Speaker 1: Don't want to be.
Speaker 2: I've got a flung show on seven hundred WLW. Frozen.
Speaker 2: That's how we are this morning. Frozen. Highways were astoundingly
Speaker 2: great this morning, at least for me. Anyway. I know
Speaker 2: there's some trouble spots out there still, but I mean,
Speaker 2: think about it. Ohio is something like, I think in
Speaker 2: excess of forty three thousand lane miles of roads forty
Speaker 2: three thousand, So that's like in two days they plowed
Speaker 2: almost two times around the globe. That's crazy. Matt Bruding
Speaker 2: is here from ODOT and he is the guy in
Speaker 2: charge of all the plows. Mac, good morning.
Speaker 3: How are you You are way overestimating my ability?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're only in charge when the plows
Speaker 2: don't do their job, then we yell at Matt. He
Speaker 2: doesn't take credit when everything goes. It's seems like, are
Speaker 2: you guys all caught up?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say caught up. We're certainly dealing with a
Speaker 3: lot of blowing and drifting issues, but the highways are
Speaker 3: looking a lot better. There are a lot of spots
Speaker 3: that are looking a lot better, but we still have
Speaker 3: a long way to go to get everything back to
Speaker 3: perfect where we'd like it to be. So we still
Speaker 3: need people to be careful out there if they're driving around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd get calls obviously at the station and especially
Speaker 2: over in the newsroom, people saying, I don't know what
Speaker 2: you guys are saying. There's areas of the roads the
Speaker 2: highways that all of a sudden, it just looks like
Speaker 2: it hasn't been plowed at all. And then in prace
Speaker 2: what causes that all of a sudden the middle there's
Speaker 2: there's just a bunch of snow, do you guys miss
Speaker 2: that is that stuff that's falling off of vehicles?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 3: Probably stuff that's falling off of vehicles? And then again
Speaker 3: a lot of blowing and drifting from the piles on
Speaker 3: the side of the road that we're seeing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I drove down to Cincinnati from Chilicofee yesterday
Speaker 3: evening and counted dozens of cars that had you know,
Speaker 3: snow still on top of them that was blowing off
Speaker 3: and then with you know, scatter across the highway. And
Speaker 3: so we need people to you know, get that stuff
Speaker 3: off your Car's a visibility issue, but obviously it can
Speaker 3: be a roadway issue. And with it being as cold
Speaker 3: as it is, that's not going to melt anytime soon,
Speaker 3: So we need people to do that, do their part.
Speaker 3: And then, yes, mother in nature, we see her to
Speaker 3: quit blowing the snow back across the road. That would
Speaker 3: be very helpful as well.
Speaker 2: All right, so we are now in the Arctic deep
Speaker 2: freeze now for at least the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: What challenge does that pose to you, guys?
Speaker 3: Well, the main weapon that we use to try to
Speaker 3: de ice roads is salt, and salt becomes less effective
Speaker 3: when temperatures get below twenty we're obviously well below that,
Speaker 3: and as you pointed out, we're going to stay below
Speaker 3: that for a while, so that is really going to
Speaker 3: hamper our ability to clear these roads off as quickly
Speaker 3: as we would like to if it were say in
Speaker 3: the mid twenties. One thing that will help us, though,
Speaker 3: is the sun. We got a lot of sun yesterday
Speaker 3: and I think you're seeing the results of that. We're
Speaker 3: hopeful that that will continue today and we'll be able
Speaker 3: to get these roads even better. But we also just
Speaker 3: need the wind to calm down. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 3: take much wind to blow this powdery snow around, and
Speaker 3: that's what we're seeing as well in other areas. So
Speaker 3: if that's going to be a challenge and drivers are
Speaker 3: going to just have to be extra alerts because conditions
Speaker 3: can change very quickly when you're out there in these
Speaker 3: type of elements.
Speaker 2: All right, so walk us through through Matt burning. What
Speaker 2: you guys, what odat did the response timeline? National Weather
Speaker 2: Service first issues a winter storm warning that went an
Speaker 2: effect on Thursday, if not Friday, and that first twenty
Speaker 2: four hours Saturday. Okay, we waited for some snow. May
Speaker 2: got a little bit of it, but the real stuff
Speaker 2: didn't start here in Cincinnati anyway until late afternoon on
Speaker 2: Sunday through late Sunday, So it just it started coming
Speaker 2: down and buckets. At that point, what point do you
Speaker 2: shift from pre treatment to full snow snow removal operation.
Speaker 3: Well, let me back the clock up even more. Every
Speaker 3: Monday afternoon we have a big call with the National
Speaker 3: Weather Service and our private weather vendor and all of
Speaker 3: our managers and folks across the state of Ohio. We
Speaker 3: do it every Monday afternoon, and so this particular last
Speaker 3: Monday afternoon, they were telling us like, look, there's going
Speaker 3: to be actually I guess it was Tuesday, because last
Speaker 3: Monday was Martin lusking to day. Yeah, but they were
Speaker 3: telling us, you know, this is going to be an
Speaker 3: impactful storm coming later in the week. We had another
Speaker 3: call later in the week to kind of just reset everybody,
Speaker 3: to make sure we all had the latest information. And
Speaker 3: like you said, Saturday, we were out kind of trying
Speaker 3: to get ahead of it. In some areas of the state,
Speaker 3: we were pre treating roads, but in other areas of
Speaker 3: the state, you just have your crews out ahead of it.
Speaker 3: That is the pre treatment. And so I know when
Speaker 3: I was looking at our plow tracking software in house,
Speaker 3: there were a lot of plows and I'm sure people
Speaker 3: saw this as well where they were driving around Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 3: Plous were staged along the road. They were on their route,
Speaker 3: ready to go when those first flakes started falling. And
Speaker 3: so we do that because we want to make sure
Speaker 3: we're out ahead of it. And then of course it's
Speaker 3: around the clock throughout the duration of the storm, and
Speaker 3: they're still out there. They haven't stopped really since probably
Speaker 3: sometime either Friday night or Saturday morning, depending on the location.
Speaker 2: All Right, so you guys are throwing down salt at
Speaker 2: what point, how many instanes before you drop the blade.
