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Speaker 2: Ah right, let's uh, let's try to navigate this one today.

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Speaker 2: Tony. Yeah, I don't know how anyone could could go

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Speaker 2: through the sports weekend that was locally here in Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: and not find a need for some comfort food at

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Speaker 2: some point over the weekend. What we're going to try

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Speaker 2: to do is sift through what may very well be

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Speaker 2: austin the worst Cincinnati sports weekend we've ever had.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I was asked this last night. My brother actually sent

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Speaker 2: me a message last night, and you know, he said,

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Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things that the games have

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Speaker 2: ended and I'm still struggling. I'm mad, I'm frustrated. What

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Speaker 2: do we do at this point? Is this the worst

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati sports weekend? And before we get those folks from

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Speaker 2: Xavier that want to say, well, wait a second, Joe

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Speaker 2: Daniman had to point this out as well. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about sports that were held here in the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I will point out Xavier lost a very good game

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Speaker 2: to Georgia over the weekend on Friday night. They bounced

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Speaker 2: back as a pretty big underdog yesterday against West Virginian

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Speaker 2: won that game outright going away. So the Xavier Musketeers

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Speaker 2: are playing much better basketball, and they did hold it

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Speaker 2: down for the city of Cincinnati by getting a win.

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Speaker 2: And I believe what was the Charleston Classic yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: But locally, if we want to take away from the

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Speaker 2: awesomeness that was on display at pay Corps Stadium on

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Speaker 2: Friday night between Elder and st X and SAX storming

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Speaker 2: back and get an amazing win, if we want to

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Speaker 2: take out the awesomeness of high school football at pay

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Speaker 2: Corpse Stadium with over what twenty two thousand people in attendance,

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Speaker 2: What a crappy local weekend in sports. So I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for another weekend in your memory that could top what

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Speaker 2: this weekend was. You know, I've had bad weekends. I've

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Speaker 2: and then I watched Xavier the game after blow a

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Speaker 2: lead and their NCAA tournament hopes both ended in the

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Speaker 2: NCAA Tournament on the same night. That was pretty terrible.

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Speaker 2: I've watched the Jeremy Hill fumble against the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 2: and that was terrible. But I'm talking about everything together.

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Speaker 2: UC falls to Louisville at Heritage Bank Arena on Friday night.

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Speaker 2: UC football falls to BYU and will outline all of

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Speaker 2: the reasons why. But they fall to BYU, essentially ending

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Speaker 2: They did so with three missed field goals, a failed

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Speaker 2: with general ease. They fumbled inside I believe the thirty

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Speaker 2: very poor interception. They the epitome of shooting themselves in

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Speaker 2: Big noon kickoff was fun, the atmosphere at Nippert Stadium

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Speaker 2: was unbelievable. But it all resulted in a loss. And

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Speaker 2: then you turn the page to Sunday. Yes, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: Who's going to carry the light for the city of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: A lot of people would have said FC Cincinnati. And

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Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati was obliterated at TQL Stadium four nil the

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Speaker 2: if not, can you give me other options? And you

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving week by asking people to relive their worst sports

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Speaker 2: be thankful for, we do. I don't know that we

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Speaker 2: know if we're necessarily in that boat. You know, the

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Speaker 2: first thing I thought of when you said that was

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve when the Reds lost to the Giants in

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Speaker 2: the NLDS. That happened on a Thursday. And then that

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Speaker 2: Sunday the Bengals gave up twenty one fourth quarter points

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Speaker 2: to the windless Browns and lost in Cleveland. But those

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine there's been a worse weekend than this

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Speaker 2: when you consider like the national stage that the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati looked awesome, crowd was awesome, energy, hype,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna call them inter MESSI. Yep, they're not Miami,

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Speaker 2: they're inter Messy.

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Speaker 3: Uh. It's just yeah, I don't know that it gets

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Speaker 3: any worse than that now. I mean from a national standpoint,

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Speaker 3: the University of Cincinnati getting criticized because of the chance

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Speaker 3: an added layer to this whole thing that's not not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's a city situation, and you mentioned

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Speaker 2: those chants. It's something that has already been addressed by

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Speaker 2: the athletic director John Cunningham at the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: He just released this just a few minutes ago on

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Speaker 2: behalf of the University of Cincinnati and Bearcat Athletics. I

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Speaker 2: want to serely apologize to the BYU community. In the

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Speaker 2: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, the use

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Speaker 2: of offensive or religiously derogatory language by a group of

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Speaker 2: fans during Saturday's game was unacceptable and does not reflect

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Speaker 2: our values. We remain committed to create an environment at

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Speaker 2: Nippert Stadium where every visiting team and that supporters are

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Speaker 2: I've gone to a lot of UC football games, and

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Speaker 2: for the most part, outside of that, the atmosphere was phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: And I will give credit to BYU fans Austin because

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Speaker 2: I have very rarely seen a opposing fan base travel

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Speaker 2: in which the numbers BYU brought to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I heard.

