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Speaker 2: All Right, good afternoon, Welcome in, Happy Wednesday. First, let

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to run through today. We've got

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Speaker 2: some Cincinnati Bengals updates that we're gonna get to here.

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Speaker 2: In our number one, Zach Taylor is scheduled to speak

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Speaker 2: to the media this afternoon. We'll play that at one o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if there's any other Jamar Chase comments. We'll

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Speaker 2: get Joe Burrow update. There are injury updates from Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor and the Cincinnati Bengals that we will get to

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Speaker 2: all throughout today's show. Our phone lines are open five

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Speaker 2: one three, seven, four, nine, fifteen, thirty our number three Today,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a college basketball recap of everything that took

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Speaker 2: place last night. You want to talk about college basketball,

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Speaker 2: how about Xavier a thirty three point winner over Old

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Speaker 2: Dominion last night at the Centas Center. We'll recap that.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear a little of Rick Patino's opening statements after

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Speaker 2: the win and the loss last night, a non competitive

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Speaker 2: loss from Mark Pope and the Kentucky Wildcats against Michigan State.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear a little of Mark Pope's comments with Jeff

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Speaker 2: Goodman as well. Also in our number three, we don't

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Speaker 2: have a chance to do it, but Pat Kelsey, the

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Speaker 2: head coach of Louisville, caught up with Lance McAllister last night.

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Speaker 2: We'll play a couple minutes of that leading into Friday

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Speaker 2: Night's game at Heritage Bank Arena against the Cincinnati Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow on the show, Wes Miller, will you join us

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Speaker 2: to preview the UC Louisville game as well? And a

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Speaker 2: very special guest in our number three, Lana Yulrig, who

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Speaker 2: is with the Cincinnati Cancer Advisors, is going to stop

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Speaker 2: support the Cincinnati Cancer Advisor, So we will do that

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Speaker 2: in our number three. We'll also catch up with Moe

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Speaker 2: Egger in our number three, Zach Taylor in our number two,

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Speaker 2: your talkbacks, and a heck of a lot more between

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Speaker 2: now and then. College football playoff rankings came out last night.

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Speaker 2: Not much shake up in the top three. The top

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Speaker 2: three in fact, remain the same in the College Football

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Speaker 2: Playoff rankings. Ohio State, Indiana, and Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: After they're huge come from behind victory against South Carolina

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Speaker 2: is five, Ole, Missus six, Oregon seven, Oklahoma eight, Notre

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Speaker 2: Even though their coach doesn't think they should be in

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Speaker 2: the top twelve right now, they are currently in the

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Speaker 2: college Football Playoff rankings. Austin, as our resident Ohio State fan,

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Speaker 2: would you rather be at the end of the year

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Speaker 2: ranked number one or number two? If this were the

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Speaker 2: current bracket right now, Ohio State would play the winner

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Speaker 2: Tech and Georgia, while Indiana would see the winner of

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Speaker 3: I don't love any of those matchups, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the way it's currently set up, Ohio

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Speaker 2: Ohio State does have questions at wide receiver MM with

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Speaker 3: I don't know what a game against Charlotte's gonna do

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Speaker 2: I also wonder I just they're kind of out of

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Speaker 2: they would likely take on Georgia in the quarterfinals. But

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Speaker 3: I would assume if the bracket is how we expected,

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Speaker 3: Texas A and m could be the best game of

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Speaker 3: That feels like the national Championship game to a lot

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Speaker 2: Sure, some good college basketball tonight, Arizona Yukon, a pair

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Speaker 2: in tonight's sports slate as well. Last night the debut

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Speaker 2: Lebron played thirty minutes, eleven points, three rebounds, and twelve

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Speaker 2: nb A, there was a name in Baseball Austin that

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Speaker 2: there are some folks out there in Reds Country that

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Speaker 2: were wondering could this be a good fit for the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds. The answer will now be no, because Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles Angels outfielder Taylor Ward has signed with the Baltimore Orioles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that might have been a name

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Speaker 3: as we all know, is as offensive list of players

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Speaker 3: what I find interesting is the exchange here. The Angels

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Speaker 3: get a big league caliber pitcher in return. Now, Grayson

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Speaker 3: Rodriguez is not the best of the best, but he's

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Speaker 3: which we know it doesn't matter but still is twenty

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Speaker 3: Over the course of his career, he's got two hundred

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Speaker 3: That's a quality big league pitcher right there. And I

