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Speaker 1: Mark is off today. I'm Tom Opperman Tommy Radio sitting

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Speaker 1: in for him, and it really did feel good to

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Speaker 1: beat those scumbags yesterday. And what more can you say

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Speaker 1: than just sid He is such a juggernaut against everybody

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Speaker 1: he plays, but especially so when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Flyers. Brian Russ said after the game, he embraces

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Speaker 1: being the villain against them. Of course he does. He

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Speaker 1: got his teeth knocked out by them when he was

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Speaker 1: a rookie, for God's sakes, but he has owned them

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Speaker 1: ever since. So it was just an absolute clinic from

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Speaker 1: the captain last night, leading the way, big two points

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Speaker 1: for the Penguins against the Flyers team that they're stuck

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Speaker 1: right in there with top two in the wild card

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Speaker 1: hunt right now for the Eastern Conference. I also enjoyed

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Speaker 1: seeing the special teams clinic that the Penguins put on yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Three or four on the power play, six of seven

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Speaker 1: penalties successfully killed by the Pittsburgh Penguins. It was an

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Speaker 1: absolute masterclass. And despite Mark being off today, no one

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Speaker 1: can rub it in the Flyers' faces better than Mark Cans.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna join us right now, right at the

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Speaker 1: top of the show Mark. What an absolute performance last

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Speaker 1: night by the Penns and Philly led by Sid of

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Speaker 1: course he's such a dominating performer against Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I heard Mike Tomlin talk today is

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Speaker 2: news conference, all I heard was despair. All I heard

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Speaker 2: was the confusion. When I saw the Penguins go to

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia and get the spot out of the Flyers last night,

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Speaker 2: all I saw was hope. All I saw was the future.

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Speaker 2: All I saw was a plan moving forward and being

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Speaker 2: put in the play right now, maybe more than we thought,

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Speaker 2: because why god, the Penguins have fewer losses in the

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Speaker 2: regulation than all but four of the teams in the

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Speaker 2: National Hockey Lage. If they were remotely clue in how

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Speaker 2: to play it over time and in shootouts, they might

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Speaker 2: be near the very topic league. As it is, they're

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Speaker 2: won the primes of that playoff race, because that's how

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Speaker 2: the loser point makes the standings. That's how the you

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Speaker 2: then conference is. But what a great display last night.

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Speaker 2: The Flyers were never in the game. Stick the fire

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Speaker 2: killer two goals Kevin ps hayes. The ps fans are

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Speaker 2: Trevor Decres looked like a clown, every pise he gave

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Speaker 2: himself to look like the clown. There was nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: with anything that happened last night Philadelphia. Heck, I might

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Speaker 2: even believe that Tristan Jarry before it's all over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And as I was saying, right before you jumped

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Speaker 1: on Mark, it was such a special teams clinic. Right

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Speaker 1: the three for four on the power play, they're back

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Speaker 1: to number one power play in the NHL, passing Dallas

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Speaker 1: after last night. But even more impressive maybe is killing

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Speaker 1: off six of seven Flyers penalties. They're pks up to

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Speaker 1: fourth in the league. You gotta be better on five

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Speaker 1: special teams. But the Penguin special teams are elite so far.

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Speaker 2: Well, there aren't even Knights, which you can rely on

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Speaker 2: special teams like last night, when the opportunity presented, I

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Speaker 2: thought the Flyers got every call. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: the worst officiated game. I mean, I don't believe in

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Speaker 2: in the fixed speed in or a prejudice toward one team,

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Speaker 2: but true looked like a home team officiating crew last

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Speaker 2: through it the PK, especially when they were down five

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Speaker 2: on three in perpetuity. Yeah, and only allowed the one goal.