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Speaker 2: And it's not like a drive, right, you gotta fly

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Speaker 3: Admittedly, you know, I was at a wedding this weekend,

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Speaker 3: so I didn't get to see any sports really on

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Speaker 3: But everything I read in the clips, it was just

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Speaker 2: They filled their fans filled the soccer stadium for a tailcate,

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Speaker 2: no kidding, and like not only like philed it, they

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: They traveled well. Again, it was an awesome environment. A

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Speaker 2: tough loss for UC and we'll talk more about that

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Speaker 2: loss as we get along. It was also a very

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Speaker 2: unique weekend in the National Football League. The Giants have

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Speaker 2: made another coaching change. Shane Bowen is out their defensive

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Speaker 2: ruined the brilliance Austin of Jamis Winston. They ruined more

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Speaker 2: Jamis Winston brilliance magic. Also, get that cannon ready again.

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Speaker 2: The offensive coordinator of the Las Vegas Raiders, Chip Kelly

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Speaker 2: gone gone after a twenty four to ten loss to

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. Yes, Austin, those Cleveland Browns who started

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders and Shador didn't actually look too bad.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Bengals and the Browns have the same record, yep, both.

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Speaker 3: Let that sink in three and eight. Let that sink.

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett has eighteen sacks.

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Speaker 2: Let that sink in.

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Speaker 3: The Browns as a team yesterday against the Raiders had

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Speaker 3: ten sacks. Miles You might understand this, Tony. There's six

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Speaker 3: games left in the season. Yes, so Miles is almost

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Speaker 3: certainly going to destroy the single season record I believe

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Speaker 3: still held by Michael Strahan. Of twenty two sacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure he would love to get it in

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Speaker 3: sixteen games. He might get out of seventeen, he might

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Speaker 3: get to thirty. He's had fourteen sacks in the last

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Speaker 3: five games alone. Yep. I really think you can make

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Speaker 3: the argument that Miles Garrett is the best player. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: in the National Football League. I agree. You know, you

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Speaker 3: I would have a hard time thinking otherwise. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 3: Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, elite edge rushers, Hall of famers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that there's ever been one better than

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Speaker 2: It was the day in the NFL in which some

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Speaker 2: teams flex their muscles. You want to talk about flex

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Speaker 2: and what about the Rams last night? I was impressive. Now,

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, you hate to see it. Left shoulder injuries,

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Speaker 2: gett an MRI today. You hope for the best. It

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Speaker 2: wouldn't matter if Baker was healthy or not last night.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford is playing at an MVP level right now.

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Speaker 2: He's the MVP of the National Football League, I believe. Now,

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Speaker 2: thirty touchdowns and two interceptions. That's pretty good. They flexed

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Speaker 2: their muscles. Yesterday. The Baltimore Ravens, although sloppy, won their

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Speaker 2: some meltdowns for teams. The Giants blow a lead to

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Speaker 2: winning that one a lot on the strength of Jamier Gibbs.

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Speaker 3: By the way, those Giants, congratulations to them, not only

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Speaker 3: for you know, firing Shane Bowen. The Giants are the

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Speaker 3: first team officially eliminated from playoff contention. Okay, the Giants

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Speaker 3: are two to ten, but they are officially eliminated. That

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Speaker 3: means Tony that the Tennessee Titans at one in ten

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Speaker 3: are technically mathematically still alive.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about teams still being alive today as well.

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Speaker 2: In Week thirteen, the college football slay Ohio State continued

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Speaker 2: It's also a good point. That is one of the.

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Speaker 3: Most over hyped, overrated, nonsensical anything's every Lincoln Riley has

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Speaker 3: he's Brian Kelly. Also, we got to make fun of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you want, and I'm not going to speak for

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Speaker 3: he'd never be at LSU. He'd be selling insurance somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Not that there's anything wrong with them, but he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if I've ever the.

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Speaker 3: Way that he acted was. It was just gross.

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Speaker 2: Now, as far as I know, BK still in line

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Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever related. I've ever referred to

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Speaker 3: How early are my Did you start calling your parents

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Speaker 2: Not until I was probably out of college.

