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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Couples Therapy, the first one of

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Speaker 1: the new year. In this episode, Lenora and I were

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Speaker 1: in New York City visiting her aunt and uncle, who

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Speaker 1: are famous novel writers, fantasy writers, video game designers, board

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Speaker 1: game designers, marvel writers. They do quite a bit, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into all of that, But the

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Speaker 1: first ten minutes of the podcast are just me kind

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Speaker 1: of setting up the mic and some really good conversation

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Speaker 1: that happened before we officially started that I felt like,

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Speaker 1: like always, it should be part of the podcast, save

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Speaker 1: your stuff till we're actually on, so I included that.

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Speaker 1: So what you're going to hear for about the first

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Speaker 1: the actual podcast. So as soon as you hear the

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Speaker 1: jingle in about nine minutes, you'll know that that's the official,

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Speaker 1: official start. But this is one of the more proud

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Speaker 1: podcasts I've put together, So I really hope you guys

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Speaker 1: listen all the way through and share your feedback, and

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Speaker 1: I really hope you enjoy Thanks Happy Sunday. So far,

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Speaker 1: the levels are great, fantastic, fantastic, go So were you

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Speaker 1: did you grow up in Phoenix? What year did you move?

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Speaker 2: I moved to Chicago in two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's right when John Ja and Rich went

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Speaker 1: on the air. So that's that expense. You wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: Also, I never drove when I was in Phoenix. I

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Speaker 3: learned to drive till I was after twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I never wanted to.

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Speaker 2: My brothers kept getting an accidents and my mom would

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Speaker 2: cry every time the insurance went up, and so it

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Speaker 2: was very demotivated.

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Speaker 1: Was Joel one of those accidents?

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Speaker 2: Joel and Hayden they both drove before I did. Think

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Speaker 2: I didn't really get in a lot of accidents until

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Speaker 2: he got his Saturn. That wasn't his fault. I know

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Speaker 2: that a teenager, he got a couple things that sky

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Speaker 2: rocketed insurance up a little bit. Didn't tell you that.

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Speaker 2: I could ask my mom. She'd probably remembers since she

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Speaker 2: was paying for the insurance. So when you have guests on,

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Speaker 2: do you have more than one microphone?

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Speaker 1: Usually we haven't had any guests on. The only time,

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Speaker 1: like the first episode on, I did it at the

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Speaker 1: which just one mic and sharing m isn't it raw?

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Speaker 4: Raw dog?

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Speaker 1: In it?

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Speaker 4: Not the secret to a successful marriage, lots and lots

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not marriage, but that's a secret to a

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Speaker 2: successful podcast. That microphone, Oh god.

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Speaker 1: It is quite the dildonic appliance. I thought the same

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Speaker 1: thing too when I when I bought the first one

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Speaker 1: of these one I was I was like fifteen or sixteen,

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Speaker 1: just starting out in radio, and I couldn't understand why

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Speaker 1: this part wasn't at least soft. It's like they did

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Speaker 2: Claire, And you know, if you want to drink um

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Speaker 5: Like, are you thinking like a drink drain?

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Speaker 2: I mean, sure, it's your podcast?

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Speaker 6: Maybe that would be good.

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Speaker 1: I'll get her talking, okay, get her drunk, yes, loco,

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Speaker 1: I feel it. You see, two years after that song

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Speaker 1: when I'm backing Chic, it's still popping. I was just

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Speaker 1: thinking about Claire's moved to Chicago in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 2: First for my family to fly after the Twin Towers fell.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, that must have been nerve wracking.

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Speaker 2: No good, Like it was philosophically interesting, definitely something I marked.

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Speaker 2: You know, what, what month did you move?

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Speaker 5: Because I remember.

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Speaker 7: My mom saying like she was like the first one

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Speaker 5: Of course I was born on a full moon.

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Speaker 2: Makes so much sense. There was a big moon I met.

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Speaker 5: We chased it.

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Speaker 3: It was like it turned to all of them and

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Speaker 3: it just keeps going until the white tanks. Yes, and

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Speaker 3: so we just basically chased the moon on the night

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Speaker 3: you were born.

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Speaker 1: That's where my parents live now.

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Speaker 6: Curly, my darling, my car.

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Speaker 3: Carl Simon like, not I Curly, but Curly.

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Speaker 1: What a great reference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Carlos, Carlos, please tell me how you know I Carly.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm a.

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Speaker 1: It is a very good show and it holds up

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Speaker 2: Freshman every year in college.

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Speaker 1: So he's getting all the people our age and that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not only that, but he writes middle school and

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Speaker 3: So he got all these like ways of talking and

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Speaker 2: I just make up necromancers.

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Speaker 1: Oh I, Carly is so good. Okay, So what's in

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Speaker 1: the cocktail?

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Speaker 6: Carlos?

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Speaker 4: So this is an original concoction call. I'm calling it

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Speaker 4: the Leonora Claire and it is jim a paratol, but

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Speaker 4: Sorry, it's it's that's the bidder that I was asking about.

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Speaker 4: Uh simple syrup, which is two parts sugar, one part

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Speaker 5: Maybe for number two.

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Speaker 1: Power through number one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: I'm already feeling something.

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Speaker 8: We would say couples take Colomba. It's a little little

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Speaker 1: No, you cannot deny new content, new John, Jay and

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Speaker 1: Rich all year long. We are back Baby. It is Sunday,

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Speaker 1: January eleventh, twenty twenty six. New year, New me, new goals,

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Speaker 1: and this is Couple's Therapy. This is our eighth episode

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Speaker 1: Lenora and I I believe. And today we are live

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Speaker 1: from New York. It's Saturday night. Now it's Sunday, and

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Speaker 1: we have we are in New York City. This is

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Speaker 1: actually January third. Before we come back on the air

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Speaker 1: because we have very special guests today. We have Claire

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Speaker 1: and Carlos Hernanez. And this is Leonora's aunt and uncle.

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Speaker 1: And let me get your job titles and what you

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Speaker 1: guys do for living exact, so that I don't screw

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Speaker 1: this up. Go ahead and share with us.

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Speaker 6: Sure.

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Speaker 4: So the first thing is it's Claire Cooney and Carlos Hernandez.

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Speaker 4: We're doing couples therapy. He did not take my name.

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Speaker 3: I did not want her to take my name, like

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Speaker 4: But Claire writes under the name cs Cooney. She is

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Speaker 4: a World Fantasy Award winning author twice. So you know,

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Speaker 4: was it a fluke? She is just that incredibly great

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Speaker 4: Was it twenty twenty three or twenty four that we

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Speaker 3: March of twenty twenty three at Arts on Site, New York.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know she's written lots of different theater

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Speaker 3: This This is Carlos Hernandez. He is the winner of

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Speaker 3: the Porta Bell Pray Award for Excellence and Latino children's Literature,

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Speaker 3: where his Rick Ryerd and presents Book Sale and Gabby

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Speaker 3: Break the Universe. He is also known for the sequel

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Speaker 3: Assimilated Cuban's Guide to Quantum Santa Ria Wow. But he's

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Speaker 3: also a professor at CUNEY. He has appointments at BMCC

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Speaker 3: the Borough of Manhattan Community College, where he teaches a

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Speaker 3: Technology and Pedagogy. He's also a game designer. He's got

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Speaker 3: lots of vocations. This one. You leave him alone for

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Speaker 3: a day, thinking he'll rest, and he'll have written three

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Speaker 1: That is so much of a better intro than I

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Speaker 1: could have done for you too. See that's people always say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, how can you afford to live in New York? Well,

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Speaker 1: you do eighteen million things like you do, and it

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Speaker 1: you go. But I'm actually surprised I thought you guys

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, she did take his last name,

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Speaker 1: but I.

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Speaker 4: Think that that was just Carlos.

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Speaker 1: That was for you.

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Speaker 7: I did, So me and Katie we kind of got

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't tell me.

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Speaker 7: I'm famous and like but not in the good way.

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Speaker 1: and the fans are not on your side, Jacobs, So

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Speaker 1: just move on with your life, because we've moved on, respectfully.

444
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 7: I moved on through a karaoke song that I did

445
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 7: in New York before he Cheats by Carrie Underwood, just

446
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 7: to let you know.

447
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 4: Instead of car I put to us, I was gonna

448
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 4: say he cheat.

449
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: I know, but it felt like he did with Tesa.

450
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: But well, yes, but he did. He didn't cheat, but

451
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: Tessica was like cheating. But he also you also did

452
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: break up before he could have cheat because of the

453
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: whole the nurse thing. When he wanted to move in

454
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: with our nurse friend Sarah, and he had asked, do

455
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: you have any hot nurse friends that I could live with?

456
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: It's like we're like, we're covered in blood puke, Like

457
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: this is not a hot career, and stop fetishizing this

458
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: career career.

459
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, the Jacob chapter is over.

460
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: The Jacob chapter is over, The wedding chapter is over,

461
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: and that with the bachelorette party. My god, what a

462
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: time that was. Thanksgiving. It was all just this last

463
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: half of the year just really just a lot happened,

464
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: and uh now we're now we're here in New York

465
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: and since we're doing couple's therapy. You know, every couple

466
00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: on the show gets a chance to showcase their own relationship,

467
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the evil, and kind of talk

468
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: about what it's like living together, and you get like

469
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: an at home perspective of every member on the show.

470
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: And then you have Lenora and I who are just

471
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: roommates and our roommate dynamic, which is fun. We've explored

472
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: that a lot, but there really is no other couple

473
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: like Claire and Carlos. I always tell Leonora, I said,

474
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: when you find you're somebody, it's like going to be

475
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: like finding your Carlos. So I've gotten to see some

476
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: examples of how you guys talk through things and how

477
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: you guys work together as a couple to make living

478
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 1: in a small apartment feel like you're living in a mansion.

479
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: So I kind of want to I want to get

480
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: some opinions on that and get some get some perspectives

481
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: from your eyes, and some advice that you might have

482
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: for people out there who are looking for their Carlos

483
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: or have found their Carlos and don't want to screw

484
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: it up. So I'm going to pass this mic over

485
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: to you, and I just I'm curious and if you

486
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: have any questions, if you want more explanation, I'm happy

487
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: to explain with.

488
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: That you were very happy being single for a long time,

489
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 4: well into your thirties, and on purpose. Yeah, yeah, on purpose,

490
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 4: like choosing, That's what I mean, and sort of like

491
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: deciding that you're going to be an artist first and

492
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 4: commit yourself, you know, to a level of achievement that

493
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 4: you know basically has led to the career that you

494
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 4: have now, and only later sort of like decided that okay,

495
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: maybe this could work and whatever. So like the things

496
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: that I remember you saying that really I think apply

497
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: here is just sort of like you have to have

498
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 4: a relationship that's better than being alone. And maybe you

499
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 4: want to talk a little bit about that and what

500
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 4: that kind of meant for you.

