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Speaker 1: I wonder if their paths ever crossed last Tom Crean

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Speaker 1: now joining us via the Conneticot Water Systems hotline, did

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Speaker 1: you ever have any kind of I don't know, connection with,

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Speaker 1: or conversation with, or knowledge of Glenn Mason, former University

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota coach who now joins US. He's just like

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Speaker 1: the last last fifteen to eighteen years weekly during the

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Speaker 3: No, I've never met him, but my father in law

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Speaker 3: knew him. I was a fan of his, especially when

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Speaker 3: him when Glenn was I don't know that. I can't

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Speaker 3: remember the entire story, but Glenn was starting out. I

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the star.

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Speaker 1: Right, he ends up They just end up sharing no

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Speaker 2: There was just one bed in it. Didn't even know that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't remember that. Yes, that's coaching at Michigan. Then

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Speaker 2: It started with a.

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Speaker 3: Like I always followed him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, start it started with a burger right.

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Speaker 1: They they at Whatever's restaurant. They were at some haul

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Speaker 2: It's such a great story.

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Speaker 4: Well, May's actually just left and whispered when he heard

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Speaker 2: But he whispered to me, yeah, I slept with him

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Speaker 1: And Tom, will you tell our audience who you're who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my father in law is Jack Harbaugh, who coached

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Speaker 3: turn into more fast break baskets. But too many times

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00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,479
Speaker 3: the Wolves are no different than almost anybody else. I mean,

437
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 3: look how hot the Spurs were, and the Spurs have

438
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 3: not played very well really the other day. If the

439
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 3: Spurs played right in the third quarter, that with the

440
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 3: way the Timberwolves were playing, that should have been a

441
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 3: thirty point game. Okay by the end of the third quarter.

442
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: That San Antonio Spurs never put the foot down and played,

443
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 3: in my opinion, the third quarter ridiculously and then allowed

444
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 3: Minnesota that can't going yeh and Dante DiVincenzo to make

445
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 3: a couple plays and all of a sudden, you know,

446
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 3: it wasn't like maybe fourteen points. There's really nothing in

447
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 3: an NBA game, But it should have never been that

448
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 3: if San Antonio was really lot Yeah, and they weren't.

449
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: And I think we saw that with Oklahoma City the

450
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 3: other night, and they're a really good team. I mean,

451
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: everybody goes through something, but for the Timberwolves, that ball

452
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 3: has got has got to move, it's got to move early.

453
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 3: People have got to be involved and engaged, and then

454
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 3: they play much better connection defense because they have enough

455
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: individual defenders. I mean, like you look at the Lakers,

456
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: they don't have very many individual defenders and their team

457
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: defense because I think their concepts and whatever time they're

458
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: spending in practice, Okay and Walkers, it doesn't seem like

459
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: it's very urgent to me because because a lot of

460
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: the errors that they're making are fundamental errors. So it's

461
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: not just that they don't have individual defenders. There's the

462
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: technique errors that go with it. Well, when you watch

463
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: the Timberwolves, they got some really good individual defenders, really

464
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: good and so when you have individual defenders combined into

465
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: a connected team defense. Now that's where that team can

466
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 3: be really really good and get on good runs. And

467
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: I think that's important. I think it's the mindset. And

468
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: the one thing about Anthony is knowing him the way

469
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: I do. Most of the time he's talking after those games,

470
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 3: he's telling you what he thinks. He's telling you the truth,

471
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: like the game plan stuff, and that's for real. And

472
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: I think since Atlanta, that was such a poor effort.

473
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: It was such an embarrassing effort. It was one of

474
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: those moments that everybody definitely had to look in the

475
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: mirror because you knew everybody else was looking in the mirror.

476
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: And I think the best thing that we're going to

477
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 3: look back at it, the best thing that happened to

478
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: that team is they had to go to Miami for

479
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: a couple of days. And I really do because I

480
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't think it was easy once they

481
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: got to Miami. I think I don't think they like

482
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 3: flushed it, you know, on the plane ride from Atlanta

483
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: to Miami. I think it carried over. And give I

484
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: don't know all the details, but I know a little

485
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 3: bit enough to know. Give Chris Finch and that staff

486
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: credit for addressing things, but give the players and Anthony

487
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: and guys like that credit for accepting things. And a

488
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: lot of times it's really really hard. You can never

489
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 3: absorb something unless you accept something. And a lot of

490
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 3: times to get somebody to accept it, you got to

491
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: pierce something right. You can't sugarcoat it. And and whatever

492
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 3: happened in Miami was good. And I don't think it

493
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: was the Miami game that was such a stronghold. I

494
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: think the fact they got on that plan and went

495
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: to Washington and played the way they did that night

496
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: on a team that had just gone into Milwaukee earlier

497
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: in the week and beat them. They made that team

498
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: look like they were tanking, which is what they're doing, right,

499
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: And they didn't let them play around. Washington went into

500
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: Milwaukee earlier in the week and beat them with one

501
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: second to go, and it should have never been that,

502
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: But that was the game to me. Miami started it

503
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 3: and and Washington kind of said, Okay, these these guys

504
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: are better. And then they came home and they've been

505
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: playing pretty solid that that. The first three quarters of

506
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 3: San Antonio not so much, but then they turned it

507
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: on and so I think they're going to get better

508
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 3: and better I think they got way more upside than

509
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: a lot of teams in the NBA, and they don't

510
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: have to be maybe as deep or as telled. They

511
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 3: have enough guys that when they break down and they

512
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: put possession by possession together on both ends, they're gonna

513
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: be very, very hard to deal with.

514
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Nobody that we talked to knows Anthony Edwards as well

515
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: as you have. You go way back with him, and you,

516
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: I think understand him more than most, and a texture

517
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: kind of anticipated my next question. I'll ask you what

518
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: he asked, because I intended to anyway. How would you

519
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: have handled Anthony walking out, leaving the bench with what

520
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: I think half of the fourth fourth quarter yet to

521
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: go in Atlanta?