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Speaker 2: That was a rare situation where allowing one goal in

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Speaker 2: that sequence still allowed them to come out of it

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Speaker 1: And Jari was great stood tall in his net, getting

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Speaker 1: a little feisty too, right, throwing the blocker at some

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Speaker 1: flyers that were coming into his area. Twenty eight to

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Speaker 1: that five on three sequence that you just mentioned. I

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Speaker 1: think you go back to him against Tampa Bay, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you buck the rotation completely moving forward

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Speaker 1: and he's your number one starting goalie and you treat

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what Muses feels about the location,

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Speaker 2: I might be tempted to go back to Shiloff's in

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a difference there regarding who plays who.

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Speaker 2: If you really see feel Jarry's building momentum himself and

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Speaker 1: Now, how'd you think the kid line looked last night?

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Speaker 1: I thought they did pretty good despite not showing up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were buzzing. They played like a lot of

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Speaker 2: McGarty in particular, upon his return to the National Hockey League,

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Speaker 2: played just a very solid, adrenaline fuel game. I feel

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Speaker 2: But I think Ben Kindle, I mean, my god, at eighteen,

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Speaker 2: well that that's a lot to put on an eighteen

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Speaker 1: And the last night the best kid that he was,

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Speaker 1: He's so comfortable in that role, and he's honestly becoming

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Speaker 2: Well, you can tell with mom and dad we're both

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Speaker 2: pro athletes because nothing phases that. There's no golfy ting

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Speaker 2: goes out there and performed his job every night. He

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Speaker 2: Is probably a very good second line seven of the hit.

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Speaker 1: He goes to win as well, and he's elite on

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Speaker 1: the power play. It seems that that's the case already.

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Speaker 1: Is there still some worry in the back of your

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Speaker 1: that power play one. Kendall's yes, that can't happen, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll you know when the wright said it would

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Speaker 2: if he does that. I mean, there'll be no excuse

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Speaker 2: for it, because you're not only taking out a component

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Speaker 2: of the power play that's number one of the leagues.

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Speaker 2: He is the top quote unquote power play component. He

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Speaker 2: he's the guy who knows how to play it the best.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy that he circulates through to some large degree.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Mark Matten here on the Mark Madden Show,

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Speaker 1: Tom Off for incident his host today. You mentioned Zegrest

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Speaker 1: a little bit ago. How about him just becoming such

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Speaker 1: a total pos all of a sudden. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was so funny when he tried to punk Clifton with

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Speaker 1: the head flinch Mark and Clifton just stood his ground,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a light guy, but Carter Clifton

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Speaker 3: I mean, my god, I see.

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Speaker 2: I just don't like when a guy changes teams and

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Speaker 2: becomes ten times prav with the new team because he

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Speaker 2: thinks the new team is tougher, which I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: the players necessarily are. With the uniform provides that reputation.

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Speaker 2: I just hate when guys do that. I mean, Victoria

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Speaker 2: by an artist. He's played his whole career. There segris

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Speaker 2: adopting this posture. The only the only thing to be

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Speaker 2: didn't the half of last night, I would like to

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Speaker 2: proceed for somebody to want to tighten him up.

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Speaker 1: Well in that vein, Mark, I know it didn't happen

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Speaker 1: last night, but I like Boco as that last guy

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Speaker 3: I think that it.

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Speaker 1: Borky said it on the show yesterday. It allows the

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Speaker 1: little bit more. I wouldn't hate seeing him be that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: I quite agree with portkill enemy. It's so like Boco's

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Speaker 2: battleship Cavy or anybody like that. You know, he's He's

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Speaker 2: a relatively tough guy in a relatively non tough era.

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Speaker 2: But I do agree that it doesn't matter who the

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Speaker 2: what he does and that's to be a positive component

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Speaker 2: in certain games, that I'm all for it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: got no problem. He's not the worst player they got.