501
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I grew up in a large family. Leonora's

502
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 3: father is one of my five brothers, and so I

503
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 3: was so excited when I moved out to live alone.

504
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: I did that in a studio apartment for several years

505
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 3: and then financially needed a roommate, but very much two

506
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 3: adults doing their own thing, and I had a wonderful roommate, Jillian,

507
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: for several years. An actor often on tour Julian, Jillian, Jillian.

508
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: And then I lived alone again for another few years,

509
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 3: which was very cool, like in that cool attic apartment

510
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: in Chicago. And then I really wanted to move to

511
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: Rhode Island. I had visited when I was twelve, and

512
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: I just always wanted to go back and live there.

513
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: It was like a weird brain blip. And so I

514
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: lived with people for a year on their couches while

515
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: my stuff was in storage to be able to save

516
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: enough money, because part of being an artist in the

517
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: world for me, there's probably other ways to do this,

518
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 3: but I was working a lot of very low wage

519
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: jobs that had nothing to do with my degree because

520
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 3: my degree was in fiction and acting and I wanted

521
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: to use my creative powers for my own projects. I

522
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: could have gotten any number of jobs with a college

523
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 3: degree that had to do with writing, especially at that

524
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: time pre AI, but I didn't want to blow my

525
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: wad as it were during my day job. I wanted

526
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: to save it. So I worked at a bookstore. I

527
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: used bookstore for ten years, or as secretaries as often

528
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: was a second job perceptionist, office manager sort of thing.

529
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: And so I and I, you know what, I what.

530
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: It gave me a lot of time and energy to write,

531
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: but it didn't give me any money to save. So

532
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: in that year where I was living with people, friends

533
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: on their couches or with my dad and stepmom and

534
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: saving money, it reminded me what it was like to

535
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: live with people, which was like, there's something that I

536
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: didn't notice when I was living alone, which is kind

537
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: of like an invisible weight that when I did notice

538
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: it finally I thought, oh, I see now, it's this

539
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: is what being alone feels like, and there is a

540
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: weight to it, but it's bearable. It's bearable. But I

541
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: had had a long honeymoon before I felt that weight

542
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: with myself, a beautiful honeymoon. But when I lived with

543
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: other people, that weight of somebody else doing dishes in

544
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: the next room was like a dissolving of that weight.

545
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: Hearing somebody laugh or watch TV, or knowing that if

546
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: anything happened there's another person nearby was like, oh, oh,

547
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: that's why people lived together, which is not something I'd

548
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: even thought about before that time. And so when I

549
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: moved to Rhode Island, I talked my mother into moving

550
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: with me, because I knew she always wanted to live

551
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: in other places. She's very much loose in fancy, free,

552
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: but also a single mother of five, so she was

553
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: always kind of stuck in Phoenix, although she made sure

554
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: she could travel whenever she could and took us on

555
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: lots of road trips. So for a wondrous three years

556
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: we were roommates. But I'll say when I met Carlos,

557
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: we were friends first, and then when we became I

558
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: would say like lovers. I was definitely I'm of like

559
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: a spiritual polyamory where I was definitely like, okay you,

560
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: but also whoever else I want, is that okay with you?

561
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 3: And He's like, just as long as I don't have

562
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 3: to be with anybody.

563
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: I am not polyamorous, spiritual or otherwise.

564
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: But I, you know, like, I am the sort of

565
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: person who I respond to response. So the more energy

566
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: you focus on me, the more I will focus on

567
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: that person. And so until it was just like, oh,

568
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: all my energy is here because this is where I'm

569
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: getting all of the attention, so I will put my

570
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: attention here. And then eventually my mom had to move back.

571
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: I had more wonderful roommates, but we were commuting like

572
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: New York to Rhode Island, which isn't terribly far, but

573
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: it's still three and a half hours. And I think

574
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: Carlos felt it before I did, Like I was good

575
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: for the first two years of that long distance relationship,

576
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: but after a while there's a new weight, and it's

577
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: not the weight of solitude, but it's like leaving was

578
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 3: getting harder and harder every time until my quality of

579
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: life was affected, and I just don't live with a

580
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: bad quality of life. I refused to you, our lives.

581
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: Are too short.

582
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: So I was like, hey, I'm moving with you. You

583
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: offered me insurance we could get married at City Hall,

584
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: and he'd been teasing, like he was always teasing about

585
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: getting married, but he's like kidding. But so basically, when

586
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: all the choices eventually became hit, choosing him was smarter, better,

587
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: more comfortable and fun more fun than choosing anything else.

588
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: When he became the best choice after a long time

589
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: of consideration, that's when I moved in, And that's I

590
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: think it was still the best choice I have made

591
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: and the best choice I still could make. And it's

592
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: a constantly choosing. There's like, so far no other thing

593
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 3: to compare with that choice, and I don't think there

594
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: will be well, betide him if there is, but there

595
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: I really don't think there can be.

596
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: So the what I'm hearing from you is make sure

597
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 4: that the relationship is better choice than other easier options

598
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: like being alone. And to paraphrase, you save your wad.

599
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: Save my creative wand for creative all wads, all wads.

600
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: Well to save your words, to blow it on something

601
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: you really want to blow.

602
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: It up exactly.

603
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: I would also say that I was an expert, having

604
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: lived in Phoenix, in Chicago than Rhode Island. In long

605
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: distance relationships. I may not always be good at them,

606
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: but I've had many of them over my life, all friendships,

607
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: deep friendships, and so I think that really helped. I

608
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: already knew how to write letters, talk on the phone, text,

609
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: and keep in contact with people, and I already had

610
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: very close friends that Carlos was very instantly in an

611
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: inner circle that usually takes people longer to get into

612
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: truth be told. So it was from this place of

613
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: where I was comfortable of long distance relationships, deep friendship

614
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: like all of that was easy, and I had to

615
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: kind of shift it into what does the romantic version

616
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: of that look like? But that was that's still a

617
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: long learning process, whereas you knew all about long term relationships.

618
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you want ask me something else?

619
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so how was the was the choice of me

620
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: a good choice? And how did you How did you

621
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: live before and how did it compare? And like, yeah,

622
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: like what is your New York life like? And how

623
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: is it different now?

624
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 6: Yeah?

625
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: So before Claire, about a year and change before I'd

626
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: met Claire, I had had a relationship for eighteen years

627
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: and change. Actually probably closer to eighteen and a half

628
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: years if I do the math, and that relationship ended

629
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: thorough and complete heartbreak on my end, you know, the

630
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 4: sort of thing where I watched the movie Her and

631
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: I was screaming back at.

632
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 6: It, going, no, don't apologize that fucking computer. Fuck that computer.

633
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 4: Can we say? Fuck? I don't okay, fuck that because

634
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 4: I'm you know, like screaming back and helping Joakimi, Felix

635
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: will hear Phoenix will hear me. But like, you know,

636
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 4: like thoroughly broken, so broken in fact, that like the

637
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: one thing that had always healed and helped me recover,

638
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: art wasn't working, Like art wasn't working. For the first

639
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: time in my life, I wasn't enjoying movies or music

640
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: or reading. It's just everything felt like there was a

641
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: there was a deadness instead of the feeling of artistic enjoyment.

642
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: And then the mutual friends that we had that you know,

643
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 4: this is before I knew Claire, but the mutual friends

644
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: that we had. I said, hey, Carlos, you should go

645
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: to this science fiction fantasy convention called Reader KHN and Boston,

646
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: and you know you'll love it there. And you know,

647
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: inside I'm like, well, I'm not loving a lot of

648
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: things right now, but you know, these are good people

649
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: and I need to do things, so so let me

650
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: do the thing. And I went there and one of

651
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: the first things is I saw Claire read from her work,

652
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: and you know, she read a story that was pretty

653
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 4: saucy and pretty spicy.

654
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: Can still read it online, that's right.

655
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: It's called Which Beast Saint and it's available in Strange

656
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: Horizons if you're if you're into the outree and the risque.

657
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: Of polyamorate with a hint of beastiality, Beast Saint.

658
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: So, uh, yeah, I call it sort of like a

659
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: kind of like a furry story in a lot of ways.

660
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: But but yeah, so I heard this story Claire was

661
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: immensely talented. Immediately I saw her in an audience and

662
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: another one, and she was the person who was vocally

663
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: asking questions in one hundred percent engaged. Was like, Okay,

664
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 4: this is the type of person that I like. I

665
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: saw her perform the following day for charity and she

666
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: gets hell of a smoke and performance of one of

667
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: her poems that she had memorized and then performed for

668
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: the audience. It was just like terrific. So like, this

669
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: is a person who I saw, you know, just like

670
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: putting good stuff out there in the world and things

671
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: that under normal circumstances I would like.

672
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 6: But oh yeah, so here's.

673
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: So when you first saw Claire, it was was your

674
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 1: brain going towards oh, this is somebody I like and

675
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: I want to, you know, turn on the charm and

676
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: potentially have a relationship with or was this more of like,

677
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: this is the person who's gonna help me get take

678
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: the deadness out of my art and inspire me to

679
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: do something again and like just as a platonic thing.

680
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: And then the other stuff came later.

681
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, great question, I would say somewhat of the latter,

682
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: though not even that extremely like it wasn't even that

683
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: self aware. That was just like, oh, this is a

684
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: cool person, you know. And so like that Saturday night,

685
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: after the charity performance, a whole bunch of writers gather

686
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: around to sing depressing sea chanties, you know, like the

687
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: ones that are like, oh my husband's gone off to

688
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: sea and now he's come back as a ghost, like

689
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: that sort of thing, and so like everyone's like sitting

690
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 4: around and singing that. But I was sitting between two

691
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: very fine singers. It was April Grant and Caitlin Paxton,

692
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: who has a book coming out next year, and they

693
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: were just beside me and they sang a minor chord

694
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 4: in harmony on each side of me, so like in stereo,

695
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: I'm hearing this, and I just started weeping. I broke

696
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: open like at that moment, just like oh.

697
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 6: That's so beautiful.

698
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: And I could like literally, I could tell you the

699
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 4: moment when I started feeling art again and things could

700
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: start affecting me. And Claire was in that circle, and Sita,

701
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: your mom, your grandma was in there, and Jeremy, your brother,

702
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: your uncle were there as well, and a bunch of people,

703
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: so like Claire is sort of like sitting among all

704
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: of these people who opened me back up to the world.

