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Speaker 3: He has been a yeoman of work not only for

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Speaker 3: this Comen News Tribune, but also for ninety three point

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Speaker 3: three KJRFM. He's been hosting shows for us. He was

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Speaker 3: down there as they were tearing down media row around him,

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Speaker 3: the poor guy. On Friday night. We were as we

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Speaker 3: were leaving, they were cutting him off the air. But

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Speaker 3: Greg is with us one more time. Then we won't

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Speaker 3: bother him for a while. We promise we won't bother you,

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Speaker 3: Greg until until you go I don't know, maybe a

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Speaker 3: week and a half till you go to the combine.

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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, right, you know, I hear from two

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Speaker 2: guys every morning you say the same thing, and they

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Speaker 2: call me every.

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Speaker 3: Morn oh man. Well, we appreciate the work. So, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's still a ton going on. And it's like the

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Speaker 3: football cycle never stops. I mean it's like twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five season just got over. In twenty twenty six season

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Speaker 3: has already started, and you've got you know, Sam Darnold

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Speaker 3: getting you know, getting his roster bonus today. I mean,

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Speaker 3: does today affect whether Sam gets a contract ripped up

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Speaker 3: in a new one signed? And what do you think

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Speaker 3: is a likelihood of that happening, or do you think

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Speaker 3: Sam's just going to play next season under his current deal?

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Speaker 2: Well, Dick, the mL of John Schneider is that he

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Speaker 2: reaps his foundation guys going into the final year of

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Speaker 2: the deal, which would be this time next year. For

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, it doesn't make a whole lot of financial

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Speaker 2: sense for the Seahawks to do it right now because

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Speaker 2: his value has never been higher in his life than

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Speaker 2: he is coming off a four thousand yard season in

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl Championship. So they he got seventeen and

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Speaker 2: a half million guaranteed today, Cooper Cup got a guaranteed

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Speaker 2: aerone Jones. This was already budgeted for. This is already

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Speaker 2: part of their salary cap planning for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's not that they are hamstrung by doing this.

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Speaker 2: This is how they structure their deals. They do a

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Speaker 2: day of after the Super Bowl. The waiver period is

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Speaker 2: the day after the Super Bowl. This is normal operation

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Speaker 2: for John Schneider. I wouldn't necessarily think that Sam Darnold's

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Speaker 2: gonna get a new extension after just one season, he's

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Speaker 2: the nineteenth highest paid quarterback in the NFL on average salary.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good deal for Seattle for where he

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Speaker 2: took them and going seventeen to three. So from a

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Speaker 2: financial common business sense, I think they're going to keep

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Speaker 2: him where he's at, and Donald's probably cool with that,

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Speaker 2: and if he has an assurance that he's their guy

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Speaker 2: going forward, and at this time next year they get

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Speaker 2: him a new deal.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Greg Jackson, here you mentioned normal business for John Schneider.

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Speaker 1: What's not been normal business for John Schneider is using

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag twenty ten, we use it on the

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Speaker 1: kicker Alendo Mare twenty nineteen, Frank Clark, who has then

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Speaker 1: traded to Kansas City. All the talk is around potential

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Speaker 1: franchise tag use on Kenneth Walker. I think it's what

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Speaker 1: fourteen million is the amount for the franchise tag? What

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Speaker 1: do you think the chances are they actually use it

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Speaker 2: Though there's a lot more money annually than they wole

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Speaker 2: want to pay him. And let's look at it from

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Speaker 2: both sides, From the Seahawks side, they and every other

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Speaker 2: GM in the league. Schnyder saw it up close to

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Speaker 2: the NFC West had been spooked since six seven. But

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Speaker 2: it's seven eight years ago now that Todd Gurley deal

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Speaker 2: that the Rams gave Todd Gurley after a Mammoth Offensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the year's season. He never really played again

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Speaker 2: had owed him half of his contract after the Rams

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Speaker 2: a season for Atlanta. He was out of the league

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Speaker 2: at twenty seven. Team because ever since then, with Saquon

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Speaker 2: So that's the Seahawks side of it. The Kenneth Walker

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 2: I just went through the first season of my career

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Speaker 2: that I played all seventeen games. I just became MVP

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Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl, obviously had another thousand yard season. Well,

