WEBVTT - 12-15-25 Scott Sloan Show

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be an American Scouts Long back

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<v Speaker 1>at at seven hundred ww on the coldest winter morning,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a long time six inches of snow over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>It was beautiful if you watch it yesterday a little chili,

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<v Speaker 2>especially ahead of the Bengals game. We had warnings danger

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<v Speaker 2>with the cold tempts which means hypothermi and frostbite. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me lay it out for you. The coldest day ever

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<v Speaker 2>at pay Course Stadium yesterday, and you ask fans to

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<v Speaker 2>get up early to clear the ice and snow from

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<v Speaker 2>your driveways, Clear the ice and snow off your cars,

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<v Speaker 2>buy extra clothes, probably drive on icy roads, pay to park,

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<v Speaker 2>pay for seats, and the county taxi as well. They

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<v Speaker 2>just shelled out over two hundred million dollars to upgrade.

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<v Speaker 2>You get to the stadium for the Bengals Ravens tilt

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have to clean your seats off yourself

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<v Speaker 2>and sit with your feet and butts on more snow

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<v Speaker 2>and ice to watch them lay a twenty four to

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<v Speaker 2>nothing lopsided egg against Baltimore to be officially eliminated from

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<v Speaker 2>playoff contention. Now for the third year in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>what am i missing here. I don't think I'm missing anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It is seatgate on this Monday morning on seven hundred WLW,

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<v Speaker 2>we have Alisha Reese here and clean your own seat

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<v Speaker 2>day at pay Course Stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>Yesterday Alicia, welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>We just paid two hundred and twelve million dollars, gave

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals counting money, taxpayer money to redo pay Corps

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<v Speaker 2>and here we go again. You got to clean your

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<v Speaker 2>own seats off. Now what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, Sloan, I would

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<v Speaker 4>hope that the media this is frustrates me when they

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<v Speaker 4>report this. In terms of the Bengals Least deal, it

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<v Speaker 4>was not unanimous. I've voted against it. I did not

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<v Speaker 4>support the two hundred and eleven million dollars last Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 4>which has seemed really rushed. I said, now, what are

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<v Speaker 4>we rushing to pay this two hundred and eleven million

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<v Speaker 4>plus dollars to the Bengals when the least is eleven years?

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<v Speaker 5>And we passed that.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not support it. I didn't vote yet as

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<v Speaker 4>that was passed before. We have passed the balanced budget

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<v Speaker 4>that we have to do. We have the budget, the

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<v Speaker 4>People's budget, which is due this week. We have to

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<v Speaker 4>pass that by by Thursday. But it seemed to be

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<v Speaker 4>a rush before this game to hurry up. We had

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<v Speaker 4>to sell notes, check out more debt which comes with interest,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was a rush. And we normally vote on Thursdays,

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<v Speaker 4>but they were rushing. We got a pay, we got

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<v Speaker 4>to upgrade the stadium for the future, and I kept saying, well, we.

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<v Speaker 5>Do this before.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now we got a budget where Prosecutor office may

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<v Speaker 4>be laying off people. We haven't balanced it yet. We

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<v Speaker 4>have a budget right now because of this lease that

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<v Speaker 4>I voted against. The property text for homeowners is going

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<v Speaker 4>to go up next year in a month, a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of weeks, they're going to get their bills, and you

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<v Speaker 4>didn't want to give the homeowners a break. But there

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<v Speaker 4>seems to have been this rush or to vote on

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<v Speaker 4>a Tuesday, I believe, or Thursday. They were saying, talk

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<v Speaker 4>about it on Tuesday. But the rush a week before

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<v Speaker 4>the budget is due to be passed to give the

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<v Speaker 4>Bengals over two hundred million dollars. And then we we

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<v Speaker 4>have Sunday with this situation where the seats aren't you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the seats aren't aren't cleaned. Everyone else was making sure

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<v Speaker 4>the city and everyone else was trying to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that the streets and all those things were clean. Because

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<v Speaker 4>this wasn't like a surprise snow right.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw this, We saw this coming. We saw this coming.

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<v Speaker 2>He was coming to clean our driveways, our cars. But

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<v Speaker 2>the good news here is that according to the team,

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL rule book, by the way, says that

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<v Speaker 2>you're required to remove snow from the entire seating bowl

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<v Speaker 2>before games. The NFL said, well, the Bengals did the

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<v Speaker 2>bare minimum to meet that requirement. But it is not

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<v Speaker 2>the first time this has happened. Happened a year I

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<v Speaker 2>think two years ago where the seats weren't cleaned off.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fan safety issue during severe weather. And

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<v Speaker 2>so what what enforcement mechanisms does a county have. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have any any saying their their ability to keep

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<v Speaker 2>fans safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, keywords you said was bare minimum, and that's what

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen. There's been a bare minimum, and then it's

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<v Speaker 4>on the backs of the taxpayers. One of the things

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<v Speaker 4>I want to make sure, because you always got to

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<v Speaker 4>read the fine print. When I get down to back

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<v Speaker 4>down to the office, I want to ask the administrator.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to make sure there's no small print or

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<v Speaker 4>any written clause that turns it back on the taxpayers

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<v Speaker 4>of Hamilton County because a lot of things that in

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<v Speaker 4>the in these leases, they've been very uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>being an ownership has been very good at flipping things back.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that has any cost association, it gets slipped

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<v Speaker 4>back to the county. So, you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 4>reasons I've been one of waits to hear from our

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<v Speaker 4>administrator because I don't want to have something that he said,

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<v Speaker 4>oh well, you know in this over here it was

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<v Speaker 4>a little line and we agreed to pay for it,

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<v Speaker 4>because there's a lot of things in that lease that

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<v Speaker 4>in other other owners other markets, they you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>team pays forward the ownership, and in our market there

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<v Speaker 4>seems to be a lot of things that fall on

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<v Speaker 4>the tax payers. And so I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>before speaking definitively that that hadn't slipped in somewhere and

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden it becomes you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Mission counties. Well, the good news, isy a.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a copy of the master agreement here and

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<v Speaker 2>it is on page nine thirty seven, paragraph twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>sub section eleven, double E. It says that any finds

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<v Speaker 2>levied by the National Football League relative to snow removal

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<v Speaker 2>shall be under the sole province and paid exclusively by

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<v Speaker 2>Commissioner Alsia Reese Hamlin County.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you make it?

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<v Speaker 4>I know they love to hear that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why I said no.

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<v Speaker 4>To this least, No to the least the.

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<v Speaker 5>Least put it on.

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<v Speaker 4>It's always and also don't want they say, well, now,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because we got these new changes and we'll

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<v Speaker 4>slip it in and and that's what I hear. A

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<v Speaker 4>lot of it always flips back to the to the taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that's where I have some concern and making sure,

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<v Speaker 4>yes we do have facilities people, Yes we do have

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<v Speaker 4>those things, but we should not be paying for all

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<v Speaker 4>of the extras. And that's what usually happens to to uh,

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<v Speaker 4>to us. What I've seen in my years of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>my few years of being down there, it has been

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<v Speaker 4>shocking to me. But but no, it was a flap

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<v Speaker 4>of the face to to the to the fans. And

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<v Speaker 4>we knew. Everyone knew that this weather was coming. They

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<v Speaker 4>knew when the snow was falling. They even reported when

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<v Speaker 4>it was going to stop falling. They knew that the

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<v Speaker 4>the that it was going to get colder and all

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<v Speaker 4>those kind of things. And at this at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the day, you have the word bear minimum. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's what's been going.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the subject on my show today. We'll get after

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<v Speaker 3>you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk more about the bare minimums, because

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<v Speaker 2>that really is what what the driver here is, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>what the legendary cost cutting measures of teams have during

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<v Speaker 2>the negotiations during contract Have you ever raised concerns with

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<v Speaker 2>team ownership about a pattern of prioritizing profit and expenses

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<v Speaker 2>over fan experience that coming.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we started with that.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, well, wait a minute, because remember I was

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<v Speaker 4>on your show and there were some concerns about the

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<v Speaker 4>seats that are not in the club level where they

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<v Speaker 4>can make more money. Remember I said, what about the

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<v Speaker 4>seats up at the top when they were redoing seats

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<v Speaker 4>brought broken the broken escalator. We were talking about that.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have constantly been on fan experience when they

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<v Speaker 4>come down there, whether they're coming down for a game

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<v Speaker 4>or another event, but fan experience. And then remember they

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<v Speaker 4>we got these reports about we we you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>stadium didn't get good uh didn't get good grades nationally

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<v Speaker 4>at the top. They even went into the food.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember they talked.

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<v Speaker 4>About the food for the for the team players families

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<v Speaker 4>and uh, they also talked about help we got food.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember for disability, a gentleman couldn't get to the restroom

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<v Speaker 4>because it's not just it's not accessible throughout the whole stadium.

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<v Speaker 4>I even talked about going into the stadium. They would

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<v Speaker 4>have people. Uh they would say, well, no, you got

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<v Speaker 4>to go all the way to the other side of

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<v Speaker 4>a person walking with a walker trying to get to

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<v Speaker 4>the sensibilities area. And I said, listen to all areas

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<v Speaker 4>this twenty twenty, you know five all areas should be

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<v Speaker 4>accessible in this day and climate. And so those were

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<v Speaker 4>some of the things that we keep hearing that we

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<v Speaker 4>are always doing the bare minimum with the top dollar

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<v Speaker 4>on the taxpayers. Even in this deal, they come in

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<v Speaker 4>and say, well, we're gonna do the bare minimum for

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<v Speaker 4>the homeowners. Even though the homeowners were promised thirty percent

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<v Speaker 4>were gonna do the bare minimum, and they went to

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<v Speaker 4>four percent. So it seems to be a pattern of

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<v Speaker 4>the bare minimum. I said, hey, we want to have

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<v Speaker 4>more events there. Remember we wanted to have the WWE.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it was the smack down Summer summer swam right,

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<v Speaker 4>they went to Cleveland. We at that time we hadn't

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<v Speaker 4>even applied. So I came on your show you mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 4>I said we should apply once again. We do the

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<v Speaker 4>bare minim. Well, we can't have one event a year,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know that's good enough. So it has been

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<v Speaker 4>the bare minimum, bare minimum on their end, but the

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<v Speaker 4>top dollar on the tax payer end.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no Commissioner Lisha resh on this year, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about shovelgate at pay Corpse Stadium and acting like this

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<v Speaker 2>is hey, this is a rare weather circumstance. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've known about this for days in advance, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get bitterly cold temperatures on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>That forecast was accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>You planned for that kind of stuff, and we act

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<v Speaker 2>as if or the response has been, well, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a while, it's a big deal. You got to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in ice and snow. It's not like we don't get

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<v Speaker 2>ice and snow in Cincinnati. And there are the cold

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<v Speaker 2>weather stadiums, and I consider it's a cold weather stadium

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<v Speaker 2>this time of year that they you don't see that happening.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, now, if you get an event where it's

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<v Speaker 2>snowing an inch an hour, it's going to be awfully

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<v Speaker 2>tough to clear. We understand that we've seen that before,

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<v Speaker 2>but the storm had ended, plenty of places were cleared off.

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't be that much to ask if they were

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<v Speaker 2>clearing it as the snow fell before it turned to ice.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you make sure that doesn't happen again? And

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<v Speaker 2>I say that because I think it was the last

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<v Speaker 2>time the Bengals were in the playoffs three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I recall or maybe the year before, where the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing happened. The snow fell and there was no adequate

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<v Speaker 2>planning place to remove the snow and they said, I

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do better next time. Your contemporary there on the commission,

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie Summer Dumas, said that we need to do a

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<v Speaker 2>better job for next time. Well, this is the next

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<v Speaker 2>time after three years ago. It doesn't seem like they

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<v Speaker 2>care or the messages have been received. Do you have

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<v Speaker 2>any influence in your position to make that happen?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I believe that the influence that the county commissioners

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<v Speaker 4>had is when we went into the negotiation, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>why everything in negotiation needed to really be on the

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<v Speaker 4>table with you know, some type of penalty because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if someone goes in there and say they fail, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>then there's a liability that could you know, fall on

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<v Speaker 4>the county as well, the county taxpayers. When they filed

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<v Speaker 4>that lawsuit about the restroom, they didn't just put the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 4>they put they put Hamilton County. And then the Bengals

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<v Speaker 4>ownership wanted to remove themselves from the lawsuit and leave

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<v Speaker 4>it to the taxpayers. And so really these type of things,

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<v Speaker 4>that's why I went to know on the on the deal,

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<v Speaker 4>you've got to really and then be enforceable. It can't

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<v Speaker 4>be Well, they made a call to the administrator and

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<v Speaker 4>now he comes and we don't get to talk to

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<v Speaker 4>each other. Three of us are on the county commission

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<v Speaker 4>of to talk. That would be a majority, so there's

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<v Speaker 4>only one person who can talk to all three of us,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we end up saying one thing, and then

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<v Speaker 4>he has a meeting and then they come out and

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<v Speaker 4>then the next thing, I know, well, we're okay with it.

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<v Speaker 4>We should have you know, we've got it again. If

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<v Speaker 4>we hadn't rushed last week to do the two one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and eleven million dollars we'd had some leverage, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard to have leverage. If you've given them the

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<v Speaker 4>checkbook and you've written a blank.

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<v Speaker 3>Check, that's over.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to have some Yeah, you talked about seat gate,

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<v Speaker 4>has been homeowner gate. I mean, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of gates down there.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it's a lot of things going on, but

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<v Speaker 5>you got to take care of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, you're negotiating the check book. That's where

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<v Speaker 4>you have the power.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you hold it.