Speaker 3: Oh, they'll drop the blade here, you know, right away,
Speaker 3: as soon as there's measurable snows to be pushed. They
Speaker 3: also don't drop a ton of salt when they're pushing
Speaker 3: that snow. And then we'll add in some things because
Speaker 3: those cold temperatures limit the ability of the salt to work.
Speaker 3: They'll use a variety of tools like calcium chloride. We
Speaker 3: use magnesium chloride. There's some products that use beat sugar
Speaker 3: beet derivatives to try to activate that salt at lower temperatures.
Speaker 3: So all of those things are in the tool belt,
Speaker 3: and we're using everything to try to make sure we
Speaker 3: can stay ahead of this winter storm.
Speaker 2: What do you guys use from a technology standpoint, Matt Breening.
Speaker 2: You know, here in Cincinnati we unveiled the GPS plowtrack app,
Speaker 2: which from all intensive purposes, we're pretty critical of them
Speaker 2: in the city, and that's not you guys at the
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. It looks like it worked really well
Speaker 2: and people are like, hey, my road getting plowed or
Speaker 2: it's not plowed yet, and it seems to work really
Speaker 2: really well. How long have you guys been on that technology.
Speaker 3: So we've used that for what I've been an ODETT
Speaker 3: for almost eleven years, and I don't think it was
Speaker 3: too long after I got there that we did a
Speaker 3: research project with a I think it was the University
Speaker 3: of Akron. We did a research project on some kind
Speaker 3: of a plow tracking software that we built in house
Speaker 3: with them, and we continue to use that. It's really
Speaker 3: beneficial to our managers to kind of be able to
Speaker 3: see what conditions are like. It's not just a tracker.
Speaker 3: It comes with the cameras that are in the dash
Speaker 3: of the vehicles, so we can see what those look like.
Speaker 3: And that's what I and my fellow public information officers
Speaker 3: use to show everybody in those conditions on social media posts.
Speaker 2: Nice. So Cincinnati's only ten years Cincinnatial only ten years
Speaker 2: behind Columbus in the state.
Speaker 3: Good. Well, there are a lot of communities that do
Speaker 3: those live tracking things. You know, it's an investment. I'm sure,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not. I don't know what it costs.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not cheap to do those kinds of things.
Speaker 3: So you have to look at those and weigh those.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know other states like Indiana, will they
Speaker 3: put that stuff on their five to one one websites.
Speaker 3: So there's just a variety of options for people out there.
Speaker 3: It just depends on what level of investment you're willing
Speaker 3: to do and what you think the returnament investment is.
Speaker 3: We certainly think that there's a return on it for
Speaker 3: us to be able to manage those in house and
Speaker 3: be able to see what the conditions are in real
Speaker 3: time for our managers.
Speaker 2: What about temperature censors, those embedded in the highway and
Speaker 2: how you have out there.
Speaker 3: We have road weather information stations across the state. They're
Speaker 3: called ARWISK stations because of course at O DOOT we
Speaker 3: have to have an acronym for literally every absolutely actually,
Speaker 3: so that's an acronym, so yeah, in and of itself.
Speaker 3: So there are about two hundred of those across the
Speaker 3: state of Ohio and they will give us a lot
Speaker 3: of good data for pavement conditions, temperatures, you know, moisture content,
Speaker 3: things like that. That's very helpful for arm An interest
Speaker 3: to decide what, you know, what kind of materials we're
Speaker 3: going to use to what level. You know, each of
Speaker 3: our plows are equipped with very high tech technology to
Speaker 3: be able to adjust exactly how much salt they need
Speaker 3: to be putting out per lane mile, so we can
Speaker 3: dial that in into you very precise with with the
Speaker 3: amount of material that we're putting down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. He's Matt Bruney with ODOT, our former colleague
Speaker 2: here at seven hundred w W and then he got
Speaker 2: smart started working for the stake making that big cash.
Speaker 2: Right now, he's the guy in charge all the snowplows
Speaker 2: and you know, always working to catch up of course
Speaker 2: with snow dress and everything else. But now we're facing
Speaker 2: two weeks of sub zero temperatures in regard to that too,
Speaker 2: What changes relative that? What's your strategy like now with
Speaker 2: no snow forecast but rather these these bitterly cold temperatures
Speaker 2: as far as keeping the roadways free of black ice,
Speaker 2: and is that even possible?
Speaker 3: It's an ongoing thing. I mean you just have to
Speaker 3: constantly stay on top of it. Same with that blowing
Speaker 3: and drifting. I mean we our folks know where those
Speaker 3: spots are that are you know that generally see that
Speaker 3: blowing and drifting snow, and of course it's just you know,
Speaker 3: trying to stay on top of it and keep making passes,
Speaker 3: keep treating and keep pushing any salt or any snow
Speaker 3: that accumulates on the roadway, keep putting the salt down.
Speaker 3: You just keep on it until the conditions improved to
Speaker 3: the point where you don't have to. So I would
Speaker 3: imagine we will have plow and crews out on the
Speaker 3: road definitely throughout this week, maybe even into the weekend.
Speaker 3: We'll see probably not to the level obviously that we
Speaker 3: had on Sunday at the height of the storm, and
Speaker 3: even most of the day yesterday. We were at the
Speaker 3: height of the storm, about twelve hundred fift the crews
Speaker 3: out across the entire state of Ohio and that's pretty
Speaker 3: much an all call, and now we're down to about
Speaker 3: one thousand. So in some areas we've been able to
Speaker 3: reduce the number of folks out on the road, but
Speaker 3: they'll stay out of twelve hour shifts around the clock
Speaker 3: until the job is completely done and we're confident that
Speaker 3: the roads are safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Brooding, you know you'll be driving all of
Speaker 2: a sudden it's like the road's fine, then it's not.
Speaker 2: And that is because we've got this wonky thing between
Speaker 2: the state and between local municipalities and counties. Are that matter.
Speaker 2: I think that's confusing for a lot of drivers as
Speaker 2: who's response for what peaches a piece of roadway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm glad you asked that. So, I mean
Speaker 3: ODT is responsible for all the state and US routes
Speaker 3: outside municipalities, and all of the interstates in Ohio except
Speaker 3: for the Ohio Turnpike. The Turnpike is a separate entity.
Speaker 3: They have their own crews. Your city streets are taken
Speaker 3: care of by your local municipality. They're also township roads
Speaker 3: and county roads that County Engineer's Office takes care of.