522
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: Well, I know I talked to him personally after that,

523
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: and I don't want to share that, but I would

524
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 3: say this, I would have I would have known where

525
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 3: that was coming from at that point, because he's never

526
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: done that, right, so like, and I'm not I wasn't

527
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: there and I haven't seen half on this, but he

528
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: would He was home, okay, and home is still a

529
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: big deal to him because he doesn't get home much.

530
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: And I certainly can get home in the off season,

531
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: but you know, he's not spending nearly as much time

532
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: in Atlanta as he used to. And because he's he's

533
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: training at a pull rate. Now. Obviously he's got other

534
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: things like USA Basketball and things like that, but this

535
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: dude is serious. He wasn't running the stadium stairs in

536
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: downtown Atlanta. He was running the stadium stairs in downtown Minnesota,

537
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: you know, when he was getting in shape. So I

538
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 3: think there was some of that. I don't know the

539
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 3: particular so I don't want to speak on behalf of

540
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: the coach, but known him the way that I know him,

541
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: i'd have gone back there and got him myself. Now

542
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: that's me as a college coach, Okay, not as in

543
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: an NBA coach. That's a different situation. But I also

544
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: think that I don't know. And I say this because

545
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. Did somebody go back there and try

546
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: to get him to come back. I don't know that,

547
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: but I would have. However it was handled from then

548
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 3: to Miami game, okay, whatever where it was, he responded,

549
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: whether it was positive or whether it was negative. But

550
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: I have a little idea, but I would just say this,

551
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: he responded, and and and that to me is important

552
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: because he's very very smart, he's very very prideful. He's

553
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: he's way, and part of his intelligence is how introspective

554
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 3: he can be when he wants to be. And I

555
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 3: think the fact that he has played the way that

556
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: he has, he didn't. He's not playing that way because

557
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: he felt bad. He's playing that way because he doesn't

558
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: want to feel like that. Yeah, right, and he doesn't

559
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: want his teammates to feel like that. And I think

560
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: he's had a big hand and why they're playing so

561
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: much better.

562
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: It's uh, yeah, it was weird because when it happened,

563
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: I always felt like it didn't get the attention nationally

564
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I expected because.

565
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 2: It's pretty unusual.

566
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about your main guy, and I

567
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: know he's still young, but it's just team and everybody

568
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: already knows that. And I'm thinking, I can't remember very

569
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: many stars who did that.

570
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: Now, who was it? We had on said, well, what

571
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: you need to know is who was was Mike? Mike Conley.

572
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: We had Mike on pretty much once a month, and

573
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Mike said, well, you know, the very little secret is

574
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: that there are times during games where guys who just

575
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: do kind of disappear and they go into it and

576
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: sometimes they might be doing something else. They might be

577
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: working on a butt whatever it is, and so it's

578
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: not totally unusual.

579
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, yeah, this to me when it's.

580
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: Half you know, halfway through the quarter and you're you're

581
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: the team's getting humiliated, I don't think it's a good

582
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: look for a star player. Now, as you say, maybe

583
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: they did they one or another. Perhaps they've dealt with it,

584
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: and it's unlike it happened again and now he has

585
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: you can tell me. I don't think there's any track

586
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: record from him and doing something like that, But that's

587
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: a stand out to me.

588
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 3: You know, I think, like I said, it, no, it

589
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: was an unfortunate moment all the way across the board.

590
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: And it's like I said, you know when you're say,

591
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: situation like that that doesn't just happen, like, oh man,

592
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: where do you go? Right Like, there's things that lead

593
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: up into the game that are from that, right especially,

594
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: And he was back home and like I said, he's

595
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: got a lot of pride, but I think maybe being

596
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: young takes him back there. But maybe the maturity of

597
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: what he's gone through and what he what he's building

598
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: helped him respond the way that he did, if that

599
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: makes sense true, because because again he had his reasons,

600
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're right at all. I mean, I

601
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: just when you have, when you have players, you have

602
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: to look across the you have to look across the

603
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: table from them. And when you have in this day

604
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 3: and age of college basketball and in the NBA and

605
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: pro sports, but especially in the NBA, you've got to

606
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: be able to look across the table at them, okay,

607
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: and not everybody else that's around them. Sometimes you have

608
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: to look like it what is most important to this person.

609
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: And I've always tried to get my players in college,

610
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: I mean in the NBA to understand this too, Like

611
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: you've got to be a participant in communication with your coach, okay,

612
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: with your teammates. And if my wife would have ever

613
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: let me write a book, which you won't, there'd be

614
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: some incredible stories in there. I've guys not only in college,

615
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: when they went under the NBA and conversations and things

616
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: that happened, and I would never share those anyways, because

617
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: those are private. What happens is the better you get, okay,

618
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: the more responsibility you have for communication all the way across.

619
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: And I think there's moments. There's you know, you call

620
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: them a watershed moment, you can call them a breakthrough moment,

621
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 3: you call them whatever you want. But there's moments on

622
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: any team throughout the season that point you upward in

623
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: a directionally points you downward, right, And it's all how

624
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: you respond to it. And I think in this situation,

625
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: that was about as good of a response from Atlanta,

626
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: because nobody played good at Atlanta at all, right, including him.

627
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: He played, I mean, he didn't score some points that

628
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: this wasn't a good day, right, And they responded, And

629
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: there could be another one of those situations. I'm not

630
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: saying somebody's going to walk off the bench, But the

631
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: season is so long, it's so full, there's so much

632
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: that goes on. It's how quick can you get over

633
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: mad and frustrated and angry and not let it turn

634
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: into not let it turn into disdain and disrespect. Because

635
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: I've said this forever, going back to even my team

636
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: back in two thousand and three at Marquete, we had

637
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: a lot of things that were strengths of that team.

