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Speaker 2: But Migi Guy writes, I first heard of freezing fog

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Speaker 2: I immediately respected it after that because my drive wheels slipped slightly,

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Speaker 3: You fear it both.

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Speaker 4: It's funny you read that text because I did do

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Speaker 4: cause black ice. To form on roadways and it's very

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Speaker 4: It is something you need to pay attention to. Tiny

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Speaker 3: Freezing fog.

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Speaker 2: You got no chance? Is what sounds like against you?

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Speaker 4: Maybe bring an access and maybe bring some equipment home tonight,

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Speaker 2: So can you can you encounter freezing fog during a

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Speaker 4: talking of hockey. Correct, Well, here you go. The Wild

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Speaker 4: I had landed from Michigan at like eleven fifteen eleven thirty,

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Speaker 4: Let's just rewreck Bill Garon from beyond the pod. That

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Speaker 4: he played Kevin Fiala's goal twice. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: He probably figured nobody was listening, but I was. Kevin

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Speaker 3: We do we care about this? Are we into this? Whatever?

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Speaker 4: They can just want to live a good life and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an eight thirty tip. Yeah, why not?

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Speaker 4: Do you hear the while they wrap up the Long

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Speaker 3: He nailed it, Marco Rubio, Marco Rubio. Who's the other guy? Marco?

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Speaker 4: It takes its name from the folk dance of the Gavat,

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Speaker 2: But that's the beauty of the song actually, right, is

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Speaker 3: Interpret it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. However, however, you

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Speaker 3: In that particular conversation. Is he still doing those? I

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Speaker 2: He did a great one a number of years ago

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Speaker 2: Who would be a good match? Email us with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all it's all about a catchy musical song or

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Speaker 2: At the Rose Bowl, Yes, that Dan Dakich's best friend

438
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Speaker 2: was Kato Klein.

439
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Speaker 4: They went to the game together because the k Train,

440
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Speaker 4: as he's told us, lives in a quiet little town

441
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Speaker 4: in Los Angeles area called Teluca Lake. Oh, Teluca Lake,

442
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Speaker 4: which is near Pasadena. Yes, and Dockits was obviously out

443
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Speaker 4: there to support your hoosiers and their buddies.

444
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Speaker 3: Yeah. They.

445
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Speaker 4: I think Cato was on one of Dockach's shows yesterday

446
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Speaker 4: or today because he's been on now over the years,

447
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Speaker 4: and somebody sent Dockage the same sentiment that I know

448
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Speaker 4: I had and others had when we had kto on

449
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Speaker 4: what about ten years ago. Never, in my wildest dreams.

450
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Speaker 2: Were you were you were like you were praying that

451
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Speaker 2: I would reconsider. Basically that was I admitted I was wrong. Yeah, no,

452
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Speaker 2: you did.

453
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Speaker 4: My instinct on that was not correct, and mostly just

454
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Speaker 4: because I didn't I didn't know what the point of

455
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Speaker 4: it was going to be. But then it became real quick,

456
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Speaker 4: real clear that it was going to be fun because

457
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Speaker 4: K Train's got like the best energy of anybody. Absolutely,

458
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Speaker 4: he just has such a fun vibe about him, so fun.

459
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Speaker 4: He's one of those guys who you go in with trepidation,

460
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Speaker 4: and whatever trepidation you have, he destroys.

461
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Speaker 3: It immedia and it was immediate. You view yourself as

462
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Speaker 3: a cynic, but I'm supposed to be all that.

463
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Speaker 2: He's just too much fun to hang on to whatever

464
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Speaker 2: that because sarn is you. He's got to let it go.

465
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Speaker 4: That's the K Train. Yeah yeah, and so but somebody

466
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Speaker 4: texted Dockage. Never, in my wildest dreams, if you would

467
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Speaker 4: have said twenty five years ago, Dan Dockis is going

468
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Speaker 4: to be hosting a radio show and Kato Kalen is

469
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Speaker 4: going to be the guest. I never would have seen

470
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Speaker 4: that coming, and that's how a lot of people felt.

471
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Speaker 4: I think we got that text dozens of times. Can't

472
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Speaker 4: say I ever thought Kato Klen would be a regular.

473
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Speaker 4: That's the beauty talking packers, brewers, whatever it is. And yeah,

474
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Speaker 4: he's a beauty. He's an absolute beauty. People have their

475
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Speaker 4: own bucket list. Who listened to the show so far?

476
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Speaker 4: I've gotten Antoine Winfield, Bobby or junior or senior for Winfield. Well,

477
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Speaker 4: that's a good question. Do both or both? Kato Kalin

478
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Speaker 4: back the big knocker? That's really not I mean, that's

479
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Speaker 4: we love them, but that shouldn't be that tough to book.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Sarah Spain is.

481
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Speaker 2: With Tim Wallas is being offered up as well, which

482
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Speaker 2: is well, he might be gettable soon.

483
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Speaker 3: He actually might be gettable. That's very he's on the

484
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Speaker 3: excuse tour.

485
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Speaker 4: Somebody did suggest because I was lamenting having to do

486
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Speaker 4: some best of last week. And it's hard this time

487
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Speaker 4: of year because we have a couple of days back

488
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Speaker 4: to back and frequently one or both of us is

489
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Speaker 4: gone and the show is not what we would call evergreen.

490
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Speaker 4: At this time of year, everything is pretty topical, so

491
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Speaker 4: best of is tricky. And multiple people suggested that we

492
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Speaker 4: re rack the Sarah Spain conversation, which we used I

493
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Speaker 4: think three times a memorial. I appreciate that they were

494
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Speaker 4: paying attention. We did not for the regular one. I'll

495
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Speaker 4: give you one for sure.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't a name that's been brought up on a

497
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Speaker 2: different context or in a different context.

