Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW on Monday night, January twelfth, twenty twenty six. How
Speaker 1: was the weekend?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 3: Gary?
Speaker 1: Jeff Walker checking in. I think tonight's going to be
Speaker 1: a very special show because of our first guest coming
Speaker 1: up in just a few minutes. We'll be talking to
Speaker 1: a woman named Katie Asher who has written a very compelling,
Speaker 1: very thought provoking book about the soul, the human soul,
Speaker 1: and what it means and how it may be different
Speaker 1: than the brain. You know, neuroscientists have battled over this
Speaker 1: for years. Katie Asher has a neurologically injured son who
Speaker 1: couldn't communicate in many of the normal ways. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're familiar with Jen Jordan, who locally is
Speaker 1: on the radio on Q one two here in town,
Speaker 1: but she has a son named Jacob who famously has
Speaker 1: been just mounting. He's autistic and nonverbal, and she never
Speaker 1: knew how she was going to break through to her son,
Speaker 1: whom she loves very much, but somehow found a way
Speaker 1: for Jacob to speak, and he's one of the most thoughtful,
Speaker 1: incredible human beings on the planet. You excluded, but no,
Speaker 1: this is a similar situation, I think, but a discussion
Speaker 1: of the soul and breakthroughs in neuroscience that we never
Speaker 1: maybe thought we'd see in our lifetimes. Katie Asher will
Speaker 1: be up in a moment. The wild Man is here
Speaker 1: for a little while, my friend J. T. Young, who's
Speaker 1: an incredible thinker and writer, doctor Kezim Casaronian, and I
Speaker 1: hope I'm pronouncing the name right. About the future of Iran.
Speaker 1: You know, you may have seen footage of the protests
Speaker 1: all over the country of Iran. The Mullas, the Iyatolas,
Speaker 1: they're being attacked. Who knows, they may not even be
Speaker 1: in the country. And there are protests in this country
Speaker 1: people of Iranian descent and people who fled Iran when
Speaker 1: the theocracy took over. We are you talking about that.
Speaker 1: Nils Gravillius, who's an incredible detective, owns a detective agency
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles on a number of issues. He's also
Speaker 1: the author of The Last law Man, Speaking to the
Speaker 1: Wonderland Murders back in la back in the day. And
Speaker 1: we'll get him some hot cakes on what's going on
Speaker 1: around the country now. And we could use a good
Speaker 1: detective from time to time. Couldn't we And Jeff Career,
Speaker 1: who I've never talked to you before, but we're going
Speaker 1: to find out what this Louisiana man has on his mind.
Speaker 1: It's the Nightcap and it begins again with Katie Asher
Speaker 1: neuroscience and the human soul and the evidence that is
Speaker 1: just astounding with what her son has been able to
Speaker 1: do with a severe neurological injury. Seven utter WLW. I've
Speaker 1: been so excited about ever since I booked this guest
Speaker 1: last week because of the subject matter. And you don't
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of opportunities in this business, or
Speaker 1: maybe it's just because we don't take the opportunity when
Speaker 1: we have it in front of us. And that's what
Speaker 1: I did in this case to talk about something that
Speaker 1: truly matters to every single living soul on the face
Speaker 1: of the earth. Yes, I said soul because it directly
Speaker 1: relates to what we're going to be talking about with
Speaker 1: Katie Asher, who is well, she's a mother first and
Speaker 1: foremost of a son named Houston, neurologically injured autistic son
Speaker 1: who was nonverbal and trapped basically inside his body. But
Speaker 1: what happened was and I'll let Katie obviously embellish and
Speaker 1: explain this. What happened was Houston started knowing things that
Speaker 1: he'd never been exposed to, spiritual truths, if you will,
Speaker 1: The question is is the soul more than just biology?
Speaker 1: Katie Asher and Houston are challenging modern science, and modern
Speaker 1: science is starting to pay attention and you should too.
Speaker 1: Katie Asher, Welcome to the Nightcap. How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm great? Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 1: Did I misstate anything in the introduction?
Speaker 4: No, you didn't.
Speaker 5: It's completely miraculous and it brings all of us to
Speaker 5: the place of recognizing that we are more than our bodies,
Speaker 5: that we are a spirit before we are physical bodies.
Speaker 1: We're not just a collection of cells. It's not just
Speaker 1: biological science, physiology, but there is much more to this.
Speaker 1: The book that you've written with Houston your son is
Speaker 1: called the Book of Heaven, a story of hope for
Speaker 1: the outcasts, the broken, and those who lost faith. So
Speaker 1: let's start for people who are not familiar with your
Speaker 1: story at all, and they're becoming more and more familiar
Speaker 1: because I know that you were part of a number
Speaker 1: one podcast at Christmas time, even surpassing Joe Rogan's podcast,
Speaker 1: which we all know is wildly popular and very successful.
Speaker 1: So that's saying something right there. But so let's let's
Speaker 1: start with Houston. Katie, who was Houston? What were what
Speaker 1: are the challenges that he was born with? And what
Speaker 1: did you learn as you grew with your son?
Speaker 5: So Houston is my second child out of five, and
Speaker 5: he was developing normally. And you know, if I look back,
Speaker 5: I can say that there he might have had mitochondrial
Speaker 5: issues or or even maybe he wasn't producing enough glcoprotein.
Speaker 5: These aren't things that manifest as any type of intellectual disability.
Speaker 5: These are just basically functions of the cell, the human cell,
Speaker 5: which we all have. And for example, glycoprotein is what
Speaker 5: the it's like a name tad for the cells. It's
Speaker 5: so the immune system doesn't attack itself. So it may
Speaker 5: have been possible that he wasn't producing enough of glycoprotein
Speaker 5: those types of things we aren't sure. But what happened
Speaker 5: was he was developing perfectly and when he received his
Speaker 5: dtp hib shot, he started having an autoimmune reaction and
Speaker 5: his body started attacking itself and we ended up in
Speaker 5: the hospital and hematologists wasn't even she didn't even hesitate.
Speaker 4: She said, this is a vaccine injury.
Speaker 5: And what we didn't realize was that and the subsequent
Speaker 5: vaccines that we were told wouldn't be a big deal,
Speaker 5: it would be you.
Speaker 4: Know, there was no risk wasn't true.
Speaker 5: And he regressed severely, losing all the skills he once
Speaker 5: had and developing all kinds of biological and physiological issues
Speaker 5: that later became diagnosed as severe autism. And for those
Speaker 5: who don't know what severe autism is, it's not what
Speaker 5: you see on TV or shows where they're neurodiverse or
Speaker 5: something like that. This is profound neurological injury. And that
Speaker 5: meant he had rashes all over his body, sometimes huge
Speaker 5: sores he had. He would push his head on the ground.
Speaker 5: He would cover his ears, he would wail in pain.
Speaker 5: He would have massive seizures. He was constantly eating and drinking.
Speaker 5: He was obsessed with all sorts of different things. He
Speaker 5: would run around in circles. He would he always wanted
Speaker 5: things in his hands, sticks or rocks in his hands.
Speaker 5: He would he couldn't sleep, he wanted to. He couldn't
Speaker 5: wear clothes. He was always trying to be naked. In
Speaker 5: my times, he would clothe them. He would elope for
Speaker 5: those who don't know what eloping, it means to run
Speaker 5: away without any fear of danger. So he would run
Speaker 5: in front of traffic, he would just dash off. At
Speaker 5: any time, he would elope and throw himself into bodies
Speaker 5: of water. We had so many near drownings and floods.
Speaker 4: Honestly, it was just two decades of torture for everyone.
Speaker 1: And he was unable to speak or control his body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then what happened Katie.
Speaker 5: Obviously, like anyone else who was dealing with something so traumatic,
Speaker 5: I lost hope. And I think that's understandable if you
Speaker 5: were in my situation.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine.
Speaker 5: And the verse growing up that I had always clung
Speaker 5: to was all things work together for the good of
Speaker 5: those who love God, who are called according to his purpose, which.
Speaker 4: Is Roman day twenty eight.
Speaker 5: But it got to the point I remember, I was
Speaker 5: because one of the other things that severe autism is
Speaker 5: is feegal smearing, and he would have chronic diarrhea and
Speaker 5: smear feces on everything five to eight times a day,
Speaker 5: and that's not an exaggeration, that's actually the number. And
Speaker 5: I was in despair, and I just got to the
Speaker 5: point where I just didn't think that it was possible
Speaker 5: for God to bring good out.
Speaker 4: Of all of this disaster around me, and.
Speaker 5: I was this had happened, This particular event happened when
Speaker 5: I was seven, when he was seventeen. And at the
Speaker 5: time I had become a single bomb because of course
Speaker 5: my ex husband was very abusive and when you know it,
Speaker 5: he didn't like autism. It's funny about that, and so
Speaker 5: he left and didn't bother to support us. So I
Speaker 5: was working three jobs trying to survive, and not glamorous jobs,
Speaker 5: by the way, really unglamorous. And I came home one
Speaker 5: day completely exhausted and had experienced a miracle. Now, what
Speaker 5: was going on around that time was I was getting
Speaker 5: my yoga certification because one of my jobs was working
Speaker 5: for a gem and they wanted me to teach yoga,
Speaker 5: so I had to go get yoga certified. And in
Speaker 5: this training they said to make an intention, which I
Speaker 5: thought was ridiculous. So I made my little vague statement
Speaker 5: in my head because I also knew that people don't
Speaker 5: want to hear your sad story, they really don't, And
Speaker 5: so I made my little general statement and I said it,
Speaker 5: and before I could even stop myself, the truth came out,
Speaker 5: which was, oh, and I would like bad things to
Speaker 5: stop happening. And they actually challenged me on that, and
Speaker 5: they said that good had just as much chance it's
Speaker 5: happening as bad, which I could know. You believe what
Speaker 5: you'd experienced, and that's what I've experienced. Why would I
Speaker 5: believe anything else? And they challenged me and they said
Speaker 5: that everything that you see around you, like, look at
Speaker 5: a table or a chair, and you think that's what's real. Right,
Speaker 5: that's what we do. We think that what's real is
Speaker 5: what we can.
Speaker 4: Touch and feel and see.
Speaker 5: And they said, what was it before it was a
Speaker 5: table or a chair, And the answer is, there was
Speaker 5: a thought.
Speaker 4: It was an idea.
Speaker 5: And then they said, well, if no one had ever
Speaker 5: thought of a table or chair, would it exist?
Speaker 4: And the truth is it wouldn't. It won't.
Speaker 5: It can't manifest itself. You have to think it, you
Speaker 5: have to believe it, you have to And this was
Speaker 5: profound to me. And it was in this moment that
Speaker 5: this miracle happened. And I was laying on the couch,
Speaker 5: had the blanket on, and Houston came and sat down
Speaker 5: at my feet, which at the time was strange because
Speaker 5: he would jump up and now make these booming noises,
Speaker 5: run back and.
Speaker 4: Forth, flap his hands.
Speaker 5: And here he was sitting perfectly still, and he reached
Speaker 5: over and he tugged at the blanket, just like you
Speaker 5: would to get someone's attention, with perfect intentionality, and he said, Mama.
Speaker 5: I opened my eyes and shocked, and he was looking
Speaker 5: directly in my eyes, which he had also never done
Speaker 5: except when he was a baby, and he said, I
Speaker 5: love you. And in that moment, I chose to believe
Speaker 5: in a miracle. And this is really the crux of
Speaker 5: the story that I want everyone to understand, is that
Speaker 5: our faith, our belief, has extraordinary power to bring about
Speaker 5: that which we want to believe. And so for five
Speaker 5: years I was believing in this miracle with nothing else
Speaker 5: except that moment. And then we learned about spelling, and spelling,
Speaker 5: for those who don't know, is a way to train
Speaker 5: the gross motor to begin to point to letters to
Speaker 5: you develop twenty six individual neural motor pathways so they
Speaker 5: can begin to spell out what they want to communicate.
Speaker 4: Sure, Sure, And he has.
Speaker 5: Sent first words that he spelled independently were in answer
Speaker 5: to the question if you could put any slogan on
Speaker 5: a T shirt what would it be?
Speaker 4: And he spelled in here.
Speaker 5: And that was the beginning of hope, real tangible hope.
Speaker 5: And I had to know.
Speaker 4: Who this, this.
Speaker 5: Son of mine was, And as we began to do
Speaker 5: these lessons and go through all that, I kept I
Speaker 5: was just boracious, like trying to, you know, find out
Speaker 5: who my son is. And he seemed to know everything.
Speaker 5: And when I say everything, I mean like he was
Speaker 5: spelling out.
Speaker 4: The Declaration of Independence like everyone.
Speaker 5: Right, And I'm confused because he's never been educated. He
Speaker 5: was kept in a self contained classrooms. He exhibited there
Speaker 5: were some little brief moments throughout his life where we're like,
Speaker 5: is there something else going on? But we didn't have
Speaker 5: anything tangible lasting to show us there was more. And
Speaker 5: here we finally had it. And so I no matter
Speaker 5: what I you know, lesson I did, he was. His
Speaker 5: knowledge was just vast and extensive, and so I finally
Speaker 5: asked him, how do you.
Speaker 4: Know so much?
Speaker 5: And I said, do you just have really good hearing?
Speaker 4: Which is laughing? He's answer wise, I can hear.
Speaker 5: Thoughts, and that is where I, of course, like anyone
Speaker 5: else who heard a statement like that, I asked, are
Speaker 5: you lying? And you said, you don't get the kind
Speaker 5: of gifts that I have if.
Speaker 2: You lie, right.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 4: So then I began to discover these gifts.