638
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: The number one strength of that team was forgiveness, Like

639
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: they were able to forgive each other when things went wrong.

640
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: They were able to get over things quickly. It did

641
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: not manifest itself and grow and become so big that

642
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: we couldn't that it went on for weeks or it

643
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: went on for days. No, might go on for half

644
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: a day, it might go on overnight, it might go

645
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: on into the next day. But it got handled. And

646
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: those were young college kids. But like I swear, that

647
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: is that's the unspoken thing that most of us never

648
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: see in teams because we don't have the background to

649
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: be able to see what's going on behind the scenes. Yeah,

650
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: which is that's why so much of this reporting on

651
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Speaker 3: national story when guys are doing leaks and they don't

652
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Speaker 3: even have a clue you know what's going on, because

653
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Speaker 3: people are so good at telling you what they want

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Speaker 3: you to hear, but you're not really seeing what's going

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Speaker 3: on in the inner signing. I mean, you know what,

656
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Speaker 3: maybe we shouldn't because it is their inner sanctum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is a lot of manipulation. There is

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Speaker 1: a lot of manipulation that goes on. You're right, I've

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Speaker 1: blown through another break, but I now you've intrigued me.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, you mentioned your wife won't let you

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Speaker 1: write the book I'm fascinated by that.

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Speaker 2: So I bet you'd be a hell of a book.

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Speaker 1: So what does she say, No, you'd have to give

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Speaker 1: up too much and then you might hurt a couple

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Speaker 1: of people's feelings or what's her what's see? What is

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Speaker 1: her veto power about on that book?

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Speaker 3: What's always been that it's been going all the way back.

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Speaker 3: We've had people that wanted to do documentaries to chronicle

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Speaker 3: our seasons when we first got to Indiana. They wanted

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Speaker 3: to see what would have we turned down significant money

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Speaker 3: and won. It was significant money at that point and

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Speaker 3: early when we got there, because they wanted to chronicle

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Speaker 3: what was going to happen with Indiana. Well, if it

674
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Speaker 3: made it, hey great, But if it didn't make it,

675
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Speaker 3: that was going to sell too, right. So he's just

676
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Speaker 3: never been about that. I think it's a family thing,

677
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Speaker 3: Like she doesn't have any interest in participating in a

678
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Speaker 3: book about the family. She'll do an interview, but she's

679
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Speaker 3: not doing much and I mean she just she's very

680
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Speaker 3: private like that, and she just never wanted that to

681
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Speaker 3: be something. So we did one coaching basketball book with

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Speaker 3: my old coach at El mccollege m back when we

683
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Speaker 3: were at Marquette. I think that's going to be the

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Speaker 3: extent of the book.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I love that I could talk to you all day, man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. As always.

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Speaker 2: We'll definitely try.

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Speaker 1: To stay in touch as we get closer and closer

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Speaker 1: to you know, the playoffs. I mean, it's a ways

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Speaker 1: off yet, but it's coming for sure once we get past.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to play for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I think they'll play for a long time. I really,

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Speaker 3: I just think there's so much room for them to

695
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Speaker 3: get better, and I think they are getting better. I

696
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Speaker 3: say this all the time, but it's true. I think

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Speaker 3: Chris is doing a phenomenal job. It really is. He

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Speaker 3: just and now the more I watch it intently, you know,

699
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Speaker 3: I've always watched it. I'm watching it like clip by clip.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's they do a lot of really good things,

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Speaker 3: and I think that West is a lot more open

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Speaker 3: than people think.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. We appreciate it. As always.

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Speaker 3: We'll be in touch absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Just let him Durant, let him influence the game, just

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Speaker 2: Like one to eight?

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Speaker 1: Greatly enjoyed our discussion on a number of subjects with

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Speaker 1: Tom Crean, had a good discussion with Glenn Mason and Mace.

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Speaker 1: Had a chance to renew acquaintances with our three to

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Speaker 1: thirty guest, former Governor Arnie Carlson. We've not really had

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Speaker 1: because we've been so full with guests, had much of

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Speaker 1: a chance to get in the weeds in reacting to

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Speaker 1: what the governor had to say. And here's what fascinates

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Speaker 1: me the most about at least an element of folks,

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Speaker 1: an element of the reaction. This isn't everybody but a

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Speaker 1: few people. And I would submit it as example triple

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Speaker 1: z on why we're kind of stuck in the mire

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Speaker 1: and in the muck that we tend to be the

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Speaker 1: sort of quicksand we live in. Politically speaking, former Governor

741
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Speaker 1: Carlson suggesting some attempt to communicate directly, maybe even in person,

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Speaker 1: with the White House.

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Speaker 2: On the way things.

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Speaker 1: Are, the madness that is playing out in the streets

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Speaker 1: of Minneapolis and Saint Paul right now as capitulation, And

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Speaker 1: I can tell you a lot of things that I

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Speaker 1: know and a lot of things that I think about

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Speaker 1: the former governor, who you are not obviously obligated to

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Speaker 1: agree with on any particular issue, but if you think

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Speaker 1: he is is is capitulator?

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Speaker 2: A word?

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Speaker 1: Capitulation is a word. Can you be a if you capitulate?

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Speaker 1: Are you a capitulator? Probably? If that's a word. If

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Speaker 1: you think there's anything in the Governor's DNA that says capitulator,

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Speaker 1: then you've lost yourself. In the emotion of the moment,

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Speaker 1: A number of people said, well, what do you How

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Speaker 1: can you negotiate with Madden. Answer is you might not

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Speaker 1: be able to, but your cards are limited. He's a strategist.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy who I think, at least in theory,

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Speaker 1: is trying to be pragmatic. He's not saying that means surrender,

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Speaker 1: or that he believes in surrender, or that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel as he told us pretty strongly about the policy,

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Speaker 1: the ice policy, that the president's policy that regarding ice

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Speaker 1: that has been implemented here.

