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Speaker 1: Then from the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep

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Speaker 1: woods of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to

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Speaker 1: the whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning

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Speaker 1: Fan Outdoors, your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics

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Speaker 1: and conversations. You can also send us a question or

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Speaker 1: opinion by emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's

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Speaker 1: your host, the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebraham.

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Speaker 2: Fifty seconds after the hour of six a m. And

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Speaker 2: I picked the wrong chair because I'm sinking. Sorry, it's

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Speaker 2: an inside joke, but I'll fix that up in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, faithful, Yes, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: A couple of days after Christmas, so it is in

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Speaker 2: our rearview mirror, and the days are getting longer. And

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Speaker 2: I just got a blurb on my phone that there's

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Speaker 2: a potential tomorrow this evening and tomorrow for snow accumulating

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Speaker 2: five to eight inches and a chance of some freezing rain.

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Speaker 2: A hippy yahoo, and good for us? Uh how about that?

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Speaker 2: But we are going to take you someplace right now

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Speaker 2: that is good for us, because he is a man

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Speaker 2: right here. We've talked to a number of times before,

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Speaker 2: and I am a frequent visitor of his when it

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Speaker 2: comes to open water time. And mister Denny Fletcher of

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Speaker 2: Fletcher's Bait and Tackle, with people and their noses pressed

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Speaker 2: against the window waiting for him, is waiting for us.

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Speaker 2: So we will do that right now and welcome Denny

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Speaker 2: into the conversation. Good morning, my friend, Good morning Belle

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Speaker 2: well Is. First of all, you've got winter up there, obviously,

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Speaker 2: have you got ice? That's good ice still.

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Speaker 3: We are in really good shape ice wise. I didn't

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Speaker 3: like to hear that five to eight inch snow forecast,

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Speaker 3: so we really don't need that right now. But the

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Speaker 3: ice right now, yesterday, we have many reports on Sock Lake.

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Speaker 3: It'll take this lake of a foot of ice.

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Speaker 2: Oh my good, look.

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Speaker 3: At between eleven and twelve inches. And yes, they are

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Speaker 3: driving full sized vehicles out there. I'm not advocating that yet. No,

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Speaker 3: I would like to see fourteen inches before they drive.

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Speaker 3: But people are just chopping at the midden to get

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Speaker 3: driving on But four x fours and four wheelers would

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Speaker 3: be probably a better idea for a few more days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, Denny, are people catching fish?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know my grandson Hunt, my grandson Noah, he

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Speaker 3: was out tonight for last Yeah. He went at three

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Speaker 3: He said, Pop, I got my limit. You want a couple.

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Speaker 3: I said, you can't be done already. He came into

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Speaker 3: the bait shop. He had six walleys between eighteen and

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Speaker 4: Where'd you go?

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Speaker 3: He said, I'm not going to tell you. He said,

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Speaker 3: I was on Sock Lake. I was an eight feet

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Speaker 3: said it was just marvelous. So and him and Hunter

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Speaker 3: been out a couple times and they've been doing very good.

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Speaker 3: So and I have a lot of other reports. Sock

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Speaker 3: Lake Walley bite is really really good right now, and

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Speaker 3: so is Lake Osakis, as is Lake Renals. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Walley bite is on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And what's the bait of choice, Deddy.

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Speaker 3: We've been selling a lot of shiners, and we've also

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Speaker 3: been selling probably the most rosy red fat heads I've

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Speaker 3: is we got a lot of people that buy basure

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Speaker 3: that go up to Red Lake which has been on

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Speaker 3: brassy shiners and the rainbows because they work were really

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Speaker 3: well up there. But Lake Reno and SoC Lake, the

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Speaker 3: Shiners is without a doubt my number one cellar.

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Speaker 2: Okay with when that's with that being the case, Denny,

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Speaker 2: and you told me there was no snow on the

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Speaker 2: ice whatsoever was clear and clean, and that doesn't that

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Speaker 3: Through it, It absolutely does. Photosynthesis keeps going on as

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Speaker 3: long as that you don't get accumulation of a lot

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Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like it's going to but if that

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Speaker 3: So we'll have to see what happens going forward here.

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Speaker 2: I just saw that was no inches, my friend, but

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Speaker 2: that's just me. I'm yeah, are they pull are they

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was real yesterday. We had a steady stream

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Speaker 3: Spell between Chris us in New Year's if the ice

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a fun thing for people to get

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Speaker 2: out to, Danny. And so there are so many lakes

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Speaker 3: We have a crappie bite out here on Lily Lake

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Speaker 3: The crappee bite is excellent. But if anybody wants to

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Speaker 3: sunfish and oh Lake Osaka sunfish have been have been

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Speaker 2: People don't know where some of these lakes and places

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Speaker 3: You bet you we've got we've got a little local

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Speaker 2: Are people waiting for you. Yes, okay, I'll let you go,

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Speaker 2: much to my Yeah, I just soon't stay and talk.

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Speaker 3: You met good luck fishing folks.

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Speaker 2: That's Denny Fletcher a Fletcher's Bait and Tackle. And you

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Speaker 2: know of him because I spend an awful lot of

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Speaker 2: But as he mentioned, he wouldn't recommend driving full size

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Speaker 2: In fact, there was a gentleman or somebody up in

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Speaker 2: yesterday or last week. Yesterday or last week. I'm not

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Speaker 2: But if you want to get out and have a

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Speaker 2: wonderful time too. I highly recommend it. It's a fantastic

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Speaker 2: goodness gracious, it's hard to beat sunfish through the ice.

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Speaker 2: And I remember when I was a youngster, and when

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Speaker 2: And he was almost like an old guy sitting on

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Speaker 2: open the cover and slide the fish in Old guys

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Speaker 2: People saw him catch fish, and they kept moving closer

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Speaker 2: it's cheap. It's really cheap to get out and have

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Speaker 2: a good time on the ice. So we will keep

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Speaker 2: keep talking fishing a little bit with Tommy George. See

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Speaker 2: top of it. Has you seen him Mermaid lately? I

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Speaker 2: don't know. We'll ask him right after this. We'll be

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Speaker 2: right back sixteen minutes after the hour of six am.

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Speaker 2: Now I have to move the microphone up because I

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Speaker 2: got a different share. Yes, could be worse. It could

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Speaker 2: be snowing in here, and it's not snowing outside yet,

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Speaker 2: but it is a dark and it will continue to

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Speaker 2: be dark, oh till about probably around seven point fifteen

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Speaker 2: ish seven point thirty. Let's walk come into the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest. That's easy for my mouth, say mister

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Speaker 2: right now. Good morning, sir.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Billy. Uh, I hope your Christmas is fun

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Speaker 4: and uh everything everything is is working. I wish it

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Speaker 4: was what Getny Fletcher is talking about here, but Billy,

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Speaker 4: it's it's not always that fun. I mean, it's, uh,

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Speaker 4: it's fun to try, but I've been a couple of

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing well at all. You know, the lake

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Speaker 4: that i'm fishing is safe to walk. I'm not driving

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Speaker 4: yet even my four wheeler yet. Yeah, I like I

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Speaker 4: like a foot of ice for everything. They say they

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Speaker 4: say there's a guide, you know, at eight to ten

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Speaker 4: it's way too hard to walk on that on that

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of different cleats out there, different styles

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Speaker 4: That makes it too tough to even put that on,

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Speaker 4: the simple fact that, like we said, there's no snow

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Speaker 4: They can see things a lot better than ices and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm not complaining.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm just thankful that everything is working good. I

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Speaker 4: Now that you said we're going to get that snow,

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Speaker 2: Tommy. I've always thought that when you get clear ice

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Speaker 2: and I've wondered why you couldn't take and I've said

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Billy, you're you're one of my friends Roger Skibaloum

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Speaker 4: who was pastoring now, but he would do that. He'd

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Speaker 4: and that's kind of a It sends a nice shadow

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Speaker 4: put that down and all that stuff. I'm more of

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Speaker 4: looking around and we would all all site fished. And

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Speaker 4: like you said, Billy, that's a very good idea. Put

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Speaker 4: to come. And that's a security it's almost like a

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Speaker 4: many two times that if you throw a bobera in

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Speaker 5: If you fish on that in.