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Speaker 3: Don Henley, okay, I would.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he strikes me as all those guys, who's

500
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Speaker 2: almost impossible. But if we're talking, you know, that's the

501
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Speaker 2: whole point of the list.

502
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Speaker 3: For me. See, that's the weird thing for me.

503
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Speaker 2: There's probably more music people than there are sports people,

504
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Speaker 2: which is fine, which is fine, and you know that

505
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Speaker 2: might be you know, the way to go. But he's yeah,

506
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Speaker 2: I and Henley strikes me as all those guys. You

507
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Speaker 2: got to get him at the right moment, and if not,

508
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: it could go pair shape. But and it may be

509
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Speaker 2: at this point very difficult to get somebody like that

510
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Speaker 2: at all. I don't know the last time he's been interviewed.

511
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Speaker 2: I've said bos Skaggs before, but my hesitation there is

512
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Speaker 2: I've never heard a good Boss Skaggs interview.

513
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's a challenge. How that would be the challenge? Yeah,

514
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 3: because he just he just doesn't you know.

515
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Speaker 2: If you some of these aging musicians who used to

516
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Speaker 2: pride themselves on being cranky about that whole process, they

517
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Speaker 2: reach a point where they kind of let go and

518
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Speaker 2: they're maybe even missing some of the attention, and then

519
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Speaker 2: they become outstanding because if they've been in music as

520
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Speaker 2: long as guys like bos Skaggs has, and they've done

521
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Speaker 2: has done the different kinds of music that he has,

522
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Speaker 2: then they got all kinds of great stories they could tall.

523
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Speaker 3: He worked with some of the all time greats. He

524
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Speaker 3: spent and he was around the Alvin Brothers for a

525
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Speaker 3: long time, going way way back. But that's what You

526
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Speaker 3: never know which way it's going to go. But maybe

527
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Speaker 3: it would be worth worth trying a number of others

528
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Speaker 3: coming in, Uh Frank Turkington, which may or may not

529
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Speaker 3: be somebody and on the joke, I'm not sure Jerry

530
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Speaker 3: kill oh, uh, we could get Jerr Jesse Ventura. Chris

531
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Speaker 3: Hockey is being offered up as well. The is he

532
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Speaker 3: a difficult get? No, it is hawk a difficult get.

533
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Speaker 4: The only the only time it's problematic to get Hawk

534
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Speaker 4: is a lot of times he's taking a nap during

535
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Speaker 4: the only time.

536
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Speaker 2: I mean, he tends to text us when we talk music, yes,

537
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: which makes sense, and he and and he'll come up.

538
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: What was the last time? It was something about a

539
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: guitar chord? I can't remember what it was. Coach Barrero

540
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: is being offered. How's her squad doing? By the way,

541
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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. It's the rebuilding here. They're

542
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: up and down. We saw them when she won the

543
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: consolation bracket of for holiday tournament but lost early. So

544
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Speaker 2: they're about I think they're five hundred dish right around there.

545
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Speaker 2: They got kind of a waste. How about Zoom, Well,

546
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: that's a big one. We have tried that. I know

547
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Speaker 2: you've tried a lot that. That would be disastrous, probably too,

548
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: Chris Collinsworth. Yeah, Doc Donaldson calling the hotline as Kenny Petera,

549
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: Chris Carter and Sam Mitchell at the same time would

550
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Speaker 2: be great. He got himself into Twitter war. Did you

551
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Speaker 2: see the the Doc Donalds in Twitter War? He got

552
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: himself which day. Yeah, he's a mess.

553
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually don't disagree with him. About the latest

554
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: because they had to do with the stupid uh taunting pills.

555
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: Yes, the quarterback got Garnett. That's the top, and I

556
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: think that'll happen. Yeah, I hope.

557
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: I think we'll get that done whenever he comes back.

558
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's pause and let's hit some a section stuff,

559
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Speaker 2: you know, the I think the Winter Olympics are scheduled

560
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: to start pretty soon, are they not?

561
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? A couple of weeks. A couple of weeks. Well,

562
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Speaker 3: the good news is, I think to a certain extent,

563
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Speaker 3: the Winter Deflection Olympics have already begun. We'll explain.

564
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565
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566
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567
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568
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Speaker 4: KFA dot com. The keyword is calendar.

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Speaker 2: Can you guys explain that Sarah Spain bit a little

570
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Speaker 2: bit more? I remember listening to the interview at the time.

571
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: Things she was entertaining. Did she get a lot of

572
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: negative feedback or something? It's a fair question why, because

573
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Speaker 2: it did. I mean, we got along. Yeah, it was good,

574
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Speaker 2: and it was I think it went well.

575
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Speaker 4: It did well. It went that's the bit. It went

576
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Speaker 4: so well. We played it forty two times, and I

577
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Speaker 4: don't remember if it was Memorial Day weekend best of

578
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Speaker 4: or fourth of July, whatever it was, but there was

579
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Speaker 4: a week we had best of and then we had

580
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Speaker 4: best of Sermons and it got replay there, and I

581
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: think we had another best of for some reason or

582
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Speaker 4: something where it was essentially played like three times in

583
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Speaker 4: the span of five days. So if you turned on

584
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Speaker 4: the fan any point during those five days, you heard

585
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Speaker 4: that conversation multiple times. That's how good we thought it

586
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: was originally. Yeah, and so that was kind of a bit.

587
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: It was a sermons back to back and then it

588
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Speaker 4: may have been like Memorial Day Monday that it was

589
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Speaker 4: also on, and so we played it back to back days.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure you had to really be dialed in

591
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Speaker 4: to hear it all those times, but Sue, it's one

592
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Speaker 4: of my favorites. By the way, I need to mention

593
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Speaker 4: to you because we've not really talked a lot about

594
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Speaker 4: any of this stuff on air or off air, so

595
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Speaker 4: I end up getting a hit yesterday on Oh Yeah,

596
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Speaker 4: National TV. Conlin McShane, Right, Colin McShane, who we had on, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I should say conn Knell, No, Connall.

