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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. All right, Hold tight,

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Speaker 1: I'm a highway star. No Lou Graham today, as we

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Speaker 1: hope travel problems or maybe he just didn't think it

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Speaker 1: lot of hockey instead. You can follow me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Mark Madden x. I'm not yet sure the Penguins

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Speaker 1: are for real, but I'm willing to concede that they

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Speaker 1: might be. It's a little more shiny than fools gold

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Speaker 1: right now, that's for sure. They sodomized the Oilers at

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Speaker 1: Edmonton second night of a back to back, but not

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Speaker 1: for Edmonton. They were idle the night before. It was

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Speaker 1: epic classic. And see it in that forehand across the

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Speaker 1: body tip again, it's so hard to do. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go into depth why it is a little bit later,

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Speaker 1: but he does it all the time. He did it

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Speaker 1: Saturday to tie the game late against Columbus, did it

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Speaker 1: again last night. If I would have tried that tip

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Speaker 1: and ball hockey, I had to hit myself in the

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Speaker 1: nuts with the ball, it would have been mile extenciled

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Speaker 1: on my well. You know it could fit. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you that. Listen, this is what counts in Pittsburgh sports.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Penguins are knocking it out of the park.

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Speaker 1: In the Jari excoriation, well, no, not excoriation, that's not

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Speaker 1: the word. It was worse than that. It was ritualistic dismemberment.

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Speaker 1: It was human sacrifice. And his ex teammates didn't let

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Speaker 1: up at all, and Edmonton didn't pull him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would be more embarrassing than allowing three goals on

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Speaker 1: the first four shots to your former team while getting pulled?

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Speaker 1: So the coach spared him that, But I'm not so

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Speaker 1: sure how much embarrassment he really spared Jarry, because again

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Speaker 1: he got lit early six goals total. Not a good night,

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Speaker 1: but he just didn't deserve a good night. And as

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about later, he didn't even deserve an

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Speaker 1: okay night. He deserved what he freaking got, which was

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Speaker 1: shot full of effing holes by his old team because

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Speaker 1: he sabotaged the effort of his old team so often.

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Speaker 1: And I know the guys liked him, but now maybe

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Speaker 1: they know he sucks. And I said when Jarry got traded,

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Speaker 1: and now maybe it's even bigger and better.

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Speaker 2: I said when he got traded.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna affect the culture change in that room without

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Speaker 1: the players even knowing it, except now after it last night,

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Speaker 1: I think maybe they know it. We're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about Sid today, but suffice to say that the

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Speaker 1: captain is the catalyst for all this. He's the NHL

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Speaker 1: MVP right now. I mean they won't give it to him,

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Speaker 1: but he's the NHL MVP right now. F the stats,

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Speaker 1: although he's way up that totem Pool two and if

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Speaker 1: I may quote the remake of The Running Man, sins

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Speaker 1: the initiator. He's the fin initiator. And who would know

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Speaker 1: better than Michael Sarah. I wasted all that talk on

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Speaker 1: you people. Michael Sarah is dead. What's the bad news?

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Speaker 1: I love it, I need it, I bleed it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a mad hurricane. Somebody in Pittsburgh say something about

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Speaker 1: getting fired up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, check this out.

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Speaker 1: Peerter maguire always talks about gold differential, how much it means. Right,

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Speaker 1: Penguins seventh in the league right now at plus sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Pierre always talks about how much special teams mean.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Number three power playing hockey conversion rate of twenty seven

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Speaker 1: of eighty three point four percent. The numbers don't lie,

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Speaker 1: and they spelled disaster for Edmonton last night with Jari

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Speaker 1: how good it's going and that makes me more than

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Speaker 1: a little bit nervous going to talk next to Tommy Radio.

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Speaker 2: I'm Mark Madden one oh five ninety x.

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Speaker 1: Hill says that the Atlanta Falcons should have hired Dion

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Speaker 1: Sanders to coach the Falcons instead of Kevin Stefanski because

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Speaker 1: that would have better served the needs of Atlanta's black community. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that should have been their first priority, Jamel Hill. She

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Speaker 1: has turned sports journalism, at least her version, into one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent race baiting and it never stops. Uh. Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton said that Stefanski is a racist because he didn't

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Speaker 1: Cleveland and Joe Thomas field Bron's lineman pointing out on Twitter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Stefanski's starting quarterbacks were black, and Joe Thomas with a

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Speaker 1: good line, he said, Cam, race baiting looks even worse

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Speaker 2: I like it Tom Let's talk Penguins.

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Speaker 1: Jarry got his come up, and last night at Edmonton

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Speaker 1: abject humiliation got lit up by the Penguins and it

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Speaker 3: It was fantastic. And honestly, when it was four or

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Speaker 1: I do understand that because well, Skinner lost two straight finals, okay,

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Speaker 1: and like Pierre said, it's easier to ship him out

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Speaker 3: Okay, fine with that end of it, with Skinner being

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Speaker 3: shipped out, but why Jari?