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Speaker 1: Now, Mark, if Sid keeps this pace up, which barring

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Speaker 1: an injury, I have no doubt that he will and

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Speaker 1: the Pens do make the playoffs, which I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: buy more and more that they will. Don't you think

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Speaker 1: he should seriously be considered in the MVP conversation. He won't,

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Speaker 1: that it's, you know, the story behind it, thirty eight

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Speaker 1: year old Sidney Crosby getting the Penguins back to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: If they make the playoffs and he gets fifty goals,

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Speaker 2: he's got a legitimate shot m v P. He probably

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Speaker 2: Mario like that back when too he didn't win it

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Speaker 2: winning it more often is people thought, oh, he's won,

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Speaker 2: and enough, let's give it to somebody different. And I

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Speaker 2: with so many years between the awards and his fight

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Speaker 1: Now, Mark, I take it you did listen to coach

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I was driving and it was yeah,

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Speaker 2: but but I don't listen. I mean platitude. Platitude duh.

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Speaker 2: He says nothing of any interest, but like the tournament's

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Speaker 2: voice leads to me to believe it has done, including

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Speaker 2: after the game on Sunday, that he does not know

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing that I was able to take away

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Speaker 1: Derek Harmon out again and the fact that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: in their previous two meetings with the Steelers, led by

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, have rushed for five hundred and nineteen compine yards.

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Speaker 2: They can break that record two weeks in a row,

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Speaker 2: Baltimore's gonna be favorite this game. The only thing that

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Speaker 2: you know what, the AFC is wide open. They could

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Speaker 1: For no problem. I'll take over the show from here.

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Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: Are you saying like you expected more out of him?

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Speaker 4: I honestly, like my my theory is that, you know,

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Speaker 4: Anybody, including him the most, expected to have to play

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Speaker 4: I'm surprisedly that, like, you know, nothing's really come out

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Speaker 1: sounds lovely, to be honest with you, I'm extremely jealous

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Speaker 1: joining me now though, to talk Steelers football. You read

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. He is Chris Adamski. Chris, you were

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Speaker 1: He ruled out Derek Harmon for Sunday against Baltimore, And

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Speaker 1: I think that's just fantastic news coming off of Buffalos

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there was ever a Kate Better

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Speaker 2: No, it is not.

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Speaker 3: don't disagree with your premise per se that maybe Rodgers

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be playing, but I also don't like the other options.

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Speaker 3: So if they're in all other all things equal, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna stick with stick with their starter.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing that I really think is being

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Speaker 1: hindered by this is the running game. Obviously, you can't

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Speaker 1: do as much. If you're not going to be able

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Speaker 1: to get under center with that Steelers running game in

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Speaker 1: that Arthur Smith offense, your play action is not going

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Speaker 1: to work as well coming off of it. It just

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Speaker 1: it just felt really predictable, like the pistol formation just

446
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Speaker 1: wasn't really working enough, and anytime they would you know,

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Speaker 1: motion Spencer Anderson in is the sidecar in that pistol formation,

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Speaker 1: and they ran it to that side every single time.

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Speaker 1: Like it just felt to me like you're taking too

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Speaker 1: much away from your playbook if your quarterback can't get

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Speaker 1: under center.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a reason obviously, what why offenses

453
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Speaker 3: are designed the way they are, the way the Steelers

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Speaker 3: offense was designed, And you're obviously limiting yourself in an

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Speaker 3: a whole host of ways, right, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: much in terms of I mean under center, just in

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Speaker 3: terms of those reasons that I the running game isn't

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Speaker 3: the same, right, it just isn't. There's a reason why,

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Speaker 3: I get play action is the most obvious one. It's

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Speaker 3: really really hard to do, if not impossible, when you're

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Speaker 3: in the pisto, or at least it's certainly the time.