Speaker 3: Everybody has their network of roads that they maintain and
Speaker 3: take care of. ODAD being one of those. Ours is
Speaker 3: about forty three thousand lane miles, as you said at
Speaker 3: the top of the show, and so it's an ongoing
Speaker 3: effort to take care of what we have to do.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you will see those, you know, changing conditions, and
Speaker 3: not just at municipal boundaries, but every plow has a
Speaker 3: dedicated route that it goes on. And so if you're
Speaker 3: you know, going from one plow route where maybe the
Speaker 3: plow is been ahead of you about a half an
Speaker 3: hour and assault has started to activate and treat and
Speaker 3: you cross over to another plow route, where that plow
Speaker 3: might be on the other end of their route or
Speaker 3: back of the garagery filling with salt. That plow route
Speaker 3: might be covered over where you are, depending on if
Speaker 3: it's spelling still, so you can see those changes not
Speaker 3: just at a county or a political municipality boundary, but
Speaker 3: even at a plow route boundary as well.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, so when it changed, like wow, they just
Speaker 2: decided to stop right here. No, it's because jurisdiction. Is
Speaker 2: there a lot of communication between you guys in local
Speaker 2: municipalities accounties.
Speaker 3: There's not really too many opportunities for that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think they do stay in touch in some regards,
Speaker 3: but I mean to be able to say, hey, I'm
Speaker 3: going to put a plow at this spot, you put
Speaker 3: your plow at that same spot at the same time.
Speaker 3: That is really hard to do because you know, again,
Speaker 3: they're they're constantly everybody's constantly going out there, and then
Speaker 3: of course you've got to come back and refill with
Speaker 3: fuel and salt, and so somebody's got to take a
Speaker 3: bathroom break every once in a while. You're going to
Speaker 3: shift change. I mean, there's all kinds of reasons why
Speaker 3: it would be very hard to sync up every plow
Speaker 3: in the state of Ohio to make sure that you
Speaker 3: don't have any issues while you're driving. So that's why
Speaker 3: I should come to the front. Drivers pay extra attention
Speaker 3: to these conditions. You know, things can change very quickly,
Speaker 3: and that's why I mean, you should never be not
Speaker 3: paying attention to the road, but in conditions like this,
Speaker 3: it's even more important that you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because in a blank of an eye, right, you
Speaker 2: hit a little patch of icets, and it's not a
Speaker 2: guarantee that the roads are going to be completely clear.
Speaker 2: So just FYI, you still have to kind of pay
Speaker 2: attention to this stuff. So we have ten to twelve
Speaker 2: inches accumulations. We had that big storm late last year.
Speaker 2: Of course too, we're seeing ice build up, so we
Speaker 2: talked about what the strategy is going to be. We've
Speaker 2: got another what two weeks roughly of sub freezing temperatures forecast,
Speaker 2: what's the stockpile status for the salt, the calcim covernate,
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and we're going to make it through
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 3: So before this storm, we had about four hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty seven thousand tons of salt under roof at ODOP
Speaker 3: facilities across the state of Ohio. I don't have the
Speaker 3: new number yet for what we've been able to put
Speaker 3: down for this particular storm, but I'm sure we ate
Speaker 3: into that pretty well. The advantage that ODOT has maybe
Speaker 3: over other entities is the large storage capacity, you know,
Speaker 3: and the ability to move as resources around the state.
Speaker 3: If we really really burnt a pinch, so we begin
Speaker 3: the winner with about eight hundred thousand tons, and then
Speaker 3: throughout the winner we're using that stockpile. Now we can
Speaker 3: get refilled with additional resource is if we need to.
Speaker 3: We've got some contracts that we can leverage to try
Speaker 3: to get some salt from other areas if we absolutely
Speaker 3: we're in a pinch. I don't think we're going to
Speaker 3: be in a situation where we're going to be you know, well, guys,
Speaker 3: we're out of salt. Sorry, I can't do anything about it.
Speaker 3: Our folks in o DOT Central office that do the
Speaker 3: purchasing are really good at working with these suppliers to
Speaker 3: get things. But you know, we've got salt from Cleveland's Fairport.
Speaker 3: Those are the mines here in Ohio. We get salt
Speaker 3: from Ontario, we get salt from Louisiana. So we have
Speaker 3: options that we can leverage certainly if we need to.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good because you start hearing that going, wow,
Speaker 2: we're throwing a lot of salt done. Are we going
Speaker 2: to run out? Because we heard a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago there's a problem locally we had a municipality doing
Speaker 2: that and there couldn't treat the roads at all. So
Speaker 2: with all of this cold weather, all of the chemicals
Speaker 2: going down on the roadways, all the plot blades that
Speaker 2: are touching the forty three thousand miles plus the surfaces,
Speaker 2: are we going to have an especially bad pothole season
Speaker 2: coming up? Do you know that? Matt? Can you tell
Speaker 2: us how bad the pothole season will be in just
Speaker 2: a couple short months.
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you. When you get these very
Speaker 3: cold temperatures and you've got a lot of moisture on
Speaker 3: the you know, you know, snow, rain, all that moisture
Speaker 3: and stuff on the roadways, and that seeps down in
Speaker 3: those cracks and it's freezing in all these conditions. We
Speaker 3: get a nice little warm up, all of that's going
Speaker 3: to contract and melt, and I guarantee you're going to
Speaker 3: see a lot of potholes popping when we get a
Speaker 3: little bit of a warm up here. So yes, that's
Speaker 3: something that we're going to obviously need to be watching for.
Speaker 3: You know, pothole season for us is typically you know,
Speaker 3: February through about April or so. It's a little harder
Speaker 3: to address them because most of the asphalt plants that
Speaker 3: make the black top that we put down, they are
Speaker 3: not open in these colder temperatures, so you have to
Speaker 3: use a temporary patch to make those repairs, and those
Speaker 3: don't exactly last forever either, so it's a constant battle
Speaker 3: to keep up with those. It's kind of like a
Speaker 3: game of whack a mole almost literally, but you know, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: I would expect if we see some warmer temperatures, we'll
Speaker 3: get a big round of potholes. It'll be popping up
Speaker 3: all over the state of Ohio and.
Speaker 2: That we'll be complaining about that. Who's response for the breakdown?
