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Speaker 1: All Right, Billy Cunningham, the Great America. Welcome the Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: I know my brackets are Dad. Now that Florida has lost,

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Speaker 1: got no chance at all. Saint John still going strong,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens down the road. But Monday

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is going to be one heck of a consequential

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Speaker 1: date when it comes to the Iranian war. And make

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Speaker 1: no mistake about it, this is a justified war for

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Speaker 1: good reasons. But nonetheless, the Trumpsters set up some ultimatums

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Speaker 1: for tomorrow evening, which is the Hormost Straits must be

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Speaker 1: opened or else they're going to bomb. Continue to bomb Iran,

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Speaker 1: this time taking out more civilian targets, including its energy infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Plus tomorrow, I guess in the morning I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: but ICE will appear at the airports. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, but when I travel, I see armed agents

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Speaker 1: everywhere constantly, many times with Semitic weapons and ninja outfits.

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Speaker 1: I feel comfortable when the police officers around because I'm legal.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Covington. I don't mess around. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a criminal record, I don't have warrants. Once

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Speaker 1: the warns out for me, So if I see a cop,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to see him. But Democrats want to take

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Speaker 1: the position that illegal aliens might be intimidated to fly

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Speaker 1: if they're illegal, and maybe ICE will arrest them. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what that's going to be. But tomorrow morning

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Speaker 1: and tomorrow night, all hell's breaking loose. Plus Iran tonight

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Speaker 1: is saying that they're going to take out the desalination

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Speaker 1: plants all over the Middle East, which is basically a desert,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to make it impossible for the Arab

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Speaker 1: neighbors to make any water. In the consequence, the Trumpster

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Speaker 1: in Israel would be more harshness dealing with Iran. So

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Speaker 1: in the next twenty four hours might be extremely interesting,

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Speaker 1: especially since Iran, about twenty four hours ago launched a

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Speaker 1: missiles that the US UK military bases in the Indian Ocean,

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Speaker 1: and they were taken down. But nonetheless they launched toward

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Speaker 1: the bases a missile that had a range of over

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Speaker 1: twenty five hundred miles, which for years they said they

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Speaker 1: did not have. Oil prices tonight are rising. All hell's

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Speaker 1: about to break loose. And I always say to my

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Speaker 1: friends and my buddies, this is a justified war. It

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Speaker 1: had been fought of a very long time ago. And

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's the only president to have the coyonees and

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Speaker 1: the good judgment to do it. And I want this

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Speaker 1: done to his logical conclusion for victory. There's no substitute

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Speaker 1: for victory. And as MacArthur said in nineteen sixty four,

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Speaker 1: sadly only the dead have seen the end of war.

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Speaker 1: What happens in this I have no idea. I know

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Speaker 1: America in Israel is winning by any fair measurement. I

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Speaker 1: watched some of the Sunday morning talk shows storage Stefanopolis, etc.

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Speaker 1: I think Jonathan carl was in today. But nonetheless, you

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't know what he's doing. Iran is winning. By

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Speaker 1: that not to happen, don't you. I want America to win.

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Speaker 1: It'd be helpful if the Democrats during war, in the

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Speaker 1: which has been brewing now for forty seven years. But

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Speaker 1: the Democrats don't do it. They say it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a stalemate. Definition of a stalemate. As we speak tonight,

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Speaker 1: The air force also has been obliterated. The missile technology

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Speaker 1: The war hogs have done what they're intended to do,

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Speaker 1: And in fact, right now, the Democrats say quit right now,

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Speaker 1: Let those half a ton of Uranian enriched centrifuges that

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Speaker 1: Let those that remain in place. And I do know

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Speaker 1: one thing that they're not going to threaten Israel or

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Speaker 1: that could be delivered by a truck, by a railroad,

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Speaker 1: The Moolaws, as soon as they would have gotten a

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Speaker 1: They would have fired them toward Israel, and Israel has

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Speaker 1: more than one hundred nuclear weapons. They would obliterated the

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Speaker 1: dark age from which we may not recover for five

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Speaker 1: that every president since nineteen seventy nine had to be done.

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Speaker 1: This has to happen. There's no choice. We have to

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Speaker 1: now and then feel asself I'm a contrarian. And a

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Speaker 1: Having never experienced freedom, the Iraqi people didn't know what

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Speaker 1: about freedom. Same thing in Afghanistan. You might recall that

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Speaker 1: But Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan have no history of this whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: They've been ruled by kings and by queens and prints

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Speaker 1: some point the running people arise and quote, seize power

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Speaker 1: worse than what. I don't want them ever to have

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Speaker 1: But them being the running people. But how many times

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Speaker 1: there's some protests going on, but not large protests. That's

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Speaker 1: because they're afraid to go outside, wouldn't you be. That's

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Speaker 1: why America's Second Amendment is so important and so strong.

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Speaker 1: The regime, the religious fanatics calling upon God to rape

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Speaker 1: and now they're incentivized more than ever to drop bombs

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Speaker 1: Ultimately it will be up to the Iranian people, which

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Speaker 1: And now we're between a rock and a hard place.

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Speaker 1: Having done what we had to do, we must finish

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Speaker 1: Now they're more incentivized than ever to do what they're

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not that I am old. It's that

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Speaker 8: I believe that's what he pled guilty to.

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Speaker 10: parachute it in from you're going to a male prison

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Speaker 10: with this kind of record, and you sent him to

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Speaker 10: a female prison, didn't you. You said that the Board

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Speaker 10: of Prisons was trying to violate Miss Shelby, former mister

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Speaker 10: mcclaim's constitutional rights, didn't you.

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Speaker 8: I issued a report and recommendation to the district judge

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Speaker 8: recommending that the district judge transferred the petitioner to a

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Speaker 8: women's facility.

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Speaker 1: Well that's modern liberalism, right there. So a rapist of

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Speaker 1: a boy, the rapist of a teenage girl, a sex pervert,

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Speaker 1: was put by that particular judicial officer into a female prison.

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Speaker 1: That's where he or she wanted to go. And she said,

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Speaker 1: put him in a female prison. He identifies as a female,

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Speaker 1: having raped a boy, raped the girl, kitty porn, etc.

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Speaker 1: That's an example of modern liberalism. They Keeme Jeffrey style liberalism.

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Speaker 1: That more and more in the American people I think

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Speaker 1: have figured out it's not serious, it's not the way

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Speaker 1: things ought to be. It's wrong, it's awful. So let's

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Speaker 1: take some calls and I want to get your reaction

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Speaker 1: on all these issues, including what's happening in Cuba and

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Speaker 1: Cuba by the way is being inundated with large numbers

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Speaker 1: of left wing groups that are showing up right now,

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Speaker 1: including a code Pink taking in supplies to the Cubans.

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Speaker 1: That's an example of socialism and its failures, along with

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Speaker 1: Venezuela failure along Greenland, which is a failed state bought

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Speaker 1: and paid for by Denmark. And eighty percent of the

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Speaker 1: citizens in Greenland are on public assistance, about the same

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Speaker 1: number in Venezuela, about the same number in Porto Rico,

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Speaker 1: by the same number in Cuba. Why in the world

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Speaker 1: we want to take Cuba and make it the fifty

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Speaker 1: first date or Greenland is beyond me. The only one

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Speaker 1: that makes sense to me is Venezuela because of the

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Speaker 1: oil supplies. Number one oil rich, provable barrels of oil

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Speaker 1: is in Venezuela. They can pay their own way. It

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Speaker 1: would take Cubans fifty years to recover without oil. It

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Speaker 1: would take Venezuela fifty years to recover and without changing.

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Speaker 1: It's going to take California fifty years to recover, in

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Speaker 1: ILLINOI fifty years to recover. It's awful. New York City

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Speaker 1: Governor Hochell the other day begging those with incomes to

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Speaker 1: move back to New York City, like my friend Sean Hannity,

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Speaker 1: who got out alive because he couldn't take it anymore.

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Speaker 1: And so the socialism and the liberalism you see in

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Speaker 1: every major American city is not totally dissimilar to what

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Speaker 1: happened in Cuba and what happened in Venezuela. The difference

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Speaker 1: is many of these democratic cities have had normal democrats

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Speaker 1: until the last ten or fifteen years. You know, Richard J. Daily,

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Speaker 1: the dailies, the mayors of Chicago was somewhat normal compared

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Speaker 1: to the crop in there. Now, same thing in New

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Speaker 1: York City went through twenty years of Rudy in Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: made some sense after eight years of Deblasio. Preparing yourself

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Speaker 1: now for a Coami whose wife is an AMA sympathizer.

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Speaker 1: Give our cities another fifteen or twenty years of these policies,

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Speaker 1: it'll look like Cuba. It'll be emptied. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: America can be a great nation if our three major

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Speaker 1: cities are in collapse. Brandon Johnson in Chicago, according to

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Speaker 1: Financial Times, may have to file bankruptcy, have no money.

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Speaker 1: New York City, I think I have the stats here

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Speaker 1: for New York City, which to me are truly unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: How much money being spent in New York City compared to,

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Speaker 1: for example, the state of Florida. And I think my

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Speaker 1: friend Sean Hannity had these numbers on the other day.

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Speaker 1: But essentially, look at New York City. New York City

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Speaker 1: has approximately eight million people living in New York City

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Speaker 1: eight million. The entire state of Florida is about twenty

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Speaker 1: four million. So Floridians are three times as large as

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Speaker 1: New York City, not in New York states as New

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Speaker 1: York City. So Florida is three times larger. And the

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Speaker 1: annual budget is significantly less in Florida for the entire

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Speaker 1: state than the city of New York New York's eight

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Speaker 1: million people. City of New York government spends one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty seven billion, and the state of Florida it's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventeen billion, ten billion less with three

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Speaker 1: times as many people. And so to solve this crisis,

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Speaker 1: Mom Donnie says, let's spend more money and tax more.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to work. It's going to collapse. New

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Speaker 1: York City will go bankrupt all like it did under

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Speaker 1: Dinkins about forty five fifty years ago. After years and years,

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Speaker 1: New York City went bankrupt, and it's going to happen again,

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Speaker 1: like Chicago, like Los Angeles. And so I hope the

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Speaker 1: citizens in Californi and you understand, you can't stand the

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Speaker 1: course you're on. Otherwise, after another twenty years, you look

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Speaker 1: like Cuba, or Venezuela or Puerto Rico. The great majority

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Speaker 1: of the citizens in all those places are on public

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Speaker 1: assistance one type or another. In Minnesota, Minneapolis, another failed city,

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Speaker 1: failed state, goes the money being spent. And before I

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Speaker 1: take some calls, we just passed a few days ago

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Speaker 1: the mark of thirty nine trillion dollars in debt. The

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Speaker 1: accumulated American debt is thirty nine trillion. Within the next

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Speaker 1: nine months, by the first of the year, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be at forty trillion dollars we're gonna owe in debt.

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Speaker 1: The biggest growing item in the federal budget is interest payments.

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Speaker 1: On the deficit. We cannot afford the life that we're in.

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Speaker 1: Both parties could come together and solve it, but they

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Speaker 1: spend each other time calling each other names. Some of

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Speaker 1: the things that Kem jeffres Is called the president of disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Shut your mouth. That kind of stuff playing in the

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Speaker 1: hands of America's enemies. So we got problems, major, major problems.

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Speaker 1: Let's continue to go to William and Alabama Role Tide.

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Speaker 1: William and Alabama, Role Tide. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. William,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 6: Great? Great?

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Speaker 11: Thank you, Bill Roadside. But before I say anything, first,

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Speaker 11: I would like to start off. I say, and I

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Speaker 11: voted for Trump three times. I was maga back in

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Speaker 11: twenty fourteen when he first announced his first term was fantastic.