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Speaker 2: then a job share you should be paying me and

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Speaker 2: by the way, you had all this time, from this

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Speaker 2: I've asked him twice. I asked Walker in August. Then

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Speaker 2: I asked him again at the Super Bowl in San

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Speaker 2: Jose last week. Have they come to you at all

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Speaker 2: approaching what he might do for an extension? He said,

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Speaker 2: not that I know of. He gave me the same

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Speaker 2: from that he's got a new agent. He just hired

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Speaker 2: him before the NFC Championship game. Why would they accept

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Speaker 2: what the Seahawks are offering in the eleventh hour when

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Speaker 2: he's this close to what all football players aspire for

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Speaker 2: the second NFL contract in open market bidding and free

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Speaker 2: agency guys. The reason that they take painkilling shots, the

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Speaker 2: reason that they do six Sam Captain's practices in college

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Speaker 2: reason they have off season regiments with trainers and nutritious

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Speaker 2: is for with Kenneth Walker's less than four weeks from

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Speaker 2: entering unrestricted free agency in the NFL. That's the general

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Speaker 2: relational wealth contract, that's what everyone plays for, and now

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Speaker 2: that he's this close, it would really surprise me if

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Speaker 2: he and his new agent settle for what the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: would be to look give him that they haven't been

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Speaker 2: willing to give him all this time. They've had him

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Speaker 2: he's going to free agency, and I think he goes

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Speaker 2: a free agency gets priced out of what the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: are willing to pay. Now, all this plan would have

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Speaker 2: worked out great if Zax Charbonay was still right and

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Speaker 2: then he blows out his knee in the Divisional round.

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Speaker 2: Eight to twelve month typical ACL recovery time means he's

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Speaker 2: middle of training camp. So who's your number one running back?

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Speaker 2: Now that job share you had when Charboney had twelve

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Speaker 2: he's not going to be there with you until perhaps

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Speaker 2: And that's where the Seahawks slow play in job share

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Speaker 2: don't see any reason really the Walker would accept what

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Speaker 3: Now, Well, do you think the Seahawks would be willing

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think any other team is going to go

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Speaker 3: crazy and go Barkley McCaffrey, Derrick Henry, Jonathan Taylor money.

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Speaker 3: But that next tier of Josh Jacobs making twelve a year,

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Speaker 3: what he would be offered, And that to me doesn't

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Speaker 3: sound unreasonable.

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Speaker 1: If I'm John Schneider, well.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a value judgment. How long you think he's

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Speaker 2: And that's the rug. That's what the NFL teams are

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Speaker 2: pretty reluctant to do multi year deals for money. Now again,

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Speaker 2: as soon as you get multiple bidders involved, even if

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Speaker 2: it's one other team, If once he gets an offer

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Speaker 2: a bidding war, which John Schneider historically has not gotten

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Speaker 2: into the guys he really wants to keep. Think about

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Speaker 2: all of them factor Richard Sherman and Richard and Russell

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Speaker 2: all have gotten not even close to free agency because

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Speaker 2: they've resigned him the year before their final deal. This

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Speaker 2: time last year, Walker had not yet had a complete

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Speaker 2: It's not that they don't value him, I should say,

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Speaker 2: it's they don't value him at open market prices. Well

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Speaker 2: not only three weeks left before it becomes open March

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Speaker 2: ninth is when the fitting and negotiation with other teams

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Speaker 2: can begin. I just thought it was very telling that

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Speaker 2: and hired new agents right before the NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 2: He didn't do that just to keep status quote.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting Greg ballots coma News contribute with US. Greg

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Speaker 1: looking at some other players and there is there is

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Speaker 1: a lot that have question marks around him. Rashid Shaheed

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Speaker 1: SPA Track. We had Michael Janidion from SPA Track yesterday

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Speaker 1: and they listed market value at just over fourteen million

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would command fourteen million in the

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Speaker 2: open market. Yeah, that's valuing him as a wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: He's an All Pro Pro Bowl kick returner. And you're

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Speaker 2: exactly right. The top offten, the deep fast blow by,

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Speaker 2: that's who it was supposed to. Even when John Schneider

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Speaker 2: to have Horton at some point this season. He was

