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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Mannon Show. I'm gonna break you

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Speaker 1: with my will of steel. We got a lot of

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Speaker 1: hot news today, gonna give you my in depth analysis

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Speaker 1: of the Penguin sale from NFSG to the Hoffman Group

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Speaker 1: from Illinois. I'm getting the criticism you said a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago it was a dead deal. It was

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Speaker 1: a dead deal. Then the Hoffman Group had to go

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Speaker 1: out and get more money. And if anything worries you

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Speaker 1: about this, that should time out to talk to Tommy Radio. Tom,

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Speaker 1: how many points will it take to win this game

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Speaker 1: at Detroit?

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Speaker 2: I think you nailed it with twenty eight being the

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Speaker 2: bare minimum that you have to achieve. You have to

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Speaker 2: get in the end zone at least four times. That

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Speaker 2: might not even be enough because this is an offense

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Speaker 2: that averages thirty points a game, best in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: And they know how bad their defense is right now,

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Speaker 2: especially in the secondary, So they're shifting into a mindset

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Speaker 2: where it's like, we gotta get to forty to win

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Speaker 2: these football games.

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Speaker 1: Right, They're gonna come out trying to score and score again. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers have to the same approach. Do you

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Speaker 1: agree Tom that Tom win and the Steelers could not

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Speaker 1: force a rock fight in this.

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Speaker 2: Oh there's no chance you could accomplish a win in

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Speaker 2: Detroit by doing that.

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Speaker 1: Unless Detroit's offense falls apart on its own.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have played a rock fight this year

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Speaker 2: in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: They lost that game sixteen to nine.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a Sunday night football game, so

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Speaker 2: it's happened to Detroit, but that game seemed to be

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Speaker 2: more of Detroit getting in their own way.

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Speaker 1: A lot of different factors that affected that game that

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Speaker 1: will not at Detroit now at home their rock fight proof.

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Speaker 4: Right exactly.

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Speaker 1: I do give tom and credit for his fourth down

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Speaker 1: approach against Miami three out of three, and frankly, it's

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Speaker 1: about time he got some guts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't lead to any that's the way the

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Speaker 2: league is now, though you got to do that. It's

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Speaker 2: funny though it didn't lead to any points right on

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Speaker 2: that first possession when he kept going for it on

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Speaker 2: fourth down over and over again, so he didn't see

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Speaker 2: the dividends on the scoreboard. But I really hope he

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Speaker 2: leans more into that. I do hate though, that it's

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Speaker 2: always via the Connor Hayward special package that we're calling

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Speaker 2: Spartan now got to get the mascot out there.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, Tom, it's appropriate to call it Spartan. Spartan

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Speaker 1: is Michigan State's mascot, and Connor Hayward is a Steelers mascot.

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Speaker 2: It's very true. Uh, you force feed him onto the field.

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Speaker 2: But I guess whatever works as long as the coach

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Speaker 2: is going for it on fourth down, that's what's most important.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know if he'll keep it up though

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Speaker 1: against Detroit because, like you said, it didn't pay tangible

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Speaker 1: dividends against Well, no, it did because they kept the

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Speaker 1: ball war.

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Speaker 1: They one time a possession, But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it didn't directly lead to points.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure Tom it will keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: But but there's a lot of stuff I don't know

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Speaker 1: and can't figure with Tom win, Like why is Rogers

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Speaker 1: in the backfield on the tush push?

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Speaker 4: Why not an extra blocker?

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Speaker 1: And why does Connor Hayward got to be the tushu? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Tom, would do you have a better name than Spartan?

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Speaker 2: I do what you No, you go first. I like

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh plunge. I've been trying to get that going.

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Speaker 4: Well, that was Shane Douglas's finisher.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that of Beaver Connie and ECW Fame, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd be honored. I would call it the

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Speaker 1: Ask Clown because it's a tush push that involves a mascot.

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Speaker 2: I love the Ask Clown way more. I mean, that

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Speaker 2: just shot way past Pittsburgh Plunge. As far as my

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Speaker 2: rating is concerned, let's call it the Ask Clown.

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Speaker 1: You know why Tomlin shouldn't even want a rock fight

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Speaker 1: at Detroit, tom because the Lodges are missing three out

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Speaker 4: Air it out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got Rogers, let him be Rogers, and

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Speaker 1: we saw it. We've seen a little bit more of Rogers,

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Speaker 1: like that throw to DK for the third touchdown. But still,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're overrating badly how he's played.