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Speaker 1: Jarry's talented and again whatever, from their standpoint, I could

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Speaker 1: the Penguins had to get three goals inside the first

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Speaker 1: after the third goal and they had the same body

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Speaker 1: language as the Penguins used to when Jari soiled the bed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why it was so amazing to me

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Speaker 3: that after all this time and all the instances of

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Speaker 3: him soiling the bed, especially in the playoff series against

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Speaker 3: the Islanders, that the Penguins in that dressing room still

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Speaker 3: Because you're right, like he would always, not always, but

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Speaker 3: so often just leave them so deflated. Like five minutes

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Speaker 1: not just on the goalie, Like I said, Jari leaving

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Speaker 1: even knowing it. Having seen Edmonton play, not just last night,

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Speaker 1: Edmonton has it this year. They made it three to

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Speaker 1: I think two straight finals was the ceiling for this

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Speaker 3: I mean, you look at all three of the teams

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Speaker 3: of more crowded pack for Edmonton to deal with, and

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Speaker 4: And the Apps just might run through it all.

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Speaker 1: The East has two good teams Tampa and Caroline, and

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Speaker 4: That You're not gonna throw Johnny Whitehall in there yet

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Speaker 4: in Detroit? Just yes, just yet.

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Speaker 1: No. I think they're kind of well, so are the Penguins,

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Speaker 1: which is why I'm not sure about them. But well,

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Speaker 1: last night's result was no fluke, but Detroit's fluke died

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Speaker 1: John Gibson's playing so well and great. You know, their

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Speaker 4: Ahead of Tampa right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so are they the best record in the

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Speaker 3: They are tied sixty seven points with Carolina. Carolina has

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Speaker 1: At any rate, Detroit's playing good, but they'll make the

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Speaker 1: playoffs herero I think so. Dupid Pierre always cites gold

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Speaker 1: differential is a big factor in out in a true

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Speaker 1: telling of the tail. And they're only plus four McDavid

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Speaker 1: zero points last night. Malkin stripped him to get that

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Speaker 1: like he hasn't maybe ever been tom he's dot in

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Speaker 3: And he's taking to playing wing too really well, which

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Speaker 3: And he's being centered by Tommy Novak, for God's sakes,

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Speaker 3: but he's not looking at that like I can't believe

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Speaker 3: Novak's my center.

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Speaker 4: He's thriving there.

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Speaker 3: And his connection with Chinnikoff is amazing, and oh my god, Mark,

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Speaker 3: I mean, what a fine Chinnikoff has been from Dubas.

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Speaker 3: I mean, holy crap. That shot is unbelieva. He actually

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Speaker 1: Do you hate that? No? No, I want one guy

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Speaker 1: on my team who shoots too much. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: want his linemates to tolerant if he has a cannon

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Speaker 1: he reminds me of Here's a weird comparison the Pittsburgh Spirit.

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Speaker 1: Their best player was a guy named Stanterlecki who had

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Speaker 1: this cannon of a shot, but there was no backswing,

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Speaker 3: And the lin miights right now are of course going

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Speaker 3: to be tolerant of it, because what is Tommy Scott

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Speaker 3: is Novak not going to be tolerant of that. And

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Speaker 3: then Malkin, I mean, he's usually a center. He's used

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Speaker 3: to set the table for somebody like that. He wants

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Speaker 3: to do that throughout his entire career. He's not gonna

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Speaker 3: get jealous of him shooting too much.

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Speaker 1: Now. I have said frequently that I would not re

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Speaker 1: up Gino because I don't want to block Kindle, But

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Speaker 1: if Gino is willing to play wing, I might give

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Speaker 1: him another year and another thing too.

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Speaker 2: I would rest Kindle for a game or two.

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Speaker 1: He's clearly I mean, he hasn't scored in what sixteen

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Speaker 1: games seventeen now, I think he's just tired.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like you have to agree that

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Speaker 3: whether you want to turn that page or not.

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Speaker 4: He's probably coming back right and like it's it seems

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Speaker 4: like it's headed that way and.

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Speaker 1: The reality is Tom he could have like nine points

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Speaker 1: on the year and he and he keeps dropping. He's meriting,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad he feels the need to justify.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, you didn't do that. You leave Novak, China,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they played back to back games, Tom they're they're

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Speaker 2: Absolutely the way this team is performing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the second at home against Ottawa, the third

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Speaker 2: Square is like?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean he's not producing though, I just would

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Speaker 3: And however long, I'm just gonna say that though sixteen

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Speaker 4: Like he's not.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't look like a rookie out there still, despite

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Speaker 4: As great as he.

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Speaker 1: for at least a few weeks. I didn't see a

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Speaker 1: I like where they're at in the standings, And I asked, Tom,

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Speaker 3: By for real, you mean make the playoffs? Like we're

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Speaker 3: not talking Stanley cupp run here, right, Okay?