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Speaker 4: That shade where that it's it's just darker than normal,

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Speaker 4: It's like you said, more of a security thing. For

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Speaker 4: You need patience to do good. And I'm there now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, and that's one of the things, Tommy,

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Speaker 2: always fish trees. But I'm I'm curious sometimes why people

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Speaker 4: Yes, I believe, I go along with chair. I've done that.

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Speaker 6: I fished.

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Speaker 4: I fished some stump fields and you have to fish

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Speaker 4: But it's it's kind of fun to see what's happening

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 2: At one point, Tommy, we had one of our guests

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Speaker 4: On exactly bid there's a fish will use alleys.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like a deer deer path or trail. Yep,

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Speaker 4: But there is situations like that too that really change

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Speaker 4: And I just gotta set still in some of these

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Speaker 4: fish feed all day, and not all day, but certain

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Speaker 4: it's it seems like it turns on at a certain time,

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Speaker 2: The the other thing is with fishing, fish don't always

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Speaker 4: Are exactly, Billy. That's that's called a reflex bite. And

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Speaker 2: So yeah, tellmy I are you going to Are you

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Speaker 2: going back out to fish sometime soon?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know today is so warm and wet, I'm still

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Speaker 4: the fish house, and that that's to me, that that works.

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Speaker 4: So I'll just go out there and see if I

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Speaker 4: Wilson yesterday and I was asking how he's doing, and

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Speaker 4: he lives over here in Wisconsin, and he said, his

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Speaker 4: son Max is founding the big sturgeon. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: should see the size of these sturgeon these kids are catching.

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Speaker 4: My god, it's just amazing right now. But you know, Billy,

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Speaker 4: I truly like the fish that I like to eat.

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Speaker 4: A fish for the fish I like to eat the

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Speaker 4: way you should say, and so that's why I'm a

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Speaker 4: pan fisherman, especially in the winter, because they're so plentiful

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Speaker 4: and they taste better than anything.

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Speaker 2: So I agree.

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Speaker 5: Good luck to.

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Speaker 4: Bruce and his kids. And he's still going to do

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Speaker 4: some hunting, I guess for deer, but we'll see what

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Speaker 4: happens there.

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Speaker 2: Well. The pheasant season is open until the fourth of January,

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Speaker 2: so that too, ladies and gentlemen, is a good good

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Speaker 2: time to go. Just be quiet when you do. Tommy

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Speaker 2: will let you go, buddy, have a good I'm and

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Speaker 2: good luck and do let me know because I'm curious.

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Speaker 4: But okay, thanks Billy, and happy New Year for all

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Speaker 4: you guys, and have a fabulous new year. And as

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Speaker 4: like everybody else, be safe out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks Tommy. That's uh yeah, You've got to

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Speaker 2: be safe out there, use your lou use common sense

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Speaker 2: and you'll stay on top of the ice. That really

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Speaker 2: makes a difference. But just like Tommy, I am not

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Speaker 2: driving on it for a while, and nope, I need

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Speaker 2: some more ice under me. And it's just because it's

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Speaker 2: frozen doesn't mean all over is the same depth too.

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Speaker 2: There are things that change that We'll take a pause

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Speaker 2: and be back with mister Stan Tokila. And I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to our conversation because it's always fun and I

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Speaker 2: always learn something. We'll be right back. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Fan Outdoors now by author, naturalist and photographer Stan Tequila.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's in Minnesota, Alaska, or Africa, he's always in

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Speaker 2: search of all things wild and natural. He may even

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Speaker 2: know more about animals than they do themselves. And you

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Speaker 2: thought the cat knew the outdoors. Here's fan favorite Stan

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Speaker 2: Tequila on Fan Outdoors.

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Speaker 5: Stan.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, good morning.

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Speaker 5: How are you.

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Speaker 7: I'm doing good sitting at the computer trying to edit

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Speaker 7: about fifty thousand images done to a manageable size. Oh, Costa, Rica, Costa, Rica,

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Speaker 7: cost Rica.

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Speaker 2: What what do you look for in as far as

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Speaker 2: the composition and that of the pictures that you keep.

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Speaker 7: Well, eye contact is probably one of one of the

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Speaker 7: top of sharpness is that's crucial, probably number one. But

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Speaker 7: although there's many, you know, because you do purposeful things

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Speaker 7: like pan blurs, you do different types of techniques in

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Speaker 7: the camera in which you can you know, create some

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Speaker 7: kind of you know, expressive image. So it's not always

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Speaker 7: the sharpness. But for you know, normal stuff as sharpness

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Speaker 7: have to have eye contact and the eye has to

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Speaker 7: be sharp because if you get the tail sharp, the

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Speaker 7: eyes not, well, that doesn't work, you know again, unless

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Speaker 7: it's some kind of you know, interesting type of I

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Speaker 7: don't know what you'd want to call it, artsy type

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Speaker 7: of image, but that and then from there you have

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Speaker 7: to kind of look for all the other details. I

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Speaker 7: wasn't joking, it's I came back with about really close

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Speaker 7: to fifty thousand images, which is a fair amount. But

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Speaker 7: the problem with cameras these days is that my camera

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Speaker 7: shoots thirty pictures per second, so it's easy to rack

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Speaker 7: up a lot of images very quickly.

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Speaker 2: At thirty frames a second. It's like wow.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, most standard video is thirty frames

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Speaker 7: per second. So I'm taking but I'm taking pictures at

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Speaker 7: thirty frames a second, so it adds up very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Can you put those together into a video or can

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Speaker 2: you take a video apart frame by frame to.

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Speaker 7: Use you cannot put the well, I suppose there's some

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Speaker 7: software that you can use to put four or five

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Speaker 7: frames together to make a gift or jiff or however

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Speaker 7: you pronounce it right, and or you can take a

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Speaker 7: single still frame out of a video if it's high

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Speaker 7: enough quality. Oh yeah, but that's a little tricky to

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Speaker 7: do that, it really is. I mean, you can get

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Speaker 7: a low, low quality, you know, picture out of it

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Speaker 7: of the video, but to get a high quality, usable

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Speaker 7: image out of the videos oftentimes takes a little bit

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Speaker 7: of skill.

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Speaker 2: Well, I remember when I was in school, when I

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Speaker 2: was teaching, I taught photography. But those are in the

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Speaker 2: days stand Oh yeah, film, Yeah, I know all about it,

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Speaker 2: and that's a that's a totally different animal.

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Speaker 7: But wow, yeah, you have no idea how different it

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Speaker 7: is because I started also in film, you know, and

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Speaker 7: I shot the first part of my career, you know,

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Speaker 7: in film, and film was you know, I always say

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Speaker 7: that during the film days, you actually had to know

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Speaker 7: what you were doing. You couldn't just wing it like

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Speaker 7: you do with digital, you know. And it was such

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Speaker 7: a massive change from film to digital. I switched in

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Speaker 7: the year two thousand, so from ninety nine to two thousand,

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Speaker 7: switched over. And fortunately what I'm a cannon shooter, always

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Speaker 7: have and probably always will be. And they did it

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Speaker 7: really well in that all the buttons were in the

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Speaker 7: same spot. Everything was you know, the ergonomics were exactly

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Speaker 7: the same. They just took out the film and put

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Speaker 7: in a digital sensor and that made it pretty easy

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Speaker 7: to switch over. It was the after you took the picture,

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Speaker 7: the post processing, the file management, all that stuff that

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Speaker 7: was all new and all like, holy Macro, how do

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Speaker 7: you do this?

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Speaker 2: And then, you know, we had about a twenty year

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Speaker 2: time in which not you know, not much change the

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Speaker 2: digital imaging.

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Speaker 7: You know, the DSLRs were pretty you know, we had

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Speaker 7: these tiny incremental changes at little you know, increase in

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Speaker 7: megapixels or an increase in frame rate or whatever it

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Speaker 7: might be, right up until twenty twenty. So we had

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Speaker 7: twenty years of you know, from twenty to twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: we had these small changes. But in twenty twenty they

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Speaker 7: came out with the mirrorless these mirrorless cameras. And the

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Speaker 7: reason why they're called mirrorless is because with a DSLR

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Speaker 7: or an SLR, SLR stands for a single lens reflex

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Speaker 7: and what happens is the light comes through the lens,

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Speaker 7: hits a mirror, and it is reflected up into an

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Speaker 7: eyepiece that you can see so that you can see it.