598
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I keep mispronouncing the name.

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Speaker 2: I fortunately pronounce correctly during the interview Connell because we'd

600
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Speaker 2: had him on what two or three months ago.

601
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Speaker 3: Or is it longer now? It was longer than that,

602
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Speaker 3: but yes.

603
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Speaker 2: And he's so it's News Nation is the name of

604
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Speaker 2: the station, and they're they're the national cable network. That's

605
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Speaker 2: attempting to kind of, you could say, try to offer

606
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Speaker 2: up a little less of the automatic identification that Fox

607
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Speaker 2: is right and MSNBC has left correct, right. I think

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Speaker 2: with some success. I don't know if commercially they're doing well,

609
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Speaker 2: but I think they've got good shows.

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Speaker 3: They've been around now for a while. I really do.

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Speaker 3: I hope they're there. They are able to get a

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Speaker 3: toe hold in there.

613
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Speaker 2: And so somehow you hooked me up, so you have

614
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Speaker 2: we have some contacts.

615
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Speaker 3: Yes, good friend of mine works there. Yeah, it works there,

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Speaker 3: and so naturally it was a technological disaster for me. No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we got through it because what happened is

618
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Speaker 2: I didn't I wanted to do it to my iPad

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Speaker 2: and I hadn't downloaded is it zoom no meeting or

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Speaker 2: whatever it was that I needed to do their link

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Speaker 2: and then I couldn't my passwords, so we ended up

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Speaker 2: doing it via my phone, trying to sort of like,

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Speaker 2: you know, prop up my phone, which is not ideal

624
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Speaker 2: for them, but we unless we got through it.

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Speaker 3: My sources say they love you.

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Speaker 2: He was good and and Connall is easy to talk

627
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Speaker 2: to you at his job, so tell him, yeah, anytime,

628
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Speaker 2: anytime they need some. And this was the governor Wallas

629
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Speaker 2: was a subject obviously yesterday that that turned national.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my sources say they they loved it good and

631
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Speaker 4: strong indications they think Cuomo might try to steal you

632
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Speaker 4: from Connall. Really, I would love that kind of There

633
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Speaker 4: might be a bidding war for Berrero. Yeah, there may

634
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Speaker 4: be a bidding.

635
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's still doing Chris Cuomo is still doing a show. Right,

637
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Speaker 2: he's the one at nighting guy. Yeah, he's a guy

638
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Speaker 2: at night. And he's also attempted to sort of remake

639
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Speaker 2: himself from being viewed as well, you're lefty guy in

640
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Speaker 2: CNN and right, and now you're trying to sort of

641
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Speaker 2: reinvent yourself with I think some success.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm essentially an associate producer for News Nation.

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Speaker 3: Now that's not a bad gig because we also hooked

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Speaker 3: him up.

645
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Speaker 4: With Brian McClung, who has been on a lot with

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Speaker 4: those guys. I didn't set this one up, but it's

647
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Speaker 4: funny because I got a text yesterday in Michigan from

648
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Speaker 4: Pete Nigerian who said, was Dan just on with Conor McShane.

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Speaker 4: He goes, I'm on right now. Right, he was on

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Speaker 4: like thirty minutes after you. So he jumps on a

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Speaker 4: lot there too, So it's good.

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Speaker 3: It's fun. Seven to three guy writes, Don Henley is dead.

653
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

654
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: I just googled him. Glenn Frye, Yeah, sadly passed along.

655
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: I think Don Henley is very much it's still very

656
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: much alive. Alan Page is coming up understandably. Yeah, and

657
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: we're probably you know, we talked about trying to get him.

658
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: In fact, I still owe him a book recommendation, the

659
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: name of a book that I have to He might

660
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: have to be the middleman there to bring to his attention.

661
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: Henley's alive. He's seventy eight. Bob Dylan, Yeah, I can't

662
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: even imagine. I think that might even be beyond you. Yeah,

663
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: that's one where. And I'll be honest, I don't know

664
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: that I even have. I don't consider myself. I'm not

665
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: a Dylan hater. Well I could, I could do it.

666
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: I there. I am fascinated enough by what he represents

667
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: that I that I think I could try some stuff

668
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: with him. But you know, he's one of those guys.

669
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: You don't know if you're going to get anywhere with him.

670
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I do Where were we?

671
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: Oh well this is all uh deflection flection Olympics. Yeah,

672
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: and again, as each day goes by, I got to

673
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: be honest with you. I know I'm not one of us.

674
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: So I'm still not qualified I guess to make this assertion.

675
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: But as each day goes by, I'm less and less

676
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: optimistic that we're going to learn the important and fundamental

677
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: lessons from the land of ten thousand scandals and ten

678
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: thousand fraud cases.

679
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: I I'm because it's.

680
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: We're falling into the trap that's very convenient politically and

681
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: wats the trap that the governor continues the card he

682
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: continues to play today. Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not perfect.

683
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm not perfect, but those damned Republicans. How dare they

684
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: try to make the political hay that they want.

685
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: To out of this thing? And I'll tell you you

686
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 3: can do that.

687
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: You can continue to play that game as long as

688
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: you want. But in doing so, you're not giving I

689
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: think any of the moderates or even the Democrats who

690
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: are angry about the series of scandals, any hope that

691
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: we're going to learn anything from this because you cannot.

692
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: Can we blame I'm going to read you a few

693
00:34:52,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: comments and you tell me if we can blame the

694
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, once again the Republicans for

695
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: the scope of fraud that has been laid out so

696
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: eloquently from the US Attorney's Office via two different individuals,

697
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: one of whom might be back on the show tomorrow,

698
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: Andy Lueger, And.