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Speaker 2: Do you think they you think they will make the.

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Speaker 4: Play They will make the playoffs? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Can you say will I think they will make the

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm ready to say that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it has to happen for them to win

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Speaker 4: Islanders get the Boogeyman the Islanders.

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Speaker 1: question about it. Rival like a thorn in our side

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Speaker 3: And it was so great that Sid's goal was a

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Speaker 1: Marty would have stopped that. Then given up a hat

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Speaker 1: trick to Alexei Morozov. Eric Carlson played, but hey, who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but but nobody would have thought Watherspoon would turn

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Speaker 1: I just love it when a plan comes together, and

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Speaker 1: Next up a segment that we've been waiting for. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually we're doing it today and not Monday because Lou

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Speaker 1: Graham couldn't make it. But what athletes or coaches have

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Speaker 2: It's smart Man show, one of five to ninety X.

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Speaker 1: Find yourself needing a little post holiday?

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Speaker 4: Did you pay the gas bill?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Says your shot at extra cash play some big bugs.

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Speaker 2: They got your back, not your wallet.

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Speaker 1: Phil bork Uh brought up something great on the broadcast.

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Speaker 1: Only five players on the Penguin's current roster predates Kyle

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the guy Pittsburgh should get.

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Speaker 1: I was campaigning in a column and on this show

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Speaker 1: and why now don't hold back, tell me, lay it on,

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Speaker 1: lay it on me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was tough.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie because a lot of these I

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Speaker 3: Cutch is on there. We established that I think at

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Speaker 1: Disrespect for Cutch has been more than a disrespect for Gino,

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Speaker 1: and they shouldn't traded Gino back in twenty eighteen. They

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Speaker 1: should have, but then again I also said they should

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Speaker 3: Oh obviously glad they didn't then, But yes, I feel

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Speaker 3: like if Genny Maucin probably tops that list.

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Speaker 1: Cutch catches shrapnel. My contempt for him is reflected by

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Speaker 1: my contempt for the Pirates, and it's all so magnified

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Speaker 3: Now with Gino, it's more not about Efgueney Maucan individually.

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Speaker 3: It's about the Penguins as a team turning the page,

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Speaker 3: and he kind of just represents that.

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Speaker 2: We know part of it is too.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins, I always felt, made a mistake when they

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Speaker 2: They made them appear like equals package.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then people, you know, fans, you know, the

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Speaker 1: even make the NHL's Top one hundred.

435
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Speaker 4: See when you do things like that and has a

436
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 4: little bite to it, people.

437
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: Think, you know, but that's but he deserved to make it,

438
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: As I've said many times he's better than Matt's ef

439
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 1: and Sundan and Jonathan taye Forth's sake. But but you

440
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 1: know it just I just don't equate the two. I mean,

441
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: Gino was great in his prime. It was just a

442
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: shorter prime Sid still in his prime, which is crazy

443
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: to say, but it but it's true.

444
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 3: Franco Harris was one that I put on this list too,

445
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 3: with the freemil Franco.

446
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 1: Start a Franco, I knew this exercise is gonna first off.

447
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,479
Speaker 1: First off, he was free mil Franco. He never met

448
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 1: a free meal he didn't like, and he referred to

449
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: Mario Lemieux as the Penguin's absentee owner when when he

450
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,239
Speaker 1: was campaigned for Harris, Frank O'harris to try to get

451
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: the casino license instead of Mario, and it all worked

452
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: out at the end, Mario got the finding, he got

453
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: the arena, the penguins stayed in town. But when he

454
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: called Mario lemu an absente owner's Mario spent more time

455
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh than freaking Franco.

456
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 4: That's tough. I could see why that would set you off.

457
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, you see what I'm saying there

458
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: with him though, right, I mean one of the greatest

459
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 3: Steelers of all time for sure.

460
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, didn't like him, didn't like him.

461
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: Let's see, Okay, here's the one that I think is

462
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: an absolute home run. He's not from Pittsburgh, Rayborg.

463
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: Oh no, f him. Let's see.

464
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 4: Okay, this is stupid, this is a stupid excellence.

465
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm going because because I conceded on Cuts to some degree,

466
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: I conceded on Gino. You know who else? Danny Smith.

467
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: Danny Smith's just a harmless old guy.

468
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 4: I didn't even put him on the list though. I don't.

469
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 2: I don't, right because he's just the harmless old guy

470
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 2: who cares.

471
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 4: He's just a special teams coordinator.

472
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: No, but the Ray Burk thing, he hoared himself out

473
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: to get a cup he didn't deserve now as far,

474
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: Mario embarrassed him one on one from the first shift.

475
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: Mario took into goddamn league all through Bork's career in

476
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: playoff games.