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Speaker 1: Even when he plays good and he was very efficient

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Speaker 1: of that efficiency was just dumping it off to gain.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's been good, not great, But I do think

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Speaker 2: what's encouraging from the previous two games as far as

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Speaker 2: passing the ball. When you look at the Ravens game,

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Speaker 2: they were pushing the ball down the field a lot,

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Speaker 2: you know, twenty air yard fifteen air yard passes and

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Speaker 2: they were hitting on them. And then when you look

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Speaker 2: while some of these were dumpoffs, there was a lot

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Speaker 2: more middle of the field being used against Miami. So

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Speaker 2: they're starting to recognize where they're just woefully inefficient in

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Speaker 2: that passing game, and they're addressing it somewhat, but they

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Speaker 2: need to go all the way in with that against Detroit.

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Speaker 2: They need to eat the middle of the field alive,

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Speaker 2: outside with speed and DK running by them.

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Speaker 1: A roster moved by the Steelers at edge rusher. They

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Speaker 1: did not go get Matthew Juden on Nepgree got released

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Speaker 4: Because they should have. They need this team to get older.

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Speaker 1: But they did add Jeremiah Moon to the active roster

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Speaker 1: from the Carolina Panthers practice squad. I wish that I

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Speaker 1: had a Jackie Moon instead, but adding Jeremiah Moon Tom

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Speaker 1: probably says something about her bing and obviously what not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I pretty much assume that Watt wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: be able to play any games. But the fact that

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Speaker 2: you had to go out and get somebody with some

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Speaker 2: familiarity with this defense played here last year for a bit,

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Speaker 2: so you can plug and play him. I think that

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Speaker 2: signals that they're expecting Herbig to be down in this game,

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Speaker 2: which is terrible news. If Jared Goff doesn't get any pressure,

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Speaker 2: he eats you alive. He'll throw for four hundred yards

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Speaker 2: in four touchdowns. It's all about getting in his face

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Speaker 2: and making him feel that pressure.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that'll make Goff throw more than he might?

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Speaker 1: Because the Steelers still do have Jack Sawyer and Highsmith,

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Speaker 1: who were both effective on the edge against a run.

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Speaker 3: See, that's tough for me to predict because.

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Speaker 4: Detroit I can't bypass Gibbs.

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Speaker 3: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it matters who's on the edge. With

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Speaker 1: a Montgomery.

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Speaker 2: When they win games, it all goes through Gibbs. Gibbs

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Speaker 2: has big games, whether it's on the ground all purpose

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Speaker 2: yards combined with the passing game, scoring touchdowns like it

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Speaker 2: has to flow through him if the Lions want to

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Speaker 2: be successful, I bet you Goff will feel more comfortable

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Speaker 2: throwing the ball when he has to.

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Speaker 3: But they they'll orbit around Gibs like they always do.

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Speaker 1: Pat Bostik, the former Pitt quarterback on the B team,

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Speaker 1: who I like. He said the Steelers are more dangerous

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Speaker 1: now than they've been in five years. Maybe he was

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Speaker 1: referring to stabbing players in the lungs, which is dangerous.

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Speaker 4: Five nine. Listen to the X everywhere you go everywhere,

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Speaker 4: tell your sport device Alexa playing one oh five point

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Speaker 4: ninety X on iHeartRadio. Oh, who is a cross America

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Speaker 4: loved Alter Ego a lot whokin the coup of the

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Speaker 4: La Rams receiver.

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Speaker 1: His brother stole a car belonging to a Laker and

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Speaker 1: he's been arrested. Who can the coup? He's a shady guy.

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Speaker 1: I got more about him later. But we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers like we're obligated to do, whether I want

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Speaker 1: to or not.

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Speaker 4: Tom, let me see if I have this right.

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Speaker 1: If the Steelers lose and Baltimore wins, which would put

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Speaker 1: the teams back in the time for the AFC North lead,

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Speaker 1: then Week seventeen don't matter what either team does. Week

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Speaker 1: eighteen would be for the division title no matter what

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Speaker 1: Baltimore at Pittsburgh. Is that right, because that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for. I want that showdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is correct, because even if Week seventeen were

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Speaker 2: to play out where the Steelers beat the Browns and

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Speaker 2: the Ravens lose to the Packers, they'd still just be

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Speaker 2: that game back and every time break.

