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Speaker 1: A lot going on on Wednesdays. And welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC Morning Show from Americans for Prosperity.

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Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil. Great heaving you on today as always.

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Speaker 2: Donovan, Brian, always good to be with you on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Morning, say staying warm.

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Speaker 2: I hope, oh trying.

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Speaker 3: It's not easy though.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I like vd gramis why I

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Speaker 1: mean hope he's an next governor, not only because he's

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Speaker 1: got great ideas across the board. One of them he

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Speaker 1: embraces the idea of education choice. And I know we've

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Speaker 1: made steps and inroads in the state of Ohio to

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Speaker 1: bring us some choice. Whether it's enough or not remains

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Speaker 1: to be seen. And you are pushing this, the Americans

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Speaker 1: for Prosperity, This this universal educational choice, a new look

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Speaker 1: at funding education. What's this new report you release, what's

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Speaker 1: a breakdown? And uh, ultimately we'll get to what's our

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Speaker 1: what's our action plan? Donovan O'Neil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's National School Choice Week every year about

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Speaker 2: this time. I'm across the country, folks, advocates for school

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Speaker 2: choice celebrate National School Choice Week. It's an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: sort of recognize or reflect those wins so America's prosperity.

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Speaker 2: We released a report, the Universal Education Our Universal Educational

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Speaker 2: Choice basically breaks down a map of states by fully

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Speaker 2: funded choice programs, largely funded, partially funded, and I'm proud

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Speaker 2: a fully funded school choice program. What that means, Brian,

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Speaker 2: for your listeners, benefit is we don't cap the amount

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Speaker 2: of ED choice vouchers. So if you're you know, a

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Speaker 2: single mama three and you're looking at your kids report

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Speaker 2: card and you're saying, gosh, the school they are in

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Speaker 2: today just isn't working for them, you have the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to go out there, get an ED choice voucher and

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Speaker 2: get your kid into a school that best meets their needs.

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Speaker 2: It's powerful stuff, and we're proud during School Choice Week

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Speaker 2: to be highlighting some of the accomplishments we've made here

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the idea of choice, I embraced it,

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Speaker 1: and of course the teacher didn't need react is no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you're going to run the public schools. We're allah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: what don't I don't understand their arguments, and I don't

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Speaker 1: the failure of the of the public schools. When you

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Speaker 1: How is it possible that a kid that's reached the

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Speaker 1: How is that even possible by the time they reach

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Speaker 1: that age. But sometimes it's not necessarily, you know, the

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Speaker 1: curriculum that's being taught, it's the methodology. Some children just

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Speaker 1: But if a different teaching methodology was used, that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be one size fits all. That kid could excel. Who

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want that option, like you like choosing a monassory

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, and that sets off that's at the heart

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Speaker 2: saying that that this is only zero sum game and

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Speaker 2: there's only so much pie to go around. But when

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Speaker 2: folks who are pushing for these reforms, pushing for families

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Speaker 2: It's actually about what do we do to make sure

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Speaker 2: like you're talking about brand, unleash that opportunity. That's what

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Speaker 1: Control paradigm because they see their livelihood maybe threatened because

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Speaker 1: this let's pause from over, bring Donald O'Neil back for

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Speaker 1: Americans per prosperity and what national data shows, notwithstanding what

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Speaker 1: demand for school choice, how Ohio model is actually working,

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Speaker 1: and why new caps and restrictions hurt families not schools.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday dot on a'neil Americans for Prosperity on the phone,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about education choice and fortunately actually Ohio an

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Speaker 1: outlier in school choice, one of only eight states that

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Speaker 1: have made universal choice truly accessible to families. Now, before

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Speaker 1: quick here, can you just walk me through the voucher process.

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Speaker 1: I let's think my kids are grown, they're adults. I've

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Speaker 1: been through this my public their public school education worked

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Speaker 1: out fine. Didn't have to worry about choice because the

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Speaker 1: Loveland City Schools did a pretty decent job. But for

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Speaker 1: someone out there who is entering this this choice, you know,

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Speaker 1: voucher process work?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Choose a family that is of limited resource, because I

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Speaker 1: want to know, most notably for those who like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't afford private education. How's this going to help me?

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Speaker 1: You know, what's the story on that, Donovan? Can you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually it's actually pretty straightforward. You know. So

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Speaker 2: you'd identify a school that you're interested in going to

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Speaker 2: and they often have somebody available to help walk through

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Speaker 2: the various scholarship and funding opportunities available to families. That

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Speaker 2: money flows from the state, so it's not like you

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Speaker 2: Saint Peter's in Mansfield, Saint Peter's reports that up to

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Speaker 2: the state. State sends Saint Peter's that money, and my

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Speaker 2: kids go to school for essentially zero dollars. We pay

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Speaker 2: a little bit. These tuition is a little higher than

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Speaker 2: Catholic education was. You know, when I was a kid

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Speaker 2: to the elite. This is something that's available to everybody now,

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Speaker 2: low income, you still have to make, you have to

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Speaker 2: prove a few things to demonstrate your need. But all

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Speaker 2: in all, it's a pretty straightforward, simple process for anybody

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Speaker 2: who's interested in taking that leap and putting their kid

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Speaker 2: in a school that might better meet their needs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you in your lived experience have determined this

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Speaker 1: isn't beyond the reach, because I quite often I think

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Speaker 1: people immediately defall to well, you know, the state's going

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Speaker 1: to give me like some paltry amount. I can use

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Speaker 1: to cover maybe twenty percent or fifty percent even of

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Speaker 1: that because I'm on life's margins. But you're saying you, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: it really has addressed that component.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you couple that with these things called

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Speaker 2: them about the SGO, the scholarship granting organization tax credit.

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Speaker 2: There's a way where you can contribute a certain amount

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Speaker 2: of money to these scholarship granting organizations tied to these

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Speaker 2: to help families who have additional financial needs that make

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Speaker 2: that education more available. So there's a couple of different

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Speaker 2: right where the cost of that education would still be

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Speaker 1: Well, So I could make a tax deductible contribution to

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Speaker 2: actually it's a credit. It's a credit back to you.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't lower your tax burden. It's dollar for

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Speaker 2: thank you, But yeah, it helps significantly in terms of

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Speaker 1: Right, Donald, And now pivoting over to what people actually think.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we find actually there are a lot

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, we saw what our kids were

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Speaker 1: Well, it's quite off in the urban cores where they

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of different ways it doesn't. I

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Speaker 2: Now when they leave, when a student leaves the public

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Speaker 1: So which leads me to a discussion about property tax

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Speaker 2: Right, right. The The the other thing is, you know,

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Speaker 2: The fact the better is we're spending more money in education,

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Speaker 2: a zero sum game. We can spend dollars funding programs

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Speaker 2: It's not enough for them until they get all of it.

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Speaker 2: They want it all and they want to be able

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Speaker 1: Choice and opportunit unity, and that'll that'll force them to

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Speaker 1: regardless of what dollars roll into their coffers. Right, well, sure, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know the competition, the competition piece is

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Speaker 2: important for too long, right public schools. You know, you

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Speaker 2: don't have to change your zip code, you don't have

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Speaker 1: Donald and al any call to action today and where

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Speaker 1: can people get the Universal Education Choice Report?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well as always go to Buckeye blueprint dot com.

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Speaker 2: Buckeye blueprint dot com, sign up, take action, Join us I.

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Speaker 2: We'll have lots of opportunities throughout this year to advocate

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Speaker 2: for a schoolich waste and education opportunity. We loved Have

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Speaker 1: Love my listeners to help them out, help you help them,

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Speaker 1: it so easy. Donald and Neil always great having you

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