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Speaker 2: So you can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 1: If you're applauding his willingness to criticize that, you can't,

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, say well, god, what a waffler.

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Speaker 1: Well wat's just because one of the texters said, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess I see everybody's supposed.

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Speaker 2: To leave the streets.

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Speaker 1: The governor was saying, okay, maybe you do try to

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Speaker 1: create some kind of a cease quote unquote cease fire,

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Speaker 1: but that's not capitulating because maybe at the end of

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Speaker 1: three days of conversation you you throw up your hands

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Speaker 1: very possibly, maybe even probably, and say we can't get anywhere. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well we we had to give it a try. His concern,

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Speaker 1: I think he articulated perfectly. Watch last night, if you did,

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Speaker 1: watch as I did, excellent in the street reporting on

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Speaker 1: Fox nine, trying to cover this story and covering it

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Speaker 1: as well under those circumstances as you can. And what

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Speaker 1: I think what struck me, I'm guessing struck most people.

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Speaker 2: Look how close.

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Speaker 1: The two the ice folks with the with the heavy

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Speaker 1: artillery and the protesters are my god, you're holding your

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Speaker 1: breath waiting for something to go amiss. That escalates it further.

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Speaker 1: He's watching that too, and he's saying, well, we all

787
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Speaker 1: agree that this can't stand. But the question is, strategically,

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Speaker 1: there's too many people out there who believe that any

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Speaker 1: kind of strategizing of this sort is a form of

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Speaker 1: capitulation or surrender. And I think part of Arnie's point

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Speaker 1: is what's this getting you right now?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: You could say the vigilance is important, We've got our

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Speaker 1: phone cameras, we're looking, we're watching, But does anybody believe,

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Speaker 1: including the mayors of the two cities, believe that this

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Speaker 1: this status quo is sustainable. You might be kidding yourself

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Speaker 1: thinking that you can have any meaningful negotiation, But what

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Speaker 1: are you losing if you do?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that basically what he said? I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I do know why because I get these texts every

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Speaker 1: day about how you people interpret whatever position you take

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Speaker 1: as some sign of either, as I said, capitulation or surrender.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not sure those folks live in the real world,

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Speaker 1: and you can grab onto that if you'd like. But

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Speaker 1: then you say, well, at the end of the night,

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Speaker 1: where are we that's any better than we were the

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Speaker 1: night before?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 1: And that's sort of where we are with this sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. I mean, the viral video we is still

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Speaker 1: getting out needs to get out on a number of

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Speaker 1: encounters that make no sense, that are well over the line.

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Speaker 1: There is no reason to believe that these folks think

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Speaker 1: there's any check or balance on their behavior, because there

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Speaker 1: hasn't been. They've got the vice president of the United State.

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Speaker 1: It's basically saying you got unlimited immunity.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely do what ever you want.

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Speaker 1: Exactly Does that mean that, as the chief of the

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis Police Chief you said yesterday you should well, actually

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Speaker 1: this wasn't the police chief. This was one of the

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Speaker 1: local heads of the NAACP, basically saying, if you are

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Speaker 1: being violent, if you are spitting at officers, we ain't

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Speaker 1: winning this is it isn't going to get us anywhere

824
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Speaker 1: that's particularly successful, no matter what level of rage you

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Speaker 1: might want to register or you might want to have.

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Speaker 1: So I I you may think the governor's naive.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he is.

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Speaker 1: I think he knows there's a very good chance that

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Speaker 1: some kind of negotiation isn't going to go anywhere because

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Speaker 1: we we know. Really the number one reason that the governor,

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Speaker 1: I should say, the president's taking the approach here, it's

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Speaker 1: a state that he doesn't like. It's just it's just factual,

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Speaker 1: It's just true. He's he bare a grudges, He's a

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Speaker 1: grievance guy. I'm gonna get even with you.

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Speaker 4: He brought it up with the Florida Panthers behind him

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Speaker 4: today at the White House?

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Speaker 2: Is Mineapolis. What's going on? By the way, Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: are behind So we'll do that.

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Speaker 1: But I want to at least get to that because

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Speaker 1: I think and I don't agree with him on everything

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Speaker 1: at all, but I think to dismiss what he's saying is,

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Speaker 1: you know what, are you gonna just surrender? Arnie Carlson.

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Speaker 1: He's not a surrender Dorothy guy at all. I think

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Speaker 1: he's made that very clear over the decade. Interesting insight

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Speaker 1: into the Harbaugh family, the inner workings, and you could

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Speaker 1: tell we should remind folks that Tom Crean's father in law,

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Speaker 1: Jack Harbaugh, who Glenn Mason once slept with. Now I

848
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Speaker 1: probably should clarify that a little bit. It doesn't say yeah, no.

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Speaker 1: The story has been told many times by Mace that.

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Speaker 4: He's a is he a recruiter at that point, I

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Speaker 4: thought he was a recruiter at a house state. He's

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Speaker 4: basically a young assistant assistant coach and he ends up

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Speaker 4: with no budget for no budget, so he ends up.

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Speaker 4: Harbor says, hey, I got a room, you just stay

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Speaker 4: in my room, and it turned out it was only

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Speaker 4: one bed.

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Speaker 1: So a guy he just met like three hours that morning.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the backdrop. So John Harbaugh then is Tom

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Speaker 1: Crean's brother in law. Jim Harbaugh is Tom Crean's brother

860
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Speaker 1: in law. He's married to a Harbaugh, and you could

861
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Speaker 1: tell he has a lot more he wants to say

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Speaker 1: about the way it ended for Jack in Baltimore, John,

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Speaker 1: I should say for John for you know, I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well, if I'm putting a

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Speaker 1: pecking order people, I'm I'm I'm you know, feeling sorry

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Speaker 1: for not sure John Harbaugh is at the top of

867
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: the list. Yeah, look at all the money he's getting now.