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Speaker 11: With that said, I have a nephew right now that's

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Speaker 11: on the battleship in the Strait Foremost. I've got a son,

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Speaker 11: a young son that's military Army that he's reserved Guard,

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Speaker 11: but he is active, and so I've always been a

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Speaker 11: big support. What I cannot wrap my head around is

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Speaker 11: why everybody needs to push this. And I'm happy for

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Speaker 11: the Iranian Christians. They just got free and hopefully they

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Speaker 11: utilized that opportunity that was given to them. But he's

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Speaker 11: running right now and he lost his base. And I

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Speaker 11: can tell you I'm deep Alabama. We're always read, we're

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Speaker 11: always conservative, we are big Trump and I can tell

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Speaker 11: you right now he is losing his whole base and people.

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Speaker 11: They used to love him and think that he was

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Speaker 11: a god. Said the situation where the Epstein files how

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Speaker 11: he waxed over that protected all his friends redacted the

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Speaker 11: files said it was a hoax. He had first that

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Speaker 11: right there, lost the trust. Then what's setting in the

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Speaker 11: anger as now he's talking about ground troops asking for

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Speaker 11: two hundred more billion dollars. And I think that I

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Speaker 11: studied this stuff extensively, and I can tell you this

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Speaker 11: stuff is gonna brew over there like a small fire,

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Speaker 11: and then it's gonna aspiral a lot of control and

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Speaker 11: it's gonna lead to a world war with Russia, China,

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Speaker 11: withth Korea, a total coalition. They're building a coalition that's

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Speaker 11: gonna come against America and it's gonna be us against everybody.

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Speaker 11: And we just saw what NATO did. They all left

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Speaker 11: us out. Nobody wanted to help. So it's gonna be

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Speaker 11: a bar surprember of the House. Olive os. They take

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Speaker 11: money from a pack they have been bom paid for

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Speaker 11: by Israel. Trump's daughter converted to Judaism, and the White

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Speaker 11: House Official Records says that Trumpere converted.

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Speaker 1: No he didn't, no he did no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he didn't do that. He's the only president with Jewish grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: But Donald Trump is not Jewish. In fact, this morning

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Speaker 1: I watched NATO Secretary General Mark Rutt on Sunday talk

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Speaker 1: about the NATO nations joining us. He said, the great majority,

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Speaker 1: he said this on CBS has faced the nation. Margan Brennan.

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Speaker 1: He said, I understand the frustration of times, but again

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Speaker 1: I want you to understand that NATO will stand with

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Speaker 1: President Trump on this issue, and so we're not alone.

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Speaker 1: In fact, NATO has joined us along with the Golf nations.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can describe the joiners. Hold on, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can describe the Golf nations, the

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Speaker 1: Arab of nations as being pro Israel. They're looking after

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Speaker 1: their own interest. And so when NATO is joining Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and the five Golf nations are with Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 1: also India, Mody is with Donald Trump, Japan is with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And so I don't know which way this

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Speaker 1: is going to turn out, but they would have got

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Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, they would have used it, and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Every president before Trump said they can never get a

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapon. I watched the head of the I A e. A.

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Speaker 1: This morning talk about the fact they have enough nuclear

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Speaker 1: physical material now to create eleven bombs that they put

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Speaker 1: on a ship, on a boat, on unless they're stopped.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't buy the idea that somehow the

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Speaker 1: Jews are in charge, the Jews, the magnificent Jews, are

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Speaker 1: manipulating us. That's not the case at all. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Saudi Arabia, the UAE Bahrain cutter, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're manipulated by the Jews.

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Speaker 12: Do you do you?

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Speaker 1: Joe Ken, I wouldn't pay attention to Joe Kidd one't bit.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't pay attention to him at all, none, zero, But.

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Speaker 11: He was Trump hired him, so tired him.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's under criminal investigation for Lencoln material and he

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Speaker 1: watched Joe about a year ago. He sounded like me tonight,

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Speaker 1: but all of a sudden he flipped the other way. Now,

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Speaker 1: I William, you got kids that you got kids that

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Speaker 1: I understand you're concerned greatly about what's going on. But

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Speaker 1: the world is coming together tonight against Iran. Uh. It's

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Speaker 1: not the case that we're alone. The world is with us,

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Speaker 1: because the UN Secretary General this morning said NATO will

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Speaker 1: be with Donald Trump. That's what he said. Now, so

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Speaker 1: you picture this thing, is that are the Jews manipulating Japan?

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Speaker 11: Well, I know, I know people like Willing Williams that

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Speaker 11: are out there.

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Speaker 7: Uh uh uh.

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Speaker 11: Basically h Liddy Graham. I'm sorry he's after threatening everybody.

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Speaker 11: He just said, al with Israel in all, staying with Israel.

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Speaker 11: We need to move all our stuff over there. And

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Speaker 11: if y'all are not with Israel.

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Speaker 13: I'm not with y'all.

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Speaker 11: Not custodies in the same way Lindsey Graham. All these

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Speaker 11: people they got an allegiance or Disrael first allegians. And

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Speaker 11: I don't understand how a country that's nine million people,

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Speaker 11: that's what we have. We have states over here that

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Speaker 11: have more than not many people. New York City has

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Speaker 11: more than how many people we're letting this little bitty

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Speaker 11: country is the tail wagging the dog.

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Speaker 1: William might disagree with you, uh. NATO Secretary John Remark

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Speaker 1: right on Sunday offered a full throated support of Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's military efforts against Iran. That's the NATO head of NATO. Factually,

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Speaker 1: I think you're wrong. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and you may be a call. There was a college student,

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Speaker 1: a female that was murdered a couple of days ago

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. This story will die quickly. I llegal immigrant

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Speaker 1: accused of killing a life Iola student released under Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Jose Medina Medina of Venezuela national was arrested for shoplifting

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Speaker 1: and other crimes about two or three years ago. He's

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Speaker 1: twenty five years old here illegally from Chicago, Venezuela, and

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Speaker 1: he was released. He's also being quarantined for potentially contagious condition.

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Speaker 1: The woman, Chridan Gorman, was murdered about one thirty in

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Speaker 1: the morning in and around Chicago campus of Iola, and

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Speaker 1: the person who killed him seemingly is an illegal immigrant here.

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Speaker 1: May I use the term illegally. It should not have

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Speaker 1: been here. It should not be here. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: William of Alabama, I have respect for your viewpoint, I

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Speaker 1: disagree with it. I think about eight ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: megaworld supports Donald Trump. That means ten to twenty percent

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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Erica Sonzi's with Defending Education

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Speaker 1: dot org and she is a posting up at that website,

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Speaker 1: which is fabulous. I have it up. Now another liberal

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Speaker 1: icon may be coming down. Chavez scandal hits schools, events canceled,

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Speaker 1: maybe renaming of schools and highways, et cetera in the

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Speaker 1: state of California and elsewhere. And for those who may

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Speaker 1: not know who he was, Erica, first of all, welcome

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Speaker 1: again to the Bill Cunningham Show. So, first of all,

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Speaker 1: describe the impact of Cesar Chavez before we talk about

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Speaker 1: his pecadillos. How important was Cesar Chavez to the liberal movement,

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Speaker 1: especially in California.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, he's sort of like a household name. Obviously,

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Speaker 12: there's an official state holiday named after him. He's known

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Speaker 12: largely as a labor activist and somebody who stood up

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Speaker 12: for farm workers. And as with so many icons, and

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Speaker 12: it seems to be a bigger problem on the left,

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Speaker 12: they become sort of almost saints, and so when they

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Speaker 12: teach them to children, they overlook all of the complexities

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Speaker 12: of the person and instead they sort of them and

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Speaker 12: teach them as heroes, including you know, having entire curriculum

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Speaker 12: based on these people and on their quote unquote values.

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Speaker 12: And that's always risky because you know, the truth is

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Speaker 12: usually much more complicated. And when you're telling kindergarteners in

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Speaker 12: first and second grader that they should live their lives

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Speaker 12: the way that Caesar Shavez did, and when you're you know,

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Speaker 12: giving them lessons that again say that they are based

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Speaker 12: completely around the quote unquote core values of Caesar Chavez,

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Speaker 12: a fall from grace like what we just saw creates

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Speaker 12: a problem.

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Speaker 1: And this comes from the New York Times, which if

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Speaker 1: they say it, god knows it must be accurate. But

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Speaker 1: they sent a team of reporters to examine some of

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Speaker 1: these claims. You see, says our Chavez. He was a

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Speaker 1: farm worker icon who wanted to organize farm workers, especially

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Speaker 1: in California, and he lived a long life. Unlike King

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Speaker 1: and Kennedy, he lived a long life. And that there

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Speaker 1: are there are schools named more than one hundred California

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Speaker 1: public schools. Dozens more nationwide are named after Chavez. Many

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Speaker 1: districts spelled Character Foundation, social emotional learning SEL programs around

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Speaker 1: Ceesar Chavez. So what did Cesar Chavez do in reality

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Speaker 1: that the public didn't know at the time, or maybe

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Speaker 1: they didn't know but didn't want to report it.

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Speaker 12: Well, it appears that he raped minors, and it appears

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Speaker 12: that he was a sexual predator. And according to much

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Speaker 12: of what I've read, I mean, there's emails going back

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Speaker 12: ten years of people who were very familiar with Caesarshavas

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Speaker 12: and with his foundation and all of its work. You

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Speaker 12: know already talking about knowing all of this to be true.

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Speaker 12: So this took a long time for it to come

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Speaker 12: out publicly for I'm sure lots of different reasons. But

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Speaker 12: within that community it was well known that there were

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Speaker 12: big problems with him related to sexual predation and having

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Speaker 12: sex with minors. And you know that has now of

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Speaker 12: course burst onto the scene. And what's actually sort of

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Speaker 12: fascinating is how quickly, you know, his supporters are sort

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Speaker 12: of working to scrub his name from everything. It's funny.

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Speaker 12: I had done some research about him late last week,

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Speaker 12: looked at the Caesar Shavis Foundation. I was looking at

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Speaker 12: the curriculum, which was largely around social studies, English language arts,

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Speaker 12: and social emotional learning, well and ethnic studies. Of course,

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Speaker 12: I go to pull it up tonight in preparation for

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Speaker 12: this interview, and it's gone. All the curriculum is gone,

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Speaker 12: everything's about their education fund gone, it's all dead lengths

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Speaker 12: giving a four oh for you know, page error. So

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Speaker 12: I mean that right there was was quick. And we

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Speaker 12: see them again, like you know, already changing the name

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Speaker 12: of the holiday. A bunch of these schools are in

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Speaker 12: talks already what to do. But the fact that they're

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Speaker 12: named after him we see and we actually see people

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Speaker 12: covering up his name on monuments, all with in less

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Speaker 12: than a week.

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Speaker 1: Well, the sad part is this was something known at

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Speaker 1: the time. I guess much like President John F. Kennedy

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Speaker 1: or much like Martin Luther King Jr. At least they

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Speaker 1: weren't miners that they weren't doing their dalliances with And

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Speaker 1: there's a woman named Garcia who's now ninety five years old,

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Speaker 1: whore kind of at least two times. She says Chavez

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Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her. And there's numerous other women to come forward.

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about girls that were thirteen, fourteen, fifteen

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Speaker 1: years old when Chavez was thirty five. And it was

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Speaker 1: known at the time, but these women and others did

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Speaker 1: not want to make it public because the image was

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Speaker 1: so good and so strong, and the left would not

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Speaker 1: go below the covers and see reality. To me, that's

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Speaker 1: the worst part. Kennedy had his problems, as did Martin.

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Speaker 1: Luther King Jr. Had his problems, but I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: they had underage girls, so that the King. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that in a moment. But isn't the worst part

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Speaker 1: that in the sixties and seventies, the inside of Chavez's

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Speaker 1: camp as farm workers knew what he was doing. But

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Speaker 1: the media likely would have known if they would have asked.

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Speaker 1: But did the media ask and investigate like the Times

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Speaker 1: did in the sixties and seventies, or wasn't simply not known?