699
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: I'll read you again.

700
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: Allegedly, we've been told that the folks who are have

701
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: the job of Minnesota Legislative auditor. Historically, I think has

702
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: that person, male or female, has been viewed as above

703
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: the politics of it.

704
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: We're technicians.

705
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: Our job is to evaluate how well our systems of

706
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: checks and balances are working when it comes to the

707
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: theft of money and pointing out regardless of whose feelings

708
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: are going to get hurt. What we are not doing

709
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: particularly well. And I'm looking at this is a piece.

710
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: Let's see if I can find the right one here.

711
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: I had several.

712
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: This was.

713
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: Written by the former Legislative Auditor Jim Nobles, and he

714
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: had a this goes back to again, let's remember now

715
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 2: this goes back to October twenty twenty five.

716
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is well.

717
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: Before you could say this has become all politicized and

718
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: the Republicans it's a gotcha game, et cetera, et cetera.

719
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: And in his piece, this appeared in the Star Tribute,

720
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: a commentary and it starts out with an illusion of

721
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: a recognition of a piece. Rochelle Elson did an interview

722
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: with the current Minnesota Legislative Auditor, Judy Randall, and he

723
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: tries to be optimistic early in the piece, saying that

724
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: in the story there was a ray of hope that

725
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: the Walls administration is maybe finally doing something about the

726
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: problem of fraud in Minnesota government programs.

727
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: And he writes, this is good.

728
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: News because, make no mistake about it, the theft of millions,

729
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: maybe billions of tax dollars from Minnesota programs resulted not

730
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: just from the actions of fees, but also from the

731
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: failure of state executive officials to implement basic financial safeguards

732
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: recommended in numerous audit reports for several years. Let's go

733
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: back to the current, said auditor. Let me get the

734
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: quote I'm looking for here. This comes from Judy Randall,

735
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: and we talked about this at the time. Over the

736
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: past several years, Legislative Auditor Judy Randall said she's noticed

737
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: stated agencies becoming less receptive to audits critical of their work.

738
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: I've seen increasing rejection of our findings and recommendations or

739
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: denial or dismissiveness or excuses. By the way, Randall's worked

740
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: in the office for twenty six years, there's definitely a

741
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: shoot the messenger feeling.

742
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: Now that's undeniable.

743
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: And not political, and so we can forget all that conveniently.

744
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: And while those dirty Republicans, look what they're doing with

745
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: this thing, look at the way they're exploiting it.

746
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: And I won't even.

747
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: Disagree with some of the exploitation, but that doesn't change

748
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: the story.

749
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: And if we fixate only on that, we ain't going

750
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: to learn the lesson.

751
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: We're not going to make it any better. It's not

752
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: going to get any better than it has been obviously

753
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: over the course of the last twenty twenty five years.

754
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: Here's what Nobles also writes, as we know from investigations

755
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: and prosecutions, particularly by federal officials, the significant number of

756
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: people in these organizations we're not serving. They were stealing

757
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: not just from taxpayers, but also from families in their

758
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: own communities. As a result, families, particularly Somali families, did

759
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: not receive the food, childcare, or other state funded services

760
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: that they needed.

761
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: In that taxpayers paid for.

762
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: State officials, particularly in the Minnesota Department of Human Services,

763
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: bought in other departments as well, allowed community organizations to

764
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: administer important programs without first verifying that they were trustworthy.

765
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: Then state officials failed to verify claims from these organizations

766
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: that they were serving hundreds, even thousands of people in

767
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: their community. And while executive officials were obviously negligent, less

768
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: obvious is the fact that some key legislators tried to

769
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: minimize the fraud problem and shield the Department of Human

770
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: Services and the Walls administration from criticism. Example, when the

771
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: Office of the Legislative Auditor issued a report on childcare fraud.

772
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: The then share of the House Human Services Committee dismissed

773
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: the report and the problems, saying there's always going to

774
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: be fraud, and she refused to ALLOWLA to present its

775
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: report to the committee. In addition, a chief House supporter

776
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: of publicly funded childcare subsidies criticized the OLA report for

777
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: referencing prosecutions that had proven fraud in the childcare program.

778
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: The references were unnecessary and harmful, he said, think about

779
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: that for a minute.

780
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: That's got nothing to do with any exploitation.

781
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 2: That's part of how we ended up in this stupid,

782
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: indefensible position in the state of Minnesota that we happened

783
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: to be in. As like minded House members joined in

784
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: criticizing OILA for investigating allegations of fraud in human service programs.

785
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: I met with Speaker Melissa Hortman. As always, she was

786
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: thoughtful and supportive of oila's work, but acknowledged that some

787
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: members of her caucus were upset. They felt that OILA

788
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: reports were subjecting human service programs to too much criticism,

789
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: particularly programs administered by Somali community organizations. The Speaker said

790
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: that as a former county prosecutor, she knew the fraud

791
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: Ola was addressing was real and needed to be investigated.

792
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: She did, however, acknowledge that House committee chairs had been

793
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: instructed not to give Ola reports about fraud any public

794
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: hearings he finishes. This is Jim Nobles, Minnesota's legislative auditor

795
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: for thirty eight years, who retired in twenty twenty one. Thankfully,

796
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: some government officials, especially at the US Attorney's Office and

797
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: the Federal Bureau of Investigation, did not seek to hide

798
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: the Minnesota government fraud problem be aggressively investigated and prosecuted,

799
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: and I applaud their willingness to hold people in organizations

800
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 2: accountable for their text or their theft of tax payer

801
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: of money. Yes, they were just doing their job, but

802
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: they deserve appreciation because state officials refuse to do theirs.