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<v Speaker 2>Most I would say almost every other NFL team save

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<v Speaker 2>maybe one except I don't know if there's an exception

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<v Speaker 2>or not to that would look at in the public

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<v Speaker 2>outcry going. Man, you know what, it's the fan experience.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bad look for the team. It's a bad

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<v Speaker 2>look for the city and the franchise because things like

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<v Speaker 2>this happen, not not frequently, but enough to establish a

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<v Speaker 2>pattern if you go back in time, that they simply

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<v Speaker 2>will do the bare minimum and don't care what the

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<v Speaker 2>fans or the media or anyone else thinks for that matter.

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<v Speaker 2>They only care about what their opinions are inside pay

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<v Speaker 2>corps in the front office, and typically other teams would

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<v Speaker 2>look at this and go, yeah, this, this gives our

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<v Speaker 2>franchise a bad look. We better clean this up and

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<v Speaker 2>fix it for next time. I think almost every other

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<v Speaker 2>NFL team thinks that way, except the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I can't tell you how they think. I just

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<v Speaker 4>know that when I look at the actual deal. And

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<v Speaker 4>when you have a chance, Remember we had to have

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<v Speaker 4>a free watch party, Sloan, you and I. They said

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<v Speaker 4>let's do what. It came from a It came from

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<v Speaker 4>a fan that said let's do it. They were once

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<v Speaker 4>said we can't do it, and then the next thing

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<v Speaker 4>I know, they came back with it. We found a

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<v Speaker 4>way to do it. Now we want to do it

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<v Speaker 4>for ninety nine dollars. We wanted to have some free

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<v Speaker 4>to get back to the fans every time we want

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<v Speaker 4>to do. We wanted to have something to get back

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<v Speaker 4>to the homeowners.

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<v Speaker 5>And they said, now we want.

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<v Speaker 4>All the money, and now we only can do four.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying. So anything that doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Make money, from what I've seen, it's always we'll put

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<v Speaker 4>it on the If it costs money, the taxpayers, we

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<v Speaker 4>want you to pay. If it makes money, then again

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<v Speaker 4>then it's okay for them. And again there was so

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<v Speaker 4>much pressure to pass this two hundred eleven million dollars

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<v Speaker 4>right before. I don't know if they knew that the

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<v Speaker 4>season was going to end or something, but it was,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>The administration said, we got it.

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<v Speaker 4>We gotta go, said, this is an eleven year deal.

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<v Speaker 4>Why we gotta do it so quick? We gotta do it,

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<v Speaker 4>even before we balance the budget.

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<v Speaker 5>We gotta do it.

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<v Speaker 4>And now they've done it, and uh, it's two hundred

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<v Speaker 4>eleven million dollars out a three hundred and fifty million

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<v Speaker 4>we don't put. That's a pretty big front load. And

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<v Speaker 4>now here we are, not even a week later, and

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<v Speaker 4>now we're talking about, well, wait a minute, the seats.

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<v Speaker 4>What wasn't now you know, well it removed from seat.

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<v Speaker 3>You feed enough pigeons, you get fat, happy pigeons. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what you get.

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<v Speaker 2>Commissioner Lisha Reese on seatgate this morning on seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>W there's nothing you can do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over. But uh, it helps I think collectively to complain.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think it's you know, we got to bring

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<v Speaker 4>these things up and and I'm gonna ask the administrator

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<v Speaker 4>to see what really can be done, and it should

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<v Speaker 4>be done. But I want to make sure Swan thank

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<v Speaker 4>you for having me on. But I hope these media

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<v Speaker 4>when they write that he said, commissioners passed two hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and eleven million dollars. I didn't vote yes. Please it

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<v Speaker 4>was two to one.

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<v Speaker 3>We know, we know you made your case.

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<v Speaker 4>We got it.

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<v Speaker 3>I told you so. I told you so the I

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<v Speaker 3>told you so. Alisha. I always appreciate you coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a great day.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this, but Alisha Reese

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<v Speaker 2>did not vote for them. She always brings the heat,

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<v Speaker 2>and God knows we need some heat this morning, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you suffered through yesterday's If you suffered through yesterday's game,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and happened to go there, I'll bump you to

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the call list here because we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to examine from top to bottom the central idea of

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<v Speaker 2>the segment of the show this morning, from Alicia to

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<v Speaker 2>your calls coming up next after news, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>the bare minimum, Bengals, the bare minimum. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>just do the bare minimum, do you ever expect to

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<v Speaker 2>win a championship in your lifetime? We'll get to that

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<v Speaker 2>next on the show right after this on seven D

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<v Speaker 2>all right, slowly rolling with you on this cold Monday

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<v Speaker 2>morning on seven hundred ww that's a beauty of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Though it'll get better. It always gets better, and and

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<v Speaker 2>rather quickly. How crazy is this Rob Reiner thing that

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, Michelle Singer he murdered yesterday, found dead near

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles home outside of Brentwood. I believe prime suspect

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<v Speaker 2>as their son. Holy smokes. And what's really weird was

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I got Saturday? I was flipping through some stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>Spinal Tap two was on. Rob Ryan of course start

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<v Speaker 2>directed that one and makes me want to go away.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch the one, I guess, okay, but man at

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<v Speaker 2>first one.

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<v Speaker 3>Is just classic.

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<v Speaker 2>It's classic thought and I was thinking the time, going god,

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Briner, man talk about a guy just owns it,

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<v Speaker 2>and now on a day later he's murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, think of the movies he produced, Princess Bride,

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<v Speaker 2>Harry met Sally, stand by Me, a few good men.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned Spinal Tap, Misery with Kathy Bates and Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>King Men, goest to Mississippi. Tons of great movies he

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<v Speaker 2>made his director and of course you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>old enough, remember him as Meathead. It all started with Meathead.

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<v Speaker 2>Meathead is dead long lived meathead. There's a crazy story

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<v Speaker 2>continue unfold. We'll follow that for you too. Rough day

0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.160
<v Speaker 2>in the National Football yesterday, Micah Parsons and Pat Mahomes

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<v Speaker 2>both going down with knee injuries, season ending knee injuries.

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<v Speaker 3>DeVante Adams thought a hamstring. It was rough.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, so, you know, things could be worse, but how

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<v Speaker 2>much worse could they possibly be? For us here in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw about six inches of snowfall on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 2>I like snow. I thought it was a beautiful snowfall.

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<v Speaker 2>The better cold yesterday, no one likes. And ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals game, we had ample warning that there would

0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.760
<v Speaker 2>be snowfall. We knew what was coming. Despite us often

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<v Speaker 2>pointing fun and making fun of and rightly so, climbate terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they got it right. And it was well, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get maybe four to five inch, okay, now, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go four to eight and yeah, most

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<v Speaker 2>of the avery six inches And of course he dangerously

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<v Speaker 2>cold temperatures following that, so that means hype with thermi

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<v Speaker 2>it means frostbrights. It was the coldest day ever at

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<v Speaker 2>pay Court Stadium. You ask fans to get up early.

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<v Speaker 2>You ask fans to clear ice off their driveway, snow

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<v Speaker 2>off their driveways, off their cars, buy extra clothes, probably

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<v Speaker 2>drive on icy roads, pay to park, pay for seats

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<v Speaker 2>at the stadium, which, by the way, just last week,

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<v Speaker 2>just last week, as Alisha Rees pointed out, we spent

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and eleven, two hundred and twelve million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to upgrade. And you show up after doing all that

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<v Speaker 2>for a team that is just about da and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to clear the seats off using your credit cards

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<v Speaker 2>and your gloves, and you put all that snow where

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<v Speaker 2>at your feet to stand on more snow and morice

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<v Speaker 2>to watch them lose twenty for nothing and simply not

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<v Speaker 2>show up and be eliminated from the playoffs for the

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<v Speaker 2>third year in a row. As a Bengal fan, how

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<v Speaker 2>does that make you feel? As a taxpayer, how does

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<v Speaker 2>that make you feel? The scary part about this is

0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:06.400
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals, and Alicia touched on it slightly, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the problem with this whole thing is it's the bare

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 2>minimum Bengals. The Bengals have been a bare minimum team

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 2>during their existence. That and I'm convinced that the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>will never win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know how close we are. I'll get to that

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<v Speaker 2>in a second. But we hear about all the seismic

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<v Speaker 2>changes that have occurred since Burrow's arrival, you know, the

0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.000
<v Speaker 2>ring of honor, on and on, which is true. There's

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<v Speaker 2>been some changes, But the clear, unchanging, immovable fact, the

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<v Speaker 2>irrefutable truth, is this team will always do the bare

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<v Speaker 2>minimum required that existing is plenty. It's plenty, the bare minimum.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at the front office now, granted they've

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<v Speaker 2>added some pieces here, but still the league's smallest front office.

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.080
<v Speaker 2>We have the small scouting staff and analytics the players

0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.919
<v Speaker 2>at one time, and this goes back in history. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>when players were told to hey, if you want gatorade,

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 2>you got to stop at UDF and bring bring yourself

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<v Speaker 2>with bottle of water.

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<v Speaker 3>We got a drinking fount in here, we got bottle water. No,

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<v Speaker 3>bring your own bottle of water.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a time where I think it was a

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<v Speaker 2>visitors locker room, or maybe it was also the homelocker

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and they had to use hand towels instead of full

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<v Speaker 2>sized tolls. They only had hand tols. It was TJ.

0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Huschman Zada. That said, the Bengals made us jockstraps the

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<v Speaker 2>only option for player, So Willie Anderson went out and

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<v Speaker 2>acts with his own money, bought jockstraps to the entire team.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times where the Bengals refuse to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>hotels for a team to stay at the hotel before

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.719
<v Speaker 2>home game. Hell, look what they did with Boomer sizing.

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<v Speaker 2>If you, hey, we're gonna induct you in the Ring

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<v Speaker 2>of Honor, We're gonna give you two complementary tickets, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you want more, you got to pay for those.

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<v Speaker 2>And also we're not picking up the tab for your

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.560
<v Speaker 2>travel or your accommodations. We saw the contract stands of

0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.560
<v Speaker 2>legendary contract stands and makes one wonder why are we

0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 2>doing this? You wound up signing Trey Hendrickson anyway, you

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.680
<v Speaker 2>wind up signing Shamar Stewart over that standoff, and what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just consistently great among the worst teams in the

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.639
<v Speaker 2>league when it comes to that, the NFLPA, the player

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<v Speaker 2>Sociation report cards. When it comes to the treatment of families,

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<v Speaker 2>Bengal's always been at the bottom. Remember when the players'

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 2>wives are breastfeeding their infants, their new boards on the

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 2>bathroom floor. There's no family area there now. Granted, is

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:16.919
<v Speaker 2>that a luxury, sure, but you know, if the rest

0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.399
<v Speaker 2>of the league is doing it, you probably should do

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<v Speaker 2>that as well. And I bring it up because you go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean, Sloan, that they're not gonna win

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<v Speaker 2>a Super Bowl in our lifetime? I think because the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>There's such parody in the NFL, unlike just about any

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<v Speaker 2>other sport out there, that eventually you can stumble your

0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.440
<v Speaker 2>way into the Super Bowl. You can stumble your way

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<v Speaker 2>into greatness. And if you don't believe me, how did

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals get to the Super Bowl? Well, they drafted

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Joe Burrow. They got Jamar Chase. They

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<v Speaker 2>have lost for so long and so legendary that they

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<v Speaker 2>amassed unlosable players, players that are a lock to be

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<v Speaker 2>successful because they're so good, because that particular draft class

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<v Speaker 2>and that particular number one overall, Joe Burrow is so

0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.960
<v Speaker 2>spectacular that he will defy odds, can change a game

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<v Speaker 2>solely on his own ability. There are very few players

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<v Speaker 2>like that. The Bengals got at least a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys. So you look at also the Bengals coming

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.200
<v Speaker 2>out out of nowhere after multiple two win seasons, and

0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 2>they came out And that's true. In the playoffs, it's

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>about health. It's us about sneaking under the radar because

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 2>you know you got an easier schedule and people don't

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.919
<v Speaker 2>see it coming. Like the Patriots. Such a darling story

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 2>this year because no one saw that coming. I think

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>if you follow Footblay did because you know the pedigree

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of Mike Rabel and a lot of the players they

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:33.199
<v Speaker 2>had in Drake May fantastic. Now they lost yesterday. I'm

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>pretty happy as a Bills fan about that. But to

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 2>that point, you know you don't see that coming. I

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 2>think there's a big factor. Then you can prepare for

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 2>that going wow, Bengals with the Super Bowl last year,

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 2>we got it right for their schedule. Got toffer in

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 2>what happened? You missed the playoffs now three straight years,

0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 2>and so because of your incompetence, because of the bare minimum,

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>eventually water will find us, eventually get lucky. And I

0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.920
<v Speaker 2>think as opposed to a pattern of hey, we've turned

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 2>the Corners a franchise and now we have rebuilt everything

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 2>to the point where we're going to see nothing but

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 2>success in a dynasty here in Cincinnati. I mean that

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 2>sounded good after Super Bowl and literally could have won

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>that game. It was a quarter of a second. It

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 2>was literally if Joe Burrow had a quarter of a

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 2>second longer, it's a touchdown.

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Came over.

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the Rams went on and got the World

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 2>championship and we didn't. And it's been downhill since that point.

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I was peak, and we went downhill after that. Unfortunately,

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.159
<v Speaker 2>you make playoff appearance which you get bounced, and you know,

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 2>three straight with that. So here we are again, and

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm just absolutely convinced you do the bare minimum.

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 2>You may stumble in every twenty thirty forty years, but

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to build anything that's lasting. And that's

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 2>where we are in Cincinnati. I think that that is

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:45.919
<v Speaker 2>a factual, sound indictment of this franchise.

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 3>And it's not.

