this past weekend.

2072
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 7: Lots of hard hit contact, it went the other way

2073
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 7: into the opposite outfield boat or all three times that

2074
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 7: he put the ball into play, one of them wasn't out.

2075
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 7: But he was a fantastic sight to see because we

2076
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 7: know what happened last year where there was just a

2077
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 7: lot of disappointment at the play and if you can

2078
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 7: at least show this early on, and you know, everybody

2079
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 7: always says, well, you got to take this with the

2080
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 7: grain of salt, that with the grain of salt in

2081
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 7: spring in spring training, and while the Mariners weren't throwing

2082
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 7: out any pitcher that's going to make their opening day roster,

2083
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 7: that just ratchets up the pressure a little bit more

2084
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 7: to actually get the thing done. And the Red lineup

2085
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 7: as a whole early on and on a Sunday's.

2086
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 6: Game got the thing done.

2087
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 7: So I was happy to see that from McClain because

2088
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 7: you're right, like he is a kind of lynch pin

2089
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 7: in this team where if he is all right and

2090
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 7: ready to go, everything else makes sense. If he's not,

2091
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 7: then you got to move sal over. You gotta playing

2092
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 7: a lot more. You got to play key Brian Hayes

2093
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 7: a lot more things like that it's going to be

2094
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 7: a very important position for the Reds if Matt McClain

2095
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 7: can get back to the way he was in twenty

2096
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 7: twenty three.

2097
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 2: And you would think he would, I mean, because last year,

2098
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, he had that shoulder injury and it seemed

2099
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 2: like he struggled with that a lot, and then he

2100
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 2: hit that funk where he couldn't hit the ball, and

2101
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 2: you wonder how much that is attributed to what's going

2102
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 2: on between his ears. It's a reset. It's a hard

2103
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 2: reset for him. And so is there any indication to

2104
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 2: think he won't get back to his twenty twenty three form.

2105
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:33,839
Speaker 6: None whatsoever.

2106
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 7: I mean, he he had a great interview the other

2107
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 7: day with Charlie Goldsmith where he was talking about the

2108
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 7: fact that, you know, one of the biggest problems he

2109
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 7: ran into last season. Everybody keeps talking about the shoulder.

2110
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 7: He's like, mentally, he's like most guys, you know, we

2111
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 7: like to go out there, we like to compete to win.

2112
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 7: We want to focus on what we can do to

2113
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 7: help our team winning. But when you're in such a funk,

2114
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 7: you fall into this mechanical mindset where you're like, Okay,

2115
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 7: I gotta worry about this. I worry about that, and

2116
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 7: when you're doing that at you're not thinking about how

2117
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 7: you can help your team wins. As selfish as that

2118
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 7: might sound, that's that's kind of the mindsets for ballplayers

2119
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 7: is what they fall into. And he says, I was

2120
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 7: far into the mechanical side of things on my mind

2121
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 7: much too much last season. He's like, I want to

2122
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 7: get back to winning. I want to get back to

2123
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 7: doing whatever I can to help this team get to

2124
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 7: a division title. And I feel really good about being

2125
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 7: in that spot.

2126
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 2: Okay, he is Jeff Carr with Lockdown Reds Only Daily

2127
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 2: Reds podcast, chopping up this past weekend as Ress Baseball

2128
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 2: kicks off at Goodyear and Cactus League action underway.

2129
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 3: Reds a oh in two.

2130
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: But the score really doesn't matter, obviously, because you're trying

2131
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 2: to get all these parts together and so far it

2132
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 2: seems really really exciting with the with the Suarez acquisition,

2133
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 2: for sure. Let's talk about the pitching. We talked about offense.

2134
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the starting pitching, which has been a

2135
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 2: strong point for these Red Legs. So you got a

2136
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 2: big question, I guess it'd be in the number five

2137
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 2: starter spot. It's kind of like, you know, you look

2138
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 2: at the hitters, Yeah, well but the all but the

2139
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 2: two looks like it's pretty sad for the top half

2140
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 2: of the lineup.

2141
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 3: How's how's this rotation shaking out?

2142
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 7: I love this fifth rotation battle slowly because it's not

2143
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 7: it's not a old boy you know, we're used to

2144
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 7: rotation battles in years past of okay, yeah, Joe A

2145
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 7: and you know, b whoever goes out there and throws

2146
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 7: you win. This is the kind of decision that you

2147
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 7: make when you look in the garage and you're like,

2148
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 7: I got a Lamborghini and I got a Ferrari. Which

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Speaker 7: one we've taken out to that that's how this battle feels.

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Speaker 7: And we saw the two leading candidates in the battle

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Speaker 7: pitch on Saturday got two innings out of both Chase

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Speaker 7: Burns and Reet Lauder. And while one game isn't gonna

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Speaker 7: make you think, you know, oh, this guy definitely had

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Speaker 7: a has a leg up in the competition. It was

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Speaker 7: great to see both those guys pitch back to back

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Speaker 7: and there was immediately a question surround surrounding the Reds

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Speaker 7: possibility of going to a six man rotation. Could they

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Speaker 7: break camp with both guys in the starting rope, and

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Speaker 7: there's actually been some talk. Derek Johnson had revealed that

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Speaker 7: during the offseason he and Tito talked about that briefly.