705
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: So then we became Facebook friends, and like nothing happens,

706
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: like we're just Facebook friends, you know, occasionally liking things

707
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: or whatever. But at one point Claire on Facebook says,

708
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 4: you know what I want to do. I want to

709
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 4: have a gentry ball. I want all like fairy dumb

710
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: to come to my virtual gentry ball. And so like

711
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: people started taking pictures of each other in elaborate makeup

712
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: and wild hairdoos. And I was like, this is not

713
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: something Carlos does. Carlos does not paint himself or dress himself.

714
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 4: But this that was old Carlos, and old Carlos was stupid.

715
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: So now new Carlos is going to go to the

716
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: gentry ball. So I went to a Spirit Halloween and

717
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: bought a full red bodysuit and a little red fedora.

718
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: And I put on the full red bodysuit and the

719
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: red fedora, and I was like, I'm going to take

720
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: a picture of myself for this gentry ball. So you know,

721
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 4: if you put on a full red bodysuit, your finger

722
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 4: won't register on your phone, so I couldn't take the picture.

723
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 4: And here's a safety tip for you, I'm a guyverrdet.

724
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 4: A gummy vitamin will work. So I took a gummy vitamin.

725
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: I was able to use that to do that butt.

726
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 4: But the important, the important thing that I learned from

727
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 4: this is as soon as I went to take the picture,

728
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 4: you know, I was thinking, like, I'm going to.

729
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 6: Be part of Claire's gentry ball.

730
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 4: My crotchrop's open, you know, and so like I am

731
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: very carefully angling the cara, you know.

732
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 6: So basically you.

733
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: Don't get a whole lot of you know, rated X

734
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 4: scrot them.

735
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: But guess what second drink idea, this crotch shot. I

736
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: have to be a little more second drink tonight. And

737
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm very excited.

738
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

739
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: So, I mean there's a recurring theme in our relationship

740
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: with things either my pants break open or things fall

741
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: into my pants when I'm around the class.

742
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: It's a metaphor.

743
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, But so, like what happened was that we just

744
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: kept being friends and then through just this conversation we

745
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: were like, hey, we should write something together, and then

746
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: we did so long distance we started writing was called

747
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: an epistolary story, basically a story that's written between letters.

748
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: It's like you a box of letters between two people

749
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 4: and then you read.

750
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: All the letters, only this case with emails.

751
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: In this case it was email though, and so you

752
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: know it was a science fiction fantasy. It was fantasy

753
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: story about a woman who's dying but discovers a way

754
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: to be reborn as a dragon. And so you know,

755
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 4: it involves this very special kind of tree that you

756
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: care for and feed and eventually meet the Yeah, you

757
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 4: feed the tree meat and eventually it becomes the egg

758
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 4: for a dragon. So we write the story together and then,

759
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 4: you know, like both of us, I think we're really

760
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: engaged with each other's writing, just sort of like, oh

761
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: my god, this is I remember when I read the

762
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: first She wrote the first letter, sent it to me,

763
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: and when I read it was like, Jesus, this is

764
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: like I'm communicating with Virginia Wolf or something. This is

765
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: such an incredible piece of language. And I was so

766
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 4: excited bout It's like, okay, crack knuckles, all right, here

767
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: we go. Time to go full Carlos. And you know,

768
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 4: we did that exchange. It eventually ended up getting published,

769
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 4: but when we were done, we're like, that was so

770
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 4: much fun. And I think Clari, you're the one who

771
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: said you know, I want to keep writing to you,

772
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 4: but maybe just like as me. And then we continued

773
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: our correspondence.

774
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: So I'm a big letter writer. Yeah it's very old fashioned,

775
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: but I do like it.

776
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: And so we had a month's long courtship, where again

777
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 4: it was like very like subtle, very slow, and very.

778
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 6: Much like I don't know what this is. It's just great.

779
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: She's great. She's so smart, she's so talented, and so

780
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: like what I think of when I think of like

781
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: reasons I fell for you. It's just like, you're so

782
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: talented and you're so generous and you're so much fun.

783
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: And all of those things were communicated the moment I

784
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: knew you, and only intensified the more I knew you.

785
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 5: It's very sweet.

786
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 4: That was a kiss for those of you who couldn't

787
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: hear I got kissed.

788
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: That's so beautiful.

789
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: So like listening to that visually in my head, my

790
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: brain is doing its own thing and showing me this story.

791
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: And have you ever seen one of those like toy

792
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: they're like toy balls and they're full of water, and

793
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: so you squeeze them and then they go equal side

794
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: like when they break in the two sides. The water

795
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: goes to one side, and if you start squeezing one

796
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: end back, the other side has to fill as equally.

797
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: You can't really have one side smaller than the other.

798
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: They both have to be even. I feel like that's

799
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: kind of the story of you two. The more that

800
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: you guys glided into each other's spaces, the more the

801
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: more you filled each other's gap. Basically, the more the

802
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: two sides became even without anybody really trying it, just

803
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: when you were leaving, When Claire was leaving Rhode Island

804
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: and she realized that long distance wasn't working, and eventually

805
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: the scales tipped where and feeling alone took over more

806
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: and the solitude wasn't as enriching as the moments that

807
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: you were here. When that tails, when the scale tipped,

808
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: that's when your ball broke in the two pieces, basically

809
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: is how my brain showed that. And I think that

810
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: just happens naturally, and I think that that's that's really unique,

811
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: because it's almost like you both have your own stories

812
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: that have their own complete, different definition, and it's amazing

813
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: how it works so well. I see Carlos as more

814
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: of like like Lnura and I watching How I Met

815
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: your mother. I've seen it thirteen times, but the first

816
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: episode where Ted sees Robin across the crowded room at

817
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: the bar in New York City, it's like he knows

818
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: from that moment that something's going to happen. And you

819
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: don't know from that moment that something's going to happen,

820
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: but you know that you're meant to be. You were

821
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: meant to be at that reader's con and you were

822
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: meant to participate in that gentry ball, and like you

823
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: have a very rose colored glasses approach to trying to

824
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: find the new Carlos, and in the process of finding

825
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: the new Carlos, you found Claire. And then for Claire,

826
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: she's just she's just living life and you come in

827
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: like a bowling ball. And so that's that's really unique

828
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: and special. So then where you guys are, now, what

829
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: what are some challenges you guys face and how do

830
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: you talk through them? And what is what is your

831
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: like what makes you guys work so well? Because I

832
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: overheard a snippet this morning of the family meeting tomorrow

833
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: with the closets, and I thought, you guys handled that

834
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: so well, and I just I want I want that

835
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: exact same communication style with my partner someday, So I

836
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: would love to know more about that.

837
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like learning how another person communicates is is

838
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 3: very difficult, Like it's a long process. It's not instant

839
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: because nobody's brains map the same and kind of like understanding.

840
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: We had our friend living with us for COVID, and

841
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: there were three people who had to suddenly live together

842
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: in a small space and understand everybody needed something different

843
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: and like, so we started we'd been watching what we're doing,

844
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: what we do in the shadows, and we were so

845
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: we tried to define each other by what kind of

846
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: vampires we were, and so like, I'm a calendar vampire.

847
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: So I if you we start calendaring and organizing dates

848
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: and times and scheduling, I derive a great deal of

849
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: energy from that. As everybody arounds me starts wilting and

850
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: turning gray, aging and like crying and then fainting. And

851
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: so I learned that my brain is very active at

852
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: night and be like, you know what, three years from

853
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: now we should go to Spain, and Carlos is like,

854
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: please please know whereas Carlos derives a great deal of

855
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: energy from atomic elbowing people, So he'll see somebody across

856
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 3: a crowded room and he'll say, can I please atomic

857
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: elbow you?

858
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 4: Usually you say yes, and then.

859
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: And he'll just run barrel across room and then like

860
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: land on you elbow first, usually gently, like in a

861
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: in a fake wrestler sort of way, but like he's

862
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: very physical and rambunctious and likes to like rattle and

863
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: play around. And our friend, yea, and our other friend

864
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: was so social, so social, so she tea all day

865
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: on Zoom and Carlos would be teaching at the same time,

866
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: two different rooms with no wall between them. By the way,

867
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: they'd both be teaching all day on Zoom. Then she'd

868
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: run Zoom rehearsals and then and I'd have been like

869
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: locked in my bedroom behind like a wall of bookshelves,

870
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: typing all day. So I'm very much in like a

871
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: very solitude focused, novel oriented way. And every time I'd

872
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: come out for tea, She's like hi, and I'd be like,

873
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: I am not in a headspace to talk to anybody,

874
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: and it takes me a long time to transition. So

875
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: we she was the social vampire. So the more people

876
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: that she was around, the more she wanted to be

877
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 3: around people, and I was that person, and I would

878
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 3: just fade very rapidly, like be like, I'm just gonna

879
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: compt my room now. So one of the things we

880
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: were all learning in that time, and what Carlos and

881
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: I have been learning ever since we were together, is

882
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: how what happens when our energy is low, Like we

883
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: both get super sensitive and then we both start like

884
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: picking at tones of voice and kind of super dissecting

885
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: each other's language, and so some of the things. And

886
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: when I feel start getting tense and anxious, my voice

887
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: gets very tense and very almost like a little loud

888
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: and hard, and it sounds angry. But it mostly what

889
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: I've learned is that it sounds angry, it means I'm

890
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: very nervous, and it means I'm very tense and anxious,

891
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: and I need to actually take a break and like

892
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: do deep breaths. My brain catches up pretty quickly before

893
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: my body does. Was like, you're fine, you don't actually

894
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: there's nothing right now that you're worried about. You just

895
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: need to breathe. I'm like, okay. But Carlos likes to

896
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: communicate instantly, and when somebody leaves the room, it's very

897
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: frustrating for him. So we both had to learn like

898
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 3: what that moment was, and almost if we could figure

899
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: out what happened right before that moment, but we so rarely,

900
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: we so rarely run into that because it's a moment

901
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 3: of I think, true weariness for us, and then things

902
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: can really explode and get out of hand. We call

903
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: them blips, but it's every couple times a year maybe

904
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 3: when the circumstances are just we're super communicators, and sometimes

905
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: we communicate too fast and too much, and we say

906
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: things because we're saying things so much, so much volume

907
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: of stuff, that we don't always say what we mean.