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Speaker 4: Baltimore wins and they get the tie break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they split the series in the season, and then

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Speaker 2: it goes to they got the other time break. It's

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Speaker 2: common opponents, I think, and it's just already locked up

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Speaker 2: for the Ravens if it goes to that point. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: you are correct. If that plays out on Sunday, then

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Speaker 2: Week seventeen is moot.

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Speaker 4: You sound like Ed McMahon. You are correct there. That

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Speaker 4: is what I'm rooting for.

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Speaker 1: Don't you want to see that Baltimore Pittsburgh last game

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Speaker 1: Division title?

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Speaker 2: Selfishly, no, because then that's going to be Sunday night

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Speaker 2: football that week and I'm gonna have to work until

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Speaker 2: two in the morning. You're right, I would rather that

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Speaker 2: be meetingless and be at one o'clock on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I don't want.

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Speaker 2: I don't want Sunday night football either, And you know

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Speaker 2: that's a lot if that game comes down to winning

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Speaker 2: the AFC North between those two teams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, do Ice still wanted? Screw you?

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Speaker 2: The football fan in me wants it because of the drama. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it'd be great. You have an easy life. He's go

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Speaker 2: home late, go home late, sleep in a little bit

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Speaker 2: the next day. You know, I'm disappointed in de Fabo,

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Speaker 2: whoa he wrote a story about the cast offfs kind

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Speaker 2: of glamorizing Roders talking about all the cast offs we have.

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Speaker 2: I will say, though, that the primary focus of the

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Speaker 2: story was Kenneth Gainwell, and he does fit that description.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't make much money, it has done well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say he's the only legitimate cast off

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Speaker 2: that you could circle and say he's done really well.

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Speaker 3: Better than not only I.

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Speaker 2: Think a lot of us expected entering this season, but

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Speaker 2: what the rest of the league expected was capable from

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell. And I'm not saying that you make him,

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Speaker 2: you know, the workhorse number one back mark. But maybe

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Speaker 2: he gets sixteen carries and Warren gets ten. Now moving forward,

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Speaker 2: maybe Warren slides into more of that third back down

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Speaker 2: back roll and on first and ten, that first carry

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Speaker 2: goes to Kenneth Gainwell because every single time we see

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Speaker 2: him fit that role, you know, kind of be that

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Speaker 2: early down back, Gainwell does better than Warren, or at

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Speaker 2: least adequately enough.

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Speaker 1: Which begs the question, who's the number one back right now?

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be the number one back at Detroit

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Speaker 1: right now? It's probably going to go back to Jalen Warren.

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Speaker 1: So I think they'll just go right even after the

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Speaker 1: game Gainwell hat, Yes, I see, that's just bad coaching.

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Speaker 4: He's surprised. Well, no, no, I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: But but you got two backs who are basically, you know,

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Speaker 1: one in one A and one A clearly had a

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Speaker 1: better game, even though you know, I mean, you're not

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Speaker 1: supposed to lose your job when you're injured or ill.

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Speaker 1: But we both know there's a different reality in a

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Speaker 1: lot of situations.

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Speaker 4: I'd just go with Gainwell.

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Speaker 1: A lot of shows have something called like an overreaction Monday, overreaction.

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Speaker 4: Tuesday McAfee has that get up.

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Speaker 3: As that Eisen has that.

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Speaker 1: Why does everybody have that? Well, because it's easy. It's

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Speaker 4: New England won ten games in a.

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Speaker 2: Buffalo, and they put up thirty one points in that game,

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Speaker 4: But I mean the thing you blew Buffalo got Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you blew a twenty one to nothing leads, So

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Speaker 1: Steelers beat the Patriots, Tom, Steelers beat them.

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Speaker 1: Steller's well, speaking of beat yourself, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: They're just nowhere near that.

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Speaker 1: I have no more optimism now than I did before

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Speaker 2: Jackson If Trevor Lawrence plays like this, I give Jacksonville

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Speaker 3: He's been playing outstanding in the past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: You know what, you know what seed you need to

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Speaker 2: Houston's the best team right now, and their offense is

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Speaker 2: But I was skeptical Mark that Josh Allen was going

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Speaker 1: We got the Penguins at Ottawa seven pm here on

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Speaker 4: If the boys want to fight, you better let them.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins have been sold by Fenway Sports Group to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean we're saying it's too late right

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Speaker 4: Too wait to get way way down.

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Speaker 1: Although the New York Islanders barely missed the playoffs last

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Speaker 2: And that's the only thing that I think would save,

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Speaker 1: the lost term guy with Morishoff Skinner was in two

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Speaker 1: straight Stanley Cup finals and Shilloffs who was starting tonight

442
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,200
Speaker 1: at least, well, he does suck, but maybe not that bad.