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Speaker 3: been less dealing for prospects. It's been major leaguer for

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Speaker 3: major leaguer, and that's what this deal was. A quality

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Speaker 3: with Lux and with Singers. Yeah, we have some NFL

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Speaker 3: news happening right now. The Cleveland Browns are saying that

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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders will make his first NFL start coming up

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Speaker 3: this weekend. Speaking of quarterbacks, Michael Pennix is going to

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Speaker 2: He's expected to be out nine months, and Austin ken Anderson,

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to Ken Anderson, Friend of the Show, Ken Anderson's

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Speaker 2: Also happening yesterday, but I think this was pretty much

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Speaker 2: as assumed it was going to. The one game suspension

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Speaker 2: for Jamar Chase was upheld by the appeal committee that

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Speaker 2: was heard by Jordy Nelson. That is going to cost

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase Austin four hundred and forty eight thousand, three

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three dollars and also forfeitting a fifty eight,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and twenty three dollars per game active bonus.

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Speaker 3: So over five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Over five hundred for a lookie, where does that money go?

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Speaker 3: I believe it is donated to various charities. Well, actually, fine,

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, So okay, what do you think was going

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Speaker 3: through Jordan Nelson's head? Oh when he reads this appeal?

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Speaker 3: If I was trying to spit on him. I would

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Speaker 3: have spit in his face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would have went with the Mike

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Speaker 2: Florio side that there's really no precedent for this. Jordan

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Speaker 2: I go back and again, to me, I would rather

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Speaker 2: Somebody asked me this yesterday because Jamar is very candid

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Speaker 2: We know the rivalry between Pittsburgh and Cincinnati is rooted

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to both, I'm talking to everybody.

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Speaker 5: Just shut up and play football.

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Speaker 6: That's how this game, that's how Pittsburgh Steelers play is

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Speaker 6: to work and you eat that dude down. Trypalma used

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Speaker 6: ray Us showy times were gonna Lucia to help me

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Speaker 6: We don't need that. That that extra stuff is unnecessary.

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Speaker 6: And listen, I'm not trying to say this students, anything wrong.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying that that rivalry between those two, I

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Speaker 6: I just hope that it's all settled Ramsey and we

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Speaker 3: First and foremost, to understand Ben and his audience, he's

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Speaker 3: dislike and especially when there's a playoff chapter in it

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: When you go back to the Jeremy Hill fumble.

436
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Speaker 3: Jeremy Hill, but also what happened on the sidelines, Joey Porter,

437
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Speaker 3: the Steelers special teams coach pulling Reggie Nelson's hair like

438
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Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. It's just it's an unfortunate

439
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: part of the story is that there is a hatred

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Speaker 3: that unites these two teams. And I think Ben's right.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe it's a little bit like the Bengals

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Speaker 3: and Ravens and Steelers and Ravens rivalry is is kind

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Speaker 3: of similar, like there's respect there, but for the other two. Nope,

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Speaker 3: not at all.

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Speaker 4: Nah.

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Speaker 2: Nah, Let's take a phone call before we grab a break.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, Mike, Hey.

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Speaker 7: Those what's going on? Well, Kenny Anderson, I sure hope

449
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Speaker 7: this guy gets in. He you know, I had the

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Speaker 7: privilege of watching him and he you know, he went

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Speaker 7: to Augustana College, so he obviously didn't get any.

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Speaker 8: Cub coming out. So that was a brilliant pick by

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Speaker 8: the Bengals when they picked in. Yeah, and he turned

454
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Speaker 8: out to be as solid as quarterback as you'll ever watch. Yep,

455
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Speaker 8: not spectacular necessarily, but extremely solid. And just wanted to

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Speaker 8: get your sentiments on the Kenny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you look at what he did when

458
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Speaker 2: he retired. I believe he was top He was sixth

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Speaker 2: in passing time passing yardage all time, and thirteenth in

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Speaker 2: passing touchdowns. He was an MVP in nineteen eighty one fourteen.