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Speaker 3: See, I that was the thing that I did early on.

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Speaker 3: My parents did not like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, free my boy. One, that's your father.

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Speaker 2: Two he's not imprisoned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's.

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Speaker 3: He did say that that he wanted his dad to

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Speaker 2: Use the word merciless, mercifully, mercilessly, mercilessly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is that what happened with Notre Dame in Syracuse? How

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Speaker 3: What happened in that game?

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame led after one thirty five nothing, Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on there. He counted for

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Speaker 3: I don't think there was a lot of brain cells

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh got a big win over Georgia Tech, Texas rolled Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: Are we done with the letter? Are we done with

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Speaker 3: If you go to my Twitter page right now for

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Speaker 3: I have taken all the m's out, taking the m

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Speaker 3: And the reason it's not is Ohio State hasn't earned that.

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Speaker 3: It's not a rivalry right now, Okay, Michigan is kind

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Speaker 3: why should I I feel that. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: There's kind of like this little bit of dread and nervousness,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely real quick out. It's nice to go up there

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Speaker 2: the it's my boy wake up. You see is going

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Speaker 3: I feel about the same way about Ohio State Michigan

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Speaker 3: Technology Tonight.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, I expect to win. I want to win,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's probably not going to be as easy

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling a little dead in thought as well today.

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Speaker 3: Yeh, we all feel.

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Speaker 2: We will take your phone calls along the way. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. I'm here till two. Austin takes over an hour.

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Speaker 2: Three I'm heading to Florence for the Tony and Mo

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Speaker 2: Football Show from three to six. We have your phone calls.

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Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty, your talkbacks,

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Speaker 2: and plenty more, including our reaction to the Cincinnati Bengals loss,

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Speaker 2: which we'll give next on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: Hey Laddie, brought to you by Postman Law on ESPN

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Speaker 5: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's dive in here to a little football

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Speaker 2: in the NATI, shall we, Austin, Let's do it as

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Speaker 2: much as you know, maybe some people might just be

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Speaker 2: over it. At this point, We're going to continue to

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Speaker 2: push on. The Bengals lose yesterday to the New England

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Speaker 2: tend to nothing lead in this one before Hunter Henry, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and the New England Patriots got going a

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Speaker 2: little bit. It was, I thought, Austin a game that

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Speaker 2: and he didn't have Jamar Chase, and at the core

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Speaker 2: of it all, before the game even started, I thought

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Speaker 2: we officially said goodbye and saw the end of the

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Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton air in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, I think that writing's been on

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Speaker 3: the wall for a while.

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Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton not active, and that goes to further hurt them.

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Speaker 2: Late in the game, t Higgins left due to a

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Speaker 2: just it was not going to be an easy game

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Speaker 2: But they did go up ten to nothing before ultimately

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Speaker 2: maybe this is the day because Genostone just did that.

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Speaker 2: well as Austin Hooper who had a nice day as well.

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Speaker 2: But I thought, all in all, for an MVP season

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Speaker 2: the offense struggled in a mighty way. The offense went

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Speaker 2: I wanted to try today at least to find some good.

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Speaker 2: I think the offensive line has improved vastly and I

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Speaker 2: Flacco was not good. That's a game probably yesterday where

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Speaker 2: if Joe Burrow plays, I think the Bengals win that game.

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Speaker 2: And I thought there was a blatant lack of aggressiveness

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Speaker 2: ultimately punted and Ryan Rico punted that ball into the

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Speaker 2: Why not just empty the clip? Why not just go

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Speaker 3: no reason for that. I don't know if he's just

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Speaker 3: back and maybe they can go on a run. But

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Speaker 3: you're going nowhere if you don't win that game and

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Speaker 3: beating a team like New England with those guys out

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Speaker 3: requires aggression and sometimes it requires stepping over that line

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Speaker 3: from aggressive to reckless. And Zach never went past the

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Speaker 3: aggressive line. And there were multiple times where it felt

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Speaker 3: like they had some positive momentum running the ball and

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Speaker 3: he would go away from that mean, most notably that

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Speaker 3: sequence where it was a third and one and then

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Speaker 3: a fourth and one, Chase Brown averaging five and a

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Speaker 3: half almost six yards per carry as a whole, the

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Speaker 3: team averaging over five yards per carry, and instead of

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Speaker 3: running the ball and keeping the drive alive on third

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Speaker 3: and one, Zach Taylor elects to pass Flacco, goes deep

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Speaker 3: down the field, it's incomplete, and then instead of going

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Speaker 3: for it on that fourth and one, they allow for