443
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 2: So what were trading a Carlson or Rusto or a

444
00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,160
Speaker 2: kel be viewed as as sort of a long term

445
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,199
Speaker 2: blow then? Like, I don't think it would either, Like

446
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 2: I think people would be able to see the reasoning

447
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:19,439
Speaker 2: behind that.

448
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Speaker 1: Because that room never thinks past now. And don't get

449
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Speaker 1: me wrong, I don't think any dressing room in any

450
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 1: sport thinks passed right, now, but the GM has to.

451
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Speaker 2: It is amazing that they've lost six straight and they're

452
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 2: still just two points back of the second wild card spot,

453
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Speaker 2: and they have two games in hand on New Jersey

454
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Speaker 2: Shorgan too. I thought it was one. New Jersey's got

455
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 2: thirty nine right now. The Penn's got thirty seven points,

456
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 2: but they got two games in hand on the Devil,

457
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 2: so they got two opportunities to at least, So that's right.

458
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 1: The Devil's one last night. One thing that has that

459
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Speaker 1: should be noted. I haven't probably talked enough about. The

460
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 1: Penguins are zero and six since Gino got hurt. That

461
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 1: gives the other teams easy matchups with the Sid line,

462
00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 1: like McDavid against Sid all night on Tuesday, which Muse

463
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 1: didn't even try to get away from.

464
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 4: In fact, he really embraced it.

465
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 2: Do you get the sense that Muse is starting to

466
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 2: really push the wrong buttons here?

467
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

468
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 2: It really feels that way, like it's becoming a consistent

469
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 2: theme that he's just whatever he's going to is the

470
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,360
Speaker 2: wrong move.

471
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Speaker 1: I'll give it an example. He made me nuts when

472
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Speaker 1: they blew it to San Jose when he had the

473
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Speaker 1: Hayes line out there to try to protect the lead

474
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Speaker 1: against their kids, celebrity, et cetera. Yeah, Now, if you're gonna,

475
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, not use Sid's line. If sids line's tired,

476
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: then let our kids beat their kids. Give them that

477
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Speaker 1: opportunity and test them because we're trying to develop.

478
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Speaker 4: We know, Kevin Hayes sucks.

479
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 2: You get the guy who skates around in mud out

480
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: there against Celebrini, who might be the best player in

481
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 2: the NHL this year might be Yeah, and then the

482
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Speaker 2: tactical decision to put Latangan Carlson out there on that

483
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Speaker 2: face off against the Ducks.

484
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Speaker 4: Well, and it wasn't just in those games.

485
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Speaker 1: It's been like ever since the good start, they're they're

486
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: thinking too much about squeaking out a playoff spot and

487
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Speaker 1: odd enough about what's important to the team being a

488
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Speaker 1: contender in the long run. And I think that falls

489
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Speaker 1: on mus. I think he's a good coach. I just

490
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: think he's lost his way, even Lizotte being at tom

491
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Speaker 1: You know Hayes who played a couple of good games

492
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Speaker 1: after being put back in the lineup after being scratched,

493
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Speaker 1: But he doesn't have the same intensity as Lizotte and

494
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: certainly can't skate.

495
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Speaker 4: Like he does.

496
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Speaker 2: And did they just not have any willingness to dip

497
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Speaker 2: back down into Wilkes, right, and to grab another one

498
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Speaker 2: of these kids to come up here to bring some

499
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Speaker 2: of that.

500
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Speaker 1: Intensequens broadcaster who will remain nameless said they got to

501
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: bring bros up.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly the name that I was thinking of, Like,

503
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Speaker 2: just go and give him a couple of runs.

504
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Speaker 4: Actually, no way to Penguin Scott who will remain nameless.

505
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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I think it's got to be worth it,

506
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Speaker 2: and like you just said, you're lacking intensity with a

507
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Speaker 2: guy like Hayes, that is what.

508
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Speaker 1: I just take the fourth line much as slow bums

509
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: get speed down. Veteran respect but veteran stenched too.

510
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Speaker 5: Uh.

511
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Speaker 1: I will give one guy credit though, who's playing right

512
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: now top six because of the injuries. Novak, who I

513
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: can't stand how soft he is and non physical and

514
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: he makes mistakes in the neutral zone. But he's actually

515
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: done okay, recently called upon in a bigger role.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, very pleased to saw me. No vac for sure.