803
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: Those are the facts, So you can if you're a lefty,

804
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: you can get off all you want on. Yeah, I'm

805
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: glad Walls fired back. I'm glad he's standing up for himself.

806
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: By the way, I would say, if Governor Walls wants

807
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 2: to play the game he's playing now, which is victim,

808
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: Why are you bowling out?

809
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 3: You're trying to have it both ways.

810
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, then if there's no admission

811
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: that this isn't just about the politics of the situation,

812
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: but about the way you conducted your administration during this

813
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: period of time, that might have exacerbated the problem, might

814
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: have extended these fraud cases and nurtured the concept that

815
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: it was too easy to steal money free money in

816
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: the state of Minnesota, then hang in there, why are

817
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: you out at all? There was another item that got

818
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: my attention. If you go back far enough to a

819
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: childcare substy fraud. This goes back to two thousand and nineteen.

820
00:42:53,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: MPR quoted the then share of the House's Human Services Committee.

821
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: We need to be very careful when we start accusing

822
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: people and accusing entire communities really of being less than

823
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: concerned about where our public money is going. Now you

824
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: know where that's going, and that's been proven. And Andy

825
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: Lueger has brought this up with us many times on

826
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: this show. He may in fact be with us tomorrow

827
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: on other subjects, although it seems like it's always going

828
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: to be a little bit on this subject. In effact,

829
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: what that's saying is, you keep going down this road,

830
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: you keep trying to make these accusations or even do

831
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: these investigations, We're going to have people.

832
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: Calling us racist, and I'm going to call you racist.

833
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: And part of the fear that cudgel in this case

834
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: was used to affect the effectiveness of these investigations of

835
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: getting to the truth. And as Luger has said, our

836
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: job is to follow the story, follow the facts of

837
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: a case, regardless of who may end up being implicated.

838
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: And if we have to back off because of the

839
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: concern that we are prosecuting or attempting to prosecute too

840
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: many people of color, if that's what guides us, then

841
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: we're the idiots because in effect, we're making it easy

842
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: for it to happen again and again again. And it's

843
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: precisely the trap that we fell into here too easily.

844
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: And all of this, I think again almost everything I've

845
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: quoted here comes from current The current auditor and the

846
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: previous one that had historically in this state have been

847
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: viewed as bipartisan or kind of above the politics. We

848
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: don't care who's in power. We're just here to try

849
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: to save, to see if if proper safeguards are in place.

850
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: And as we mentioned reading the UH from what Judy

851
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: ran handle had to say. In fact, I think one

852
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: of these comments she made she actually made.

853
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 3: I want to say it was during a hearing.

854
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure, but when she says over and

855
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: over again that we're just not being listened to the

856
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: same there's too much defensiveness ongoing here that we have

857
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: seen as a pattern that's been developed. And again, does

858
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: that all fall on the hands of the governor. No,

859
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: it's much more complicated than that, but it is his administration.

860
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people, clearly who were trying

861
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 2: to put the brakes on investigations that we now see

862
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: were utterly crucial to preventing or at least trying to

863
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: lessen an historic, unprecedented level of fraud. And there may

864
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: be lefties who are saying right now, well this is

865
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: old Newsdann. Why you bringing up for a very specific

866
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: reason that I just laid out, Because the game that's

867
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: already started is you can see it. Well, yeah, there

868
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: are a few things that went on, but look at

869
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: what these Republicans are doing with it.

870
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: And I'll say again, you can feel sorry for yourself

871
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: that way.

872
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 2: If you're a lefty, you can you can go down

873
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: that road and wallow in it, and I won't even

874
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: disagree with some of the exploitation and even some of

875
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: the misinformation that is made.

876
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: It's that it's too easy to come out at this point.

877
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: But let's go back then, Let's let's calm ourselves, and

878
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: before we allow the governor to turn himself into a

879
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: martyr and into a victim, let's remember what the professionals

880
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 2: were warning year after year after year about safeguards ain't working.

881
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: You're you're you're not being tenacious enough, You're too afraid

882
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: if you're running these businesses, these programs which are meant

883
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: to help people. In many case this is people, including

884
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: people of color, and you're not taking seriously whether the

885
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: money is getting to where it's supposed to, or whether

886
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: people are exploiting this system. Then you're hurting the very

887
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: people that you think you are helping. They have a

888
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: right to be as angry with you as with anybody else,

889
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: and that should not be lost in the weeds as

890
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: this turns into out and see what they're doing. See

891
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: what they're doing with it again, Look what Trump's doing

892
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: with it. And we just got done savaging Trump yesterday

893
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: on a number of fronts, and we'll continue to do so.

894
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: But the issue again is are we.

895
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 3: Going to clean up our house? And if you think

896
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: that the house doesn't need to be cleaned up just

897
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: because you want to change the subject now about how

898
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: it's being exploited, then guess what, man, it's going to

899
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: happen again. It's even more likely that no significant lessons

900
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: are going to be learned here. So that's where I

901
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: wanted today to quote. I didn't quote politicians say, or

902
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: if I did coach politicians, what you heard was basically, now,

903
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: be careful. Well, we don't need to We don't really

904
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: need to discuss we we don't really need to discuss

905
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: this stuff, this stuff in open session. We really don't

906
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: need to do that. Oh, there's always going to be

907
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: fraud to diminish the thing instruction to not give these

908
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: reports about fraud any public hearings. Is that is that

909
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: Trump's fault?

910
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: Or did you just give Trump an easy, you know,

911
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: a piece of AMMO that then he can then use.

912
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: If we aren't you know, direct and honest with that

913
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: in the state of Minnesota, we're gonna lose again.

914
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: We're the ones who are going to look foolish.

915
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: As easy as it is, I know to make it

916
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: about something else.

917
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: I still I swear to you. The books that I

918
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: hope are.