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Speaker 12: I don't know what I do not know if there

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Speaker 12: was any sort of spotlight or media work on this.

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Speaker 12: All I know is that there were you know, somebody

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Speaker 12: did so got their hands on some emails, and there

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Speaker 12: was definitely discussion about this as far back as ten years. So,

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Speaker 12: I mean, I'm hardly a Caesar Shavia expert. I didn't

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Speaker 12: grow up in California. I don't tend to get all

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Speaker 12: rah rah rah about these icons to begin with. But again,

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Speaker 12: it's this problem where and I'm looking at it from

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Speaker 12: the angle of schools, where they overly simplify people to

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Speaker 12: young children, which is already stupid, right, Like, you can

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Speaker 12: talk to kids about policies, you can talk to kids

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Speaker 12: about people in history and things that they did. You

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Speaker 12: can teach them important things about them without sanctifying them.

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Speaker 12: I mean, we even thought this with George Floyd in

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Speaker 12: recent years, where they would discuss him, you know, as

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Speaker 12: something that he wasn't in an effort to perpetuate a

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Speaker 12: narrative and support a specific cause, et cetera. But it

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Speaker 12: really does do kids. I Mean, one of the problems

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Speaker 12: is that teaching young kids things that aren't really developmentally

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Speaker 12: appropriate is a problem in and of itself because you

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Speaker 12: kind of have to simplify maybe more than you want to.

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Speaker 12: But even with these older students, right, there's never room

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Speaker 12: for complexity and for complex discussion, for separating, you know,

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Speaker 12: the person from whatever it is that they did on

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Speaker 12: a policy level, or to change the direction or the

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Speaker 12: trajectory of history. Instead, it becomes like you kind of

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Speaker 12: have to buy the whole product. And that's not good

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Speaker 12: because these are all human beings, and eventually, you know,

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Speaker 12: we all have to learn that nobody's perfect, and everybody

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Speaker 12: has their flaws, and in some cases those flaws are

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Speaker 12: gigantic and massive and enough to have people scrubbing their

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Speaker 12: names off monuments.

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Speaker 4: Within less than a week and it's.

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Speaker 1: Gone, and I would anticipate within another month, Cesar Chavez

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Speaker 1: will be per son of on grata. I look at

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Speaker 1: also you talk about George Floyd, multiple felon in possession,

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Speaker 1: his body had every drug imaginable and and he died

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Speaker 1: of a cardiac arrest. He was committing felonies when he

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Speaker 1: was arrested and refuses to submit to the arrest. He

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Speaker 1: stuck guns in the belly of women to rob them,

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Speaker 1: He beat women, he sold drugs, led a terrible life,

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Speaker 1: and of course he kept saying I can't breathe. I

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Speaker 1: can't breathe. It's because he was having heart problems. And

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Speaker 1: the original Corners report on him was that it was

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Speaker 1: natural causes. But within one or two days that had

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Speaker 1: a change. You had to get the narrative under way.

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Speaker 1: I look at Harvey Milk, gay rights activists. Yeah, head sex.

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Speaker 12: That's another example.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen and seventeen year old boy explained about Harvey Milk

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Speaker 1: and a navy ship named after sexual, a gay rights

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Speaker 1: activist that had sex with teenage boys. That was a felony,

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Speaker 1: but they named the ship after him.

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Speaker 12: It's a great that's actually a very good example too,

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Speaker 12: because Harvey Milk, you know, this sort of gay progressive,

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Speaker 12: gay pride. I don't even know. I don't know a

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Speaker 12: ton of details about him other than again, he shows

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Speaker 12: up now in children's curriculum and there is a children's

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Speaker 12: book written about him. And the problem again, right is

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Speaker 12: why are you talking to fourth grade students about Harvey Milk. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: that is just that is a figure. There's no reason

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Speaker 12: why older students in a class that they choose to

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Speaker 12: take can't.

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Speaker 4: Discuss this guy, right, you can't do it.

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Speaker 12: He played a role in history, He played a role

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Speaker 12: in history, Fine, learn about it. The way that he's

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Speaker 12: portrayed in these picture books to fourth grade students is

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Speaker 12: again just like as if he's this icon and that

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Speaker 12: you have to love everything about him and everything that

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Speaker 12: he did was good and anybody who doesn't think that

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Speaker 12: about him is bad. And to your point, it's a

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Speaker 12: much more complicated and sort of sordid tail. It's far

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Speaker 12: too much for an elementary school student, which indicates to

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Speaker 12: me it makes more sense not to talk about him

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Speaker 12: at all. To the elementary school student.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's done all the time. President John F. Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: I watched this piece on sixty Minutes a few years

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Speaker 1: ago when an intern she was of age, she was

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Speaker 1: like eighteen or nineteen years old, but she was passed

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Speaker 1: off by President Kennedy to his friends to receive shall

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Speaker 1: I say, oral sex from a young girl. He also,

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Speaker 1: I won't say, made love. He had sex and the

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Speaker 1: presidential suite in the White House with Jackie Kennedy gone,

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Speaker 1: and at John F. Kennedy, who's deified. That guy was

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Speaker 1: betting every woman he could find, and also having sex

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Speaker 1: in his own bedroom, in his own wife's bed with

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Speaker 1: under with girls that were eighteen or nineteen years old,

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Speaker 1: and he used to enjoy to watch them have sex

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Speaker 1: with his friends as President Kennedy. And then you got

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Speaker 1: the stuff with Martin Luther King Junior. According to the FBI,

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Speaker 1: he had sex with as many as forty five to

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Speaker 1: fifty women. According to one of his bios, King looked on, laughed,

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Speaker 1: and offered advice to a friend who was raping a woman.

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Speaker 1: That's mL King Junior. And of course the King family

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Speaker 1: doesn't went next year for a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 1: to come out, because then what do you do? And

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Speaker 1: the King family is fighting now, the children are fighting

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Speaker 1: to keep that quiet that they don't want to get.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to get that information out on the icons,

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Speaker 1: and the icons are on both sides. But President Trump,

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Speaker 1: everything's on the table, the most disgusting things, But liberals

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Speaker 1: don't have the same scrutiny.

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Speaker 6: Correct I yes, I do think.

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Speaker 12: That that's correct. And I think all of this points

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Speaker 12: to the danger of creating these these figures as heroes,

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Speaker 12: and and this sort of like looking at them as idols,

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Speaker 12: because they're just they're human beings, and the idea that

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Speaker 12: we would again speak about them as sort of these

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Speaker 12: perfect people and and and based an entire I mean,

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Speaker 12: the idea that you would base an entire curriculum around

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Speaker 12: the core values of Caesar Chavez. It's like just walk

861
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Speaker 12: into a trap because it's it's almost funny to say

862
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Speaker 12: it out loud now, right, But part of me thinking

863
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Speaker 12: like why in the world, Like, you can teach your

864
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Speaker 12: lessons on him, you can do your readings on him,

865
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Speaker 12: students can learn about that movement. But the idea that

866
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Speaker 12: you would have all of your in your English language

867
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Speaker 12: arts and your social studies, in your social emotional learning

868
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Speaker 12: and your ethnic studies, right, which the last two things

869
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Speaker 12: shouldn't even be in school anyway, and then you would

870
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Speaker 12: wrap it all around this one guy, like it's so whiskey, right, stupid, right, right?

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Speaker 1: And you know, eric A. Sanzi of Defending Education dot Org,

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Speaker 1: you're pointing out an obvious point that wasn't the case

873
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Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years ago, that schools are about indoctrination

874
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Speaker 1: and not education. It's about the schools aren't teaching kids

875
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Speaker 1: how to think, but what to think, And somehow that turned.

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Speaker 1: Do you have some sense of when that happened? He

877
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Speaker 1: used to be we would have arguments in colleges about

878
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Speaker 1: the great issues pro and con Vietnam War, yes or no?

879
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Speaker 1: Or Kennedy nuclear freeze, yes or no. I'm sorry Reagan.

880
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Speaker 1: And now it's always about how how It's not the

881
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Speaker 1: how to teach, but what what principles to accept? How

882
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Speaker 1: did public education get out of the education business and

883
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Speaker 1: in the indoctrination business.

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Speaker 12: Well, part of it is that because ideology sort of

885
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Speaker 12: crept in and then steamrolled in and then completely captured

886
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Speaker 12: higher ed these teacher training programs, I mean, the students

887
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Speaker 12: are just marinating in far left ideology and being told

888
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Speaker 12: I mean they are told that they're teaching of the

889
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Speaker 12: political act and that their responsibility is to create agents

890
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Speaker 12: of social change, and there are obviously specific issues for

891
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Speaker 12: which they are supposed to do that this is not

892
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Speaker 12: a agent of social change, right, And then you pick

893
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Speaker 12: from a menu of of beliefs or opinions that lay

894
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Speaker 12: in some on the left and some on the right.

895
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Speaker 12: These are sort of all quite far left positions. So

896
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Speaker 12: that's that's part of how it happened. Because if you

897
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Speaker 12: trained a whole bunch of people and cohorts of teachers

898
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Speaker 12: year after year, and you tell them your job is

899
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Speaker 12: to be an activist and they don't think that they're

900
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Speaker 12: doing anything wrong. The other thing is that they have

901
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Speaker 12: also really only heard one side of the story for

902
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Speaker 12: the most part. So when we sometimes pull up phillibi

903
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Speaker 12: or we look at sources that teachers are using in schools,

904
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Speaker 12: what you'll see is you'll see VOX, and you'll see

905
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Speaker 12: Hoppington posts, and you'll see MSNBC, and you'll see, you know,

906
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Speaker 12: all of these articles. It's just all sort of from

907
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Speaker 12: one First of all, they're sort of not great sources

908
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Speaker 12: in terms of reliability, But putting that aside, they also

909
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Speaker 12: all kind of come from one side of the aisle.

910
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Speaker 12: So if a teacher wanted to have a smart discussion

911
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Speaker 12: about voter id laws, you can't do that if you've

912
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Speaker 12: only if students have only been presented with one set

913
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Speaker 12: of arguments to That's part. But the other thing is

914
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Speaker 12: that twenty sixteen, people's brains broke all over the country,

915
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Speaker 12: and so well, I think that much of what we're

916
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Speaker 12: seeing in schools had already started by twenty ten. It

917
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Speaker 12: does seem like twenty sixteen is when things started to

918
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Speaker 12: go a little bit more off the rails. And then

919
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty, with the death of George Floyd coupled with

920
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Speaker 12: the COVID thing. It just when everything went totally bananas.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, I would say May first is going to

922
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Speaker 1: be walkout day. This walk all over the country now

923
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Speaker 1: because of ice and the presidents ordered Ice to get

924
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Speaker 1: into into TSA and all that kind of stuff. So

925
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're gonna have more walkout. So

926
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Speaker 1: I look at Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.

927
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Speaker 1: She was a racist, she wanted to kill blacks. And

928
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Speaker 1: now the planned paranoid facilities are mainly located in the

929
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Speaker 1: black community. There's little media scrutiny of Margaret Sanger as

930
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Speaker 1: the founder and leader of Birth of birth control slash abortion,

931
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Speaker 1: and the abortion clinics are in the black community disproportionately.

932
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Speaker 1: Margaret Sanger set the tune as a racial eugenist, and

933
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Speaker 1: she was a racist, and she wanted to kill black babies,

934
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Speaker 1: and she put her clinics in the Planned Parenthood and

935
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Speaker 1: that's a funder of the of the Democrat Party. Planned Parenthood. Well,

936
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Speaker 1: we got to run up against the clock. And once

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Speaker 1: again Eric and Sansey of Defending Education dot org. I

938
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Speaker 1: got your website up. It's fabulous, but the icons are following.

939
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Speaker 1: The icons are falling everywhere, and I say, let it happen,

940
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Speaker 1: And the biggest one is going to be M. L.