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Speaker 2: actually really hurting them this rest of the year. So

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Speaker 2: they would be fine to have resigned Shahit not for

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Speaker 2: fourteen millions, just a special team days, but to re

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Speaker 2: sign Shahed for far less than that. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's going to be the play here they're going to

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Speaker 2: offer him. I think that's the very first offer they're

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Speaker 2: is to Rashid Shahed because he's more signable. He's not

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Speaker 2: a cornerback that's been in the Pro Bowl and has

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Speaker 2: freakish physical skills like requilling. He's not a running back

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Speaker 2: coming off the Super Bowl MVP showcase. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: is a special team's ace who can also play wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: eminently more resignable than Wooland and Walker.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. How about Leonard Williams.

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Speaker 3: I mean, his cap hit goes from fifteen million this

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Speaker 3: year to twenty nine point six next year. I cannot

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Speaker 3: imagine they would go to bat with Leonard Williams making

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Speaker 3: almost thirty million dollars next year. So is that just

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Speaker 2: Probably maybe something with void years. That's something they usually

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Speaker 2: we'll take care of you with more upfront cash thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, Greg, the next time we talk about I talk

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Speaker 3: Thanks for all your hard work, man, We appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: Show's got him working all the time. We picker and

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Speaker 1: And that's interesting, you know, not just the guard.

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Speaker 3: In the next segment. We're gonna play a little game

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Speaker 1: We never waver Man. We believed in each other. We

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Speaker 3: Travis is running the show today, Yo Jackson breaking down quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: We're out.

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Speaker 3: I've got the clearly better than category better than Donald,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the clearly worse pipe up.

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Nicks needs to be moved out, all right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I ask you how Jalen Hurts three. I just

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Speaker 1: I think I think, like that's one of those ones

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Speaker 1: where like, okay, again, statistics says one thing. You watch him.

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Speaker 1: You see how the Eagles run their offense. If Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts was playing quarterback for the Seahawks, we would have

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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. But that's in a different offense.

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Speaker 1: I agree with the Eagles run a horrible offense. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's so tough that all I can move him

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Speaker 1: up That doesn't mean we'll put him ahead. I can

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Speaker 1: move him up into the the move into the range,

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Speaker 1: move him up.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: So we've eliminated now about ten to twelve cours. Yeah

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Speaker 3: sounds so get him the hell out of here, all right.

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Speaker 3: Now we'll go up to the clearly better thy Okay, right,

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Matthew Stafford, and Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: I would throw Justin Herbert up there as well. Personally, Okay,

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Speaker 1: would you throw Justin Herbert up there as well? Or

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Speaker 1: do you have him in the Sam Darnold range. I'm

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Speaker 1: just waiting to see when Justin Herbert actually accomplishes something

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Speaker 1: in the end. Again, he's been a Herbert fan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I'm like, what the hell has the dude done?

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Speaker 1: And he's been there for like seven years? I would

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Speaker 1: I would combat that with look at the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: just Justine Herbert has not had an offensive line, and

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Speaker 1: he's still been pretty dark successful with no offense. You

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Speaker 1: put Justin Herbert on the Seahawks, Oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 1: mean we're talking about a blowout even by greater proportions

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Speaker 1: of the Patriots. All Right, we're moving Justin Herbert up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So now we've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

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Speaker 3: twelve quarterbacks all right in the range. And now it's

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Speaker 3: time to vote. Now the fun part's start. Now it's

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Speaker 3: time to vote. Caleb Williams or Sam Darnold. So different old,

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Speaker 3: so different. They are different because Caleb is can be

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Speaker 3: absolutely phenomenal and do a ton of stuff that Sam doesn't.

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Speaker 3: But Caleb can also be terrible, boneheaded, and his completion

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Speaker 3: percentage is one of the worst in the league. He's

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Speaker 3: like at like fifty five percent or something like that.

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Speaker 1: It was horrible. I know, Oh my gosh, he's he's

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Speaker 1: so uber talented one day and one day you look.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about right now, he was at Sam by

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Speaker 3: a hair. Okay, I'm with you, Yeah, I'm with you,

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Speaker 3: all right. So Sam ahead of Caleb, Dak Prescott or

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald.