Speaker 2: When when you see a vehicle on the side of
Speaker 2: the road, it's stranded, stuck whatever, you guys still have
Speaker 2: to plow. Who moves that stuff? Is it like a
Speaker 2: tow contractor you guys just push it all the way
Speaker 2: with a plow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of times we'll you know, we
Speaker 3: just wait for a tow truck to come and get
Speaker 3: back that we work with law enforcement to try to
Speaker 3: arrange those you know things. Obviously, law enforcement checks on
Speaker 3: those vehicles just to make sure it's not somebody that's
Speaker 3: in need of assistance. But yes, those would typically get
Speaker 3: towed off the side of the highway and not something
Speaker 3: we'd push around with the plow.
Speaker 2: I think that would be the next step. I mean,
Speaker 2: in a snow emergency. Really, I think that'd be a
Speaker 2: good like for the for the men and women who
Speaker 2: you know, drive the plow is like, well, okay, if
Speaker 2: occasionally once in a while I get to push a
Speaker 2: cart of the way, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I won't say it's probably never happened.
Speaker 3: I'm sure somewhere in a pinch that's happened. You know.
Speaker 3: We we've certainly used plows for emergency situations. I know
Speaker 3: you've probably seen the story today from over the weekend,
Speaker 3: our guy Joe Estes who was able to escort that
Speaker 3: ambulance Cincinnati Children's Hospital from over in Anderson Township, And
Speaker 3: what a great story that is. So yes, we have
Speaker 3: situations where certainly we get called into special duty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe ESEs making. I think that's the best feel
Speaker 2: good story of the bitterly cold and Snowmageddon that we
Speaker 2: just had. As Joe Esta, he's the plowd truck driver
Speaker 2: from Odd who paved the way for an ambulance to
Speaker 2: get from Anderson Township for a sick kid to Cincinnati children.
Speaker 2: How does that not warm you up on a cold
Speaker 2: day like this?
Speaker 3: And what a humble guy too. I mean, look, he was,
Speaker 3: you know, and I think he is a hero. And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would agree with me,
Speaker 3: but I think all of our pod drivers are heroes.
Speaker 3: But Joe has a special spot, you know for just
Speaker 3: jumping right in Justin Kimp, who's our manager there into
Speaker 3: Hamilton County Garage. He's right there with him. I think
Speaker 3: they're both heroes because when Justin got that phone call,
Speaker 3: he didn't as take He went straight to Joe and said, look,
Speaker 3: this is the mission we got to go and nobody,
Speaker 3: nobody blinked. They all just went and took action and
Speaker 3: got it done. And uh, that's that's just an emblematic
Speaker 3: of the amazing people that we have at the Higre Department.
Speaker 3: Of transportation. Uh, they just want to get the job done,
Speaker 3: and not just because they care about you know, their
Speaker 3: families who drive on these roads, but they care about
Speaker 3: everybody who's out there. And so yeah, it's a great story.
Speaker 3: I'm super proud of everybody involved in that situation, and
Speaker 3: I'm really glad that the uh that the baby's going
Speaker 3: to be able to do well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who made that call? Was it Children's?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 2: How did that wind up?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, the way I understand it is, uh, Cincinnati Children's
Speaker 3: their their transport team was trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: they were going to get the ambulance over to the
Speaker 3: hospital in those awful conditions. They made a phone call
Speaker 3: and ended up getting looped into our Hamilton County garage
Speaker 3: and just made the ask. And our folks absolutely were
Speaker 3: right on it, and yep, absolutely when you need us,
Speaker 3: where do you need us? Got it arranged. They were
Speaker 3: there in about twenty minutes from when I'm told, and
Speaker 3: met the ambulance and made the escort, picked up the
Speaker 3: child and brought it back to Cincinnati Children's Hospital where
Speaker 3: he's now getting some care. And it's a great story.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just be able to help out in
Speaker 3: situation like that, you know, had that not happened. Talking
Speaker 3: to the people of Cincinnati children, they certainly think they're
Speaker 3: you know, you know, who knows what the outcome they
Speaker 3: have done in that situation. We don't want to think
Speaker 3: about that. We're just glad that it worked out well
Speaker 3: and that we were able to play a role in that.
Speaker 2: That's an awesome story too. They saved the life of
Speaker 2: a baby bike applowing the way for the ambulance to
Speaker 2: get him. It's like from some sort of Hallmark movie.
Speaker 2: You know, Marty Breneman as a statue of his dead
Speaker 2: ass in front of Great American Ballpark. He's never saved
Speaker 2: a baby's life. Why don't we get something like that
Speaker 2: together for Joe asties. Maybe I don't know, some sort
Speaker 2: of a picture, a sculpture, something, and put it next
Speaker 2: to the salt them. What about the joe Asty salt
Speaker 2: them in Hamlin County. I'll get it named after him.
Speaker 2: Let's do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm all for it to that. Joe's a great guy.
Speaker 3: He's a great guy, and he would be the first
Speaker 3: to tell you we would not want to have a
Speaker 3: salt now named after him. But Danny and I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna with that suggestion to some ears.
Speaker 2: Will he wants to know if Joe Esty will plow
Speaker 2: the literally five hundred feet from his palatial estate here
Speaker 2: and ken Wood to the front door of the station
Speaker 2: so he can get to work on time.
Speaker 3: Today, I will ask, But I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 3: I assume Willy doesn't live on a state or US
Speaker 3: RU outside of a municipality. Maybe he does. That's where
Speaker 3: we that's where we could pick him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that probably that probably would not dissuade Willy
Speaker 2: from trying to get you to do that. What your
Speaker 2: jurisdiction is now, Matt Bruning, our buddy over at O Doc,
Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming on the show this morning.
Speaker 2: I appreciate. I'm glad you do him well.
Speaker 3: Back at you, sir.