941
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Speaker 1: King Jr. Next year. If this stuff comes out, Okay,

942
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Speaker 1: give us thirty seconds. If the worst, the worst comes

943
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Speaker 1: out about Martin Luther King Junior, what's the what's the

944
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Speaker 1: media and the civil rights movement're going to do about

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Speaker 1: that one?

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Speaker 12: I actually have no idea. I would put him in

947
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Speaker 12: a totally different category than Caesar Shavas in terms of

948
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Speaker 12: what that would mean for people, you know, in terms

949
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Speaker 12: of coming to terms with that. I also think that

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Speaker 12: Caesar Shavas, while he is a huge figure in schools,

951
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Speaker 12: much more in the Southwest and in California than it

952
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Speaker 12: is nationwide. So I don't know much. I don't know

953
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Speaker 12: nearly as much as you apparently about this Martin Luther

954
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Speaker 12: King and these records that could be coming up. But yeah,

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Speaker 12: that will be that'll be a huge, huge deal for

956
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Speaker 12: probab for everybody, I think across the country. But certainly

957
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Speaker 12: the schools will need to grapple with that in a

958
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Speaker 12: much bigger way than they will with the Caesar Shavas thing.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what his bio says, there's a bio that's

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Speaker 1: it's been out, and I hope in a sense we

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Speaker 1: have to have some icons, and I guess we need them,

962
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Speaker 1: but they got to be the right kind. Not for

963
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Speaker 1: what they did in their private life, but they did

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Speaker 1: publicly and that's what's important.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: And the thing about icons too is I just think

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Speaker 12: we overdo it right, like like you can have an

968
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Speaker 12: icon without talking about them as if they're saying, you know,

969
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Speaker 12: yes exactly, and that that's the mistake I think a

970
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Speaker 12: lot of people have made with a lot of these people.

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Speaker 1: All right, Erica, we got to run defending education dot

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Speaker 1: over go do it again once again. Thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you very much, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham, with

975
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Speaker 1: you every sun yet, Billy Cunningham, The Great Americas. Erica

976
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Speaker 1: brings up a lot of great points. And I'll say this,

977
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Speaker 1: whether it's George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, her own slaves,

978
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Speaker 1: or whether it's Cesar Chavez who seemingly had sex with

979
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Speaker 1: right children are coming out next year. According to one biographer,

980
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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. It's going to be depicted into

981
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Speaker 1: very negative light by the FBI and all the wiretaps

982
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Speaker 1: they had. I would like to think that we deal

983
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Speaker 1: with people and the best things they've done publicly and

984
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Speaker 1: not the worst things they've done privately. Let's continue with more.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next is doctor cart Masselli Do No Harm,

986
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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the Great American, with you every son, you

987
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Speaker 1: know Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, what's happening

988
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Speaker 1: in medical schools is illustrative maybe of the entire nation,

989
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Speaker 1: and that is certain political doctorates are pumped into the

990
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Speaker 1: minds of young medical students, law students. I spoke to

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Speaker 1: a law school class about a year ago, and two

992
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Speaker 1: thirds of the class for female and white males had

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Speaker 1: their day. But now it's over. And also, Do No

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Speaker 1: Harm is a great website, and what they do is

995
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Speaker 1: it's a five to one C three that focuses on

996
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Speaker 1: award by merit and not by sexual gender or by race.

997
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Speaker 1: And doctor Kurt Mascelli had a column up with the

998
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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, which is number one Do No Harms

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Speaker 1: Chief Medical Officer. He's urging the CDC to create new

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Speaker 1: medical diagnoses codes for gender transition. The article was entitled

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Speaker 1: the CDC can help those disfigured by gender affirming care.

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Speaker 1: And doctor Kurt Mascelli, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: First of all, describe the breath of the problem, and

1004
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Speaker 1: that we have thousands of young kids who've been incentivized

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Speaker 1: by the culture and by their teachers in the medical

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Speaker 1: community to go through gender altering care which disfigures their

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Speaker 1: body before they're eighteen years old. Explain the death of

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Speaker 1: the problem if you would.

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Speaker 14: Doctor, absolutely pleasure to be here, and thanks for having me,

1010
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Speaker 14: and you're absolutely right. We did a database to stop

1011
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Speaker 14: the harm database that looked at claims data for medical

1012
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Speaker 14: transition that was undertaken in miners from twenty nineteen to

1013
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty three, and we found that over fifty seven

1014
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Speaker 14: hundred miners that had surgeries related to gender transition, and

1015
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Speaker 14: that could be mistectomy or lower genital surgeries and the like.

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Speaker 14: And more so, I think upwards of fourteen thousand kids

1017
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Speaker 14: had had some sort of medical intervention puberty blockers, hormones

1018
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Speaker 14: or these surgeries. And so the problem is significant, especially

1019
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Speaker 14: when we see clinicians unfortunately moving kids towards these medical

1020
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Speaker 14: pathways of puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries instead of focusing

1021
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Speaker 14: on trying to heal their mind and help them through

1022
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Speaker 14: the problems and applying appropriate psychological interventions to help to

1023
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Speaker 14: help these kids.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a time frame of twenty nineteen to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three or three years after that fact. So

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Speaker 1: explain what the fourteen thousand kids, that number might be

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand right now, puberty blockers, what do they seek

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Speaker 1: to do? Explain that?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, So oftentimes, again, these are kids who are vulnerable kids.

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Speaker 14: They're going through distress over their gender, and they're being

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Speaker 14: told that they maybe were born in the wrong body.

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Speaker 14: And unfortunately, some of these children might start believing that,

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Speaker 14: and their parents are obviously trying to get them help.

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Speaker 14: They're trying to help them through this. And you know

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Speaker 14: what normally would have happened decades ago is we would

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Speaker 14: just sort of let things move as they would provide

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Speaker 14: some help as possible, and the vast majority of these kids,

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Speaker 14: upwards of eighty and ninety percent of them would desist.

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Speaker 14: They would be very comfortable back in living in their

1040
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Speaker 14: sex at birth, so to speak. So I think we

1041
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Speaker 14: have changed that model recently. And so if a kid

1042
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Speaker 14: comes in with such distress. That child may now be

1043
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Speaker 14: offered puberty blockers and so effectively stopping their puberty and

1044
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Speaker 14: allowing them then to proceed to cross sex hormones and

1045
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Speaker 14: other such interventions to contribute to the idea of trying

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Speaker 14: to change their secondary sex characteristics, and when we know

1047
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Speaker 14: that nobody can can truly change their sex, but the

1048
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Speaker 14: idea of trying to take on other characteristics. But there

1049
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Speaker 14: are significant consequences to this, I mean not only the

1050
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Speaker 14: psychological impact on the individual, but certainly with puberty blockers,

1051
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Speaker 14: we know they impact one's bone mineral density. Can they

1052
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Speaker 14: even make one have osteoporosis osteopenia. They can impact one's cognition,

1053
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Speaker 14: and they can also impact one's fertility in the future.

1054
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Speaker 14: And so here we have kids who really don't have

1055
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Speaker 14: an understanding or an appreciation for any capacity as to

1056
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Speaker 14: what might life be like ten twenty years from now?

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Speaker 6: Do I want a family? What do I sort of envision?

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Speaker 14: And unfortunately, we're allowing children to sort of drive the

1059
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Speaker 14: decisions here, as opposed to having the medical community act

1060
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Speaker 14: as the professionals that they should be and recognize that

1061
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Speaker 14: this is a child in distress, This is a child

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Speaker 14: who needs help from a psychological standpoint, and not being

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Speaker 14: rushed into a pathway that leads them to really just

1064
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Speaker 14: these terrible difficulties that will cause lifelong complications, irreversible harms.

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Speaker 14: There's so much more that we should be doing and

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Speaker 14: can be doing as providers, and unfortunately this medical pathway

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Speaker 14: is just simply without benefit and with significant harms.

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Speaker 1: I guess the first order of business for a doctor

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Speaker 1: like yourself is do no harm, which is, don't hurt

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Speaker 1: the patient. And this is something relatively new. If twenty

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Speaker 1: or thirty years ago in America, some child presented as

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Speaker 1: being in a different body, that's called some sort of

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Speaker 1: a delusion or schizophrenia, in which case the child would

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Speaker 1: be referred for psychological or psychiatric intervention to help understand

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Speaker 1: where you are. But if there's a I don't know,

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Speaker 1: thirty to forty thousand in the last seven years that

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Speaker 1: have gone through puberty blockers, and that means many times

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Speaker 1: a girl who wants to be a boy having mental

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Speaker 1: difficulties can have children later on, or a boy who

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Speaker 1: wants to become a girl has testicular or cancer to

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Speaker 1: cut off those sex organs. That's rather permanent. Why did

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Speaker 1: this happen. Can you is there money involved. I've had

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Speaker 1: one or two guests on moms and dads that felt

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Speaker 1: as if they wanted a live daughter instead of a

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Speaker 1: dead son, and so they went along with it. So

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Speaker 1: they were in a situation where their doctors said this

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Speaker 1: has to happen, the hospital said it's got to happen.

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Speaker 1: The culture they live and said it has to happen,

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Speaker 1: and it's a thing to do, and they received attention whatever.

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Speaker 1: And then down the road, when you get to be

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Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years old and you can't have children

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Speaker 1: or your body is deformed because of the medical intervention,

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Speaker 1: then where do you go to get back your body?

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Speaker 1: There was a case a few months back where it

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Speaker 1: was in New York or California. A jury awarded a

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Speaker 1: couple million dollars. Because children cannot make these decisions on

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Speaker 1: their own. A child can't get extra strain tylanol, a child,

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old can't get a tattoo without permission.

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Speaker 1: So if a parent believes in this gender dysph you

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Speaker 1: and the parent gives permission, and the original doctor gives permission,

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Speaker 1: and the hospital does it, and it makes it look

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Speaker 1: as if this is society intervening medically when they should

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Speaker 1: not intervene, and so from do no harm. You're working

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Speaker 1: with lots of states, but recently the state of New

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Speaker 1: York says, we're going to ignore the CDC. We're going

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Speaker 1: to keep doing what we're doing. So what do you

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Speaker 1: say to parents who believe the culture it tells them

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Speaker 1: your child's and the wrong body. The treating physician says

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Speaker 1: we have to do this, the experts say we have

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Speaker 1: to do this, the hospital doesn't. So does that give

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Speaker 1: permission of the medical industry for this to take place?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, We've got to make sure those parents aren't listening

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Speaker 14: to those providers and those physicians and those and that

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Speaker 14: societal influence, because that, unfortunately has been so damaging. And

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Speaker 14: when you speak really that manipulative statement that said, would

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Speaker 14: you rather have a dead son or a living daughter?

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Speaker 14: That is a lie And unfortunately, you know it, really

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Speaker 14: it gets to the heart of the matter that we've

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Speaker 14: manipulated parents into sort of moving into a direction that

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Speaker 14: harms their child. Parents want to defend their children, they

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Speaker 14: want to provide the best for them. And I think

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Speaker 14: it's so important for us to get this knowledge out

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Speaker 14: there and for the profession to act as a profession

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Speaker 14: and not this sort of child driven, autonomy focused model.

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Speaker 14: Because you're right, there are other ethical principles that are

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Speaker 14: so key in medicine, one of them being knew no harm,

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Speaker 14: as well as beneficent doing the right thing for the patient,

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Speaker 14: and we as medical professionals, we can't be like burger

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Speaker 14: king and have it your way or anything of the sort.

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Speaker 6: We need to do the right thing for.