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Speaker 7: It's bending the image basically so you can see it

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Speaker 7: through a viewfinder.

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Speaker 6: And with the.

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Speaker 7: Mirrorless, they took out the mirror, hence the name mirrorless,

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Speaker 7: and the image goes through the lens right onto the

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Speaker 7: sensor and then but what you're looking at with these

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Speaker 7: mirrorless cameras now, when you look through the eyepiece, that

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Speaker 7: little viewfinder, you're actually looking at a mini screen nine

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Speaker 7: thousand excuse me, yeah, I said nine thousand pixel screen,

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Speaker 7: so it's very sharp, but you're still looking at a screen,

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Speaker 7: so you're not actually looking through the lens anymore. And

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Speaker 7: that has changed everything because this mirrors out of the way,

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Speaker 7: which was a mechanical mirror, so it'd have to lift

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Speaker 7: up then the then the shutter would have to open,

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Speaker 7: and then it would have to expose the sensor. Well,

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Speaker 7: And that's why these cameras now are completely silent. You know,

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Speaker 7: there's you don't know if you're even taking a picture

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Speaker 7: unless you can you know, looking through there, you can

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Speaker 7: see a little flashing light that you're taking a picture,

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Speaker 7: and you're taking thirty pictures per second. Some of my

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Speaker 7: cameras are forty pictures per second, which is insane, and

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Speaker 7: you have to be And then if you put pre

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Speaker 7: capture on. Precapture is this thing where you hold the

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Speaker 7: shutter button down halfway. You're uh, you know, focused on

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Speaker 7: on a bird, ready for it to take off, and

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Speaker 7: you know it takes off and you know our human

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Speaker 7: reflexes are just not fast enough, so you know, you

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Speaker 7: try to catch it as it's taking off, but you can't.

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Speaker 7: But when you turn on pre capture, what it does.

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Speaker 7: It'll go back in time a half a second, which

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Speaker 7: oka thirty frames a second. That's fifteen frames. It'll go

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Speaker 7: back in time a half a second before the bird

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Speaker 7: took off and start storing those images. So now you've

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Speaker 7: got thirty frames a second plus the fifteen and if

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Speaker 7: you hold it down for two seconds, you're looking at

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Speaker 7: you know, sixty five images or seventy five images right there,

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Speaker 7: just in a two second type of thing.

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Speaker 2: So then then you have to sit and edit all

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Speaker 2: those things, and it is wow, you're boggling my mind.

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Speaker 7: Then it's so much some of the cameras now and

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Speaker 7: there's interesting things, and this is all taken with raw

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Speaker 7: images too. Raw is like a it's a file format

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Speaker 7: that where it collects the most amount of information and

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Speaker 7: when you process that image, you have the most information

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Speaker 7: to work with, you know, the latest greatest information to

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Speaker 7: work with it, and you can, you know, really make

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Speaker 7: your images look even more so because some of the cameras,

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Speaker 7: like some of them will have in a jpeg for Matt,

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Speaker 7: they'll shoot about one hundred and twenty five pictures per second,

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Speaker 7: which like holy mackerel, that is that would be considered

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Speaker 7: slow motion in video world.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Oh, Dan, I know, all right, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: to it. Well, and I think it's probably worthwhile for

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Speaker 2: people to hear that too, because I think we take

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Speaker 2: so many things for granted, and we've talked to you

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Speaker 2: and I have talked about that a number of times.

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Speaker 2: What we do for take for granted. Yeah, the mechanical

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Speaker 2: things that go into all these of all this stuff

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Speaker 2: is incredible when you start thinking about it. You're telling

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Speaker 2: me about alla frames and it's doing this and as

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Speaker 2: I got, oh, Hildebrand near mind is not ready here.

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Speaker 2: I just I'm having trouble. It's not. The technology is

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Speaker 2: absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 7: The now the auto focus systems now when I started

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Speaker 7: in film days, it was manual focus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think back on that.

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Speaker 7: I was talking to my good friend Dudley Edminson the

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Speaker 7: other day and he and I go back forty years

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Speaker 7: doing this together. And we used to photograph hawks in

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Speaker 7: flight up at Hawkridge, and you know, back in the

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Speaker 7: day with a film camera, which was, you know, with

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Speaker 7: manual focus. These birds were flying by at fifty sixty

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Speaker 7: miles per hour and you know, they'd be kind of

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Speaker 7: zooming in and we're trying to capture these images with

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Speaker 7: manual focus with a film camera, which would, by the way,

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Speaker 7: only three pictures per second, and actual, actual pictures, pictures

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Speaker 7: you know, on the film and we're thinking, holy mackerel,

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Speaker 7: how did we do that?

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Speaker 2: You know, both of us were like, is that even possible?

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Speaker 2: You know, but we did it, so it was. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's quite a quite an advancement.

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Speaker 7: Now, by the way, the auto focused systems on these

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Speaker 7: things are insane, especially on these mirrorless cameras, because nowadays,

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Speaker 7: as I lift my camera up and if I'm pointed,

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Speaker 7: if I've got the camera and lens pointed right at

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Speaker 7: the animal, by the time I get that camera all

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Speaker 7: the way to my eye to look through that EVF,

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Speaker 7: that electronic viewfinder. It's already the camera has already focused

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Speaker 7: on the eye of the animal. You can see a

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Speaker 7: white box around the eye. I haven't even got my

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Speaker 7: eye to the viewfinder yet, and it's on there. All

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Speaker 7: I have to do is tap the focused button. When

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Speaker 7: it turns from white to blue, I know that it's

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Speaker 7: completely you know, locked in and focused, and I can

649
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Speaker 7: start shooting.

650
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 6: Wow.

651
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: So it does it all for you these days.

652
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 7: So maybe maybe the cautionary table there tail there is

653
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 7: when you see an amazing image, it's not so much

654
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 7: the photographer anymore, you know, because the the technology that's available,

655
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 7: you can be you know, average person type of thing,

656
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 7: and you're still going to be capturing sharp images with

657
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 7: the focus on the eye, so on and so forth.

658
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: And so maybe maybe temporary you're.

659
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 7: Oh, my gosh, there's such an amazing photographer with the

660
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 7: knowledge that the equipment is wow, pretty amazing.

661
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: These days, Well, you're taking all the mystic, mystical part

662
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: away from it. It's not just always the photographer, and

663
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: I always thought it.

664
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 7: Was, Yeah, it always well, you know, in a certain

665
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 7: sense it is, because there's composition and then it's really

666
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 7: depends on your computer skills because the post processing, excuse me,

667
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 7: the pro post processing for these.

668
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: Images is everything, absolutely everything.

669
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 7: And the AI that's involved in these images is insane

670
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 7: because I've seen it time and time again where you

671
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 7: could cut off the wing tip of a bird, you know,

672
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 7: and it's like it's a perfect flight shot, but the

673
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 7: wing tips cut off or the tails cut off, And

674
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 7: with AI, you can just box it out and tell

675
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 7: it to regenerate and it'll generate the rest of the

676
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 7: missing tail or wing or whatever it may be. So

677
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 7: it's yeah, it's insane, It truly is.

678
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure sounds like my friend, So what are

679
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: if you're out in the field, what are you looking for?

680
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 8: Now?

681
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 5: Are you? Oh?

682
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

683
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I just got back from up north.

684
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 7: I made a trip through northern Minnesota up and looking

685
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 7: for a variety of different things. Winter time is a

686
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 7: great time to be out and about.

687
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 2: I spent a couple of days at the bog, which

688
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 2: is the sexion bug.

689
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 7: Everybody seems to know about it, and you know, all

690
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 7: usual cast of characters are are there, in particular looking

691
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 7: for boreal chickadees, which were very cooperative and always very

692
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 7: fun and had an opportunity to photograph some black back woodpeckers.