919
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: Being written or will be written about this, I bet

920
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: you we're going to learn they are about two or

921
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: three more layers to this story that we don't even.

922
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: Know exist yet.

923
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: That's how rotten the whole thing feels to me. And

924
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: I've said this before on this show. The people, if

925
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: you want to go on Sharks and Jets, the folks

926
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: who should be the most angry are the Jets, the

927
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: lefties who believe in the generosity of this state and

928
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: believe in the programs of this state, because the money

929
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: that they hope would get to the places where they

930
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: think it needed to get to had almost zero chance

931
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: to do it, in part because of, I guess you

932
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: could say, the restrictions that were put on any meaningful

933
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: effort to investigate whether, well, are these guys real? Is

934
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: this company real? Do they have the resources to do

935
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: what they say they're doing? So there's your story as

936
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. And that's about as I mentioned.

937
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: And you can find these warnings going back by auditors,

938
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: and maybe that's the problem. Maybe they cry wolf so

939
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: much it's well, it's what the auditors do, and they

940
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: always they expect more than we're capable of handling. But

941
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: don't we have enough evidence now that they weren't crying wolf,

942
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 2: especially the last four or five years when we're learning

943
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 2: how much money was stolen here and that there seems

944
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: to be no end to this level of fraud and

945
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: there may indeed be more coming.

946
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: Let's do this.

947
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: Let's pause top of the hour break. I'll get to

948
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: a couple of techs and a couple of other stories

949
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956
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Speaker 3: Kaplan Fox nine, Fox nine. Let me read you an.

957
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: X thread from him from I think about an hour ago.

958
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: This might be the most wild part of that audit

959
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: report that I just sent out a thread on.

960
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: This is something Hang with me here.

961
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 2: During one audit, the grantee could not provide detailed invoices

962
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: or participant data to support a payment of six hundred

963
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: seventy two thousand, six hundred and forty seven dollars from

964
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: BHA for one month of work. It was also the

965
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: first payment DHS made under the agreement with this grantee.

966
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: The total grant agreement amount was one point six million.

967
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: The grantee subcontracted with fourteen subcontractors. OLA visited two and

968
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: neither could provide documentation regarding what they did with the money.

969
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: Here's where it gets wild, he writes, BHA grant manager

970
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: who approved the six hundred and seventy two thousand dollars payment,

971
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: where did she go while she left DHA a few

972
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: days after approving six hundred and seventy two thousand k

973
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: grant and starts consulting services to the grantee, approves grant,

974
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 2: leaves directly financially benefits from said grant. This goes back

975
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 2: to what he hit the thread earlier, an OLA report

976
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: on behavioral health administration that just came out, and that's

977
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: what he's been digging through and talking about what he

978
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 2: views as some major red flags. First, what do BHA

979
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: providers do treatment recovery services for substance abuse and mental health?

980
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 2: If I can continue with this thread, hold on a second,

981
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: this line from the audit is not good for DHS

982
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: and BHA. We received the full cooperation of staff from

983
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: DHS and BHA while performing this audit. However, during the

984
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: course of our audit, we identified a number of documents

985
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 2: the BHA either backdated or created after our audit began.

986
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: Eighteen providers had grant percentage increases in the triple digits

987
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: triple digits. For example, one grant that was pegged for

988
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars ended up with a final grant

989
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: total of five point six million dollars. That's an eight

990
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty percent increase, and it sort of goes

991
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: on from there.

992
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: And all I'm saying is.

993
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that that Seth is trying to

994
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: follow the story. Politics are never always going to be

995
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: part of our conversation, right, But this is the kind

996
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: of stuff that people in the administration need to be

997
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: drilled on. And obviously the Governor's not going to be

998
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: involved at this level intimately with many of these programs.

999
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: But I don't know how much evidence we need about

1000
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: how embarrassing this is, how dangerous this is what we're

1001
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: seeing repeated. It appears over and over again, and maybe

1002
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: this is you know what this is starting to feel

1003
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: like a little bit. Do you remember when the academic

1004
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: fraud scandal hit the University of Minnesota, of course, and

1005
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: the Pioneer Press, Yeah, they broke this, they ran they

1006
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: published the story, the first story the day the Gophers

1007
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: I was with him played out West in the first

1008
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: round of the instant A tournament against Gonzaga.

1009
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: That's exactly.

1010
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: And George Dorman, we've had him on George Dorman, and

1011
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: what we heard after a period of time was, well,

1012
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: you know what this is about, Well, this just happens

1013
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: to be that we got a really good, tenacious, bulldog

1014
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: reporter on the story. It's our bad luck that he

1015
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: works here. In other words, if he worked in Omaha,

1016
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: Nebraska and was investigating the University of Nebraska to in

1017
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 2: trouble exactly, And and maybe that's true, but that's what

1018
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: this smells like a little bit. Well, if we have

1019
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: anybody going this deep, that's what they would find anywhere.

1020
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: But the fact is they found it here, and it

1021
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: appears they're continuing to find it here. Am I going

1022
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 2: to be more suspicious of the Trump administration led investigations?

1023
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: One hundred percent because we understand how he plays the game.

1024
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: Walls is an enemy, so we'll do whatever we have

1025
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: to do. But I'm not quoting from Lackey's from the

1026
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: Trump administration. I'm not quoting his Lickspittles. I'm quoting, as

1027
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: I said, auditors here in this case, a producer who

1028
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: also is trying to do some reporter reporting on this case.

1029
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: And I'm quoting Andy Lueger and the individual who followed him,

1030
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: Joe Thompson. So we got to keep If we don't

1031
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: keep our eye on the ball, we're doomed. What's the

1032
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: famous is it? Santayana?

1033
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 3: Who?

1034
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 2: What's the famous quote about those who paid no attention

1035
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: to the past or doing here?