517
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's any other guys that

518
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 2: kind of fit that bill that have had to have

519
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 2: a little bit of an expanded role with the Penguins. No,

520
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 2: and if thrived. Yeah, it's hard to really rack your

521
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: brain and find one. And that's what's been such a problem.

522
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Speaker 1: Has played well since coming back from injury, but he

523
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Speaker 1: needs to produce a bit more.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not really in that same category, right,

525
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: like you expect McGroarty to be somebody on this team.

526
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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't really have that.

527
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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Sid needs one point tonight to tie sixty six two

529
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Speaker 1: points to pass him. I got a feeling tonight's tonight.

530
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Speaker 1: We don't know that Mario's there. I kind of doubted

531
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Speaker 1: that he made the trip to Ottawa. I think if

532
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Speaker 1: Sid breaks it on the road, Mario will just be

533
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Speaker 1: there at the next home game for whatever's perpetrating.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, And I guarantee you Sid wants

535
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Speaker 2: to break it tonight so badly, right, just so it

536
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Speaker 2: can stop at I.

537
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Speaker 1: Don't think Sid thinks about stuff like this with most

538
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: guys when they say that it's a crock, But Sid

539
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: just wants to win. I meant from the I think

540
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Speaker 1: said would be very disappointed if he broke the record.

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Speaker 4: On a night the peng was lost, no doubt.

542
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Speaker 2: I also just meant from the perspective of we're all

543
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: talking about it right now, right like, ah, here it goes.

544
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: Could this be the night? Could this be the night?

545
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: I don't think he likes hearing that always looming over it.

546
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: But let's just end this, let's put this to bed.

547
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: But you're right, it can't come in a losing effort.

548
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Speaker 2: That would just kind of put a stench on it.

549
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: When you look at the standings, like you said, the

550
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Speaker 1: Penguins are just two points out of a playoff spot.

551
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Speaker 1: I'm actually not encouraged by that at all. It just

552
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Speaker 1: reminds me of the folly of the loser point and

553
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Speaker 1: just the fact that some games are worth three points.

554
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Speaker 4: And others are worth two.

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Speaker 1: There is no sport, Tom, Well, that's not true because

556
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Speaker 1: in soccer, wins are worth three, ties are worth one,

557
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: so games are worth a different amount of points. But

558
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Speaker 1: you know this, in this case, the way the loser

559
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Speaker 1: points have skewed the standings, it makes no sense. And

560
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Speaker 1: I understand why they do it. They want the standings

561
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Speaker 1: artificially kept tight, you know, for interest in all the

562
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Speaker 1: cities as many as possible, and to keep the GM's

563
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Speaker 1: job stacks.

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Speaker 4: Because the GMS came up with that.

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Speaker 1: In soccer, I think it's a more noble thing because

566
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Speaker 1: it makes you play for a win more.

567
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Speaker 2: What really ticks me off about the standings when I

568
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: look at it is just the wasted opportunity that you

569
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Speaker 2: see from this six game losing streak, because the games

570
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Speaker 2: at hand, like we mentioned, are still massively in the

571
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Speaker 2: penguins favor. They're only two points back despite losing six

572
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Speaker 2: straight games. Like, if they could have just found a

573
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Speaker 2: way to not blow these leads, they would really be comfortable.

574
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Speaker 3: I think as far as their playoff positioning would be concerned.

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Speaker 1: If they were even five hundred in games decided after

576
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Speaker 1: sixty minutes, yes, they would probably be prom You got

577
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Speaker 1: the standings up, Yes, how many points the Penguins have

578
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Speaker 1: thirty seven?

579
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Speaker 2: Who's second in the metro with thirty four games played

580
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Speaker 2: the forty one point New York Islanders.

581
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Speaker 1: So if the Penguins were five hundred in games decided

582
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Speaker 1: after sixty minutes, they would be second in a division.

583
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd be tied with the Islanders right now. Yeah,

584
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Speaker 2: so with games and ends, yeah exactly. So Yeah.

585
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Speaker 1: You know what, though, they have no one to blame

586
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Speaker 1: but themselves. Course, because they've never worked hard enough at

587
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: three on three or at shootouts. They just they think

588
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Speaker 1: it's incidental, and they couldn't be more effing.

589
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 3: Wrong, no doubt, do you make anything of there, And

590
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Speaker 3: that's not.

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Speaker 1: Just I think Doube actually understands. I don't think the

592
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Speaker 1: coach does. And I know the players just want to

593
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: play good two hundred foot hockey and that's not good

594
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: two hundred foot but wait, it gives you an extra Well,

595
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: we want to.