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Speaker 7: I will note that, as far as I can tell,

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Speaker 7: having watched it happen over the last five to ten years,

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Speaker 7: it's not the most successful thing. You see less of

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Speaker 7: your top starting pitchers, which albeit when you're talking about

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Speaker 7: some of the guys we got on our roster, where

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Speaker 7: you're like you kind of would like to give them

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Speaker 7: an extra day's rest, maybe that would work better for

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Speaker 7: the Reds as opposed to teams with more veteran focused

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Speaker 7: pitching stats. But I think that ultimately this spot's going

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Speaker 7: to come down to either Chase Burns or Reht Louder.

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Speaker 7: We've heard some about Brandon Williamson, We've heard some about

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Speaker 7: Julian Agyar, but I think that those guys, there's a

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Speaker 7: little bit of a gap between Chase Burns, Ret Louder

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Speaker 7: and those two guys. And I also think that Chase

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Speaker 7: Burns is the favorite in this I would be I

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Speaker 7: wouldn't be shocked, but I would be a little bit

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Speaker 7: surprised if Opening Day were to happen and somebody not

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Speaker 7: named Chase Burns would be there for.

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Speaker 2: The bullpen comes in pretty strong, as strong and the

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Speaker 2: strongest as they've been in recent memory for sure, or

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Speaker 2: maybe long memory. And if you know, you decide that

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Speaker 2: maybe we're not going to go with six starters at

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Speaker 2: that strengths and even more of the bullpen is going

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Speaker 2: to be a huge asset again the season.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, they spend a lot of money and a lot

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Speaker 7: of time upgrading this bullpen. And it's not just about

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Speaker 7: you know, guys who have done it before, because I'm

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Speaker 7: one of the first people that will tell you relief

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Speaker 7: pitching is a sickle thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I always point.

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Speaker 7: To Eric gangnie guy who set the record for most

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Speaker 7: consecutive saves and then he stole off the table and

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Speaker 7: nobody heard from him ever. Again, you can be like

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Speaker 7: amazing one year and you could just absolutely fall off

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Speaker 7: a cliff the next year. So it's not just about

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Speaker 7: past productions, about like weapons and stuff and what guys

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Speaker 7: have to throw. And I looked first and foremost at

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Speaker 7: Pierce Johnson and the curve ball that most guys in

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Speaker 7: the Reds bullpen haven't had in a long time. Like

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Speaker 7: we're usually talking about sinker spider type pitchers or guys

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Speaker 7: with like electric fastballs, the touch, triple digits. Pierce Jackson's

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Speaker 7: got a hook that breaks off the table, and hitters

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Speaker 7: just aren't going to be ready for that sort of

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Speaker 7: a change of pace. And I really feel like this

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Speaker 7: bullpen has so many weapons for Terry frankcon to the

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Speaker 7: call upon this year that they did a great job

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Speaker 7: of bringing in these veterans to make this a strength.

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Speaker 7: And we saw on Sunday, and there might be some

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Speaker 7: people that are like, well, Sunday, the bullpen really didn't

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Speaker 7: look all that good. And and some of those names

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Speaker 7: I heard last year. That's the reason why the Reds

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Speaker 7: focused so much time on this group, where I might

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Speaker 7: have thought they could have saved that money and spent

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Speaker 7: it more on, you know, maybe getting a college forb

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Speaker 7: or something like that. I think we're seeing, at least

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Speaker 7: early on in spring training that it's a good thing

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Speaker 7: that the Reds have now pushed Zach, Maxwell, Connor, Phelips,

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Speaker 7: and Luis May some more of a battle type position

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Speaker 7: rather than guaranteed spots in this bullpen.

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Speaker 2: One other thing you're going to notice this year is

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Speaker 2: the increase use of abs. The automatic automated ball strikes,

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Speaker 2: and there was a lot, a lot of that being

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Speaker 2: used in the first two games of the season, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be maybe we saved that

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Speaker 2: for a later topic here and see how it plays

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Speaker 2: out over it the next week or so.

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Speaker 3: So that was rather interesting.

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Speaker 2: And now the challenge is slowing the game now that

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Speaker 2: we've sped up to some degree. Reds are off today

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Speaker 2: and then pick it up tomorrow at three oh five

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Speaker 2: against the Royals at Goodyear Ballpark. We'll have that for

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Speaker 2: you over on your sister station, thirteen sixty. That's gonna

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Speaker 2: be on thirteen sixty tomorrow. I believe it's Andrew Abbott tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I saw that.

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Speaker 7: Because we haven't seen any of the top guys, we're

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Speaker 7: going to start seeing Abbot, Green, Midolo, those guys pitching

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Speaker 7: over here, gotcha my next week because we got this

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Speaker 7: weird off day today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a Monday off day already too. Hey,

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Speaker 2: that's all right, you know, let's not let's not strain

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Speaker 2: ourselves too much here.

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Speaker 3: Let's take it easy. To be long four weeks, come on,

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01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 3: let's just take it easy. Take it easy.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Carr over at Lockdown Reds Only Daily Red Podcast

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Speaker 2: brother appreciates.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk again soon.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, appreciate it. Just funny, go right, all right, with

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