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Speaker 3: Everything's just not it should be right. And your running

463
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Speaker 3: game wasn't there a quarterback, I don't know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: You saw him take a hit, I don't obviously, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I don't think that would have been the

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Speaker 3: way that hit came on him. I don't think it

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Speaker 3: wouldn't matter if he had a fully functional left wrist

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Speaker 3: to brace himself or whatever that might be. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's certainly less than ideal for a lot of reasons

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Speaker 3: in the running game. In affecting the running game is

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Speaker 3: certainly a big part of that.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of hard to analyze the offense

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Speaker 1: after that performance, isn't it. They only have the ball

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Speaker 1: for eighteen minutes?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 1: I might have lost it, Tom, That's how hard the

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Speaker 1: offensive analysis is. You just dropped off real quick. You

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Speaker 1: didn't even want to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't even do. I really want to

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Speaker 3: speak about this Steelers offense after what one hundred and

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Speaker 3: what is one hundred and sixty one yard or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It was exactly one hundred and sixty six eighteen minutes

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Speaker 1: of possession. I mean like, there's nothing you can look

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Speaker 1: at and be like, well we can build off of

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Speaker 1: this for Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if that game as a whole overall, I can't

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Speaker 3: find a silver lining or something. And I don't even

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Speaker 3: know where to start with the offense right now. And

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Speaker 3: that's kind of been the That's been the company line

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Speaker 3: all season long. Whenever there's been a question, especially about usage,

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Speaker 3: right Fat fired me, Well, we don't have enough play

492
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Speaker 3: Jan Morre, we don't have plays. Whoever it is you

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Speaker 3: bring up d out, we don't have enough plays. Well,

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Speaker 3: part of not have enough plays if the offense hasn't

495
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Speaker 3: been good, So therefore you're punting quickly or turning it over,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is. That's why you don't have one. Now,

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Speaker 3: the defense is obviously culpable in that too, for a

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Speaker 3: lot of reasons. That's that's another reason. But any reason

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Speaker 3: you don't have the balls, you're going three it out

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Speaker 3: to a degree of almost anybody higher than anybody in

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Speaker 3: the league. So that's not a reason that that's more

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Speaker 3: of a symptom. I think there it is the reason

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Speaker 3: why you don't have enough plays or a reason you know,

504
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Speaker 3: why we're not having enough plays is why you're having

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Speaker 3: trouble with you offensively. And I don't know, man, It's like,

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Speaker 3: I'll give DK Metcalf the benefit of the doubt because

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Speaker 3: I do believe he really has no compliment and no

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Speaker 3: secondary receiver. I mean, you know, maybe if he hadn't

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Speaker 3: had him more. You know, he's getting double team and

510
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Speaker 3: so much attention. I get it. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: this this is getting It's not like a one or

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Speaker 3: two game blip. Now, it's just pretty much he's there's

513
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Speaker 3: no big play since what's September now, right, we're in December, right,

514
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Speaker 3: The last time there was a big splash play by

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Speaker 3: DK Metca. He's a couple of touchdowns in there, I

516
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Speaker 3: get it, and one of those screen pass and things.

517
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Speaker 3: But he's supposed to be your your main guy guy.

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Speaker 3: He went out and got and targeted and has a

519
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Speaker 3: track record and getting paid a lot of money, and

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Speaker 3: that's not there. And I mean Jonnay Smith got a

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Speaker 3: raise of a hidden done anything even you know, not

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Speaker 3: even September since the whole seedon started pretty much, And

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know people say it fired me is underutilized,

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Speaker 3: and that could be part of the solution. It probably

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Speaker 3: should be part of the solution at least in turns

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Speaker 3: of ball control and possession type downs. But I don't

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Speaker 3: know how dynamic you necessarily going to get there. But

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I don't know. I'm on the running game more.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it is something you look at, because that's probably

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Speaker 3: been the Steelers' most consistent offense so far, has been

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Speaker 3: you know, I take most consistent. I still mean kind

532
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Speaker 3: of like mediocre.

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Speaker 1: Chris Damsky here the Trip and Steelers Nation Radio. Tom

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Speaker 1: Upferman in for Mark Man today on The Mark Madden Show. Chris,

535
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Speaker 1: is it time for us to start worrying that TJ.