1036
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: It is? This is from allegedly attributed to Falah George Santiana.

1037
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

1038
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 3: And it's like.

1039
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: We don't want to remember it already we are before

1040
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 2: we even know all of it. It's like we want

1041
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: to forget it. And the mistake in that is it

1042
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: makes it more likely it's gonna happen again. Now, my

1043
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: guess is there are better safeguards in place because he

1044
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: got no choice at this point, you got no choice.

1045
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: But that is a fundamental rot in this equation that

1046
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: has to be dealt with more than clever sound bites

1047
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: from the governor of the state who now wants it

1048
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: both ways. That's what it seems like to me. I'm

1049
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: not gonna run. Almost selflessly, he's saying, I'm not gonna run.

1050
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: But now that I'm liberated from that possibility, I'm gonna

1051
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: pound away and instead of doing what he should do,

1052
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: which is, you know what I'm gonna do the next

1053
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 2: however many months i'm in the job, I'm gonna make

1054
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: it my mission and business every day to drill down

1055
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: on where we screwed up. And I'm going to do

1056
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 2: my damnedest to see that greater safeguards are in place.

1057
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 2: But I'm also not going to be afraid to follow

1058
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: the story on how we got to this position. You

1059
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: think he's got you think you're going to hear that

1060
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: from him, Give me a break. It's not even close

1061
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: to the way this thing is going to play out.

1062
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: It's as easy as the nose on my face to see.

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Speaker 2: The audio was a little bit shaky at times, but

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Speaker 2: we got through it a lot. On the World Juniors

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Speaker 2: event that Louis was a big part of until he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the best. I didn't have any duties, did

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Speaker 2: he No, he didn't. He did a lot. He did

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Speaker 3: It. That was as I said.

1083
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: Between four and four to thirty some a section conversation

1084
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: in the Fiver, proceeded by some Carly Simon conversation. The

1085
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 2: anniversary of the song that went to number one on

1086
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: this date and what year did I say? Nineteen seventy three?

1087
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: I think your friend, we got into that we got

1088
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: into the bucket list, he said.

1089
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: But see, people are assuming. Like a couple of said, well,

1090
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 3: did I miss an announcement as has Barrero announced He's done.

1091
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. Oh no it's not yet. I mean

1092
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: that's inevitable for all of us, but no, not quite yet.

1093
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: But it's it's a subject you've raised before about trying

1094
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: to get some stuff done as well.

1095
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy three just reminded me of when I was

1096
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 4: at Assembly Hall.

1097
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: What year did you cover the undefeated team?

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: That was.

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00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: A seventy five seventy six?

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00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 4: Okay, So they had a picture of like a welcome

1101
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 4: home rally at Assembly Hall that I assumed you had

1102
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 4: to be at right where they had everybody on the

1103
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 4: floor and there was like welcome home Champs.

1104
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: It was this whole thing. You were there.

1105
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: I tried to take a picture, but it was too

1106
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 4: small because I wanted people to try to find you.

1107
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 4: But the only other thing I could think about at

1108
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: Assembly Hall is imagining you being there, not being able

1109
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 4: to see Elton John and.

1110
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: Only because that's true, right, that's true. I was telling

1111
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: that story to everybody, like you know Dan who I

1112
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: work with. Yeah, he heard Elton John.

1113
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 3: Here. I was in the upper deck at Assembly Hall

1114
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: listening to Elton John because why.

1115
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: Because I I I had, I I don't.

1116
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 3: I either ran out of contact. No.

1117
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: What it was is I didn't want to wear contact

1118
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: lenses anymore because they were tough on my eyes. Back then,

1119
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: they weren't as good as they are now, and I

1120
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: cracked my glasses. So I literally had I had no.

1121
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: I mean I went to listen. You could say it's

1122
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: pure in that sense, yes, But I had no. I mean,

1123
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: I had no idea Elton John was in the bill.

1124
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: They could have just been beaming in music and I

1125
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't have known the difference. I couldn't even see a

1126
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: pianel player. You know that far in the upper deck

1127
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: at Assembly Hall, you're like in a never anyway.

1128
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 4: I always walk up there just to see because it's

1129
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: it's very high, very very true. But you could get

1130
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: yourself there, You could like walk there on your own.

1131
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 4: You could see near, but you couldn't see far. Was

1132
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 4: that the bit, because I'm envisioning somebody like walking you in.

1133
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I well, no, I can see I can see near,

1134
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: I can't see fun, got it.

1135
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm near sighted, which I still am to you

1136
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 3: really just sat there and listened. Yeah apparently, yeah, exactly.

1137
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: It didn't Walls initiate and approve the OLA audit that

1138
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: was just released today. That's from six to one to two. Guy, Well, yeah,

1139
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: I would hope.

1140
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: So.

1141
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point there's not much choice, but

1142
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: that's still not the question. The question is how do

1143
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: we get here in the first place. And we got

1144
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 2: two choices, Like I said, we can make it. We're

1145
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: going to go to our tribes and say they're bad

1146
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 2: because they're exploiting it, or they can say we'll leave

1147
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 2: that discussion for another day.

1148
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: We still got to deal with this. This is our problem.

1149
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: No matter who's exploiting it or how they're exploiting it,

1150
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: it is our problem. We've created the mess, and if

1151
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: it didn't exist in the first place, there would be

1152
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: no chance at exploitation. That to me needs to be

1153
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: the continuation of the message from this point tomorrow. Well,

1154
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: first of all, tonight, Wolve's heat on the Wolves channels

1155
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: that correct, because correct, we've got a Gopher men's basketball

1156
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: against the Iowa the ranked iowhaw Gys.

1157
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Number nineteen? I think I can't wait

1158
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: to see Franz red Face. Is he doing anything? Is

1159
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: he doing like radio for their broadcast or anything else?