477
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: People probably think you're very unfair to Watt and Hayward

478
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: right now currently, but not or not, I don't think

479
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: you are. They haven't won a playoff game, and that's

480
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 3: the standard that comes with being a Pittsburgh Steeler. He's

481
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 3: not a coach or a player, but people will say

482
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Speaker 3: you're unfair to Meyron Cope, no doubt about that.

483
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Speaker 1: He treated me horribly. Okay, I'm just judged people by

484
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Speaker 1: how they treat me.

485
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: Very fair, the golden rule, right, yes, yes, as far

486
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Speaker 3: as coach, you.

487
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: Know San Martino too. I mean, Myron's is a Pittsburgh

488
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: media legend. Bruno is one of the greatest strowing wrestlers

489
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: of all time. But both of them me horribly.

490
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: Tomlin and Biles my I guess for the only coaches

491
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 3: that I could kind of think of. But Tomlin's a

492
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: weird one. You were just ahead of the curve on Tomlin.

493
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: I was right on the money.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

495
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Speaker 1: Well no, even early in Tom's career, I said frequently

496
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: that they saw signs. It was no, no, no, I said.

497
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: I defended him. I said, it's unfairly to say he

498
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: won with Cower's team. But it turned out the further

499
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: away we got from that happening, Tomwin did win.

500
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: With Cower's team, and you started to identify that, and

501
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: I think that was starting to people felt like that

502
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: was unfair maybe initially, but time just started building.

503
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: Up with fas I mean, Bosman, Sullivan. I was very

504
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: critical of them at the end of their tenures. But

505
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: look at Sully in New York, now, don't I was

506
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna say this for later. I don't think Sully's even

507
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: a good coach unless he has the best team.

508
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 4: You've never really said that about Sullivan.

509
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know he in sixteen and seventeen,

510
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: his big qualification, as with Bosman not being Terarrian, he

511
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: wasn't Mike Johnston and just kind of caught lightning in

512
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: a bottle. But what did he do after that? Not much,

513
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: didn't win a playoff series after twenty eighteen.

514
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: He had the best team those two years too, I mean,

515
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: no question about it. And in eighteen too, he had

516
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: arguably the second best team in the NHL between them

517
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: and Washington. What about hinz Ward. Kines Ward's a decent one.

518
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: I didn't put on the list. I didn't think of

519
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: heines Ward, who.

520
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: Was great, But the reason I tweaked him is because

521
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 1: he's just not as great as he thinks he is,

522
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: or is the citizen stink and like that blocking stuff.

523
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: Nobody gives a.

524
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 4: Figure out that's overrated as far as the wide receivers.

525
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: Can revolutionize the game revolutionized this baldy.

526
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 3: You asked, somebody, do you want heines Ward because he

527
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: blocks well, or you want Randy Moss? Who are they

528
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 3: picking every single time in their prime? It's obviously going

529
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: to be the Randy Moss. The unbelievableascat Hinsward was great, though.

530
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: Did he do something to you too? Though there's like

531
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 3: a reason there.

532
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all.

533
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: No, No, I was you know what, I was tough

534
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: on Jerome Bettest too, That's who I was thinking, and

535
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: I and I he wanted to come on to like

536
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: bury the hatchet. Then he canceled at the last minute,

537
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: so I just went I doubled.

538
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: The glad you reminded me about Bettest because I wanted

539
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: to bring up about how you were running up the

540
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: bar like Kramer in that one Seinfeld episode.

541
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: Yes, your own fumbled against Indianapolis and uh, what was

542
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: the guy's named Harper? Yeah?

543
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: Nick, Harper and.

544
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: Ben made the shoe string tack, which is fine by

545
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: me because they won the Super Bowl. Another chapter in

546
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: the Glory of Ben with this step question. But but yeah,

547
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: when when Harper picked up the ball, I was getting

548
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: ready to do a bootleg post game show for twelve

549
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: fifty at the Steelhead at the downtem merin I started

550
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: running down the bar like waving for Harper.

551
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 4: Come on, come on exactly. That's incredible.

552
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: It would have made bettest Bill Buckner without question, Yes,

553
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: and you could see the relief on Bettis's faith when

554
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: Kawor like went on. Coward might have actually said that

555
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: to him, like when he was smiling, he was like,

556
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: You're lucky, You're not Bill Buckner bus like something along

557
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: those lines, because you could see he.

558
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: Was saved Bettie's reputation without ultimately got him a Super

559
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: Bowl ring, but saved Bettie's reputation. I always laugh when

560
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: people point out that Ben didn't have a good Super

561
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: Bowl that year against the Seahawks, which he didn't, but

562
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: he would have been the MVP for the entirety of

563
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He was brilliant in every other game in

564
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: the postseason, but that one. What about Juju?

565
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: Nah him?

566
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: He's just a kid mark. He loves dancing on TikTok.

567
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: See the reason I don't think I was too hard

568
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: on him? Yeah, who wasn't said let my dog dance.