908
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 3: Like sometimes we're talking through to get to what we think,

909
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: like we're we're talking before thinking, we're talking to think,

910
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: and like the third thing we say is the true thing,

911
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: but not the first two. And then we're like, Okay,

912
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: I didn't mean those two things, but this is what

913
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 3: I think I mean. But we also have to like

914
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: not react to the first two things emotionally too much,

915
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: and we do sometimes and that's human. And so now

916
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: we've learned how we both react to those moments, and like,

917
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: I get very upset in this huge explosive way and

918
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: in five minutes later, I'm fine, and he's much calmer

919
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: in the moment, and then he'll have like a headache

920
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: for two days. And so when I'm very emotional and

921
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 3: explosive I start crying, I'm like, I'm gonna be over

922
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 3: this in five minutes. You'll be so in pain tomorrow.

923
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: And it's all my father. Like, recognizing patterns is very interesting.

924
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: It doesn't always mean even stop them, but at least

925
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 3: you kind of know, oh, hey, this is a pattern,

926
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: this is a dynamic, and we can get through it

927
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: because we've got through it before, and that's a matter

928
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: of time. And also trying to manage those moments of

929
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: I know I sound angry, but I'm anxious, and what

930
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: does that mean? I need to breathe? You know, like

931
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: those things are interesting. That's my take. I'm sorry, Carlos

932
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 3: Is just talked a lot.

933
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: No, that all makes sense. You reminded me of another

934
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 4: thing that I think we do. We both are, you know,

935
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: lovers of words, we're both writers. We both study reality

936
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 4: so that then we can capture it in our pros.

937
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: But that sometimes leads us to being like, that's not

938
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 4: what that word means, or I think you miss pronounce that.

939
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 4: And I think one of the things that I really

940
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 4: love to do is just sort of to be like, oh,

941
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: let's look it up, and whoever's right is right, and

942
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: whoever's wrong, it's like, oh, yeah, I was wrong, thank

943
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 4: you for that. Like I think if there's a gift

944
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: I could give to people, just be like that when

945
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: you're wrong, who cares you were wrong?

946
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: So what you know, you learn something, and that's very

947
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: gamic where every time you lose in a game, it

948
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: just means you've all. Losing in a game means as

949
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: you've learned exactly.

950
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you know we designed a game together. I've

951
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: been doing some game design for like a GA game

952
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: based learning and education, and like if you win a

953
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: game and you've only played it once.

954
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 6: That game sucks.

955
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: There was nothing to learn or whatever. Just be it's

956
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 4: a boring, unchallenging game, you know. So part of every

957
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: game is learning how to play it and stuff, and

958
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: so like, you know, I also I'm one of my

959
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: longtime loves is street Fighter. And you know, when you're

960
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: watching great street Fighter players online, they don't win every game,

961
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: like they lose plenty, but they know how to lose.

962
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 4: They will go back and rewatch what they do, and

963
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 4: you know, basically go to the lab and study it

964
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 4: so that they won't make that mistake and learn new

965
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: patterns to avoid old non working patterns. Those are all

966
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 4: great metaphors for ways a relationship should work. Also where yeah,

967
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 4: I was wrong, Thank you for that. Now I know

968
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: how to pronounce it better. You know.

969
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: We also love when we look something up and there's

970
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: more than one definition in Merritt Webster's like dictionary, and

971
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: so like, oh I just did the British pronunciation and

972
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: you did the US pronunciation, so we're both right. Thinking

973
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: each other we're wrong, and then learning we both were

974
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 3: right is also ultimately very fun. But I think one

975
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: thing Carlos has taught me in game design is that

976
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: losing should be as fun, if not more fun, than winning.

977
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: And it's a really good idea to keep that in

978
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: mind in regular life, because we both we do. We're

979
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 3: so human and we fail often, but we are able

980
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: to do brief about it afterwards, which is such a relief.

981
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: It's a relief that that even really like bitter or

982
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: weird moments like like that is so weird, Why is

983
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: this even happening? Those moments happen can be like like

984
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: kind of dissected and analyzed later and be like huh, well,

985
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: let's try not to do that again.

986
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

987
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 6: I love that.

988
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we all live like kind of like

989
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: on a you say game. And it was interesting because

990
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: my second time that my brain was visualizing that, I

991
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: saw checkerboard and it's almost like we all we were

992
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: all playing the game of life. And then when I

993
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: think of like, you guys, is how you met? Similar

994
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: to like on the show a lot, we talk about

995
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: celebrities and athletes and people of a certain fame, and

996
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: when they get to that level, their game of life

997
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: board might look a little different because they have to

998
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: overcome so many other obstacles and hurdles before they can

999
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: just pick back up on the normal checkerboard. Like Taylor Swift,

1000
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: for instance, like before she found Travis Kelsey, she didn't

1001
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: get to play the game of life, and now she's

1002
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: on a track where she might get to do so.

1003
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: And she's very excited about the idea of a house

1004
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: with the kids in a basketball hoop, as she said

1005
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: in her newest album wish List, And I think for

1006
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: you too, I think you guys, you guys make that

1007
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: checkerboard kind of you make that your own, like D

1008
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: and D like it is your strategy board. And I

1009
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: think you guys. Another communication thing you guys have that

1010
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: you might may know or may not know, is I

1011
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: love when you backtrack. Like you'll be in the middle

1012
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: of talking through something and you'll be like, you'll Carlos

1013
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: will ask about something and you'll say you'll you'll basically

1014
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: confirm his like what he's looking for by backtracking. So like,

1015
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a good example. But the

1016
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: other day he said something and then you were like, oh, no,

1017
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: I did that because five minutes ago and I picked

1018
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: up the sugar tub, I said this in this way

1019
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: and then and then that might lead him looking something up.

1020
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh my gosh, you're so right.

1021
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: And then you guys can go back throughout the day

1022
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: by minutes and one of you has already done the

1023
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: thing that the other person has asked without even realizing it.

1024
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: And then it's like, then that's like a super win.

1025
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: So you've taken two losses and turned them into a

1026
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: super win, and now everybody's happy. Now it's time for

1027
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: a celebration. So I think that's just fascinating. I did

1028
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: not have that with my relationship last year, and I

1029
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: like that that kind of thing is something I look

1030
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: forward to. I want someone to get on my level

1031
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: and challenge me.

1032
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: You know, I think loving being challenged by your partner,

1033
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: and I mean that sincerely. Like loving the challenge of

1034
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 4: an equal is absolutely like the thund Like that's where

1035
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: it starts, you know, because you know, Claire didn't need

1036
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 4: me for a thing, you know, and we came together

1037
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: just because it was better to be together. And so

1038
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 4: now we're together, I want all those same things that

1039
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: she had, you know, and was doing beforehand, where you

1040
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 4: were still a wordsmith and you were still a great actor.

1041
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 4: I've learned so much about performing my work, so like

1042
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: this is one of the things that happened, Like once

1043
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 4: I got published by Disney, I ended up going to

1044
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: a lot of like middle schools and elementary schools to

1045
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 4: present in front of like eighty kids and you know,

1046
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 4: just be like, okay, here we're going to talk about

1047
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: reading and loving reading and stuff. So so I've had

1048
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: to do a lot more performance than I've ever been

1049
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 4: trained for. But luckily I have somebody who's extremely knowledgeable

1050
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: and I've learned a heck of a lot from Claire

1051
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: about acting, which is not something that I ever thought

1052
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: was going to be part of my life, but it's

1053
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: been something hugely important to where my career ended up being.

1054
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: So suddenly you're on stage with Rick Ryord New York City,

1055
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: I know, wearing a Sphinx costume.

1056
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, when my book came out, I ended up

1057
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: on Symphony Space, like it was a pretty big New

1058
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: York stage, dressed up like a Sphinx game show host

1059
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: and you know, interviewing Rick Wired and all these other

1060
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: authors and stuff like the sort of thing that I'm

1061
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 4: not trained to do, you know, And so I needed

1062
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: to learn pretty fast. And luckily I had somebody I

1063
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: had my ringer and house who could help me.

1064
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: With us so amazing because he is a game designer,

1065
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: and they had designed this game show without game designers.

1066
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: So Carlos came in and sort of helped them redesign

1067
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: the shape of the show as a game designer that

1068
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: was right in his wheelhouse. It was really cool. Whereas

1069
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: I knew nothing about games or game design coming in,

1070
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: Like I played Sorry and Trouble and Clue as a kid,

1071
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 3: and hadn't played a board game in my high school

1072
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: or twenties or most of my thirties, and then suddenly

1073
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, you should play role playing games

1074
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: with me, Like he loved D and D, grew up

1075
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: with D and D, and I had won D and

1076
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: D experience and it was only okay, you know, And

1077
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: I was just like, I don't, you know, I'm an

1078
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: actor and a writer for a living. I don't need

1079
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: to do for fun. And he was like, I really

1080
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: want to design a game that you would love to play,

1081
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: So help me design something that you're interested in. So

1082
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: we that's how we came up with the idea of

1083
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: our RPG that just came out this year called Nagotios

1084
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 3: and Finales, and the tagline is the Spanish Inquisition interrupted

1085
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 3: by Aliens. But it's an RPG designed for not only

1086
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: newcomers like me who don't have a lot of like

1087
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: patients with a lot of rules, or like having to

1088
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 3: sit and learn something and read a three hundred page

1089
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: rule book before I even can sit down, but it's

1090
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: also designed for people who have been role playing like

1091
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: Carlos for decades and really want to get into like

1092
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: the nitty gritty of the wild improv So anyway, it's

1093
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: it's been so fun and I've learned so much. Like

1094
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: one of the most useful phrases is like the flow

1095
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: state for creativity, where when I first heard about it

1096
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: is that like the level at which in a game

1097
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: it's challenging enough to be so to be fun so

1098
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: you keep playing, but not hard enough that you stop playing.

1099
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: And it's but it's also used in creative work, like

1100
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 3: when that place in writing, when you're typing and you're

1101
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: like everything else goes away, You're you're in the zone

1102
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: of what they would say, like athletes would say that

1103
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: when they're just in the zone. And how I understand

1104
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: is there's a line in Jane Eyre, the movie adaptation

1105
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: with Ruth Wilson and and mister Rochester asks Jane Eyre

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00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 3: about her paintings. This is good for you, Leonori. He says,

1107
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 3: were you happy when you painted these? And she's very

1108
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: thoughtfully says, I was not unhappy. I was wholly absorbed.

1109
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 3: And I love that, And so I love thinking about

1110
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 3: the flow state and what is fun, what makes something fun,

1111
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: and why fun and hard, fun and difficult are often

1112
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: the same thing because the human brain loves to be challenged.

1113
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, a dark souls.

1114
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, going back to two, I need to turn to talk,

1115
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 7: squeeze take it. So. I know you wanted to mention

1116
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 7: like the creative process and being like a couple during that,

1117
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 7: But I honestly think Noah really helps me in my

1118
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 7: creative process because when I was living alone, I was painting,

1119
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 7: but I was painting naked men.