868
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: But it's family, so you're gonna have that reaction. And

869
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: that still doesn't mean he was necessarily treated well with

870
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: the way he ended up getting dismissed after a great run.

871
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: But it was you he gave us, I think more

872
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: than he intended totally, but you could tell there was

873
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot more. There was a lot more on the

874
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: platter he wanted to get to if he could. But

875
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: he's kind of trying to give John a chance to

876
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: speak up when he wanted.

877
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: Taking the high road. Yeah, taking the high road. And

878
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: that's what family's supposed to do, always going to back

879
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: their guy.

880
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: I just love.

881
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: That Jack Harbaugh told the Glen Mason story, like, are

882
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 4: they watching a game?

883
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: Are they watching BTN? One day?

884
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, when Tom's coaching Indiana and they flashed

885
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: to it and it's Jerry DeNardo and and Glenn Mason

886
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 4: and Jack Harbus says, oh, yeah, I shared a hotel

887
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 4: room with that guy in nineteen seventy two.

888
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: Like, how does Jack Harbaugh? I know what mass brings

889
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: up the story?

890
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the idea that that Tom brought as you

891
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: were basically telling me, hey, we don't forget the Harbaugh story.

892
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: He's bringing it up.

893
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: Tom Crean is he's like, because he's sorted to say, well,

894
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a story and we're going to could

895
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: what are the odds it's actually the story we're hoping

896
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: it is.

897
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: Too good?

898
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 4: How good is it that Mace he was connected He

899
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 4: had cross talk with Arnie, Yes, and then he we

900
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: could have probably had him come back in, but then

901
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 4: he'd still be here, he'd still be here, and we

902
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: wouldn't have gotten to the other good stuff that Tom

903
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: Creane wanted to talk about, including Anthony Edwards and the

904
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: gambling story and just everything else. Because it's so good.

905
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: Mace was bookended by two guys that had history with him. Yeah,

906
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: in a way, that's the great things. The beauty of Mace,

907
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 4: that's the beauty of Mace's. Beauty about Louis is the

908
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: beauty of May of our guests. That's one of the

909
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: great things about the some of the guest folks that

910
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: we've had over the years.

911
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: It's it's extremely helpful.

912
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 4: I mean an hour and a half ago, I would

913
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: have thought Mace basically shutting down whoever was trying to

914
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 4: take him to sheiks was going to be one of

915
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: the top four things of the of the show, because

916
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 4: you know Louis and two days ago he did not

917
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 4: have the backbone to stand up and say no to

918
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: going to sheikhs and Mace said I'm not doing this.

919
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: I thought that was a revelation in the show, and

920
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: now that's like barely in the top ten moments.

921
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: Six' five to, One guy Or gal, writes why is

922
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: the onus of doing right and de escalating on protesters

923
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: and not THE ice agents and The fed we're occupying our.

924
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: CITY i don't believe the governor said the onus was

925
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: on the. Protesters what he's saying is he's real. World he's,

926
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: saying that's what we're dealing. With that's the loose cannon

927
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: we're forced to deal with right. Now so, therefore what

928
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: you hope to do is could direct connect contact have any?

929
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: Impact AND i thought it was interesting to hear from

930
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: him that he believes that the governor himself should be

931
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: less involved in all of, this AND i think he

932
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: said the TWO us senators get them more, involved et.

933
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: CETERA i don't believe he ever said anything, like, well,

934
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: oh by the, way it's all on the it's all

935
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: on the. Protesters you can still think what you think

936
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: that the biggest issue in the metro area is the ice.

937
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: Approach it's my.

938
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: Opinion you may disagree with, that and you're you're entitled

939
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: to disagree with, that But i'm saying you can believe

940
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: that which the governor does clearly and still think that

941
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: this Is i'm trying to find a way.

942
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: Out of the box because otherwise it's going to get

943
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: worse and.

944
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Worse and he's also reacting as the governor to the

945
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: threat about The Insurrection act and about using that it

946
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: goes back. Centuries that's rarely been, used but that would

947
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: open the door to a whole other level of concern and,

948
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: TRAGEDY i, think sadly for the great state Of. Minnesota

949
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: top of the hour, break we'll get to a couple

950
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: of other stories and review what you might have missed

951
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: today and on what's been a very fast moving and

952
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: yet oddly connecting or can did program as you say

953
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: from guest to guest to, guest.

954
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 4: Caff, an welcome some great shows To Mystic Lake. Amphitheater

955
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: John mellencamp will be There july, Fourteenth Chris stapleton On

956
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 4: july twenty ninth and, thirtieth And Guns N' roses will

957
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 4: be There august. Eighth you can get the complete details

958
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: on all our upcoming shows on the concert page caffan

959
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 4: dot com keyword.

960
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: Calendar it's my last attempt.

961
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: And Then i'm gonna just let it go And i'll

962
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: probably just a bow out.

963
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: At the batch On Brian kafan text line.

964
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: Four certainly the rest of this program and perhaps maybe

965
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: the next Two friday And monday as, well we'll see good.

966
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: Luck but then you can try to hold me to.

967
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: That Whether i'll hold it myself to that as another.

968
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: Issue maybe we'll add another layer of security so. Out

969
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: maybe that's, Frustrating maybe that's WHAT i. Need we'll just

970
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 4: make like a dummy password thing that you you can't get.

971
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Into we've got and this is, deliberate very deliberate on

972
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: the part of The. Sharks there's no question about. That

973
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: the Rities dan the biggest story Is. Ice what about

974
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: all the fraud that Our minnesota government is involved? In

975
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: and let RUN i think that is more important Than.