Speaker 2: There you go, my former colleague, the legendary Matt Bruning
Speaker 2: on the show this morning. Hopefull your questions. Answer. We're
Speaker 2: looking good right now, just cold, Scott Sloan seven hundred
Speaker 2: ww yeah, that's the numbers only with you seven hundred
Speaker 2: WL dominator. Hope you're staying warm now. The real fun
Speaker 2: beginnings right two weeks in this two weeks get on
Speaker 2: that Southwest flight with the new seat maps can get
Speaker 2: your butt down to where it's warm, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: So dealing with the snow, our house got about thirteen inches,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more, I don't know, and we
Speaker 2: just moved to new house. So I'm ind this snowblower
Speaker 2: that I bought, it was a close out snowblowed torope
Speaker 2: back in the day. And I probably had this thing
Speaker 2: for fifteen years. And work's great, you know, gas fired
Speaker 2: up snow. But I'm not a big one. I think
Speaker 2: it's I don't even know. Was it twenty four inches
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. I don't know. Size doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's the user. It's the user, not the snowblower. And
Speaker 2: so obviously I have, you know, trying to keep up
Speaker 2: on the mechanics of the thing. I'm not in admittle,
Speaker 2: not a small engine or big engine guy for that matter.
Speaker 2: You know, I deal with like wood and stuff and
Speaker 2: plumbing and electrical, but not not that. But you don't
Speaker 2: know if I can figure it out. And so it
Speaker 2: started running rough. I think it was. I hadn't use
Speaker 2: it last year. I don't think the year before. It
Speaker 2: was not firing up at all and said, okay, I
Speaker 2: got to figure out what's going on here. And I
Speaker 2: found out it was okay, it needs a new carburetor.
Speaker 2: Oh man, how much does that cost? It was like
Speaker 2: twenty bucks online sending the kill carburetor. Like, I can
Speaker 2: figure this out, so you know, take the take all
Speaker 2: the thing apart to get in there. And you know
Speaker 2: it's a obviously it's a small engine. There's like a
Speaker 2: lot more or anything else. Like, I can figure this out.
Speaker 2: So I pleased myself. This is a couple months ago
Speaker 2: when the weather was warmer. See I playing ahead. I
Speaker 2: put the new carburetor in, I gas, I fired the thing.
Speaker 2: It was working great. So I'm like, you know, lube
Speaker 2: everything up, check, make sure the belt's still good. All
Speaker 2: that all right? That's good. This is good. So I
Speaker 2: fired this thing up. I'm ready to go for the
Speaker 2: big snowstorm. And it worked great for the last snowstorm.
Speaker 2: By the way, did my driveway, did a neighbor's driveway?
Speaker 2: Did a relative driveway? I was a snow blowing fool.
Speaker 2: So on Sunday, I get out there, fired this thing up.
Speaker 2: It's working great. Get about I don't know, four or
Speaker 2: five passes all of a sudden, the shoot the thing,
Speaker 2: you know, the thing on top where you turn it
Speaker 2: and it angles the snow away from the snowblower into
Speaker 2: a snow banker. If you don't like it, maybe your
Speaker 2: neighbor's driveway or the street or whatever. But you know
Speaker 2: it's got the shoot on top of it. The shoot
Speaker 2: just goes up in the air about a foot and
Speaker 2: then falls off the screws that hold it in. Apparently
Speaker 2: I don't rust it or whatever, but it just it
Speaker 2: was gone, like, oh my god. So now it's a
Speaker 2: snowblower and it's got a I don't know the circle
Speaker 2: where the round thing at the top where the snow
Speaker 2: would come out, and then through the shoot where you
Speaker 2: were directed. It's now shooting. I now have a snowblower volcano.
Speaker 2: By the way, this thing is firing snow, and because
Speaker 2: it's so deep it was snow I fired, so it
Speaker 2: had to be thirty something feet in the air. It
Speaker 2: was impressive. So instead of going, well it's broken, I
Speaker 2: can't do I figured out how do I use this
Speaker 2: to plow all that snow and angle it so that
Speaker 2: the wind whatever little breeze are espersonally was two when
Speaker 2: it's blowing it away from where I'm working, and I,
Speaker 2: after a couple I was able to figure that out.
Speaker 2: I was pretty proud of myself. So I will say,
Speaker 2: if you can take yours off, it throws a lot
Speaker 2: more snow. I will say that this thing was throwing
Speaker 2: snow thirty thirty feet in the air. It was crazy
Speaker 2: like treetop level, and I just had to look impressive
Speaker 2: from far away. And it was eating through the snow
Speaker 2: down in the street. In the street, it was up
Speaker 2: to the top of the snow blier a little bit
Speaker 2: over and it was just chewing through the stuff like
Speaker 2: it was nothing like, this is great. I could do
Speaker 2: the whole world with this thing, except I can't control
Speaker 2: where it's going. So some areas I had to go
Speaker 2: back with a shovel and skim it because a little
Speaker 2: light dub. But hey, you know, I got through it.
Speaker 2: I got through the snow stuff at the end of
Speaker 2: the driveway. I was rather happy about it. And then
Speaker 2: the second time I fired it up, the little primer
Speaker 2: ball if you know other thing you pushed three times
Speaker 2: to get the field to get the juice into the carburetor.
Speaker 2: That thing just disintegrate. So now I'm like, well, not,
Speaker 2: what am I gonna do? How am I going to
Speaker 2: prime this? So I had to get it out of
Speaker 2: my hands and knees and blow into the little hole
Speaker 2: where the palmer bolt to get to blow the gas
Speaker 2: into the to the engine of the carboard to get
Speaker 2: it started. So now I've got this snow volcano and
Speaker 2: I'm giving this thing CPR. At some point you go,
Speaker 2: you know what, I've rebuilt this thing enough over fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Probably need to get a new snow thrower. And we
Speaker 2: don't use it all that often here and since and
Speaker 2: if it's a couple of inches, I'll shovel it by hand.
Speaker 2: But you know, you get older, it's like, especially out
Speaker 2: of the driveway, it's nice to have. And so I
Speaker 2: was looking at the battery operated snow throwers, and I'm curious,
Speaker 2: if you have one of these things, does it work?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: I have other battery operated tools obviously on my handheld
Speaker 2: tools for remodeling and construction stuff. Those things weren't great.
Speaker 2: But it's much smaller battery and the life's impressive. I'm
Speaker 2: guessing that it's probably the same. I'm just the delivery
Speaker 2: about a and I don't want the one that you
Speaker 2: plug into the wall and carry the quart around. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that with a lawnmarer. I'm sure as hell
Speaker 2: not doing that with a snow thrower. It's just it's
Speaker 2: it's a bad look. I do like the sound of
Speaker 2: the gas engine firing up like a chainsaw. It's like, man,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm doing something now, right, where's battery?