693
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

694
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 7: This is a it's an unusual woodpecker. They're not in

695
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 7: any high numbers anywhere, and they specialize in burned over areas,

696
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 7: so forests that have had recent forest fires. They are

697
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 7: a specialist food specialist. These these black back woodpeckers are

698
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 7: a food specialist in that they eat the larva from

699
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 7: the bark beetle, which is a beetle that kills pine

700
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 7: trees and so and when you have a fire, it

701
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 7: kind of allows it opens up the trees a little bit,

702
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 7: so it makes it easier for these woodpeckers to get

703
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 7: to these to this larva. The larva is just a

704
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 7: stage in the beetles lifestyle life cycle. And so they

705
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 7: will come in and start peeling bark and finding all

706
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 7: the larva underneath it. And so they these blackpack woodpeckers

707
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 7: go around looking for recent fires and they move into

708
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 7: those fire areas and they just you know, tear apart

709
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 7: the trees looking for this, uh, these larvae and you know,

710
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 7: so there so that was that was a lot of

711
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 7: fun also, and you know, a bunch of just a

712
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 7: regular uh of winter birds. So it was a it

713
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 7: was a fun time. I just got back the day

714
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 7: before or yesterday, and it was it was fantastic, really

715
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 7: was Well.

716
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: The Saxon Bog, isn't that where people were pretty much

717
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: loving it to death that there was some concern on that.

718
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's a very highly visited area and that's

719
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 7: well known for its owls. So we oftentimes have great

720
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 7: gray owls and hawk owls and boreal owls that hang

721
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 7: out in that area. This is and and the owls

722
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 7: are not a regular occurrence, and they are are eruptive

723
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 7: by nature, meaning that in some years they're plentiful, in

724
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 7: some years they're not.

725
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: This is a not year. There's right now there's only

726
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: one hawk owl hanging around.

727
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 7: So no great grays and no boreals and uh, it's

728
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 7: predicted to not be a good winter for uh for owls,

729
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 7: which will bring the crowds down dramatically because people seem

730
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 7: to be unifocused on owls. I don't understand this phenomenon,

731
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 7: because an owl is a bird like any other bird.

732
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 7: But people, for some reason are kooky over these owls.

733
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

734
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 7: It's you know, it's like I don't know, loving only

735
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 7: one of your children, not all of them, you know

736
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 7: what I mean. It's just, it's just it's an interesting

737
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 7: I scratch my head every time and just go because

738
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 7: people are nuts about them, and uh, and there are

739
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 7: birds just like any other bird.

740
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't quite get it. Well, if

741
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: they're if they're a special, if if the bird is

742
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: special in that person's eyes because they're they're searching for

743
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: it and they love to see it so much. And

744
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: you're right, it's the same as any other bird. But

745
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: if it's unusual and unusually seen, it makes it more special.

746
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 7: Perhaps, Yeah, But there's plenty of birds like the boreal

747
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 7: chickadee or blackback woodpeckers or Bohemian wax wings are super

748
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 7: special birds. And you don't see people, you know, flying

749
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 7: across the country and you know, going renting cars and

750
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 7: hotels and things just to go.

751
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: See these things.

752
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 8: You know.

753
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 7: It's so, yeah, it's an interesting phenomenon. I would love

754
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 7: to study it sometimes as to why, you know, I've

755
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 7: speculated over the years as to why people are so

756
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 7: you know, crazy for owls, and I think part of

757
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 7: it is is that they're one they're nocturnal, so that's

758
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 7: kind of a little bit of mystery to them. But

759
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 7: I think, honestly, the more obvious thing is that they

760
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 7: have eyes in the front of their heads like you

761
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 7: and I, and this is an unusual placement of eyes

762
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 7: in the bird world, and so they and they have eyelids.

763
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 7: They come from the top down, so it looks like people,

764
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 7: you know, like human eyelids, and they, you know, they

765
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 7: just have these characteristics that these physical characteristics that look

766
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 7: similar to our own anatomy. And so therefore I think

767
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 7: people are subconsciously attracted to them. I think, I don't know,

768
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 7: it's an interesting thing, but because you ask people and

769
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 7: they go, I just love owls, and why, I don't know.

770
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, Well, what I do know is we

771
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: have to take a break. Oh you're okay with that,

772
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: so yeah, let's do it, all right, we'll do that.

773
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: Our guest is stand Tequila and find him at naturesmart

774
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: dot com. We will take that pause and we will

775
00:45:51,840 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: be right back with Stand Tequila after this humid we're

776
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: back fan out tours coming your way until the eight

777
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: o'clock hour in the building right now, and I think

778
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 2: we are probably two one of each of us alone,

779
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: because it didn't look like anybody else was around. One

780
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: of us would be our producer Brett Blakemore, who does

781
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: a wonderful job, and we thank him for always thanking him,

782
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: and you're true, yeah, and I am. I'm here to

783
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: unfortunately or fortunately whatever. Our guests stand tequila and we're talking.

784
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: Cameras are talking my nature, and we're talking owls and

785
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: why he really likes them. But anyway, I'll just leave

786
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: it at that. So have has uh spring sprung for

787
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: a few speeches yet? Interesting?

788
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 7: You should mention that I think this, you know, spring

789
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 7: type of thing is a gradual of you know, it's

790
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 7: not like a flip a switch like that. But the

791
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 7: reason why I mentioned this, I don't know if I

792
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 7: think I mentioned it before. I have my flying squirrel

793
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 7: live stream at night, and the other night I was

794
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 7: watching the stream the flying squirrels coming in on one

795
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 7: of the one of the squirrel feeders, and it was

796
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 7: just above freezing. It was like thirty three degrees And

797
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 7: as I'm watching the stream, I see a spider coming

798
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 7: down in front. Because it's infrared camera, so I'm I'm

799
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 7: broadcasting infrared light, which means that you know, you can't

800
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 7: see it it's pitch black out there, but it reflects

801
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 7: off everything. And this spider was coming down a web

802
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 7: thirty three degrees out there, and I'm watching it, going,

803
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 7: how how the heck does that happen? You know, because

804
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 7: there it was, you know, I mean, because it was

805
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 7: about freezing. This spider was moving, and I thought, well,

806
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 7: just I'm always fascinated by nature and all the things

807
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 7: that we presume about it and uh and oftentimes get wrong.

808
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 7: And I just find that absolutely amazing that this little

809
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 7: spider was, you know, operating in December in Minnesota.

810
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Well with with the spider itself. Stand, when

811
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: they freeze, are they dead? Well?

812
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 7: Uh, there was a time when that was a general

813
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 7: consensus that these uh uh you know, spiders or frogs

814
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 7: or salamanders or wherever, maybe when they freeze, they're dead.

815
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: Obvious, how could you possibly survive? Be fazen.

816
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 7: And we've found time and time and time again that

817
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 7: these animals have the ability to freeze and still recover

818
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 7: and continue on after that. And how that's done is

819
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 7: I mean, there's some basic uh you know, knowledge of it,

820
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 7: but truly we don't understand how, you know, the main

821
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 7: question would be how are the cells of that animal

822
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 7: not completely shattered, because in each of our cells is

823
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 7: a minute amount of water, and when that water freezes,

824
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 7: it produces sharp projections, little crystals, and those punk those

825
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 7: rupture the cell walls and and kill the cell. So

826
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 7: it doesn't make any sense as to how they could

827
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 7: freeze and then come back to life and still not

828
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 7: be a bowl of jelly, because that's you know, when

829
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 7: all the cells are fractured and that there's nothing left.

830
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's completely unknown. But we're discovering more and

831
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 7: more all the time that that certain animals can freeze and.

832
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 2: Survive, and it's really truly remarkable. Well, and I can't

833
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: think of the number of frogs that as a youth

834
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: I took out a really cold water in the spring

835
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: and just figured they were dead and yeah, just yeah, fish,

836
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah you're out. Yeah you're out ice fishing.

837
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 7: I'm no doubt you've seen turtles underwater and uh, same

838
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 7: thing going on there, I mean, how do they although

839
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 7: if the water is liquid, it's above you know, it's

840
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 7: above freezing, so it's actually probably warmer than the uh

841
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 7: air temperature for sure most of the time, you.

842
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: Know, and all those things, you know, take them for granted,

843
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: stand you, just because because they happen to us, they

844
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: got to happen to them too, Yeah, exactly.