536
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Speaker 1: Watt isn't just fading, but he might have completely faded

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Speaker 1: from what he once was. He only has seven sacks

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Speaker 1: this year. And Matt Williamson, our companion on Steelers Nation Radio,

539
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Speaker 1: our cohort, pointed some stats out where his get off

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Speaker 1: time is getting slower and slower and slower year after

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Speaker 1: year after year after year. So there is now evidence

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Speaker 1: pointing to him fading away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's certainly the production. Right, this isn't a blip anymore.

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Speaker 3: The line last season and I'll give him again a

545
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Speaker 3: good bend for the doubt was was one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: dealing with injury at this final during that Steelers losing

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Speaker 3: treat this five games, they lost their the novice sacker.

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Speaker 3: I forget what it was now, but whatever it was,

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Speaker 3: the production wasn't up high. Remember he was still the

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Speaker 3: defensive Player of the Year favorite at early December last

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Speaker 3: year somehow, And and now the stretching have no sacks

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Speaker 3: of four team. It's kind of hard to kind of

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Speaker 3: hard to make your case at that point. And now

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Speaker 3: you have almost all. So you're what you're doing with

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Speaker 3: what is seventeen games sample size now? Right, you're doing

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Speaker 3: the actual season's worth of sample size and what would

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Speaker 3: that be barely a half a sack of game over

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Speaker 3: that time. And and yeah, you've had the strip sack,

559
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Speaker 3: had a couple of tip passes, interception. I'd get there.

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Speaker 3: There's still some been some splash plays there, and you know,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's getting big enough of like I said,

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Speaker 3: a sample size, a big enough a period of time

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Speaker 3: here that you can't just pass it off as oh,

564
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Speaker 3: it's a slump, or they're doing this, or people are justing,

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Speaker 3: or it'll be time he'll break out. And I was

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Speaker 3: willing to say that maybe in September the first four

567
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Speaker 3: or five games, but now you're getting the point where

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Speaker 3: it's almost a full season. And when it when it's

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Speaker 3: a full season, it's happened at age thirty one, it's

570
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Speaker 3: different than it's a full season it happened in age

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Speaker 3: you know, twenty four or whatever. After a couple of

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Speaker 3: really dominant seasons, you say, oh, well whatever, maybe it's

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Speaker 3: just still an aberration of some sort. But it's the

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Speaker 3: burden of proof falls back on him, right. I mean

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Speaker 3: I won't. I'm not ready to give up on a

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Speaker 3: better and at whatever, but I think this might be

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Speaker 3: a lot more likely. This is the TJ well we'll

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Speaker 3: have going forward than the one we have from twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one and twenty twenty two, that era.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin said today Chris at his press conference that

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Speaker 1: there will be no significant changes when it comes to

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Speaker 1: his coaching staff, not you know, in terms of firing

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Speaker 1: a position, but you know what they do during the

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Speaker 1: game or throughout the week. But like, what changes could

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Speaker 1: they even make, you know, I mean there's no one

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Speaker 1: there that could U serve play calling duties from Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's not an offensive guy, and he already has

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Speaker 1: his handprints all over the defensive play calling Mike Tomlin does,

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Speaker 1: so like there's there's no you know, hey, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do the thing that coaches love to do. They make

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Speaker 1: that grand gesture of I'm taking over play calling from

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Speaker 1: this guy and it's gonna get fixed now. There's just

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Speaker 1: nowhere to go there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't you know, you're down again? What

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Speaker 3: are you down to? Five games here in the season.

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Speaker 3: You get to December at this point, I guess they

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Speaker 3: made the Macanna move. It was late November, so it's

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Speaker 3: not too far off from that. I get to, you know,

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Speaker 3: desperate times or whatever. You're right, what are they gonna?