569
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: One of the of the players, one of the defensive

570
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: players let my Dog Dance. Yeah, I think he was

571
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: more symptomatic of the Steelers culture becoming in his case,

572
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: not toxic but silly, like it became both toxic and

573
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: silly with misplaced priorities at the same time. Plus I

574
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: know for a fact he was a totally different person

575
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: when he wasn't you know on filmed Like like I

576
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: heard from a bunch of people, bunch of guys that

577
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: asked to get a picture take it with him, he

578
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: would say, and I quote, nope, bitches only.

579
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: And isn't it kind of obvious now that you could

580
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: have coached a lot of that stuff out of him

581
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: because of his tenure in Kansas City where he I mean,

582
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: maybe he does still do this stuff and he's just

583
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: in Kansas City now, So I don't pay attention, But

584
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: I don't feel like.

585
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: He's still playing. Yeah, he was playing.

586
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 4: I think he was on the Chiefs last year. He's

587
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: still floating around.

588
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Andy Reid made it very clear that that crap.

589
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: You have one role here, blockwell and catch five yard

590
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 3: outs from Patrick Malmes.

591
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Now, of the people we've named the guys, I will,

592
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: I will, I will concede that there might be something

593
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: to it is Cutch, but I'm not going to stop

594
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: being hard on him because I just think he should

595
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: go home. Okay, Gino maybe a little bit. But Gino

596
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: right now is a lopper than Cuts right now, right now,

597
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: same age too. Yeah, I mean it's night and day.

598
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean Gino is still those the ones I see

599
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: everybody else. I think I've been.

600
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: I think I was.

601
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what, Cutch and Gino. I will concede

602
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: to some element of unfairness. There's a difference between being

603
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: unfair and being overly hard.

604
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: But with with factual justification.

605
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: Can't talk into Raybork at all, not even a little bit, no, Okay.

606
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: I consider one of the proudest moments in my media

607
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: career was when I appeared on Spitting Chicklets with all

608
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: those Boston guys when they still didn't hate me and

609
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: I and I called Raybork a two dollars hooker who

610
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: pimped himself out to Colorado for a cup he didn't

611
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: deserve and betrayed Boston.

612
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: He finished second in the Norris Trophy voting when he

613
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: was forty for Colorado. Rayborg f him all.

614
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I just I just don't.

615
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: Oh, here's I was coaching a deck tournament in in Leminster, Massachusetts,

616
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: where the big tournaments used to be. And remember the

617
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: remember the uh the goal Marius were into playoffs on Bork. Yeah,

618
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: embarrassed him where he put the puck in his skates

619
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: and when Bork looked down, he yanked it out and

620
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: went through and roofed a forehand.

621
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: Yes.

622
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: The day after that, we were up there for a tournament.

623
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: A couple of days later, okay, a couple days later,

624
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: this is fresh fresh, Right. A couple days later. It's

625
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: in Lemonster's, a suburb of Boston. Right. I go in

626
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: their pro shop. They had a Bork jersey hanging out.

627
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: Of course, I turned on their ceiling fan. Oh, I

628
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: hung the jersey on the ceiling fan. Turn on the

629
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: ceiling fan to go, what's this? Remind you of.

630
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: The X from the one five nine the ex Weather Center.

631
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Speaker 5: This report is sponsored by Taco Bell Cloud's increasing throughout

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Speaker 5: today Today, Hi a twenty five partly cloudy and very

633
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Speaker 5: cold tonight, dropping down to one cloudy and cold tomorrow.

634
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Speaker 1: Tom Before we get to the trifecta, we were talking

635
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: about a hidden gem of the of the local food outlets.

636
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody loves Five Guys, but specifically people talk

637
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: about their hamburgers.

638
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: Their hot dogs are unbelievable, unbelievable. I needed some lunch

639
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: today and I wanted to go to the Five Guys.

640
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like getting the burger though, you know

641
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: what I mean. The burger's big, it's heavy, burger, like

642
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: it would have slowed me down, I think for the day.

643
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: So hot dog was just the perfect choice. And it's

644
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: it's awesome. They like cut it in half. It's almost

645
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: like you get two hot dogs on the one bun.

646
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're doing it, Yeah, exactly. It's

647
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: it's really well done. And their fries are obviously elite,

648
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: and those go well with hot dogs too.

649
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: When you get the fries, do you get this?

650
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I get the kids, the kids order, like I can't

651
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: even finish the kids order.

652
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes I got a small bag for the kids order,

653
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: and there were already like another bag's worth that small

654
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: bag's worth in the big bag that all the meal

655
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: came in.

656
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: I got like double.

657
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: They just tossed the Yeah.

658
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: But you know what else great about the the Five

659
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: Guys hot dogs, the toppings and toppings make a hot dog,

660
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean not make you know what I mean, it's important,

661
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: maybe more important with the burger.

662
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: And they got the whole board there.