845
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 7: And the lack of knowledge is what drives all of

846
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 7: this because we just don't understand it. And uh and

847
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 7: now we you know, we're getting a little bit better

848
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 7: grip on things and uh and discovering these new things

849
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 7: all the time and then being able to disseminate that

850
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 7: information is also which by the way, is a good

851
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 7: thing and a bad thing. But uh, information can get

852
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 7: out to across the world very quickly, you know, obviously

853
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 7: these days. But that also means that bad information, incorrect

854
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 7: information also gets out and zips around the world in

855
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 7: record time, you know, at lightning speed. So uh, you know,

856
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 7: you just have to be discerning what you what you

857
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 7: take in.

858
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 2: Take for for me anyway, stan is I quit believing

859
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: anything I see online and social media.

860
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 7: I just, oh my gosh, there's so much AI generated

861
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 7: stuff now. Fortunately some of them you can see where

862
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 7: it's marked. It's it's labeled you know, AI generated.

863
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 6: Uh.

864
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 7: My my version of Photoshop, which is the latest version

865
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 7: of photoshop will uh and light room also when I

866
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 7: have an image in there, it'll tell me if it's

867
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 7: been altered with AI also, or if I altered it

868
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 7: with AI myself. Because AI is as simple as say,

869
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 7: for example, I've got a nice picture, but there's a

870
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 7: stick right across whatever, you know, part of the picture.

871
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: Maybe it's in the corner, or maybe it's you know,

872
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: near the bird or whatever.

873
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 6: It may be.

874
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 7: And with this latest software, I simply just like paint

875
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 7: on the stick, and with AI tell it to remove

876
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 7: the stick and boom it's gone, and and it looks amazing.

877
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 7: But that's AI that and so it's flagged as an

878
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 7: AI image. So there's all sorts of different levels. Again,

879
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 7: it's not like all or nothing. It's there's different levels

880
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 7: of AI within uh you know, the whole AI uh

881
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 7: generated image things, you.

882
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: Know, and that can be that should probably be teachable,

883
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 2: just as anything else that is taught. Oh, absolutely, because

884
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: I think too many people take what they see for granted,

885
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: no matter what it is, but they believe it and

886
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: it then becomes truth. Yeah, and that and that's the

887
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: true and that's absolutely truth they are.

888
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

889
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, you have to have a discerning eye, and you

890
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 7: have to have a discerning uh you know, maybe a

891
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 7: little bit of skepticism in your in your life to

892
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 7: be able to navigate through all this stuff, and it,

893
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 7: believe me, it's a lot to navigate through.

894
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on that you know, we have

895
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: to kind of filter it out more every day every day. Yeah.

896
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 7: And it's exponential growth too, because it's more and more

897
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 7: and more, and the the software to do this is

898
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 7: becoming easier. I've got I picked up some an app

899
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 7: for my phone, and you know, and AI's been on

900
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 7: phones forever too, built into it, but now you've got

901
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 7: extra ones you could add on to it, so which

902
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 7: is interesting. There's a significant amount of pushback on this also.

903
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 7: I see in especially amuncht of younger people. You see

904
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 7: these trends and people wanting to go back to film.

905
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 7: They want analog, they want something real, something, and I,

906
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 7: you know, I agree. I remember, I don't know how

907
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 7: long ago, quite a few years ago, twenty five or

908
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 7: more years ago, attending a conference with my publisher, and

909
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 7: there was a gentleman on stage who was presenting to

910
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 7: this large audience of publishers and authors, and he held

911
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 7: up this thing. He called it a tablet, and he

912
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 7: held up the verset and he said, you know, books

913
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 7: will be on here, and he proclaimed books will be

914
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 7: dead in the future. And I remember watching this and

915
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 7: you know, attending that that seminar and going, oh my gosh,

916
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 7: we're in big trouble. And I went out right after

917
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 7: that conference and bought a tablet so that I could

918
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 7: figure out what the heck this thing was, you know,

919
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 7: and because you know, the general consensus was that books

920
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 7: are dead, paper books are dead, They're all going to

921
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 7: be on tablets. Well, here we are, all these years later.

922
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 7: Books are not dead. In fact, there's a people liked

923
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 7: the feel of books. They want to have a book

924
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 7: in their hands. They want to be able to i mean,

925
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 7: smell it and carry it and whatever it may be.

926
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 7: That interaction, a physical interaction. Now it's not to say that,

927
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 7: you know, books on a tablet are bad.

928
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: They're not.

929
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 7: In fact, I've got many myself. But it's an integration

930
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 7: of that to a certain level. Not it's not at

931
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 7: all or nothing type of thing.

932
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: I and we have to go. But there's one one

933
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: thing that comes to mind right away, because my daughter

934
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: in law is absolutely enamored with popcorn that you make

935
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: in a pan and you turn yeah, the old fashioned way, Yeah,

936
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: the way we used to do it, that's right. And

937
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: the microwave popcorn. She's just kind of a but yeah,

938
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember that. Of course that was

939
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: the only way you made it.

940
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: That's right.

941
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: You turn it and turn it and turn it right.

942
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, gracious, yes, sir. But phonograph records are something

943
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: else that comes to mind all of a sudden. There

944
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: classical and cassette tapes are coming back to you. I

945
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: love it, Stan, Thank you so much for your time. Gosh,

946
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: it's fun talking to you, my friend, and I hope

947
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 2: we are stealing you away too much from Oh gosh,

948
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: no love, love to be here and everybody. Happy New Year. Everybody.

949
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: Hope everyone had a great Christmas. And we'll talk to

950
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: you next time. Yes, we will. Thank you very much.

951
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: That's the stand Tequila, and once again find him at

952
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: nature smart dot com. My grandkids love the whose Butt

953
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 2: Memory Game. I'm just telling you that it's a winner.

954
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: Get it, you love it. We'll be right back with

955
00:56:42,760 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: tackle after this. Nineteen minutes after the hour of seven o'clock,

956
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: I kin a fan outdoors Saturday morning. It's still dark yep,

957
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: it is, and it's supposed to be getting light in fact,

958
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: sun is coming up and not too distant future. Let's

959
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 2: check in with tackle Terry and see maybe the sun

960
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: is shining bright where he is. I am not sure,

961
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: but we'll find out.

962
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 6: Terry.

963
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 5: Good morning, sir, Good morning to you, Bill, and good

964
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 5: morning everyone. Know they're still dark. The fog lived it overnight,

965
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 5: so that good names.

966
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I had some fog coming into the

967
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: station this morning, but not a lot. I was just

968
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: I was concerned though if it was good, I was

969
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: going to drive on some slick spots, and I don't

970
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: know if I did or not. I didn't try to

971
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: find any.

972
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 5: Well I've been that's really quite The last couple of

973
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 5: three weeks of December been sort of different, if you will,

974
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 5: versus what we would normally expect to winter.

975
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry talk to me a little bit about tip

976
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: up fishing, which i'd I know that a lot of

977
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: people do it. I know that my kids do it,

978
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: but and I know out in Devil's Lake Zippy Doll

979
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: does it also. But there's got to be a method

980
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: to the madness, and I'm not sure what that is.

981
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, there really is, Bill. Yeah. The fact that I

982
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 5: was out fishing yesterday and there was not very far

983
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 5: away that was using a tip up and tip up

984
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 5: GENI speaking, I used for northern foot walleyes and with

985
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 5: a tip of the biggest factor here is that if

986
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 5: you're fishing for northern pike, and here I do use

987
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 5: most of tim a plain hook or I use also

988
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: to a gemini, a lure, a spoon which has sort

989
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 5: of a flat surface to it with a lot of shine,

990
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 5: and sockers are soccers are probably the most utilized for

991
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 5: live bait, but chinas are extremely productive burnt to a

992
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 5: fish biologist. And so therefore then what you want to

993
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 5: do with a tip up is, first of one, you'll

994
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 5: find where you're going to set it up, a deep

995
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 5: weed lines, existing deep wood lines, a rocky weaf, some

996
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 5: rock piles inside terms of the deep white cline are

997
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 5: all good locations. And then what you do want to do.

998
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 5: You want to start about two to three feet off

999
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 5: the bottom f pike and then keep bringing it up

1000
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: maybe a two feet at a time or foot at

1001
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 5: a time, to about three to four feet below the surface.

1002
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 5: And then if you don't have any success, then just

1003
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 5: leave it about two feet above the bottom.

1004
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: And the reason we want to.