1160
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: She disappeared. He's coaching at all. That's right.

1161
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 4: He went, that's it, And I think I didn't see

1162
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: the video because it went it scrolled too quickly. I

1163
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 4: think Franz red Face showed up at Penn within the

1164
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 4: last couple of days.

1165
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 3: I think, oh, that's good quote me.

1166
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm just assuming so Gophers who now have two big

1167
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: ten victories, right because they beat Northwestern the road came

1168
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: back in the second half Saturday, it'd be a nice

1169
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: victory for them today.

1170
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 3: That's on the fan.

1171
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: Intriguing rematch the Wolves and Heat with Anthony Edwards in play.

1172
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: He was had been downgraded to questionable. He's now in

1173
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: to start tonight. We don't know how long he'll stay

1174
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: on the bench during timeouts, but we'll see. That'll be

1175
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: on the Timberwolves channel.

1176
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: Speaking of the.

1177
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: Wolves, Mike Conley is scheduled to join tomorrow as well.

1178
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: We'll ask him about if he talked at all to

1179
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards for leaving the court. I'm guessing he did.

1180
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: Glenn Mason is scheduled to join us from Florida. And

1181
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: more Kessler. I mean, we had Bonus Kessler yesterday. He

1182
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: was brilliant. We'll have Kessler back on his regular day

1183
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: tomorrow as well. And I got an apb out, as

1184
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: I said, for Mike Curley, have not heard back from him,

1185
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: which usually means he's you know, he's got like all

1186
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: these all this consulting work he does in some exotic location.

1187
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: Yep, consulting. But for all we know, he's in Venezuela.

1188
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1189
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 4: I had no idea because he's he works in Venezuela. Yeah,

1190
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 4: he's got contacts everywhere.

1191
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: So we'll try to hopefully catch up with him as well,

1192
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: to get caught up on a number of international fronts

1193
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: as well. I had another one other text that I

1194
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: wanted to get to see if I can find it,

1195
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: because we do have a little bit of time. Minnesota

1196
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: Land of ten thousand front. Yes, we know that one.

1197
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: We don't steal it from us. In fact, it was

1198
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: we considered it as the state Fair T shirt this

1199
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: year and ultimately chose not to correct.

1200
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 4: Correct, but we might be able to run it back

1201
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 4: this coming year.

1202
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 3: That's very true. Like it's flowing down, it might be ongoing.

1203
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 3: Correct very very true.

1204
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: Somebody wants us to interview Joe Rogan, which would be

1205
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: I guess an interesting.

1206
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you could get him.

1207
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I don't listen to his podcast

1208
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: a lot. It's one of those where if it's a guest,

1209
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm interested.

1210
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, every day.

1211
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: By the way, did I see that your guy, the

1212
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: New York radio legend now national, what's his name, Starr?

1213
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: Guy Stern just signed a new deal three year contracts.

1214
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: I think three year contract. I'm guessing decent money. You

1215
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: think is he still as popular? I'm as pretty popular.

1216
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: And how popular is the Conan Channel on serious? I

1217
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: think that whatever it's called, does that do well?

1218
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1219
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 4: I think Conan's you know, Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend is.

1220
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: A very popular podcast. Okay, so I assume that runs. Yeah,

1221
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: I haven't listened to it a lot lately. I did

1222
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: for a while.

1223
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 3: Have you ever read the Howard Stern Book on Interviews?

1224
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 4: You know, because he's famous for his interviews that he

1225
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 4: gets people to say things.

1226
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: There's no there's no question, now, there's no question.

1227
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 2: But what bothered me about it is he talked about

1228
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: his preparation for the interviews, and he's got like fifty

1229
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: people that help them, like they do all the research,

1230
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: they printed out fall, they do all these things, and

1231
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: then he kind of like, you'll grind through it and

1232
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: picking show, which is there's still a skill in that. Yeah,

1233
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: but that's not quite the same. I didn't love.

1234
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 3: But that's that's the way. I mean, that's the.

1235
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: Way it is in places. The question would be when

1236
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: he was an up and comer, right, did he have

1237
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: that same yes advantage? Or is that the old You

1238
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: do the work and then you're so in demand that

1239
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: there's you don't even have enough time, So therefore you

1240
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: just get the best people and you lean on them.

1241
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

1242
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 4: I took it personally, I think as as the producer

1243
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 4: of the Braille Conversations podcast.

1244
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I do too.

1245
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: Actually, although again I mean that, I mean, anybody who's

1246
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 2: can go back far enough and see the what's the

1247
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: name of the movie?

1248
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 3: Not network broadcast news. That's the whole bit.

1249
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: In Broadcast News US a book regarding the anchors that

1250
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: the only coherent thoughts are often put in their ear

1251
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: by the producers who don't have the looks or the

1252
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: grace to be in front of the camera, and I

1253
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 2: don't know, is that's what would folks at Fox nine

1254
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: say that's it's still the same thing, or they say

1255
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: it's very different.

1256
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 3: Now they'd say it's very different, very different. They'd have

1257
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: to They wouldn't have a choice, yes, but to say

1258
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: that whether it was actually different or not correct.

1259
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: Former Fox nine people might say something different. Yeah, current

1260
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: ones would go along with this. Very true and maybe

1261
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: the best part of today's show. Some people thought we

1262
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: were gonna have Pat Kessler on again today because you

1263
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: played his music instead of Luigi's music.

1264
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 3: I was rusty today. I'm not gonna lie. I hit

1265
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: a couple of buttons. Was a mess. I thought that

1266
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 3: was you doing a Kessler no bit a sound, but

1267
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 3: that was actually a commercial. I wasn't supposed to be

1268
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 3: at the board. I got to calm down. That's been

1269
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: a while. Thanks for watching, thank you for listening, and

1270
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: we will talk to tomorrow. Three need