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Lost on me that just days ago, literally last week,

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the taxpayers of Hamlin County who got boned back in

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the nineties, we're on the hook for remodeling. Pay court

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.359
<v Speaker 2>of the two and two one hundred twelve thousand dollars

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 2>or two hundred MS or two hundredwelve million dollars, which

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>it was two and twelve thousand, two hundred and twelve

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 2>million dollars. And once the check was once we got

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the dealing together, it's like, okay, we'll just go back

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 2>to the way things were now. Granted, okay, a few

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 2>things change, got a ring of honor. They opened it

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.160
<v Speaker 2>up for the the Sane ex Elder Game a couple

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago. I thought that was great and that's

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 2>going on. But wasn't that wiped out yesterday by showing

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>up to your seats after all that and going, wait

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.439
<v Speaker 2>a minute, we can't move the snow and then to

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.199
<v Speaker 2>be told that, well, you just wipe them all.

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 3>You just wipe it off.

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have an usher. You just ask an usher.

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 2>You want to wipe your seat off?

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>By then it's it's a block ice, you know. Do

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 2>we expect the seats to be completely clear? And I

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>completely ice and snowflake for of course, not absolutely not.

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.160
<v Speaker 2>But there are plenty of other plenty of other cold

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>weather teams that have a plan in place to deal

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.360
<v Speaker 2>with it. I was talking to someone saying, well, you're

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 2>a Bills fan, you know how bad it is at

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 2>pay Corps or not. How bad is it high Mark

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>with the snow there like, well, you know, they pay

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 2>fans to come twenty dollars an hour to shovel snow.

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>They feed you, they give you food, they turn music on,

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:05.919
<v Speaker 2>they try to make it a good time and community thing.

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people show up on a pride to

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>clear that stadium up. Why can't the Bengals offer people

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty bucks an hour and free food if they're doing

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>that elsewhere to go, Hey, we got to extraordinary circumstances.

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 2>We're fighting for our lives and help something like that goes.

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>It's not cheap, that's help helping build community. But you

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 2>got to pay somebody twenty bucks an hour, it's just

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 2>cheaper to go. Oh the hell with it? Where they

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 2>let the fans worry about themselves. That's horrible, absolutely horrible,

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>And you know today should be the day a lot

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 2>of other franchises would go. You know what, based on

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>that performance, it's elimination. You guys got blown out twenty

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 2>four nothing against the divisional rival. Just a couple of

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:48.639
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. You throttled throttled up. You couldn't put up

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>any points against this team against Lamar Jackson. You couldn't.

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't someone have to pay for that? In most cities,

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:03.359
<v Speaker 2>in most NFL clients, the head coach would be canned.

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Today would be the day. And I think you know

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Zach Tayler's fine. No personal animus here. It's just the

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 2>fact that if you lay that kind of egg at

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 2>home with your season on the line, you shouldn't be

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 2>coaching the NFL. There has to be a head rolling here,

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and whether it's his fault or not, it doesn't matter.

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>But that's also the central theme. You could bring any

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 2>coach in here, the naxtic man up, finding some new,

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 2>brilliant offensive mind, some sort of new head. Plenty of opportunities.

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of candidates out there that are well qualified

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and many overdue to be NFL head coaches. There's no

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.159
<v Speaker 2>shortages of people who want to run a team in

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>this league. But does it really matter who you bring in?

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Does it matter who you bring in if the core

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 2>body itself isn't healthy and this team has been healthy

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. How the history of the Bengals

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>in the last thirty years has not been good. It's

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 2>an aberration for them to make the playoffs, insane. They

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 2>went to the playoffs is insane. They went to the

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl. But again, water is self loveling, always finds it.

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 2>And you know, here we are again the futility of

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals a third season where with this generational talent

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 2>that you have, arguably the best quarterback that the Bengals

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>have ever had, is wasting his prime years. Do you

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>think anything is going to change? And it's just it's

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 2>such a little thing, but it's a big thing at

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 2>the same time, going are you making this big a

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 2>deal over seats not getting cleaned off slan? I am,

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's indicative of the culture of this franchise. You know,

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>you you disagree with the notion that they old nickel

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>and dime. They throw nickels around like manhole covers, and

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>they're notoriously cheap and frugal in that whole thing. But

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>that's so tired and all. It's so tired. But again,

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 2>it just keeps happening.

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 3>And we just had this.

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't bring it up much, but like, for example,

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the Ring of Honor thing with Boomer.

0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 3>You get two tickets.

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>After that you gotta buy your own and you're on

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the hook for your own hotel and accommodations to induct

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>a guy who whose name is going to be up

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 2>there in that wall and that ring. For eternity, you

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 2>can't pick up the flight in the hotel for this guy.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're worth billions of dollars. It's that kind

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 2>of mindset that just continues to percolate from time to time.

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 2>The snow removal thing is small, but it's part of

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>a bigger picture that it's about profit over success. And hey,

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>if you can make a profit and maximize your profits

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and not spend any money and still achieve success, then

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the team wins. But if you're a Bengal fan and

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 2>you're expected to go and buy the merchandise, you buy

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the tickets, you buy the parking, and then get to

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the stadium to your seat, which costs a small fortune

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>to attend an NFL game, to support a team that's

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>literally on its last dying guests of the season to survive,

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>to go to the playoffs in a snowbell's chance. If

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 2>you have a snowball's chance, if you will and you

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>go and you support that team, you got to feel like,

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>why am I invested in? Why do I care more

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>than the ownership? And I think it's just indicative of

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:12.959
<v Speaker 2>where we are and since then and have been. As

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>long as things change, they sure stay the same. And

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>we've seen this movie time and time and time again.

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I thought you turned the corner of the Super Bowl,

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and it turns out that was just Lady Luck rearing

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>her head. Lady Luck was on your side that season,

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 2>because since that has been typical Bengals. As they say,

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know quite honestly what or how things change,

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>But if they were a serious organization, would not they

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>be changing head coaches and also moving on from Duke Tobin.

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I would say, who is also and probably has a

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>bigger hand in this whole thing. Do they look at going, wow,

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 2>we've got to get more bodies in here. We got

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>to take seriously the preparation, the scouting and all that

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff should be in play. But they don't do that.

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>They add little pieces, but now big ones. And so

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>it stands the Bengals eliminated yesterday. But more important than that,

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the fan experience took a big step backwards. Scott's loan

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>show seven hundred WW since.

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Now do you want to be an American?

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Tell me back on seven hundred w WELW I don't

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 2>have to tell you about healthcare costs justin like since

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 2>two thousand, they the number there has tripled in most cases.

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>And we're tired, and I'm just talking about healthcare, but

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>pharmaceuticals and everything. And we know what's kind of driving that.

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Congress is allegedly addressing it and trying to make things

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>more affordable. I don't know how that's going to work

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>with the HSASH. It's a big question. And we've talked

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 2>to a lot of people at the receiving end, patients

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>like me and you, healthcare providers, doctors, nurses, et cetera.

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Very well, very rarely we get a chance to talk

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>to somebody in the inside, and we do today.

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 3>It's Beth Kaiser.

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>She's the West region president for Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield,

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 2>joining the show. Good morning, How are you, Beth.

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 7>Good morning, Scott's nice to be with you there in Ohio.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Appreciate it.

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>So you know you hear the healthcare We don't have

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>to tell you what happened to the assassination of the

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>CEO in New York City last year, and a teams

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 2>people certainly have it out for big healthcare companies and

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the like.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 3>How much of that is on you.

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you guys are caught up in this as

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>well to some degree, but it seemingly always the dirty

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>end of the stick is pointed at you guys.

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Is that entirely accurate?

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 7>I would say that all stakeholders are filling pressure now

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 7>to have you know, the affordability of healthcare.

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 8>Be an issue.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 7>And so you know what we say at Anthem is

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 7>Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield, is that unaffordable healthcare is

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 7>inaccessible healthcare. So it's a critical time for us.

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>What is the latest affordability to numbers that you guys

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>do internally show and how do our out of pocket

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 2>increases in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana compared to other states

0:32:57.800 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 2>outside the Midwest.

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 7>Gosh, you know some people follow the Rand study from

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 7>years ago, but certainly show that there's plenty of work

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 7>for both of our states to do. But just to

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 7>give you some facts, the US healthcare spending grew seven

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 7>and a half percent in twenty twenty three, reaching nearly

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 7>four point nine trillion, and as you know, that's continued

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 7>to escalate. Prescription drugs spending alone increase more than eleven

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 7>percent last year. So these trends are putting significant strains

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 7>own individuals, employers, and government programs.

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 2>And we also, let's face this demographic demographic issue. As

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>baby boomers get older and older, they're going to use more,

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>need more care, and there are few people at the

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>end to pay for that, and so it overwhelms the system.

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>And then you factor in people who need assistance, and

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>it it's even worse.

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 9>This is true.

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 7>So that's one of the reasons addressing people's health from

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 7>a holistic standpoint, looking at whole health is so important.

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's part of the Republican plan. But I

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>don't dismiss that because we all have a stake in

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 2>our health. But I mean, let's face it. If the

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>healthcare plan is, hey, take better care of yourself and

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 2>your incentivis to do so, that that's fine. But so

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 2>many people and it seemingly there's a story every day

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>about someone who's you know, the drug cost or something

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>for their kid or a loved one is so exorbitant

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>they have to file for bankruptcy.

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 3>That shouldn't be happening, but it is.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And delaying and skipping care can affect people in

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 7>the healthcare system as well, So we have to keep

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 7>it affordable because if those health issues that individuals have worsen,

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 7>are they become harder to treat, they certainly become more

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 7>expensive as well, And so that a lot of people think, well,

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 7>that only impacts the individual, but actually it impacts more

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 7>than the individual's health outcomes. It puts a strain on

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 7>the broader healthcare system, and it drives up costs for.

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 8>All of us.

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 2>How do you determine who gets care for some specific

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 2>disease lets, I don't know. It might be I mentioned

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:54.320
<v Speaker 2>the horror stories, right that someone who's denied care clearly

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 2>they're sick, it becomes a news story goes viral and

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden and maybe not you guys,

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 2>but another health care insurance making sure, maybe like yourself,

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and others will go ay, okay, well we're going to

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>take care of this person because of public pressure and

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the outcry. How are those decisions made at the granuar level.

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I would say many employers, individuals, families are determining

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 7>how do they access healthcare? How do they make it affordable?

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 7>And so we are addressing that by first looking to

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 7>see the factors that are causing the increased health care costs.

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 7>And those factors include an aging population, people with increased

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 7>chronic conditions like you mentioned Scott, escalating drug prices, provider consolidation,

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 7>fraud and abuse, as well as ongoing legislative changes. And

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 7>then we're working to address that with the stakeholders that

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 7>you mentioned as well.

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 3>She's Beth Kaiser.

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>She's a president of Blue Cross Blue Shilds and and

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Blue Cross Blue Shield West Region president. Talking about health

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 2>care costs and the insurance end of this thing, one

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 2>of the other elements here is consolidation. We've seen that

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>accelerate tremendously here in our region, Beth, And how is

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.919
<v Speaker 2>that does that help with rates? And we also worry

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>about rural areas too. We're in Cincinnati, you're out in Indy,

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 2>but there's a lot of country between us and you

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and across both of these states as well as Kentucky

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 2>where rural hospitals and clinics are closing a record amounts.

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 3>How do we address that?

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And unfortunately, you know a lot of people think

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 7>just what you mentioned that when healthcare providers going together,

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 7>it may be lower costs, but often it means that

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 7>patients have fewer choices and the prices actually go up.

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 7>So what we're doing at ANT and Blue Cross Blue

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 7>Shield to address those challenges is we're prioritizing strategies that

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 7>protect affordability and enhance the value for our members. And

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 7>the way we're doing that is we're creating benefits and

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 7>contracts with our provider partners. It give people access to

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 7>mini quality providers and at the same time, we're helping

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 7>focus on the think using AI and data to make

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 7>sure that we're cutting ways and avoiding unnecessary treatment, which

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 7>also helps keep calls down. But when I speak specifically

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 7>to waste and fraud and waste, there's things that now

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 7>with AI as well as that we're allowed through billing

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.240
<v Speaker 7>to look at for unusual charges that may have occurred

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.839
<v Speaker 7>in the system, such as phantom billing where they're built

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 7>for a service that didn't occur, double billing where they're

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.800
<v Speaker 7>bill twice, and then upcoding where they're charged for a

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 7>service at a higher rate than what was provided.

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things you hear from government on

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 2>this Beth is waste frawed abuse, waste fraud abuse constantly.

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I always contended that if you're a

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 2>business like you are, and you're in the business of

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 2>providing healthcare, but you have to be profitable, uh in

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 2>you you probably do a better job than anyone as

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 2>far as that and making sure that those people who

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 2>are using the care, or vendors particularly are getting what

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>they deserve, but not more or less.

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:57.359
<v Speaker 5>We do.

0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 7>It's important though, I mean, you know, we want to

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 7>make sure or we're looking at individuals and members in

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 7>their whole health, so helping them remain healthy longer in

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.720
<v Speaker 7>life and helping them have the tools and the support

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 7>they need. Where in the past we were much you know,

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 7>we were known health plans, were know more for you know,

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 7>just managing the quality, the costs and administration of billing.

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 7>We feel at Anton Blue Cross we shield that we

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 7>have a larger role to play.

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Let's segue to pharmacy benefits. That's a big one PDM's right.

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Pharmacy benefit managers not quite sure what they do, but

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>they drive the cost up. That is the constant cry.

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I guess that you probably hear. What percentage of premium

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 2>increases can you attribute to prescription drug costs and specifically

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>how do.

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:39.759
<v Speaker 3>You address that?

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:45.320
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mentioned just a minute ago that the prescription

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 7>drug spending alone has increased more than eleven percent from

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 7>last year. But what specifically, we've been focused on negotiating

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 7>lower costs around specialty pharmacy as well. That's an important

0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 7>area for us, and our responsibility is to negotiate lower price.