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Speaker 14: That individual, understanding the complexity of what they have. I mean, oftentimes,

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Speaker 14: many of these kids have comorbid psychiatric illness upwards of

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Speaker 14: seventy eighty percent, Many of them have been impacted by

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Speaker 14: significant traumas. We need to provide a good quality assessment

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Speaker 14: to understand why is the child experiencing the distress that

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Speaker 14: they're articulating, and to get at the heart of what

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Speaker 14: is at that distress, not to sort of say, oh,

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Speaker 14: it's gender dystoria automatically on the train to hormones and

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Speaker 14: puberty blockers and surgeries. So I think there's really a

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Speaker 14: call here for the medical system to act in the

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Speaker 14: appropriate frame of mind. And we saw that with the

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Speaker 14: American Society of Plastic Surgeons, which a month ago came

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Speaker 14: out with a statement saying that we shouldn't be doing

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Speaker 14: these things, and for them, it's surgeries that we shouldn't

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Speaker 14: be doing. That this is not something that should be

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Speaker 14: happening in kids at all. And in fact, they offered

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Speaker 14: it a very solid ethical framework. They looked at the

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Speaker 14: evidence and the data and again there is very low

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Speaker 14: evidence of any sort of benefit significant harms, and they've

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Speaker 14: really outlined, I would say, a statement that other medical

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Speaker 14: societies in our country need to take hold. We need

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Speaker 14: to look at the data, look at the evidence, even

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Speaker 14: look overseas, look at that information. And I would urge

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Speaker 14: parents to do that. To read the CAST report, look

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Speaker 14: at the HHS reviews, see what progressive nations like Sweden

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Speaker 14: and Finland that have said, no, we're not doing this,

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Speaker 14: this is crazy. We need psychosocial supports, we need psychological interventions.

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Speaker 14: And I would hope that parents can really approach it

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Speaker 14: with a with a frame of mind that we've got

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Speaker 14: to defend our kids. We've got to keep them healthy

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Speaker 14: and well, and we've got to really aim to understand

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Speaker 14: what is the true origin of that distress so we

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Speaker 14: can get the child what they really need, not on

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Speaker 14: this dangerous pathway.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that the old days of having psychological treatment.

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Speaker 1: Psychiatric treatment is the way to handle this, not surgery

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Speaker 1: and not puberty blockers, which can be very destructive. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct? So you're not urgent to do nothing, You're

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Speaker 1: urging to do.

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Speaker 14: What well, and at times watchful waiting could be the

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Speaker 14: best treatment there as well.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's there's often a key to that.

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Speaker 14: And again, eighty to ninety percent of these these children

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Speaker 14: have desisted in traditional frameworks, and oftentimes that's with watchful waiting.

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Speaker 14: I think it's important that we can't ignore folks who

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Speaker 14: have comorbid psychiatric conditions. If someone's also struggling with depression

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Speaker 14: or anxiety, yeah, we need to make sure that we're

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Speaker 14: doing the right thing to care for that individuals with

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Speaker 14: those symptoms that they might be having. And again not

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Speaker 14: claim that everything is is this gender dysphoria and such.

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Speaker 14: So I think it's important for us to understand the

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Speaker 14: whole person. And for some it might be that watchful

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Speaker 14: waiting is the appropriate course. For others, it might be

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Speaker 14: making sure that we're addressing the trauma and the psychological

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Speaker 14: challenges that they've had. But that's an important part of

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Speaker 14: the assessment and of the process. And unfortunately it's that

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Speaker 14: in many of these gender clinics. Unfortunately, supply creates its

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Speaker 14: own demand. And if the gender clinic is doing puberty

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Speaker 14: blockers and harmones, and that's what you get, and.

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Speaker 6: That is that is just a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Is this political? I can see blue cities and blue

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Speaker 1: states because the name Trump might be attached to some

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Speaker 1: of this that is political and that you resist this

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Speaker 1: because of politics, Well, what's it work here? Politics or

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Speaker 1: medicine are both.

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Speaker 14: It's truly unfortunate that has become political. But I will

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Speaker 14: say that if you look at surveys of people and

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Speaker 14: you look at Democrats Republicans that are being surveyed, the

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Speaker 14: majority believe that kids shouldn't have puberty blockers in harmones.

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Speaker 14: But that's not what we should do. And that includes Democrats.

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Speaker 14: And that was New York Times that had done a

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Speaker 14: survey I think it was about a year ago or

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Speaker 14: so on this topic. And again it is it is

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Speaker 14: regular run of the mill Democrats who believe that, yeah,

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Speaker 14: we want to keep kids safe. These are not the

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Speaker 14: This is not the way to go. We've got to

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Speaker 14: make sure that we're not giving them pood blockers and harmones.

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Speaker 14: But unfortunately, in the political class and even within academic medicine,

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Speaker 14: there has been this sort of ideological capture where activists

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Speaker 14: or leading the way. And that's why, at least from

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Speaker 14: the medical perspective, it's so important for us and for

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Speaker 14: common sense physicians to re engage with their medical society

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Speaker 14: because we need to bring common sense back to medicine,

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Speaker 14: and certainly on this issue, I mean, this is one

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Speaker 14: that it has obviously terribly hurt so many kids, but

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Speaker 14: it's also hurt the trust in medicine. It's hurt something

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Speaker 14: that's so sacred that we need to make sure is there.

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Speaker 14: And when doctors aren't reading the evidence and following the

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Speaker 14: evidence and recognizing that these interventions are not the way

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Speaker 14: to go, we have a problem of medicine. So there's

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Speaker 14: a real calling for us to get back to the

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Speaker 14: basics of our profession. And that's something I would certainly

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Speaker 14: urge many of my colleagues to do, to continue to engage,

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Speaker 14: to get involved, to push the activists out of our

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Speaker 14: societies and bring common sense back to medicine.

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Speaker 1: Could doctors lose their licenses that these continue, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: I would think in twenty years, we'll look back upon

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Speaker 1: this era and said, how in the world world did

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Speaker 1: the American Medical Association and thousands of doctors actually buy

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Speaker 1: into the idea that there are one hundred and five

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Speaker 1: different genders and that you are trapped in the wrong body.

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Speaker 1: Instead of treating the mind, they're cutting off sex organs

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Speaker 1: of children. Might we look back on this air and say,

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Speaker 1: what in the hell were you thinking?

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Speaker 14: I think unfortunately we will, as much as we've looked

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Speaker 14: back and looked back at the botomies and said, wow,

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Speaker 14: what were we thinking?

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Speaker 6: Or eugenics, what were we thinking? What did we do?

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Speaker 4: We Wow?

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Speaker 14: We have harmed people in such a significant way. And

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Speaker 14: you know, unfortunately, there's much good that medicine has done.

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Speaker 14: I don't want to dismiss that. I mean, there's the

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Speaker 14: tremendous benefits that we have seen, but there's also been

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Speaker 14: tremendous tragedies that we've seen with medicine. And again, that's

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Speaker 14: why we need to look at all of our ethical

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Speaker 14: principles and operate in such a manner, and unfortunately, medicine

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Speaker 14: has not been able to do that effectively. And that's

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Speaker 14: why we've looked to the legal system in the sense

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Speaker 14: of making sure that de transitioners, people that have been

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Speaker 14: harmed by many of these procedures and interventions as children,

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Speaker 14: are able to have justice and have their day in court.

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Speaker 14: And as you mentioned in New York, there was a

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Speaker 14: two million dollar verdict for for one such individual who

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Speaker 14: was harmed where a psychologist had had really sort of

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Speaker 14: pushed her in a direction towards this this affirming model,

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Speaker 14: and she ended up having surgery. And you know, it

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Speaker 14: was actually the psychologist who who was on the hook

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Speaker 14: for the most of that two million dollar verdict because

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Speaker 14: of the role that was entailed and the and the

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Speaker 14: you know, quote unquote treatment provided. But I think you're right.

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Speaker 14: I think unfortunately, we're going to look back and see

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Speaker 14: this as a very very dark chapter in medicine. And

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Speaker 14: that's why it's important for organizations like Do No Harm

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Speaker 14: and so many others out there to do what we

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Speaker 14: can to support the transitioners, to support those individuals who've

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Speaker 14: been harmed by medicine, because we we've got to make

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Speaker 14: sure that they get the care they need. I mean, these, unfortunately,

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Speaker 14: are kids who have had significant years of hormonal exposure.

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Speaker 14: That is that not you know, obviously the opposite the

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Speaker 14: crossnex harmones. They've they've also had surgeries. We've got to

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Speaker 14: do much better for these kids. We've got to help them,

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Speaker 14: help them through just the all the the trauma that

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Speaker 14: medicine has put them through, and make sure we're giving

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Speaker 14: them good quality healthcare. And that's why we went to

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Speaker 14: the CDC because we need codes for this. We don't

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Speaker 14: have diagnostic codes that actually account for dessistance or detransition.

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Speaker 14: And unfortunately, when it's not in the Medical Dictionary, which

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Speaker 14: has seventy thousand codes in it. When it's not in

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Speaker 14: the Medical Dictionary, unfortunately, it's.

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Speaker 6: Harder to do real world research.

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Speaker 14: It's harder to make sure that we're building clinical guidelines,

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Speaker 14: and effectively, these folks become invisible, and that's not what

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Speaker 14: we need. We need to make sure they are visible

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Speaker 14: so they're getting the care that they need. And also

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Speaker 14: that medicine is recognizing a very real challenge that we

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Speaker 14: have and we've got to step up to the plate

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Speaker 14: and really do something to stop these gender affirming procedures

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Speaker 14: from happening in the first place, but then also making

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Speaker 14: sure that we're caring for those folks who have been

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Speaker 14: harmed by these procedures to make sure that they're getting

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Speaker 14: good quality care at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's good to let loose the trial. A

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Speaker 1: turn used to sue everybody, and that'll stop it. Every

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Speaker 1: now and then, we trial attorneys have some impact in

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Speaker 1: a positive way. But I would think suing children's hospitals,

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Speaker 1: suing the doctors that do this, Suing the companies producing

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Speaker 1: the puberty blockers. For a fourteen year old girl to

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Speaker 1: be subjected to puberty blockers, which often means she can

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Speaker 1: never have a child, I don't know where they go

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Speaker 1: back to get their youth. And many of the parents

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Speaker 1: are well intended, but they're misinformed. But when you go

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Speaker 1: to a doctor or a children's hospital, they've got to

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Speaker 1: set you straight. And there are tens of thousands, maybe

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand kids that have suffered through this regime.

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Speaker 1: Much like the Tuskegee Institute when it came to syphilis

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Speaker 1: for black males, we look back up on that and say,

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Speaker 1: how in the hell did that happen? In about twenty years,

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Speaker 1: maybe now we're going to look back and say, how

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Speaker 1: in the world did great children's hospitals and the medical

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Speaker 1: community butcher these children and ruin their lives and profit

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Speaker 1: or whatever might have been the mode. But it's got

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Speaker 1: to stop. We got to run. Doctor Kurt Masseli, do

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Speaker 1: no Harm. The website's great many other great stuff for

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Speaker 1: informations up there, including whether black patients benefit from having

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Speaker 1: black doctors, and whether female patients benefit from having female doctors,

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Speaker 1: and whether white male patients benefit having white male that's

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Speaker 1: another complete topic, of course, the answer is no. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: doctor Kurt Mascella, you're a great American and thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Wonderful stuff.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Doc, thanks so much for having me. Take care,

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Speaker 6: God bless you.

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Speaker 1: Let's continue Bill cunning In the Great American Live with

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Speaker 1: you every Sunday night. Billy cunning In the Great American.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kurt Mascelli often makes a lot of sense. The

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Speaker 1: doctors number one are taught do no harm. And transgenderism

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01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: is so embedded today in liberalism that the first thing

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Speaker 1: happening is that harm is done to especially children who

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Speaker 1: simply are confused about their gender, or about their sex,

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Speaker 1: or about confusion they have in their life. And doctor

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Speaker 1: Curt Mascelli points out, and I certainly believe that over

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Speaker 1: the next twenty years, we're going to look back upon

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Speaker 1: this era and the doctor's going to have some explaining

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Speaker 1: to do when it comes to hormonal treatment of puberty

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Speaker 1: blockers and automately surgery of children who simply had other

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Speaker 1: mental issues and reacted as if it could be solved

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Speaker 1: by puity blockers or by surgery, which is not the case. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's continue with more. Coming up next is Dan Doyle.