Speaker 2: It's just completely quiet. I've seen people. My neighbor has
Speaker 2: a battery powered lawnmarch. Seems to work really well. I
Speaker 2: don't know about a snowthrower though. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: I'm ready for a battery operatition though, although the research
Speaker 2: I did online so far looking at them, they seem
Speaker 2: to work really well. Now, granted, this snowstorm we just
Speaker 2: had is a one off or maybe a side of
Speaker 2: things to common. Wo knows, we had two big snowstorms
Speaker 2: so far this year. We normally don't get that. If
Speaker 2: that's the future, I want to be prepared. My only
Speaker 2: question is how long do those batteries work. I have
Speaker 2: no problem in the battery thing. I'm just worried about,
Speaker 2: you know, the longevity of them. That's all. So I
Speaker 2: don't want to croak in when I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: to the end of the driveway. You don't start at
Speaker 2: the end of the driveway. That's the last thing you do.
Speaker 2: I need it to last the whole damn driveway, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Plus I like the idea of
Speaker 2: quite honestly, just pushing a button. Everything starts right up.
Speaker 2: It's just a you know, it's an electric motor as
Speaker 2: opposed to an engine, and engines take maintenance to take work.
Speaker 2: As I just pointed that out. So I do know
Speaker 2: DM me or something. Email me if you will let
Speaker 2: me know if you got one, if the thing works
Speaker 2: as can be expected. Otherwise I've gone back to gas
Speaker 2: fired one. The good old days. Yeah, the good old days.
Speaker 2: I will say this. My wife's on those you know,
Speaker 2: the neighbor of the Facebook neighborhood groups in your neighborhood,
Speaker 2: you probably have one, and I normally don't read those
Speaker 2: because it's just it's kind of like we have a
Speaker 2: ring doorbell, and if you read some of the ring
Speaker 2: doorbell comments, there's a coyote in our yard. Does anyone
Speaker 2: know what this is? It's a person walking like we
Speaker 2: live in the age of paranoia right now. Someone give
Speaker 2: it an order or knocked. Who do you think this is?
Speaker 2: I think it's a kid selling something. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It could be a Jehovah's witness, short
Speaker 2: sert sleeve, white white dress shirt, short sleeves. The only
Speaker 2: people I see wear white shirts with short sleeves, white
Speaker 2: dress shirts. Was saying, our Jehoah's witnesses. It's the official uniform.
Speaker 2: Like no one else in business wears one of those.
Speaker 2: You see someone a man walking with a black tie
Speaker 2: and a short sleeve dress shirt. Jehovah's witness, Jada right there,
Speaker 2: that's your guy, that's the pro, that's the man officer,
Speaker 2: the official uniform. Like, I'm pretty sure that's who it was.
Speaker 2: It was a coyote dressed as a Jehovah's witness. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you, Like, quit freaking out.
Speaker 2: Somebody walked across my Yeah, it happens. You're living in
Speaker 2: a neighborhood. Imagine before when you didn't have a camera,
Speaker 2: stuff happened all the time. You had no idea. Ignorance
Speaker 2: is bliss. Maybe that's just me, but it's is we
Speaker 2: look at this. I've done the conversation, the ring doorbells
Speaker 2: and electric snow throwers lovely. In the Facebook chat group,
Speaker 2: people are actually complaining that the plows left snow at
Speaker 2: the foot of the driveway, and someone wanted to know
Speaker 2: who they would call to have that remove Do I call?
Speaker 2: Do you call the city? The township? Where I like
Speaker 2: people are actually and I think it was a I
Speaker 2: saw something else because we're down a rabbit hole with this.
Speaker 2: As someone that called nine one one demanding that something
Speaker 2: he'd done about the snow at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: The plow left all the snow at the end of
Speaker 2: my driveway. I've got to get the work called nine
Speaker 2: one one, like, what do you want to do? Come
Speaker 2: shoot it. I'm gonna taste the snow. What do we
Speaker 2: do with it?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: It's up to you. And maybe it's just kind of
Speaker 2: the world we live. And I also, again I say
Speaker 2: this every time. I grew up in snow country, so
Speaker 2: kind of used to it. But yeah, when we get
Speaker 2: a foot or more snow, that's a lot of snow
Speaker 2: at the end of your driveway. The plow does not
Speaker 2: control the snow at the end of that's on you.
Speaker 2: They don't come and then go, oh, well, we left
Speaker 2: snow at the end of your driveway and then they
Speaker 2: would never get the snow cleared. If that were the case,
Speaker 2: you are responsible for the snow at there in a driveway.
Speaker 2: I had to break this sad news to my daughter recently, said, well, Dad,
Speaker 2: could you come over the snowblower. Yeah, it's up snow
Speaker 2: volcano and I'm not bringing it over there, and I'm
Speaker 2: not blowing into it to do your You're young, you
Speaker 2: can shovel, so she said, well, I might have to,
Speaker 2: I might miss work because my snow. I'm like, just
Speaker 2: go shovel the snow. I don't have a shovel. There's
Speaker 2: plenty of shovels in my workshop behind your house. Could
Speaker 2: just go grab one of those. Looking for me to
Speaker 2: come over and do the work. I ain't doing it. Hey,
Speaker 2: real quick on the electric snowblower thing ad in western hills.
Speaker 2: What do you got?
Speaker 1: Yeah? For what is worthless? Snow? Driveway about maybe seventy
Speaker 1: five feet long? Okay, dummy, me didn't get out the well,
Speaker 1: didn't notice you watching things of the evening, didn't see
Speaker 1: any snow. I'm down. Well, next thing you know, wake
Speaker 1: up next morning. You got ten inches, so only forty
Speaker 1: Bold systems. You look at it looks like a toy,
Speaker 1: but you got half of it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, so if you get one and you have that
Speaker 2: big a driveway, you should probably buy extra batteries.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seventy five feet long, all right, maybe ten wide
Speaker 1: with ten inches snowing and handled half of it.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. I mean, you know, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of Normally we get you know, two four inches, no
Speaker 2: big deal, but eight inches eight to ten inches of
Speaker 2: snow and it's seventy five or seventy five.