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Speaker 2: There are We've highlighted this before. There are far, far,

462
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Speaker 2: and above many folks in the Hall of Fame that

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Speaker 2: don't have the career statistics of Ken Anderson. And I

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Speaker 2: just I don't know if he's being punished because there

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Speaker 2: was this feel about the Bengals or whatnot. But Ken Anderson,

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Speaker 2: all I can say is how deserving he is based

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Speaker 2: on what he's done on the field. And if you

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Speaker 2: ever had the have had the privilege and the honor

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Speaker 2: to meet Ken in person, and I have, and we've

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Speaker 2: had him on this show before. He's not only one

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Speaker 2: of the best ever played quarterback, he's genuinely one of

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Speaker 2: the nicest human beings you'll ever meet. And I can't

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Speaker 2: say a bad thing about Ken Anderson. It's long overdue

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Speaker 2: and he is he is meant to be in the

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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm actually I've been sam prayers for the guy

477
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Speaker 7: because You're right as far as a human being and

478
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Speaker 7: a stand up citizen, Yep. You can't find a better

479
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Speaker 7: guy than Kenny Anderson. There's no way. Yeah, I wouldn't

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Speaker 7: mind doing a little basketball because I'm not talking about

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Speaker 7: the Bengals beause they're not gonna talk about I'm sorry,

482
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Speaker 7: it just isn't. I mean, you could, but it's kind

483
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Speaker 7: of wasted there. I'll tell you what the UK's list

484
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Speaker 7: and Cali Pari, I don't care what they say. And

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Speaker 7: you can talk Mark Pope all day. They misscal Yeah,

486
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Speaker 7: look what Cows went over to do with Arkansas with

487
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Speaker 7: the Razorbacks. That is a very dangerous basketball team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're dangerous, and I thought it was interesting. Leading

489
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Speaker 2: up to the game, tom Izzo went out of his

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Speaker 2: way to talk about the roster. He said, this Kentucky

491
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Speaker 2: roster is more talented than the Arkansas roster. He didn't

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Speaker 2: talk about the coaching because that Arkansas game with Michigan

493
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Speaker 2: State was a dogfight. That game last night was a blowout,

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Speaker 2: and I think there are a lot of people right

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Speaker 2: now questioning Mark Pope. With the money and the roster

496
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Speaker 2: they've spent to put that roster together, you have got

497
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Speaker 2: to yield better results early in the season.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you, ton I think Lebron showed a

499
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Speaker 7: lot of class last night. Nice mostly playing point and

500
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Speaker 7: getting twelve sixs and just knowing how to handle the situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: which leads me into the NBA. Look at these Pistons,

502
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Speaker 7: they're the story. Thirteen to two, k cunning him, that's

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Speaker 7: the story. And by the way, Austin, what happened to

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Speaker 7: your books?

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Speaker 2: Hundred Yeah, Pistons.

506
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Speaker 7: Playing at the time.

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Speaker 2: Little sisters of the Pistons have won eleven games in

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Speaker 2: a row. Unbelievable, crazy, crazy.

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Speaker 7: And you gotta love it because it wasn't It wasn't

510
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Speaker 7: anything anybody now who knows it. They'll stay there. But

511
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 7: it was unexpected. And that's what makes team sports funds

512
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 7: and stuff that you weren't playing on. I really and

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Speaker 7: and and I'm telling you, man, they're okayc team. They're

514
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Speaker 7: not just beating people, Tony, they are smoking people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're They're not getting talked about enough for being

516
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Speaker 2: fourteen and one. Their average point differential is almost sixteen.

517
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Speaker 2: That is easily the highest in the National Basketball Association.

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Speaker 2: They are, they're dominant, they are they are so good

519
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: and They're good on both sides of the ball, which

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00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: is refreshing to watch.

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Speaker 7: And they don't even have Jalen Williams there second best players.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed, it's it's incredible.

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Speaker 7: One last thing, I I don't like this game with

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Speaker 7: for you see on against Louisville. I don't like it.

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Speaker 7: I don't like it at all. For you see, I

526
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Speaker 7: really don't. That's a basketball team down there, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they can score it from all angles. It is

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Speaker 2: a what I think Louisville's a national title contender. I

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Speaker 2: think they are and I don't think you sees there yet,

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Speaker 2: but it'll be a measuring stick for how far off

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Speaker 2: you see potentially is. I think that at least you

532
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: can get out of the game and hopefully grow from it.

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Speaker 2: On Friday night, Oh, I know you got to go.

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Speaker 7: But I'm with you real quick and just hit me

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Speaker 7: in the head. I'm with you on Texas Tech and football. Yeah,

536
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Speaker 7: I'm really with you on that's a that's a tough,

537
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 7: tough football team. I'll let you go.