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Speaker 1: See, like this is the convery. You brought the point

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Speaker 1: of stats right right, like Dak stats. It's Dak Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott's stats. But I don't think I don't think Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott is a supremely great quarterback. He just has his

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Speaker 1: stats inflated because Dallas is always losing, so they always

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Speaker 1: have to throw in their fourth quarter and then inflates

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys offensive passing stats. Dak Prescott threw six hundred

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Speaker 1: passes this year. Yeah, exactly, so like, come on, I

487
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Speaker 1: only had thirty touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: You think a guy that threw six hundred passes would

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Speaker 3: have more than thirty touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald is a better quarterback than Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: But again, I think it's close, Like I think I'm

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Speaker 1: taking I think I'm saying Dak over Caleb Williams. But

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Speaker 1: right now we are splitting hairs. I know that's what

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Speaker 1: makes this so fun. So where are you at, Travis.

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Speaker 4: That that's a really close one?

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Speaker 1: You're taking Dak over Sam or Sam over Dak. I

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Speaker 1: might take Dak over Sam, you know, And I don't

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Speaker 1: have a problem with that, and like, if we need

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Speaker 1: to completely, you know, go one way or another. That's

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Speaker 1: obviously very, very talented and.

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Speaker 3: Sam's talented, But I'm okay with putting Dak over Sam barely,

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Speaker 3: but barely.

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Speaker 1: It's a little more seasoned Jared Goff or Sam Darl

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Speaker 1: not even question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, last year I would have probably said I

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Speaker 3: would have gone the other way, but Sam has done

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Speaker 3: enough in the last two years too.

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Speaker 1: And Jared Goff had had Williams back at the receiver

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Speaker 1: this year for Detroit and yeah, no, it's still regressed.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love or Sam Darn Yeah, Jordan Love, he was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be the second coming this year and he

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Speaker 1: wasn't you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Rod, vote on the next one. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: give you the opportunity. Brock party My or Sam Donald

515
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Speaker 3: by a mile. Sammy, Yeah, isn't it awesome that brock

516
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Speaker 3: perty makes all that money?

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Speaker 1: It does good for him. Baker Mayfield or Sam Donald.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is look at the the

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Speaker 1: You can't look at the first six, seven, eight games

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Speaker 1: of the season. You look at the whole season. He

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Speaker 1: was terrible. Baker Mayfield turned into you know, Sudur Sanders,

522
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Speaker 1: like he just fell off a cliff and he would

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Speaker 1: have some amazing plays when Mike Evans came back finally,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, Sam Donald turned

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Speaker 1: back into a pumpkin.

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Speaker 3: He did have a lot of receiver injury, so well,

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Speaker 3: that's that's one of the reasons that Baker's numbers went

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Speaker 3: down significantly.

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Speaker 1: But your guys came back though he wasn't He wasn't

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the last eight weeks of the season,

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Speaker 3: and Baker Mayfield had a touch an interception for every

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Speaker 3: touchdown he threw.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's not Wow, that's not good. It's not good.

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Speaker 1: Bob ten touchdowns ten oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Yeah, we're putting. We're putting Sam

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Speaker 3: bub Baker Sam Donald. Now this is a tough one

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Speaker 3: because we would have had a different conversation twelve months ago,

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald or Jadeen Daniels Jane Daniels.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when Jane Daniels is healthy and like at this

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Speaker 1: moment on February thirteenth, twenty Jaydon Daniels is healthy at

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00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: this moment, right, But does.

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Speaker 3: Jane Daniels play the quarterback position as well as Sam donnthy.

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Speaker 3: We all know that he's more talented, God given than Sam.

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Speaker 1: Do you look at some of the passes he made

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Speaker 1: to Terry McLaurin down the side and and the things

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Speaker 1: that Jayde Daniels can do even more than just mobility.

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Speaker 1: That dude is ridiculously challenged. And I think that's why

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Speaker 1: the Commanders take a step back this year. All Right,

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Speaker 1: what do you think Travis. Take us up forward, take

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Speaker 1: a step forward, go back to where they were.

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Speaker 4: I guess yeah, talent wise, Jaden Daniels is the better quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's on the way worst team. Yeah, all right, if.

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Speaker 4: We're just comparing quarterbacksquarterback, I'm going I guess, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: all right, put him.