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Speaker 1: I've watched him on Fox News forgot a bit. He

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Speaker 1: is the answers when it comes to things such as

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Speaker 1: oil prices, what's gonna happen based upon what's predicted for

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and more, and we'll see what happens down the road.

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Speaker 1: He's wonderful when it comes to all matters. Relative to

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Speaker 1: Bill cunning Into Grant American with you and all great

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Speaker 1: Americans every.

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Speaker 3: Who's been recognized as radio's best, the recipient of not one,

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Speaker 3: but two prestigious Marconi Awards for his broadcast excellence.

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Speaker 6: The one and only Bill Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: By Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, what's happening

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: in the Homuz Straight is affecting the entire world, and

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01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: the presidents meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister to get

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Speaker 1: their help. Largely Europe has turned their back on us,

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Speaker 1: which is a regular event. But if you looked at

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Speaker 1: the price of gasoline a gallon here in Ohio, it's

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01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: about three seven a gallon, and it's likely to go

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01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: up over the next few weeks and months as this

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Speaker 1: thing either winds up or winds down. But as Americans,

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Speaker 1: we understand that when you're in a war, you don't

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Speaker 1: know the outcome. You may plan certain things to occur,

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Speaker 1: but often they do not. The Trumpster will react to

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Speaker 1: what's going on, and away we go. We know one

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Speaker 1: thing in nuclear armed Iran would be a danger to

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Speaker 1: the entire world. And right now they're setting ablaze their

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Speaker 1: liquefied natural gas fields. Whether it's in the UAE or

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Speaker 1: the Iran. All hell's breaking loose. So what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen the next few days, few weeks. Dan Doyle Dan

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Speaker 1: Doyle is with it Reliance Wealth Services. He's an expert

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Speaker 1: on such things. Has a great op ed piece of

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Speaker 1: Fox News Digital and he says that New York's fracking

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Speaker 1: band has cost residence eleven thousand dollars per person. Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: et cetera in a similar circumstance because of fracking West

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Speaker 1: Virginia O high. In fact, the whole world's in much

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Speaker 1: better shape. But Janan you and on al is not saying,

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Speaker 1: Dan Doyle, Fox News Digital and Dan Doyle, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham showing Dan first of all, give us

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Speaker 1: an overview as to where we are now and where

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Speaker 1: we anticipate what's going to happen with a gallons of

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Speaker 1: gas in the days and weeks ahead.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Bill. I'll back up a little bit if

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Speaker 4: you don't mind it, a little bit of a narrative.

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Speaker 4: So beginning of the year oil was really bad. Oil

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Speaker 4: price is very low. Gas was doing a little bit

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Speaker 4: better because the AI story, but not great and natural

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Speaker 4: gas that is. And we you know Harold Ham from Continental,

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Speaker 4: you know, a very wealthy oil man, one of the

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Speaker 4: pioneers of shale, laid down all his rigs, all his

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Speaker 4: drilling rigs at North Dakota and the bock and shale,

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Speaker 4: and I was seeing it all over. You know, we

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Speaker 4: fracked back east and we drill out west for our

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Speaker 4: own account in Wyoming, and you know, everybody who was

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Speaker 4: starting to lay down rings this is starting in January December,

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Speaker 4: you know, or price at fifty five dollars. That was

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Speaker 4: kind of the no go number. No, you just can't,

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Speaker 4: you can't drill at that level. So then suddenly the

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Speaker 4: Iranian conflict starts and it's you know, all hell's breaking

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Speaker 4: loose out in the Hormu straight but also in the

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Speaker 4: domestic market because we're two years, really starting the third

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Speaker 4: year of a really tough decline, and there's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of layoffs, a lot of deferred maintenance on equipment,

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Speaker 4: track equipment, drilling rigs, and we're not ready for this.

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Speaker 4: So right now we're trying to line up a drilling

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Speaker 4: program for this summer and it's tough to find a rig.

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Speaker 4: If I was looking for a rig in February, you've

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Speaker 4: been tripping over them. Same thing with frat fleets. You

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Speaker 4: just can't find them right now. So it's changing quickly

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Speaker 4: and over there, you know, I think this is going

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Speaker 4: to go on a while. My guess is as good

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Speaker 4: as anybody's but even if the US pulls out, now

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01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 4: you have the Gulf States getting more and more involved

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Speaker 4: in store destroying infrastructure, and it could continue. I mean,

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Speaker 4: even if we're not doing it, someone's gonna be left fighting.

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Speaker 4: I know, the rains will go gorilla and so you know,

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Speaker 4: and that's gonna be that puts a on oil prices,

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01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 4: so or you know, risk premium. So I don't think

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Speaker 4: we're going back to where we were.

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Speaker 1: Dan, give us that number again. Let's say five six

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Speaker 1: months ago, you're in the business. That Ham guy wants

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Speaker 1: to be a US senator by the way, from from Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: That's another story. But what is the level yeah, which

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Speaker 1: I think would be great, But nonetheless, what is the

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Speaker 1: level at which you lay down your rigs? If it's

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars a barrel? Is out a disaster for your

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Speaker 1: industry really bad. There's two ways to think about it.

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Speaker 4: One is, if you have an existing production, you're going

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Speaker 4: to keep producing producing it Because oil this is so

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Speaker 4: capital intensive. You're always you know, you're always gonna have partners,

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have banks, you know, you know all of that,

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Speaker 4: and you you have to keep cash flow. So where

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Speaker 4: people well shine, wells is when their lease operating cost,

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 4: the cost to produce and move oil, exceeds the cost

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01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 4: to sell it, so that that happens here and there.

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Speaker 4: But generally through this downturn, people are going to keep pumping.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, the downturn of last year and part

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Speaker 4: of the year before. So but to drill, you know,

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01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 4: and sometimes those lease shopping might be twenty five to

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Speaker 4: thirty dollars a barrel. That's on the high side, but

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Speaker 4: it happens, so, you know, it gets below thirty, you

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Speaker 4: see a lot of shut ins. Maybe thirty five, okay,

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Speaker 4: on the drilling side. When it hit fifty five, everybody

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01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 4: said that's it.

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Speaker 6: That was sort of the note go zone.

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Speaker 4: It was flirting around sixty. But at fifty five nobody

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01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 4: wants to add and nobody wants to go. You can't

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Speaker 4: make any money there, So.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five is a bad number. Is the sweet spot?

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Speaker 1: About seventy five dollars a barrow You can make a

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01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 1: little bit of a profit. People are employed thousands of jobs,

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Speaker 1: and seventy five kind of like is the right area? Correct?

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely, Bill, it's seventy five to eighty. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're talking about ham He says seventy eight eighty, you know,

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Speaker 4: so upper seventies, We don't. I don't believe that's inflationary.

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Speaker 4: During the Abomba administration, we have oil above one hundred

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Speaker 4: for a couple of years and it was probably a

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Speaker 4: little inflationary, but nothing like you know, during the Bid administration.

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Speaker 4: And so it's what you need. The cost to drill

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Speaker 4: a well. And since say twenty eighteen has nearly doubled

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 4: yet the cost, you know, but the price of oil

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Speaker 4: has been really low and relative to that, so it's

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01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 4: you know, things are more efficient in drilling, particularly in drilling.

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Speaker 4: You're getting a lot more done for less, but it's

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Speaker 4: still it's tight, and it's been really tight. So now

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Speaker 4: everybody's you know, we're moving towards this program. We own

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Speaker 4: our own fract fleet, so we can get frackier no problem.

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Speaker 4: Chris Wright, the US Energy Secretary, his old company, Liberty

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Speaker 4: Energy that he founded, which is really a phenomenal frag company,

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Speaker 4: talking to the one of the managers of the Rocky

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Speaker 4: Mountain Division, and they had nothing on their schedule or

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Speaker 4: nearly nothing in February. Now they're sold out to the

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Speaker 4: end of the year. How happened since you know, March first,

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01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 4: So drill and riggs are the same thing. You can't

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01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: find them. You know, it's a it's going to get

1476
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 4: really really tight, and a US response in a sudden

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01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: increase in production isn't really going to happen. That it's

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01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 4: gonna take a long time to We're just honestly, it's

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01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 4: it's what's coming off the market overseas. We can't make

1480
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 4: that up. But it's not gonna be made up in

1481
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 4: Venezuela either. So what happens is will be higher prices

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01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: unless we can uh, you know, make peace with the

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01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 4: Iranian uh, you know forces that are left.

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Speaker 1: Well, you bring up a great point. America's infrastructure is

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01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 1: not created to handle this kind of a crisis. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at my right that Brent crude is about one

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Speaker 1: fourteen a barrel. Wt I crewed is about one hundred

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01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: and one dollars a barrel. At those at those levels,

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01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: gaes lane equates to almost four dollars a gallon in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest. Of course, in California it's six and seven

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Speaker 1: dollars a gallon because of taxes, and you're saying taxes, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure we have is such that even as somebody

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Speaker 1: would say to you and Ham and all these other guys,

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01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: we need to get thirty percent more production. That is

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Speaker 1: not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: No, that's not gonna happen. Not any that's just not

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Speaker 4: going to happen. I mean, you know there's stuff like

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01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 4: out West, you have all these lawsuits, these activist groups

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01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 4: they sue over you know, grass or birds or water

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Speaker 4: for whatever, and they tie up lease transactions for years

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Speaker 4: of all there.

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Speaker 6: It just drill somewhere else.

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01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 4: But it's it's a nuisance in that, you know, you

1504
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 4: have to move around.

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 4: Not that big of deal. Is All they do is

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01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 4: make it more expensive for consumers. The same thing with California.

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01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 4: They you know, they put these green mandates on the

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01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 4: overregulate industry.

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Speaker 1: We all know that about.

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Speaker 4: California, and they shut the refineries down. People still driving

1512
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 4: gas cars that are still driving for a long, long

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01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 4: long time. The grid is nowhere near ready to move

1514
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 4: transportation onto, you know, the California grid, and consumers don't

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01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 4: seem to want it anyway. So they you know, so

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01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 4: they're they're shipping, they're oil in from from outside where

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01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 4: they could excuse me, they're they're gasoline. They could have

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01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 4: produced it right on site, but they just shut down

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01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,440
Speaker 4: another refinery. New York does the same thing. They disallow

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01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 4: fracking in the Marcella's shale, which is hugely prolific. Would

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01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 4: be would be just a game changer for New York residents.

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01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 4: You know, twenty seven excuse me, twenty six percent of

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01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 4: all children in New York City live out below the

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01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 4: poverty liver level. Why why wouldn't they allow racking? Why

1525
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 4: why wouldn't they allow this cass extraction take off? It

1526
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 4: would be huge, not measured in millions, but measured in

1527
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 4: hundreds of billions of dollars, you know, in terms of gas, uh,

1528
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 4: you know, overrides and state on property, and you know

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01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 4: taxation on you know, companies coming in workers, on and

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01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 4: on and on and and so it's just it's.

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01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 13: Just a shame.

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01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 4: It's just a shame. How you have stuff like a

1533
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 4: war going on, and everybody's concerned about oil prices, but

1534
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 4: you have a war at home, uh generally brought about

1535
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 4: and you know uh red uh excuse me, Blue states,

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01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 4: you know, and especially urban areas. So we're kind of

1537
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 4: at a little bit of a war with the left

1538
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 4: right now, and oil people are both left and right,

1539
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 4: probably more right than left. But we're kind of at

1540
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 4: a war between practicality and ideology, and the ideology war

1541
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 4: wins a lot of the times the United States. And

1542
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 4: who pays for the cost of that war?

