1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Well, it's Tuesday. It's twelve thirty. It's time for True 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Crime Tuesday. 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: The story is true, sounds true? No, it sounds made up. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. Gary and Shannon present True Crime. 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Before we get into the specifics of this show Monster 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: the ed Geene story, I'll stick with Gen. I think 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: you're probably right there. I have a question that has 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: bothered me since I started thinking about who makes movies? 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: Do you have any hand cream? Uh? No, no, No, okay, 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 3: I've made some hand cream. 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: I left it at home. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you look pretty flaky today. The 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: question of who rights the scariest movies that you can 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: think of? 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 4: Right? 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: Are they movies or are they books? 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: That's also that's fine too, But whoever creates this type 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: of thing? I think it really came to a head 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: when the Saw movies were so popular, that there. 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: Are people out there who have. 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Really sick, demented thoughts about humanity and us as bags 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: of meat and bone, and that they want to put 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: it on paper, or they want to put it on celluloid. 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: They want to show other people the crazy, depraved things 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: that go on in their heads. And I always wonder 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: what didn't make the cut. What are the craziest murder 27 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: scenes in movies and TV and books? Also what was 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: edited out? Because some of these I'm not a shrinking violet, 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: but some of them are completely unnecessary. 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 3: And to that point, when I'm watching the latest Ryan 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: Murphy show about ed Geen, I'm thinking to myself, why 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: didn't you just stick with what you had? 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: Why add more? 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: Instead of leaving something on the cutting room floor, he 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: added things to make the plot even scarier, or more 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: gruesome or worse. 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: Ed Gean is a guy I guess grew up in 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: the forties Plainfield, Wisconsin. He's torn between his perverse instincts. 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: I guess there's an autoerotic asphyxiation scene right off the bat, 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: and his devotion to his mother. 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 3: Right off the bat. In the show, I'm not spoiling anything. 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: If you spent more than five minutes watching this, he's 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: caught wearing his mother's underwear, hanging from a belt, standing 44 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: on a chair in his room, and masturbating, to which 45 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: I asked my husband, who happened to be walking by 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: in the home. How many serial killers were caught masturbating 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: by their mother? 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: All of them probably right? 49 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: But that's not to say that everybody who's been caught 50 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: masturbating by. 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: The way he treadn't that's what he said, which really 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: troubles me that both you did that really trouble. 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: Okay, that's funny. 54 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: But this guy, the mom in this case, played by 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Laurie Metcalf. 56 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: And the whole time you're like, Aunt, Becky, Oh. 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: That's I heard you say that. Earlier didn't know what 58 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: that meant. 59 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: All right, So in this case, this super religious mother 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: abhors sex and sin and women. And I guess the 61 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: older son had already gone away with a woman. 62 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: So the older son had at least in the first episode. 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: She was upset with the older son because he had 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: been getting close to a woman. And in fact, he 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: tells Ed his younger brother that he's going to marry 66 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: this girl and you got to get away from mom. 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: And Ed doesn't like that his older brother said, you 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: got to get away from mom. So there we are. 69 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: Here's what we know about the true story. This isn't 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: a spoiler. This is just what happened in history. And 71 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: like I said, Ryan Murphy takes liberties and how and. 72 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: This is no different. 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: It's kind of the trouble that everyone got into with 74 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: the Menendez brothers. Remember it was Ryan murphy second season 75 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: of the show Monster, where he profiled the Meneda's brothers 76 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: and he took liberties, and he took the molestation thread 77 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: a lot further than it ever went in real life. 78 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: And that's when people started calling for new trial and 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: you know, victims' rights and all of this stuff. Where 80 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: it was Ryan Murphy's own adaptation of that story was 81 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: the reason why there was renewed attention to the menandas brothers. 82 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: So here he is with ed Gean taking different liberties, 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 3: making something out of nothing here, but here is the 84 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: true story. Ed Gean was born in nineteen o six 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: to his parents, George and Augusta. He had one brother, Henry. 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: They moved to the farm in Plainfield, Wisconsin when Ed 87 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: was young. They lived mostly in isolation. He attended school, 88 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 3: Ed did, but was said to be punished by his 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: mother if he tried to make friends. Grew up in 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: a strict and religious household of the things, and producer 91 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: Matt chimed in on this as well. One of the 92 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 3: hurdles you have to get over is Ed's voice in 93 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: the show. Now he is played by the Sons of 94 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: Anarchy Hattie Guy, Charlie Hunum. Yeah, really yes, which is 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: why I think a lot of people had fascination about it. 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: At least I had fascination through the whole first episode 97 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: that he's able to transform himself into this character. 98 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: Oh but okay, go on. 99 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And his voice in this is so chilling and 100 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: so eerie. It's hard to take. You're just kind of 101 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: cringing the whole time when he's speaking. Anyway, we'll get 102 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: into more of this when we come back about what 103 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: happened in the real life story of ed Geen, what 104 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: went on with his parents and abuse and the farm 105 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 3: where I mean the whole like isolated on a farm 106 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: in a religious household. 