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Speaker 2: Thanks boy, thank you, Mike, appreciate you. Let's get a break, Austin.

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Speaker 2: I want to uh, I want to have two conversations

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Speaker 2: around the Bengals. When we come back, I want to

541
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Speaker 2: have a brief Trey Hendrickson conversation to kind of pick

542
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Speaker 2: up from yesterday and then this whole Joe Burrow to

543
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: play or not to play conundrum. Let's dive into that

544
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Speaker 2: a little bit more when we return. He SPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to Skyline, you've.

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Speaker 1: Been listening to Football in the Nattie on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: We'll grab another phone caller to here in the next segment,

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Speaker 2: real quick, Austin, I just want us to make sure

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Speaker 2: we're on the same page as it relates to Trey Hendrickson.

553
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Speaker 2: We glazed over this with Mo and Quick Hitch yesterday.

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Speaker 2: But back to back Mondays, we've heard from Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 2: and Zach Taylor's been asked about Trey Hendrickson in both Mondays.

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Speaker 2: He's been very adamant, doubtful. He's doubtful. This week we've

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Speaker 2: heard week to week, we've heard rumblings is there a

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Speaker 2: potential surgery for Trey Hendrickson this also, with the backdrop

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Speaker 2: of the contract situation that happened all throughout the offseason

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Speaker 2: and what contract situation he's in right now, it would

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Speaker 2: lead me to believe that we are closer Austin to

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Speaker 2: not seeing Trey Hendrickson play another snap this year than

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Speaker 2: we are to Trey Hendrickson playing another snap this year.

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Speaker 2: It's just if he was close, or if there was

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Speaker 2: an option. Knowing what we know about Zach Taylor and

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Speaker 2: hearing how he has spoken the past, I feel like

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Speaker 2: it would be like, you know, we're going to evaluate

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Speaker 2: how this week goes. I don't know yet. We'll see

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Speaker 2: as we go. It's not been that with Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: It's been very blunt. It's been very brief, doubtful this week.

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Speaker 2: Are we looking too much into that or do you

572
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Speaker 2: feel like we're at the end here with Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: I think it's weird that Zach has shot it down

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Speaker 3: as quickly as he has is if nothing else, you

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Speaker 3: would want New England to think Trey Henderson's going to

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Speaker 3: be on the field the threat of him, yeah, or

577
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Speaker 3: at least say we'll see how he does or we'll

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Speaker 3: see if he practices or whatever. And it's also weird

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Speaker 3: that they haven't put him on IR. They could have

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Speaker 3: put him on IR a couple of weeks ago if

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Speaker 3: it was going to take this long, and he could

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Speaker 3: have missed a minimum of four games, So that I

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Speaker 3: find weird just because it's a deviation from the norm.

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Speaker 3: I also wonder if both sides are kind of looking

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Speaker 3: at this thinking, yeah, I think we're done here.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that info could have been out there

587
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: and that's why that they didn't get anything better than

588
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: a fourth round offer?

589
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Speaker 3: Potentially? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's part of it. But

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Speaker 3: you know, I think the other thing with that, or

591
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Speaker 3: Trey could have quietly doubled out and said, if you

592
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: don't trade me, I'm not playing. Sure, that's also a possibility.

593
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Speaker 3: It's just a guess, but you know, I put up

594
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Speaker 3: the poll question at Audiom or will Trey play again

595
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: this season for the Bengals? Eighty three percent said no.

596
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Speaker 3: I also look at, you know, the standoff that they

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Speaker 3: had in the offseason and the Bengals reinvesting in him because,

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Speaker 3: as dumb as it might be, they thought they could

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl this year. Yeah, and they've not

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00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: been willing to commit to him long term because I

601
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: think they have doubts about players his age at that position,

602
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Speaker 3: especially somebody who's not been an elite athlete, and now

603
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Speaker 3: even more so a guy who's going through it a

604
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: weird back hip pelvis injury. And so yeah, they reserve

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Speaker 3: the right to franchise tag him at twenty six million dollars,

606
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Speaker 3: twenty seven million dollars whatever it is next year, and

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Speaker 3: that's a possibility. I have a hard time believing the

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Speaker 3: Bengals are going to re up and say, Okay, we

609
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Speaker 3: want to double down on keeping Trey Henderson here. And

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Speaker 3: maybe they do tag him and trade him. That's obviously

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Speaker 3: a possibility, and I'm sure a team would take him

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Speaker 3: for that price tag. But if it really is about