1543
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: As the consumer, absolutely and so that you vote with

1544
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: your with your fad and with your tires. And governor

1545
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: Local of New York is making it a passion plea

1546
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: now for the so called millionaires and billionaires to be

1547
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 1: patriotic come back to New York to support all their

1548
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: social services. Well, I never heard of a state talk

1549
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: about patriotism, and many have gone to Florida because it

1550
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,759
Speaker 1: is less expensive. In fact, the how about this? The budget,

1551
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: just the budget of New York City where their eight

1552
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: million residents, is ridiculous compared to like the budget said

1553
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: so to speak, and state of California. In fact, I

1554
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: made a screen capture of this that New York City

1555
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: spends one hundred and thirty billion dollars a year on

1556
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: its annual budget for eight million people. One hundred and

1557
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: thirty billion. For example, in Florida, the entire state of

1558
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 1: Florida spends one hundred and seventeen billion which is twelve

1559
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: billion dollars less, and they have three times the number

1560
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: of people. So the budget, the budget of New York

1561
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,759
Speaker 1: City by itself is ridiculous compared to Florida.

1562
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 4: It's so bad New York. Walking through the Soho section

1563
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 4: and there was just garbage everywhere. The snow hadn't been removed,

1564
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 4: garbage was blown around, dog graft.

1565
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 11: Was all over the street.

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01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 6: I was walking.

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01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 4: It was really bad, the sidewalks, and I'm like, what happened?

1568
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 7: What happened?

1569
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 4: And so you get nothing for your money. That's why

1570
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 4: people are leaving, you know, and huge, huge taxes and

1571
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 4: you know, and you know now they'll make an appeal

1572
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 4: for patriotism. That's not really patriotism. It's it's really it's grafted,

1573
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 4: you know, and it's it's just a shame, you know,

1574
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 4: they don't they don't do anything for the poor. They'll

1575
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 4: scream about it. I guess a lot of times if

1576
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 4: you say, yeah, we're gonna help the poor, you feel

1577
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 4: better about yourself. Then you screw them with creating obstacles

1578
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 4: for industry.

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01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Well, that's same thing as freezing the rent. So landlords

1580
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: they have ever increasing maintenance expenses, ever increasing real estate

1581
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,879
Speaker 1: tax expenses. They can't pass on those expenses to apartment dwellers.

1582
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: The rents two damn high, and so the government brings

1583
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: about what they seek to avoid. You want prolific housing,

1584
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 1: you want housing to be built, but you can't build

1585
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: it because of the taxes and the maintenance. There's no

1586
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: new construction happened in New York City on apartment buildings

1587
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: because you can't it's too expensive. Then then the city government.

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01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie, who's a communist on the left, is saying, basically,

1589
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: you know what we need, we need to have a

1590
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: rent freeze. But by freezing rent, you have less units,

1591
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: not more. That they bring about where they seek to avoid.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, well, absolutely, you know, you

1593
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 4: know Mondammie and the rest. You know, really, and this

1594
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 4: includes the climate activist. It's really it's just more about control.

1595
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 4: They just have this thing where they just they're not

1596
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 4: happy unless they're you know, have absolute control and dictate

1597
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 4: how people live. And I don't know what it is,

1598
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 4: but it's it is a form of Marxism. And you know,

1599
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 4: I see gretith Unberg's made a hard turn towards Marxist.

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01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 4: She went from anti oil to uh anti Israel, and

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01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 4: now she is uh uh you know anti us will

1602
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 4: always get us and uh and but pro Iranian oil,

1603
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 4: that's worried about the oil getting out of her rant.

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01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 4: I thought she was hold it, hold it up.

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01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 6: Confused.

1606
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 1: I thought there was no oil.

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01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 4: So I she's just another Marxist. And it's just it's

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01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 4: it's really a it's really a shame. It's just it's

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01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 4: a it's just unfortunate. It's uh, you know, we're and uh, Bill,

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01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 4: I hope you don't mind.

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01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plug.

1612
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 4: I'm on the show actually because I wrote a book.

1613
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 4: It's about starting with my frag company, and it's really

1614
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 4: about entrepreneurism than it is about uh than it is

1615
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 4: about the orgastrosis. But but oil, the oil industry is

1616
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 4: truly entrepreneurial and it's driven by people finding better, quicker,

1617
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,839
Speaker 4: faster ways to do the same thing. And it's amazing.

1618
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 4: You know, when this whole shale up and started, we

1619
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 4: were drilling one mile laterals that means you you drill

1620
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 4: down and make a turn and I need to return,

1621
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 4: which is unheard of you know at the time, and

1622
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 4: then you go out and stay in zone means you know,

1623
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 4: you can. You can you could hit a dinner.

1624
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 6: Plate, you know, a mile away.

1625
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 4: And now we're now we're advanced up to people are

1626
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 4: doing you know, five miles out.

1627
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 13: It's just crazy.

1628
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 4: I mean five miles out and you can still get

1629
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 4: a dinner plate five miles away. Uh, tracking Horzon to

1630
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,879
Speaker 4: the grid. So there's always this entrepreneurism in my industry

1631
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 4: and it's uh, and it's funny. Then you you run

1632
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 4: into the bondami and the AOC types where they punish

1633
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 4: it with taxes and regulation, and uh, it's just it's

1634
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 4: a shame. It's a it's you really you really see

1635
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 4: it in both energy creation and energy policy.

1636
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. About a minute remaining Dan Doyle, and that is Uh,

1637
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: let's say things go according to Hoyle, very close to Doyle.

1638
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: Things go according to Hoyle. And let's say a month

1639
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: from now, there's peace, no home moves straight is open. Uh,

1640
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: the Middle East is back in business.

1641
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 1: People think, okay, prices are going to drop immediately. Won't

1643
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: this be prices drop over the next one year by

1644
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: the best in areas.

1645
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are saying. Beyond that,

1646
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 4: the strip is showing, you know, derivatives market is showing

1647
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 4: elevated prices, you know, in the middle of twenty twenty seven.

1648
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 4: Right now some people are saying should be higher. I

1649
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 4: think before we didn't really have a war premium on

1650
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 4: oil prices. Since Iran there is a premium. And also

1651
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know that Iran stands down. Now

1652
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 4: you've got this escalating into multi countries. You know, points

1653
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 4: getting attacked, the Amirates, Saudi Arabia. You know, it's kind

1654
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 4: of all of the above is everybody does everybody stop

1655
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 4: war at the same time the Iranians Potters gas field

1656
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 4: just just was attacked, the biggest the gas field in

1657
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 4: the world.

1658
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 7: So I don't know.

1659
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 4: I don't know that we settled back down anytime soon.

1660
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1661
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 4: And I also think there's a chance to think could

1662
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,879
Speaker 4: go to guerrilla war and you know, drones hitting tankers

1663
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 4: trying to get through the straits of Hormus.

1664
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: So which gonna have to see yep. I tell my

1665
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: conservative friends, this is something that must be done and

1666
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: must be done correctly, and it's going to take a

1667
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: long time. We live in the immediacy. Whatever happens in

1668
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: the world, we want immediate satisfaction life doesn't work that way.

1669
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you're there, Dan Doyle of Reliance Wealth Services,

1670
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: and I've seen your stuff. I've seen you on Fox News, etc.

1671
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 1: And you speak truth to power and I just appreciate

1672
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: you coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and Dan, thank

1673
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: you very much.

1674
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot.

1675
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

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01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: God bless Americall Cunningham, the Great American live with you

1677
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 1: every Sunday night. Problem And so we need consistency, we

1678
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: need people to stand together. We have to understand that

1679
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: NATO is now coming with us. In fact, this morning,

1680
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: Secretary General Mark Rutt On Sunday offered a full throated

1681
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: endorsement of President Donald Trump's military efforts against Iran. SETI

1682
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: expecial nations of NATO that come together to support him.

1683
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: Now that is a shock to some because some want

1684
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 1: to say that Jews are driving the bus, and I

1685
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 1: semis of course, but I'm telling that Japan, South Korea, India,

1686
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 1: the Five Gulf States, NATO is standing with Donald Trump

1687
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 1: in these efforts. And I know it's going to be difficult.

1688
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: I know it's hard, especially if you have a loved

1689
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: one in the military, but we must see this thing through.

1690
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: To its logical conclusion. And I pray at some point

1691
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: that peace will come to the Middle East, and it

1692
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: must come because of the policies of Donald Trump. Go

1693
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: Cunningham with you coming up next as an experson on

1694
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 1: Doctor John Mills on Wolken Moore with You Every Sunday

1695
01:34:43,720 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Night by Billy cunning Him the great American Wolchism has

1696
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 1: taken over the world, infecting like a cancer almost every

1697
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: American institution. Professor John Mills as a Canadian philosopher, psychoanalyst

1698
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,560
Speaker 1: and retired clinical psychologists, and what he has done is

1699
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,600
Speaker 1: offered the first book to offer a scholarly critique of

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01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: the social justice ideology that has saturated almost every part

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01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: of American life. And doctor John Mills, welcome to the

1702
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. Let's go back in time. We spent generations,

1703
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: many years making sure that a person was judged not

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Speaker 1: by the color of their skin, but by the content

1705
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: of their character. We worked hard to get discrimination out

1706
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: of the workplace for the persons of color, for Jews,

1707
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: for Catholics, for anyone. We have passed laws upon laws,

1708
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: and we've had thousands of lawsuits filed, and most of

1709
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 1: which have been successful. That says, you know what, you

1710
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: can't judge a person based upon their representation in a

1711
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: race or report, and a gender is based upon their

1712
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: personal behavior. So, doctor John Mills, how and when do

1713
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: we get so seriously off track?

1714
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 13: I just want to laugh hearing that, because it is comical.

1715
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 13: Isn't it that we could have that we could have

1716
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 13: such a retrograde regression? How is it that the society

1717
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 13: could come full swing and and engage in this kind

1718
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 13: of lunacy in today's age? Well, to answer the question,

1719
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 13: I mean, it's not simple. There's many different, you know,

1720
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 13: complexifications and motives behind this new culture wars. You know,

1721
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 13: it could have been within the last let's say, at

1722
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 13: let's say two decades, has been brewing in the academy.

1723
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 13: But really with the with the pandemic and particularly I

1724
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:06,839
Speaker 13: think the death of George Floyd, it really really sparked

1725
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 13: a whole new pandemic and in the way that we've

1726
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 13: come to view our modern societies. And unfortunately it's a

1727
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 13: very simplistic narrative, isn't.

1728
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: It a lot of the John Mills at the bottom

1729
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: of the at the bottom of this pyramid, isn't it racism?

1730
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Isn't it. Sexism is an anti semitism to judge a

1731
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: person based upon their membership and a particular race, gender,

1732
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 1: or social construct. That that is the heart and soul

1733
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: of discrimination is what liberals are doing.

1734
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 13: Well, Yes, it seems it seems to be very much

1735
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 13: the case that we're being judged. People are being judged.

1736
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 13: Wherever you fall into some identity group based upon your identity,

1737
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 13: it collapses everyone down into a very reductive, ontological, you know,

1738
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 13: way of being. So, you know, like the whole thing

1739
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 13: is very foreign to me, like as a psychologist, as

1740
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 13: an analyst who seize people, or at least before I retired,

1741
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 13: as individuals come in for help. Now everybody's just thrown

1742
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 13: into a group, a category based upon the color of

1743
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 13: their skin or what however they self identify, and it's

1744
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 13: very divisive in society. It actually doesn't capture the reality

1745
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 13: or social reality of how people are. So I mean,

1746
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 13: like you know, people, you know, people aren't you know, classified,

1747
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 13: or they don't go around thinking in terms of the race.

1748
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 13: I mean only in terms of this way. You know,

1749
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 13: identity is very you know, diffuse and very overdetermined. So

1750
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 13: when we're encouraged to thinking in simple, dicotomous ways that

1751
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 13: you have one group that is this way and the

1752
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 13: other groups that way. It automatically, artificially creates a division

1753
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 13: that isn't necessarily there in real life, and.