976
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: Ice they're both incredibly important, stories.

977
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: But they're. Separate in your political.

978
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: World there's been an effort to manipulate, one to make

979
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: it a part of the other when it Has let's

980
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: be clear about. It THE ice, effort in terms of

981
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: who is being detained and who is being, arrested has

982
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: literally nothing to do with the land of ten thousand fraud.

983
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: Cases zero doesn't mean it's not a legitimate. Story WHAT

984
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: i work that The texture is misquoting me IS i

985
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: said regarding the standoff between the protesters AND, ice in my,

986
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: opinion AND i said.

987
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: Freely you can. Disagree ice is the bigger.

988
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: Issue they have created the conditions that have led to

989
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: a lot of these. Disruptions that's my. Opinion you do

990
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: not have to agree with. It that Doesn't i'm not

991
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: comparing it to the fraud. Case we've covered the fraud

992
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: case about as extensively as we've covered ANY a section,

993
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: story probably in the last year or. Two AND i

994
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: don't apologize for any of. THAT i think it is

995
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: that important but when people that you're listening to tell, you,

996
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: well The dems wouldn't do anything about, fraud so the

997
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: president had to send in all of these ice folks

998
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: to take care of the. Fraudsters they're not looking for

999
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: people involved in any of these fraud.

1000
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: Cases many of, home.

1001
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: AS i, said have been successfully prosecuted by a prosecutor

1002
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: who now are finding out got.

1003
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: Fired do you remember how the story.

1004
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: Changed first it was they resigned in, protest including our

1005
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: Guy Joe. Thompson then it was made up story several

1006
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: of them were going to, Retire we're going to, leave

1007
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: and so this has nothing to do with any attempted.

1008
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: Protest and then.

1009
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: Now, it's, oh, NO i, fired we Fired Joe, thompson

1010
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: we fired actively. Dismissed so which pick a, STORY i would,

1011
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: say first of, all in terms of what it, was

1012
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: in terms of your willingness to try to dismiss think

1013
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: this is being important or crucial or. Not but beyond,

1014
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: that that's the, individual along With Andy, lueger who successfully

1015
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: prosecuted the individuals. Responsible they're on their way to prison

1016
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: depending on where their case. Is that has nothing to

1017
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: do with the arrests that are going on.

1018
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: Now EVEN i.

1019
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: THINK i, think, WELL i don't know if you ever admit,

1020
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: this but what do we hear from the. Administration we're

1021
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: going off after all the illegals that were brought in.

1022
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Here they're claiming many of them, criminals even though the

1023
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: sweeps are wider than. That so you can conflate if you'd,

1024
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: like if it makes you feel.

1025
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: Better but, yeah everybody's. Good we're getting rid of all.

1026
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: The people did the fraud, well that was being done, well,

1027
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: effectively legally by a really good prosecutor who now has

1028
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: been thrown out on his. Ass so the guy you

1029
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: were championing who was getting that, done the one guy

1030
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: who was actually doing something about that, issue has been

1031
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: tossed to the, street according to that latest story THAT

1032
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: i think broke earlier, Today i'll leave it pretty much at.

1033
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: That we have no Toy do we have Any Toy department? Stuff?

1034
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: Tonight?

1035
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: Oh we got The? Wild The?

1036
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Wild, yeah The wild. Tonight when does garn leave For

1037
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: courtina In? ITALY i don't. Know i'm gonna have to

1038
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: text him BECAUSE i THINK i want to try to

1039
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: create some kind of arrangement where he doesn't like go

1040
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: dark on us once he gets over, there AND i

1041
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: admit he might have a thing or two to, do

1042
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: but you know what he's. Running you know it's his. Team,

1043
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: well but his job's. Over he should, be he says.

1044
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 4: IT i heard him On beyond The, pond And i've

1045
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: heard the bild he, Said, Oh i've heard The bill

1046
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 4: Garn beyond The pond interview now replayed On wild broadcast

1047
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: more Than i've Heard Sarah spain on her rest of

1048
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 4: For berrero correct the H the way he says it,

1049
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: is you, know we picked the team and now it's

1050
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: the coach's job to, go so he should just be enjoying.

1051
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 4: Life do you think he should just be. Relaxing, WELL

1052
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 4: i don't think relax is the right. Word BUT i

1053
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: don't think he's going to be sitting in, meetings you,

1054
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 4: know doing line. CHARTS i wonder If fauln has heard

1055
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: the cheap shot about how many times he's replayed The garran.

1056
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 4: Interview i'm hoping to get a text he usually doesn't,

1057
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: miss And i'm sure he's listening right now in his

1058
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 4: layer because he's back wet In Casino.

1059
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: Arena we got a great comble.

1060
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: Earlier basically to you is basically saying closer to get to.

1061
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: Guards, ye this is a best of. Show this whole

1062
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: show could be a.

1063
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: Bit it's been a great it's a way because we

1064
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: knew who were gonna have but you never know how

1065
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: they're going to end up connecting in a way that

1066
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: we might not have easily predicted on any given. Day,

1067
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: correct that's the BEAUTY i. Know but will it hold

1068
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: up On Memorial? DAY i think that's the next best of?

1069
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Days that's the, problem is that far. OFF i don't

1070
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: know when our next best of would. Be, yeah that's

1071
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: a good. Point that is a way. Off that could

1072
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: be moldy by. Then you're, saying, yeah, yeah especially the.

1073
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: Governors i'm hoping it's moldy by. That.

1074
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't.

1075
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: Hope we're not Playing memorial playing that as if it's

1076
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: still relevant On Memorial.

1077
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: Day we got a. Problem did you catch.