663
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, if you wanted to make yourself a Chicago dog,

664
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: you know, they got the tomato, they got the lettuce,

665
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: they got the they got everything. You'd want to really

666
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: just soup it up if you wanted to. I just

667
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: went with ketchup and mustard today though, I was just

668
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: feeling very classic.

669
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to ketchup and mustard. Yes, that's a little unusual,

670
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: I think, so. Yeah.

671
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: I like, no, I've done that too.

672
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: When I go to Eddie's and Conya Lake, which is

673
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: the best tut dogs anywhere I get up, they have

674
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: like a sauce. They just call it sauce. It's like

675
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: it's like chili sauce, but not quite.

676
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm in.

677
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: I get that in onions or I get, like you said,

678
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: ketchup and mustard or ketchup and onions. Best tut dogs

679
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh? Is it five guys?

680
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: Five guys? Is up there?

681
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: I like the Brighton hot Dog Shop though that used

682
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: to be near our old station. It's a chain though

683
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: you don't count the chains, so I do.

684
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I do.

685
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

686
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: That no, I aside from the only one better than

687
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: than five guys is these six packs and dogs.

688
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Two locations. They go to the one in Murraysville.

689
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: When I my fall hockey tournament out there, it's really

690
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: good in their toppings or on repress.

691
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: Not much right, Like you're trying to rack your brain

692
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 4: right now for some other options.

693
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: And he's in conyat Lake.

694
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: That's conyat Lake though, dirt dogs.

695
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: In in Vegas. I always go to that's downtown.

696
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: PNC Park really for baseball games now, I mean you.

697
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: Just have a dog in a base because yeah, but

698
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: I've had them. They're not not great, but they up

699
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: the value because you're at the ballpark.

700
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: Not particularly good, I think that's about it. Like New York,

701
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: here's some places, but I can't name any of them. Actually,

702
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: my my buddy de Rizzo, who I've known since we

703
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: were kids, works with sid Uh. There's a place we've

704
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: gone too out in your Kennywood Park. I forget what

705
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: it's call, and I wonder if it's still open because

706
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: we literally haven't gone there for years. But it's pretty good.

707
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: I love going around Kenny. I'm trying to think if

708
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: I've heard of it too. I can't, though I like

709
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: the corn dogs in Kennywood Park though they've got good

710
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: corn dogs there.

711
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: Jackie, corn dogs, Jackie for all these people. Okay, what

712
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: are about for the trifecta? I got a Penguins triffecta today.

713
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: Market kind of goes in line with what you were

714
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: talking about of if the Penguins are for real. Got

715
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: some stats here, starting with the goaltending, and we'll use

716
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: that cut up point from Christmas. They have the best

717
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: the tandem of Stewart of Skinner and she Lovs excuse me,

718
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: have the best goals against average since Christmas. It's like

719
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: two point h nine and Skinner individually is fifth in

720
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: the NHL and wins fourth and goals against average and

721
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: fifth and save percentage since that Christmas spot.

722
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 2: I'm still yeahs ten and two since the break.

723
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: But Skinner's not playing every game either, So yeah, that's

724
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: very impressive.

725
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm very still cautiously optimistic about the goaltending and having longevity,

726
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: but Skinner's giving me a lot of faith. He just

727
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: seems like more professional goaltender than we've seen in a while.

728
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he has a weakness, which, like Cock talked about,

729
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: you got to give him move and did I say

730
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: it was talk? Uh? Yeah, you got to get a

731
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: moveing side to side and I guess Talks team didn't

732
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: do that when they were here. But yeah, you got

733
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: to give him moving side, decide if you could set

734
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: up moving forward. He's big and knows how to play

735
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: his angles.

736
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: Number two that I wanted to bring up.

737
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: The Penguins are a bit of road warriors mark, which

738
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty good sign if your team's real.

739
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: They have the I heard most road wins in the

740
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference. Funny enough that they need to improve at home.

741
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: They have the second fewest home wins in the Eastern Conference.

742
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: How about the Rangers? Quick aside, they have a sixteen

743
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: road wins, that's the second most in the East. They've

744
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: won five games at MSG.

745
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: Well that's okay because the crowd, you know, doesn't react

746
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: badly when they and they get shut out all the

747
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: time at home.

748
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: Terrible at home. Yeah, well, sixteen wins on the road

749
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: is impressive. I mean, I gotta be honest, I can't

750
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: say I'm that surprised. You know, you know what is

751
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: unbelievable too, they thought they made their team better in

752
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: the offseason. They thought I knew they made it worse.

753
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you're letting Cryder go, You're letting ky Andre

754
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: Miller go, and like the thing is. And I hate

755
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: to say this, I really do, but they got rid

756
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: of Crider and Kay Andry because they thought they were

757
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: bad in the dressing room.

758
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

759
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Then they then they brought in JT.

760
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: Which and I don't know how it's going there with him,

761
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: but I know how it's gone in the past. Like

762
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: in Vancouver. He ruined Vancouver, he did KTM Miller, he

763
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: blew up the Vancouver Canucks.