596
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Speaker 4: Play good two hundred foot hockey.

597
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Speaker 2: Wasn't also an excuse in previous years for the Penguins

598
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Speaker 2: when they were making playoffs, like ah, well, you don't

599
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Speaker 2: do this in the playoffs, like this isn't a way

600
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Speaker 2: that you get through it.

601
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Speaker 1: And that's true if you know you're going to make

602
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Speaker 1: the playoffs exactly. I always gave and I've said this

603
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Speaker 1: a million times, I always gave Shiro credit for making

604
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Speaker 1: sure they had shootouts specialists like Kristensen and jokin In.

605
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: I gave Dan Bosma credit, and not really for very much,

606
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Speaker 1: because he was a disappointed coach even though he did

607
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Speaker 1: win that one cup because he wasn't Michelle Terran, but

608
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Speaker 1: but he knew the shootout was important and emphasized in

609
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Speaker 1: practice and where they were lucky was they had four

610
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Speaker 1: who's the best shootout goal we ever? Tom, we're talking

611
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Speaker 1: about some of the lineup mechanations. Do you think anybody's

612
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: getting screwed in the lineup? There's one guy I.

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Speaker 3: Think is getting screwed screwed in the lineup? Are you now?

614
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 3: Are you gonna say, Kindle?

615
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: No?

616
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 5: No.

617
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Speaker 3: I think they've been actually pretty good with Ben Kendall too.

618
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Speaker 3: You know what's funny? Who would be screwed Ben?

619
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Speaker 4: Ben?

620
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Speaker 1: Is? Ben struggled a little bit, although you know scored

621
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Speaker 1: that great goal on that breakaway was that against That

622
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: was against too? They the three not to lead to

623
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: that was Utah right right, a great and uh And

624
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: I think he and mcgrorty give him a million percent.

625
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not disappointed in in Kindle at all. Yeah,

626
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm grasping straws here. Graves okay, scratched lately. He should

627
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: be in the lineup ahead a waterspoon. Waterspoon is fading.

628
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: Graves has been better since his call up. What they

629
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: should do is move Kulak to the waterspoon spot, which

630
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Speaker 1: I think is with Carlson right, yes, and then and

631
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: then bench Waterspoon.

632
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Speaker 4: You don't have to do it forever.

633
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Speaker 1: Like I always say, when you scratch a guy who's

634
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: playing bad, you're not, you know, shooting him and dumping

635
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: him in a ditch.

636
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Speaker 4: You're just scratching him for a game. You can always

637
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 4: put him back in there.

638
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it sends a sucking message that Ryan Graves

639
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: came up after the tough start of the year starting

640
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: in HL, played well at the NHL level and now

641
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: goes right back to being in the press, and it's.

642
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: Got to discourage him moving forward, because what can you

643
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: do right right right? He says, these guys are not

644
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: going to trust me even if I play good. Maybe

645
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: by playing bad at a big price, he's earned that,

646
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: But I would play him right now at a Waterspoon.

647
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean Waterspoon hasn't done a pretty good job

648
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: for a guy who's a career AHL guy mostly, but

649
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: Graves is the better player right now. Up next, we

650
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: got the trifecta and at the top of the ar

651
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: I'm going to go in depth about the sale of

652
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: the Penguins from FSG to the Hoffman Group, and I'm

653
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: worried about it.

654
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a pending disaster.

655
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: But I think there's things that should make everybody trepidacious.

656
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that for a fact. This is

657
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: my team.

658
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean the team I've supported I was six years old,

659
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look for the bad so it can

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Speaker 1: be prevented. That's why I don't go to pirate games.

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Speaker 1: One oh five.

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Speaker 5: Nine Tonight the Penz face the Senators. Game time is seven.

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Speaker 5: Our coverage starts at six here every game and the

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Speaker 5: best coverage right here on your home of the Pensive

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Speaker 5: d X.

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Speaker 3: From the Dollar Energy Fund Weather Center.

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Speaker 1: This report is sponsored by super Sure Mexo selling Clouds

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Speaker 1: Today then Cloud's late to high fifty Mark Madre Game Show.

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Speaker 4: Double. I'm on the X. Let's do the trifected Tom.

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Speaker 3: What do we got for today's trifecta Mark?

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Speaker 2: Since it is the holiday season, I'm gonna go with

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Speaker 2: rock bands who gave us some pretty good Christmas songs.