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Speaker 3: I mean Arthurs Smiths a former head coach himself, he

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Speaker 3: called plays when he was the head coach and and

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Speaker 3: it's not going to be Tom Win. They're not gonna

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Speaker 3: I mean it would they wouldn't really certainly, you know,

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Speaker 3: just keyboard of the smith and new to him, but

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Speaker 3: not let them call the play then if they had

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Speaker 3: a viable option on staff when remember Eddie Fulton was

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Speaker 3: the coordinator and they still he still didn't call plays.

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Speaker 3: Uh two years ago at this time the late down

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Speaker 3: the stretch he was the coordinator entitle, but Mike Sullivan

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Speaker 3: was calling the play still, So it's uh, there really

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Speaker 3: nowhere to go. Yeah, defensively the same thing as you know,

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Speaker 3: everybody knows. I mean, however, you wanted to place it

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Speaker 3: up at Mike Tolman and Terrell Austin situation. Yeah there,

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Speaker 3: what are you going to do? I mean a position

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Speaker 3: coach is there going to be? I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: mean you can the whole as he said, division of

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Speaker 3: labor and how you divide that up and everything, and

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe there's more stay in the personnel that goes

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Speaker 3: in a certain because a lot of times the position.

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Speaker 3: Coaches handle that, but you know that's just kind of

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Speaker 3: you know, rearranging the chairs or whatever. Mean, what's what's

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Speaker 3: the difference if this guy played a couple more snaps

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Speaker 3: in that guy or whatever. I don't think it's going

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Speaker 3: to make a major difference at this point. They probably

625
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Speaker 3: are what they are.

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Speaker 1: Tom Well, they go to Baltimore with what they are,

627
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Speaker 1: and I think the best thing going for them, Chris

628
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Speaker 1: is how badly the Ravens are playing, Because that's not

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Speaker 1: great either. It seems like Lamar might be playing hurt,

630
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be willing to run as much. In

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Speaker 1: a shocking twist of events, it seems like the AFC

632
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Speaker 1: North is going to be a battle of which team

633
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Speaker 1: is gonna be the you know, less competent, where it's

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Speaker 1: usually the team that is, you know, the better of

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Speaker 1: the two. It's like who's gonna lose the division less?

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna blow it the least is what these two

637
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Speaker 1: teams are playing for. It feels like it is wild.

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Speaker 3: There was only two years ago to AFT North was

639
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: the first division in NFL history to have every team

640
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Speaker 3: finished over five hundred, and now we're gonna have two

641
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Speaker 3: years later, where I think it's very very much in

642
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: play that there might not be any team with them

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Speaker 3: winning record, right you other than the fact that Steelers

644
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Speaker 3: and Ravens play each other twice, of course, so that's

645
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Speaker 3: two wins that got to happen. Obviously, one of these

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Speaker 3: two team's gonna get three more wins in their final

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Speaker 3: five games, right, I mean, if they split it that

648
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Speaker 3: she makes it even to me less like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you could look at the schedule and maybe Cherry picked

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Speaker 3: some games, but yeah, I mean that's the most positive

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Speaker 3: thing Tommy and I have talked if it try to

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Speaker 3: look find the stop lining in that Sunday game wasn't

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Speaker 3: the Sunday game at all, but it was the fact

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Speaker 3: that the Ravens. But it's so crazy, you know, the

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Speaker 3: first month of the season, people were saying the Ravens

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Speaker 3: are gonna turn on because of the Ravens, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: this defense is just historically it just looks terrible. He

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Speaker 3: can't stop anybody. And then they fixed the defense. Now

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Speaker 3: it's like the Ravens are well, the Ravens turning up,

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Speaker 3: but their offense has been really bad. I mean we're

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Speaker 3: talking even late in the winning streak there, the offense

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Speaker 3: wasn't doing that much and Lamar wasn't looking like Lamar,

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Speaker 3: So is that just gonna magically change took itself, maybe

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Speaker 3: even did because the defense did with the Ravens for

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Speaker 3: whatever reason. So I don't know if that's something. But