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Speaker 3: a delay of game penalty and punt the football away

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Speaker 3: with about thirteen minutes left to go and down by

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Speaker 3: a score. I thought that was coaching scared from Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a lack of feel from Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 3: And it's become way too often of a problem. Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor way too frequently kicks the ball away or punts

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Speaker 3: it back to the other team when he should be

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Speaker 3: going for it on fourth downs, it has become an

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Speaker 3: unfortunate part of the Zach Taylor issue, and there are

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Speaker 3: plenty of issues. It's getting the play call in on time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they took one on purpose yesterday, But the Bengals, do

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Speaker 3: you know, lead the National Football League and delay of

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Speaker 3: game penalties. We've talked about them burning timeouts that are

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Speaker 3: pointless in the past. The operation is not clean, the

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Speaker 3: feel is not there, and Zach Taylor, I thought coach

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Speaker 3: scared and there's you're not going to win without your

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Speaker 3: best players. If you're coaching like that.

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Speaker 2: There's a if you follow along with just the world

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Speaker 2: of analytics. The analytics on that play alone are strong

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Speaker 2: recommendation to go for it. So even analytically, that is

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Speaker 2: a situation where you want to go for it. I

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Speaker 2: don't quite understand, and I guess for me, Austin, the

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Speaker 2: biggest takeaway I had and you nailed it on a

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Speaker 2: day where you ran the ball for five point two

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Speaker 2: yards per carry. Joe Flacco was clearly compromised and has

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Speaker 2: been compromised. You still asked him to throw at thirty

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Speaker 2: seven times in a game where you weren't trailing by

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Speaker 2: a large margin at all. Really like it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: you were three scores down and had to panic in

477
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Speaker 2: a band. In the running game, you let it ten

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Speaker 2: to nothing at halftime, it was seventeen thirteen. You're still alive.

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Speaker 2: Going into the fourth quarter it was twenty to three thirteen.

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Speaker 2: You're still more than alive. And yet Joe Flacco throw

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Speaker 2: it thirty seven times. That doesn't make sense from an

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Speaker 2: offensive standpoint, and I thought that was a miss for

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati backus.

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Speaker 3: And especially when you have a quarterback that you know

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Speaker 3: is compromised, yep, and you don't have Jamar Chase there

486
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Speaker 3: for him to throw the ball to. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: make the point, if they have Burrow, they win that game.

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Speaker 3: I think you could say even without Burrow, if they

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Speaker 3: have chased, maybe they win that game. That's how close

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Speaker 3: it was. And in those moments, in those types of games,

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Speaker 3: you cannot, in my opinion, put it on your defense

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Speaker 3: to keep you in the game. And yes, the defense

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Speaker 3: has turned things around to an extent. I think they've

494
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Speaker 3: tackled better. I think they've defended the run better. They're

495
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Speaker 3: still atrocious on third downs and especially third and longs.

496
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Speaker 3: They just give up. It doesn't matter what it is,

497
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Speaker 3: it could be third and seventy five. They'll find a

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Speaker 3: way to give it up. But there are at least

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Speaker 3: signs of improvement. And I hope that Zach Taylor wasn't

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Speaker 3: fooled by that into this, you know, false sense of

501
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Speaker 3: security in belief in his defense and just a rough day.

502
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Speaker 3: I mean, even even when healthy, you kind of need

503
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Speaker 3: everything to go perfect for the Bengals just because of

504
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: the way the roster is constructed. And if you don't

505
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: play complimentary football and you don't have a head coach

506
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Speaker 3: that understands the importance of a specific moment or the

507
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Speaker 3: analytics or the feel or what you're doing well, or

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Speaker 3: the momentum. We've talked about momentum before, We've debated about

509
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Speaker 3: momentum before. I believe fully in momentum, and a coach

510
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Speaker 3: that doesn't understand that is a coach that gives you

511
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Speaker 3: less of a chance to win. And that's an issue.

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Speaker 2: It now opens up what will be conversations this week

513
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Speaker 2: Austin about meaningless wins, first draft positioning with six games

514
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Speaker 2: to play, it'll bring up a conversation this week about

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and do you play Joe Burrow on Thursday

516
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Speaker 2: Night when you're playing out a string of games. I

517
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Speaker 2: know mathematically there's still a chance it is the Ravens

518
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Speaker 2: on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night, Ravens installed already as a

519
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: seven and a half point favor. But those are all

520
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: discussions now that will happen going forward because of another

521
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Speaker 2: Bengal loss where quote they just didn't make the plays

522
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: they needed to make, in a quote that I've heard

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Speaker 2: far too many times after a Cincinnati Bengals loss. Let's

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Speaker 2: take a break. Let's hear from you next five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, the Monday midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 5: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: There have been three attempts in franchise history of sixty plus.