1078
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 4: The one little Thing Tom crean said on the way

1079
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 4: out No? Where he, SAID i think the wolves are

1080
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 4: going to play for a long. Time, yeah, Yes but

1081
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 4: did you hear the last, part WHICH i thought was?

1082
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 4: Interesting he thinks The west is a lot More, yeah,

1083
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 4: WELL i thought that was.

1084
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: Intriguing but at that, point IF i allow another digression

1085
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about.

1086
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: Talking but, yeah that.

1087
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: Was interesting and that's something to follow up with the

1088
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: next time we chat with him about who's he because

1089
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: that would seem to indicate he thinks a couple of

1090
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: tea means that are highly regarded maybe aren't as good as.

1091
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: Advertised houston might be one of. Them, Yeah houston's been

1092
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: kind of. Weird now, again they lost their point guard

1093
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: early to, injury AND i don't know if they if

1094
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: that's still holding them back a little. BIT i still

1095
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 1: believe that even with the recent, SUCCESS i still Think

1096
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: conley's going to be sniffing around for an added. Piece

1097
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: and it might not be a starting point, GUARD i grant,

1098
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: that BUT i think he's still looking for a rotation

1099
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: piece that can well in best case scenario is a

1100
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: two way, player but at least somebody who can score

1101
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: a little bit off the, bench because who's our bench

1102
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: scorer now other than NOAs with the good nickname our

1103
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: bench oh bones, bones yeah bones highlile correct ye bones

1104
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: is is maybe he's going to be the guy the

1105
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: rest of the.

1106
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: Way by the, way you know what else you? MISSED i?

1107
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: Forgot speaking of, nicknames did you hear about the the.

1108
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: Wovel revelation about his. NICKNAME i, did oh you did hear?

1109
00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: That the?

1110
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: Scooter, yes scooter. SCOOTER i was listening to sermons That

1111
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: tam claims he's never talked about that. Before so now

1112
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: from this, Point, fard as far As i'm, concerned it's

1113
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: it's the rip. Off the trip. Off the tongue is,

1114
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: easily but it's SCOOTER E. Neil it doesn't doesn't work

1115
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: the same, way does. It, no we can just call him.

1116
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: Scooter just called. Scooter get like how he's sixty years. Old,

1117
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: yeah and he's thrown back to when he was. Seven

1118
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: that was outstanding because his, dad of course makes, sense WAS. L.

1119
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: E Neial. Jr or the Second so he had to

1120
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 2: Be scooter in the, neighborhood no. Question dan show rap is.

1121
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: Presented By American pressure commercial grade pressure washers since nineteen seventy.

1122
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: Five it's the bumper to bumper show.

1123
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: Rap this goes to show you that no matter how

1124
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: successful you are as an, organization eventually the jackals will

1125
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: come for. You latest, EXAMPLE i don't know if you

1126
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: saw the story That jonathan Kaminga Golden State warriors, yes

1127
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: has demanded a tray he's been in battles forever about playing,

1128
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: time and then he was the good, soldier and Then

1129
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: curse said we got to find a way to.

1130
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: Use, him AND i guess they're not musing him. Now

1131
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: so this IS.

1132
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't even know who the what outlet this, is

1133
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: but according to the Athletic Steve kerr and others in

1134
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: The warriors organization wanted to Draft Franz wagner Over JONATHAN

1135
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: kaminga could be, true but it could be LIKE i,

1136
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: said every The jackals are circling, right and it's convenient,

1137
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: now isn't, it because the cominga thing has been.

1138
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: Something of a.

1139
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: Disaster but on the other, hand you could say in

1140
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: a lot of other. Ways ever SINCE i can't remember

1141
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: the name of the chief Brain whizzard to ended up

1142
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: ON abc AND espn broad. Tires ever since he, LEFT

1143
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: i don't think things have been quite as good In

1144
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: Golden state. Either SO i don't know who to, blame

1145
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: but sooner or, later you'll get blamed for something that

1146
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: you may or may not have had anything to do,

1147
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: with even if it is a and now somewhat historic

1148
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: franchise like The Golden State warriors have become on the

1149
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: basis of their success over the course of the last

1150
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: ten plus. YEARS i want to thank an outstanding. Bevy

1151
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: that was our pick.

1152
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: Too, right was?

1153
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: It i'm looking it. Up that must have been from

1154
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: THE dlo. TRADE i don't even all is that?

1155
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: Right?

1156
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 4: Yeah it says pick Seven jonathan Kaminga Golden State warriors From.

1157
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 4: Minnesota that's Our delo. Revenge, yeah that's what it, IS i.

1158
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 4: Guess and then what did we Uh dalo does that

1159
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 4: to GET? DELO i think?

1160
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: So and then did we Trade dealo away For Mike

1161
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: conley And Niki that's, right that's. Right i'm trying to

1162
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: be a pretty good deal. Now nikhil's not, here, no

1163
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: but he was. HELPFUL i want to thank our guest lineup,

1164
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: today Former Governor Arnie. Carlson if you missed, it it'll be.

1165
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: Podcastable he joined at three point Thirty Glenn mason in.

1166
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: Studio mace And arnie kind of renewed. Acquaintances that was

1167
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: cool early in The mace in Your face, segment and

1168
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:01,479
Speaker 1: Then Tom crean joined to Talk harbaugh The harba's because

1169
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: he's in the family and the newest betting. Scandal really

1170
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: it's not a new. Scandal but charges are filed in

1171
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: a huge point shaving, scheme as we discussed at the

1172
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: top of the show and then eventually even got to

1173
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: some minister Of Timperle stock in his own take on

1174
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: The Anthony edwards move to leave the court about halfway

1175
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: through the fourth quarter of the game In.