Speaker 5: And what it is, what base happened was the neurological
Speaker 5: injury de milinated the motor in his brain. And he
Speaker 5: was at such an early developmental stage, that is, he
Speaker 5: was still taking in the math, He still had the
Speaker 5: massive amounts of sensory synapses that we all do when
Speaker 5: we're born, and he was taking everything in both that,
Speaker 5: both the physical and the metaphysical, and being disconnected from
Speaker 5: his body. Of course, the inflammation prevented him from developing
Speaker 5: motor pathways to connect to his body, right, so he
Speaker 5: was left in his etheric body, developing more and more
Speaker 5: and more into his etheric his spiritual body, instead of
Speaker 5: his physical body. And the extent of that is extraordinary
Speaker 5: because the more they the more any of us believe,
Speaker 5: the more the veil opens, the more we see.
Speaker 4: So and that's what my son did.
Speaker 1: Well, what of these scientists who have studied Houston and
Speaker 1: your story, what have they come away with from this?
Speaker 1: And how does it relate to us being more than
Speaker 1: just a physical body? And the soul the humans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the very first thing that you've come to
Speaker 5: realize was the realization that I had back when I
Speaker 5: had that whole experience with my yoga intention, which is
Speaker 5: that thought is energy. The im material is just as
Speaker 5: real as the material. That's the first one. That's actually
Speaker 5: what E equals MC squared means that energy and matter
Speaker 5: are the same thing. They're just measured in different ways.
Speaker 4: And so if if our thought is.
Speaker 5: Real and it's and it's energy that it's it's actually
Speaker 5: going to obey the same laws of energy that's physical
Speaker 5: energy of phase, which is the very first being the
Speaker 5: law of conservation, which states that energy is never created
Speaker 5: or destroyed, it's only transferred, which is that's what's happening
Speaker 5: with our thoughts. Then you had his ability to sensibility
Speaker 5: to see things before they have Well, this is because
Speaker 5: you're operating in the spirit. You're not being limited by
Speaker 5: matter and time and space. So they're actually able to
Speaker 5: see things before they happen. They're actually able to be
Speaker 5: present with their spirit in a place that their body isn't.
Speaker 5: And that is what scientists are now conducting tests to
Speaker 5: actually demonstrate that this is a real, tangible ability that
Speaker 5: these individuals have, and the reason they can access it
Speaker 5: is because of the lack of motor neural pathways that
Speaker 5: connect them to their physical body.
Speaker 1: So you appeared on the Telepathy Tapes, the podcast, which,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, was number one on Christmas Day, and
Speaker 1: you kind of wrote the book because the Telepathy Tapes
Speaker 1: they chose purposely to avoid the spiritual dimension of yours
Speaker 1: in Houston's experiences, and you were our go ahead.
Speaker 5: Our book was Yeah, I'm sorry. Our book was actually
Speaker 5: written before the Celepithy Tapes. It was published in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty one. We were told when this podcast was released
Speaker 5: that it was going to be an accurate reflection of
Speaker 5: our story, and it was in the sense that it
Speaker 5: did portray the events accurately, but it left out what
Speaker 5: was the most.
Speaker 4: Important to us, which was God. It left out Houston
Speaker 4: being able.
Speaker 5: To describe Heaven and describe scriptures that he had never
Speaker 5: read literally as if she was witnessing them, not as
Speaker 5: if he had memorized them.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And that was the most important part of our story,
Speaker 5: was getting honor to God, who had never forsaken us,
Speaker 5: who had always been faithful to us, but because of
Speaker 5: our despair, he.
Speaker 4: Hadn't believed it.
Speaker 1: So believing was the first step that creative visualization some
Speaker 1: people might call it. But that faith that this could
Speaker 1: happen manifested itself in the physical reality, and that's exact.
Speaker 1: And thus we have the Book of Heaven, a story
Speaker 1: of hope for the outcast, the broken, and those who
Speaker 1: lost faith. Are these scientists still studying Houston?
Speaker 5: They are, and they of course have to kind of
Speaker 5: study in a way that science accepts that a pure
Speaker 5: you know, can be pure, you can be duplicated, like
Speaker 5: the test has to be able to be duplicated. So
Speaker 5: their rigor is much different than someone who's just experiencing
Speaker 5: it in their family. We don't have We don't put
Speaker 5: Houston through all the rigor that a scientist puts him through.
Speaker 5: And because of that, we actually experience much more than
Speaker 5: what the scientists experience because they are having to limit
Speaker 5: it to things they can actually test and prove in
Speaker 5: the physical world.
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious as a as a believing Christian
Speaker 1: and wanting to be in Heaven someday when my life
Speaker 1: is through. What does Houston? How has Houston described Heaven?
Speaker 3: Just curious?
Speaker 5: This is hysterical because whenever he first began to explain
Speaker 5: things to me. Of course, it like blew the little
Speaker 5: box I had of heaven up, right, I mean, like
Speaker 5: he said one he spelled out one sentence and the
Speaker 5: box was blown up.
Speaker 4: And I said, well, what do you mean what you know?
Speaker 5: I'm like, of course, I've got my little theology right
Speaker 5: that it's everything's supposed to fit my little theology box.
Speaker 5: And he turned to me and he looked at me
Speaker 5: with this look of almost pity, and he spelled out explaining,
Speaker 5: Heaven to you takes great elasticity. And so what we
Speaker 5: have to understand is that, first of all, the word
Speaker 5: of God, when you go and you look at these fantastic,
Speaker 5: incredible imagery that is in the Bible, that's true, that's accurate.
Speaker 5: He described angels with wings that literally covering their feet
Speaker 5: and covering their eyes, and still with wings that expanded out,
Speaker 5: and he said they were powered with what is like fire,
Speaker 5: but it's like emotion, that the emotion powers them. And
Speaker 5: he described the throne of God. He described the Robe
Speaker 5: of Christ. He described ray had in from the Bible
Speaker 5: from the Israelites, she rescued when she helped with us.
Speaker 5: She described how she is taking care of all of
Speaker 5: all the babies that she's there with babies, and she's
Speaker 5: helping care for all the babies.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I'm sorry, Ark, I know our time is
Speaker 1: up for this man. I could, I could do, I
Speaker 1: could do a whole show on this. Katie Asher, author
Speaker 1: of the Book of Heaven, a story of hope for
Speaker 1: the outcast, have broken and those who lost faith. Her
Speaker 1: son is Houston, and I'd love to catch up with
Speaker 1: you another time. Katie.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, God bless me too.
Speaker 4: Bye bye bye.
Speaker 1: Well now for something totally different. The wild Man is
Speaker 1: on next afternoons. I'm not sure what he's going to say,
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure we're in safe harbor.
Speaker 1: But he has promised to be a good boy and
Speaker 1: not a potty mouth. Since we're on a little little
Speaker 1: bit past nine thirty on this Monday night nightcap, it's
Speaker 1: the one and the only sports commando you are. You
Speaker 1: are going to watch your language, right, wild Man. We're
Speaker 1: on early absolutely yeah, all right, Wildman Walker here with
Speaker 1: us on seven under WLW. Obviously, the Steelers game is
Speaker 1: on right now, and so we really can't we're not
Speaker 1: allowed to describe the action as it's going on, and
Speaker 1: if people are really caring about it, they're not listening
Speaker 1: to us anyway. But you have some important historical notes
Speaker 1: about the Steelers playing at home that you wanted to
Speaker 1: share just in case.
Speaker 7: Well, I put down, Yeah, I put down a nice
Speaker 7: little wager this afternoon, because the Monday night football record
Speaker 7: for the Pittsburgh Steelers is something out of this world.
Speaker 7: Fifty five and twenty five. At home, they are thirty
Speaker 7: two and five. They haven't lost the Monday night games
Speaker 7: since nineteen ninety one. They in fact, have won twenty
Speaker 7: three straight Monday night football games.
Speaker 1: Well, and I got to go with.
Speaker 7: Aaron Rodgers and hit his experience and also the Steelers
Speaker 7: record against they used some Texans team that's gonna have
Speaker 7: a hard time playing in the cold because they're not
Speaker 7: used to that anyway, because they're usually in their comfort
Speaker 7: of their little cozy, dumb stating.
Speaker 1: So if the Texans do win the game tonight, it
Speaker 1: will buck tradition and history. So we'll we'll have to
Speaker 1: see that is still yet to be seen. We know
Speaker 1: we know what happened with the rest of the playoff
Speaker 1: games this week, and any reaction to any of these games.
Speaker 1: I thought it was particularly poignant that Justin Herbert was
Speaker 1: made to look like a rookie quarterback. Well, the second
Speaker 1: year quarter Drake may looked like the experienced playoff veteran
Speaker 1: in his first game yesterday for New England. Man, they
Speaker 1: just absolutely gave every indication of why they finished the
Speaker 1: season New England the way they did, and how strong
Speaker 1: they are as we go forward in the playoffs. Did
Speaker 1: you see it that way or not?
Speaker 7: Well, if you're an n fan and you like your playoff,
Speaker 7: that playoff games this weekend was was something you know,
Speaker 7: hard to believe because every game was entertaining.
Speaker 3: Well, the New game was entertaining.
Speaker 1: The New England game was entertaining, but it had the
Speaker 1: largest margin I think a victory of any of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sixteen to three, which was an incredible score. You know,
Speaker 1: New England came in as this high flying, high scoring team,
Speaker 1: but nobody scored a touchdown until the fourth quarter and
Speaker 1: it was New England and that was a big difference
Speaker 1: in the game.
Speaker 7: The most entertaining game I thought was the Bears game
Speaker 7: because they were down at one time, was it twenty
Speaker 7: twenty one to three? I believe when they came back.
Speaker 7: And then just seeing the Bears fans in the stands rejoicing,
Speaker 7: I mean, that was classy. All these people dressed up
Speaker 7: and they're you know, their gear, and guys dressed up
Speaker 7: like Ditka.
Speaker 3: They were going crazy.
Speaker 7: It's been a long time since the Bears have had anything,
Speaker 7: Bears fans have had anything to cheer about, and they've
Speaker 7: got another home game. I would I don't want to
Speaker 7: be going on the soldier field playing the Bears.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and that quarterback has made a habit
Speaker 1: of coming back this year. That's why the Bears are
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And you're right, I was rooting for
Speaker 1: Chicago over Green Bay uh in that game. But the
Speaker 1: rest of the games, what did you think? I mean,
Speaker 1: the Rams and Matthew Stafford looked pretty stout.
Speaker 7: At first of me was he was struggling a little
Speaker 7: bit because he hurt his finger, but then he shook
Speaker 7: it off, and then of course he throws those touchdown passes.
Speaker 3: I mean, Matthew Stafford and.
Speaker 7: Drake Kid, Yeah, Drake May those are the two guys
Speaker 7: right now. It's hard to pick who's the m VP.
Speaker 7: It's going to be one of them. It's going to
Speaker 7: be one of them. Yeah, I don't know who's gonna gonna,
Speaker 7: you know, eventually get the NOD, but that's your two
Speaker 7: MVP choices.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Rams game was interested.
Speaker 7: I don't got to see the first half because I
Speaker 7: was working in the Hill basket ball game, but you know,
Speaker 7: I got to see the some of the other games,
Speaker 7: and you know, I'll go back like I said, they
Speaker 7: were all entertaining everyone. You can't complain about. You cannot
Speaker 7: complain about any of the games if you're a football fan.
Speaker 7: The most entertaining to me, I'll stay with was the
Speaker 7: Bears coming from behind and beating the Packers because I
Speaker 7: think the Packers thought they had the game of the
Speaker 7: bag and they went to sleep, especially on defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the quarterbacks who have shined have shined in lieu
Speaker 1: of you know, are Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks and Patrick Mahomes that we have become
Speaker 1: accustomed to in the playoffs. And you know, as as
Speaker 1: a result of we we did have some fantastic wild
Speaker 1: card games over the weekend. Looking ahead, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know how the forty nine ers are going to
Speaker 1: do in Seattle.
Speaker 7: Good luck there, Good Sewks. Yeah, I can't have a
Speaker 7: root for the forty nine ers. I didn't like them
Speaker 7: winning that this the game last night, But that's where
Speaker 7: the that's where their season ends in Seattle. They're not
Speaker 7: They're not.
Speaker 3: They're not beat the Seahawks, no.
Speaker 1: Way out well anyway. I mean their benches, their locker
Speaker 1: rooms like a triage unit. It's like a mass shard.
Speaker 1: For God's sake. When I saw a kittle go down
Speaker 1: with the Achilles, I go, oh, there's no way they're
Speaker 1: winning this game. But they pulled another rabbit out of
Speaker 1: their hat. Wild man. You got to give them that.
Speaker 1: Whether you like them or not.
Speaker 3: I'll give it to them. But they're not beating Seattle.
Speaker 7: So Sam Darnold has, you know, got new life going
Speaker 7: going to the Northwest, and he's had a fantastic season two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what about Duke Tobin saying that we're fine,
Speaker 1: We're fine after a six and eleven missing the playoff
Speaker 1: season for.
Speaker 7: The waiting for you, I was waiting for you to
Speaker 7: get to that. That press conference is an hour and
Speaker 7: twenty minutes. I'll never get back the rest of my life.
Speaker 7: That was all much ado about nothing, nothing but nonsense.
Speaker 7: In fact, I was listening to it on the radio
Speaker 7: and it sounded to me if I closed my eyes,
Speaker 7: that was Mike Brown speaking, not Duke Tobin. I mean,
Speaker 7: the guy is a loan of Mike Brown, and I
Speaker 7: understand it. You know, they want to win, blah blah blah.
Speaker 7: But you know what, the fans have heard this for
Speaker 7: the last twenty years, that they want to win, that
Speaker 7: we want to do this, that we're disappointed.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't want to step up and prove it
Speaker 3: to us?