764
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm worried that he's gonna got Taker's job.

765
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: Probably JR quit sooner because of the the butterfly effect

766
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: of all the crap people.

767
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: In around about way, I'm worried he's going to be

768
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: part of the reason why he ruins Team USA's hopes

769
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: in the tourna mix.

770
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he should be on the team, honestly.

771
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: Well I don't if you should have swump. But they

772
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 2: ain't winning.

773
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, they may not even make it to the Metal.

774
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: They ate winning, and he won't have nothing to do

775
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: with it. The Penguin that's just not a good team

776
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: at the Olympic level.

777
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: The room for improvement though at home is a real thing.

778
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: The Penguins need to find. Only eleven wins at home

779
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 3: is not good enough. Yes, a number one. We talked

780
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: about this already, but it's I think it's the most

781
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: important thing. And Pierre hits on it's the gold differential

782
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: third in the East, seventh in the entire NHL at

783
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: plus sixteen, I mean, and that's that's growing recently too,

784
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: Like they're adding to that gold differential right now. So

785
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: it's very encouraging.

786
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: Pierre puts a great deal of stock in gold differential,

787
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: and I agree.

788
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: There are outlars like Detroit is like near the top

789
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: of the standing plus four plus four and Utahs like

790
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: way below the Penguins, and they're plus seventeen better than

791
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: the Penguins.

792
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, same with Washington. Washington's plus ten.

793
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: That's not better than the Penguins, but they're falling down

794
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: the standings with a really good gold differential.

795
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: If you could pick a team, a potential opponent in

796
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: the first round of the players for the peng was,

797
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: who would you pick realistically a team that could make it?

798
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: I mean again, they all could make. It just looks

799
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: like it's going to be the Islanders. It just seems

800
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: like those two are on a collision course right now,

801
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: unless Philly can sneak back into it. I think I'd

802
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: lost Philly. You'd want to take Washington?

803
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: No, No, I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to

804
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: play them because they're big and physical. Tom Wilson OVI,

805
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: that's not a good matchup for the peng With not

806
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: these current PEngs.

807
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: I don't think you have to worry about that. They

808
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: just slipped behind the Devils in the standings right now,

809
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: so they're following. I wouldn't mind playing the Devils Philly.

810
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: If Philly or in New Jersey could catch up to

811
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: New York, I might prefer one of those two. But

812
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to catch up to New York.

813
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

814
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: That that sit across the body for hid deflection we

815
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: did he executed last night and again Saturday at home

816
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: to tie that game weight against Columbus.

817
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: What do you make of that?

818
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: Tom? Because it's not easy, but he makes it look easy.

819
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't like colockwork.

820
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what was so remarkable is it just seemed

821
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: like riding a bike for him, like that was just

822
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: a hoe hum kind of effort for him. It was

823
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 3: one of the craziest goals we've really seen, and it had.

824
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: It's hard to bar down to kind of aspect. Seriously,

825
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: the way you just it's like that puck. You're lucky

826
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: you don't block your own deflection.

827
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: And to have the speed he still had on it

828
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: after the deflection, you know what I mean, Like it

829
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: slowed down. Obviously it has two physics, but it not

830
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: that much. It's still had a ton of mustard on it.

831
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: No, he knows how to get that perfect touch. And

832
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: Sid's thirty eight, which it's incredible. He's playing this well.

833
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I think, and this is a cliche topic, I think

834
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: he's better at thirty eight at hockey than Brady wasn't

835
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: thirty eight in football. Brady just dinked and dunked Sid's

836
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: painting in much more broad strokes than Brady did the

837
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: same age.

838
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's crazy that he aged as well

839
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: as he did playing quarterback, but you're playing hockey. It's

840
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: just a completely different level as far as physical is concerned.

841
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: Skating up and down that ice, and for Sid to

842
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: be doing this I love that comparison. Another cliche topic

843
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: that you brought up, Mark that I love regarding sid

844
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: As the MVP talk this year.

845
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think there's any question to.

846
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Bring it up because he ain't gonna get it, but

847
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: he should get it, or I think he's a no brainer. Well,

848
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: if they make the playoffs, Yes.

849
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 3: I think it's a no brainer. And you can even say, oh, okay,

850
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: what about the stats part of it. He's fifth in

851
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: goals right now, He's gonna have the most goals ever

852
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: buy a thirty eight year old when the season's over, and.

853
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: If the Penguins make the playoffs, Dubas should get Executive

854
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: of the Year.

855
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: That might actually happen, though I have faith in that,

856
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 3: and Muse's Coach of the Year probably will get some

857
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: push too.

858
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: No, not in his first year, and if people will

859
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: see what's happened more as a byproduct of Dubas's assembly

860
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: than Mus's coaching. Although I would not discount one of

861
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: the other, should the other be honored.

