WEBVTT - The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker 1-12-26 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.640 Good evening and welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.880 WLW on Monday night, January twelfth, twenty twenty six. How 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:10.559 was the weekend? 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:10.920 Huh? 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:11.320 Gary? 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:13.600 Jeff Walker checking in. I think tonight's going to be 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.759 a very special show because of our first guest coming 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:19.520 up in just a few minutes. We'll be talking to 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.720 a woman named Katie Asher who has written a very compelling, 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:30.720 very thought provoking book about the soul, the human soul, 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:36.400 and what it means and how it may be different 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:42.519 than the brain. You know, neuroscientists have battled over this 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:49.080 for years. Katie Asher has a neurologically injured son who 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.600 couldn't communicate in many of the normal ways. I don't 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:58.400 know if you're familiar with Jen Jordan, who locally is 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.200 on the radio on Q one two here in town, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.720 but she has a son named Jacob who famously has 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:13.880 been just mounting. He's autistic and nonverbal, and she never 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.200 knew how she was going to break through to her son, 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:21.600 whom she loves very much, but somehow found a way 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.920 for Jacob to speak, and he's one of the most thoughtful, 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:33.200 incredible human beings on the planet. You excluded, but no, 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.560 this is a similar situation, I think, but a discussion 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:45.440 of the soul and breakthroughs in neuroscience that we never 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.440 maybe thought we'd see in our lifetimes. Katie Asher will 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.360 be up in a moment. The wild Man is here 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.760 for a little while, my friend J. T. Young, who's 0:01:55.800 --> 0:02:01.840 an incredible thinker and writer, doctor Kezim Casaronian, and I 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:06.200 hope I'm pronouncing the name right. About the future of Iran. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:11.480 You know, you may have seen footage of the protests 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.679 all over the country of Iran. The Mullas, the Iyatolas, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.960 they're being attacked. Who knows, they may not even be 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.760 in the country. And there are protests in this country 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:27.480 people of Iranian descent and people who fled Iran when 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:32.120 the theocracy took over. We are you talking about that. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:38.119 Nils Gravillius, who's an incredible detective, owns a detective agency 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.480 in Los Angeles on a number of issues. He's also 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:46.079 the author of The Last law Man, Speaking to the 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:50.440 Wonderland Murders back in la back in the day. And 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:55.120 we'll get him some hot cakes on what's going on 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.919 around the country now. And we could use a good 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.120 detective from time to time. Couldn't we And Jeff Career, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.440 who I've never talked to you before, but we're going 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.520 to find out what this Louisiana man has on his mind. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.840 It's the Nightcap and it begins again with Katie Asher 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:19.920 neuroscience and the human soul and the evidence that is 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.120 just astounding with what her son has been able to 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:31.240 do with a severe neurological injury. Seven utter WLW. I've 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.080 been so excited about ever since I booked this guest 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:40.400 last week because of the subject matter. And you don't 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.840 have a whole lot of opportunities in this business, or 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.800 maybe it's just because we don't take the opportunity when 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.400 we have it in front of us. And that's what 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.960 I did in this case to talk about something that 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:56.120 truly matters to every single living soul on the face 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.920 of the earth. Yes, I said soul because it directly 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.480 relates to what we're going to be talking about with 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:08.280 Katie Asher, who is well, she's a mother first and 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:14.080 foremost of a son named Houston, neurologically injured autistic son 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:21.279 who was nonverbal and trapped basically inside his body. But 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.719 what happened was and I'll let Katie obviously embellish and 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:35.120 explain this. What happened was Houston started knowing things that 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:40.400 he'd never been exposed to, spiritual truths, if you will, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.880 The question is is the soul more than just biology? 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:52.839 Katie Asher and Houston are challenging modern science, and modern 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:57.200 science is starting to pay attention and you should too. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.000 Katie Asher, Welcome to the Nightcap. How are you? 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.640 I'm great? Thank you so much for having me on. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.480 Did I misstate anything in the introduction? 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:08.680 No, you didn't. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.760 It's completely miraculous and it brings all of us to 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.120 the place of recognizing that we are more than our bodies, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.200 that we are a spirit before we are physical bodies. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:26.159 We're not just a collection of cells. It's not just 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:31.640 biological science, physiology, but there is much more to this. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.359 The book that you've written with Houston your son is 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.400 called the Book of Heaven, a story of hope for 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.960 the outcasts, the broken, and those who lost faith. So 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.200 let's start for people who are not familiar with your 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.240 story at all, and they're becoming more and more familiar 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.640 because I know that you were part of a number 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:56.840 one podcast at Christmas time, even surpassing Joe Rogan's podcast, 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.000 which we all know is wildly popular and very successful. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.840 So that's saying something right there. But so let's let's 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:08.359 start with Houston. Katie, who was Houston? What were what 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.479 are the challenges that he was born with? And what 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.840 did you learn as you grew with your son? 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:22.599 So Houston is my second child out of five, and 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:28.440 he was developing normally. And you know, if I look back, 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:33.480 I can say that there he might have had mitochondrial 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:40.159 issues or or even maybe he wasn't producing enough glcoprotein. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:46.520 These aren't things that manifest as any type of intellectual disability. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.479 These are just basically functions of the cell, the human cell, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:57.000 which we all have. And for example, glycoprotein is what 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.360 the it's like a name tad for the cells. It's 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:04.159 so the immune system doesn't attack itself. So it may 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.320 have been possible that he wasn't producing enough of glycoprotein 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.200 those types of things we aren't sure. But what happened 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:17.280 was he was developing perfectly and when he received his 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:25.200 dtp hib shot, he started having an autoimmune reaction and 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.880 his body started attacking itself and we ended up in 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:34.800 the hospital and hematologists wasn't even she didn't even hesitate. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.440 She said, this is a vaccine injury. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:42.200 And what we didn't realize was that and the subsequent 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.560 vaccines that we were told wouldn't be a big deal, 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.120 it would be you. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.800 Know, there was no risk wasn't true. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:55.760 And he regressed severely, losing all the skills he once 0:07:55.920 --> 0:08:03.760 had and developing all kinds of biological and physiological issues 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:10.960 that later became diagnosed as severe autism. And for those 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:17.120 who don't know what severe autism is, it's not what 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:22.200 you see on TV or shows where they're neurodiverse or 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:28.560 something like that. This is profound neurological injury. And that 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.920 meant he had rashes all over his body, sometimes huge 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.640 sores he had. He would push his head on the ground. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.400 He would cover his ears, he would wail in pain. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:45.199 He would have massive seizures. He was constantly eating and drinking. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:49.920 He was obsessed with all sorts of different things. He 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.920 would run around in circles. He would he always wanted 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.280 things in his hands, sticks or rocks in his hands. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.720 He would he couldn't sleep, he wanted to. He couldn't 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.680 wear clothes. He was always trying to be naked. In 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.959 my times, he would clothe them. He would elope for 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.040 those who don't know what eloping, it means to run 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.640 away without any fear of danger. So he would run 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.520 in front of traffic, he would just dash off. At 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.960 any time, he would elope and throw himself into bodies 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:30.160 of water. We had so many near drownings and floods. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:36.800 Honestly, it was just two decades of torture for everyone. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.880 And he was unable to speak or control his body. Yeah, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:47.200 and then what happened Katie. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.679 Obviously, like anyone else who was dealing with something so traumatic, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.599 I lost hope. And I think that's understandable if you 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.079 were in my situation. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:00.080 I can't imagine. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:06.160 And the verse growing up that I had always clung 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.760 to was all things work together for the good of 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.640 those who love God, who are called according to his purpose, which. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.200 Is Roman day twenty eight. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.800 But it got to the point I remember, I was 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.760 because one of the other things that severe autism is 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.800 is feegal smearing, and he would have chronic diarrhea and 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.600 smear feces on everything five to eight times a day, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:32.240 and that's not an exaggeration, that's actually the number. And 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.320 I was in despair, and I just got to the 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.800 point where I just didn't think that it was possible 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:40.959 for God to bring good out. 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:45.880 Of all of this disaster around me, and. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.600 I was this had happened, This particular event happened when 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:55.120 I was seven, when he was seventeen. And at the 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.440 time I had become a single bomb because of course 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.760 my ex husband was very abusive and when you know it, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.200 he didn't like autism. It's funny about that, and so 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.840 he left and didn't bother to support us. So I 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:15.640 was working three jobs trying to survive, and not glamorous jobs, 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:21.560 by the way, really unglamorous. And I came home one 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:27.000 day completely exhausted and had experienced a miracle. Now, what 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.760 was going on around that time was I was getting 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.280 my yoga certification because one of my jobs was working 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.920 for a gem and they wanted me to teach yoga, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.480 so I had to go get yoga certified. And in 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.240 this training they said to make an intention, which I 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.560 thought was ridiculous. So I made my little vague statement 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.840 in my head because I also knew that people don't 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:55.000 want to hear your sad story, they really don't, And 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.120 so I made my little general statement and I said it, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.920 and before I could even stop myself, the truth came out, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.360 which was, oh, and I would like bad things to 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:09.560 stop happening. And they actually challenged me on that, and 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.240 they said that good had just as much chance it's 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:17.240 happening as bad, which I could know. You believe what 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.959 you'd experienced, and that's what I've experienced. Why would I 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:25.480 believe anything else? And they challenged me and they said 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.880 that everything that you see around you, like, look at 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.240 a table or a chair, and you think that's what's real. Right, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.480 that's what we do. We think that what's real is 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:35.200 what we can. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.840 Touch and feel and see. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.720 And they said, what was it before it was a 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.720 table or a chair, And the answer is, there was 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:45.200 a thought. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.559 It was an idea. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.000 And then they said, well, if no one had ever 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.959 thought of a table or chair, would it exist? 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.320 And the truth is it wouldn't. It won't. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.200 It can't manifest itself. You have to think it, you 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.760 have to believe it, you have to And this was 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.520 profound to me. And it was in this moment that 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.840 this miracle happened. And I was laying on the couch, 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.920 had the blanket on, and Houston came and sat down 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.080 at my feet, which at the time was strange because 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.359 he would jump up and now make these booming noises, 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:20.679 run back and. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.840 Forth, flap his hands. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:27.200 And here he was sitting perfectly still, and he reached 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.680 over and he tugged at the blanket, just like you 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:36.720 would to get someone's attention, with perfect intentionality, and he said, Mama. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.160 I opened my eyes and shocked, and he was looking 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.280 directly in my eyes, which he had also never done 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.920 except when he was a baby, and he said, I 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:51.800 love you. And in that moment, I chose to believe 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.600 in a miracle. And this is really the crux of 0:13:55.640 --> 0:14:00.920 the story that I want everyone to understand, is that 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:07.280 our faith, our belief, has extraordinary power to bring about 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:12.840 that which we want to believe. And so for five 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.880 years I was believing in this miracle with nothing else 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:22.840 except that moment. And then we learned about spelling, and spelling, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.400 for those who don't know, is a way to train 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.800 the gross motor to begin to point to letters to 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.000 you develop twenty six individual neural motor pathways so they 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.640 can begin to spell out what they want to communicate. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.520 Sure, Sure, And he has. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:44.480 Sent first words that he spelled independently were in answer 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.720 to the question if you could put any slogan on 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.000 a T shirt what would it be? 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.280 And he spelled in here. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.960 And that was the beginning of hope, real tangible hope. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.360 And I had to know. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.280 Who this, this. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:06.840 Son of mine was, And as we began to do 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.920 these lessons and go through all that, I kept I 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.440 was just boracious, like trying to, you know, find out 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.280 who my son is. And he seemed to know everything. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.800 And when I say everything, I mean like he was 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:18.440 spelling out. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.560 The Declaration of Independence like everyone. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.200 Right, And I'm confused because he's never been educated. He 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:30.960 was kept in a self contained classrooms. He exhibited there 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.640 were some little brief moments throughout his life where we're like, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.680 is there something else going on? But we didn't have 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.640 anything tangible lasting to show us there was more. And 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.920 here we finally had it. And so I no matter 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.480 what I you know, lesson I did, he was. His 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.760 knowledge was just vast and extensive, and so I finally 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.200 asked him, how do you. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:55.000 Know so much? 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.840 And I said, do you just have really good hearing? 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:06.400 Which is laughing? He's answer wise, I can hear. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:14.400 Thoughts, and that is where I, of course, like anyone 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.240 else who heard a statement like that, I asked, are 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:22.640 you lying? And you said, you don't get the kind 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.000 of gifts that I have if. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:31.560 You lie, right. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:31.520 And. 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.680 So then I began to discover these gifts. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:42.600 And what it is, what base happened was the neurological 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.720 injury de milinated the motor in his brain. And he 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.800 was at such an early developmental stage, that is, he 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.800 was still taking in the math, He still had the 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.320 massive amounts of sensory synapses that we all do when 0:16:55.360 --> 0:17:00.240 we're born, and he was taking everything in both that, 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:08.080 both the physical and the metaphysical, and being disconnected from 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.680 his body. Of course, the inflammation prevented him from developing 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.560 motor pathways to connect to his body, right, so he 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.240 was left in his etheric body, developing more and more 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.720 and more into his etheric his spiritual body, instead of 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:27.640 his physical body. And the extent of that is extraordinary 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.240 because the more they the more any of us believe, 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.800 the more the veil opens, the more we see. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.520 So and that's what my son did. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:44.120 Well, what of these scientists who have studied Houston and 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:50.120 your story, what have they come away with from this? 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.440 And how does it relate to us being more than 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.879 just a physical body? And the soul the humans. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.399 Yeah, so the very first thing that you've come to 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.040 realize was the realization that I had back when I 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.920 had that whole experience with my yoga intention, which is 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:17.760 that thought is energy. The im material is just as 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.480 real as the material. That's the first one. That's actually 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:26.280 what E equals MC squared means that energy and matter 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.040 are the same thing. They're just measured in different ways. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.480 And so if if our thought is. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.640 Real and it's and it's energy that it's it's actually 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.119 going to obey the same laws of energy that's physical 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.720 energy of phase, which is the very first being the 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:48.600 law of conservation, which states that energy is never created 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.760 or destroyed, it's only transferred, which is that's what's happening 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:57.720 with our thoughts. Then you had his ability to sensibility 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.359 to see things before they have Well, this is because 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:07.960 you're operating in the spirit. You're not being limited by 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:13.960 matter and time and space. So they're actually able to 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:20.880 see things before they happen. They're actually able to be 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:25.679 present with their spirit in a place that their body isn't. 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.600 And that is what scientists are now conducting tests to 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:36.320 actually demonstrate that this is a real, tangible ability that 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:40.159 these individuals have, and the reason they can access it 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.800 is because of the lack of motor neural pathways that 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.399 connect them to their physical body. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:50.080 So you appeared on the Telepathy Tapes, the podcast, which, 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.639 as I mentioned, was number one on Christmas Day, and 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.359 you kind of wrote the book because the Telepathy Tapes 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.639 they chose purposely to avoid the spiritual dimension of yours 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:09.080 in Houston's experiences, and you were our go ahead. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.919 Our book was Yeah, I'm sorry. Our book was actually 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.040 written before the Celepithy Tapes. It was published in twenty 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:22.879 twenty one. We were told when this podcast was released 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.800 that it was going to be an accurate reflection of 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.080 our story, and it was in the sense that it 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.160 did portray the events accurately, but it left out what 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:36.960 was the most. 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:41.240 Important to us, which was God. It left out Houston 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.000 being able. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:49.760 To describe Heaven and describe scriptures that he had never 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.040 read literally as if she was witnessing them, not as 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:54.280 if he had memorized them. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:56.199 Wow. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.639 And that was the most important part of our story, 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:04.520 was getting honor to God, who had never forsaken us, 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.480 who had always been faithful to us, but because of 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:08.800 our despair, he. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:09.680 Hadn't believed it. 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.719 So believing was the first step that creative visualization some 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:22.359 people might call it. But that faith that this could 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:28.080 happen manifested itself in the physical reality, and that's exact. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:30.840 And thus we have the Book of Heaven, a story 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.080 of hope for the outcast, the broken, and those who 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.960 lost faith. Are these scientists still studying Houston? 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:43.679 They are, and they of course have to kind of 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.240 study in a way that science accepts that a pure 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.399 you know, can be pure, you can be duplicated, like 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.960 the test has to be able to be duplicated. So 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:59.600 their rigor is much different than someone who's just experiencing 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.320 it in their family. We don't have We don't put 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.600 Houston through all the rigor that a scientist puts him through. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:14.480 And because of that, we actually experience much more than 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:18.639 what the scientists experience because they are having to limit 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.800 it to things they can actually test and prove in 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:22.680 the physical world. 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.320 So I'm just curious as a as a believing Christian 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:32.800 and wanting to be in Heaven someday when my life 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.520 is through. What does Houston? How has Houston described Heaven? 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.400 Just curious? 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:46.600 This is hysterical because whenever he first began to explain 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:50.040 things to me. Of course, it like blew the little 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.320 box I had of heaven up, right, I mean, like 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:54.960 he said one he spelled out one sentence and the 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:56.040 box was blown up. 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.800 And I said, well, what do you mean what you know? 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.120 I'm like, of course, I've got my little theology right 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.879 that it's everything's supposed to fit my little theology box. 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.159 And he turned to me and he looked at me 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.199 with this look of almost pity, and he spelled out explaining, 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:19.840 Heaven to you takes great elasticity. And so what we 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.520 have to understand is that, first of all, the word 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.320 of God, when you go and you look at these fantastic, 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:32.160 incredible imagery that is in the Bible, that's true, that's accurate. 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:37.280 He described angels with wings that literally covering their feet 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.400 and covering their eyes, and still with wings that expanded out, 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.760 and he said they were powered with what is like fire, 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:48.200 but it's like emotion, that the emotion powers them. And 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:53.040 he described the throne of God. He described the Robe 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:58.800 of Christ. He described ray had in from the Bible 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.200 from the Israelites, she rescued when she helped with us. 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.959 She described how she is taking care of all of 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.960 all the babies that she's there with babies, and she's 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:10.440 helping care for all the babies. 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.000 It's amazing. I'm sorry, Ark, I know our time is 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:19.399 up for this man. I could, I could do, I 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.800 could do a whole show on this. Katie Asher, author 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:24.720 of the Book of Heaven, a story of hope for 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.119 the outcast, have broken and those who lost faith. Her 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:30.399 son is Houston, and I'd love to catch up with 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:31.520 you another time. Katie. 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:36.480 Thank you, thank you, God bless me too. 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:37.440 Bye bye bye. 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.919 Well now for something totally different. The wild Man is 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:45.560 on next afternoons. I'm not sure what he's going to say, 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.359 and I want to make sure we're in safe harbor. 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:49.679 But he has promised to be a good boy and 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.640 not a potty mouth. Since we're on a little little 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.360 bit past nine thirty on this Monday night nightcap, it's 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.679 the one and the only sports commando you are. You 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.000 are going to watch your language, right, wild Man. We're 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:08.280 on early absolutely yeah, all right, Wildman Walker here with 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.600 us on seven under WLW. Obviously, the Steelers game is 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:17.439 on right now, and so we really can't we're not 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.399 allowed to describe the action as it's going on, and 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.639 if people are really caring about it, they're not listening 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:26.360 to us anyway. But you have some important historical notes 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.879 about the Steelers playing at home that you wanted to 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:32.160 share just in case. 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.440 Well, I put down, Yeah, I put down a nice 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:38.679 little wager this afternoon, because the Monday night football record 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.919 for the Pittsburgh Steelers is something out of this world. 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:46.159 Fifty five and twenty five. At home, they are thirty 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.000 two and five. They haven't lost the Monday night games 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.960 since nineteen ninety one. They in fact, have won twenty 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.720 three straight Monday night football games. 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:56.200 Well, and I got to go with. 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.560 Aaron Rodgers and hit his experience and also the Steelers 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:03.480 record against they used some Texans team that's gonna have 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:05.840 a hard time playing in the cold because they're not 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.399 used to that anyway, because they're usually in their comfort 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.199 of their little cozy, dumb stating. 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.040 So if the Texans do win the game tonight, it 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.199 will buck tradition and history. So we'll we'll have to 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.960 see that is still yet to be seen. We know 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.520 we know what happened with the rest of the playoff 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.439 games this week, and any reaction to any of these games. 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:33.199 I thought it was particularly poignant that Justin Herbert was 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:36.240