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Speaker 4: Moneymack missed from sixty seven, Doug Telfree missed from sixty three.

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Speaker 4: Shane Graham missed from sixty two. This will be a

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Speaker 4: sixty three yard try as Evan McPherson tries to join

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Speaker 4: the club of NFL kickers who have made kicks from

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Speaker 4: beyond sixty yards. Ryan Rico on the Bengals logo waiting

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Speaker 4: for the snap from Will Wagner. The staff is good.

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Speaker 4: Here comes the kick. Loft it high into the air

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Speaker 4: bag over end kick.

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Speaker 6: Yes good, nice, haven't met. Pherson mates Bengals history with

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Speaker 6: a sixty three yard field goal, four yards longer than

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Speaker 6: the previous longest kick that he shared with Cade York

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Speaker 6: and Cincinnati scores at the gun in the second quarter.

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Speaker 2: To pull within four. How about that? That just goes

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Speaker 2: to show Austin the difference of having the actual kicking

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Speaker 2: ball in the game makes man those it a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago. He was short from like what fifty two?

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Speaker 3: I believe it was fifty four fifty four either way,

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Speaker 3: well within his range.

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Speaker 2: As you can tell, they got the kicking ball right.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to think, what's my favorite moment of

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Speaker 3: this Bengals season. I was a hit because you know

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00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: the what was it, nine plays in a row with

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00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: gold to go yesterday, the Bengals defense made a stand.

553
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that. I was thinking about Evan McPherson,

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Speaker 3: and then I remember, I think my favorite part was

555
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Speaker 3: being at lambeau Field and watching Evan McPherson break the

556
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Speaker 3: NFL record but it didn't count because that's kind of

557
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: like the epitome of the Bengals season. By the way,

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00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: you heard Dan in that call mention Cade York. You

559
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: know Kate York is among a couple of different kickers

560
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Speaker 3: getting a tryout for the New Orleans Saints today. Wow,

561
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Speaker 3: do you know who one of the other kickers is?

562
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Speaker 3: Justin Tucker? Justin Tucker getting a try out with the

563
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Speaker 3: Saints as well, alongside Bengals legend Kady York.

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Speaker 2: All right, then, Cad, who's that call today? Brought to

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Speaker 2: you by that's our friends at Wynn Shoulders. I could

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Speaker 2: think of nothing, Austin, nothing better then Thanksgiving coming up

567
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Speaker 2: this Thursday and showing up or hosting your thanks Giving

568
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Speaker 2: get together, and you got all four fantastic flavors of

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Speaker 2: wind Shoulders right there at the table.

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Speaker 3: You know I packed my lunch today, Yes, and I

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Speaker 3: brought some wind Shoulders.

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Speaker 2: Very good and we have a snaric leader thanks to

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Speaker 2: our friends at wind Shoolers. Let's take a couple of

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Speaker 2: phone calls. What's up, Gunner?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Yeah, we're doing to the Happy Monday guys. First thing,

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Speaker 7: I just just got to give a quick shout out

577
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Speaker 7: to my dad to his birthday this week. Happy Birthday Mark.

578
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Speaker 7: Listen over in Lawrenceburg, Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Hunter, have you ever called your dad your boy.

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Speaker 8: Boy? Did I just call him that?

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Speaker 2: No, that's what That's what Brian kelly Son was calling him.

582
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Speaker 2: So I was just curious.

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Speaker 3: I did see that.

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Speaker 7: I did see that. Well, maybe because my dad and

585
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Speaker 7: I have such an infinity for Brian kelly As and

586
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Speaker 7: Sandy Bear Captain. I think the holiday is really good,

587
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Speaker 7: just his birthday week. We're big fans of your guys show.

588
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 7: Give us something to you know, stay in touch about

589
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 7: constantly even we live you know, different different cities from

590
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 7: each other. So I appreciate you guys as well. And

591
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 7: before I get to the bangals, I got to say often,

592
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Speaker 7: as a lifelong Buckeye, I don't understand the front running.

593
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 7: I know we've lost the last couple of years, but

594
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Speaker 7: were you taking the ant out of your Twitter profile

595
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Speaker 7: when we were winning for twenty plus years in a row.

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Speaker 3: He was no gun I have a standard gunner, and

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Speaker 3: it's not being upheld at the moment by the by

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Speaker 3: the current regime at the Ohio State University. When it

599
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Speaker 3: comes to that game specifically.