Speaker 8: Do something?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the team is worth Mike Brown is worth three
Speaker 7: point one billion dollars. I looked it up last night.
Speaker 7: Mike Brown is worth three point one billion dollars. And
Speaker 7: the thing the Beggers have got to do here, Gary,
Speaker 7: Jeff must say this slowly for you.
Speaker 3: When free agency starts the very first.
Speaker 7: Day, the Begers have got to jump in there and
Speaker 7: sign two guys right out of the gate.
Speaker 3: They can't be pussy.
Speaker 7: Footing around waiting for three or four or five days.
Speaker 7: They've got to jump in there. They should have their
Speaker 7: list of who they want and get two guys on
Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 7: DJ Reader is a free agent and he had another
Speaker 7: great season in Detroit, so possibly they could bring him
Speaker 7: back as a nose tackle. But they've got to jump
Speaker 7: in there and get two free agents the defensive side
Speaker 7: that can help this team. They've also got to sign
Speaker 7: Dalton Reisner, the guard that's to mems and Men's has
Speaker 7: already come out and said, I've got to have Dalton
Speaker 7: Reisner back here with me this past season.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're gonna sign him. If not, they are
Speaker 3: out of their freaking mind. And then when you go
Speaker 3: into the draft, and we've.
Speaker 7: Talked about this, whatever the pick is at number ten,
Speaker 7: you take the best athlete available.
Speaker 3: Really, you really do. You just have to.
Speaker 7: You don't know what's gonna be there and who if
Speaker 7: they're gonna turn out any good. But I would like
Speaker 7: to see them if it comes down in the draft,
Speaker 7: if there's a defensive player that can help immediately, not
Speaker 7: know we're gonna, you know, bring him along. They've got
Speaker 7: to be able to step in there immediately. But again,
Speaker 7: that free agency, Gary Jeff, when it starts, the Benkers
Speaker 7: are got to jump in there and sign two guys right.
Speaker 3: Out of the way. And what I hear out of
Speaker 3: what did I hear to do Tobin. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: free agency, you never know what you're.
Speaker 7: Gonna get, depend on where you're at, you know, if
Speaker 7: somebody else to do.
Speaker 3: It, I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1: Well hear that. What did you do with your phone?
Speaker 1: You sounded like you were underwater doing your impression of
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin there, But I heard basically what you said,
Speaker 1: and you're right, But Duke Tobin will sound like a
Speaker 1: clone of Mike Brown because guess who signs the paychecks
Speaker 1: unless he's using an auto pen like Joe Biden. I
Speaker 1: don't know what Mike Brown's check signing status is these days,
Speaker 1: but he is the owner and you've got to do
Speaker 1: what the boss says to do. So, I mean, did
Speaker 1: you expect Duke Tobin to be any more than just
Speaker 1: a mouthpiece for Mike Brown kind of his job.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Well, well, the way it was played up, Duke Tobin's
Speaker 7: going to meet the press, and everybody was thinking and
Speaker 7: of course he got softball questions from the media, which
Speaker 7: you know, that's not surprising because every media member is
Speaker 7: scared to death that they'll lose their lunch at their
Speaker 7: their free lunch everyff Angles home game.
Speaker 3: But that's the truth. It really is.
Speaker 7: They're afraid they'll lose their free lunch and their media
Speaker 7: credentials that ask any tough questions. And again the fans,
Speaker 7: the fans I think expected more out of Duke Tobin,
Speaker 7: but when he when he may address free agency, he.
Speaker 3: Danced around that, well, he danced around that.
Speaker 1: There's no question that there is immense pettiness in our
Speaker 1: major sports organizations towards the media here. And if you
Speaker 1: aren't just being a homer all the time, or not
Speaker 1: asking tough questions or asking tough questions, then they can
Speaker 1: just turn it off their hospitality and they're welcome that
Speaker 1: for you. And I just wish that they weren't so
Speaker 1: thin skinned, because it seemed like the Reds are that
Speaker 1: way too well.
Speaker 7: And this act would not play well in New York
Speaker 7: or Chicago or Detroit, but you know it plays here.
Speaker 7: And then do you think with one radio station or
Speaker 7: you think one TV station, but have the kahonas one
Speaker 7: time just go in and say, you know what, we're going.
Speaker 1: To ask the tough questions.
Speaker 7: Instead, they asked questions like well, what did you have
Speaker 7: for dinner? Or you know, just stupid stuff. Asking Joe
Speaker 7: Burrow what did he get for Christmas? And what's your
Speaker 7: best Christmas gift?
Speaker 3: I mean, what is that? What's got to do with football?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 7: Before I let you go, I got to talk about Redsfest.
Speaker 7: Fred's best is Friday and Saturday. Okay, I'm going to Friday,
Speaker 7: But here's what baffles meet. The Red's Hall of Fame
Speaker 7: inductees for twenty twenty six are Aaron Harang, Brandon Phillips,
Speaker 7: Lou Panela, Reggie Sanders. None of those guys are gonna
Speaker 7: be at Redsfest. What in the hell are they thinking
Speaker 7: that they don't bring these guys in now? Lou Panela, Okay,
Speaker 7: I'll give him a pass. The guy's almost eighty years old.
Speaker 7: Stuff for him to travel. But Reggie Sanders, what could
Speaker 7: he be doing? Aaron Harang and Brandon Phillips, they can't
Speaker 7: be at Redsfest to meet the fans.
Speaker 3: And if you looked at the.
Speaker 7: Alumni list of the red who are going to be
Speaker 7: at Redsfest, Skeeter Barnes who? How many Reds fans remember
Speaker 7: Skeeter Bond Who Skeeter Barnes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. I mean there's just some of
Speaker 3: those names on there.
Speaker 7: I mean, Barry Larkin's there one day, Sean Casey is
Speaker 7: there one day, Bronson a royal at least, but ron
Speaker 7: Oaster's not there. Ron Oaster lives in town. Todd Benzinger,
Speaker 7: he lives in town. He was on the ninety team
Speaker 7: sit with the Rondeo and they're not there. Come on, man,
Speaker 7: I mean, how good you drop the ball of something
Speaker 7: like this?
Speaker 1: Well, it's you know, it's kind of like the Bengals
Speaker 1: having a Ring of honor and then they're not. They're
Speaker 1: not footing the bill for tickets and for you know,
Speaker 1: transportation and accommodations for those people. The Reds are kind
Speaker 1: of similarly the same way. I don't know all the
Speaker 1: ins and outs and the buying, the scenes workings. Maybe
Speaker 1: they asked Phillips, Sir Sanders or Harangue, but they just
Speaker 1: wouldn't agree to come. Maybe the Reds didn't make it
Speaker 1: appealing enough for them to come.
Speaker 3: You don't know that. Well, that could be true. And
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what this.
Speaker 7: I won't reveal the player's name, but I talked to
Speaker 7: him last week and I asked him if he was
Speaker 7: coming in.
Speaker 3: He goes, he goes, they want you to do a
Speaker 3: lot for nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. So Reds fast is about the fans,
Speaker 1: and I would think that if these players are close
Speaker 1: by and they could make it, they would come for
Speaker 1: the fans if they're not going to come for the Reds.
Speaker 1: But the Reds definitely have a history, kind of like
Speaker 1: the Bengals, of not really fully honoring their former players
Speaker 1: or the players that they consider their greats in the
Speaker 1: Reds Hall of Fame, and they on it.
Speaker 7: We're gonna start with Wow, We're gonna start with ed Rouse,
Speaker 7: who was voted the greatest red I've already told you
Speaker 7: that you agree with me.
Speaker 3: They should have a statue.
Speaker 7: Of Ed Rouse out there on Crawsley Terrace, and why
Speaker 7: they don't It baffles me to this day. Voted the
Speaker 7: greatest Reds player in the first one hundred years, and
Speaker 7: he doesn't have a statue. But you have one of
Speaker 7: Joe Knuxall, and you have one of Ernie Lombardi, and
Speaker 7: you have one of Frank Robinson, and you have one.
Speaker 3: Of Ted Lezuski. I can't write.
Speaker 7: I don't recall Ted Klezuski won in any major award
Speaker 7: ever in his career.
Speaker 3: He had a lot of rons.
Speaker 7: He loved the fans loved them, but Ed Browse's a
Speaker 7: Hall of Famer and he's not being honored by the Reds.
Speaker 1: Oh say, Reds Fest this weekend. Make sure you get
Speaker 1: your tickets so you can see Skeeter Barnes National champions Wait.
Speaker 7: In fact, in fact, I'm going down early when the
Speaker 7: door's open, and I'm camping out at that table for
Speaker 7: Steter Barnes.
Speaker 1: Okay wild Man National Title College Football next Monday night.
Speaker 1: Indiana Miami. I mean, I think Miami's got a puncher's chance,
Speaker 1: but that's all. That Indiana team looks so solid from
Speaker 1: from the offense to the defense, to the special teams,
Speaker 1: and especially that coach Kurt Signetty.
Speaker 7: What do you think They're on a mission from God
Speaker 7: to win this title? And it will be almost like
Speaker 7: fifty years to the fifty years since another Indiana team
Speaker 7: went undefeated. That was the basketball Hoosiers Yunner Bob Knight.
Speaker 7: And I was in Bloomington that night that they beat Michigan.
Speaker 7: And you talk about a party, I mean I felt like
Speaker 7: it was that I was at the Reds World Series celebration.
Speaker 7: Indiana all has everything going for him right now.
Speaker 6: I mean that.
Speaker 7: Quarterback he's he's unstoppable and they're not getting cocky. And
Speaker 7: the coaches in Kacky, they know what they want to
Speaker 7: accomplish here and they got a chance to make history
Speaker 7: Gary Jeff becoming the first team in the playoff era
Speaker 7: to go sixteen and oh and I really think they'll
Speaker 7: do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I feel pretty confident about Fernando
Speaker 1: Mendoza and Kurt Signetti and the rest of that Indiana
Speaker 1: team taking it all. A week from tonight. I also
Speaker 1: saw that you were mentioning a youth hockey game in Hershey,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania that got a little out of hand, wild Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you saw the video.
Speaker 7: You can YouTube, but there was a youth hockey game
Speaker 7: in Pennsylvania and Hershey, Pennsylvania, Hershey, Pennsylvania. I've always wanted
Speaker 7: to go there and go to the factory. I've always
Speaker 7: wanted to go there. But yeah, a youth hockey game,
Speaker 7: A big, a big brawl between the teams broke out
Speaker 7: and it just went on and on. Were good for
Speaker 7: what I was watching a good three minutes. The parents
Speaker 7: didn't intervene, the officials didn't intervene, and I heard it
Speaker 7: like a week before they had another brawl like that.
Speaker 6: Good.
Speaker 1: They're just they're just didn't They're just they're just in
Speaker 1: training to be a future Cincinnati Cyclone. Wild Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yess.
Speaker 3: Hey, there was a goal There was the goalie.
Speaker 7: There was a goalie from one of the teams that
Speaker 7: came in like the not that breaking up, but just
Speaker 7: to crush these guys. This goalie looked like he was
Speaker 7: thirty years old. They come in and just knocked like
Speaker 7: six kids down like they were bullet pins.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's not a good sign. That's not a good
Speaker 3: sign of the sports.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, hockey is no uh no stranger to fighting.
Speaker 1: You know what they called wild man.
Speaker 3: You can't have the youth kids doing that wild man.
Speaker 1: You know what they called youth hockey and hershey the
Speaker 1: team what the hershey squirts?
Speaker 3: Get out of it, wild man.
Speaker 1: See you later.
Speaker 3: I get those every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Right, we're here to go to White Cat's.
Speaker 3: You'll get them all the time.
Speaker 1: Bye, See you later, The wild Man. On the Nightcap,
Speaker 1: we continue. Nils Grivillius is coming up just after the
Speaker 1: news at ten into our number two of his nightcap
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW, one of my new favorite guests
Speaker 1: is rejoining us. He is the author of The Last
Speaker 1: law Man, The Stories of a Private Detective. He's based
Speaker 1: out in LA private investigator with more than thirty years
Speaker 1: of experience conducting cases across all fifty states and around
Speaker 1: the world, and he joins us now. His trench coach
Speaker 1: is ready, and so are his skills, his incredible abilities
Speaker 1: to discern and to detect. Nils Gravillius, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 8: How are you well? I'm fantastic. I want to say
Speaker 8: hello to all your listeners, even the ones and see
Speaker 8: call me counterband. You know I'm an illegal alien in
Speaker 8: Covington and Cincinnati when I join your people on the
Speaker 8: radio here.
Speaker 1: Well, it's great to have you. I'll smuggle you in
Speaker 1: once again tonight. Nils, there are a couple of things
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, with all your detective experience,
Speaker 1: do you think that young Nick Shirley is a great
Speaker 1: detective for finding all this fraud that was happening in
Speaker 1: plain Sight and Minnesota.
Speaker 8: Well, Nick Shirley, this deserves the praise that he is getting.
Speaker 8: How about this? How great were those news organizations like
Speaker 8: Fox and CNN and whatever who could never follow up
Speaker 8: on this if it was so obvious that a twenty
Speaker 8: six year old kid with an iPhone could blow the
Speaker 8: whole thing apart in mere days and for years they
Speaker 8: completely ignored it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Fox was the first to go
Speaker 1: ahead and pick up on it after it had gotten
Speaker 1: so many views on on X or whatever that they
Speaker 1: couldn't ignore it anymore. But you're right, for the most part,
Speaker 1: mainstream media was either asleep at the wheel, or maybe
Speaker 1: they were getting some of them were getting a little
Speaker 1: cut of all that cash that was flowing out of
Speaker 1: the federal coffers into Minnesota and then into that mainly
Speaker 1: Somali community there. It's just amazing that the leaders in
Speaker 1: Minnesota may not be held accountable ultimately for this, and
Speaker 1: the blame obviously should go at least partially to them,
Speaker 1: especially especially gone By.