862
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: Dubis could get the Executive the Year. It's just sucks

863
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: the sid is no shot at MVP. The league should want,

864
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: not that they should force it to anybody but they

865
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: should want to have Sid get a late in the career.

866
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: MVP Lubis got Executive of the Year, Toronto would explode.

867
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: The people laughed till she said burned. And the Hey

868
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: Hockey stats at thirty eight, Oates had eighty two points.

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Speaker 1: Sid's going to top that barring injury. Pavelski and Francis

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Speaker 1: each of seventy seven points. I mean, this is incredible.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible, thirty eight. I forget he's thirty eight. He

872
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Speaker 1: don't look thirty eight. If he would take my advice

873
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Speaker 1: and dye his hair, he won't even look like he's thirty.

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Speaker 1: But but it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I like the Silver Fox though, and we talked about

876
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: this too before. Brett Hall with thirty seven goals, most

877
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Speaker 3: goals as a thirty eight yard he's he's going to

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Speaker 3: pass that. He's ten away from tying it. We're not

879
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Speaker 3: even at the Olympic break. But goals for him have

880
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Speaker 3: always been up in DOC. Points are the consistent with him.

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Speaker 3: You don't get me wrong. I think he's gonna get forty.

882
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Speaker 3: But but goals are less of a lock than the

883
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Speaker 3: points per game type thing.

884
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we say that, but he's still an unbelievable goal scorer.

885
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Speaker 3: He's got so many goals in his career it's almost

886
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Speaker 3: like an underrated part of his career.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the best move Dubis has made

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Speaker 1: the most impactful is on this team this year.

889
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Speaker 3: This team this year, it's got to be the Twin Town.

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00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: Can I include Mantha and Brazo as like as a

891
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Speaker 3: package deal, as like the Twins include Watherspoon.

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Speaker 1: Those are the three guys that he brought in that

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Speaker 1: nobody had, you know, big hopes for. I mean, nobody

894
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Speaker 1: thought that didn't necessarily suck, but but they've performed above him.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that's three guys, and.

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Speaker 3: Then they need goal scoring badly in Brazil. And man

897
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Speaker 3: though has provided goal scoring from the clouds out of nowhere.

898
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Speaker 4: So I'd say those two.

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Speaker 3: The ability to get out of Jari though and turn

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Speaker 3: it into a goalie that I could see playing for

901
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Speaker 3: the Penguins in the playoffs this year and maybe winning

902
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: a round for them.

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Speaker 4: That's spectacular too. That's wizardry.

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Speaker 1: And beyond that, getting rid of Jarry's deal, which has

905
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Speaker 1: two more all that I wanted, Yeah too much.

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Speaker 4: The skinner parts of bonus.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you though, if I had to

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Speaker 1: pick one of the guys, Well, no, that's not true.

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00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Mantha, you know, but Brazo only

910
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: has a couple less goals. Yeah, I'm glad me had

911
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: the scored. I said before, I didn't know if it

912
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Speaker 1: was ten or eleven games. He hadn't scored in eleven

913
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Speaker 1: games till he got to two last night. It's eleven.

914
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Speaker 1: But the Penguins scoring depth has been just remarkable. That's

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Speaker 1: a big part of the success as well.

916
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Speaker 3: And I know this is kind of a delayed fuse,

917
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: but Carlson's finally paying off. As far as his first

918
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Speaker 3: big move is concerned. He's been great this year. He

919
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Speaker 3: didn't like playing for Sullivan.

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Speaker 1: It's that is very evident now, not as evident them,

921
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Speaker 1: but he didn't like playing for Sullivan. He just I

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Speaker 1: think MWS I don't know. I think Sully left Carlson

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Speaker 1: alone mostly, but I think I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: the way Muse coaches the team in general from the

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Speaker 1: top down makes more sense to Carlson.

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Speaker 3: That quote that Yoe had a way earlier than year

927
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Speaker 3: in October. Oh, then he doesn't make guys, yeah do

928
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Speaker 3: what they can't do?

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Speaker 1: What they can't do. And that didn't apply to Carlson.

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Speaker 1: That applied to you know, the Shades and the graves

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Speaker 1: Is and people like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Carlson and Sullivan had a prickly

933
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Speaker 3: relationship or Carlson was in Sullivan's dockhouse, but maybe Carlson

934
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Speaker 3: observed that all year and was just like, this is

935
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Speaker 3: not how you should play that. I should be doing that,

936
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Speaker 3: But not freaking Ryan Graves say, for certain had a

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Speaker 3: prickly relationship.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, get your calls in for calls on the fifteens.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'm gonna give you my list. Not no, that,

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Speaker 1: not that list. That's not till till five. My glad,

941
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Speaker 1: there's still that long to go in this frigging show.

942
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Speaker 2: That long. Three more hours. I mean, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 1: But up next, up the reasons I think the Penguins

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Speaker 1: have exceeded at expectations so far one oh five ninety

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Speaker 1: x