1005
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 5: Be bring it up. Even three feet below the ice

1006
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 5: is not uncommon. And I just spoke to somebody the

1007
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 5: other day in fact, in Christmas Day where they have

1008
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 5: pork facing sonar and they've seen a big fish but

1009
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 5: they didn't have a chance to recognize what it was,

1010
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 5: but it was four feet under the ice, so that

1011
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 5: was a big pike. And then the other thing too.

1012
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 5: Now with walley fishing, you want to stay about right

1013
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 5: around twelve into off the bottom, and here you can

1014
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: new shiner. Small suckers are also very very part They're

1015
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 5: so sturdy in the wintertime, so they see really healthy.

1016
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 5: And then the biggest factor your build is that when

1017
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 5: you're using a tip up, when that flag goes up,

1018
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 5: you want to sort of gently walk over to that

1019
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 5: hole and then lift that tip up real slow and

1020
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 5: feel line at the same time because if there's any

1021
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 5: tension on that line, that pipe will drop it. That's

1022
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 5: a big, big factor generally speaking. Then when it'll stop,

1023
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 5: you know, turn the bait around and swallow it head first.

1024
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 5: Want stats to make that second run, that is when

1025
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 5: you want to reset the hook. Now with walleyes, generally speaking,

1026
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 5: only that first run as soon as that flag goes

1027
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 5: up and you just lift it out slowly and then

1028
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 5: uh set the hook. So there's a couple of big flats.

1029
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: The biggest thing is just to not create any tension

1030
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 4: on that when you bring it out of a hole.

1031
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: Now it seems to me they're always using like an

1032
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: old black dockron line on them.

1033
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 5: Yes, that's I'm glad you brought that up. I use

1034
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 5: a tefroon cold line bill and it works from fifteen

1035
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 5: to thirty. I use in the fifteen to twenty when

1036
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 5: then the reason being is that that new line, that

1037
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 5: plastic coded line doesn't freeze, so that's a big, big

1038
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 5: factor too. And then for northern pipe, one thing I

1039
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 5: shouldn't mention it not football is just using a monopilm

1040
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 5: the leader for walleyes or a for a carbon but

1041
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 5: for a northern pipe. Some people say, well, can I

1042
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 5: use fire iron? Can I use a braid?

1043
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 3: No?

1044
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 5: Use an actual seventh strand wire leader, because a big

1045
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 5: pipe will bite bite through that braided line. And you

1046
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 5: just lost this issue.

1047
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, is it possible to leave it in too long?

1048
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: A fish? Take it too long?

1049
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 5: Well, with a while with a northern pike, probably not old,

1050
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 5: but with a walleye. Yes, with a walleye, depending on

1051
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 5: the bait and how gressive they are. But yes, definitely.

1052
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 5: And the big goal here is to get that hook

1053
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 5: set at the right time. And with pike too, it'll

1054
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 5: take maybe a couple of hook sets to see exactly

1055
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 5: when you should set it. Uh, there's gonna be timeframes

1056
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 5: with that Northern pike makes a big, fast run and

1057
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 5: you should have set it uh a little bit sooner.

1058
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 5: But then you can drop it or trip that bait

1059
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 5: right off the hook. But here too, yes, espe, you

1060
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 5: want to try to avoid getting that fish hook you know,

1061
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 5: really got hooked, just like using a distick or a

1062
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 5: bobber for walleyes.

1063
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right. So with that being said, Terry,

1064
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: there's so many different kinds of tip ups out there too.

1065
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's got their their own mouse trap, so

1066
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: to speak.

1067
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 5: Yes, you're exactly right. I do use the frable ones.

1068
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 5: Their orange cutters really visible and they're instantly on the

1069
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 5: bottoms to prevent that whole or that tip up from

1070
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 5: freezing in. So that's really a plus factor. But you

1071
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 5: are right, there are so many many different tip ups,

1072
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 5: and I think you know, really the the instant of

1073
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 5: the ones that cover the whole whole completely are probably

1074
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 5: the best to invest in gear again too, you know,

1075
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 5: if you've got the regular shall we say, the old

1076
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 5: old style tip up, and you still can ambindment, there's

1077
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with them, but they have a tendency to

1078
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 5: freeze in.

1079
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 4: The other thing too, is you know, make sure that

1080
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 4: your shoulder. The etiquette was using tip ups I required.

1081
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 4: I think it was last Winter Bill where.

1082
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 5: Somebody said, a couple of tip ups right alongside a

1083
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 5: pollied road on the lake. No, no, somebody just veers

1084
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 5: all specter're going to drive right over that tip up.

1085
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 5: And then two, make sure that is very visible. You know,

1086
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 5: you have to take a shovel or whatever clean around

1087
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 5: the hole because many times you're not using if you're

1088
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 5: using a standard old style tip up, especially black, it's

1089
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 5: going to be hard to see.

1090
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1091
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only will somebody maybe have an issue driving

1092
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 2: over it, but your tip up is done.

1093
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 5: Oh yes, exactly right, exactly right, and you do need

1094
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 5: to you know, if you're using the old style tip

1095
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 5: up is make sure that you get that when you

1096
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 5: keep that whole completely clean from ice, because if that

1097
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 5: tip of freezers down or freezes over, you're going to

1098
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 5: have different out time getting it out.

1099
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1100
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: As far as reeling it back up when you're going

1101
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: to put it away, is it different You have to

1102
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: physically wrap the line around that little school until it's

1103
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: all up, or is there a different way to do that?

1104
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 5: Some of them no, A good question. I'm glad you

1105
01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 5: brought that.

1106
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 4: If I haven't even thought about that.

1107
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 5: You know what you do what I do. And that's

1108
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 5: another thing too, using this quotas line, it doesn't tangle

1109
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 5: what I do. I just you know, set the hook

1110
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 5: firm standing up, uh, set the hook nice and firm.

1111
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 5: That's why you have to lift that uh tip up

1112
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 5: captainly out of that hole and set the hook firm,

1113
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 5: and then just pull a hand over hand puting that

1114
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 5: line in bell something like the drop line under those

1115
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 5: kind of condition, and then I just leave that ice

1116
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 5: fine way on the ice because you're not going to

1117
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 5: get it tangled. Then you can take the time after

1118
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 5: you get the fishing landed. I took when you're back

1119
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 5: on the school. And another thing too, I should mention

1120
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 5: when you're using a tip up, I use these tiny,

1121
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 5: tiny little bobbers and I use that as depth ctter.

1122
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 5: So then if I caught that pike at four feet

1123
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 5: off the bottom, that's where I can set that tip

1124
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 5: up out. Uh, set the tip up and that becomes

1125
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 5: that darker you know exactly where to set it again.

1126
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 2: Okay, have you been fishing at all?

1127
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1128
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: I was.

1129
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 5: I was out yesterday and but I didn't happen through

1130
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 5: the ice. But a lot of water up of the ice.

1131
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 5: Oh there is, Oh yes, and uh work creach. It's

1132
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 5: slippery out there. I see somebody go down, you know, so,

1133
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 5: but it's it's very, very slippy. There's a lot of

1134
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 5: water at me. That's just I hope this weather doesn't

1135
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 5: we get a lot of heavy snow or anything.

1136
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 4: You know, some of them would.

1137
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 5: If it does snow, it's going to abdorver that water,

1138
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 5: hopefully a lot of So it's going to be trouble.

1139
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, then it's going to be awful. We don't want that.

1140
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: We don't want that.

1141
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 5: And we don't know.

1142
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: We were talking about cleats before and and Tommy emailed

1143
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: me and told me the yak tracks is what he has.

1144
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 2: That's what I have too. What kind of tweets do

1145
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: you run, Terry? Are you walking?

1146
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 5: I generally use the built in cleat corker.

1147
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

1148
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 5: They have a snap on Uh mean it comes in

1149
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 5: with a boot, you know, a boot, and then you

1150
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 5: just snap on different uh, different traction modes if you will,

1151
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 5: a different cleat, or they have the access strap on

1152
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 5: ones too. But those are and they're the boots is

1153
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 5: so warm and they're not heavy. So it's a big,

1154
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: big factor. But do work cleats right now. It's just

1155
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 5: even the parking lot right parked was icy.