Speaker 8: I would agree with you if we were in the
Speaker 8: Cheney administration still, But this is this is what I'll say.
Speaker 8: The whole thing was obvious. The traditional media is driving
Speaker 8: their getaway car, and they do this over and over again.
Speaker 8: They will amplify stories harmful to one side and bury
Speaker 8: stories harmful to the other side. And we know which
Speaker 8: side is whitch.
Speaker 1: Don't we Yeah, primarily. Yeah, the mainstream media has been
Speaker 1: basically an arm of the Democrat Party in this country
Speaker 1: for years and years and years, I mean ever since
Speaker 1: the days of Cronkite.
Speaker 8: Almost Okay, so hasn't it inverted now? Isn't the Democrat
Speaker 8: Party part of the media?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it's the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: the mainstream media seems to be a fundraising arm for
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party with most of their reporting and stories.
Speaker 8: But the Democrats don't need Don Draper at Stirling Cooper
Speaker 8: to advertise for them as long as they have CNN, CBS, well,
Speaker 8: CBS less so now, but CNN, ABC, MSNBC, you know what,
Speaker 8: or they're calling themselves ease stage. You're correct. I think
Speaker 8: you're ownto something here. Man. You might be a detective yourself.
Speaker 1: ABC is one of the worst offenders. And you know,
Speaker 1: ms now is what they're calling themselves now because NBC
Speaker 1: kind of said, you know what, we really don't need
Speaker 1: that kind of bad press from your press, but abide awful,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 8: Yeah, ABC's awful. Ms now was the boil that NBC
Speaker 8: finally lanced. Okay, so they've been doing this for years.
Speaker 8: My belief is that that Pam Bondy, despite whatever criticisms
Speaker 8: people have of ours, is going to go great guns
Speaker 8: against this thing. In Minnesota. We're going to see the
Speaker 8: Republican Party, the traditional GOP, move at the speed of
Speaker 8: Dutch Elm disease and drag their feet, okay, and it
Speaker 8: will be up to voters to make the max. And
Speaker 8: you know that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: I love the reference to Dutch Elm disease with the
Speaker 1: movement of the Republican Party doing anything positive, which is
Speaker 1: why they could very well again lose in the midterms
Speaker 1: and lose control of Congress, which you know, the Democrats
Speaker 1: are a record low in approval, lower than the presidents certainly,
Speaker 1: and lower than the Republicans in Congress, but Congress overall,
Speaker 1: the approval rating is exactly what they deserve. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't even think I think it's higher than what they deserve.
Speaker 8: Probably well, okay, I think Horsemanure has a higher polling number,
Speaker 8: but what do I know?
Speaker 1: Who am I gallop right exactly? I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you too about these protests against federal law enforcement that
Speaker 1: have now taken the headlines away from the fraud. Do
Speaker 1: you think that that is any coincidence at all that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden these ice protests have risen up,
Speaker 1: and you have the woman who was you know, any
Speaker 1: loss of life is tragic. Let's start there. But secondarily,
Speaker 1: you have these ice protests now all around the country,
Speaker 1: anti ice protest with people are just These law enforcement
Speaker 1: people are just for the first time ever, been allowed
Speaker 1: to enforce the actual law that are on the books.
Speaker 1: And you know, as the author of the last law man,
Speaker 1: are there any law men left who can withstand the
Speaker 1: kind of George Sorow sponsored public scrutiny that is being
Speaker 1: brought to bear.
Speaker 8: Well, okay, sure, I have a couple of things to say. Gary.
Speaker 8: First of all, let's stop thinking of these people as civilians.
Speaker 8: You cannot identify an employer for this woman, Miss Nice
Speaker 8: or Miss Good or whatever her name was, who just
Speaker 8: got killed voluntarily in Minnesota. This is what they do,
Speaker 8: and you and I are paying for it. The money
Speaker 8: is coming out of our pockets. Partly, some comes from
Speaker 8: Soros and Reed Hoffman and people like that, but most
Speaker 8: of it comes through the NGOs that you and I fund.
Speaker 8: A homeless outreach, a drug addiction services, immigrant resettlement. All
Speaker 8: of that is cryptocurrency for the hard left. And if
Speaker 8: we took all that public money away from these people,
Speaker 8: these NGOs, there would be far less Marxist organization in
Speaker 8: our streets.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 8: Notice they never do this where they don't have partners
Speaker 8: in government. They have to have a performative partnering government
Speaker 8: that will not prosecute them for the crimes that they commit,
Speaker 8: the arson, the looting, the vandalism, the obstruction of justice.
Speaker 8: What is tim Palm, Timmy going to do with all this, Gary,
Speaker 8: He's going to do nothing. He's going to make a
Speaker 8: lot of noise about prosecuting this ICE agent, but he
Speaker 8: knows he has no cause of action against the man
Speaker 8: he was defending himself in the line of duty.
Speaker 1: You mentioned NGOs, and I've always wondered, Nils, how can
Speaker 1: it be a non governmental organization if it's getting federal
Speaker 1: tax dollars, if it's getting my money from the government,
Speaker 1: how can they call themself an NGO. I think if
Speaker 1: you call yourself an NGO, you how to be totally
Speaker 1: devoid and unable to get federal funding.
Speaker 8: Well, or that you should be completely neutral to politics.
Speaker 8: But that's not what they're doing. These are mercenary organizations.
Speaker 8: Of left wing politicians think of them as their form
Speaker 8: of blackwater. Stop looking at Antifa as college kids in
Speaker 8: Portland tuxedos and N ninety five masks. This is the
Speaker 8: Blue Klux Klan.
Speaker 1: Oh I love the Blue Klux Klan. Did you coin that?
Speaker 3: Just now?
Speaker 8: That's my portmanteau and I haven't copyrighted it, and I'm
Speaker 8: going to authorize you to distribute that all over the
Speaker 8: Ohio River Valley.
Speaker 1: Very very good. I love Blue Klux Klan. So is
Speaker 1: there a way now they're talking about there are Democrats
Speaker 1: talking about impeaching Christy Nome, the DHS Secretary, for merely
Speaker 1: instructing the agents of Ice to enforce the actual law
Speaker 1: on the books. Are they going to get any traction
Speaker 1: with this or is this just more noise making on
Speaker 1: the left.
Speaker 8: Well, if they retake Congress in twenty twenty six, expect
Speaker 8: them to to introduce articles of impeachment. And you know
Speaker 8: that Donald Trump has stones like paving stones, He's not
Speaker 8: going to allow it to happen. I'm going to point
Speaker 8: back to Secretary Dorcas Majorcus, who the guy letting all
Speaker 8: these people in, all these illegal aliens in Can I
Speaker 8: point something out about the Somali community. They are unlike
Speaker 8: other African immigrant communities. I've worked a law in Sub
Speaker 8: Saharan Africa. I know a lot of Africans from Ghana, Uganda, Rwanda, Rhodesia. No,
Speaker 8: I won't call it Zimbabwe, South Africa, et cetera, Kenya, Eritrea, Ethiopia.
Speaker 8: They're rugged individuals, they're entrepreneurial. They don't want to hand out,
Speaker 8: they want to hand up. And once they're here, they
Speaker 8: take foothold and run with the ball. They're all good men.
Speaker 8: But the Somali community seems to be as a warm
Speaker 8: eighty two percent on public assistance, almost as if they're
Speaker 8: a tapeworm that we've imported to clean ourselves out. While
Speaker 8: they virtue signal, the leftist, white, flabby white leftists in
Speaker 8: Minnesota virture signal about their immigrant community. Think that we
Speaker 8: need to work hard and fast to get rid of
Speaker 8: the ones who are a public charge, send them back
Speaker 8: to their home country so they can be a public
Speaker 8: charge in Somalia or wherever.
Speaker 1: Well. A big mistake was when they gave these people
Speaker 1: citizenship through temporary protected status, and that is extended from
Speaker 1: the Obama administration and perhaps before, but you don't get
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand Somalis in overnight and basically unvetted and
Speaker 1: let them fester and take over a whole community. I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole idea of immigration is supposed to be assimilating
Speaker 1: and becoming part of.
Speaker 8: The dult function. They're functioning as a terrorist state within our.
Speaker 1: Country right exactly.
Speaker 8: They arm ISIS and al Shabab and all these other
Speaker 8: militant groups. They send truckloads of money home through the
Speaker 8: Minneapolis airport every week. We need to pull apart their citizenship,
Speaker 8: the citizen is is them and eject them. We can
Speaker 8: do it. The provisions are in law. We just have
Speaker 8: to have people with stones enough to do it.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 8: Christy nom Donald Trump, Pam BONDI. I think they're tough,
Speaker 8: Tom Holman, They're all tough enough to do it. When
Speaker 8: you look at the Republicans in the Senate and Congress,
Speaker 8: we've got some weak sisters there, Gay, we really do.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 8: There are some Democrats who'd probably go along with this.
Speaker 8: I bet John Fetterman would go along with it.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, it's amazing. Ever since the stroke he
Speaker 1: seemed to have regained some semblance of sense. He's still
Speaker 1: a Democrat, But every time he speaks it is so like, yeah,
Speaker 1: matter of fact, common sense, which is what I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are craving in government, and it's
Speaker 1: so so much lacking in so many areas.
Speaker 8: What would Jeff do with this, this problem, this illegal
Speaker 8: alien problem in our country. I'm not sure what would
Speaker 8: what would what would Harry Truman do?
Speaker 1: What would you suggest that I know what?
Speaker 8: Hell they do? He would eject them, He would eject them.
Speaker 8: He would he would use the military to eject them.
Speaker 1: But because it's the go ahead, go ahead with with
Speaker 1: your your.
Speaker 8: Dwight, Dwight, David Eisenhower deployed paratroopers to Arkansas to integrate
Speaker 8: the Little Rock public schools in the fifties. Yeah, there's precedent,
Speaker 8: and precedent is law, okay, so that this can be done.
Speaker 8: It's the willingness the problem we have, as you've said,
Speaker 8: we have a willingness problem in Congress well.
Speaker 1: And is most of the resistance you mentioned all these
Speaker 1: other great leaders of the past. Is much of the
Speaker 1: resistance just because it's Donald Trump who sits in the
Speaker 1: White House and everything he does has to be terrible.
Speaker 8: You know, I think they'd do the same thing to
Speaker 8: Ronald Reagan. Uh, but Ronald Reagan was also cut from
Speaker 8: the same cloth as Donald Trump. He was just a
Speaker 8: little bit more polite. You know. Yeah, we've got a
Speaker 8: real problem within the GOP. You know, I can barely
Speaker 8: stand the GOP. And if the Democrats can ever summon
Speaker 8: the sand and forder to to create leaders like JFK again,
Speaker 8: I might be a Democrat again. But I don't see
Speaker 8: that on the horizon. I don't think JFK could get
Speaker 8: one percent of the Democrat vote today.
Speaker 1: Well, he's certainly not a Democrat. That's that would be
Speaker 1: a part of this party which is basically appealed so
Speaker 1: far to the left of their socialist mob that is uh,
Speaker 1: that is running seemingly uh the entire uh, the entire
Speaker 1: Congress and Senate.
Speaker 8: I mean right, the Party of Kennedy is now the
Speaker 8: Party of Oswald.
Speaker 1: Maybe go farther than that, the Party of Kennedy is
Speaker 1: now the Party of Khrushev.
Speaker 8: Seems like, yeah, exactly, I think I think you're correct, Garrett.
Speaker 8: You look at you. You've come up with another one here.
Speaker 8: You've outdone me.
Speaker 1: Nothing as good as Blue Klux Klan Nils. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Talking to Nils Gravillius from Gravillia's Detective Services, can you
Speaker 1: think of something just right off the top of your
Speaker 1: head that surprised you in one of your cases, something
Speaker 1: that maybe give me one instance of something that really
Speaker 1: stunned you when you looked into the case and it
Speaker 1: was something completely different than you had thought it was
Speaker 1: when you started. I don't know.
Speaker 8: Well. I was once looking at an organized crime ring
Speaker 8: that was licensing establishments with the laquor license, over ensuring
Speaker 8: them and then burning them. Wanted a time to collect
Speaker 8: insurance money, and the mayor of the city wanted this
Speaker 8: clamp down on And when I learned that the man
Speaker 8: behind the arsons, the primary investor in all these liquor licenses,
Speaker 8: was an organized crime figure, was represented by a lawyer
Speaker 8: who was also on the city fire commission. And I
Speaker 8: went back to the mayor and I said, one of
Speaker 8: your fire commissioners is the lawyer for the primary suspect.
Speaker 8: The mayor ignored me, and the arsons continued.
Speaker 1: Speaking of organized crime and arson and places burning down.
Speaker 1: Have you ever looked into the Beverly Hills supper club
Speaker 1: fire that infamously happened.
Speaker 6: Down in Kentucky.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually it's about the site of where the Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: Supper Club was is about a half mile from where
Speaker 1: I live.
Speaker 8: That's pretty amazing. I had a friend, or I still
Speaker 8: have a friend named Danny Sexton, it's from that part
Speaker 8: of Kentucky, who was a cavalry scout and first of
Speaker 8: the fifty eighth Infantry with me at Fort Benning forty
Speaker 8: odd years ago, and Danny narrowly escaped that fire. Danny
Speaker 8: Sexton is a fantastic man. He's her grandfather. Now, that
Speaker 8: sort of thing. I've never looked into the Beverly Hills
Speaker 8: Supper Club fire. I've read every Wikipedia entry on it.