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Speaker 3: You don't like Christmas music very much, do you? That's

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Speaker 3: the read I'm gonna make on it.

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Speaker 1: I do not, but I do like I know one

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Speaker 1: song you're not gonna have on there, really Spinal Tap

677
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Speaker 1: Christmas with the Devil.

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Speaker 2: I thought about putting that on there. But you're right,

679
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: these are legitimate rock bands. Not to say Spinal Tap

680
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: is not. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but they are a

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Speaker 2: parent to.

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Speaker 1: Come on, they are a parody, No, they're Believe me,

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Speaker 1: they're more of a rock band. I think there are

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Speaker 1: bands out there that are a parody of Spinal Path,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: Number three Twisted Sisters take on Oh come all ye

687
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: faithful Boo, Such a weird song, though right, Twisted Sisters

688
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Speaker 2: singing that version of a c DC's number two Mistress

689
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Speaker 2: for Christmas funny song boo, and number one The Beach Boys,

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Speaker 2: the Little Saint Nick.

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Speaker 4: No, No, they all suck.

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Speaker 3: Why do you hate Christmas music?

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Speaker 4: I hate this Christmas music.

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Speaker 1: I can name a rock and roll Christmas song and

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Speaker 1: it's very pertinent because it's architect. The guy who did

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Speaker 1: it turned eighty two today, Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Keith. How the frig he's alive? Just don'believing? Incredible? Yes,

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Speaker 1: he did the Chuck Berry Christmas song, Run Run Rudolph.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's a great run Run Rudolph. You're never going

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Speaker 4: to make it to tan.

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Speaker 2: You like that version more than Chuck Berry's that's tough.

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00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: Cherry's so good. Chuck was the guy I should have

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Speaker 2: put that on here. That was a bad omission by me.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what were some of your just off the list?

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Speaker 1: Apparently bad to do better? Tom just a bad bad list,

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Speaker 1: bad list, the the Trifecta probably much their chagrine today

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Speaker 1: brought was by Danny's Petron Hogies, Pittsburgh's original of them

710
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Speaker 1: baked Hogy since nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 4: That's Stanny's Route eighty eight and.

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Speaker 1: Bet the Park. Yeah, Keith just Is is incredible. I

713
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: can't believe he's alive. I can't believe all the great

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Speaker 1: work he's done. It is funny that the Stones almost

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Speaker 1: fell apart when him and Mick didn't get along because

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Speaker 1: Mick tried a solo career, and then you know, they

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Speaker 1: realized that, well Mick did. I think Keith always knew,

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Speaker 1: not no, that nothing was going to ever challenge the

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stones. I think Mick though, saw guys like Ozzy,

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Speaker 1: you know, leave Sabbath.

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Speaker 4: And have success and have success.

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Speaker 1: But then again he should have looked at Robert Plant,

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Speaker 1: because Robert Plant left Zeppelin and he did very well

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Speaker 1: and still is. But it wasn't Zeppelin and Ozzy. Did

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Speaker 1: he surpass Black Sabba? Well, if he did, he kept

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Speaker 1: going back, didn't he?

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Speaker 3: True? Now?

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Speaker 4: Were you more?

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Speaker 1: What happened with Ozzie All the time though, Ozzy would

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Speaker 1: get mad that they succeeded with Dio, and then he'd

731
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Speaker 1: want to out. He didn't want to like go back

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Speaker 1: and prove that this is really sad better than well,

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Speaker 1: not better, but that it's not really Sabbath, huh unless

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Speaker 1: I'm in it? And you know, they got Ozzie to

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Speaker 1: come back at one point by giving him the name,

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Speaker 1: the name Black Sabbath, you know, sharing his wife negotiated that.

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Speaker 1: And because of that, whenever Iomi and Butler would get

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Speaker 1: back with Ronnie James Dio, they couldn't tour his Black Sabbath.

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Speaker 1: They had to be Heaven and Hell, which was the

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Speaker 1: name of the first album and the best album they

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Speaker 1: did with Dio. In fact, I consider Heaven and Hell

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Speaker 1: and this includes the work with Ozzie and whoever else,

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Speaker 1: to be the best Black Sabbath album ever.

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Speaker 3: What was Slash?

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Speaker 2: Is more surprising to you that Keith Richards is still

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Speaker 2: alive at eighty two, or that Ozzie lived for as

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Speaker 2: long as he did. I don't know exactly know what

748
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 2: old how old he was when he died, but like

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Speaker 2: both of those lived hard lives, you know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of miles on it, and lived to old age, died

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Speaker 2: of ripe old age causes. Well, Keith still alive.