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Speaker 3: evaluation from here on out and Trey is not going

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Speaker 3: to be a part of your future, yep, there's no

615
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Speaker 3: need for him to play. Correct.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of playing, let's talk about Joe Burrow. Dan Graziano

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Speaker 2: and Jeremy Fowler of ESPN had this conversation as well,

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Speaker 2: and talking about Joe Burrow and Jaden Daniels, and I

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Speaker 2: just want to read a couple excerpts here from Graziano

620
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Speaker 2: and Fowler Dan Grasiano Report, and again I think we'll

621
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Speaker 2: hear more from this from Zach Taylor at one o'clock today.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals playing to give Burrow more work in practice

623
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Speaker 2: this week. He has said that he's targeting the Thanksgiving

624
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Speaker 2: game that is, of course, next Thursday. A lot of

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Speaker 2: the answer will depend on how the toe responds to

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Speaker 2: the work he's getting in practice. But from what I've

627
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Speaker 2: been told, so far, so good. Jeremy Fowler says that

628
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: what appears clear is that Burrow wants to play. Team

629
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Speaker 2: record be damn. Whether he actually play remains to be seen.

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Speaker 2: The team will have something to say about that, but

631
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Speaker 2: he's now of the mindset right now that he's playing.

632
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Speaker 2: The AFC North door has been left slightly open. They

633
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: go on to talk a little bit more of Graziano

634
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Speaker 2: that he expects Burrow to play as soon as he's cleared.

635
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Speaker 2: The Bengals will regret losing the fourth quarter leads to

636
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Speaker 2: the Jets and Bears, which we've talked about, but still

637
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: expect them to get him back on the field because

638
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: the coaching staff might need to win some games to

639
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: feel fully comfortable about keeping their jobs. Also talks to

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Speaker 2: the point of the Bengals or not one to wave

641
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: the white flag, and then Jeremy Foller adds that returning

642
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to play, even if the playoffs are out

643
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 2: of reach, could help build confidence and momentum for both

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00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: the player and the team going into twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: although the Bengals could opt to save him for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. All of this being said, I think there

647
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: are two very very different scenarios Austin. One, what do

648
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: you want to see the Bengals do with Joe Burrow?

649
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: And does that match what you think the Bengals will

650
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: do with Joe Burrow. I want to watch Joe Burrow play.

651
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: I think he should play. I think it would be

652
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: good for everybody if he does play. Now, If if

653
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: what they're saying is true that the Bengals may need

654
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: to win a couple of games for the staff to

655
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: feel comfortable, I think that's I think that's probably true.

656
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean, anytime you lose a bunch of games, nobody's

657
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: really gonna feel comfortable about it. And we've had the

658
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: conversation in the past that if this thing were to

659
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: really really unravel, it might reach the point of no

660
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: return for Zach Taylor. And so I'm sure he does

661
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: feel the heat. And you do think whenever Joe Burrow's

662
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: on the field, you have a better chance at winning

663
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: football games.

664
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most people would agree with that. So,

665
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're a Bengals fan and you want

666
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: them to fire Zach Taylor, then you probably don't want

667
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow to play, and you're rooting for them to

668
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: lose every game the rest of the year. I look

669
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: at it and say, they have their quarterback. He hasn't

670
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 3: played since September. He needs he just needs to play football.

671
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 3: Like if he plays two games and he doesn't really

672
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: start doing football activities again until July June July, that

673
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: I don't think is a good thing. And I think

674
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: it's important for him to play, especially to continue to

675
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: play with some of these young players like Dylan Fairchild

676
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: and maybe Jalen Rivers. God help us if he's on

677
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: the field while Burrow's out there. But I don't think

678
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: it's a bad thing for Burrow to play.

679
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

680
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: I also don't know that that they're gonna win a

681
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: bunch of games even with him.

682
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there's something to the fact that

683
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: you're paying a guy fifty five million dollars he should play. Yeah, sure,

684
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: that's fair. But I've been so back and forth on this.

685
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: But if you're going to to to move forward in

686
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: fear that Joe Burrow, if you don't want him to

687
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: play because he's gonna get hurt, that's not the right

688
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: way to look at it anyway.

689
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: Correct.

690
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: If that's the fear, and if that's a fear in

691
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: the organization, then this thing's been built the wrong way,

692
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: in which we've already talked about. You you can't. You can't.