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 2>You know that's the model, but seemingly prices continue to

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:10.359
<v Speaker 2>spiral upward. Where's that coming from?

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I would just say that. I mean, we all

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 7>want we all want access to the best and the latest,

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 7>and we want to make sure we give our members access.

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 7>So we feel like as we negotiate for better drug costs,

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 7>especially around the specialty costs, that we can bring those

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 7>costs down.

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I've had this happen personal experience, family experience with this

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 2>to where there's times where insurance and we're Anthem Blue

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Crossbow Shield where we work here at iHeart and have

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 2>very good coverage. I can't complain some people obviously you

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 2>don't have that. Maybe your experience varies, but pay you

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>a fair amount of money for that. Absolutely. When it

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 2>comes to the pharmacy, though, I've noticed at times where

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.359
<v Speaker 2>we'll go in and say, okay, here's your prescription, Well

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>how much do I pay out of pocket? And it's

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 2>less or if I use something like good our ax

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>with which is like a discount. Why would that occur

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 2>if indeed we're negotiating the lowest prices? Why do Why

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 2>are medicines cheaper if you get them out of pocket

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 2>or use a discount?

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think that it depends upon the individuals. So

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 7>in your case, I mean, this is the reason it's

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 7>so important for us to be talking about affordability because

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 7>without I mean, the individual's portion of being engaged and

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 7>involved in their health and understanding what tools, what discounts,

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 7>what their benefit structure looks like, helps them to be

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:28.760
<v Speaker 7>a more empowered member and to your point, be aware

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 7>of costly options.

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>We're talking to Beth Guiser this morning on the Scots

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Loan Show seven hundred Wow. She's a regional president for

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield talking to Ensure about what

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>can be done about high costs and always, almost always

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 2>we blame the insurance companies, but there's a lot driving

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 2>that as well, and we're kind of getting into this

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 2>morning here on the show in a limited time that

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>we have. One of the other questions too, is surprise

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>medical billing. You know, Trump in his first term said, hey,

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>we know we're going to disclose prices, you're going to

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>know what you're get coming in, and still most of

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 2>those have not been hit. That is a huge complaint

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>before federal legislation, and we've had a you know, the

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 2>President doing that and moving even more I think in

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 2>this term to do that. But we're still getting unexpected

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>bills and costs despite the reforms. Why does that remain problematic?

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I would just say, first, we fully support the

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 7>No Surprises Act because the intention was for it to

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 7>protect patients from receiving surprise to healthcare bills. But as

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 7>you mentioned, Scott, there have been some issues, some unintended consequences,

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 7>some fraudulent behavior that have unintentionally raised those costs. And

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 7>so we're committed at Vans and Blue Cross Blue Shield

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 7>to fixing the No Surprises Act. And in twenty twenty six,

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 7>we'll introduce the policy with hospitals for curb out of

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:48.359
<v Speaker 7>network specialists billing through in network facilities and so this

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 7>will aid those specialists in wanting to join our networks,

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 7>which will lower patient costs and whole facilities accountable for

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 7>repeated non emergency use of out of network and so

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 7>that will drive down healthcare call uh pers. So you

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:07.359
<v Speaker 7>can't do that, Scott though without faultful collaboration with our

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 7>hospitals and our providers. Right right now, that's the key

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 7>path to our affordability.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, you have the collaboration, and I know there's price

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 2>transparency tools out there and they're required, but the data

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 2>and maybe it's because it's new, few consumers use them effectively.

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Are they confusing? And you know what's driving that? Are

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.239
<v Speaker 2>more people adopting it or just simply they don't know.

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 7>We're seeing adoption, least specifically with our Sydney app. We're

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 7>seeing great adoption because because of the unaffordability, many members

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 7>are wanting to understand their benefit options.

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Beth, I brought this up before, and I would love

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 2>your unvarnished point of view on this. You know, I

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 2>go to my dey, we go to our doctor. You

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 2>look in there, Okay, I've got a doctor. Maybe he

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 2>has a PA or a nurse or something like that.

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 2>And then you have five full of five people who

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 2>just handle coding and billing and insurance and medicare and

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>medicating and all that stuff, and as we know, it

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 2>drives costs up. I always use the parallel to you know,

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>you bring your dog into a vet and you know,

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 2>canines felines use some and sometimes the same medicine or

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 2>overlapping meds, and you look at that, go, Okay, that's

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty affordable my dog, cat or whatever comes to me.

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 2>There's paperwork, there's bills that come for the next six, seven,

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 2>eight months, and you forget what they're for, and it's

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 2>this whole mess. If we simply took the edict and

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>made it an edict for employers in America, Listen, you're

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.880
<v Speaker 2>no longer in the business of providing health insurance, can

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:27.720
<v Speaker 2>offer health insurance. You got buy to the free market.

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Is that better for you guys? Is it better for

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the patient?

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I believe that the reason that we want

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 7>to make sure people remain covered is because if it

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 7>becomes unaffordable for individuals. In some cases, many people are

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.920
<v Speaker 7>very reliant on their employer to help subsidize their healthcare call.

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 7>And again, as I mentioned earlier, if unaffordable healthcare will

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 7>become inaccessible health care, so it's important that they get

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.840
<v Speaker 7>the resources they need. And I think to your point

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 7>on data, and I mean, how we need to become

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 7>more efficient and effective with the way we work in healthcare.

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.280
<v Speaker 7>That's the job for all of us, and we're doing

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 7>our part at anteon Blue Cross, Blue Shield by adopting AI,

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 7>by adopting new data technologies, and providing coordination with our

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 7>provider partners so that we have access to the whole view,

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 7>to the whole health view of you, Scott, so that

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.879
<v Speaker 7>we can see your health holistically and that we can

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.240
<v Speaker 7>help aid in keeping you healthier longer.

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 9>Right.

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 2>But I guess the question is more about compliance and

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>things like you. You still have to obviously address compliance issues,

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 2>but it seems there's a lot of things elements involved,

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 2>particularly the government in our healthcare. Why can't I just

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 2>buy a plan directly from you and like minded people

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 2>do that? I think we'd say have enough money in

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the long run to be able to take care of

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the indigen and the people who really need it. Looking

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I had five years, what do you? And it's just

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 2>going to continue to get worse. I mean we're going

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>to start to see things level off. Or is it

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 2>just simply a matter of demographics that I started with,

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 2>where you're going to see baby boomers as they age

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 2>out and eventually pass, we have a younger generation coming

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 2>in replacing them as old folks, and so it goes.

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Is it simply just a numbers game that way, or

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 2>is it going to level out in the next five

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:09.879
<v Speaker 2>or ten years.

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 7>Well, my optimistic to you, Scott is that we're going

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 7>to work together the stakeholders. They appreciate how urgent this is.

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 7>Individuals understand that they certainly can access individual plans, but

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.879
<v Speaker 7>many again are reliant on the benefits and the subsidies

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 7>that they have in place today. So we've got to

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 7>make sure. You know, it's a delicate issue, right, But

0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 7>what I would say as a society, and what I'm

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 7>hoping that in the next few years that will come

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.840
<v Speaker 7>together as stakeholders, is making the healthy choice the easy

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.879
<v Speaker 7>choice and allowing individuals to have more control over their

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 7>health and their healthcare calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that doesn't mean prices are going now. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest concern, and you know, we're probably pretty bad

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>about that ourselves, and you know, you led with and

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a good point. If we took better care of ourselves,

0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.879
<v Speaker 2>eight better you know, exercise, did all that stuff, then

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>we'd need less health care. It makes it less expensive

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 2>for everyone. But we don't do that. But it's not

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 2>like we're alone. Other countries have the same problem, and

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>yet here in America, our health care costs are out

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 2>of control. Administrative costs in the US are substantially higher

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 2>in other countries. What percentage of premium dollars goes to

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>administration versus.

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<v Speaker 7>Actual care, you know, that would be dependent upon the situation.

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.399
<v Speaker 7>But I'm not sure Scott, if you're aware that the

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 7>majority of employers are self insured. So, and specifically in

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 7>the states. I'm in Indiana next to you, ninety percent

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 7>of our employers are self insured. So what that means

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 7>is they're paying directly for the cost of a procedure.

0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 7>And as there's a small admin fee that goes on that,

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 7>and as you know, health plans are regulated and the

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:48.239
<v Speaker 7>cost that we can charge for that is regulated by

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 7>our government.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that all factors into the cost as well,

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 2>because the regulation adds a little bit more overhead in that.

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's the initial point. As it seems there's

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of hands in the cookie here. There's a

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of money to be had here, but at the end,

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.280
<v Speaker 2>consumers suffer, and some people and I'm making the decision

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.319
<v Speaker 2>to go without healthcare, especially during these times where we

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 2>talk about the ACA and all that being in jeopardy.

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.879
<v Speaker 2>Beth Kay is here West Region President for Anthem Blue

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Crossbowshield out of Indianapolis. Thanks again for the time, Beth,

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.800
<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much, Scott, and I would encourage individuals

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.720
<v Speaker 7>that are interested in this topic to go to our website.

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 7>It's www dot Anthem dot com. Forward slash Affordability in Ohio.

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 7>Thank you Scott so much for the conversation.

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Well check news at about four or five minutes on

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 2>the big one and the very latest of course on

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 2>the shocking death of Rob Reiner. He and his wife

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.440
<v Speaker 2>murdered last night, well yesterday afternoon, I believe, with their

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.879
<v Speaker 2>home in Brentwood, California. So full details on that, of course,

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 2>the shootings in Australia as well at Brown University. We

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>continue to follow all that stuff and more here and

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:51.040
<v Speaker 2>these dangerously cold temperatures are about to change for the

0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 2>better in the coming hours as well.

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 3>It's all ahead with news.

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Scott Sloane returns with mental health Monday, and Julie h

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>just ahead on seven hundred WW.

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Everyone needs alb every on then and she's here to

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 1>help us get our heads.

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 9>Right.

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.959
<v Speaker 2>Now we started us back in COVID and continues on today.

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Of course, mental Health Monday every Monday morning, because let's

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 2>face it, it's the coldest day of the year so far,

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:17.479
<v Speaker 2>and you're back at work.

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 3>What is there to be excited and hopeful about?

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 2>I ask, unless you are one of those just deranged

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 2>individuals like Julie Hattersh here that's happy all the time,

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:29.800
<v Speaker 2>which I don't understand. Her happiness makes me miserable.

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 10>This is what this does make miserable.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you, friend?

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 11>You?

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.840
<v Speaker 10>Good morning, my friend. I'm great, thank you. I'm in

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 10>South Carolina right now, and it's sunny and thirty one,

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 10>so slightly warmer than Cincinnati.

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 3>This find of one likes you.

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.240
<v Speaker 2>You just drop that nugget in there. Yeah, it's thirty

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:52.600
<v Speaker 2>it's terrible, Ryan, we are you. I'm in South Carolina.

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:53.319
<v Speaker 2>It's thirty one.

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 3>What do we gather?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I mean that's cold for South Carolina. They're treating

0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 10>it like it's really cold for them.

0:48:59.719 --> 0:48:59.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all the way down to the Florida for that matter.

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Outside of the forecast. Let's get into this new sleep

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 2>study that's come out here too, and the connections only

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>sleep in mental health.

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 3>What's the data showing.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, So I thought this was a good thing to

0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 10>do because so many of us don't get enough sleep,

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 10>and so many of us think that we don't really

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 10>need sleep. I mean, I hear a lot from my

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 10>clients I'll sleep when I'm dead. They've got things they

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 10>want to accomplish and things they want to do, and

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 10>they've got busy lives.

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 6>But the more and more we.

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 10>Learn about the connection between sleep and mental and emotional

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 10>and cognitive health, the more important it becomes to get

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 10>seven to eight to nine hours of good sleep most nights.

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>And there's a.

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 10>New sleep study out several actually that are really starting

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 10>to hone in on the connection between sleep and depression,

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:56.279
<v Speaker 10>sleep and anxiety, and sleep and dementia, which I think

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 10>is really important for those of us who are in

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 10>our forties, fifties and six because early onset dementia seems

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 10>to be on the rise in our country, and one

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:05.920
<v Speaker 10>of the theories is that it may have to do

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 10>with how little sleep we actually get and how poor

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:11.240
<v Speaker 10>quality our sleep is when.

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 6>We do get it.

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Sleep is relative though some people need ten hours, some

0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.720
<v Speaker 2>people can get by with three or four allegedly, what's

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the truth.

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 10>Well, so, actually, one of the things that they're finding

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 10>is that people actually don't perform well with less sleep.

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.640
<v Speaker 10>They become accustomed to it. So when you say get by, yes,

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:32.319
<v Speaker 10>they can get by with very little sleep, but they're

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 10>not at their best and it takes a huge toll

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 10>on them over the long haul. So you can become

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 10>accustomed to very little sleep by you know, pumping yourself

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:46.279
<v Speaker 10>up with nicotine and caffeine and by just getting used

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 10>to it, but it isn't actually beneficial for you. Your

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 10>body doesn't truly adapt adequately to it. Most adults need

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 10>between seven and nine hours of sleep. Some need more,

0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 10>a few need less, but most people, the best majority,

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 10>seven to nine hours is the gold standard.

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:06.400
<v Speaker 2>There's a fine line here between back to mental health, Julie,

0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 2>in that you know, you get seven eight hours sleep,

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 2>you're good, nine hour, seven nine hours, you said, But

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you start getting above nine hours for a lot of people,

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:16.439
<v Speaker 2>that signals a different issure.

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 3>That signals depression, doesn't it.

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.840
<v Speaker 10>If you want to sleep a lot, it can, It

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 10>can definitely signal depression. It can signal anxiety as well,

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 10>that it's just too paralyzingly frightening to get out of

0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:29.279
<v Speaker 10>bed and.

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:32.240
<v Speaker 6>To face the world. But the quality of the sleep

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 6>you get.