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Speaker 1: We'll put him in. So far he and Dak are

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Speaker 1: ahead of of Sam in the in in that same range.

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Speaker 1: Imagine imagine the Seahawks offense with an option offense with

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Speaker 1: Canine and Jade Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Together with JSA n be kind of pissed at that, though,

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Speaker 3: how about our offend Drake May. Now, our thoughts of

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Speaker 3: Drake May might be a little different now than they

563
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Speaker 3: were a month ago. But Drake May, who was second

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Speaker 3: in the MVP voting, Okay or Sam Donald Dick, here's

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Speaker 3: my opinion on Drake May. Put him down a categry. Wow,

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Speaker 3: you're that down on not get that crap out of here,

567
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Speaker 3: not that far down. But Drake May did feast on

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Speaker 3: a really crappy schedule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we saw, like.

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Speaker 3: You put Drake May in front of the Houston Texans

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Speaker 3: defense and the LA Chargers. The defense, the Baltimore or

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Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos defense in the Seattle Seahawks defense and

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Speaker 3: it did not go well.

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Speaker 1: So we'll put Drake May underneath. Sam Donald. Yeah, Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald or bone Nicks. Sam Donald. Donald not a huge

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Speaker 1: bon Nicks guy.

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Speaker 3: He's good, He's good enough, but I'm not a huge

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Speaker 3: Bonnicks Sam Darr. We got a couple more left, Sam

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Speaker 3: donaldare Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence was excellent this year. Trevor Lawrence had a

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Speaker 1: great year for Jacksonville. I mean, they had a decent

582
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Speaker 1: chance of if they had just gotten hot and gotten Iran.

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Speaker 1: He had weapons finally when he got Jacobe Myers in

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Speaker 1: that offense. YEP. I really like Trevor Lawrence now he's

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Speaker 1: finally kind of on. The game has clearly slowed down

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Speaker 1: for him, just off of talent, just off I think

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Speaker 1: the better the quarterback. I'm going Trevor Lawrence right now.

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Speaker 1: We do you think Travis I'm going Donald. Still.

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Speaker 4: Lawrence definitely had a nice bounce back season's He's very,

590
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Speaker 4: very talented, has a great arm.

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Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still going to Donald. I'm not moving

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Speaker 1: on this one, Dick. So you're gonna have to make

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Speaker 1: the call on this. We had.

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Speaker 3: This is one I kind of have to look at

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Speaker 3: the stats on and Trevor Lawrence completed sixty one percent

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Speaker 3: of his passed as Sam was at sixty eight. Boh,

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Speaker 3: we know, of course that's not everything right. They both

598
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: threw for right at four thousand yards. But Sam did

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Speaker 3: it in four and seventy seven attempts. Trevor Lawrence did

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Speaker 3: it in almost one hundred more attempts. Trevor was seven

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Speaker 3: point two yards per attempt. Sam was eight and a

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Speaker 3: half yards in attempt. So Sam's rating ninety nine with

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Speaker 3: a fifty five QBR, Trevor Lawrence ninety one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with a fifty eight QBR. Because he runs more

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Speaker 1: than Sam donn. That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: You look at the running. He had nine touchdowns on

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Speaker 3: the ground. Splitting hairs on this one. Splitting hair I

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Speaker 3: think I trust If I had to go into battle

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Speaker 3: in a big game, I think I trust Sam Donald

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Speaker 3: more than Trevor Lawrence. I think I would trust. So

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Sam Donald over Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: Sent that puts that puts Sam Donald behind only according

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Speaker 3: to our official tally.

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Speaker 1: The definitive.

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold ranking in the NFL behind Mahomes, Alan Lamar,

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Speaker 3: Stafford Burrough, Herbert Dak and Jayde Damils put some nights

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Speaker 3: in the NFL, and I'd have him ten behind Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: But I mean again, we're splitting nine to ten, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's fitting. He's a top nine to twelve guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's a top ten quarterback, but he's barely a

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Speaker 1: top ten quarterback. Four I have four or five one

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Speaker 1: Are we idiots?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we know are idiots, but are we idiots on

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Speaker 3: this particular topic. We'll take some of those texts and

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Speaker 3: more on ninety three point three KJFM