Speaker 8: It's a pretty fascinating thing. And it compares sort of
Speaker 8: to the Dorothy May Hotel fire in Los Angeles in
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a place in Fort Mitchell right down
Speaker 1: the road that also was initially mob controlled that burned down,
Speaker 1: called the Lookout House, and that happened before the Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills Supper Club fire. But apparently the man who was
Speaker 1: running the business, the owner, was approached by the Cleveland
Speaker 1: mob which had originally established this place, and then sold
Speaker 1: it to him and he was making money hand over
Speaker 1: fist legally, legitimately, and they came to him and they
Speaker 1: insisted that he turned the business over to them, and
Speaker 1: when he refused, all these people are dead and the
Speaker 1: places burned to the ground. And then it was you
Speaker 1: want to talk about being looked over by governmental officials
Speaker 1: and just ignored in the state of Kentucky. It went
Speaker 1: all the way to Frankfurt and they said, oh, it
Speaker 1: was just an electrical fire. It was clearly our arson
Speaker 1: and everything that I've read, and it was all done
Speaker 1: by the mob and then covered up by the government officials.
Speaker 8: Well, the mob buys shares in whatever the power structure
Speaker 8: is to the greatest extent that they can. When you
Speaker 8: stay the Cleveland Mob, you're probably meaning Shang Draper and
Speaker 8: Danny Green, perhaps maybe Reuben Sterman, rubinstem you know who
Speaker 8: Ruben was.
Speaker 1: No, tell me about Ruben Steerman.
Speaker 8: He was probably the most prolific pornographer in the pre
Speaker 8: vhas area in terms of era, in terms of distribution.
Speaker 8: He owned a comic book warehouse in Cleveland, and with
Speaker 8: comic books he distributed smut, you know, the little three
Speaker 8: minute reels that you play in a coin operated machine.
Speaker 8: In a dirty booth in the back of a bookstore,
Speaker 8: that sort of thing, and felthy magazines and whatever, and
Speaker 8: his comic book enterprise was covered for the pornography. He
Speaker 8: made ten times money from the pornographers as he did
Speaker 8: the comic books, and it was the irs. It finally
Speaker 8: took him down. Richard Rossfelder brought I r S an
Speaker 8: FBI agency and I think in seventy six or seventy
Speaker 8: seven kicked the doors in and took the man into custody.
Speaker 8: He was protected by the de Cavo Kante found out
Speaker 8: of Rhode Island, which was a subset of the Patriarchus.
Speaker 1: Wow. I love being educated on this show. And you
Speaker 1: never you never failed to help me with that. Nils Gravillius.
Speaker 8: Thirteen. I went to Terre Hate and I interviewed a
Speaker 8: man who was probably involved in the assassination of Danny
Speaker 8: Green in Cleveland with a dynamite balm in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 8: He was involved, I believe in the assassination of a
Speaker 8: guy named Jack Molinas, who was a bookie and a
Speaker 8: former pro basketball player in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Amazing Nils Gravillius. The last lawman is the book out.
Speaker 8: Now, Nils. It's available for pre order. It's called The
Speaker 8: Last Lawman. It's my professional memoir. You can order it
Speaker 8: on Amazon. It'll be delivered in June, just in time
Speaker 8: direct Father's Day. It's four years in the Pinkerton Service,
Speaker 8: US Army counter Intelligence and of course our glorious infantry
Speaker 8: and Cavalry. I had a fantastic tom. I'm still running
Speaker 8: and gunning on the streets of Los Angeles here in
Speaker 8: my sixties, and I'm standing by for more action. Gary.
Speaker 8: I'm always standing by when next time you call me,
Speaker 8: let's talk a bit about the Pinkerton Service, because they
Speaker 8: operate in secrecy and a lot of people are completely unaware.
Speaker 1: Ah. That's a continuing education for me. Nils, thank you
Speaker 1: so much, and God bless.
Speaker 8: Stay safe and sency and say hello to all your
Speaker 8: listeners on both sides of the river.
Speaker 1: Young man, you got it doing it right now. Nils
Speaker 1: Gravilius joining us again. The Nightcap continues after News, which
Speaker 1: is next on seven hundred WLW. As we continue on
Speaker 1: this Monday evening, the Nightcap rolls on with Jeff Crueer
Speaker 1: from New Orleans, a man who is into ringside politics
Speaker 1: in big ways, and we'll get into that in just
Speaker 1: a moment. But Jeff, it's a pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 1: How are you, and happy New Year, Happy new Year.
Speaker 6: Great to be with you.
Speaker 9: Yes, it's going to be a better twenty twenty six,
Speaker 9: I'm predicting.
Speaker 1: I have felt that way ever since before the stroke
Speaker 1: of midnight on January thirty first, yeah, or December thirty first.
Speaker 1: I just had this incredible feeling that it's not just
Speaker 1: the political wishes of the Trump administration and his economic advisors,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like in every way, twenty six
Speaker 1: is going to be good, and I think part of
Speaker 1: that is going to be that the Democrats do not
Speaker 1: win back control of the House of Representatives. What do
Speaker 1: you think of the odds are that the Republicans can
Speaker 1: hang on?
Speaker 9: Boy, I'm praying because it would be just a disaster.
Speaker 9: If the Democrats take control, they'll do what they always
Speaker 9: do and impeach the president. In fact, he said it
Speaker 9: the other day, it's a meeting with House Republicans that
Speaker 9: he believes that's going to happen, that they're going to
Speaker 9: be teaching him again. So I'm just worried about the midterms. Obviously,
Speaker 9: the party out of power historically wins right, and the
Speaker 9: Reblicans have such a slim majority. I mean, man just
Speaker 9: died the other day, and you know, Marty Taylor Green resigns,
Speaker 9: so I mean it's just very, very slim majority. But
Speaker 9: here's what I'm predicting. I think they'll they'll be a
Speaker 9: better economy by the election. I think you'll see interest
Speaker 9: rates come down more. I think you'll have inflation under control,
Speaker 9: gas prices will be down. So I think we'll have
Speaker 9: that affordability factor which Americans have been looking for, and
Speaker 9: you know, I think which the Trump.
Speaker 8: Administration is delivering.
Speaker 9: Remember that unaffordability was due to Joe Biden and the Democrats,
Speaker 9: not President Trump.
Speaker 1: It's it's all in the messaging thing and how well
Speaker 1: they can market that message and get people to believe it.
Speaker 1: People just believe what they see. This instant gratification society
Speaker 1: we live in. They believe what they see right now,
Speaker 1: and if they don't see it getting any better within
Speaker 1: a week, well then it must suck and and we've
Speaker 1: got to change horses in the middle of the stream.
Speaker 1: But I believe that Bassent and Hasset are right when
Speaker 1: they say that twenty six by by June, we're going
Speaker 1: to start seeing the results of not only the continuation
Speaker 1: of the tax cuts, but also all of this money
Speaker 1: that has been pouring into the US economy since President
Speaker 1: Trump took office. I think it's about too and and
Speaker 1: inflation and energy prices are so key. When when President
Speaker 1: Trump said drill, baby, drill and talked about how important
Speaker 1: energy costs are when it comes to the entire economy,
Speaker 1: because we run on we run on fossil fuels, we
Speaker 1: run on energy, and it's gotta, it's gotta. The prices
Speaker 1: are going to come down. I know they are because
Speaker 1: I've already seen it.
Speaker 9: What what well And then you know what happened in
Speaker 9: Venezuela is just going to help us. The price continue
Speaker 9: to go down. And guess what we might be getting
Speaker 9: two thousand dollars tariff rebate checks that might be happening midyear.
Speaker 9: So there are a lot of good things that I
Speaker 9: think are going to be happening. You know, the tariffs
Speaker 9: were instituted, and that so called experts said that that
Speaker 9: was going to lead to high inflation, and that never materialized.
Speaker 1: As far as the rebate checks go, Jeff, nobody needs
Speaker 1: to buy my vote, I would rather see it go
Speaker 1: to reduce the debt. And now we're finding out that
Speaker 1: they're much there must there may be as much as
Speaker 1: one point seven trillion dollars in fraud, not just from
Speaker 1: the COVID scams and schemes, not just from Somali daycares,
Speaker 1: but from Medicare and medicaid. That one point seven trillion
Speaker 1: dollars would go a long way, although we're never going
Speaker 1: to get the money back to you know, doing something
Speaker 1: about that thirty eight trullion dollar debt we're all living with.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, DOSE was doing a great job on
Speaker 9: covering fraud and they.
Speaker 2: Randy Lundmok out of town.
Speaker 9: I think the Vice president talked the other day about
Speaker 9: having a special d o J Assistant Attorney General focused
Speaker 9: on fraud, and I think that's good. So yeah, I
Speaker 9: mean there's there's untold billion. Yeah, I think your state there,
Speaker 9: that's just right for it.
Speaker 1: You kind of you kind of faded out there, but
Speaker 1: I got the gist of it. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about since you were a New Orleans born and
Speaker 1: raised guy, I want to ask you about some recent
Speaker 1: history of your city, and I want to take you
Speaker 1: back to the jail break that occurred where all of
Speaker 1: those inmates got out and they eventually rounded up and
Speaker 1: the like. But do you know where that jail is
Speaker 1: and have they done anything about it? And howt how
Speaker 1: corrupt is the correctional system in the city in which
Speaker 1: you live.
Speaker 9: Well, one of the reasons why I believe twenty twenty
Speaker 9: six will be a better year is because twenty twenty
Speaker 9: five was so bad for New Orleans. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 9: we started with a terror attack and fourteen innocent people
Speaker 9: were killed. The guy drove down Bourbon Street and the
Speaker 9: police didn't barricade the street, so he was able to
Speaker 9: access it and kill fourteen people. And then we had
Speaker 9: a jail break. As he said, ten hardened criminals were
Speaker 9: able to escape and they rode on the wall. You know, lol,
Speaker 9: you know, too slow, too easy, I mean they were
Speaker 9: they just busted, busted through a toilet and had inside help.
Speaker 9: Ten of them were on the loose. One of them
Speaker 9: is finally caught months and months and months later. They
Speaker 9: got them all. But one thing the voters did do
Speaker 9: is they throughout the sheriffs. And there's a new sheriff
Speaker 9: who's has responsibility for the prison and the new Sheriff's
Speaker 9: got a lot more credential, and I think it's going
Speaker 9: to do a much better job.
Speaker 1: Well, New Orleans has traditionally been such a heavy Democratic stronghold,
Speaker 1: even when the rest of the state didn't necessarily go
Speaker 1: along with the politics of that. Do you see New
Speaker 1: Orleans changing at all as far as the electorate and
Speaker 1: the people that they are voting into power? Will it
Speaker 1: continue to be a Democrat stronghold? And will the the
Speaker 1: well chronicled corruption continue in that city? It seems it
Speaker 1: seems indem Yes, yes it will.
Speaker 9: Well, we are a red we are a blue island
Speaker 9: and a red sea. I mean Louisiana as a red state,
Speaker 9: and New Orleans is the progressive capital. And you know,
Speaker 9: we haven't elected a Republican mayor since eighteen seventy two.
Speaker 9: There are no no, there are no Republicans in office.
Speaker 4: None, zero, We don't have any.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's so bad.
Speaker 9: In the last in the last election, the Republican candidate
Speaker 9: for mayor, huh he got two percent of the vote.
Speaker 1: Jeez, but we had something like that. Well, see, Cincinnati
Speaker 1: is the same way. Ohio is a red state. Kentucky
Speaker 1: on the other side of the Ohio River is basically
Speaker 1: a red state, except in the state House in Frankfurt,
Speaker 1: where we have Governor Basher, who I called the boyd
Speaker 1: dictator during COVID and Cincinnati, I mean the guy who
Speaker 1: was the Republican running against the incumbent aftab pure Vole,
Speaker 1: which I enduringly call asshat pure evil.
Speaker 6: But the.
Speaker 1: Republican challenger was a local preacher, he owns a coffee shop.
Speaker 1: He is in the community all the time talking to people,
Speaker 1: and he got scant. I don't know if you even
Speaker 1: got two percent of the vote, Jeff, and it's Cincinnati
Speaker 1: is exactly the same way. But there seems to be
Speaker 1: a maybe because of reputation, just a CD underbelly feeling
Speaker 1: about New Orleans. Sometimes if you don't live there and
Speaker 1: you think about it from a national perspective, are we
Speaker 1: way off base.
Speaker 9: It's a great city to visit. I mean, we have
Speaker 9: wonderful hospitality, with the best restaurants in the world. There's
Speaker 9: so many fun things to do. We host a Super
Speaker 9: Bowl better than anybody.
Speaker 4: We got the Marti.
Speaker 9: Garol coming up in a few weeks and it's any
Speaker 9: of your listeners that have not been I recommend it's fantastic.
Speaker 9: So if you know where to go and if you're
Speaker 9: just careful, you can have a great time here. Unfortunately,
Speaker 9: we do have criminals that the Democrats don't want to
Speaker 9: put behind bars, and we've got liberal judges and a
Speaker 9: liberal da and we've got all these liberals and you know,
Speaker 9: their beliefs on criminal justice, very soft on crime, and
Speaker 9: those that have a law and order mentality just do
Speaker 9: not get elected, even conservative Democrats.
Speaker 10: So we're burdened by all this. And it's a you know,
Speaker 10: tale of two cities.
Speaker 9: You've got the wonderful attractions, all the great things you
Speaker 9: can do, and then you've got the problems. And in
Speaker 9: the corruption. Just to give you a little example of
Speaker 9: the corruption, two out of our last three mayors.
Speaker 8: Have been indicted.