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 10>Is as important, or maybe more important, than the number.

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 6>Of hours you get.

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.319
<v Speaker 10>So if you're in bed sort of us sleep I

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.440
<v Speaker 10>use air quotes around that nine hours, but you're actually

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:46.120
<v Speaker 10>only sleeping four of that and the rest of the

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 10>time you're kind of tossing and turning and dozing in

0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:48.919
<v Speaker 10>and out.

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:50.959
<v Speaker 6>That's not the same as getting.

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:54.879
<v Speaker 10>Three complete sleep cycles, which tend to run about two

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 10>and a half hours.

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 6>Okay, So.

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 10>The quality of the sleep matters just as much as

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 10>the number of hours you get.

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Because the question is, you know, as a licensed mental

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 2>health therapist, is you are how do you assess whether

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.439
<v Speaker 2>patients sleep problems are the cause of the mental health

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 2>issues or it's the other way that the mental health

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:14.560
<v Speaker 2>condition is disrupting.

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:16.280
<v Speaker 9>Your sleep exactly.

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 10>And in the past, we have more thought that people

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 10>with depression and anxiety didn't sleep well. We thought it

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:26.359
<v Speaker 10>was more that the depression in the anxiety and our

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 10>health condition came first and sleep was one of the

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 10>impacts of that. What we're now understanding is that it

0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 10>works both ways, that poor quality or inadequate sleep can

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 10>cause or exacerbate mental health issues, and poor sleep is

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 10>a symptom of mental health issues. So when I'm talking

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 10>to my clients about this, what I suggest is we

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:53.360
<v Speaker 10>tackle the easiest one first, And for most people, the

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.239
<v Speaker 10>easiest one is Let's see if we can clean up

0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:58.640
<v Speaker 10>your sleep hygiene. Let's see if we can get you

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 10>more regularly getting said into nine hours of sleep a night.

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 10>Let's take away screens at night. Let's cut down on

0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 10>the caffeine, let's cut down on the alcohol, and let's

0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:12.759
<v Speaker 10>see what impact that has on the mood challenges that

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 10>my clients are having. And because that is an easy,

0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 10>concrete one for most people to wrap their heads around,

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:24.440
<v Speaker 10>it doesn't often it doesn't require medication. Sometimes it requires

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 10>some cognitive behavioral therapy, which works really well for insomnia

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:32.160
<v Speaker 10>and sleep disorders, but it typically doesn't require medication. It

0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:34.880
<v Speaker 10>requires some habit changes, some lifestyle changes.

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 2>And so when you do that to someone, say hey,

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 2>you need to sleep more. And if they can do that,

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 2>what changes in brain function do you see when they

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 2>improve their sleep.

0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 10>Well, one of the things that sleep does, and we're

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 10>learning so much more about it in the last few

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.760
<v Speaker 10>decades because we have functional MRIs, so we can actually

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:56.040
<v Speaker 10>put people in sleep labs, cook their brains up to MRIs,

0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.360
<v Speaker 10>and watch what happens when they're asleep. One of the

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 10>things we're learning that sleep does is it helps memory

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:05.839
<v Speaker 10>consolidation and it helps take out the mental garbage in

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:06.360
<v Speaker 10>your head.

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 6>So if you get good.

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 10>Quality sleep, it helps clear away all the clutter that

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 10>keeps you from performing at your best, and it helps

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 10>consolidate your thinking and your memories. So think of it

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 10>as cleaning up all the papers on your desk and

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:22.760
<v Speaker 10>putting them in the right files, or on your desktop

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.560
<v Speaker 10>on your computer and putting them in the right file

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 10>so you know where to find what you want when

0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 10>you're looking for it. That all happens in r EM sleep,

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:34.280
<v Speaker 10>BRIM sleep, and so people who get good quality sleep,

0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 10>their brains just tend to function more efficiently. They have

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:40.920
<v Speaker 10>less clutter they have to cut through to get to

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 10>what they're looking for at night. It's like sleep cleans

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.719
<v Speaker 10>up your desk for you, or cleans up your desktop

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 10>for you, so when you wake up, everything is where

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:53.359
<v Speaker 10>you can find it more easily, and it increases your

0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 10>tolerance for distress and irritation and frustration, so it keeps

0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.439
<v Speaker 10>you from blowing up quite as easily when things don't

0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:03.759
<v Speaker 10>go your way. It helps you keep your mood more

0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 10>regulated and that's better for everybody in your life as

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 10>well as for you.

0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 2>She's Julie hattersh here, our licensed mental health therapist, Mental

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>health money in the Scotsland Show on seven hundred WLW

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 2>and new studies showing that sleep and getting seven to

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.480
<v Speaker 2>nine hours is critical because of your mental health and

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 2>your mental health will software what kind of things manifest

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 2>when you get like a like to sleep you talk

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 2>about mental health?

0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:25.719
<v Speaker 3>Is it depression?

0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 10>Generally, depression is one, anxiety is one. Irritability is huge.

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:34.840
<v Speaker 10>Most people will get really cranky when they get sleepy.

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 10>And if you think about the impact that has on

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 10>your relationships. Let's say you're someone who's chronically sleep deprived

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.400
<v Speaker 10>and you live with other people in your life. If

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.960
<v Speaker 10>you're perennially irritable and cranky and short tempered, they're not

0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:48.000
<v Speaker 10>going to like you very much and they're not going

0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.399
<v Speaker 10>to want to be around you very much, which means

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 10>that you're going to be more isolated, perhaps less connected,

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 10>and less loved and less having less fun in your life,

0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:02.319
<v Speaker 10>which just may life seem bleaker and can certainly lead

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 10>to depression. The anxiety ramps up when you're not getting

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:10.719
<v Speaker 10>enough sleep, so things that would normally not bother you

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 10>too much can take on an outsized importance. You can

0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:21.319
<v Speaker 10>become frightened or easily startled, or easily flip your lid

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 10>at things that don't go well, so you're just more

0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:28.280
<v Speaker 10>on edge much of the time, which decreases the quality

0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 10>of your life and the quality of your relationships, both

0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 10>at home and at work.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you balance those treatment recommendations if you're like, so,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say a shift worker.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, shift work is really hard, and shift workers have

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<v Speaker 10>their own protocol and there are several out there and

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<v Speaker 10>they should be following it for how to get the

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<v Speaker 10>best possible sleep under the circumstances. The easiest kind of

0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.359
<v Speaker 10>shift work for people to adapt to is when they

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<v Speaker 10>work and off shift consistently. So let's say they consistently

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<v Speaker 10>work nights or they consistently work evenings, so that they

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<v Speaker 10>can just adapt their life to it. The hardest is

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<v Speaker 10>when they have to go from sort of normal daytime

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<v Speaker 10>hours to evening or overnight hours and then back to

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<v Speaker 10>normal daytime hours again, so things like blackout shade so

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<v Speaker 10>that they can get sleep during the day. Sometimes medications

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<v Speaker 10>like melatonin can help. That would be something they should

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<v Speaker 10>discuss with a physician.

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<v Speaker 6>Which I am not.

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<v Speaker 10>Making sure that they practice their best sleep hygiene no

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<v Speaker 10>matter what shift they're working, not trying to catch up

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<v Speaker 10>too much with the things they don't do when they're awake,

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<v Speaker 10>and not trying to catch up too much on sleep

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<v Speaker 10>when they can so that they're off their schedule.

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<v Speaker 6>But that one is really really tough.

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<v Speaker 10>Luckily, that's a relatively small percentage.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the population overall, but if you are one of

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<v Speaker 6>those people.

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<v Speaker 10>It's really hard, and there are actual professionals and protocols

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<v Speaker 10>that can help you maximize and optimize for that.

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<v Speaker 2>What about that teenagers talk about sleep schedules because we

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<v Speaker 2>expect them to get up early to go to school

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<v Speaker 2>at the exact same time their body clock says you

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<v Speaker 2>should be going to bed because they're.

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<v Speaker 10>Night outactly exactly, So teenagers actually need as much sleep

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<v Speaker 10>as children do, and children need a lot more sleep

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<v Speaker 10>than adults do. They need closer to ten hours eight

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<v Speaker 10>to ten hours. Teenagers actually need as much sleep. But

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<v Speaker 10>the problem is that their clock, their biological clocks cir

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 10>Katiean rhythm, shifts by about two hours later, and so

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:34.120
<v Speaker 10>they tend to stay up later. School tends to start earlier,

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<v Speaker 10>and the reason for that, I've been told one of

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<v Speaker 10>the reasons for that is so that the older kids

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<v Speaker 10>are home when the younger kids get home from school,

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<v Speaker 10>and or they've got practices or meetings in the mornings,

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<v Speaker 10>and so they have to early, so they're chronically sleep deprived.

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<v Speaker 10>We expect a lot out of them during the day

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<v Speaker 10>in terms of school and sports, sometimes taking care of

0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 10>younger siblings, often working a job, and then when it

0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:01.680
<v Speaker 10>comes time to go to added a reasonable hour, there's

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 10>still two hours from being tired and from their bodies

0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:08.720
<v Speaker 10>being tired. So teenagers have a really rough time. There

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<v Speaker 10>are some school districts that are experimenting with a later

0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:15.440
<v Speaker 10>start and a later end time for kids and finding

0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:17.600
<v Speaker 10>that that has a lot of benefit to their ability

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<v Speaker 10>to stay awake in school. I remember falling asleep with

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:24.400
<v Speaker 10>my head on the desk many a time. And also, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>stay awake in school, perform better in school, perform better

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 10>in sport. It's challenging for a lot of other reasons,

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<v Speaker 10>but some high schools are finding that that shift to

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:38.800
<v Speaker 10>a later start time is really beneficial for everybody involved.

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<v Speaker 2>I fall asleep before during my show while I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 2>That's to show you just how pervasive this whole problem

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<v Speaker 2>is here when it comes to sleep, and so horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a terrible, terrible time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the reason why we forced kids to get

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<v Speaker 2>up then and got laire and the outside their ball

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:57.120
<v Speaker 2>its class because it's to do it otherwise would be

0:59:57.120 --> 1:00:00.880
<v Speaker 2>inconvenient for mom and dad, but also especially inconvenient for

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers and the administrators because they don't They can't

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<v Speaker 2>stay up that lad either.

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<v Speaker 10>Right exactly. Yeah, we want kids to get up early

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<v Speaker 10>and get on with their day. We want them to

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<v Speaker 10>operate like we do in our lives with adults who

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<v Speaker 10>go to work, but their biological clocks are very different

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<v Speaker 10>than ours. And that does start to return back to

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<v Speaker 10>adult hours in their early to mid twenties, but those

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<v Speaker 10>teenage to early twenty years, they really are operating on

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<v Speaker 10>a different biological clock than adults.

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<v Speaker 6>Are most of the time. They will never be it's challenging.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they'll never be a solution.

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<v Speaker 8>For the bus is coming, Boss, get up getting bass

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<v Speaker 8>the boss.

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<v Speaker 3>What parents do exactly eight years?

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<v Speaker 7>Boss, that's kind of boss.

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<v Speaker 3>She's Julie.

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<v Speaker 2>That bus now right, the bus is coming. It's mental

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<v Speaker 2>health Monday in the Scotsland Show on seven hundred w OLW.

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<v Speaker 2>How much is sleep apnea involved? I mean, every time

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<v Speaker 2>you hear this, okay, you're not getting enough sleep, it's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be sleep apnea. I'm not saying it's over

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed anything like that, but how common is that from

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<v Speaker 2>your experiences that that that is the core of interesting what.

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<v Speaker 10>I've read is been actually underdiagnosed in certain populations. So

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<v Speaker 10>one of the one of the things that is common

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<v Speaker 10>for women.

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<v Speaker 6>In menopause is sleep apnea.

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<v Speaker 10>But because we don't snore quite as loudly as men do,

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<v Speaker 10>generally speaking, certainly there are women who do. It's not

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<v Speaker 10>it's not tested for and caught as much. It's about

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<v Speaker 10>the lowering of estrogen lowers our muscle tone and our

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<v Speaker 10>throat and our throat.

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<v Speaker 6>Muscles collapse when we hit menopause.

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<v Speaker 10>So sleep apne is underdiagnosed in some populations and adequately

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<v Speaker 10>diagnosed in others. Tends to be overweight. Men tend to

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<v Speaker 10>be diagnosed adequately with sleep apnea. But sleep apnea obviously

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<v Speaker 10>contributes to all of the symptoms that we've been talking

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<v Speaker 10>about that that poor quality sleep does, but it also

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<v Speaker 10>carries with it an increased risk of physical problems like

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<v Speaker 10>heart attacks and strokes, and cognitive problems, high increased risk

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<v Speaker 10>of dementia and early onset dementia because of the lack

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<v Speaker 10>of oxygen to the brain associated with sleep apnea. And

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<v Speaker 10>that's not the same thing as associated with just plain insomnia.

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<v Speaker 10>There's no lack of oxygen to the brain and insomnia,

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<v Speaker 10>but in sleep apnea there is, and so it has

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<v Speaker 10>long ranging consequences as well as the more immediate consequences

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<v Speaker 10>that we are aware of.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, connection between mental health and sleep and before

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<v Speaker 2>you probably could even not hear that last segment, Goh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I get that, but it's it's a lot deeper than

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<v Speaker 2>you think.

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<v Speaker 3>So talk to a professional. She's Julie hattersh here.