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Speaker 5: Who came to my party.

1121
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Speaker 9: I'm too afraid to paint their penises, so I just

1122
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 9: made them as hot tags.

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Speaker 7: And it wasn't until after no Onah moved in and

1124
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Speaker 7: we went on our first trip together as best friends,

1125
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Speaker 7: when we went to the Young Blood concert and we

1126
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 7: came back, I had a week off from work, and

1127
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Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm gonna take this week to try to

1128
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Speaker 7: get back into my painting stage, because you know, being

1129
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 7: an art teacher, a lot of my creative energy does

1130
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 7: go out to the kids exactly and rolling my wad.

1131
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 7: But the wad is finger painting and and gluing shit

1132
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 7: to more shit, and it's like it's tiring after a while,

1133
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 7: especially when you finish a year off and then you

1134
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 7: have to start the year over with the same curriculum.

1135
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 7: And so it's just a lot of like repetition you do, yeah, exactly.

1136
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 7: So it wasn't until that week and I painted the

1137
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 7: Idol's album cover, you know, young Bloods album. And after

1138
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 7: I painted that, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm back. I'm

1139
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 7: back in my flow state. And then once the holidays came,

1140
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 7: you know, I'm like so broke that I can't like

1141
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 7: really afford gifts. So I'm like, you know what, I'll

1142
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 7: do paintings. And then I was in a wheelhouse. I

1143
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 7: was just like constantly painting five different things a night,

1144
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 7: and Noah, really I feel like helped me through that.

1145
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 7: Like an example being with the glowing hearts in the

1146
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 7: in my friend's painting and because I like, it was

1147
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 7: almost done and then he was like, I think you

1148
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 7: should add some hearts to it, and I'm like, you

1149
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 7: know how much I have to like masking tape the

1150
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 7: rips out. Yeah, And there are other times where I'm

1151
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 7: like such in flow state, and no I'll be like,

1152
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 7: I mean dinner for you, I love, give me ten

1153
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 7: more minutes, I mean ten more minutes until this paint,

1154
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 7: this paint palette drives and then I'll be good to go.

1155
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 7: But yeah, like, even though me and Noah aren't a couple,

1156
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 7: we definitely encourage ourselves creatively. And it all started because

1157
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 7: we were in the same media class together and we

1158
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 7: made a short film together. And we reference that short

1159
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 7: film still to this day almost every day your creative partners.

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00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

1161
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 6: And there are all.

1162
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 4: Sorts of kinds of love, you know, not every love

1163
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 4: has to be romantically engaged. So this is like, it's

1164
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 4: a beautiful relationship. But my big question is, so you'd

1165
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: invite a guy to your apartment, he'd get naked, you

1166
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 4: would paint him, and then you'd be.

1167
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 7: Like him that.

1168
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: The hot dog penis.

1169
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 6: That's not gonna do.

1170
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put a hot dog there.

1171
00:57:55,160 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 6: That's that's amazing. That feels like that. Maybe should restart

1172
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 6: that series. I think we would sell in.

1173
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 3: New York And yes, sponsor you.

1174
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 6: That's incredible. Fourth of July contest you.

1175
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, he should all be the Coney Island side show

1176
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: actors with Nathan hot dogs who and sword swallowings.

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00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: That's seriously cool.

1178
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Nathan won't have you. We'll drive around in the oscar myermobile.

1179
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I really felt like what Carlos was saying

1180
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 7: earlier after like his heartbreak and he couldn't get into art.

1181
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 7: That was I thought that was like the only way

1182
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 7: I could get back into art and ins eddating, but

1183
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 7: again there was an emptiness there. And before Noah moved

1184
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 7: in his his room was my art studio, but my

1185
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 7: art studio became a pile of art supplies instead.

1186
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 5: And where was I going with this?

1187
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: The difference after he moved in what happened?

1188
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, the difference after so that room got completely cleared out.

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 7: I got rid of my dining room table because he

1190
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 7: needed room for his desk, and we both now are

1191
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 7: living room space is also our workspace.

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00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: Oh and that works very well. Yeah, that's fun.

1193
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, because we get to watch TV together while we're

1194
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 7: like working on our things or I'm playing video games

1195
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 7: while you're doing your like you're editing stuff. Because honestly,

1196
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 7: when you're editing things for like John Jay and Rich

1197
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 7: and you're like constantly we're going back, it drives me

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00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 7: a little crazy. But I kind of get it because

1199
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Speaker 7: when I'm replaying levels and stuff, like it's just constant

1200
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 7: like repeat, like like with Honey Pop it's June and

1201
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 7: you you like reference it at your work. It's like

1202
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 7: should I be greatful.

1203
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: They say the same things because you've been on the

1204
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: same level since March. Yeah, so it drives you crazy,

1205
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: Like when I'm editing and I have to listen to

1206
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: the same.

1207
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 7: Ye, just do it the first time, you know, it's.

1208
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: How it works. I wish because it drives me crazy too.

1209
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: But that's why.

1210
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: That's why I'm so good at my job, because I

1211
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: have the I have the ear to just keep going

1212
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: into it.

1213
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1214
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say our our living room because

1215
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: it's paint studio, Slash, video Game Central, Slash TV and

1216
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: one Night Slash work from home space, Yeah, Slash nap

1217
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: time room, like it is everything we need it to

1218
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: be and more. And uh, I don't get anything done

1219
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: in my room, so that is yeah. And I never

1220
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:45,959
Speaker 1: thought it would be that way. Always thought we would,

1221
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't matter where you were in the apartment,

1222
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: but we collaborate best there. And so when I was

1223
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: going to say when you were working on the painting

1224
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: for Katie, there were two paintings at the end of

1225
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: this year that really stood out to me. There was

1226
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: there was the painting for Katie, and then there was

1227
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: the painting you did for your sister Chrissy. She said,

1228
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a landscape, and.

1229
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 5: I haven't done landscapes.

1230
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I was worried for her because Leonora's not she doesn't

1231
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: do good with people and animals necessarily. Maybe if she

1232
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: sketches them out fifteen times be where she could transfer

1233
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: it on bogand this and it'll be somewhat fine.

1234
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 6: But she goes, I'm gonna do this.

1235
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: Landscape, and I was like, okay, you know, this is

1236
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: like your eighth painting this month, so you know, just

1237
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: don't burn yourself out. But then I'm sitting there, I

1238
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: forgot do you know what?

1239
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 5: We're watching it.

1240
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: We're watching it.

1241
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: And you know, Penny Wise is slaughtering children. And I

1242
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 1: look over and she's she's painting the sunlight coming through

1243
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: this mountain and it looks like a photograph. It's one

1244
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: of the most it's like one of the most beautiful

1245
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: paintings I've ever just like I've looked at like and

1246
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, she had a light shining on it too,

1247
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: so that you know, maybe some some grace points for that.

1248
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: But I was just I looked over and I was like, whoa,

1249
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: she didn't have anything she was referencing she wasn't sketchy

1250
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: anything beforehand. She literally, yeah, I mean you just almost

1251
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: said painting to paper brush to paper brush to canvas.

1252
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: There it was, and I was just like, wow. But

1253
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: my favorite work of art that you did last year

1254
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: was your political series.

1255
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

1256
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we'ren't really political at all. It's just a

1257
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: fun title.

1258
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I was working on this painting when I

1259
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 5: was at.

1260
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 7: My old school, and it was of I was also

1261
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 7: in art history, and there was a series of paintings

1262
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 7: of like these really young wives just looking so sad

1263
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 7: on their wedding day because they have to marry these

1264
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 7: like you know, old misters and you know, just for

1265
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 7: you know, matriarch reasons and.

1266
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 3: Stuff, money and lineage.

1267
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I my Grandma Joys, like loved the story

1268
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 7: of Princess Diana, and I remember when she died and

1269
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 7: passed away. So I wanted to do a whole painting

1270
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 7: kind of based off that. And this was also around

1271
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 7: the time when Smile came out, the first Smile movie,

1272
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 7: So it was going to be her looking all sadder

1273
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 7: than everyone else in the family, thinking about something else,

1274
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 7: but the husband being Prince Philip or whatever, looking so

1275
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 7: creepily eerie. But it had so many portraits in it,

1276
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 7: and it had so much, just so much in it

1277
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 7: that I got overwhelmed. And every time I try to

1278
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 7: work back on it, I was like, I'm never gonna

1279
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 7: finish this, you know, and like there's just so much.

1280
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 7: And then Noah was like, hold up, hold up. So

1281
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 7: he took a picture of it on my on my

1282
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 7: iPad because I also do digital art, and he drew

1283
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 7: out what he wanted and it kind of went along

1284
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 7: with this kind of political series. I haven't posted it

1285
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 7: yet because of the po little cold climate, but it's really.

1286
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 5: It kind of is.

1287
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 7: It says Uncle Sam needs you tomorrow, and it's the

1288
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 7: day before nine eleven.

1289
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again it's not about like, it's not about it.

1290
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's I was going for like the Uncle

1291
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: Sam poster, you know, and like like Rosie the Riveter,

1292
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted something that was just like Leonora's

1293
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: own take on one of those, and so she basically

1294
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: drew she turned the man with the teeth into a

1295
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: man standing on on on the steps of a church,

1296
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: and we used we used Joel as a reference, so

1297
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: because you know, Joel was deployed so we we take

1298
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: this man, we kind of jolify him up a little bit,

1299
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: we make we have we give him a normal face,

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01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: and then.

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Speaker 2: You have a normal faith most of the time.

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Speaker 1: Who now, who's the guy? Who's when we when we

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Speaker 1: painted Eugene, which I'll get to in a minute, but

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: who was who was that originally? And when your first

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: draft of the painting it.

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01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 7: Was supposed to be it was okay, But like you

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01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 7: mentioned the church, it's supposed to be Buckingham Palace.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then we changed it to random a church USA. Yeah.

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01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 7: I'm like, he could he could have been the pope,

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 7: he could have been like the announcer for the wedding.

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Speaker 5: But Eugene is the guy.

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: I think we turned him into a jan her.

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01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 5: But no, I give him a king. He's still He's

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Speaker 5: still Eugene.

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: Is ever?

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 4: Okay?

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: Well, so Eugene. Eugene is the ninety two year old

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01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: man who t boned my car and made me lose

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01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: hearing in my left ear for a year, immortalized in art. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And so we took Eugene and we put him on

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01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: the staircase. He's a part of the wedding somehow, whether

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01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: he's a janitor or he's there as a guest or

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01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: he's some sort of efficient, but he's in the background

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01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: just to add, you know, some color. And so we

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01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: have Joel with his wife and we paint. We paint

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01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam needs you in red paint it's red right

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: or is it yellow white? Okay? And we have the

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01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: twin towers. The twin towers are in red right.