Speaker 9: We've got we've got a mayor now who's just left
Speaker 9: office today. So a new mayor was inaugurated today who
Speaker 9: is another liberal Democrat. But the old liberal Democrat who
Speaker 9: just left is going to be going to trial over
Speaker 9: the next few months. And you know, the beat goes
Speaker 9: on one of the candidate, and it's for mayor was
Speaker 9: a former convicted city council member and voters chose did
Speaker 9: not choose him, but chose another woman who's a former
Speaker 9: broadcaster TV anchor, who is now going to be the mayor.
Speaker 10: But she's she was.
Speaker 9: Sworn in today by Kamala Harris, which gives you an
Speaker 9: example of where she's coming from, no doubt.
Speaker 1: So I remember famously Ray Nagan also found some legal trouble,
Speaker 1: the same that's the same Ray Nagan, who, of course,
Speaker 1: after Katrina, had they instituted vote by facts for mayor.
Speaker 1: I remember that, and we all saw what voting by
Speaker 1: mail did to the twenty twenty election. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: voting by facts being any more or stable, or efficient
Speaker 1: or actually legal, but that actually happened.
Speaker 10: Rain Egen was a disaster.
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know if you remember his speech
Speaker 9: where he vowed that New Orleans would remain.
Speaker 2: A chocolate city.
Speaker 8: Yes, he was. He was all.
Speaker 9: Worried that, you know, after Katrina, you'd have some of
Speaker 9: the African American populations maybe to have white folks come
Speaker 9: in here. And the demographics didn't change much and the
Speaker 9: politics didn't change much.
Speaker 10: So New Orleans is still a chocolate city.
Speaker 1: Well you have Louisiana, no stranger to corruption and flamboyant
Speaker 1: politicians going all the way back to Huey Long, the Kingfish.
Speaker 1: You have one of I would say, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite people in politics from Louisiana. And of course I'm
Speaker 1: speaking of the one and only Senator John Kennedy, who
Speaker 1: a treat He's a national treasure. What's the opinion of
Speaker 1: John Kennedy there in your state, Jeff?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's popular.
Speaker 9: People see him on Fox News all the time.
Speaker 8: He's someone who's.
Speaker 9: Comfortably ahead in his reelection. He's going to run again,
Speaker 9: I think, not in this cycle, but the next cycle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: The one who I think has got problems is Bill Cassidy,
Speaker 9: who is the rhino who voted to convict President Trump.
Speaker 9: And he's got some serious competition coming up in the spring.
Speaker 9: So Cassidy is I think unpopular. Kennedy is popular. So
Speaker 9: we've got a split Senate delegation here.
Speaker 1: I've got a friend who does a great John Kennedy impression,
Speaker 1: and maybe I can I can kind of approximate it
Speaker 1: and run this by you real quickly, if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: if you'll indulge me.
Speaker 8: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, Jeff, it's like this, I'd rather go to the
Speaker 1: butcher to find a good cut of steak. But AOC
Speaker 1: wants to stick your head up the bulls ass. He
Speaker 1: does the face and everything looks up. Well it's like this.
Speaker 1: But anyway, very colorful character and very much appreciate.
Speaker 8: What, no doubt what are you.
Speaker 9: We do have colorful politicians down here in Louisiana. Remember
Speaker 9: our former governor Edwin Edwards, I mean, you know, four
Speaker 9: times elected. I mean he ran against you know, KKK
Speaker 9: leader David Duke yep, and he famously said there's a
Speaker 9: similarity between David Duke and myself.
Speaker 8: We're both wizards under the sheep.
Speaker 10: I remember that.
Speaker 1: It was incredible. I think I borrowed that line at
Speaker 1: one time or another. So you you do a show
Speaker 1: called Ringside Politics. You're on twice daily on wgso.
Speaker 9: On in the morning, yes, on in the morning, seven
Speaker 9: to nine, in the evening, six to seven, correct.
Speaker 1: All right, And what are you going to be talking
Speaker 1: about in the next day or so on Ringsite?
Speaker 9: Well, we thought about the inauguration of the new mayor, okay,
Speaker 9: and how she was inaugurated by with Kama hass.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good President Trump. Can he do anything right?
Speaker 1: In the eyes of Democrats?
Speaker 11: Jeff no, I think, you know, I think it's an
Speaker 11: interesting question.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure.
Speaker 11: You know, Uh, we'll just have to just see.
Speaker 9: How things turn out, you know, will be of course.
Speaker 9: And what do we do on my show is you
Speaker 9: know we follow all this stuff very closely he can,
Speaker 9: and you know, we're examining it from every angle. And
Speaker 9: I mean this is never adult day. I mean we
Speaker 9: got so much, I mean, from the New Orleans, Louisiana corruption,
Speaker 9: the politics, what's going on nationally. Donald Trump gives us
Speaker 9: so many topics each and every day. I mean, it's just,
Speaker 9: I mean it never ends. Were you, it's just every day,
Speaker 9: every day we're just overloaded.
Speaker 1: Were you personally in favor of sending uh some federal
Speaker 1: law enforcement help to New Orleans as a president has
Speaker 1: done in other cities?
Speaker 8: Yes? And yes?
Speaker 1: How I mean was that ever allowed to happen fully?
Speaker 10: Or?
Speaker 1: I know there was an uphill battle about that everywhere you.
Speaker 6: Know, our liberal, our liberal.
Speaker 9: You know, uh and the city council were against it. Yeah,
Speaker 9: they they didn't want it. But the governor, who's a
Speaker 9: Republican supported Jeff Landry, who's now the special envoy to Greenland.
Speaker 9: And yeah, so we got help down here. Ice came
Speaker 9: down and they got outside of these folks they needed
Speaker 9: to be removed. And we've got the National Guard here
Speaker 9: through Marti Gross which is on the seventeenth of February.
Speaker 9: So you know, we got three hundred and fifty National
Speaker 9: Guard soldiers who were supplementing.
Speaker 2: The police, and the police need.
Speaker 9: Help because they're only nine hundred officers. Were six hundred
Speaker 9: officers short of what.
Speaker 8: We should be.
Speaker 1: Wow, is that because you can't hire them? Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to do the job. Is this part of some great
Speaker 1: defunding reimagining effort by the local city government? Six hundred office.
Speaker 9: They liked to hire them, they'd like to hire them,
Speaker 9: you know. But after the George Floyd and the defund
Speaker 9: the police, I mean, you had departments all over the
Speaker 9: country that lost officers, and we were no exception. And
Speaker 9: then we've had what's called a federal consent decree, so
Speaker 9: our police department has been run by the federal government
Speaker 9: for a few years because there were so much corruption,
Speaker 9: you know, mismanagement and problems with the officer behavior. We
Speaker 9: finally got that lifted. So bank goodness of Trump administration
Speaker 9: lifted the federal consent decree. So now the NPD, the
Speaker 9: Orange Police Department can run themselves, and I think that'll
Speaker 9: help them recruit some more officers because they have a
Speaker 9: good salary. I mean, they're paying decent salary. We're competitive
Speaker 9: with the surrounding area. So I'm hoping we'll be able
Speaker 9: to get some more. And you know now that the
Speaker 9: corrupt mayor who is indicted is leaving the new mayor
Speaker 9: who makes a better presentation and is a great communicator,
Speaker 9: but she's a liberal, maybe there'll be more people that
Speaker 9: want to come work for the NPD, I hope.
Speaker 1: So how are carjackings.
Speaker 9: Steady business for carjackers? But I think it's it's not
Speaker 9: at the height. I mean, we were the crime capital
Speaker 9: of the nation in twenty twenty two. We've actually shown
Speaker 9: some progress since then. So I will give credit to
Speaker 9: the governor because he sent a continuing in the state
Speaker 9: police down here to help you in OPD and that's
Speaker 9: helped us bring the crime rate down significantly.
Speaker 1: Well, fantastic. I wish you a prosperous and safe twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six and have a good show, and we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you soon, I hope. Jeff Crueer Well.
Speaker 9: From New Orleans I'm here whenever you need me.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Thank you.
Speaker 8: Sir.
Speaker 1: Ringside Politics as his show, and he has a YouTube
Speaker 1: show as well. Look for Cruere and mind your Piece
Speaker 1: and q's and eat your gumbo. Darn it more of
Speaker 1: the Nightcap. Just add on seven hundred WLW Hey January twelve,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. And joining us now on the telephone
Speaker 1: is doctor Kazim Kaseronian. He's a professor of mechanical engineering
Speaker 1: at the University of Connecticut, served as dean of the
Speaker 1: College of Engineering there from twenty two well to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, and a member of the Free Iran Scholars Network.
Speaker 1: A passionate advocate for democracy and human rights, Doctor Caseronian
Speaker 1: also an expert on Iran and the Middle East, and
Speaker 1: there of course is so much focus on what is
Speaker 1: going on inside Iran right now and what may very
Speaker 1: well be happening in the near future to that theocratic
Speaker 1: reign that the Iatolas have had an iron grip on.
Speaker 1: It looks like the grip is slipping, and there were
Speaker 1: people like doctor Kaseronian who are are anxious waiting for
Speaker 1: a change in their home country. Doctor Kazeronian, welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It is wonderful to be with you today.
Speaker 1: So you've been in this country obviously for a long time.
Speaker 1: When did you When did you leave Iran? Did you
Speaker 1: leave when the government fell, the Shah's government, or how
Speaker 1: long have you been in America?
Speaker 2: So about two months prior to that. It has been
Speaker 2: now forty eight years that I have been in this country.
Speaker 8: And I left.
Speaker 2: Iran as a student two months before the revolution, and
Speaker 2: right after the nineteen seventy and seventy nine revolution, my
Speaker 2: wife and I became political refugees in this country and
Speaker 2: could not go back anymore simply because you were opposing
Speaker 2: the theocratic dictatorship that was being established then.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had gone back, a good chance
Speaker 1: you'd probably be in prison or killed.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Our name has been actually on the list that
Speaker 2: leads to exactly that. Yes, So all of that because
Speaker 2: you were demonstrating in Chicago. That's where my wife and
Speaker 2: I students in Chicago against and the regime against them,
Speaker 2: taking American hostages against them, basically suppressing, very brutally suppressing
Speaker 2: opposition inside Iran.
Speaker 1: Now, there have been all kinds of rumors unsubstantiated that
Speaker 1: because of the unrest within Iran of the people rising
Speaker 1: up against this theocratic dictatorship, that maybe the Ayatola has
Speaker 1: fled or the Mullas are fleeing. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: see that as being part of what's going on right now?
Speaker 1: Is it possible that actually the people who have held
Speaker 1: that iron grip for all these years are now turning
Speaker 1: and running and hiding.
Speaker 2: So there are a few things that I can definitely
Speaker 2: cite as facts. One is that the fear has shifted.
Speaker 2: The fear has shifted from people on the street to
Speaker 2: the regime itself. And basically we are seeing that the
Speaker 2: resistance units on the streets of Tehran as well as
Speaker 2: the people, are attacking postar On, which is the revolutionary
Speaker 2: gods of the current regime, and they're attacking them. They're
Speaker 2: attacking their strongholds, they are attacking their bases, they're taking
Speaker 2: their cars, they're burning their signs, they're burning their buildings.
Speaker 2: So certainly there is there are elements within the current
Speaker 2: Iranian army, the regime's army, revolutionary guards, that are putting
Speaker 2: arms down and fleeing, and the Dietolas themselves they're ruling.
Speaker 2: They're ruling class has been stealing the riches of the
Speaker 2: country and sending it abroad, creating a ness for themselves
Speaker 2: getting ready for days like this, this, this this uprising
Speaker 2: that we are right now. I believe on day sixteen
Speaker 2: of No it was we could clearly see that this
Speaker 2: is coming. Not not the date and not the spark
Speaker 2: that has started it, but it was very well expected.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this this time it's going to
Speaker 2: lead to a total collapse of the regime or not,
Speaker 2: but it's certainly moving in that direction. And I would
Speaker 2: say that the factors, both the international factors as well
Speaker 2: as the internal factors, have have lined up. Of course,
Speaker 2: there are impediments. Of course, there are challengers, and we
Speaker 2: can talk about what they are. But certainly we are
Speaker 2: moving in a direction that my family and I have
Speaker 2: been hoping for nearly fifty years now.
Speaker 1: Amazing is and most of the most of the unrest
Speaker 1: right now more in just revolting because the economy is
Speaker 1: so is collapsing and people can't. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: famous saying in this country when it comes to our elections,
Speaker 1: it's the economy stupid. Is this having as much to
Speaker 1: do with what's going on right now? The current uprising
Speaker 1: as any opposition to the theocratic rulers, it.
Speaker 2: Is undoubtedly a critical element of it. Now that the
Speaker 2: economy is in total collapse, the environment is also in
Speaker 2: total collapse. There is a bankruptcy of water inside.
Speaker 6: Iran all the way Iran.
Speaker 2: There are basically the agriculture has come down to a
Speaker 2: halt because of lack of water. Because mismanagement of water resources,
Speaker 2: there is a total shortage of fuel for cars and
Speaker 2: energy for houses. And under top of that, the suppression
Speaker 2: of personal freedoms for people, political freedoms for for everyone,
Speaker 2: undrest in the universities because they lacked They lack the
Speaker 2: freedom and the autonomy that academic environment should have. Everything
Speaker 2: has lined up. At the same time, the Iranian regime
Speaker 2: have lost its ability to negotiate on the nuclear stuff
Speaker 2: for for obvious reasons. For because they have they have
Speaker 2: lost their new new the atomic bomb production capability. At
Speaker 2: least for now, they have lost their You know, Iran,
Speaker 2: we have been referring to it as the head of
Speaker 2: the snake, and they have lost their proxy forces in
Speaker 2: the region.
Speaker 12: With being in leven b in Lebanon, in in in Asa,
Speaker 12: in in Graza and and other those areas being in
Speaker 12: mn or Afhanissant or Iraq.