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<v Speaker 2>She's our licensed mental health therapist in the Scotsland Show,

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<v Speaker 2>practicing out of Clifton. Hey, Julie edb connected dot has

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<v Speaker 2>let her be connected dot care. If you have a

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<v Speaker 2>question or maybe a future topic for us to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd love to hear you, Julie. Thanks again, Well chat

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<v Speaker 2>next week. Stay nice and warm down in the Carolinas.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gotta go because the bus is coming. The bus

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<v Speaker 2>is the bus is here. I gotta go, I gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>News is coming up in just minutes on the Big

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<v Speaker 2>one seven hundred. Wo that includes the tragic and confusing

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<v Speaker 2>murder of Rob Reiner and his wife. If you're just

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<v Speaker 2>hearing this for the first time, they found his he

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife both dead of stab wounds at their bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and their son is now a prime suspect in custody.

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<v Speaker 2>Will continue to follow that story as well. Just absolutely bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we've had these cold temperatures, but for how

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<v Speaker 2>much longer? I mean, we will get up to close

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<v Speaker 2>to freezing today, but the rest of the weeks starting

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<v Speaker 2>to look good. We got that, we got traffic, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of black ice out there. Just be advised you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hit some of that today. If you're on the

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<v Speaker 2>highways for suare a'ready hearing now day. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a steady drumbeat of those type of accidents from the

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<v Speaker 2>police today, So just be advised. We'll do news and

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<v Speaker 2>at eleven oh seven he's Kevin Werner from Ohioans to

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<v Speaker 2>Stop Executions related to the Elwood Jones case, which County

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<v Speaker 2>pillachers throwing Joe Dieters under the bus and Joe Deeters

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<v Speaker 2>may respond to this whole thing nonetheless, is it time

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<v Speaker 2>for the death bones to go away? Simply because of

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<v Speaker 2>how inefficient it is and seldom used? It is Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Sloan Show, Home of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>WW Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>You Want to be an American Scott Bloon Show on

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and W well Wan.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the big stories that just happened is the

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<v Speaker 2>name Ellwood Jones. He may recall this had been Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>While he has become the twelfth convict in the history

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<v Speaker 2>of our state to be exonerated from death row after

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilt County Prosecutor County Pilach announced that she is dismissing

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<v Speaker 2>all and any charges against him, and nationally there are

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<v Speaker 2>over two hundred exonerations. We know how the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to work, but in practice doesn't work like

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<v Speaker 2>it should.

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<v Speaker 3>On that is Kevin Werner.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the executive director of Ohioans to Stop executions. Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you? Scott him Well, good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is kind of, I don't know, a shocking

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<v Speaker 2>surprising news. In the case of Countye pilach mate saying no,

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<v Speaker 2>we should throw this out. Let's talk about this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of us weren't around back then. In nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>four when he was convicted for beating sixty seven year

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<v Speaker 2>old wrote to Nathan to death and blue ash it

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<v Speaker 2>was aggravated murder, robbery and burglary. Here we are now

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty five and he's completely exonerated.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the narrative of that case? Refreshers.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean, you know, missus Nathan was traveling into

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<v Speaker 11>the area, you know, some kind of family. I think

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<v Speaker 11>it was a wedding or a family celebration. And you know,

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<v Speaker 11>Ellwood Jones happened to work at the hotel where she

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<v Speaker 11>was murdered.

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<v Speaker 9>And so.

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<v Speaker 11>The narrative here, I think is that, you know, even

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<v Speaker 11>back in nineteen ninety four, there was all kinds of

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<v Speaker 11>evidence that mister Jones.

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<v Speaker 9>Did not commit this crime.

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<v Speaker 11>What happened though, I think investigators got that tunnel vision

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<v Speaker 11>where started to sort of try to make things fit

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<v Speaker 11>even when they did not, And it took decades for

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<v Speaker 11>all of the evidence to come to come out. And

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<v Speaker 11>what we know today is that four thousand pages of

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<v Speaker 11>documents were withheld from mister Jones, and within those four

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<v Speaker 11>thousand pages was all sorts of evidence that the viability

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<v Speaker 11>of other suspects, the fact that you know, he could

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<v Speaker 11>not have committed this crime. And so you know, thirty

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<v Speaker 11>years later, we have finally for him a result that

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<v Speaker 11>that you know, exonerates him. But you know, for the

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<v Speaker 11>Nathan family, I can only imagine that this is this

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<v Speaker 11>must be devastating. You know, they were told thirty years ago,

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<v Speaker 11>we got the guy, We're going to get justice for

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<v Speaker 11>your mom, for your family member. And you know, had

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<v Speaker 11>they not withheld the evidence that was withheld, we certainly

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<v Speaker 11>wouldn't be having this conversation today.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, granted the evidence was held the four thousand pages,

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<v Speaker 2>was there anything in there that directly showed that he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do this? Because as I recall that he worked

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<v Speaker 2>at this hotel, he had a master key to the rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>There was bruising on the victim that aligned with items

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<v Speaker 2>found in his toolbox. Also the cut and shape, the

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<v Speaker 2>byte pattern on him because he had an infection, and

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<v Speaker 2>we know now that there's a particular bacteria that's only

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<v Speaker 2>present in human saliva, and this type of infection you

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<v Speaker 2>can only get from that type of contact. And so

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<v Speaker 2>a bite, definitely we see that president not all the

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<v Speaker 2>time because there's a particular bacteria he tested. He was

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<v Speaker 2>swabbed and tested negative I believe for that bacteria if

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<v Speaker 2>he carried himself. But this infection on his hand could

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<v Speaker 2>only be gained by punching someone, possibly striking their teeth,

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<v Speaker 2>punch in the mouth. And so those, as I recall,

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<v Speaker 2>were the circumstances that led to his conviction. Are those

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<v Speaker 2>disproven in the four thousand pages?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh?

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<v Speaker 11>What the four thousand pages show is that first of all,

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<v Speaker 11>there's hepatitis bee was not something that mister Joe's ever

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<v Speaker 11>had or contract, and that was part of what medically

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<v Speaker 11>made it not possible for him to be involved in

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<v Speaker 11>this in this offense. And so you know, I think

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<v Speaker 11>what we have to recognize Scott is that you know,

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<v Speaker 11>the investigatory techniques and the science that we have today,

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<v Speaker 11>and when we look at crime scene evidence, what we had,

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<v Speaker 11>what we haven't understand today, what we know today or

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<v Speaker 11>that the theories that we had thirty years ago have

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<v Speaker 11>been have been proven incorrect. Not related to this case,

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<v Speaker 11>but things like shake and baby syndrome, things like certain

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<v Speaker 11>kinds of bitemarks, things like certain types of uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>blood piping, which used to be you know.

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<v Speaker 9>Is it A, is it B? Is it a positive?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, now that we have better techniques to figure out

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<v Speaker 11>and use science to see whether or not someone is

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<v Speaker 11>in fact culpable or did play a role in a

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<v Speaker 11>homicide like those are the things that we need to do.

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<v Speaker 9>And I give the.

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<v Speaker 11>Prosecutor a whole lot of credit here because the easier

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<v Speaker 11>thing would have just to be to continue this case

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<v Speaker 11>and to continue the ape and continue to go down

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<v Speaker 11>the road. But I think what the prosecutor's office did

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<v Speaker 11>now was recognize that this is not in the interest

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<v Speaker 11>of justice and the evidence that we have today, and

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<v Speaker 11>when you stand that up next to the science and

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<v Speaker 11>the techniques that we use today, Joe clearly that mister

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<v Speaker 11>Jones could not have committed that offense.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I think you said something critical there.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people see this.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, the prosecutor was Joe Dieters, and that

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<v Speaker 2>somehow that hey you know what, we just found a guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's pin it all on him.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of intimated that's not what at least what

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking is is the fact that the science has

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<v Speaker 2>gotten better over the years seems exonerated, not be because

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<v Speaker 2>of any necessarily miss misdoings on the part of the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutors offer though, or are you making that contention still?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think it's both.

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<v Speaker 11>I think that both things certainly can be true. At

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<v Speaker 11>the same time, it's hard to square a voluminous number

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<v Speaker 11>like four thousand documents being withheld from a this was

1:09:59.880 --> 1:10:03.400
<v Speaker 11>just the case of our science was wrong. I think

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<v Speaker 11>that that the when you look back, you say, how

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<v Speaker 11>did this occur? I think both of those things are true.

1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:12.639
<v Speaker 11>I think investigators and prosecutors with held evidence that they shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, the court found that. That's why mister Jones

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<v Speaker 11>was granted a new trial that ultimately never happened. And

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<v Speaker 11>the second thing, of course, is that you know, evidence

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<v Speaker 11>today is different, and capital cases today, what would be

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<v Speaker 11>brought is the death penalty case today, if ever, vastly

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<v Speaker 11>different than the types of cases that were brought in

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<v Speaker 11>the mid to nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, makes sense, Kevin orders here. Executive director of Ohio's

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<v Speaker 2>Stop Execution Elwood Jones has just been exonerated from death

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<v Speaker 2>row in the murder of Rhoda Nathanson back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four and are beating death and evidence. Cornem was

1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:52.280
<v Speaker 2>with Hell in the court. The prosecutor sided with him

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<v Speaker 2>on this one. And I think there's people that still

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<v Speaker 2>think this is political. Connie Pilach comes in, Democrat, It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go, hey, you know, I'm know there's a

1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:02.120
<v Speaker 2>different regime in town. I think some do you think

1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:04.760
<v Speaker 2>some politics are at play here? Or does that even

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<v Speaker 2>concern you because you're solely focused on justice.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't think that it's politics. I think that it's

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<v Speaker 11>a different view of the cases. Right is the prosecutor's

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<v Speaker 11>job to uphold the conviction at all costs?

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<v Speaker 9>Or is the prosecutor's job to do justice? And I

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<v Speaker 9>think that.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, when you have a changeover an administration, you

1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.400
<v Speaker 11>have a different set of eyes that are looking at

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<v Speaker 11>at at cases. And you know when you have things

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<v Speaker 11>like all of these documents was held, and when you

1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:35.840
<v Speaker 11>have you know, the science saying you know this, this

1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:40.639
<v Speaker 11>person could not have committed this offense, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 11>the right thing here with certainly to the charges. I

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<v Speaker 11>don't think it's political as much as I think that,

1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:50.000
<v Speaker 11>you know, there may be a different view towards these cases.

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<v Speaker 11>Is our job to just uphold the convictions at all costs?

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<v Speaker 11>Or is our job to actually figure out did we

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<v Speaker 11>get it right? And in those cases when we didn't

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<v Speaker 11>get it, it's the responsibility of the prosecutor's office to

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<v Speaker 11>set a course that can begin to make that right.

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<v Speaker 11>And I think that's what the prosecutor's office did last

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<v Speaker 11>week with the Elwood Jones case.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe listening to this Kevin Werner and go, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's justice for Elwood Jones after all these years?

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<v Speaker 3>Is justice? So what about justice for rode to Nathan.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean what we see here with this case is

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<v Speaker 11>an example how the death penalty system fails across all sectors, right,

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<v Speaker 11>And we're talking about failing victims family. So, you know,

1:12:34.920 --> 1:12:38.759
<v Speaker 11>the trauma and sort of the readliving that that worst

1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:41.439
<v Speaker 11>day thirty years ago is now right back front and

1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:44.960
<v Speaker 11>center with the with the Nathan family, they probably have

1:12:45.080 --> 1:12:48.519
<v Speaker 11>more questions than anybody at this point. And so what

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<v Speaker 11>we see is when you deploy all your resources towards

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<v Speaker 11>this one thing, the death sentence that will likely never occur,

1:12:56.200 --> 1:12:58.000
<v Speaker 11>and you and you and you do that at the

1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:01.400
<v Speaker 11>expense of making sure that victim family members have the

1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:04.840
<v Speaker 11>resources that they need to move forward to heal, to

1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:06.960
<v Speaker 11>kind of put their lives back together after.

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<v Speaker 9>This kind of these kinds of events.

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<v Speaker 11>We're doing it exactly wrong, where we're not taking care

1:13:14.240 --> 1:13:16.720
<v Speaker 11>of the families who were involved in these kinds of

1:13:16.760 --> 1:13:20.200
<v Speaker 11>horrific offenses. If we flip the script and put the

1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:24.479
<v Speaker 11>resources toward those family members instead of trying to chase

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<v Speaker 11>death sentences, I think that the Rona family, for example,

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<v Speaker 11>would be in a different place today than they clearly are.

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<v Speaker 2>The other argument of the saying is is you're making

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<v Speaker 2>the case against the death penalty. I'm going, well, this

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<v Speaker 2>is an example. It's the two hundredth person, two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and second person I think nationally to be exonerated. Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>that this is happening again for the twelfth time. One

1:13:47.400 --> 1:13:49.479
<v Speaker 2>may turn around and go, well, this is what it

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<v Speaker 2>should prove. The system works right because you have an

1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:54.800
<v Speaker 2>appeals process, pellet process, you have interested parties, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to execute anyone on death row. Who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't deserve it now. I think the other way to

1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:03.840
<v Speaker 2>look at that is go, well, does that mean we

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<v Speaker 2>have or will in the future, And that's a big

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<v Speaker 2>question mark.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, so you know, big picture, we're forty four years

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<v Speaker 11>into having this system. It doesn't work very well at all.

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<v Speaker 11>It gets the wrong person. This is the twelve persons

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<v Speaker 11>say there are other guys on Ohio's death row that

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<v Speaker 11>have really concerning claims of actual innocence. Right, it costs

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<v Speaker 11>an arm and a leg, and for what for thirty

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<v Speaker 11>years later to overturn a case that leaves one family

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<v Speaker 11>trying to put their lives back together, the other family

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<v Speaker 11>trying to catch up on thirty years of lost time.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, that's what this system does. All it does

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<v Speaker 9>is cause harm.