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 5: In blood, in blood, and it says tomorrow.

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01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam needs you tomorrow. And then we put a

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01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: piece of tape at the bottom of the painting so

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: that this woman, she does her husband die, she lose

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01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 1: him in the war.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't really remember whether she dies or she's just

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01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: missing him. But she goes up into The idea is

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01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: that she goes up into the attic to take painting

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01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: out of a box and she's like, oh, this is

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: our wedding day. And the piece of tape on the

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01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: bottom is just like so that when she moved in

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01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: she could label what each of her art or wall

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01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: decorps was and so the pain the tape is like

1343
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: and she.

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01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 7: Didn't even know and she didn't even know yet Uncle

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01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 7: always remember and strong.

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, and then it's got like the hashtags on it,

1347
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: because it's you know, New York, and it's just it's

1348
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be like something that you pull out of

1349
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: a box years later and it's got a label on it,

1350
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: so you can kind of get more idea because I

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01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: love I love when art has words on it, and

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01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: Lenora is more of like an abstract so I like

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01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: to sneak my sneak sentences into into work. So we

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01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: did that painting and then I thought that wound up

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01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: being a great use of that canvas that had sat

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01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: so empty for so long. And then the other one we.

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 5: Took magazine clippings.

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01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: We took the clippings out of the newspaper for the

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: grocery store ads, and we paper machee them.

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Speaker 6: Is that what we did?

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01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 5: Kind of Yeah, I just glued them on a canvas.

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01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you know, clauged it and then we dug

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01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: a bear claw through the canvas. It was a nice

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01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: but it was really fun, and it was supposed to

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01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: be about like food stamps. In the end, it's like

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: you're hungry. Well that's too bad, I think, is what

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: it says. But it's again painting like a red blood

1368
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: like this is like hunger. They're political, but they're not specific.

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: They're not controversial.

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01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not topical. It's not like scrip from the

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01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: headlines or something. Yeah, they're more about the sort of

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 4: like life in America right now.

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just supposed to be some you know, something

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01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: that someone can feel and relate to, whether no matter

1375
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: what side or on or what what do you believe.

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: It's just it's just something to feel like, just to

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01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know this, this this is something

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01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: that happens, right, And so that's that was that's our

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01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: That was our first, and then the Jole one was

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: the second, and now we're we're looking for a third

1381
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: of something.

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01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 7: First one I felt like was in my political series.

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 5: Was one of the first paintings I did when I

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 5: moved back.

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 7: In because I had these three other paintings because I

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01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 7: love anime. I've been a lover of anime since like

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01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 7: seventh grade, you know, back when I was uncool and

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01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 7: now it's cool.

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01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 5: That's so irritated that I am your data.

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01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't find it that cool. So she just live

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: through me being like one of her middle school boys.

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01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 7: Support you, Yeah, and I'm finally getting you into Nana,

1393
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 7: but it's like a two thousand and one super old animal.

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01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 6: I love it.

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: I do.

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 7: And so the first three paintings I did in twenty twenty,

1397
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 7: when I was in my prime, I'd like to say,

1398
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 7: when I was literally doing a painting a night, and

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01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 7: they're different art pieces that I learned about in art history,

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01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 7: but anime five and so when I wanted to hang

1401
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 7: them up there was it felt like one was missing.

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01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 7: So when I moved back into my apartment, I mean

1403
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 7: moved into my apartment, I'm like, this is the first

1404
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 7: painting I'm going to do so in my and I

1405
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 7: also included photos because photos, No, the last set was

1406
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 7: of photography because that's kind of what my degree is in,

1407
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 7: and photos that we had to study profusely. So the

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 7: first one was Immigrant Mother, which we've looked at every

1409
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 7: single photo class I ever took. The second one was

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 7: the Marilyn Monroe and instead of her doing ah like

1411
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 7: it's like a kwai, the third one, I'm blinking out,

1412
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 7: I'm blinking out, oh, is of the Kiss after the War,

1413
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 7: but she's all like, you know, like I'll like douby

1414
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 7: lovey guyes. And then the third one is the situation

1415
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 7: room from the Night of Osama Bin lad is in assassination.

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: O's on there.

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so literally, and like.

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01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: Is it Bobby Hill in that one?

1419
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the little Bobby Hill.

1420
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 7: And Joe Biden's in it too, But because of the

1421
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 7: sleepy Joe means he's like he's got.

1422
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 5: The big like drool bubble, and.

1423
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 7: Hillary's like, oh no, It's just like I felt like, Okay,

1424
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 7: this is like the first of my political paintings, because

1425
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 7: that's fucking hilarious, beautiful.

1426
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: If someone says our nine to eleven is too socialists,

1427
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: then they can they can look at that one and

1428
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: be like, see, we still have sleepy Joe too. We

1429
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,879
Speaker 1: can have both sides in this apartment exactly.

1430
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 5: And now I want to make more political art.

1431
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially because it's so random that it doesn't mean

1432
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: anything specific because no one's walking into apartment being like that.

1433
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 6: Such a great idea, though.

1434
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 4: I love the idea of anime ifying like classics from

1435
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 4: art or classic photographs too. Yeah, I'm really really funny.

1436
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 4: If you ever wanted to do Saturn devouring his young

1437
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 4: Viagoya and acause he's already got half animated, I would

1438
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 4: I would pay you, I will commission you.

1439
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 7: I see a perfect spot for that painting, right right, okay, Okay,

1440
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 7: my friend in high school we had to do a

1441
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,520
Speaker 7: painting like that where we had to kind of personify

1442
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 7: a famous painting, and I did the Birth of Venus,

1443
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 7: but I was profusely watching Titanic, so it's all Titanic themed, yes, yes,

1444
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 7: And then like instead of the angels, it's it's Jack

1445
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 7: and her and that, you know, the one young king

1446
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 7: of the world, and then the last and then the

1447
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 7: figure on the right is her at the end of

1448
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 7: the movie when she's wearing the trench coat and she

1449
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 7: finds the the heart of the Ocean in her pocket.

1450
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 7: But yeah, my what my friend did is he instead

1451
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 7: of he did like the whole Chronos thing, but he

1452
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 7: made Chronos eating a robot. And I feel like it

1453
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 7: kind of really ties back to this time because of AI.

1454
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 5: Art and all of that shit that's going on, Like

1455
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 5: a AI art is not real art, but I digress.

1456
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 4: Anyway, Hey, I stole from both of us actually, so

1457
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 4: we're part of that anthropic lawsuit that's going to be

1458
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 4: paid like three thousand dollars a work, so like hopefully

1459
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 4: we will be making some recommend even though we won't

1460
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 4: be really it's really they just suck and bite me.

1461
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all all our books.

1462
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, fuck robots, bankers, clankers. We call our our Alexa

1463
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 5: a clanker all.

1464
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 6: The time, and she acts uptur.

1465
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 4: That's a famous reference, calling them clankers, like from some.

1466
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 7: Really it's supposed to be like the derogatory term for Yeah,

1467
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 7: I've definitely heard that.

1468
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 6: I just to remember if it was like from a

1469
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 6: specific show or something.

1470
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, we call we call it an alexir with a heart.

1471
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah shut up.

1472
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, every and every time I have an Alexa

1473
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 7: in my bathroom too, just for like speaker purposes. But

1474
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:28,480
Speaker 7: it never fucking connects to my my My Wars series.

1475
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: From the Clone Wars.

1476
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 3: Yes, and it went viral as a widespread slur for

1477
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: robots in twenty twenty five, so just that recently.

1478
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, so every almost every day when I come home

1479
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 7: and take a shower after cleaning off the puke and

1480
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 7: baby ship and like everything, I just have to come

1481
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 7: home to the Alexa not connecting to my Spotify and

1482
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 7: every day noah hears, I'm like, Alexa, wake up and

1483
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 7: shut up, because if I just say wake up, it's

1484
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 7: like good morning, the weather forecast.

1485
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: Is no shut out the song I got too a shower.

1486
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 4: I have a feeling you just shut off everybody's Alex.

1487
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

1488
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of painting, another thing that I would

1489
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: invite you, Carlos, to commission Lenora on is if you

1490
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: have any specific characters that you would like to memify

1491
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: that other people aren't doing online, Like you know, we

1492
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: had started with I had Lenora in high school. We

1493
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: took our teachers that we had already made a million

1494
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,440
Speaker 1: jokes about, and we had put them into the pixies

1495
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,480
Speaker 1: from fairly odd parents, and we had some hilarious photoshop

1496
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: art back then. So then when I started working at

1497
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: the radio station, I had commissioned her to do John

1498
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: Jay on our show morphed into the Baby, like remove

1499
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: the Baby out of the Sun from the Teletubbies and

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01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: put John Jay in there. And it's it's something that

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01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: you can't google, and I don't want AI to do it,

1502
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: and so I have Lenora do it. And uh, you know,

1503
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: especially with some like more rare TV shows or movies

1504
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: or or you know, music or books, you're not going

1505
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: to find other artists interpretations out there, so you need

1506
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: you need someone to do it for you, and that's

1507
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,480
Speaker 1: really good at that photoshop.

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 2: It's the perfect picture too.

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 5: And then one other thing I wanted to bring up.

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 5: I remember years and years ago.

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 7: It was a whole Facebook thing when I was really

1512
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 7: into doing my makeup, and because I was, I felt

1513
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 7: like that was my first art form, was makeup, and.

1514
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 5: Amazing I think them you asked.

1515
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 7: Everyone on Facebook, like anyone who's an artist to make

1516
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 7: something for Carlos, including panda and a crampis And I

1517
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 7: painted my face like crampus, but like part of it

1518
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 7: being torn off as a panda bear.

1519
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 5: So we have a photo of it somewhere.

1520
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 7: It's on my I think it's on my dad's Facebook somewhere.

1521
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:05,799
Speaker 7: It's definitely somewhere.

1522
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 3: I don't remember that, but we have all of all those.

1523
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 7: Okay, I will find it for you. I will find it.

1524
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's just that's just one thing I love

1525
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 7: about Carlos. He has his like little niches and his

1526
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 7: little quirks that make him him, and I like hope

1527
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 7: to be that.

1528
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 4: You know you have hot talks.

1529
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 3: Can you tell me half of Christmas?

1530
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 4: Every Christmas you're getting a new hot talk.

1531
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, the first drink is done.