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that Keith danced with mister Brownstone

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Speaker 1: so often, you know, did smack And I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: Ozzie ever done that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So that's I'm surprised that never cut up with Keith.

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Speaker 1: Then again, some guys just I mean Pete Way, my

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00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: friend the basis from UFO, who passed away in his seventies,

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00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: but he was a lifelong addict and he just had

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Speaker 1: a system that could tolerate it. I don't even recall

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Speaker 1: Pete ever having had complications from an OD like never

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Speaker 1: had to go to the hospital because he odd.

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Speaker 3: That's a very good point.

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Speaker 1: Like like Nicky six, Nicky six, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: he has the same constitution as Pete, which is great

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Speaker 1: because he and Pete were friends and he is the

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Speaker 1: closest thing.

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Speaker 4: To Pete since Pete.

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Speaker 1: But you know, even Nicky went you know, they thought

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Speaker 1: he died once he was pronounced dad, and they revived

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Speaker 1: him after an od and and he left the message

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Speaker 1: on his machine, Hey it's Nikki. I can't answer the

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00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: phone because I'm dead. And then he shot up again.

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00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean right after that, yeah, right after that. So

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Speaker 1: some guys, man, some guys.

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Speaker 2: Right back on the horse. What you said is so true.

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Speaker 2: They're like, did you know horse? I mean, come on,

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Speaker 2: that's great. Keith Richard's like he's been doing this this

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Speaker 2: whole life, so you're right, Like the tolerance has just

779
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: been built up so so much it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 2: odie as long as he's getting some good stuff. And

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Speaker 2: I think Keith's getting some real good stuff, some real

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Speaker 2: clean stuff.

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Speaker 1: There was always the story back in like the seventies

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Speaker 1: that he would go annually to a clinic in Switzerland

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Speaker 1: to get his blood changed. Keith, Yeah, which would which

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00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: would remove the addiction. Now I've been you know, however,

787
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: temporarily say still doing it, right, But I've also been

788
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: told that that's impossible.

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Speaker 4: You can't change a person's blood.

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00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: You can give him transfusions, but you can't take it

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00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: all out and put new blood back in, like.

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Speaker 2: You can't hit a factory reset on things like that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good way putting it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And even if you could, it's not working for Keith

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Speaker 2: because I still think he dabbles into his addictions.

796
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Speaker 3: So the flush of the system isn't taking no question.

797
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: Did you see Nick Gonzalez and the Pirates. We got

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00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Bucco news here on the X. He wore number thirty

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Speaker 1: nine previously.

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Speaker 5: Yea.

801
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Speaker 1: And because Dave Parker's in the Hall of Fame, he

802
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: is going to wear number three instead. And he said

803
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be wearing his number if he's in the

804
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I think long ago the Pirates should

805
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: have retired number thirty nine. I think number thirty nine

806
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: never should have been given to Nick Gonzala. Ha's no

807
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: offense to him because he's doing the right thing here.

808
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: But the Steelers never give up twelve. They never give

809
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Speaker 1: out I mean they even like what's retired now, Joe Green, Frankoin,

810
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: Ernie Stott, that's right, that's it. But they never gave

811
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Speaker 1: out seventy five ever after Joe Green it was informally retired.

812
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: I can't believe the Pirates ever gave thirty nine nine.

813
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: But good for Nick Gonzalez. And that's how the Pirates

814
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: do things. They wait till somebody's dead a lot of

815
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Speaker 1: the time to do right by him. I am still

816
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: outraged to this day, to this day, Tom that the

817
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: frig and Pirates waited till Dick grow passed to put

818
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: him in their crappy in house Hall of Fame. Unforgivable,

819
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Speaker 1: especially they way inducted a lot of guys who are

820
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: already dead because they wanted to get all the dies

821
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: in Cooper's time, the National Baseball Hall of Fame wanted

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Speaker 1: to get them in first. F that Jake Beckley has

823
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: been dead for years. F Jake Beckley even know who

824
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: that is? That name is right over my head. I

825
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: know exactly who Dick Groad is. The Pirates know how

826
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: to do nothing but make money, absolutely nothing. Up next,

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Speaker 1: the real deal when it comes to Penguins, sale, the

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Speaker 1: pros and cons. What's gonna happen? Who's involved? It's the

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Speaker 1: Mark Mannen Show one oh five to nine,