107 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: What scary movie is that? It seems pretty cut cookie cutters. Yeah. 108 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 1: Edward Theodorghin, born in Wisconsin in nineteen o six, came 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: from a fervently religious from the Lutheran family there, and 110 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: is the subject of Ryan Murphy's latest season of Monsters. 111 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: Did Lutherans used to be more hardcore? Because the Lutherans, 112 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: I know, it's like a Catholic light. They are a 113 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: lovely people. I love the services. It's lovely. You can 114 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: be married and be a priest. 115 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: Well a big fan of the Lutheran Throw that throw 116 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: whatever flavor it is, throw into the mix. That dad 117 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: was an absolutely raging, violent alcoholic. So Ed grows up 118 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: in a at the very least confusing home and in 119 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: all honesty, I mean the he was put in jail 120 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: for exhuming corpses from graveyards and it gets gross. He 121 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: was fash, I mean keepsakes from their bones and their skin. 122 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: He confessed only to killing two women nineteen fifty four 123 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: and nineteen fifty seven. 124 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: He made a lamp shade from human Skin's. 125 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 2: I mean that's resourceful. One word. 126 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you're living in Plainfield, Wisconsin, on 127 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: a farm, you're not going to go down to the 128 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: target and buy a lamp shade. You're gonna make one 129 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: out of animal skin? Are you not? 130 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: Or you decide you probably don't need a lamp shade, 131 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: that you don't need it that much that you would 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: use human skin for It's well. 133 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: You could use animal skin, right, yeah, a deer as possible. 134 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: So one of the issues that you have. 135 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to google this and this may be one 136 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: of my worst googles. Can you make a lamp shade 137 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: out of skin. 138 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: I thought you said he already did. I just want 139 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: to see if it's common. It is not. It is 140 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: not going none of it is good. How would it 141 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: be common? 142 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: I just meant like to make it out of like 143 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: deer skin, Like if you lived off the land, did 144 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: you make things for your home with like you know, 145 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: I get where you're coming. 146 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: Thank you. 147 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: I was dying out here for like right, yeah, like 148 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: a goat goat skin would be probably a lamp shade. 149 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll move on. 150 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: You know, your birthdays not until July. I'm going to 151 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: have a hard time remembering that between now and then. 152 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: Get you a goat, and then it will not be homemade, 153 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: trust me. 154 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: But one of the issues that is that ed Gean 155 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: eventually I mentioned that he was uh confessed to killing 156 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: a couple of women. He was eventually found unfit to 157 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: stand trial. Uh, but he was dealing with hallucinations. And 158 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: one of the things that happens in this show is 159 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy kind of blurs the line between what actually 160 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: happened and the hallucinations. So he is basically crediting ed 161 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: Gean with killing more people than he might have actually killed. 162 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: Right, because you got to know what's hallucination and what's not. 163 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: And since he's. 164 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Doing it from Ed's perspective here, that's why the line 165 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: is blurred, because even Ed didn't know apparently what was 166 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: going on. 167 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: Yes, an untrustworthy narrator. He did tell investigators this was 168 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: in real life, that his desire to kill and keep 169 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: human flesh was driven by his deep connection with his mother, 170 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 3: his desire to be more like a woman by wearing 171 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: their skin. 172 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: So this is kind of like a you know, Silence 173 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: of the Lamb. 174 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: You're right, Buffalo, Bill, But you told me was not 175 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: real not that long ago. 176 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's that case is not real. 177 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: But I'm sure that people took the writer's creators took 178 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: some of liberties with past serial killer cases. Yeah, I'm 179 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: worried about Well, I'll tell you what I was gonna say. 180 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm worried about you because you watch this show. 181 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm worried about this woman who watched this show. 182 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: Stand by, she's gonna how are you guys? Good? Fine, 183 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: fantastic to hear. This is Karen. 184 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: And in regard to Monster, the Geen story, I all 185 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 4: of a sudden blanked on his first name. I think 186 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: it's ed Geen. I am a true crime enthusiast as 187 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: well with Hugh Shannon, but I couldn't stop watching it. 188 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: I blew through all the episodes. 189 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: So well, I get that like I started it after 190 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: that Chargers game on Sunday, so I had already had 191 00:10:53,679 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: my fill of horror and darkness and complete depravity, like 192 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: I had sat through four hours of it already on 193 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: that day. I don't know why I decided to put 194 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: sprinkles on top of my disastrous day with more disaster 195 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: and detritus, which was this show, but I did. And 196 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: I am going to get because you said that, I'm 197 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 3: going to give it another try. I'm gonna try episode 198 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: two today because I haven't watched four hours of complete 199 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: disappointment already. 200 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: So you don't think this was four hours of complete disappointment? No, oh, and. 201 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: Not after that game I watched on Sunday. 202 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: Now you have some truth full? Yeah, text, do you 203 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: have a measuring stick? 204 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: Sometimes when you're going through it and you're watching it 205 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: much like you know hell, you don't realize what you're in. 206 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: You're just kind of getting through it. 207 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: I just got to get through it and just get 208 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 3: your body's getting through it, it's like it's just like 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: a survival thing. And then once it's over, you're like, 210 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: what was that. Then it hits you, Right, that's the 211 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: stage I'm in. 212 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 2: Got it.