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Speaker 7: I get it I get it. I'm I'm I've got

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Speaker 7: some weird superstitions as well. But I think we get

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Speaker 7: done this Saturday quickly. On the Bangalas, you guys hit

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Speaker 7: on most of it already. That that fourth and one call,

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Speaker 7: I mean, if that just isn't a microcosm of Zach

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Speaker 7: Taylor as the head coach of Sincannai bangles just coaching

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Speaker 7: to lose, coaching scared. I don't understand what you're doing.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you're you're three and seven, You're not six

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Speaker 7: and five. Right, we don't have this great defense that's

609
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 7: been stopping people all year. It was I had to

610
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 7: put my mortgage. I had to put my mortgage on

611
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Speaker 7: the on the Patriot schooling there and score and field

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Speaker 7: goal or a touchdown. But you guys hit on that.

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Speaker 7: I just I can't see this guy as the coach anymore.

614
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 7: I've been that way a few years. Something's got to change.

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00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 7: Something's got a you know, heads of guy to turn.

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Speaker 7: They've got to get him out of here. And I'll

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Speaker 7: leave you with this last thing. You know, I thought

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Speaker 7: the offensive play calling in the first half was really creative. Right,

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Speaker 7: we're missing guys. Black was a little hurt a lot

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Speaker 7: of motion, a lot of creative stuff, a lot of

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Speaker 7: running the football. Didn't see that in the second half.

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Speaker 7: I don't know. I just you know, you're at a

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Speaker 7: loss for words when you see that kind of stuff

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Speaker 7: with him, and it's it's week over week, season overseas,

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00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 7: season overseason with him. So I'll leave you with that. Guys,

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Speaker 7: have a happy, happy holiday, spend time with your family,

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Speaker 7: and look forward to hearing from you when we get back.

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Speaker 2: Gunnar, thank you for the call, man, and happy birthday

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Speaker 2: to your father. We appreciate that. How about that at

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Speaker 2: the Gunner, It is true, though, you know you've had

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Speaker 2: for the season the worst statistical defense in the history

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Speaker 2: of the NFL. YEP, You're not gonna win games with

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Speaker 2: field goals. You're not gonna win games with field position.

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Speaker 2: You're also playing at a three and seven mark. Just

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Speaker 2: be aggressive, and you've ran the ball for all five

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Speaker 2: yards of carry, Go for it and make a statement.

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Speaker 3: And Flacco was not good, correct, he wasn't good last week,

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Speaker 3: He's not good this week. I mean, the guy barely

639
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Speaker 3: took any reps. You don't know how many chances you're

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Speaker 3: gonna get. Yeah, go make the most of it. I

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Speaker 3: just I can't. I can't wrap my head around it

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Speaker 3: at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am one with you. What's up, Mike? How

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 8: Guys? Hey Donnard, that was a good call.

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 8: I never heard you on air before, but I thought

649
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Speaker 8: that was a very very pogent. Yeah. I like he

650
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 8: was very organized and made a lot of sense. My dad,

651
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Speaker 8: who died when he was sixty three, his birthday is tomorrow,

652
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Speaker 8: and so I always commemorate that he was a Cincinnati

653
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Speaker 8: firefighter for a long time. Yeah, the smoke inhalation ended

654
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Speaker 8: up killing him from the for his heart and stuff.

655
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Speaker 8: But anyway, my dad's birthday, he would have been ninety

656
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Speaker 8: nine years old. Wow. Wow, Taylor's gotta go, guys. I mean,

657
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Speaker 8: come on, let's quit crapping around here. I don't know

658
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Speaker 8: what these guys are thinking about, but I will say

659
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Speaker 8: Jase is doing so well running the ball, and the

660
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 8: old line is getting better than the run, aren't they?

661
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Speaker 2: Really? They were doing everything you wanted to from an

662
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Speaker 2: offensive line. Yesterday. They gave up one sack and you

663
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: were running the ball for over five yards of carry

664
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Speaker 2: and you go away from it. I just, for the

665
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Speaker 2: life of me, I can't understand it and you go

666
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Speaker 2: away from it without Joe Burrow and without Jamar chasing

667
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Speaker 2: the game as well. Why you're passing the ball there

668
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Speaker 2: if you're not setting up to go for it and

669
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Speaker 2: run the ball and fourth down I'll never understand.

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Speaker 8: And then you get your boy Higgins dinged up. Yep.