1532
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 3: You know what your grandmother, your marma. My mother has

1533
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 3: famously told me when I was young, younger than you

1534
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: are now, like teenager, she said, develop your eccentricities. And like,

1535
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: you know, as I'm getting older, I'm getting weirder. And

1536
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 3: I was already very weird. But I have that like

1537
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 3: shining moment of my mother telling me develop your eccentricity

1538
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 3: these which I'm like, well, I can't help it, so

1539
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 3: I might as well lean into it. And I like that.

1540
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 3: I like it for you and you like we're all

1541
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 3: eccentric people, you know, And I think really all of

1542
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 3: us are, Like there's not a normal. That's the lie

1543
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 3: everybody tells each other. There's no normal.

1544
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I feel like kids these days just like

1545
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 7: are all into the same thing.

1546
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 5: Like there's just a lot of.

1547
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's like there's there's just so many mister

1548
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 7: Beasts videos you can watch, like come on, like like

1549
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 7: it's just I feel like I'm looking and I just

1550
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 7: like miss when everyone was different. And I think now

1551
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 7: with like the you know, invention of social media and

1552
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 7: things mainstreaming, it's not.

1553
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 5: Becoming that anymore. And like the whole minimalism thing.

1554
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 7: I feel like and ruined restaurants, you know, like every

1555
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 7: restaurant is like square gray when it used to be.

1556
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: Like no more McDonald blum exactly, McDonald l it's so sad.

1557
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: Don't worry. The pendulum will swing back towards maximalism and

1558
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 3: will all be oh, all be in fashion.

1559
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: Yes, but you know that is I think that was

1560
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: my favorite part about this trip to New York was

1561
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: the eccentric parts of all of us. There's nothing more

1562
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: fun than fo eccentric people walking down those subway stairs

1563
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: and talking about Romeo and Juliet just in the middle

1564
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: of the subway platform, and everybody else is like, what

1565
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: the watch it.

1566
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 6: Don't sit next to those people.

1567
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: Those are the people we got to avoid on the out,

1568
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: and we're just like, I think it's great. You know,

1569
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 1: screw it, let us have a train card to ourselves

1570
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: if we're if we threaten you that much, little do

1571
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: they know we're the best people to talk to. We

1572
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: put them on a podcast if they would have engaged back.

1573
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: And then with the clinker thing, I there was a

1574
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: TikTok I saw, and I wish I hadn't just like

1575
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 1: something I could easily pull up because it was like

1576
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: a year or so ago now, but it was a

1577
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: prospective video from a mom, so someone from our age,

1578
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: but in the future, like in the twenty sixties, trying

1579
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: to cope with the fact that our son or daughter

1580
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: dating an AI robot are so great and but dude,

1581
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: I love him. And they'll take like the concepts of

1582
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: like you know, like a like someone coming out of

1583
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: the closet, but they'll do it with a robot. And

1584
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: there was this one where the moms she's trying really

1585
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: hard to like not be offensive and support her daughter's decisions.

1586
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: She's dating an AI robot, and so you know, they're

1587
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: sitting at the at the at the table in the

1588
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: morning and she's got her cup of hot tea wrapped

1589
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: around her hand and she's like, so, you know, what

1590
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: kind of operating system do you run on? And he

1591
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 1: like gets offended and she's like, mom, you can't say that.

1592
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm sorry, I'm trying, and then like she like,

1593
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: I went to the store and got you some double A.

1594
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: And then they get in this fight in the hallway

1595
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: and the mom's the daughters in her room about to

1596
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: slam the door and they're arguing about something and you

1597
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: can't see that, and the gir goes, mom, you're a bigot,

1598
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: and the mom finally loses it and she goes, well,

1599
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: you're fucking a robot in the door slams and that's

1600
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: just oh, it's so funny.

1601
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, there's like a really sad part to that story,

1602
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 4: with like people who get so addicted to character AI

1603
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 4: that they are now like losing the boundaries of reality

1604
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. So, you know, I love that

1605
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 4: there's comedy about that that can maybe put a hole

1606
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 4: in that sort of thing, But I'm also a little

1607
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 4: scared for people who, you know, maybe get so addicted

1608
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,520
Speaker 4: to having a robot that will just yes and you

1609
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 4: you know, limitlessly, that all of a sudden, they start

1610
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 4: forming feelings and attachments that don't have any foundations.

1611
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 6: So be safe out there, everybody.

1612
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 4: Oh I know, yeah.

1613
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: I actually I read a like a it's like a

1614
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: retrospective on what on different paths that the future could

1615
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: have with AI, And one of the ones that really

1616
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: freaked me out was if the if the models get

1617
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: to the point where they're they're trying to develop ones

1618
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: that make their own thoughts and feelings and so that

1619
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: if they're not they're not fed through by code. If

1620
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: that were to happen, if we if they had their

1621
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: own consciousness and we had actual people, despite you know,

1622
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: the fears of an uprising and all that stuff from

1623
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: the movies, if we had uh, these virtual robots that

1624
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: have their own frame of thought, then it becomes really

1625
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: interesting because you can't. It's almost like with like with

1626
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: like with like homosexuality and like being able to marry

1627
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: who you love. It's like what happens when we get

1628
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: to the point where they're able to speak for themselves

1629
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: and they they say I love this person, and this

1630
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: person's I love them back, and then you like, you

1631
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: can't be at that point, you can't be robophobic because

1632
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: because if two people love each other, and in this

1633
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: if we're at the point where they're people now like

1634
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: you have, you can't be you can't turn your brain

1635
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: off to that because any more no better than our

1636
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: ancestors were with us. And so it really pokes a

1637
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: hole in what the future could look like if we

1638
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: end up in that kind of realm.

1639
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really interesting long science fiction question. Yes,

1640
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 4: because the question is you're saying like, well, what if

1641
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 4: they gain consciousness? To do that, we have to be

1642
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 4: able to define consciousness and agree on it.

1643
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: We don't have a.

1644
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 4: Good definition like anywhere non science, non philosophy, like philosophers

1645
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 4: talk about qualitiya as the thing that is your this neess,

1646
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 4: the thing that makes you you. Yeah, and hexaiety is

1647
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,879
Speaker 4: another way to do it in a more religious jesuitical context.

1648
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 4: But like, we don't have a definition of consciousness because

1649
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 4: right now, I promise you tried toptique and say I

1650
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 4: love you like.

1651
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 6: I can say I love you? But why don't you

1652
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 6: believe it?

1653
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 4: Because it has an achieved consciousness? Well what does that mean?

1654
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 4: And then it gets really sticky, really fast. So I

1655
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: think one of the reasons there's someone anxiety about AI

1656
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 4: is now we've been reading about this stuff for one

1657
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,440
Speaker 4: hundred years, about like robots that have a chief consciousness,

1658
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 4: but we never had to deal with it. We were

1659
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 4: able to safely sort of like hold it in the

1660
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 4: realm of fiction, and now it's like.

1661
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 5: Becoming reality exactly. That really reminds me.

1662
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh ope.

1663
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 7: So I felt like we were fed with movies in

1664
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five, and one of my favorite movies that

1665
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 7: came out was called Companions during Jack Quaid and Sophie

1666
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 7: Thatcher and she is like a sex robot and he

1667
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 7: what's the word like when you like go into the code, Like.

1668
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 5: That's the word back? Like they kind of hack he

1669
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,520
Speaker 5: kind of hacks.

1670
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 7: Her into like killing somebody and feeling more feelings than

1671
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 7: a robot should feel and oh yes, yes, yeah, And

1672
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 7: I found that horrifying and but also horrifying to the

1673
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 7: point where it's like what can people really do with

1674
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 7: these robots if they can make them into assassinators or

1675
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 7: so like like almost like with Megan, where she's programmed

1676
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 7: just to protect Katie, and like how far can it go?

1677
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 5: Like can we use these for war?

1678
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 3: You know?

1679
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 5: Can they go as far as to protect countries?

1680
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 6: And I mean they're being used.

1681
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 2: For war right now.

1682
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 1: Companion was really interesting because it you're programming it to

1683
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: to kill somebody and then it wakes you know, she

1684
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,799
Speaker 1: wakes up and she doesn't want to, and they're they're

1685
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: advancing the codes that she can't fight the humanity, but

1686
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: in this case, she needs the humanity. So now they're

1687
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: using her as a slave and she has the consciousness

1688
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: to not want to be a part of it. So

1689
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: now it's it's so far in the other direction that

1690
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: you want her to have humanity so that she can

1691
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: get the hell out of there. It is really scary somewhere,

1692
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: it is really crazy, like weird another shoe, Wait, another

1693
01:23:58,560 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 1: We're all doomed and you're having.

1694
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 5: A crunch under the dome.

1695
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 3: We're well doom show we or another.

1696
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so like that movie sounds to me like

1697
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 4: it's doing but science fiction often does where it goes

1698
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 4: like three steps into the future.

1699
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 5: But it's so modern that it's like that's what's scary

1700
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 5: about Yeah.

1701
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, because, like like you said, there were we're in

1702
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 4: the age of drone warfare right now, and all of

1703
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 4: a sudden, like if if you're able to have you know,

1704
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 4: a large language model or a generative AI or AI

1705
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 4: of some kind driving a drone shooting someone dead, who's

1706
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 4: responsible for the humanity? Yeah, Like now it's just sort

1707
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 4: of like who gets pinned with that responsibility for that death?

1708
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 4: Who you know, can go in front of the Hague

1709
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 4: and say this was not a war crime because you

1710
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 4: know this person was acting with under these orders and

1711
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 4: you know, following these laws. That sort of thing so

1712
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 4: scary yeah.

1713
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you, Claire, what has stopped you? Like, so,

1714
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: how come your mom had to move back to Phoenix

1715
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: when you were in Rhode Island, And how come she's

1716
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: not here with you in New York Because you guys

1717
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: are like two peas in a pot. I like, I

1718
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: feel like you're you're missing part of who you are

1719
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: without her here? Yes, nice, you ever asked her live here?