1176
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 4: Atlanta as someone who knows a thing or two about

1177
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 4: tennis and specifically like women's daytime leagues they have where

1178
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: people can go different clubs at. Play i'm just imagining

1179
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 4: being across the court From JONY i think her name

1180
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 4: Is Joni Harbaugh, crean just trying to get a workout

1181
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 4: in while the kids are at, School, yes and having

1182
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 4: someone attacking the day with enthusiasms unknown de Mankind Jony

1183
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 4: harbaugh on the other, side which he said she has

1184
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 4: taken up tennis and is more competitive than her.

1185
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: Brothers, yeah that would not be.

1186
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: Fun, NO i probably, that but it is instructive the

1187
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: competitive nature of the entire. FAMILY i guess if you're

1188
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: in the, family in a Family jim And John, harbaugh

1189
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: you may not have a choice but to be competitive

1190
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: With jack is the, father With jack is the. Father,

1191
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: yeah it all fits, together and that was all part

1192
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: of what we got to with With. Tom With tom

1193
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: married To tom and you're married To, TOM i wouldn't call. Him,

1194
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: yeah lack a daisical at? All by, amys he's he's

1195
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: still he's still going pretty. Good, yeah it was a

1196
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: Good so that was Between that started about five oh

1197
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: two and it went to about five. FORTY i went

1198
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: a little bit, long but it was worth every minute of.

1199
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: It Tomorrow's, friday so we are doing? Picks is that?

1200
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: Correct you AND i are for? SURE i don't, know,

1201
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: RIGHT i forgot remember made it sound like he's. OUT

1202
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: I i, mean we'll have to figure we go like

1203
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: we've been. Going we get some guest people in that

1204
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: worked out really. Well guessling hung around with for the

1205
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: pick segment the week. Before guessling is expected to join

1206
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: us at the usual time four, thirty and Then scooter

1207
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: will join us at five. Thirty, that of course is Lavelle.

1208
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: E you know the Third we found out. Though as a,

1209
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: baby his mom started calling Him scooter because he would

1210
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: scoot to the edges of the crib the same.

1211
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 4: Spot, yeah it's just too. Good Just leavell as a baby's. Scooter,

1212
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 4: well and the Story.

1213
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: Leavell told us last week from the CRUISE i, know

1214
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: but he brothers brother is in the bed and he's

1215
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: got to move them over because the beds are kind

1216
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: of close together on the cruise.

1217
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: Ship and then some gas may have Been he said

1218
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 2: he had to retreat to the.

1219
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: Balcony falcony kind of a humble, brag reminding us he

1220
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: had a. Balcony it, is but, yeah that that was

1221
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: in the that that story you can't.

1222
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: Expect that's the beauty of.

1223
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: It louis telling us about being invited to participate in

1224
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: mud wrestling with some girls at checks with me And

1225
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: Jean me And Gene oakland. CANNOT i, mean that's just

1226
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: not on The bengo card. Either that's the beauty of

1227
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: it when it is revealed on our.

1228
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: Show, right it's been an odd.

1229
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: Week it has been very much a, week and there's

1230
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of a lot of tough stuff.

1231
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: Too so we'll continue to try to that balancing act

1232
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: pretty much the the rest of the, way uh, tomorrow

1233
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: at least through. Tomorrow did we do bonus bucks? Today

1234
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: and DID i forget to give you the chance to?

1235
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 4: Well yes and yes, no, yes it's not all your

1236
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 4: fault is my fault. Time he did it the first,

1237
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 4: time and then we got talking To mace AND i

1238
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: lost myself In Tom quane's.

1239
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 3: Eyes me.

1240
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: Too it's hard not To we're supposed to get snow.

1241
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: Overnight is that? Correct around? Tomorrow one to three?

1242
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: Inches is that WHAT i? READ i.

1243
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: DON'T i can't confirm, that but, maybe, well we'll see

1244
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: if it's nonmi. Worthy i'm not exactly, sure BUT i

1245
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: do know That i'm very much looking forward to the

1246
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: football this. Weekend did you see The Sam darnold News he's?

1247
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: Questionable is questionable with some. Obleaking, YES i did see.

1248
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: THAT i don't even know who their backup quarterback is In,

1249
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: seattle do YOU i. Don't we'll have to find. OUT

1250
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: i guess that would be a stunning. DEPARTURE i think

1251
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a tough game. Regardless for, two nine

1252
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: ers are, weird yep in that they they you, know

1253
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: they're not a great team at this, point but they

1254
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: are a very resourceful, team and they are well, coached and.

1255
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: You, know with what they went Into philly to, do

1256
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: AND i know The.

1257
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: Eagles are a bit, Damaged i'm still that's still impressive.

1258
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: PERFORMANCE i, mean we never went Into philly in one like?

1259
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: That did We, no.

1260
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: Not like, that certainly not after The minneapolis. Miracle that's for.

1261
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 4: Sure all, right full show, tomorrow three to six. Thirty

1262
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 4: you got, it that's the. Plan you got, It this

1263
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 4: little wild hockey, tonight is that?

1264
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: Correct right after fan, demand right after fan right after

1265
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: fan on demand on the. Air we hope you enjoy

1266
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: the evening and we'll start it all over again tomorrow

1267
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: AT i said three o'clock and highly.

1268
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: Recommend if you weren't.

1269
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: Around for parts of the show, today you give it

1270
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: you check out the, podcast available of course via the, free,

1271
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: free Free iHeartRadio. App is just about everything else is

1272
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: related to the Fan we'll talk.

1273
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 5: Tomorrow if you ever go To, houston you gotta walk,

1274
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 5: right gotta keep your hands deep in your pocket and

1275
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 5: your gun belt.

1276
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: Tight it's a, nice frayed nice in his.

1277
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 5: Face thank you for the, Memories thank you for the great.

1278
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 5: Time we love, you D Go.

1279
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,479
Speaker 2: Twins thank you for the, airtime And i'll talk to you. Soon,

1280
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: gus what you say