Speaker 1: That pretty good trick. Another trick, only take half a
Speaker 1: cut at the time, Okay, so you don't get all
Speaker 1: on it'll stall it out.
Speaker 2: Oh really okay, it's also good enough. So it sounds
Speaker 2: like you're steering me towards just sticking with my gull
Speaker 2: old gas one.
Speaker 1: Then well, gas is you know, as long as your
Speaker 1: fuel stable and fires up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sure. I've never had a PRIM put the
Speaker 2: stabilizer in. But hey, thanks for the call, man, I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Yeah. But again, you know, when you're always
Speaker 2: working on the thing, it's like every you got to,
Speaker 2: you know, clean it out. It seems like with the
Speaker 2: electric one you just put the battery right, put the
Speaker 2: I M I think I go in. I want to
Speaker 2: say I'm not gonna buy it anytime soon. I'm getting through,
Speaker 2: to believe me. With you know, blowing into the hole.
Speaker 2: Wait what that's a cut blowing into the primer ball
Speaker 2: that's missing. I can get a new primary ball. But
Speaker 2: at this point, it's throwing snow at the top of
Speaker 2: it's a it's a volcano mission snow volcano. And I
Speaker 2: got to give a CPR every time I started. That's
Speaker 2: my life. That's what I'm doing because I'm dumb that way.
Speaker 2: I'm dumb that way. News at about ten here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred W LW coming up at ten oh seven.
Speaker 2: He is local civil rights attorney Rob Lindeman. And I
Speaker 2: don't know about you after yesterday's discussion, and we'll get
Speaker 2: into this later ten thirty five me and you about
Speaker 2: what we're seeing in Minnesota, and I have seen in
Speaker 2: Minnesota so far. It feels like maybe a tipping point
Speaker 2: has happened when it comes to public protests and the government.
Speaker 2: And I bring this up because I'm just gonnask a
Speaker 2: bunch of questions about civil rights, Like Okay, he's in
Speaker 2: the only time. That's yesterday with my guest, and if
Speaker 2: you miss that, it was interesting conversation because she's very
Speaker 2: pro policing and basically said that the Ice did nothing
Speaker 2: wrong here, which I vehemently disagree with as someone who
Speaker 2: supports wholeheartedly law enforcement the military. And I don't have
Speaker 2: to give him my CV on that. If you listen
Speaker 2: to the show, I backed cops. But again, you got
Speaker 2: to do it with a reason. You just can't say, well,
Speaker 2: they can do whatever they want, because if you do that, well,
Speaker 2: that's what happens in Minnesota. I disagree that said, I
Speaker 2: think things are starting to change here because the news
Speaker 2: today investigators are now reviewing the body worn camera video
Speaker 2: from the officer perspective for the fatal shooting of Alex Pretty.
Speaker 2: They had multiple angles, multiple officers, and of course the
Speaker 2: citizen video too. Will they'll seem that together come up
Speaker 2: with a timeline and what went down. I think it's
Speaker 2: important too, because I think you will also get an
Speaker 2: idea what happened prior to the people on the streets recording.
Speaker 2: It seems like everyone's recording all the time out there,
Speaker 2: but you get differspective and I think, uh context more context,
Speaker 2: which is very much needed in this situation and situations
Speaker 2: like it. I think you'll agree. So yesterday said I,
Speaker 2: from what I saw, I'm totally against what happened with
Speaker 2: the shooting and PRESTI are pretty rather that said, I'm
Speaker 2: open to seeing new information that may exonerate the officers.
Speaker 2: I would say, if they had an information at a
Speaker 2: body camp as quick as Christy Gnome was out there
Speaker 2: to say that, you know, this is a domestic terrorist
Speaker 2: who's going to shoot cops, and clearly that wasn't the
Speaker 2: case that and also they had images of the gun
Speaker 2: that they took off the guy. Uh, I would I
Speaker 2: would say if this exonerated them in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 2: they would have already at leastaid video because they have
Speaker 2: already you know, we're gonna do an investigation. Why you
Speaker 2: already can't you already told us what the what the
Speaker 2: outcome is. It's like Terry Thigi all over again. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we we've we uh we fired her.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: But now we're a new investigation to find out why
Speaker 2: it sounds like the same thing in Minnesota and so yeah,
Speaker 2: different angles and things. I'd like to see that, but
Speaker 2: we'll see. They're going to analyze it and break it
Speaker 2: down and all that and review everything. But the fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is okay, so we got body camera.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for that to come out at this point.
Speaker 2: But I think what's interesting, and this is a tipping point,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, is you have a couple dozen Republican
Speaker 2: lawmakers now that are calling for investigations congressional testimony after
Speaker 2: this shooting. And I think early March they're going to
Speaker 2: bring Christy Noome in for a grilling on the Hill.
Speaker 2: It's not a majority of lilt of John Thune is
Speaker 2: preparing for a fight, and this has to do with appropriation,
Speaker 2: spill and everything else as well, but a number of
Speaker 2: Republicans are stepping up, going, yeah, what we saw is egregious.
Speaker 2: We're going to investigate this, and that's what Congress needs
Speaker 2: to do. There needs to be oversight in this whole thing.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that for the first year of Trump
Speaker 2: because Congress has really not done anything, very little other
Speaker 2: than shut things down. So on March third, there's going
Speaker 2: to be a Judiciary committee, and that is I believe
Speaker 2: Chuck Grassley of Iowa is a guy who chairs that,
Speaker 2: and he is a Republican and so maybe we'll get
Speaker 2: some answers to this. But it feels like, especially too
Speaker 2: with Walls in Trump having a conversation, according to what
Speaker 2: he posted on truth Social that we had a good conversation.
Speaker 2: We said and he agreed that they're going to pull down,
Speaker 2: and we're going to pull out the guy who's heading
Speaker 2: this thing up, and we're going to bring in our
Speaker 2: borders are and in addition to that, we're going to
Speaker 2: start pulling back some ICE agents from Minnesota. So it
Speaker 2: sounds like Trump does not want to raise the temperature further,
Speaker 2: which is unusual because normally he's like, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: to double down on this. Whether you think he's right
Speaker 2: or not, He's going to do what he wants. And
Speaker 2: this seems to be like, maybe we went too for
Speaker 2: maybe she went too far with this thing. Interesting. Interesting
Speaker 2: and also showing that I guess the folks up there
Speaker 2: are trying to maybe bring the temperatures down a notch.