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Speaker 3: aside from that, the Ravens aren't a fear of anybody

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Speaker 3: right now and is kind of everybody is down in

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Speaker 3: the city as they are, and the Steelers and I

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Speaker 3: get it, certainly, I wouldn't be shocked whatsoever if they

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Speaker 3: went into Baltimore than one on Sunday. And if that happens,

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Speaker 3: then you're in first place approaching Christmas Day pretty much

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Speaker 3: here and in a week or so after that. So

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Speaker 3: NFL's goofy and I But yeah, the AFC North right

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Speaker 3: now is certainly not any running to be the best

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Speaker 3: division in football.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the biggest key is going to be

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Speaker 1: to stop Derek Henry, especially if Lamar's not at full strength.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like he's having a bit of a

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Speaker 1: quiet year by his standards, Chris, but then you look

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Speaker 1: and he's still the seventh leading rusher in the league.

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Speaker 1: He's averaging four point seven yards per carry, He's got

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Speaker 1: nine hundred and thirty one yards on the season, and

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Speaker 1: he's just been he's just feasted on Pittsburgh in the

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Speaker 1: previous two matchups here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's something that late last season whatever, the

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Speaker 3: Steelers against him when he was a Titan a little

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Speaker 3: bit different, but yeah, that still have memories of that,

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Speaker 3: and Mike to All was talking about that. They're asked

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Speaker 3: about that a lot today about Derrek Henry in terms

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Speaker 3: of in terms of at least not Derreck Henry so

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Speaker 3: much so though obviously he's the primary protagonist in this,

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Speaker 3: but the rushing defense against the Ravens. And there's two

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Speaker 3: games in Baltimore late last season, right the week before

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Speaker 3: Christmas and then the playoff a couple weeks after that.

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Speaker 3: It was it was not pretty. And that was about

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Speaker 3: as bad as I've seen the Steelers team on both

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Speaker 3: sides of the ball get pushed around and get kind

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Speaker 3: of dominated in the trenches like they were, but and

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Speaker 3: have it done by their biggest rod want one of

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Speaker 3: them in a playoff game was and it was I mean,

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Speaker 3: again he talked about today. They that meant left an

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Speaker 3: impression on the Steelers. The organization. They actually they altered,

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Speaker 3: but it shaped their shaped their offseason planned. It's what

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Speaker 3: they want to do, is well. They signed Lake Harrison

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Speaker 3: from the Ravens No Less to be a big, you know,

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Speaker 3: stout inside linebacker to go with their two you know

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Speaker 3: sideline the sideline inside line back. This is one example

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Speaker 3: to make sure they drafted Derek Harmon is another example, uh,

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Speaker 3: defensive lineman with it. So they did all these things

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Speaker 3: and certainly the evidence against Buffalo said it hasn't helped

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Speaker 3: yet and they'll be measured by it again here And yeah,

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Speaker 3: Derek Henry, he's a Hall of Famer and how old

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Speaker 3: to see it because he's probably about t J. Watts

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Speaker 3: age without looking it up exactly. And I just mentioned

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Speaker 3: earlier if you're you're in your thirties and you have

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Speaker 3: a down seat and then you approved that you're not

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Speaker 3: Nague was a couple of years ago when Derek Henri

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Speaker 3: didn't have a very productive season at least at Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: and then he goes on the baltim Worn proves once

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Speaker 3: again he's the Hall of Fame running back.

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Speaker 1: Chris, thanks for the time. Look forward to talking to

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow on the Blitz. Buddy.