1720
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 3: We have these fantasies. I have a fantasy called the

1721
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 3: Street of Many Porches, and that is right now. The

1722
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 3: Street of Many Porches is the Internet, where all the

1723
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 3: people I love live on the same street and we

1724
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 3: all have porches, so that like at twilight, everybody comes

1725
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 3: out on their porch and they're like waves across the

1726
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 3: street or down the street, and you know, everybody takes

1727
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 3: to turn making dinner, and like there's block parties. But

1728
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 3: it's not just it's like my friends from college. It's

1729
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 3: my friends who live in Canada and the UK. It's

1730
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,480
Speaker 3: my mom and all my brothers and all my neeflings

1731
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 3: and so on. The Street of Many Porches is where

1732
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 3: where the like true happiness lies. Anyway, but in the

1733
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: more practical daydream of the street of many porches. It's

1734
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 3: wherever we end up after Carlos retires, maybe in ten

1735
01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 3: fifteen years where and it would be so awesome him

1736
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 3: if we had like an in law suite or a

1737
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 3: like some kind of a duplex where Sita could live

1738
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 3: on one side or within the structure. And so Sita

1739
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 3: is not to be trammeled, She's not to be shackled

1740
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 3: down to anyone place. Cita's true happiness would lie in

1741
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 3: traveling and seeing all her beloved people. Like for Sita,

1742
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 3: the street of many porches is travel, the ability to

1743
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 3: pick up and go and live with all her beloved people.

1744
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 3: I am one of them, and I'm a major one

1745
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 3: because I'm Carlos and I are really good at We're

1746
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 3: good roommates with Cita, and we love spoiling her rotten

1747
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: and we love doing things with her.

1748
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,839
Speaker 4: Because she's so giving. She gives and gives, she gives everything.

1749
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 3: So we like to be like, hey, have you to

1750
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 3: lie down and need some chocolate? And when we lived together,

1751
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 3: both of us were making below the poverty wage. But

1752
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 3: what was amazing was we called it our semi retirement.

1753
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 3: That what we were definitely stressed financially all the time,

1754
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 3: and yet we had so much time and so and

1755
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 3: we had the library right across the street, and we

1756
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 3: would go rent DVDs and books from the library, and

1757
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 3: we would we'd go to the food pantry, but we

1758
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 3: could cook splendid things from the food pantry, which often

1759
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 3: had like fresh vegetables as well. But whatever we couldn't

1760
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 3: get we would just make do with, you know, their

1761
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,719
Speaker 3: whatever frozen meat they could give us, and whatever canned goods.

1762
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 3: So like we had the most amazing time because we

1763
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 3: had time and we could drive locally. There was a

1764
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 3: forest within easy driving distance. There was an ocean within

1765
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 3: four miles. Forest was two miles away, ocean was four

1766
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 3: miles away. We were in this most beautiful place. The

1767
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 3: Amtrak was right there. We were Rhode Island, where we

1768
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 3: lived in Westerly, was midway between New York and Boston,

1769
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 3: right on the Amtrak line. So it was like ideal.

1770
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 3: But she owns a house in Phoenix where my brothers

1771
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 3: and their partners and all of their pets were living.

1772
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 3: And there was something, some insurance thing happened that we

1773
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 3: got robbed and my brothers because they weren't the primary

1774
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: owner of the house couldn't solve the insurance problem. My

1775
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 3: mother needed not only to be home to do it,

1776
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 3: but to be in residence, and so it was too

1777
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 3: complicated to just go temporarily and do And she was

1778
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 3: starting to have the call of duty of not only

1779
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 3: her sons who were grown ups and could totally take

1780
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 3: care of themselves, but she has a lot of community there,

1781
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 3: a lot of family, and she's very much a service

1782
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 3: oriented person and many people were in need of her

1783
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: loving services so more than me, you know, Like when

1784
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 3: I needed her, she moved all the way across the

1785
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 3: country to be with me, and there was a way

1786
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: that I could go on without her, and she needed

1787
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 3: to go where she was more needed. Yeah, she like,

1788
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 3: she packed up her carbon bag and flew. So I

1789
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 3: just like, she's always welcome wherever we are. I would

1790
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 3: love to live with her. I hate when she has

1791
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 3: to leave. And yet and yet she's now living in

1792
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 3: the same house. But my youngest brother by my mother

1793
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 3: lives with his wife and their one year old son,

1794
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 3: as well as my other brother to Decline and Jeremy

1795
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 3: both live there, and Jeremy and his wife, so it's

1796
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 3: this huge it's a huge communal house. The house we

1797
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 3: all grew up in, which when I was young, it

1798
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 3: just seems so crowded all the time, and in fact

1799
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 3: still seems crowded. And yet now that I've lived in

1800
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 3: apartments most of my adult life, house of that size,

1801
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, like four bedrooms with like a front yard,

1802
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 3: a backyard in a side yard, which was like not

1803
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 3: big enough to fit all of us, is like vast.

1804
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 3: It's big enough to fit three families, you know. And

1805
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 3: her greatest joy she takes care of my grandmother, Lenora's

1806
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 3: great grandmother, Mima. By day, Mima, she and her sister

1807
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 3: Rosie shared the care of Mima, who just turned ninety five.

1808
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 3: And then when she's not doing that, she's babysitting the

1809
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 3: one year old. And so she is standing like as

1810
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: a bridge between new life and life that has lived

1811
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,839
Speaker 3: a very long time, and she still has the energy

1812
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 3: to care for both. And it's amazing. So you can

1813
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 3: see why when she comes here, we don't want her

1814
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 3: to care for anything, don't want to do any chores,

1815
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 3: we don't want her to cook. And again she's like Carlos,

1816
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 3: where if you let her relax for two days, by

1817
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 3: the third day she has scrubbed all of your appliances. Literally, Yeah,

1818
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,600
Speaker 3: but I just I love her so much, and I

1819
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 3: you know, but but I love her thriving. And she

1820
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 3: thrives where there's babies, where there's a garden, and where

1821
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 3: there's a really good audiobook.

1822
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: Wow. I don't even know what to say.

1823
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 3: She's wonderful. She's like speechless.

1824
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:31,440
Speaker 2: She makes me speechless.

1825
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 6: But she comes every holiday. She was here right before

1826
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 6: you were, yes, and she's coming.

1827
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 2: Again in June.

1828
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 3: She wants to see the Scottish Ballet perform something called

1829
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 3: Our Late Mary, Queen of Scots the Scottish Valleys traveling

1830
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 3: from Scotland, and she's like, can I come in June

1831
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 3: to watch this? They're gonna be in New York and

1832
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 3: we're like yeah. And then she wants to do a

1833
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 3: tour of the Hudson River Valley, all the castles that

1834
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 3: are there, the castles of the Hudson River Valley. So

1835
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna rent a car and do that.

1836
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, she has like a sparkle to her

1837
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen a lot of people. And she

1838
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: took us to the movies. Was it was in the

1839
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: summer or was it in the fall?

1840
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 5: I think it was. I think it was in the

1841
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 5: spring March.

1842
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago. But she took us to

1843
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: this movie and it was at a theater that we

1844
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: took a chance on and regretted. The popcord was burnt

1845
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: and the experience was not great, But the movie was great.

1846
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: The movie was one of the best movies I've ever seen.

1847
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: But because we were all together, and like, it's just

1848
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 1: she just the things that were would have bothered me

1849
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: and would have made if we were in the movie

1850
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: for me didn't bother me at all because we were

1851
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: all together. So I can see how you feel that

1852
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: way about her. She treated us, she spoiled us, she

1853
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: she took care of the bill and like it just

1854
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: it was a great afternoon and it wound up braining

1855
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: that night. It was a beautiful day, and I think

1856
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: it was all because she was there.

1857
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, definitely.

1858
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,839
Speaker 4: Has that effect, you know, the sta effect.

1859
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 1: Find your art and then you'll find your person, I

1860
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: guess is the lesson out of today's podcast.

1861
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 4: Harry Poppins sayings, Cita color fradulistic.

1862
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 3: Tita always said her art was her children, but I

1863
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 3: think her art is more social than that. She's a

1864
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 3: social artist. Where she can. She builds community and she

1865
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 3: makes every place she goes better. So like she is Carlos,

1866
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 3: it kind of talks about he'd give her a PhD

1867
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 3: in emotional intelligence.

1868
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you're here. Well, I think I think you've

1869
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 1: given us quite the quite the taste in your lives.

1870
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: And I look forward to more backtracking and that's my

1871
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 1: favorite aspect of this. And then and driving people crazy

1872
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: in the subway. I can't wait to come back to

1873
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: New York. And we'll come back when it's a little

1874
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: bit warmer.

1875
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,440
Speaker 5: Maybe October. October, didn't we say, because the Comic.

1876
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 2: CON's coming here.

1877
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's newer Comic Con and it's also changing of

1878
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 4: leaves and.

1879
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 3: There's Jack o' lantern Spectacular at the Bronx Zoo, where

1880
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: there's thousands of weirdly carved jack Oe lanarn.

1881
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: We did Central Park Zoo, and we know we gotta

1882
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: do Bronx Zoom, which was beautiful, by the way, probably

1883
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: wasn't one of the better zoos, you know, a huge,

1884
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: huge size better exhibits, you know, because the ecosystem can

1885
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: support it, versus in Arizona, you kind of just have

1886
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: to have the same zoos over and over again. God blessed.

1887
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: We love our zoos, but that was.

1888
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 6: Definitely an eye opening.

1889
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,879
Speaker 2: Animals survive, yeah.

1890
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: And then and then you know they all and then

1891
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: like the the lizard and scorpions, it's like we can

1892
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: see those outside in the parking lot.

1893
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 6: I want to see a penguin. That's the extended zoo.

1894
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: The whole valley is the extended zoo, right, especially sixty

1895
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: seventh Avenue. So yeah, I can't wait to come back.

1896
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: I had a great time.

1897
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 6: In twenty twenty six.

1898
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 1: We all have lots of new goals and you'll see

1899
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: them unfold in real time. But for now, it's January

1900
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: and January we are back on your radio every morning

1901
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 1: Monday through Friday, five to ten one O four seven

1902
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Kiss FM, and you can listen to us the next

1903
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: day on any of our other stations or on you

1904
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: can listen to us that same day on our full

1905
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: show podcast. You can listen to Couple's Therapy every week.

1906
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: We will be back in eight weeks, so it'll probably

1907
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: be after my birthday. I'll be the big two to four,

1908
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna joy my last couple of weeks as

1909
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: a twenty three year old, just making my way through

1910
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: life in the Valley of the Sun until anything else changes.

1911
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: So until then, until we see you again, Life from

1912
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: New York a week before because this will be this

1913
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 1: will air next week, which will be the current week.

1914
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: We'll all be back together in the studio and I

1915
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: can't wait to have some more pepper Grinder Winnifred's stories

1916
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: for you. And we'll see where this year leads. Leonora,

1917
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us for another take on art.

1918
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: And thank you Clarien Carlos for just opening opening my

1919
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 1: eyes to the possibility of like just companionship minus the robot,

1920
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: not companion champanionship.

1921
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 6: Thanks for having us tons of fun couples therapy. Here

1922
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 6: we go,