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<v Speaker 11>And so even if you say we're absolutely certain that

1:14:46.280 --> 1:14:51.559
<v Speaker 11>this person is we have the right person, you can

1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:56.880
<v Speaker 11>effectively hold that person accountable by a much less expensive

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<v Speaker 11>sentence and one where we're never going to have the

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<v Speaker 11>one or did we execute the wrong person? Because Ohio

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<v Speaker 11>has come frighteningly close. You know, if mister if Governor

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<v Speaker 11>DeWine for example, had not caused executions and executions were

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<v Speaker 11>just happening as they as they had under previous governors.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, could Elmwood Jones have been executed in the

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<v Speaker 11>past seven eight years. Yeah, I mean, this is what

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<v Speaker 11>we're talking about. And so the death penalty just risks

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<v Speaker 11>way too much and we're getting nothing in return except

1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:32.680
<v Speaker 11>harm to county budgets to victim family members, and.

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<v Speaker 9>So we should stop doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like the all against execution that you've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of won the war of attrition are And I will

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<v Speaker 2>point that out because years ago, when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, yeah, death penalty, it's fair eye for an eye, Biblical.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, there's some crimes that are just so heinous and

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<v Speaker 2>so gross that the only way to do this is

1:15:49.960 --> 1:15:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to execute. And people go, well, it's it's murdered to

1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.400
<v Speaker 2>it's not because there's an absence of malice. You know,

1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the person who murdered that woman in Blue Ash in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four had malice. Issue is murdered. When we execute someone,

1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:06.479
<v Speaker 2>there's no malice. It's sterile, right, You're not doing out

1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:08.559
<v Speaker 2>of hate, you're doing out of justice. It's a different motive.

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<v Speaker 2>That said, though, it confounds me that so many people

1:16:12.880 --> 1:16:15.280
<v Speaker 2>in victims' families is what I worry about, And when

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about justice is the fact they've got to

1:16:16.920 --> 1:16:19.040
<v Speaker 2>sit around for ten twenty thirty years or more and

1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:22.120
<v Speaker 2>sometimes never. The odds of the person on death row

1:16:22.240 --> 1:16:24.320
<v Speaker 2>dying of old age is greater than them seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>executioner's hand, the needle, the electric chair, that the noose,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it might be, whether or the mechanism is and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like there's no justice there. For a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was very pro death penalty, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>way things have changed where death penalty is not a

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<v Speaker 2>death penalty anymore, essentially is a life sentence because you're

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more likely to die of natural causes on

1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:44.599
<v Speaker 2>death row or at the hand of another inmate than

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<v Speaker 2>you would be from the executioner's hand. If that's the case,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like a tremendous waste of time, effort, and

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<v Speaker 2>resources to continue fighting for something we don't use.

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<v Speaker 9>That's absolutely correct, you know.

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<v Speaker 11>And the other component that we have to think about

1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:00.680
<v Speaker 11>and we talk about executions and the death penalty, and

1:17:01.080 --> 1:17:04.400
<v Speaker 11>you know what the outcomes are is we put a

1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:06.920
<v Speaker 11>lot of state workers and a lot of state prison

1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:13.439
<v Speaker 11>officials in positions where they are negatively impacted, and they

1:17:13.479 --> 1:17:17.000
<v Speaker 11>have post traumatic stress, and they have lots of mental

1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:19.759
<v Speaker 11>health issues as a result of being part of the process.

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<v Speaker 11>And so you know, add that other layer to this

1:17:22.760 --> 1:17:26.360
<v Speaker 11>and it's just clearly not worth it. It's clearly not working.

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<v Speaker 11>And we have, you know, for more than forty four

1:17:29.640 --> 1:17:34.760
<v Speaker 11>years of evidence that shows us that, you know, one

1:17:34.800 --> 1:17:37.080
<v Speaker 11>of the things we don't cost And I don't want

1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:40.639
<v Speaker 11>to get ahead of what and where you know, lawyers

1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:43.599
<v Speaker 11>what they may do for on behalf of mister Jones.

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<v Speaker 11>But you know, we talk about the expense of the

1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:50.439
<v Speaker 11>death penalty. We don't count the wrongful conviction awards that

1:17:50.520 --> 1:17:53.920
<v Speaker 11>people get for millions of dollars for being you know,

1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:57.559
<v Speaker 11>on death row for thirty years. So like you know,

1:17:57.600 --> 1:18:00.719
<v Speaker 11>there's only going to be more more pain, There's only

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<v Speaker 11>going to be more you know, problems that come along

1:18:04.720 --> 1:18:08.400
<v Speaker 11>with these types of cases. And so again we should

1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:09.599
<v Speaker 11>just stop doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Kevin Werner with ohioan to stop executions. Thanks again

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<v Speaker 2>for the time, Kevin, appreciate the insight, great conversation.

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<v Speaker 9>Thanks Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get a news update here in just minutes on

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<v Speaker 2>the Scott's Long Show. And the pain continues the pain

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<v Speaker 2>of being a Cincinnati Bengals fan. Is this a turning

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<v Speaker 2>point for the organization? Which has been said a lot

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in the last several decades. I've been a

1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Bengals fan, But is this a turning point? With the

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<v Speaker 2>loss yesterday and especially how the fans are too to

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<v Speaker 2>James Rapen is here, we'll talk about that coming out

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<v Speaker 2>to heads for the lunch hour and Willie seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>ww Hoday Morning, Scott's Long Show, seven hundred WW. So

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<v Speaker 2>with the munch how we're approaching one of the tops

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<v Speaker 2>of conversation, as always this time of year, will be football,

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<v Speaker 2>and that will be the fact that the Bengals are

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<v Speaker 2>now eliminated completely from play off contention. Yes, fans to

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<v Speaker 2>get up early, clear ice and snow, off driveways, off

1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:07.800
<v Speaker 2>cars by extra closed drive on icy rose, pay to park,

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<v Speaker 2>pay for seats, and just last week County taxpayers out

1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:14.800
<v Speaker 2>there on the hook for over two hundred million dollars

1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:16.920
<v Speaker 2>for the pay Corps upgrade. And then you get to

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<v Speaker 2>your seat and you have to clean them and then

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<v Speaker 2>sit with your feet and your ass on more snow

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<v Speaker 2>and ice to watch them lose twenty four to nothing

1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:26.240
<v Speaker 2>to Baltimore and get eliminated for the third year in

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<v Speaker 2>a row. The Bengals will miss the playoffs with all

1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:32.479
<v Speaker 2>this talent on offense for the third straight season. On that,

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<v Speaker 2>James Rapine from Bengals Talk dot Com and Locked on Bengals. James,

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<v Speaker 2>you were at the game yesterday, give me your take

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<v Speaker 2>on the conditions.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it was surprising. No on the seats as there was,

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<v Speaker 8>And I totally agree with you. If I paid to

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<v Speaker 8>go to that game and I was in the elements

1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:58.519
<v Speaker 8>and doing everything that it took to get there, I

1:19:58.560 --> 1:20:03.120
<v Speaker 8>certainly would expect my seat to close to it and

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<v Speaker 8>that that wasn't the case. And then after that, fans

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<v Speaker 8>obviously rewarded with a store performance on the field, and

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<v Speaker 8>it really was not the way you want to make history,

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<v Speaker 8>but certainly the Bengals did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I start to see the unraveling now. Granted, last

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<v Speaker 2>two games here, Joe Burrow did not look like Joe Burrow.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, one of the worst games he ever played.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't get up for an elimination game at home,

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<v Speaker 2>and Joe Burrow loves says he loves playing in the

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<v Speaker 2>cold and the pass. He's played very well in the

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<v Speaker 2>cold over the last couple of games and maybe even

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<v Speaker 2>since coming back from injury in the past two games.

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<v Speaker 2>In particular, he doesn't look like Joe Burrow Joe. He

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<v Speaker 2>looks like the bengalized version of Joe Burrow. He looks

1:20:42.600 --> 1:20:46.280
<v Speaker 2>like Carson Palmer, he looks like Andy Dalton. He started

1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:48.519
<v Speaker 2>to turn into that guy. Granted it's a small sample

1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:50.840
<v Speaker 2>size of two games, but he hasn't even officially become

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<v Speaker 2>bengalized after yesterday.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean I wouldn't even say two games. I think

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<v Speaker 8>he was the best player on the field in Buffalo

1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:01.560
<v Speaker 8>for three quarters. Yeah, and that includes Josh as I

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<v Speaker 8>wouldn't go full two games now, but no, he was

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<v Speaker 8>awful on Sunday, and so bullvangalized. I wouldn't say that.

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<v Speaker 8>My question would be why why did this team look

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<v Speaker 8>like that? Why did they not have any answers at

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<v Speaker 8>any point during the game and make any adjustments that

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<v Speaker 8>worked in a winn or go home scenario? And that

1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:27.360
<v Speaker 8>that's what's concerning to me, is they were a pickoff

1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:31.799
<v Speaker 8>from the jump. But someone needs to figure out something

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<v Speaker 8>to get some points on the board and get some momentum,

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<v Speaker 8>and they just never not once could do that, and

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<v Speaker 8>I think that at this stage it's fair to stay

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<v Speaker 8>there too. Joe Burrow centric for lack of a better term. Now,

1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:48.880
<v Speaker 8>if Joe doesn't go, they don't go, and they need

1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:50.880
<v Speaker 8>to be able to go, even if Joe had an

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<v Speaker 8>off game.

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<v Speaker 2>Well NFL NFL's worst deference and several metrics here and

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<v Speaker 2>that of course looked every part of it yesterday, although

1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>for you know, for the first half it was competitive,

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<v Speaker 2>they were there, and then the wheels just fell off

1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and it was too few and far between. They just

1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:09.280
<v Speaker 2>simply couldn't score. Two interceptions, no touchdowns for Joe Burrow,

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<v Speaker 2>two pick sixes in consecutive weeks. And this, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>also followed his side eye producing comments about not having fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine it was fun for him yesterday.

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<v Speaker 9>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it certainly wasn't fun for him yesterday. And I

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<v Speaker 8>think that's that's sick. Winning is fun. Joe's a winner.

1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:30.679
<v Speaker 8>Joe's one, Joe one in high school, Joe one in college.

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<v Speaker 8>Joe won early in his career here, and that's the plan.

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<v Speaker 8>And so to think about this and to think of

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<v Speaker 8>three straight years without missing the playoffs, like people in

1:22:41.600 --> 1:22:44.519
<v Speaker 8>Kansas City are freaking out today because the Chiefs missed

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<v Speaker 8>the playoffs once with Patrick Mahome, right, and obviously you

1:22:47.320 --> 1:22:49.800
<v Speaker 8>have the injury and everything like that. But I even

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<v Speaker 8>look and I think of how all right, well, Brian

1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:56.920
<v Speaker 8>Peyton Manning, they never missed the playoffs in Indianapolis. Never

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<v Speaker 8>Now did they run into Tom Brady and the Patriots

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<v Speaker 8>and they stubbed or telling the playoffs when they shouldn't have. Yes,

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<v Speaker 8>but they were winning twelve games a year, and so

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<v Speaker 8>how in the world is this team with its talent

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<v Speaker 8>not finding ways to win some of these games? And

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<v Speaker 8>I mentioned Joe Burrow centric they went one in eight

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<v Speaker 8>without Joe that that should be impossible. You should be

1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:20.400
<v Speaker 8>able to go four and five without Joe. So you're

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<v Speaker 8>not coming back and having to win out and all

1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:28.479
<v Speaker 8>these ridiculous, ridiculous scenarios that we've really had to discuss

1:23:28.479 --> 1:23:30.360
<v Speaker 8>for two years now. Oh, if they win out and

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<v Speaker 8>this happens and the easter Bunny comes up, it does this, Well,

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<v Speaker 8>they're gonna make the playoffs. Well, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 8>talk about the Easter Bunny in December.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Reds, you know, we got to find

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<v Speaker 2>other teams need to screw up for us to win.

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<v Speaker 9>That's right.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, the Doctors has four guys and maybe we can

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<v Speaker 8>get two hits in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, If you win, you control everything.

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<v Speaker 2>James Rapeing from Bengals dot dot com Lockdown Bengals hashing

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<v Speaker 2>up yesterday's cataclysmic disaster at pay Corps. Uh, the focus

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<v Speaker 2>should be on the franchise.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The entire team, as we all know, is built around

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Burrow. Okay, and Joe Burrow says, look, winning means fun.

1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not having fun. I gotta I gotta win. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta have fun. Okay, So let's let's look at that.

1:24:11.320 --> 1:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Examine that for a second. If you're not winning, that

1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>means you're not having fun. And if you're gonna keep

1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>him happy, you've got to make it fun again and

1:24:18.640 --> 1:24:23.040
<v Speaker 2>start winning. Today should be the day after being eliminated

1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:25.519
<v Speaker 2>from the playoffs, after being embarrassed twenty four to nothing

1:24:25.960 --> 1:24:29.679
<v Speaker 2>and showing no push on offense and especially defense. Should

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<v Speaker 2>today if this team were serious about that, I'm serious

1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:35.439
<v Speaker 2>about winning, would Zach Taylor and or Duke Tobin be

1:24:35.560 --> 1:24:37.000
<v Speaker 2>fired sometime today?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna answer. I'm gonna answer your question with a question,

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<v Speaker 8>and it's the question that you have to ask any

1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:47.639
<v Speaker 8>time you make a decision like that, do you think

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<v Speaker 8>and this is the question Mike Brown has to answer,

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<v Speaker 8>But I'm gonna ask you, do you think Zach Taylor

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<v Speaker 8>is the man to lead this team to a super Bowl?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>that you could bring in Andy Reid here, you could

1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>bring in the ghost to George Hallis, you could bring

1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:11.800
<v Speaker 2>in Bill Belichick, you could bring in any of those guys.