671
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Speaker 8: I mean that's a big price to pay on top

672
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Speaker 8: everything else. But let's just say it right now, the

673
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Speaker 8: Rams categorically are the best team in the NFL right now.

674
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Speaker 8: I don't know how they will be, but for now

675
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Speaker 8: they are the best team. I mean, they smacked a

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Speaker 8: snot out of Tampa yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt they You cannot go against it

678
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Speaker 2: right now. That was one of the most impressive football

679
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Speaker 2: games I've watched from start to finish all year.

680
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Speaker 8: And in less Sneid, theyre GM the combination of Sneid

681
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Speaker 8: and McVeigh. They've surpassed Andy Reid now and they are

682
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Speaker 8: or whoever his GM is in my opinion, because they

683
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 8: drafted Verse and Fisk Brandon Fisk both out of FSU

684
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Speaker 8: last year on the same defensive line, and then they

685
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Speaker 8: come up with Forbes. I don't even know where they

686
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 8: pulled him out of but that guy can play some

687
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Speaker 8: serious cornerback, can't he.

688
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Speaker 3: There's a first round pick of the Washington Commanders a

689
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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and they cut bait with him,

690
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Speaker 3: and I remember we had conversations on this show about

691
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Speaker 3: the Bengals go after him. Yep, and you know he

692
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Speaker 3: is really really turned it around in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you guys did say that. Well, you guys are clairvoyant. Man.

694
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Speaker 8: That's pretty good. That's really pretty damn good. You know,

695
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Speaker 8: my favorite party yesterday, I have to admit, for the

696
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Speaker 8: first time I didn't listen to Dan Horden laughed, Shame

697
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Speaker 8: on me. But when I found out Marvin was calling

698
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Speaker 8: the game because I picked him up on a game

699
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Speaker 8: earlier in the year, and I loved listening to Marvin sure,

700
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Speaker 8: and because he has so much knowledge and the play

701
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 8: by play guy was great because it was a network thing.

702
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 8: I was on the radio and Marvin two times he

703
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 8: got so irritated with the Bengals. It was because, you know,

704
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 8: he's kind of a monotone guy, but he actually had

705
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Speaker 8: some vim and vigor in his in his speech pattern

706
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 8: during his comments on two issues. One was towards the

707
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Speaker 8: end of the game instead of calling a time out.

708
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 8: He goes, why guys rushed to the ball, rush to

709
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 8: the ball and didn't clock it or make them play

710
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 8: or something, but don't use your last time out. That

711
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 8: just pissed him off. And then then he said the

712
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Speaker 8: thing that really just got his goat, and he said,

713
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Speaker 8: if I was a coach, this would never have happened.

714
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Speaker 8: The DB's and the safeties don't turn their heads around,

715
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Speaker 8: and that is what's killing this secondary. Yeah, all you

716
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 8: guys agree.

717
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all valid, All valid. They were penalized as well,

718
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Speaker 2: six times for sixty five yards yesterday. So it just

719
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Speaker 2: they they don't do it. It's it's almost a similar

720
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Speaker 2: conversation I can have about the Bearcats as well. They

721
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Speaker 2: just they don't do the small things that teams with

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Speaker 2: a small margin of ara have to get done.

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Speaker 8: So you got yeah, I mean not even having ever

724
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Speaker 8: been a d bat DD, but I how can you

725
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Speaker 8: play somebody if you don't have some idea where the

726
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Speaker 8: ball is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, it's fair.

729
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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, and it's it's a thing that's talked

731
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Speaker 3: about lot when it comes to evaluating the talent or

732
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Speaker 3: scouting the talent of some of these young defensive backs

733
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Speaker 3: is their ball skills, their ability to track the ball,

734
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Speaker 3: they're able to find it in the air, to go

735
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Speaker 3: after it, to you know, get their hand in front

736
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Speaker 3: of it. I've said for a couple of years now,

737
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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's a very well coached unit.

738
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Speaker 3: And I was surprised that Charles Burk's and Jordan Kovacs

739
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: stuck around. They were here in the Luanna Rumo era

740
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Speaker 3: for the last couple of years and they're still here

741
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Speaker 3: with Al Golden and that group really hasn't taken strides

742
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Speaker 3: forward at all. I mean, DJ Turner maybe is the exception,

743
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Speaker 3: and even then teams are starting to throw away from him,

744
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Speaker 3: so we don't see him as much. But I mean

745
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Speaker 3: Cam Taylor Britt that hasn't worked, Dax Hill that hasn't worked,

746
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Speaker 3: Jordan Battle hasn't worked, Genostone hasn't worked. I mean, there's

747
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: a long list of cornerbacks that just haven't worked out here,

748
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Speaker 3: and safeties for.