1754
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 1: What we see in major US cities, especially in New

1755
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: York and now with the war in Iran ongoing, I

1756
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 1: think successfully. But at this point, I pray to God

1757
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Trump knows what he's doing to work this darned thing out.

1758
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 1: But let's face this, that your membership in a group

1759
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 1: determines the outcome of the success or failure in your life.

1760
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: And I think you're exactly right. Whether it was March

1761
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty when the nation largely shut down because

1762
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: of COVID or in the summer of twenty twenty kind

1763
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: of gathered momentum with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, et cetera.

1764
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 1: And there were and we had Obama in the White House,

1765
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: and he wanted to be an example. He should have

1766
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,759
Speaker 1: been an example that America's turned the page on racial

1767
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: identity politics. Many of my friends I know voted for him.

1768
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 1: I did not vote for him either time. Many of

1769
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: my friends did. They wanted to prove they were not racist,

1770
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: and so we got over fifty percent of the vote,

1771
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 1: and that was irrelevant. And so beginning with Obama, like

1772
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: in twenty eight, twenty nine, what was critical race theory?

1773
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: Identity politics, dei, et cetera. Can you explain to the

1774
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 1: American people, doctor John Mills, what is critical race theory

1775
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: and why does that hurt individuals so much?

1776
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 13: Well, in a nutshell, it's an unfortunate, you know, theory,

1777
01:40:52,840 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 13: because it wants to basically claim that anyone who comes

1778
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 13: from a Western background, whether that be unfortunately the term

1779
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 13: is white or white whiteness theory, whiteness studies, anyone who

1780
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 13: has a Western or a European, An, English, or an

1781
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 13: American heritage is automatically cast as a racist, is cast

1782
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 13: as a white supremacist, is cast as an oppressor that

1783
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 13: oppresses anyone who is what we would call a minoritized group. Now,

1784
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:43,040
Speaker 13: of course, the North America is a lot different than

1785
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 13: other parts of the world or the global South. So

1786
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 13: let's let's stay on that. The notion that the entire

1787
01:41:54,320 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 13: history of civilization has been has been largely based in

1788
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 13: Greco Roman, European and English enlightenment. Uh that science, that reason,

1789
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 13: that medicine, all these things that we just take for

1790
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 13: granted now is now being seen as the very thing

1791
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 13: that's causing suffering to minoritized groups. Seems to be, you know,

1792
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 13: the big propaganda ruse of the century. So I don't

1793
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 13: understand it myself. Fully, I'll admit that these are things

1794
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 13: that benefit all of us, you know, the history of ideas, right,

1795
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 13: I mean, but you know, it's it's convenient now to

1796
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 13: you know, just point a finger of blame that you know,

1797
01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 13: my majority group is to be you know, slided for

1798
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 13: causing the collective suffering of all other people.

1799
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: And doctor John Mills, author of the book Woke, there

1800
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,759
Speaker 1: aren't millions of Europeans trying to move into Muslim countries.

1801
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,560
Speaker 1: It's the opposite. I almost consider this to be in

1802
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: Europe cultural suicide or suicidal empathy. I can't imagine countries

1803
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 1: surviving long term when the birth rate among the indigenous

1804
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: peoples of Europe is about one point two per woman

1805
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: and the birth rate of Muslim populations are four point six.

1806
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,599
Speaker 1: I moved out ahead about thirty years, and it's obvious

1807
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:38,600
Speaker 1: that the Muslims, coming with the viewpoint of anti Western philosophy,

1808
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 1: is going to dominate England, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, et cetera.

1809
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 1: You also have a column. Some one of your topics

1810
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 1: is identified as as transgenderism, and that is we now

1811
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: are told to believe that I may be a male,

1812
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: but I will be treated as a female if I

1813
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 1: voice the words I'm a female. Well, even though I'm

1814
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,720
Speaker 1: an x Y and I have male geniteia and I

1815
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 1: am a male. But I can switch gender simply by

1816
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: saying something different than what I am. That used to

1817
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:14,560
Speaker 1: be called a delusion or paranoid schizophrenia with effective components.

1818
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: But now if you say, doctor John Mills, I'm no

1819
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 1: longer a man. I want to be doctor Joan Mills.

1820
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 1: I have to turn my reason off and accept you

1821
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 1: differently than what you are. How craze is the notion

1822
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 1: in your viewpoint of transgenderism that's loosened that gradeschools to

1823
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 1: high schools to colleges. A person can switch genders back

1824
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 1: and forth, and God helps someone who says I'm not

1825
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 1: playing into your game? When did that happen? And how

1826
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: bad is that one?

1827
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 13: Once again, I'm chuckling over here, But this is a

1828
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 13: complicated issue. On one hand, there's been a decoupling of

1829
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 13: sex meeting biological sex from gender construction, and so we

1830
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 13: like we went from the notion that you have a

1831
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 13: you know, you have a biological binary sex male female too,

1832
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 13: now that you know, sex is a social construction and follows,

1833
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 13: so it falls on a spectrum. And this is just

1834
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 13: one of the you know, the things that you know.

1835
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 13: Of course, people you know, people can't buy they get

1836
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 13: been out of shape about. But the question of gender

1837
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 13: is another issue. I mean, we we can identify with

1838
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 13: both female and male aspects of our personalities. I mean

1839
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 13: we we internalized both of our parents growing up. I mean,

1840
01:45:54,840 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 13: uh so, so it's a really complicated matter. But unfortun

1841
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 13: when it gets mired down in the notion that we're

1842
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 13: focused on the biological question, I think this is where

1843
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 13: most you know, most people get you know, bad shape.

1844
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 1: So speak and doctor John Mills, you have topics involving

1845
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:20,840
Speaker 1: other issues, such as cancel culture that somehow, I think

1846
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time, this week

1847
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: the White House put up a statue of Christopher Columbus

1848
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: and which was considered to be a racist act by

1849
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and that we have to cancel the Western

1850
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 1: democratic culture which has benefited the world so greatly. What

1851
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,639
Speaker 1: are your views on the cancel culture movement that Western

1852
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 1: civilization is not worth saving and that the destruction there

1853
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 1: is there is that thereof is required by many liberals.

1854
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 1: What's your view of cancel culture?

1855
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 13: Well, you know, having kind of gone through it myself,

1856
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 13: or people don't like what you have to say, what

1857
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 13: your questions or your criticisms are. I mean, we really

1858
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 13: have to we have to draw a line in the

1859
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:17,719
Speaker 13: sand where we say it's okay that we disagree with things,

1860
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 13: but we have to debate them.

1861
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 4: We have to have.

1862
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 13: Dialogue about these things, these ideas, these positions, because if

1863
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 13: we can't do that, we're going to lose our democracy.

1864
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 13: So the notion of a cancel culture is that it's

1865
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:38,759
Speaker 13: a prohibition that you can't say something.

1866
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 4: Now, we have to.

1867
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 13: Develop a certain degree of tolerance for indifference, in tolerance

1868
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 13: for different points of view. We shouldn't we should not,

1869
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 13: under any circumstance, in my opinion, say you cannot do

1870
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 13: this or say this or whatever you should say it.

1871
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 13: You should and you should be subjected to scrutiny and

1872
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 13: the consequences of what you're you're advocating for or or

1873
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 13: you know disadvocating for and we have to we have

1874
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 13: to realize that we just can't have one way of thinking,

1875
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 13: or doing or being.

1876
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a deeper question. That is, when

1877
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: I observe uh the sex status of medical students or

1878
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 1: a law students or college students in general, about two

1879
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,839
Speaker 1: thirds of the current crop of medical students or female,

1880
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:41,719
Speaker 1: about two thirds of law students are female. Women dominate

1881
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 1: many positions in the country. There the odds of eighty

1882
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: percent of the prisons are occupied by males. About two

1883
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 1: thirds of the suicides or females.

1884
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 6: UH.

1885
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,679
Speaker 1: The great majority of crime is committed by by males,

1886
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: The great majority of drug use and are by males.

1887
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 1: I almost I've said it with tongue in cheek that

1888
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: maybe males, especially white males, need some sort of affirmative

1889
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 1: action because we've gone down one path of feminism to

1890
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 1: such an extent presently, that males, especially white males, more

1891
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 1: and more do not represent their status in the population.

1892
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Their number, and that they have two thirds of college

1893
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 1: students that are female and two thirds of the professions

1894
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: are female indicates to me that the cancer culture and

1895
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 1: the viewpoint of men have taken a beating. The last

1896
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:33,599
Speaker 1: five to ten or twenty years. You know, the toxic

1897
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: masculinity argument of the radical feminists that somehow a hairy

1898
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: s man needs to be knocked down a peg or

1899
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: two and his jobs need to be given to female's.

1900
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: What is your view of toxic masculinity and the impact

1901
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 1: on men.

1902
01:49:50,880 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 13: Well, these are loaded, you know, political terms, Like I'm

1903
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 13: not sure that I would at all agree that just

1904
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 13: because you're you're a man, that that you're toxic.

1905
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 7: I don't think I am, yeah, I mean just.

1906
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,719
Speaker 13: Like I wouldn't agree that just because you're a woman

1907
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 13: that somehow, you know, like you have some uh you know,

1908
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 13: privilege over over men. So so these are really complex issues.

1909
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 13: Why why isn't the certain you know, females have gravitated

1910
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 13: toward certain professions or even in some cases don't dominate them.

1911
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 13: I I don't know if it's that, If if we

1912
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 13: can simply you know, the simplistically into that, I mean,

1913
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 13: like in my field there, like you said, there there's

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Speaker 13: a predominant a number of women who have far surpas

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Speaker 13: has been in helping profession meaning mental health. Right now,

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Speaker 13: the people who are being so called being left out.

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Speaker 13: Is is it simply because of their gender, or is

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Speaker 13: it because they haven't prepared themselves for a certain occupation,

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Speaker 13: you know.

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Speaker 1: Doctor John Mills, it could be a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: One of the reviewers has said about your book, anyone

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Speaker 1: concerned about the cultural vandalism of critical social justice should

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Speaker 1: read the book We Got to Go. But your book

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Speaker 1: as Woke, a critique of social justice ideology. And doctor

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Speaker 1: John Mills, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And I want to know about where it came from,

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Speaker 1: the impact and where it's going. This is the book

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Speaker 1: to get and doctor John Mills, thank you very much.

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Speaker 13: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Bill God bless America. Let's continue with more and if

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Speaker 1: line becomes available eight six six six four seven seven

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Speaker 1: three three seven do men need affirmative action? Bill Cunningham

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Speaker 1: with you every Sunday night, Billy Cunningham, the great American,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening tonight. And I recall a telephone call

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Speaker 1: ahead from Alabama about two and a half hours ago

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Speaker 1: about Trump supporters are separating themselves from these policies. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure individual Americans have different opinions on the subject

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Speaker 1: that I don't agree with, but I'm respectful in hearing

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Speaker 1: that opinion, something like eighty five to ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: the megaworld at this point supports Donald Trump. The next

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Speaker 1: twenty four hour is going to be difficult. According to

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Speaker 1: media accounts, the President's given to Iran forty eight hours,

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Speaker 1: which is up tomorrow evening. He also says that ICE

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Speaker 1: agents are going to go into the TSA role. All

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Speaker 1: hell's about to break loose everywhere. These are difficult issues,

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Speaker 1: and I think together we must stand as one and

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party is not helpful. In fact, they're playing

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Speaker 1: in the hands of the nation's enemies, especially Iran, who

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Speaker 1: wants to cause chaosking division at home by not passing

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Speaker 1: the funding for TSA and more. And it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: But I hope by the time we get back together

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Speaker 1: next Sunday night, these things are going to be more

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Speaker 1: clear as to which direction is going to take. The

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Speaker 1: only substitute in war for defeat is victory after victory

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Speaker 1: after victory. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night.