1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it matters in Cincinnati, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of what we're talking about. They do the

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<v Speaker 2>bare minimum all the time, and the bare minimum because

1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:22.280
<v Speaker 2>a parody in the NFL will get you a playoff appearance. Hello,

1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:24.160
<v Speaker 2>we'll get you an AFC title. Hello, we'll get you

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<v Speaker 2>to the super Bowl, and you're an eyelash away from

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<v Speaker 2>winning at all. That's not because of anything. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think now that you have a sample here of missing

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs since that Super Bowl in the last three years,

1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>James Repene, I think what to show you is the

1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.799
<v Speaker 2>parody of the NFL that anybody can get lucky once

1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and get into this is the fat was and I all,

1:25:39.840 --> 1:25:42.400
<v Speaker 2>we've built this championship. No, the reason you got there

1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:45.080
<v Speaker 2>was because you were so bad for so long. You

1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>have massed so many to first round draft picks and

1:25:47.840 --> 1:25:51.360
<v Speaker 2>first choice choice that you it was unbeatable by sheer luck,

1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>by your incompetence. You stumbled into this. That's the way

1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:57.120
<v Speaker 2>the NFL is set up. But it wasn't sustainable. That's

1:25:57.160 --> 1:25:59.519
<v Speaker 2>the issue. That is not that's above Zach Taylor.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's a good answer. So that's one, and

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<v Speaker 8>this is how I would answer it. And should one

1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:09.600
<v Speaker 8>of those guys be out, I would not be against

1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:13.680
<v Speaker 8>getting rid of anyone in the building because this is

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<v Speaker 8>a once in a lifetime. A lot of people listening

1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:21.599
<v Speaker 8>haven't seen a quarterback like Joe Burrow with a guy

1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:24.559
<v Speaker 8>like Jamar Chaf and will never see and I'm thirty

1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:27.240
<v Speaker 8>four and I'm not sure i'll see it again type

1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:30.519
<v Speaker 8>of talent at Paid Course Stadium. I think Joe is

1:26:30.560 --> 1:26:33.960
<v Speaker 8>the best quarterback in franchise history right now. I wrote

1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:36.000
<v Speaker 8>a history book about the ben This is some young

1:26:36.080 --> 1:26:39.320
<v Speaker 8>nist guy. Just no, I've looked at the Kent Anderson

1:26:39.400 --> 1:26:41.519
<v Speaker 8>years and Boomer and all those things and so you

1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:45.000
<v Speaker 8>need to have that urgency. And you're right though, it

1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:48.080
<v Speaker 8>doesn't matter who's there. If that person that you get

1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:51.439
<v Speaker 8>isn't able to make you change, isn't able to push

1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:54.760
<v Speaker 8>this franchise forward. And I think that's where the conversation is.

1:26:54.840 --> 1:26:57.240
<v Speaker 8>Marvin Lewis did it. He pushed it forward in two

1:26:57.280 --> 1:27:00.000
<v Speaker 8>thousand and three when he got here. Obviously not far enough.

1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:02.400
<v Speaker 8>I do think that they've made some changes in the

1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:06.160
<v Speaker 8>Zach Taylor splash Joe Burrow era. Yeah, they need to

1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:09.120
<v Speaker 8>whatever it's going to be, Maybe it is Zach, I

1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:11.920
<v Speaker 8>don't know. But whoever's going to push them forward needs

1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:14.640
<v Speaker 8>to push them forward now. And it doesn't feel like

1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:15.920
<v Speaker 8>they have all the answers in the building.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, it was an example bare minimum, right, we

1:27:18.640 --> 1:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>bare minimum requirements to remove snow from the seats for

1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:25.639
<v Speaker 2>the fans a week ago. We just spent over two

1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twelve million dollars on extending the Bengals least

1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:30.680
<v Speaker 2>for another eleven years, with all the improvements going on,

1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:32.519
<v Speaker 2>and they turn around and go, yeah, you clean your

1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:33.280
<v Speaker 2>own damn seats off.

1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:34.080
<v Speaker 3>It's no big deal.

1:27:35.479 --> 1:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Draymond Jones made some comments eye opening comments after the game,

1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:40.360
<v Speaker 2>saying the Bengals weren't ready to play.

1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:41.800
<v Speaker 3>It was too cold for them.

1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:44.559
<v Speaker 2>There are times where guys take shots at teams and

1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>you go, it's them just chirping because of the division rivalry.

1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I think he made some good points.

1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:52.880
<v Speaker 8>I don't think the Bengals are ready one bit. I

1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:55.360
<v Speaker 8>think it was an uninspired per playments. I think they were.

1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:59.840
<v Speaker 8>I think they were somewhere else, somewhere else. And yeah,

1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:02.760
<v Speaker 8>the defense made some plays early, and you know who

1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:05.360
<v Speaker 8>was making plays, Guys that had to be right there

1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:08.479
<v Speaker 8>because they're playing for jobs and contracts, right And it

1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:11.320
<v Speaker 8>was good to see Miles Murphy with a couple of sacks.

1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:15.000
<v Speaker 8>Demetrius Knight Junior. I've been very critical of stepping up

1:28:15.000 --> 1:28:18.280
<v Speaker 8>and making some plays early, and so do you know what?

1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:21.280
<v Speaker 8>They should have been up ten nothing, thirteen to nothing,

1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:25.240
<v Speaker 8>fourteen nothing early in that game, and they weren't. And

1:28:25.320 --> 1:28:29.439
<v Speaker 8>why weren't they? Well, the guys that Zach Taylor should

1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:32.840
<v Speaker 8>be winning with Joe Burrow, jamar Chie, these guys would

1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:35.600
<v Speaker 8>just were out of sync, completely out of sync. And

1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:41.320
<v Speaker 8>I don't know why, but that why is an indictment

1:28:41.360 --> 1:28:44.960
<v Speaker 8>on the entire team and how this season has gone

1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:46.840
<v Speaker 8>because they should have came out with their hair on

1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:50.960
<v Speaker 8>fire yesterday, putting out the snow on all the seats,

1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:52.679
<v Speaker 8>and it was the exact opposite.

1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was a letdown from beginning. And then

1:28:55.160 --> 1:28:57.639
<v Speaker 2>James Rapine this morning chopping up the Bengals twenty four

1:28:57.640 --> 1:29:00.479
<v Speaker 2>to nothing elimination loss there four and ten, now no

1:29:00.560 --> 1:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>hope of the postseason. Three years of this and James

1:29:04.160 --> 1:29:06.559
<v Speaker 2>is over at Bengals Talk dot com, the only daily

1:29:06.760 --> 1:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Bengals podcast locked on Bengals, and the book entered the jungles.

1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the Bengals drafted seventeen defensive players. I believe

1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>it was the number since twenty twenty two. And how

1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:18.320
<v Speaker 2>many of those guys have panned out to you know,

1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:20.639
<v Speaker 2>to show you it's not just Zach Taylor, it's within

1:29:20.680 --> 1:29:23.280
<v Speaker 2>the organization itself. How many how many defensive studs canna

1:29:23.320 --> 1:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>go wow, Okay, DJ Turner great?

1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:25.639
<v Speaker 3>Who else?

1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:32.360
<v Speaker 8>I mean that as of now, I do think I

1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:35.640
<v Speaker 8>do think that Miles Murphy is showing a promigrant and

1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:39.639
<v Speaker 8>he's gone from like a guy that you're wondering if

1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:42.479
<v Speaker 8>he anything to oh, well, he can be a useful

1:29:42.520 --> 1:29:45.360
<v Speaker 8>piece moving forward. And what his feeling is is interesting,

1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:47.920
<v Speaker 8>and that's what the final three weeks of this year,

1:29:49.000 --> 1:29:52.479
<v Speaker 8>that's what it should be used for. I honestly, because

1:29:52.479 --> 1:29:54.120
<v Speaker 8>there's gonna be a lot of talk about Zach Taylor.

1:29:54.439 --> 1:29:56.519
<v Speaker 8>I don't think the final three weeks should matter when

1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:59.000
<v Speaker 8>it comes to Zach Fays. I think we've seen enough

1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:01.200
<v Speaker 8>and you're making a decision one way or another, do

1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:05.360
<v Speaker 8>tob and same thing, right your whatever your decision is.

1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:07.400
<v Speaker 8>I don't think the results of these final three weeks

1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:09.800
<v Speaker 8>should matter from that standpoint, because you know what I

1:30:09.800 --> 1:30:12.040
<v Speaker 8>want to do. I want to evaluate all these young guys.

1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:15.400
<v Speaker 8>I'm not necessarily focused on the result of the game

1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:17.120
<v Speaker 8>as much as I am. All right, well, how's Minles

1:30:17.200 --> 1:30:21.000
<v Speaker 8>Murphy progressing? How are some of these young guys progressing?

1:30:21.080 --> 1:30:24.840
<v Speaker 8>Is Jordan Battle doing everything he can to be a

1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:27.200
<v Speaker 8>building block because he's had an up and down season

1:30:27.240 --> 1:30:30.559
<v Speaker 8>and even yesterday, nice interception, but it happens three plays

1:30:30.600 --> 1:30:33.240
<v Speaker 8>after an awful misstackle where he should should have made

1:30:33.280 --> 1:30:35.559
<v Speaker 8>the play in the gap on the running back, so

1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:40.120
<v Speaker 8>that there are evaluation mode, for lack of a better term,

1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:43.040
<v Speaker 8>is the way to describe it. But yeah, as far

1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:46.720
<v Speaker 8>as overall stars on defense, Yeah, you might have DJ

1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:50.759
<v Speaker 8>Turner and then as of now there's we're still star hunting.

1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I would say, yes, I guess and any Shamar Stewart,

1:30:53.720 --> 1:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, you look at some of the guys they

1:30:55.040 --> 1:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>drafted and go, okay, well, events is going to pay

1:30:58.040 --> 1:31:01.519
<v Speaker 2>dividends and it hasn't. And again, you know, to the

1:31:01.600 --> 1:31:03.519
<v Speaker 2>to the point you made about well, is it really

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Taylor, I don't know. We changed coordinators from lou

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<v Speaker 2>Ana Aruma, who did pretty well until the Colts cell

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<v Speaker 2>A Park by the way, no fault of his, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think, but we have al Golden in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>the statistically the defense, well, I think they've regressed. I

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<v Speaker 2>just again, you keep bringing guys in that's not the problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it's a problem that'll ever get

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<v Speaker 2>fixed until the ownership realizes that they're the problem.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think ownership made that change because Zach Taylor

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<v Speaker 8>said that's a change that needed to be made, and

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<v Speaker 8>that's my words, not back, but that's that's how I

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<v Speaker 8>kind of perceived it. And obviously it hasn't worked out.

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<v Speaker 8>Now are there reasons for that?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>I think so. I think the Bengals should have went

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<v Speaker 8>out and been more aggressive and free agency to your point,

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<v Speaker 8>and they didn't. And then in the draft it puts

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<v Speaker 8>unnecessary pressure on Demetrius Knight, Jamar Stewart and all these

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<v Speaker 8>guys that, yeah, may end up being good players, but

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<v Speaker 8>you'll look at their pre draft evaluations, no one expected

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<v Speaker 8>them to be plug and play starters right away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>And so that it's just a tough, a tough situation.

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<v Speaker 8>Like I don't even know if al Goin's an awful coach.

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<v Speaker 8>Obviously the Fats say he's an awful defensive coordinator in

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<v Speaker 8>the NFL. I don't know if that's the case because

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<v Speaker 8>of the talent issues. So what's wrong right now? Everything?

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<v Speaker 4>Can it be fixed?

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<v Speaker 8>Of course it can, but a lot of aggressive things

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<v Speaker 8>need to happen for that to be the case. And

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just not sure that the powers that be are

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<v Speaker 8>willing to do that. They're still thinking about those seats,

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<v Speaker 8>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I mean those two things together, the abysmal

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<v Speaker 2>loss of seats and everything else. They are oblivious and

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<v Speaker 2>they simply don't care about what everyone else thinks about them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been a consistency as long as I've been a

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals fan and.

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<v Speaker 3>You as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just as sure as the sun's going to rise

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<v Speaker 2>and the east said in the west, that's a given. Especially,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say let me let me went at one point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's especially true now that the least extension

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<v Speaker 2>for eleven years is done.

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<v Speaker 8>I get it. I do get that, and that, no

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<v Speaker 8>doubt was a huge factor in that building. I will

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<v Speaker 8>say this, Mike Brown is the one that would sign

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<v Speaker 8>off on any major change anything you're thinking of Zach, Duke,

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<v Speaker 8>anything like that. He'd be the person that said, all right,

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<v Speaker 8>we need to make this change. Not Katie, it's not Troy,

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<v Speaker 8>it's not whoever else you think might be.

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<v Speaker 9>Mike.

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<v Speaker 8>He saw all those MPCs, he was there for that game,

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<v Speaker 8>he saw against the division rival, with the season on

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<v Speaker 8>the line, how awful that that performance was. That does

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<v Speaker 8>hit them, they like he does take a note of that.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not saying that it's going to be the difference

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<v Speaker 8>and Zach is going to be gone or this kind

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<v Speaker 8>of I'm not saying that, but I do think that

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<v Speaker 8>that's probably the first time this season where I look

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<v Speaker 8>at it and I'm like, all right, well, what's your excuse?

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<v Speaker 9>You had?

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<v Speaker 8>Joe? The seasons on the line. You're at home. It's

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<v Speaker 8>the team to be thirty two to fourteen two weeks

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<v Speaker 8>ago and you get boat race and shut out for

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<v Speaker 8>the first time in the Borough era.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's not a wake up call, James, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what is now we see you wait, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>today the cases, man, it would be that like today tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a day where Zach and Duke Tobin especially, we're

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<v Speaker 2>moving on from you guys. We've got to do something

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<v Speaker 2>to show the fan base that we actually care about

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<v Speaker 2>winning football games, not just making money. But here's me

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<v Speaker 2>and you and everyone listening holding their breath. James, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>as always. We'll talk again next week, win or lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Will you be here.

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<v Speaker 9>All wait?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always. I appreciate you, buddy. Thanks again, Have a

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