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Speaker 8: That well, I appreciate you. It's fining that to me. Awesome,

750
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Speaker 8: give me a historical back. But you know, okay, so

751
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 8: if you take your eye off the ball for a

752
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 8: second as a DD to find the ball, you can still.

753
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 8: Usually those guys are pretty fast, right, they can catch

754
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 8: up the stride or too. Maybe that they lost to

755
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 8: the guy right, But I just don't know how you

756
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 8: played that position without telling where the ball is.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, I appreciate it, and Tony, you could correct

758
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong here. But I think a lot

759
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: of times now guys are taught to watch the eyes

760
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: of the hands of the receiver. That's why receivers you

761
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: hear them often talk about late hands.

762
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Speaker 8: Yep.

763
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Speaker 3: They don't want to show where the ball is or

764
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: where it's going until the very last second. I think

765
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Speaker 3: the best in the NFL at this is Devonte Adams.

766
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Speaker 3: He showed that last night, that one where he had

767
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: half a step on a guy yep, and waited as

768
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 3: long as he could, and you see the defenders watching

769
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Speaker 3: his hands and puts his hand out there as soon

770
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: as DeVante starts to move his hands, but it was

771
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: too late. Like that is you know, the way they're

772
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 3: taught these days, especially if you get beat, find their hands,

773
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Speaker 3: find their eyes.

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Speaker 2: One of the sobering thoughts I had last night watching them,

775
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: who are now ahead of the Eagles as Super Bowl favorites.

776
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Speaker 2: One of the things. I thought. I went back to

777
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl Loston, and I thought, and I mentioned

778
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: this to Mo yesterday, if you're walking out of that

779
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and you're thinking, Okay, five years from now,

780
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: four years from now, the Bengals may have lost tonight,

781
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: but they're going to be in better shape than the Rams,

782
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: because at that time, do you remember, the Rams had

783
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 2: seemingly gone all in. They were all in for a title,

784
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: They had no draft picks, they were paying guys a

785
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: lot of money. Aaron Donald has since retired, and yet

786
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: as we sit here on November twenty fourth, the Rams

787
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: are right back in it and the Bengals, albeit with

788
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, are nowhere near getting back

789
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: to that level Ram. It is sobering that they have

790
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: run circles around the Bengals.

791
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: Hit on the late round draft picks that they've had, yep.

792
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 3: And they've also done a terrific job with undrafted free agents.

793
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: That's been a huge part of their success. Like they've

794
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: they've supplemented the roster a little bit with free agents,

795
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: and you know, every team does very specific role player

796
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: type of guys. But they've hit, but they've hit on

797
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: late round picks that have turned into depth pieces that

798
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: have turned into development pieces, and they've kind of hit

799
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 3: that cycle over and over again, and they've hit on

800
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: undrafted free agents.

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00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

802
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: Now, I will say this, the Bengals do have a

803
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: history of at least being able to have some undrafted

804
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: free agents and success. I mean, Vontes Berfect is no

805
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: better example than that. And I think we've seen a

806
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: little bit of that, but not nearly as much as

807
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: there needs to be.

808
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: And they just play like there was The point was

809
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: made last night, like everyone that dresses for the Rams

810
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: is expected to play a big role in the game.

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Speaker 2: They rotate guys in, they give you a bunch of

812
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: different looks. And I've said it a thousand times. Their

813
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: personnel just matches their scheme and what they want to do.

814
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Speaker 2: With Sean McVay, we'll take a break. We wrap up

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Speaker 2: our number one. When we get back, we'll get down

816
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Speaker 2: number two. We'll open it up for more phone calls.

817
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Speaker 2: We got more on the Bengals. We got to talk

818
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Speaker 2: about the Bearcats as well. Today the Monday Midday Quarterback

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Speaker 2: these losses weren't as hard Austin when the Bearcats had

822
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Speaker 2: won their seven games in a row because you just

823
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Speaker 2: were able to talk about a win for the Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: Now the Bearcats have lost three games in a row

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Speaker 2: that are underdogs on the road at TCU. Unfortunately, going

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Speaker 2: to take a few minutes when we get back to

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Speaker 2: talk about another failed opportunity in Clifton on Saturday. We'll

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Speaker 2: do that when we get back.

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Speaker 3: We've got more.

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Speaker 2: Nip and night was so cool.

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Speaker 3: That was cool, though.

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Speaker 2: We've got more on the Bengals and your phone calls

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