1156
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the soles that the pieces that clap right

1157
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: out of your or snap onto your boots, those are

1158
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: like the old stud and tires, isn't it.

1159
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly right, Yeah, And there's different you know, let's

1160
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 5: call them the studs bill and there's different lengths of studs.

1161
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1162
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 5: So you can adjust it according to the ice. I

1163
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 5: think it was last year, a year before I put

1164
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 5: the heavier ones on because it was so slippery and

1165
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 5: you want the best bite that you possibly count. Every

1166
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 5: thing I like about these kind of cleats, well, uh,

1167
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 5: is that I wore a pair of bolts step on

1168
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 5: boots and so then I can just take off the

1169
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 5: boot when I'm driving the trip. Otherwise, if you are

1170
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 5: cleats in your vehicle. You're going to scratch up the

1171
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 5: door sill or tear up the carpeting or the mat,

1172
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 5: and so this is another big puff factor. Or you

1173
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 5: do have the opportunity, like with regular creats, to snap them.

1174
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: Off and on your boote. My youngest son was didn't

1175
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 2: have cleats on and he slipped and fell, broke his

1176
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 2: ankle and now has a metal plate in his ankle.

1177
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 2: So not a good thing. You just don't do.

1178
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 5: No, it isn't, Yeah, it isn't. I see some people

1179
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 5: come out yesterday and they didn't have boots on and

1180
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 5: they have to walk in that water, and I thought, oh, brother,

1181
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 5: don't doo that you're going to be wet and number two,

1182
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 5: you're going to fall.

1183
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 4: Ye ye, you just it's just common sense built but

1184
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 4: that to take free twit you.

1185
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Were you catching anything?

1186
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah? I did. I was catching sunfish and Crappie's bilt

1187
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 5: some pretty good action but very finicky bites.

1188
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 4: They were just amazing.

1189
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 5: And it had the one thread in your h.

1190
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 4: One wax worm.

1191
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 5: Wouldn't they wouldn't even look at it. Built that I tried.

1192
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 4: Some other lures wouldn't even.

1193
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 5: Look at it. So they had to be had the

1194
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 5: jigging action was you know. I would draw them in

1195
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 5: and raise them up maybe about eight turning to off

1196
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 5: the bottom and really had to work that fish and

1197
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 5: try to bring it up more and more. I would

1198
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 5: get some to follow up higher, but some would not

1199
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 5: come up, and so therefore then I just started all

1200
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 5: over for another fish. But they were biting unbelievably light.

1201
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 5: Even with the.

1202
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 4: Sensitive rod. I had to watch for a line movement.

1203
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 5: Otherwise or watch the vex fier because once that red

1204
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 5: line was gone, I set the hooking fish was on.

1205
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 5: It was just amazing how I they were biting, but

1206
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 5: also too you know. I talked to somebody coming off

1207
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 5: the ice and he was saying, two of these weather,

1208
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 5: we just need to get some more stable weather to

1209
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 5: get really a good bite. But it was, it was good,

1210
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 5: But it was just amazing how finicky these fish can get.

1211
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating to terry when they come up and

1212
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're gone again.

1213
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is. But you know that just you know,

1214
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 5: I think many times we see it, you know, more

1215
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 5: often than not. Uh, you know where these fish are,

1216
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 5: especially when you got and we start talking with just

1217
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 5: individually yesterday about the noise factor, how noise is really

1218
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 5: spooks these fish just I think so often we and

1219
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 5: we had a snowmobe that was running back and forth,

1220
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 5: probably about seventy five feet away from me, and I thought, oh,

1221
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 5: he though or maybe he's running back to get something. Well,

1222
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 5: I don't think he was running back and forth on

1223
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 5: the lake and that kind of staf it's just not

1224
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 5: no oals, but it can be and the people walking

1225
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 5: it's you know, especially if you've got no snow and

1226
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 5: clear ice and you you've got something to be concerned about.

1227
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry, we'll let you go. My friend, are you

1228
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: going to fish today or tomorrow?

1229
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 5: I'm sure I'll be back out there. Yes, I'm going

1230
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 5: to watch your weather for that. He got a big

1231
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,839
Speaker 5: stowst forecast.

1232
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 4: I know, I know.

1233
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to even think about you don't want

1234
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: that to happen. No, okay, Terry, Well good luck to

1235
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 2: you if you go, Bud.

1236
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, happy we are to you and to all

1237
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 4: of our listeners.

1238
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: There we go. That's tackle Terry. Every other week, he

1239
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: joins us, and uh, this is that week. So we

1240
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: let him go and we are going to hopefully catch

1241
01:11:40,040 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 2: up with Bob Saint Pierre right after this. Well, it's

1242
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 2: the last segment for today. We'll be back again next

1243
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: Saturday morning, bright and early. Okay. But our next guest, well,

1244
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: we could probably ask him to make it, to introduce himself.

1245
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,879
Speaker 2: He's been gone for that long, I think, and we probably.

1246
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,879
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we can pronounce his last name properly,

1247
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,560
Speaker 2: but we'll work on it.

1248
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 4: Are are you there? I got it?

1249
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 2: I got it, just slipped my mind again, man.

1250
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 6: Captain.

1251
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: Same to you, buddy in a happy new Year coming

1252
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 2: up too, But but hopefully I'll see you before that,

1253
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: but we'll see.

1254
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 5: I never know, see me after the new year.

1255
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: Okay, all right?

1256
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 6: Is it the new year, like Thursday or something? So

1257
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 6: I'll see you on Saturday a week from today.

1258
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: Next year, yes, next year. Maybe that would be Brett Blakemore.

1259
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: He's my producer too. Anyway, nice to meet you, Brett,

1260
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: you too, nice to hear from you. How is how

1261
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 2: is vacation? I saw you one time? A picture of

1262
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: you was shotgun in hand and snowshoes on. Were you

1263
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,839
Speaker 2: able to capture anything?

1264
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:44,440
Speaker 6: I have not captured anything other than a very relaxed

1265
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 6: good time. I've done a couple of short hunts. I

1266
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 6: haven't seen any birds get about a foot of snow

1267
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 6: up here, so I don't cover a whole heck of

1268
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 6: a lot of ground with the foot of snow. So

1269
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 6: I've done some uh, some posts tolling, some snowshoeing, and

1270
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 6: some cross country skiing. It's just it's been very nice.

1271
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 6: I stayed off my phone for the most part, read

1272
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 6: a few books, and enjoyed the outdoors. And yeah, it's

1273
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 6: been very relaxing.

1274
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: Inquiring minds want to know, did you harness up your

1275
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: dogs and and take them and pull them?

1276
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 6: I have not done any ski jewry yet this season. Okay,

1277
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 6: I did go into the into the boundary waters with

1278
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 6: them on a kind of a rudimentary ski trail, but

1279
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 6: I did not harness.

1280
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 5: Myself to them.

1281
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I decided to live another week.

1282
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 2: I see, I apologize, but I can't get when I

1283
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: talk about that, I can't get it out of my mind.

1284
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 2: So tell us about Rooster road trip. Was it a

1285
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: good time?

1286
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 4: It was a challenge.

1287
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 6: We were in Central Kansas. We started in the south

1288
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 6: south portion of Central Kansas and moved our way up

1289
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 6: so that would have been December eighth. I think is

1290
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 6: when we got going, and we'll start releasing content next week.

1291
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 6: I guess January fourth is the first episodes will be released.

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Speaker 6: And it was a challenge. Kansas is a bit at

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 6: the epicenter of habitat loss. Over the last decade, they

1294
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 6: lost nearly two million acres of CRP. And also what's

1295
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 6: happening across the Great Plains is woody encroachment, so junipers

1296
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,440
Speaker 6: and Eastern red cedars are growing and taking over the grasslands.

1297
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 6: So it's actually woody growth is outpaced habitat loss from

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 6: land conversion, which is sort of a startling statement for

1299
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 6: a lot of people to hear that. You know, just

1300
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 6: these these eastern red cedars and juniper is just taking

1301
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 6: over grasslands across Kansas and Nebraska and moving up into

1302
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 6: South Dakota. And so that's part of the reason we

1303
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 6: went to Kansas for Rooster road trip is to put

1304
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 6: the spotlight on the need to do more burning and

1305
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 6: tree removal to keep the grasslands intact and all the

1306
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 6: critters that live in the grasslands.