Speaker 2: They have lost their regional power. So the Iranian regime
Speaker 2: is at its leakest possible point, and the people and
Speaker 2: the people's uprising has been is right now in the
Speaker 2: in the most powerful position they have been in the
Speaker 2: last fifty years.
Speaker 1: I know that there are a lot of Iranians, such
Speaker 1: as yourself, who are in this country who are part
Speaker 1: of UH I don't know. I've talked to a couple
Speaker 1: of people who are part of the government in absentia
Speaker 1: waiting for the Ayatolas to leave and the regime to
Speaker 1: collapse completely, to go back. What would be your hope
Speaker 1: if that does happen? If the regime collapses, the Iranian
Speaker 1: Republican Guard lays down their weapons against the people. That's
Speaker 1: that's always the danger. That's always a real flash point
Speaker 1: in world history. When a brutal dictatorship that has an
Speaker 1: iron fist over the people does finally collapse. In that vacuum,
Speaker 1: sometimes there is something formed that's just as bad or worse.
Speaker 1: So I mean, is what is your hope, doctor Caseronian?
Speaker 2: So to begin with your last world, I can't imagine
Speaker 2: anything worse than the characters in However, however, basically probably
Speaker 2: about two years or two three years right to the
Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventy nine revolution, a coalition, a democratic
Speaker 2: coalition was formed under the name of National Council or
Speaker 2: Resistancy of Iran. That coalition is a coalition of many
Speaker 2: political organizations and non individual politicians, artists, university professors are
Speaker 2: probably hundreds of them. And that coalition stands for a secular,
Speaker 2: democratic republic in Iran. And I want to emphasize each
Speaker 2: one of these wars. It needs to be democratic. People
Speaker 2: need to be able to vote their own government and
Speaker 2: their own rulers. It needs to be secular. There has
Speaker 2: to be a total separation of religion and the government.
Speaker 2: People should be able to freely practice their own religion.
Speaker 2: And it has to be republic. Because the era of
Speaker 2: monarchy and kings and sons of kings and being in
Speaker 2: power because your genes dictate that are passed and it
Speaker 2: has always been a disaster. Actually, we have Homini because
Speaker 2: we had Shaw prior to that, and because of his
Speaker 2: brutal suppression of the intellectuals and the universities and political opposition,
Speaker 2: we ended up with Comany. We don't want to go
Speaker 2: back to it that I'm talking about this, I will
Speaker 2: be a messive. I don't mention that one of the
Speaker 2: challenges that the people of Iran have right now is
Speaker 2: smoky screens that are created by opportunistic forces that that
Speaker 2: all they do is muddy up the waters. They don't
Speaker 2: have coalitions, they don't have plans for Iran, and and
Speaker 2: top among this list of opportunistic forces is the son
Speaker 2: of the old Shah who is now suddenly back from
Speaker 2: vacation and then from fifty years sixty years are enjoying
Speaker 2: the riches of the country that his father took and
Speaker 2: is claiming is claiming leadership, and that that would be
Speaker 2: a disaster for the Iranian people. He's a figure that
Speaker 2: is hated inside Iran, but there are there are some
Speaker 2: mouthpiece is and there are some special interest groups that
Speaker 2: are pushing him. So that is one thing that I'm
Speaker 2: when I have an opportunity to talk to American people
Speaker 2: and through them to American politicians, emphasized that listen, Iranian
Speaker 2: people should have the opportunity to rule themselves, should have
Speaker 2: an opportunity to practice democracy, should have an opportunity to
Speaker 2: choose their own leaders. So we do not want to
Speaker 2: go back to monarchy. We do not want the current regime.
Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Casaronian, and again he is a
Speaker 1: professor of engineering at the University of Connecticut. You've been
Speaker 1: there for a while. Did you receive engineering training when
Speaker 1: you were before you left Iran? Did that happen all
Speaker 1: when you came to the United States.
Speaker 2: I thought that my engineering training in Iran, but that
Speaker 2: was about two three years before the revolution, and at
Speaker 2: the revolution time, a couple of months actually before that,
Speaker 2: because the universities were shut down. My wife and I
Speaker 2: left Iran the booth engineering a students and to continued
Speaker 2: our studies at the University of Illinois.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fantastic. I wanted to I wanted to
Speaker 1: also ask you, is there is there a really strong
Speaker 1: Islamist kind of feeling among the people in Iran? I mean,
Speaker 1: would they continue those policies that the Iotolas have brought
Speaker 1: forth in the Middle East? Uh, the the continued death
Speaker 1: to Israel, death to America kind of sentiment that we've
Speaker 1: seen in in these Islamist strongholds. I mean, what what
Speaker 1: is what is the people's mindset in Iran who aren't
Speaker 1: part of the government.
Speaker 2: So it is actually a wonderful question, and I'm happy
Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to correspond to that. Like any
Speaker 2: other community, like any other society, like American society, there
Speaker 2: is a broader spectrum of people, people who are religion religious,
Speaker 2: and people who do not practice religion, and that there
Speaker 2: are all sorts of gray areas in between them.
Speaker 8: So is Iran.
Speaker 2: Homini represents a very small faction of the Iranians, a
Speaker 2: very very small of the Iranians who are so fundamentalist
Speaker 2: and who are so radical in their beliefs and have
Speaker 2: very skewed ideas and interpretations of what the religion is.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that you can find small radical factions
Speaker 2: like that in any other religion. They do not present
Speaker 2: the Iranian people. And actually, if you ask me, I
Speaker 2: don't even think that they are musclim There are good
Speaker 2: religious people. They are Muslims simply because the prostitution in Iran,
Speaker 2: for example, is controlled and run by the revolutionary guards.
Speaker 2: They're smuggling of drugs, they're smuggling of alcohol in Iran,
Speaker 2: although if they catch someone with these things probably the
Speaker 2: punishment is severe, goes all the way to execution is
Speaker 2: controlled by the current regime. These these are a bunch
Speaker 2: of thiefs and thiefs and and dogs that are running
Speaker 2: the country. And I think that for for now they
Speaker 2: have found religion to be a good instrument too to
Speaker 2: advance their ill wills, and and and before and and
Speaker 2: beyond the Iran they they export this ideology to Iraq,
Speaker 2: to to the whole region, to Iraq, to to Lebanon,
Speaker 2: to Panistan, to Yemen, to all those other areas, to Turkey.
Speaker 2: So if Iran, if he ran, if hern experiences democracy,
Speaker 2: we're going to see a tsunami of democracy in the region.
Speaker 2: You're going to just imagine how much has been the
Speaker 2: cost of fighting fundamentalism to the West, to United States,
Speaker 2: for in particular, how much have we as taxpayers in
Speaker 2: America have paid for fighting fundamentalists, fundamentalism in Iran and
Speaker 2: its impacts in the region. By getting rid of that,
Speaker 2: we actually, you know, there would be such a welcome
Speaker 2: chance into the whole world. We're going to feel the
Speaker 2: ramifications of that everywhere. And then I should also indicate
Speaker 2: that the Iranians are not asking for American boots underground
Speaker 2: or any boots underground. They're not asking for weapons, they're
Speaker 2: not asking for arms. They're not asking for money. All
Speaker 2: they're asking is for the rest to recognize their rights
Speaker 2: to resist and as and and as such, implement policies,
Speaker 2: implement sanctions against the current regime, the revolutionary guards, and
Speaker 2: anyone who is affiliated with that, and and and and
Speaker 2: truly truly respect those sanctions.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the current American administration has been doing
Speaker 1: that because him for uh the last year, and they've
Speaker 1: been very clear that they're going to enforce those sanctions.
Speaker 1: To cut off already and oil is to cut off
Speaker 1: the money supply which which they import their murder and
Speaker 1: mayhem the rest of the Middle East. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: always that way. The former administration seemed to, I don't know,
Speaker 1: almost encourage Iran to continue that that kind of activity
Speaker 1: in that part of the world.
Speaker 2: You are, I couldn't agree with you more. The policy
Speaker 2: of appeasement that we have experience, appeasement of the Iranian
Speaker 2: regime that we have experienced over the last I would
Speaker 2: say thirty years have been disastrous, not only disasters for
Speaker 2: the Iranian people, but disasters for the whole world. And
Speaker 2: it has been welcome by the Iranian rulers. I am
Speaker 2: so delighted to to know that President Trump is serious
Speaker 2: about the sanctions, is serious about change in Iran, is
Speaker 2: serious about holding the Iranian rulers accountable for their crimes.
Speaker 2: At the same time, No, there's always this this worry
Speaker 2: incite me that if something might change and we may
Speaker 2: go back to the policies of appeasement.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. You know, Barack Obama famously went on
Speaker 1: his what they called an apology tour when he took
Speaker 1: office in the Middle East, and all of the money
Speaker 1: that was sent to Iran and the the nod in
Speaker 1: a wink to their nuclear program and everything else that
Speaker 1: was done. This had to be undone in the last
Speaker 1: year of President Trump's second term, and you know, he
Speaker 1: did a lot during his first term, and then that
Speaker 1: was all unwound by Joe Biden in his administration. So
Speaker 1: I think that we're seeing a positive foreign policy towards
Speaker 1: Iran now, and it's it's actually pro Iranian people, but
Speaker 1: against the Iranian regime. And that's the important distinction we
Speaker 1: all have to make.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yes, and I appreciate the distinction. Know that, you know,
Speaker 2: you mentioned President Barack Obama. I remember that there was
Speaker 2: a major uprising when he was in the office in
Speaker 2: the United States and people sent on the street where Obama, Obama,
Speaker 2: are you with them or US? I'm translating it to English,
Speaker 2: but this was the chance, are you with them? Them
Speaker 2: being the Onion regime or US? And and unfortunately he
Speaker 2: ended up with them, and as you said, provided them
Speaker 2: a ton of money as a life, as a lifeline
Speaker 2: to survive, and they did survive, and they did glorish
Speaker 2: because of that support. That that must have stopped. Two
Speaker 2: things I would I would appeal to American politicians and
Speaker 2: two things. One is that the appeasement does not work
Speaker 2: inside the government inside Iran. There are no rules there.
Speaker 6: There is no one.
Speaker 2: That that could come out and suddenly become democratic after
Speaker 2: fifty years.
Speaker 1: And what's what's the What's the second thing, real quick, doctor, The.
Speaker 2: Second thing is that the shaw has the Sun is
Speaker 2: not an alternative for the Iranian people. Right, don't don't
Speaker 2: fall for it. We made that mistake in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 2: We paid the price for about eighty years. Now, don't
Speaker 2: repeat that.
Speaker 1: Doctor Kazim Caasaronian, thank you so much for your time,
Speaker 1: and I pray that your country returns to the world
Speaker 1: of civility.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, and it was wonderful to be
Speaker 2: on your show.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for being here. I appreciate your time. JT.
Speaker 1: Young will close out the Nightcap in just a few minutes.
Speaker 1: On the Nightcap on seven under WLW our next guest
Speaker 1: is a repeat offender. I mean he's a repeat cat.
Speaker 1: He's not an offender. He has been on the program
Speaker 1: multiple times and we always have him back, but because
Speaker 1: he's one of the most thoughtful writers on politics and
Speaker 1: opinion in the country and current events, and he is
Speaker 1: back for another bite at the Apple tonight and we're
Speaker 1: so glad to have him back. JT. Young, Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show. How are you.
Speaker 10: I am fine, Gary, and it's great to start a new.
Speaker 6: Year with you.
Speaker 1: A couple of a couple of articles that we'll start
Speaker 1: with here in the Conversation on Blaze Media, and you
Speaker 1: can find JT. Young's work on Substack and often on Blaze.
Speaker 1: The fraud that thrived under Democrats in Minnesota and the
Speaker 1: no questions asked rule that was at work in that
Speaker 1: state apparently for a long long time, and especially under
Speaker 1: the reign of the current governor, Tim walls. As you write,
Speaker 1: you start, Democrats bear clear responsibility for Minnesota's spiraling federal
Speaker 1: program payment scandal. Either they failed to conduct meaningful oversight
Speaker 1: of billions in public funds over many years, or they
Speaker 1: conducted none at all. Their early response to the scandal
Speaker 1: explains why they subjected its perpetrators to an unconscionably low
Speaker 1: standard of scrutiny, and I think that is becoming more
Speaker 1: and more apparent by the day. JT. What is troubling
Speaker 1: is I just talked to a friend last night who
Speaker 1: lives out in Colorado, but she's got very good friends
Speaker 1: she's known for like twenty five years, who live in Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: about actually about three miles away from where the ice
Speaker 1: protests were being conducted over the weekend, And they said,
Speaker 1: sure they knew about the scandal. Nobody seemed to care.
Speaker 1: So I mean, at a certain level, yeah, the Democrats
Speaker 1: bear responsibility, But the people who elected them, who apparently
Speaker 1: don't care that billions of tax dollars, federal tax dollars
Speaker 1: went out the door by fraudulent means, Apparently the citizenry
Speaker 1: doesn't care very much. Your thoughts on.
Speaker 10: That, Yeah, I certainly hope that's not the case. I
Speaker 10: think what we're I think, you know, you'll see isolated
Speaker 10: incidents in your own life, and I think we're going
Speaker 10: to see this more and more, especially as more goes
Speaker 10: to trial, more people are convicted, and more people are
Speaker 10: encouraged to strike plea deals, you know, for more lenient sentences,
Speaker 10: and they start giving over more evidence.
Speaker 6: That we have.
Speaker 10: Yeah, these people were ignored or shunted a side, or actually,
Speaker 10: in some cases we're hearing, you know, we're persecuted for
Speaker 10: trying to be whistleblowers. I think that so often people
Speaker 10: saw only the microcosm in which they live, But we're
Speaker 10: going to see all these dots.