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Speaker 3: I'll get some I'm sure, before we know it, we'll

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Speaker 3: be breaking bread again. Tom so looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: He's Kris Danski from The Trip and Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure talking to him when I'm filling in

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Speaker 1: for Mark Mann and on our show together the Blitz Monday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday Friday noon to two on Steelers Nation Radio. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll hit the trifecta. It's Tom Off

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Speaker 1: from an Infro Mark one of five nine the X

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Speaker 1: tom Off form an infrom Mark Today. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: the trifecta in just a second. I got a trifecta

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Speaker 1: of just brutal, brutal Steelers stats. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to that, let's talk to Fred who's on the road

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Speaker 1: and wants to talk about coaches trade value. What's up, Fred, Hey.

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Speaker 5: Tom, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, good question for

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Speaker 5: you regarding NFL coach like Tom On did they end

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Speaker 5: trade value in regards to like picks? Do you think

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Speaker 5: Tomlan has a no trade clause or at least maybe

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Speaker 5: some saying where he might go if the Rudies did

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Speaker 5: go that round.

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Speaker 1: Coaches no doubt have trade value. Fred, the John Gruden

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Speaker 1: once upon a time was traded for I believe a

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Speaker 1: first round pick Raiders to Buccaneers. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomalin was such a first rounder, maybe like a

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Speaker 1: four third. Maybe I'm underestimating him there. But to answer

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Speaker 1: your question, yes, there is trade value when it comes

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Speaker 1: to coaches. I don't know about the no trade clause part.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he'd have any veto power there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't quite short, you know, with a no losing

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Speaker 5: season kind of thing. But to me, that's just mediocracy.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know if really is when to you know,

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Speaker 5: the owners look at what Toman does bring, whether or

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Speaker 5: not to bring more than, like you said, a third

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Speaker 5: or fourth rounder.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call, Fred. You're gonna hear that

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Speaker 1: all offseason long. You already are starting to hear it

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Speaker 1: about trading Mike Tomlin. I'm not getting on Fred there.

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Speaker 1: This is more. You know, you tune into Monday Night

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Speaker 1: Football last night and it's the Giant should hire Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: He'd be great, They should trade for him. That is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a very popular thing that people are gonna

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Speaker 1: get out there. You're gonna hear people say ridiculous things

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Speaker 1: like Mike Tomlin to go for maybe two first round picks.

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Speaker 1: That's just absurd. What else is absurd is these stats

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Speaker 1: that I'm about to hit you with. It's time for

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Speaker 1: a trifecta sponsored by Danny's Pizza and Hogies, Pittsburgh's original

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Speaker 1: oven baked Hogy since nineteen sixty. We're oute eighty eight

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Speaker 1: in Bethel Park. In the second half against the Bills,

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Speaker 1: fifty two percent of the Steelers place failed to gain

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Speaker 1: a single yard, more than half the time they snapped

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Speaker 1: the ball on offense in the second half against Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: That he can get a yard pathetic. Even more pathetic,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers haven't completed a downfield pass in thirty six days,

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Speaker 1: Oho for thirteen three interceptions, last five games combined on

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Speaker 1: twenty plus air passes. And last, but not least, Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin has now gone sixty two straight games with seven

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Speaker 1: or fewer points in the first quarter. That's sixty four

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Speaker 1: games if you want to include a couple of playoffs too.

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Speaker 1: That is the longest streak by any head coach in

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Speaker 1: NFL history. I mean, the ugly stats are really piling up,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta be honest with you. The second one

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Speaker 1: I hit you with areon our trifecta. The Steelers haven't

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Speaker 1: completing in downfield pass in thirty six days. That is

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Speaker 1: so hard to believe. Thirty six days, they haven't completed

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Speaker 1: a pass twenty plus yards downfield air yardage wise, you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna win many football games if that's the case.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about an archaic offense.

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Speaker 1: That's an archaic offense. When we come back, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get back into some Penguins talk. We got Pierre Maguire

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Speaker 1: joining me next hour. I got a college football take

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Speaker 1: two at some point in the next hour as well.

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Speaker 1: A lot more to get to today. Some more Steelers

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Speaker 1: guests lined up later, so you'll get your Steelers talk in.

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Speaker 1: It's tom Out from an Info Mark