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: I know that Chad, my youngest, has been out in

1308
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: chasing birds and it's that's definitely wintertime because when he

1309
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: finds them, he finds a bunch of them and like

1310
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 2: twenty or thirty in a group, but they're they're definitely

1311
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: bunched up. And when you think you've seen you've got

1312
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 2: that many birds to pick from. He's shot some birds,

1313
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 2: but there's other times that he's he's working pretty hard

1314
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 2: on him.

1315
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, this is the time of year where you're,

1316
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 6: you know, typically not out chasing limits. You're just out

1317
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 6: chasing the enjoyment to being in the field with your dog,

1318
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 6: and if you can grab one bird for the pot,

1319
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 6: that's a successful day. I think I've got one, maybe

1320
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 6: two trips to pheasant hunt and southern Minnesota left, you know,

1321
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 6: over the course of the next week. But then they

1322
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 6: don't wrap it up for the year. What about you, Captain,

1323
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 6: Are you going to get out again?

1324
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: I might go today, Actually I'm thinking about very good. Yeah,

1325
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: I think so. I know Eric and Chatter heading up

1326
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: to his least farm and they were leaving early this morning.

1327
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I want to go that far.

1328
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: But I do need to get bre out because she

1329
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: is she is pulling at my pants leg to get

1330
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 2: and run.

1331
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 6: And that's how much How much snow do you figure

1332
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 6: you have in the cabin country.

1333
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 2: Well, there's none on the lake. We were told this

1334
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 2: morning by Denny Fletcher. It's absolutely bare. And I asked

1335
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 2: him last week on phone if I could get back

1336
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: into the cabin, which I'm going to try to do

1337
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 2: perhaps today, and he said, well, if you can't get

1338
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:34,839
Speaker 2: over that initial burm because it's gotten warm and cold,

1339
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: and warm and cold turns into ice, he says, give

1340
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 2: me a call and I'll punch it out with a plow.

1341
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure. I'm curious. So, but it sure

1342
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: takes a lot out of a person to be walking

1343
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: in snow with no snowshoes though, Yeah.

1344
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 5: That's for sure.

1345
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 6: Even with snowshoes, it's a lot of work, Yeah, it is.

1346
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 6: You know, I think some of the taller hunters have

1347
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 6: an advantage of long legs this time year, but that

1348
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 6: does not does not include you, and.

1349
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: I no, it does not. In fact, that was a

1350
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: topic of conversation with a person that I had been

1351
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: chatting with too. And when you got stuck in that

1352
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 2: snow bank and had to get lifted out.

1353
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm vertically challenged, that's for sure. And this time

1354
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 6: of year it's nice to ride on top of the

1355
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 6: snow if you can.

1356
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, but it's I think I think it's worse

1357
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: if you've got a crust of snow and you can

1358
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: get over some of it and all of a sudden

1359
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 2: you fall through with a leg and yeah, it's different muscles.

1360
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: And man, they heard after that.

1361
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, post tolling through the snow. And that's what

1362
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 6: they've got up here is they had nice layer of snow,

1363
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 6: but the last two days gotten some freezing rain. Going

1364
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 6: to get some more freezing rain today and then I

1365
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 6: think Sunday and Monday they're supposed to get maybe three

1366
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 6: inches one day and up to eight inches another. So

1367
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 6: folks that are coming up here for New Year's weekend

1368
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 6: to go skiing, and I think you've timed it correctly.

1369
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 6: It's going to be a fabulous week to be up

1370
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,839
Speaker 6: here next weekend. But it's been a little bit variable

1371
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 6: snow this weekend.

1372
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and if you look at your weather for down

1373
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 2: here tomorrow evening into Monday, we could add some additional snow.

1374
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 6: Oh so just looking forward to it.

1375
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. I'm glad you are.

1376
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 2: You can have all mine, buddy.

1377
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 6: Well, it's a good, good reason to get out burn

1378
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 6: hunting to day.

1379
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: Then yeah, yeah, that's my thought. If people are coming up,

1380
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: what would you recommend for for if you want to

1381
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: get say you want to get outside. I know you're

1382
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: up on the gun Flint, but it was fishing an option.

1383
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 6: Well, the big fishing open there's two big fishing openers

1384
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 6: up here. The Boundary Waters Lake Trout opener is coming up.

1385
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,560
Speaker 6: I don't have the regulations in front of me. I

1386
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 6: think that's January first, okay, and then so you got

1387
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 6: to be you can't fish lakes that are partially in

1388
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 6: the boundary waters for that opener. They got to be

1389
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 6: completely into the boundary water. So that's the talk of

1390
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 6: town right now. People are getting anxious to get into

1391
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 6: the boundary waters and fish Lake Trout. And then I

1392
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 6: want to say it's the following Saturday. It might be

1393
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 6: two saturdays after that Lake Trout opener. I want to say,

1394
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 6: maybe it's January twelve, But again look up the regulation

1395
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 6: having in front of me. But the Lake Trout opener

1396
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 6: or all lakes across Northern Minnesota is coming up. So

1397
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 6: that's that's the talk right now. There's I have seen

1398
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 6: ice fishing activity up here this week, certainly there's been

1399
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 6: you know, their Walleyes open and whatnot, but I have

1400
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 6: not seen anybody out on the lake now. Granted I've

1401
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 6: been on lakes that are more known for Lake Trout

1402
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 6: that it is Walleye in the in the if they've

1403
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 6: had a warmer winter so far, just like we have

1404
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 6: down in the city. So it's a very variable ice.

1405
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 6: You know, there's you got to be pretty careful because

1406
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 6: there's moving water, and you know, some of the lake,

1407
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 6: like Gunflint, I think it's only been closed up for

1408
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,759
Speaker 6: two weeks, so I have not seen a single fishermen

1409
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 6: on Gunflip. And again that's a lake that's known for

1410
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 6: Lake Trout as opposed to Walleye, which is again not

1411
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 6: open right now, so that's probably why there's not been

1412
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 6: anybody out on it.

1413
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, the the water for the.

1414
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 6: Ice conditions are really variable. You gotta know what you're

1415
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 6: doing up here, Okay when you go into the boundary.

1416
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 2: Waters, Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. When are you heading back?

1417
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,839
Speaker 2: Have you an ata are anymore?

1418
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 6: We are on the road about an hour after finished

1419
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 6: talking to you that we're packing up. Yeah, we got

1420
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 6: up here a week ago and so we got to

1421
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 6: be out of here by ten o'clock, so we gonna

1422
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 6: cook up some breakfast, load the truck, and vacation is

1423
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 6: coming to an end.

1424
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 2: Oh my, that's too bad. But overall it was fun one.

1425
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was great.

1426
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:57,919
Speaker 5: It was very relaxing.

1427
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 8: I was able to unplug ug from the phone and

1428
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 8: the computer, and I would highly recommend that to anybody.

1429
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 8: You know, I haven't watched a football game or a

1430
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 8: newscast in a week, and life life.

1431
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: Still a little better, life still exists.

1432
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 6: Yeah. I read some books and uh, you know, listen

1433
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:28,440
Speaker 6: to some Christmas music. H just you enjoyed time outdoors

1434
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 6: with Meredith and the dogs and her parents come up.

1435
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 6: Came up for Christmas for a few days around Christmas,

1436
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 6: and it was Its just been a terrific week and wonderful. Yeah,

1437
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 6: so unplugged, that's my recommendation.

1438
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 2: Well we're going to unplug too, buddy. So I I

1439
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 2: thank you for your time and I'll look forward to

1440
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: see you in your next week. Okay, all right, good

1441
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: luck today, cat, Thank you, sir, Travel safe, buddy. St

1442
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 2: Bob Saint Pierre he joins us usually every week, but

1443
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 2: now everybody in three or four weeks. So anyway, I

1444
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: want to say thank you to Denny Fletcher, Tommy George

1445
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: stand Tequila Tackle Terry, and thank you for allowing us

1446
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: to travel with you. Keep it right here though it's

1447
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: in the zone for Brett Blakemore, my producer, for nobody

1448
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 2: else but me. I just wish you a very happy

1449
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: New Year, have a fabulous weekend. Until then, leave you

1450
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: with Tata.