Speaker 6: Start to connect.
Speaker 10: I think over the next months, as more of these
Speaker 10: come forward and more scrutiny has given, more people are
Speaker 10: taken trial, and I think the massive scope is beyond anything.
Speaker 6: That we really know now or.
Speaker 10: That any of the people who had witnessed fraud. You know,
Speaker 10: you always imagine, well, maybe this is.
Speaker 6: Just happening in my own neighborhood, Maybe.
Speaker 10: This is just a one off episode, you know. I
Speaker 10: think most people generally try to give the benefit of
Speaker 10: the doubt, and I think what we're going to see
Speaker 10: is no this was organized, that this was ongoing, this
Speaker 10: was going on for years, and because there was a
Speaker 10: sense that there would be no accountability, that this whole
Speaker 10: scandal actually probably you know, grew like a cancer, you know,
Speaker 10: so rapidly that I would bet that a lot of
Speaker 10: the fraudsters were themselves shocked that we can now take
Speaker 10: this to a level.
Speaker 6: That we had never imagined. And I think what we're.
Speaker 10: Going to see is we're going to see numbers, We're
Speaker 10: going to see incidents, We're going to see duration that
Speaker 10: no one ever expected. And yet I think we're going
Speaker 10: to find that in some of these cases that there
Speaker 10: may have been actual complicity with people in the government
Speaker 10: that knew this was going up and absolutely turned the
Speaker 10: blind eye to it.
Speaker 1: Oh there has to be And you know Keith Ellison,
Speaker 1: who's the attorney general of that state, a former congressman,
Speaker 1: that is on tape saying to a group, don't worry,
Speaker 1: I'll protect you, you know, as the fraud is being committed,
Speaker 1: apparently with his full knowledge. I mean, what kind of
Speaker 1: a legal liability is he possibly facing? JT. Do you
Speaker 1: think no?
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 10: you're ultimate one is the voters. And this brings us
Speaker 10: back to where you were absolutely right. You know, are
Speaker 10: Minnesotans who are you know, are are are good people
Speaker 10: who you know have elected people and expected government.
Speaker 6: To run in a normal way.
Speaker 10: Is this going to be the tipping point? Because I
Speaker 10: think what we have seen is that an extremist Democrat leadership.
Speaker 10: And yes that starts with Tim Walls, and yes it
Speaker 10: extends down through the party. It goes to certainly Jacob
Speaker 10: Fray is the Minneapolis mayor.
Speaker 6: These people have governed Minnesota like it was Massachusetts. It's not.
Speaker 10: And if you look at election returns, especially at the
Speaker 10: presidential level, the Democrats have been skating on a thin margin,
Speaker 10: but they've been governing as though they were on the bopoly.
Speaker 6: And I think, and.
Speaker 10: I certainly hope that with these revelations, people will finally say.
Speaker 6: Enough and we're going to throw them out.
Speaker 10: And that's what it's going to take.
Speaker 1: Well, when you get basically one party rule, even if
Speaker 1: it's by a thin margin at the polls, this is
Speaker 1: what you get. You get fraud, corruption because there's no
Speaker 1: one there to check them. And you mentioned Massachusetts, you
Speaker 1: mentioned or didn't mention California, but that's another state that
Speaker 1: basically has one power, one party rule, an iron grip
Speaker 1: on power. And you know that the phrase absolute power
Speaker 1: corrupts absolutely definitely applies in this case.
Speaker 10: I think no, I think you're right, and I've been
Speaker 10: You know, monopolies are bad things, but it's so funny
Speaker 10: that Democrats rail against them and everything but the ones
Speaker 10: they control, and you don't.
Speaker 6: See them except in government.
Speaker 10: You know, in a free market, people will come in,
Speaker 10: they will enter into a market, they will compete, even
Speaker 10: at the smallest level than the ones that are successful
Speaker 10: will grow. But in a winner take all election, as
Speaker 10: just as you said, all you have to do is
Speaker 10: keep holding onto those thin majorities. But we have seen
Speaker 10: and you do see if you look at Minnesota's election results,
Speaker 10: those margins have been very thin, and less than a
Speaker 10: five percent voter swing in Minnesota would have turned Minnesota
Speaker 10: read for the first time since nineteen seventy two in
Speaker 10: the last presidential election. That's not a lot. And hopefully
Speaker 10: now as people see this scandal and the Democrats complicity
Speaker 10: in it, that this will be enough to finally push
Speaker 10: Minnesota over and we may have We're going to have
Speaker 10: a good matorial race there that's up. Will Klobatar run
Speaker 10: for that who's a sitting senator.
Speaker 6: They've already got.
Speaker 10: One of their senators who's retiring and who's running for
Speaker 10: that seat. But the lieutenant governor who would be was
Speaker 10: Walls's number two during this scandal. Yeah, I bring these
Speaker 10: elections up. These are all opportunities for the Minnesota populace
Speaker 10: to register their disapproval with the party that's brought them
Speaker 10: these scandals.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be even with the
Speaker 1: scandal and all the evidence that this has been going
Speaker 1: on under the Democrats watch, do you think that it's
Speaker 1: gonna be maybe softened by the fact that it's a
Speaker 1: midterm election and usually, you know, the party in power
Speaker 1: in Washington doesn't do well in those midterm elections, I
Speaker 1: mean traditionally. Let yeah, let's switch gears into that we're here.
Speaker 10: I think, yeah, I think you make a very good point.
Speaker 10: And especially if we see something like Clobatorre, who's you know,
Speaker 10: is not involved as far as we know with this scandal,
Speaker 10: if she runs for governor, well then that would free
Speaker 10: up another another Senate seat, so they would have to
Speaker 10: have she can appoint a temporary replacement. But then they
Speaker 10: would have to have an election for that. You have
Speaker 10: the Senate election for Senator Smith who's retiring, and Flanagan
Speaker 10: is running, you know, and Flannagan has already gone and
Speaker 10: shot a video in which she donned the head scarf.
Speaker 6: Uh and I saw that, you know, announced.
Speaker 10: Her a solidarity with the Somali community. They're trying to
Speaker 10: make this into a fraud investigation look like racism. You know,
Speaker 10: Flannagan is very much tied through the administration to the
Speaker 10: scandal and the lack of oversight. So I think there's
Speaker 10: a good chance that she may feel the effect of this.
Speaker 10: And then if you had another Senate seat that has
Speaker 10: to be decided if clover Charge should win at.
Speaker 6: The governor's race and vacate that seat.
Speaker 10: I mean, the Democrats bench has got to be pretty tense,
Speaker 10: and we'll be sinn further by this scandal. So I
Speaker 10: think there's a good chance here. And then if you
Speaker 10: skip ahead to twenty twenty eight, which is now just
Speaker 10: two years away, if you have someone like a JD. Vance,
Speaker 10: if you have a Marco Rubio as the Republican nominee,
Speaker 10: someone who would allow people who have been negative on
Speaker 10: Trump in Minnesota to relook at you know, that would
Speaker 10: give him an excuse to relook at the Republicans. I
Speaker 10: think that there are a lot of opportunities here despite
Speaker 10: the midterm, that the localized scandal could be enough to
Speaker 10: make people really reevaluate where they've been voted.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a shame that we live in an environment
Speaker 1: and I understand that the President has played his role
Speaker 1: in this JT. But people who vote Democrat just because
Speaker 1: they can't stand Trump. I mean, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people like me who voted for President Trump three
Speaker 1: times and would I would have foorth if constitutionally possible.
Speaker 1: But you know, being such a lightning rod and being
Speaker 1: someone that either you love him or you hate him,
Speaker 1: there's very little middle ground. You're right, A JD. Vance
Speaker 1: or a Marco Rubio would be a lot easier for
Speaker 1: people to take if they realized it was in their
Speaker 1: best interest to keep Democrats out of federal office, out
Speaker 1: of the executive chair of the White House, and in
Speaker 1: control of the House.
Speaker 10: And that you have these examples right in your own neighborhood,
Speaker 10: so to speak. I mean, these are Minnesota scandals. I
Speaker 10: thoroughly expect this scandal to go out beyond Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, I agree, And a lot of that
Speaker 1: was tied to all these these COVID giveaways. You know,
Speaker 1: COVID wasn't just an epidemic, a man made virus that
Speaker 1: leaked out of China and around the world. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just that it caused illness and caused governments to be
Speaker 1: authoritarian and make all these ridiculous mandates that weren't in
Speaker 1: many cases scientific, like the six foot rule. But COVID
Speaker 1: was more than that. COVID kept these kids out of
Speaker 1: school and retarded learning here in this country for a
Speaker 1: whole new generation of young people for no reason. COVID
Speaker 1: also created this this slush fund that was able to
Speaker 1: be you know, defrauded so easily because there was so
Speaker 1: many dollars flowing out nobody was even checking where they
Speaker 1: were going in many cases, correct, I mean, COVID, the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen was so deadly in so many ways in
Speaker 1: our society.
Speaker 6: Right. No, you're absolutely right. It was a seismic.
Speaker 1: Event, and not just from a health standpoint. No, JT.
Speaker 1: You went away, government, you went away for a second.
Speaker 3: You there, Yeah, I'm here, Okay.
Speaker 1: Keep talking.
Speaker 10: Well, I think, uh, you know, from a governing standpoint.
Speaker 10: It was a seismic event as well as a health one.
Speaker 10: And we've already known, uh, you know, it was known
Speaker 10: some time ago that there was a lot of fraud.
Speaker 10: But I think again, we truly don't know how much
Speaker 10: fraud occurred, and I doubt we ever will. But if
Speaker 10: you remember, during a lot of those pandemic programs, people
Speaker 10: were allowed to self certify that they were eligible. People
Speaker 10: were literally throwing money out the door, yes and ordered,
Speaker 10: and they thought to keep the you know, the the
Speaker 10: economy in sustained during the shutdowns that other governments were
Speaker 10: inflicting at the state level. But it was intended to
Speaker 10: just get money out the door. And I think we're
Speaker 10: now seeing those chickens come home to roost. We're finding
Speaker 10: out that not only did this fraud encourage or not
Speaker 10: only did these programs encourage fraud, but they encourage people
Speaker 10: to think we can do this on a regular basis.
Speaker 10: It doesn't just have to be nobody's scrutinizing us at all.
Speaker 10: So let's continue to do it, and we can do
Speaker 10: it on a bigger and bigger levels.
Speaker 1: For example, on a personal note, JT. I was still working.
Speaker 1: In fact, I was working more on the radio than
Speaker 1: I had previously. I'm just a part time employee, but
Speaker 1: because the Reds and the baseball season had been suspended,
Speaker 1: I was able to work many, many shifts all through
Speaker 1: the summer, which I usually can't do. Now the bar
Speaker 1: was closed down where I was slinging drinks, but I
Speaker 1: was still making good money here, more than I would
Speaker 1: usually just for doing this my chosen profession. My wife,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, could not work her regular job,
Speaker 1: and she got the benefit of those government COVID checks
Speaker 1: every month. We were making more money than we had
Speaker 1: as a couple the entire time we've been married during
Speaker 1: the COVID thing. And you know, it was there. We
Speaker 1: weren't defrauding anybody that they were willingly writing her a check,
Speaker 1: you know, every month for X amount of dollars, no
Speaker 1: matter what what her income had been before. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of not being able to go anywhere
Speaker 1: or people telling us to mask up everywhere we went,
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a bad time for us personally. I
Speaker 1: got to be honest but kind so so what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, though, you can imagine with people see all
Speaker 1: this money being just thrown into the into the economy.
Speaker 1: The fraudsters and the people seeking uh you know, a
Speaker 1: criminal advantage here without ever being punished for it is huge.
Speaker 1: It's human nature.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, and it was there for the taking. Yeah.
Speaker 10: And when it's there for the taking, you can bet
Speaker 10: that there will be.
Speaker 6: People there who will look to take their.
Speaker 10: Advantage and that opportunity to illegal links. And we're seeing that.
Speaker 10: But you know, it's it's extending well beyond just because
Speaker 10: I think when you see this, you're going to realize that,
Speaker 10: oh yeah, they were. They were taking advantage of defrauding
Speaker 10: ongoing government programs as well.
Speaker 1: Oh, Medicare, Medicaid. Absolutely. I heard one estimate when someone
Speaker 1: say country wide there could be as much as one
Speaker 1: point seven trillion dollars in fraud. If you factor in
Speaker 1: all the federal government and how they've been taking advantage
Speaker 1: of our debt's thirty eight trillion. So that's that's almost
Speaker 1: two trillion dollars we could knock off the debt if
Speaker 1: we could just find and choke off the fraud, right.
Speaker 10: Well, if you can stop it from going out, yes,
Speaker 10: you can sert you could do it in the future.
Speaker 10: You're never going to get that money back. I mean
Speaker 10: you know that you can bet that this money was
Speaker 10: spirited away very quickly, with people who were smart enough
Speaker 10: to realize if we get caught, we want to make
Speaker 10: sure they don't. We don't mind that they take the
Speaker 10: underlings to jail, but we want to make sure that
Speaker 10: we retain the assets. So you can bet it was
Speaker 10: squirreled away in places that it'll never be retrieved.
Speaker 1: Out of the mini in Apple there was a report
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that out of the
Speaker 1: Minneapolis airport alone there were some seven hit seven hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars that supposedly went out in suitcases to Somalia. Well,
Speaker 1: this was going on, and that's just in Minneapolis. And
Speaker 1: that's money that's not going out the door. It's it's
Speaker 1: going out of the country, right, I mean.
Speaker 10: That's it's already been spent, and it's been spent by
Speaker 10: people who couldn't care less that you have caught the
Speaker 10: people that sent them the money.
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