693
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: If you're the Bengals saying well, we want Joe to

694
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: get reps, but we don't want to get him hurt,

695
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: then that's an indictment on the team you've put together. Yeah, which,

696
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: again we've talked about that a lot. Guy's getting fifty

697
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: five million. I agree with you, he needs reps. Yeah,

698
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: he has to play football. Whether you are playing for

699
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: something or not, you're playing for your organization, you're playing

700
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: for that sea that you're wearing on your chest. You're

701
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: playing for the guys around you that are still playing

702
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: for something. And I think that's why Joe Burrow has

703
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: made it such a point to want to get back

704
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: because Joe realizes that Joe realizes the guys around him

705
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: as well and wants to be right by them. I

706
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: think Joe Burrow should play, and I think the Bengals

707
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: will do that to him.

708
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: I think it's good for everybody if he plays. Now.

709
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: I don't know that they should necessarily rush him back

710
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: at this point because last week was basically the last gasp.

711
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if they had won that game, then I

712
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: think it's almost certain he plays on Thanksgiving night. But

713
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: now it's like, Okay, well, let's give you the extra week,

714
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: We'll have you play in Buffalo, you know, whatever it

715
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: might be. I don't know that they should really be

716
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: rushing him back. Yeah, and you know that also being said,

717
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: if he can play, you know those three games Buffalo Baltimore,

718
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: Miami or Baltimore Miami Arizona, no real reason for him

719
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 3: to play in Week eighteen, that I would be okay

720
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: with him sitting out because there's no win there.

721
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Whatsoever, especially if Miles Garrett's going for thirty sacks correct exactly.

722
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: I mean that who knows that game could be for

723
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: the number one pick of the draft.

724
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well, all right, let's break, let's come back.

725
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: We'll grab a phone call, we'll finish up this conversation,

726
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: and we'll get to Zach Taylor speaking at one o'clock

727
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station thanks to

728
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: Skyline Chili School Insie a strong one.

729
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: I gotta have some fun tonight.

730
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: Welcome back our one since he three sixty Wednesday afternoon,

731
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: thanks to Skyline Chili, Zach Taylor, his weekly press conference

732
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: happens in just about ten minutes. We'll carry that to

733
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: kick off our number two. Right before your talkbacks, Let's

734
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: grab ourselves a phone call. Marcus, what's up? Hey?

735
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Speaker 5: How are you guys doing good? How are you good?

736
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: When it comes to the Bengals, I just I feel

737
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 4: like it's not.

738
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: Going anywhere fast. I'm more. I mean, obviously this year

739
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 5: is just washed up and done.

740
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 4: But it's like that, It's like that famous line in

741
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: Angels and the Outfield when George Knox goes to the

742
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: owner and says, you have to trade all of them? Yeah,

743
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 4: and the and the owner says, I can't trade twenty

744
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: five guys. Sure, this whole defense needs to be redone

745
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 4: and I feel like this could be a multi year

746
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: project and we don't have that when it comes to Burrow,

747
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: Chase and Higgins.

748
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 5: Correct your your don't I don't know where you go

749
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 5: from there.

750
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: Your pain of your stars is an emphasis to try

751
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: to win now, but the rest of the roster doesn't

752
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: add up to that as well. And that's a very

753
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: hard dilemma.

754
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 5: Right, So it's like, what do they do.

755
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: Do they strictly just draft defense and hopes to hit

756
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 4: on one even though they they've showed no confidence.

757
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 5: In doing that, or do you use your entire cap

758
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 5: and sign defensive guys?

759
00:39:59,760 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 7: Yeah?

760
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have to make the fundamental shift

761
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: to start getting more proven players. And Austin, I know,

762
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: I don't know the number exactly. Austin, I know you've

763
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: alluded to the fact that they do have a lot

764
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: of money in this upcoming offseason.

765
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, as it stands right now, about seventy million dollars

766
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: in cap space next year.

767
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just wonder if that's enough to

768
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 4: get I mean, obously, you can't sign every single position,

769
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: but I mean, like I said, I just there's just

770
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 4: so many holes on the defensive side.

771
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 5: And I was watching the game on Sunday, and.

772
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: No matter what you do with Murphy and Osi, they

773
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 4: can't pass rush. So I was really sitting there and

774
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: I'm like, if you're al Golin, why don't you just

775
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: they the We're done trying to practice pass rushing. Let's

776
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: just drop everybody in coverage. Yeah, and maybe they are

777
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: doing that, but we just don't have the talent of

778
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: the players who do to cover anyway. So I mean,

779
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 4: it's it's just the nets on defense and I don't know,

780
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 4: and I just don't see it being stick anytime soon,

781
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 4: and that's gonna be a problem.

782
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Marcus. I appreciate the call, you know, Austin,

783
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the dilemma right now, is

784
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: that it feels hopeless in a sense that you know

785
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: you have talent on offense, but the hopelessness comes from

786
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: just the inability to get anything productive on the defensive SOD.

787
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: I mean, we are nearing the trend right now. They've

788
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: tied an NFL record of giving up at least twenty

789
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: seven or more and nine straight football games. They are

790
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: trending from a DVOA standpoint to be the worst defense

791
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: in the history of the National Football League. That leads

792
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: to a very helpless, hopeless feeling about this team.

793
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we've had this conversation a thousand times.

794
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: I think there's a couple of guys that you feel

795
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: comfortable moving forward with. Dax Hill is one of them.

796
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: I'm still open to Miles Murphy, especially if he plays

797
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: the way he played on Sunday. Sunday was the best

798
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: game of Miles Murphy's career. Yeah, can you stack that.

799
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: Hopefully that turns into something and I would be happy

800
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: with that. Mar Stewart, I'm still willing to see what

801
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: he has and I think he's just had a terrible

802
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: first year where nothing has really gone his way. Other

803
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 3: than that, there's a lot of work to be done.

804
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: I don't think Jordan Battle is a lost cause. I

805
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: don't know that he's necessarily a starter, but I don't

806
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: think he's a lost cause. So you just look at

807
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: that and you think, Okay, well, that's three or four guys.

808
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna need another twenty to fill out the rest

809
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: of the defense that you feel comfortable with. And I

810
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: get it. That feels like a tall task and seventy

811
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: million dollars may not be enough. When you have other

812
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: things to consider. You're gonna need a third wide receiver.

813
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: You're gonna need a left tackle at some point, You're

814
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: probably gonna need running back depth, offensive line depth. All

815
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: that stuff is gonna be necessary towards building the team. However,

816
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 3: I do want to re emphasize the point that this

817
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: defense does not need to go from number thirty two

818
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: to number one. We said that going into last offseason

819
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: and at least made sense of the plan that they

820
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: had on paper. It just hasn't worked. The biggest question

821
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: in the offseason is, Okay, how do we adjust and

822
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: do we bring in more free agents or proven veteran

823
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: guys in free agency to help on defense. And then

824
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: you also have the ability, as far as I understand,

825
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: it's still to restructure the Borough contract to open up

826
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: even more space if you need to. So if you

827
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: decide to trade Tray, you get that off the books,

828
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: you get you know, maybe another pick or two from there,

829
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: maybe you get a player in return from that. Like,

830
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of various ways they can go. Can

831
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: they get from thirty second in the NFL to twenty second?

832
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 3: And if they do, they're probably a playoff.

833
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: Team, which essentially is what we describe the offensive line,

834
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: and because of how bad the defense has been, we

835
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: haven't had a chance to do this, but the offensive

836
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: line is trending that way. They're not the worst O

837
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: line in football. Yeah, it's we don't need them to

838
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: be the best OH line in football. But all off

839
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: season we said, can they just be a middle of

840
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: the pack O line?

841
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

842
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: Can you get that? On the defensive side.

843
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: One of the other questions of the off season is

844
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 3: going to be can Jalen Rivers take a step forward

845
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: or are they going to need to readdress that position

846
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: as well.

847
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: I think left tackle.

848
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: River has two snaps a game where you're like, oh,

849
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: I can see it, and then about fifteen or twenty

850
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: snaps a game where it's like, ugh, I don't know

851
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: if I want this guy blocking for Joe Burrow. Meanwhile,

852
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: Dylan Fairchild steady sure, Orlando Brown Junior, I think you

853
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: and I both agree you don't feel comfortable with him

854
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: moving forward. He's okay. I don't know if it's time

855
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: to totally pull the plug. But that's not somebody that

856
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: you think you know next year going into his age

857
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: thirty one season, that you're gonna rely on heavily. It's

858
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: gonna have to be addressed.

859
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: All right, Let's get a break in, let's wrap up

860
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: our number one when we come back, ideally right when

861
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: we come back, if not shortly thereafter. Zach Taylor will

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