Speaker 2: The Minnesota National Guard is out there and they were
Speaker 2: tasked and handed out coffee and donuts to anti ice
Speaker 2: protesters in Saint Paul to show them it was a
Speaker 2: demonstration of safety and security. So the guardsmen. By the way,
Speaker 2: we're reflective vests. Why well, because they wanted to make sure, Hey,
Speaker 2: you know, we're not Ice agents or we're not with
Speaker 2: these guys. I think that that's a lot going. Hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna okay, we're National guardsman. It's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2: How about we hand we can't have a bottle of
Speaker 2: water because it'd be frozen, but we're gonna have on
Speaker 2: hot coffee and donuts to the protesters. And we're also
Speaker 2: wearing different clothing than the ICE agents are, just to
Speaker 2: let you know we're we're not with them. We're the
Speaker 2: good guys, but we're a good or good guy if
Speaker 2: you will interesting times in which we live. We'll talk
Speaker 2: civil rights with Rob Leman, the civil rights attorney, and
Speaker 2: how this supplies. I mean, you know, I don't plan
Speaker 2: on protesting anything anytime soon. I reserve my right to
Speaker 2: do that. But what we saw in what we think
Speaker 2: the laws are maybe different than what are what the
Speaker 2: constitution says what we're allowed to do. Anyway, a lot
Speaker 2: of questions for not only just what pretty did, but
Speaker 2: also ICE agents as well. Will make sense of it.
Speaker 2: Next after a quick time out in news, traffic, weather,
Speaker 2: all that seconds away on the mother red seven hundred
Speaker 2: WW Cincinnati, We've gotta flown back on seven hundred w W.
Speaker 2: Of course, outside of these folding snow and now just
Speaker 2: the cold, the biggest story captivating us would be what's
Speaker 2: happening in Minnesota. So Trump and Waltz Governor Walls are
Speaker 2: now working together to solve the chaos up there. The
Speaker 2: President is sending borders our Tom homan In and recalling
Speaker 2: Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino, saying it also looks like
Speaker 2: they're going to pull a bunch of ice agents out
Speaker 2: of the state as well. It feels like a tipping
Speaker 2: point in this whole thing. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: I think it's tipping point because a couple dozen congressional
Speaker 2: Republicans have now called for investigations into the fatal shooting
Speaker 2: with Alex Pretty Dick Durbin. Senator Dick Durbin announced that
Speaker 2: Christine Omil appear before the Senate Judiciary coming up in March.
Speaker 2: Third answer tough questions. Pre you got protesters confronting ice,
Speaker 2: ice kicking indoors. The question is in these things, not
Speaker 2: that you're going to be on the streets protesting stuff,
Speaker 2: but where do your rights in Where does law enforcements
Speaker 2: rights begin? These two vent diagrams have overlapped for some time,
Speaker 2: but we're seeing a lot of what are perceived constitutional violations.
Speaker 2: But then again, how far can law enforcement go? And acting?
Speaker 2: The homeland on that is Rob Linman, and Rob is
Speaker 2: a civil rights attorney. I just had him on the
Speaker 2: show not long ago. He rerepped the family of Qwen
Speaker 2: Davier Hicks, who talked about that.
Speaker 4: Rob.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Good to have you.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Scott. Thanks, I'm happy to join you again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just jump in because you see this. We
Speaker 2: have spent a lot of time and we'll spend a
Speaker 2: lot of time talking about what we all saw versus
Speaker 2: what we're told by the government. I know what I saw.
Speaker 2: They're trying to tell me something different, Christy. No, let's
Speaker 2: just jump in because I think they're significant first, second
Speaker 2: and obviously fourteenth Amendment issues here, but the for relata
Speaker 2: to the first Amendment, the idea about recording government agents.
Speaker 2: We debated this a lot yesterday. So Alex Pretty is
Speaker 2: holding his phone recording federal officers. The confetation begins. He's
Speaker 2: got his phone up, he's got his hand up, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not being dangerous here, I'm just recording you. Now,
Speaker 2: granted he's in the street, they're conducting an operation. What
Speaker 2: is your right in that situation? We know you have
Speaker 2: a right to record law enforcement, but where does that
Speaker 2: right end relative to their safety and securing a seat.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll start by saying that I'm not licensed to
Speaker 4: practice law in Minnesota, so I can approach this only
Speaker 4: based on my experience attorneys.
Speaker 3: Here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: But I will say that the Cincinnati Police Department has
Speaker 4: a has a policy that they are trained on and
Speaker 4: that it governs their activities, which specifically say states that
Speaker 4: the department acknowledges that there is a First Amendment right
Speaker 4: to to record their activities when they are in public.
Speaker 4: You know, the the right to record is considered protected
Speaker 4: by the First Amendment as a you know, fundamentally, it's
Speaker 4: you know, the court is set over and over that
Speaker 4: really the media doesn't have any special rights that any
Speaker 4: citizen doesn't have. So if you're in public, you can
Speaker 4: be recorded, and the police are are subject to that
Speaker 4: same to that same protection. Now, where the line is,
Speaker 4: I think, is where the where a person where a
Speaker 4: person's activities somehow interfere with with law enforcement and some
Speaker 4: you know, and this case they were carrying out supposedly.
Speaker 4: I understand that the reason that that ice was there
Speaker 4: in the first place was that they were carry on
Speaker 4: and or they were looking for somebody specific, or they
Speaker 4: were trying to erect. So some departments have tried to
Speaker 4: establish physical guidelines. Is that line. Do you have to
Speaker 4: be ten feet away? Do you have to be twenty
Speaker 4: feet away? Do you have to be twenty five? If
Speaker 4: you know, that's difficult the courts. Courts have struggled to
Speaker 4: come down with the right answer, a specific answer to
Speaker 4: what's the right distance. But so long as a person
Speaker 4: is not physically interfering with an officer carrying out whatever
Speaker 4: they're doing, then that that right to that right to
Speaker 4: record is considered protected under the First Amendment.
Speaker 2: Based on what you saw, was mister pretty and violation
Speaker 2: of that too. I mean, you are on the street
Speaker 2: or conducting operation. Technically you're not allowed to be out
Speaker 2: on the street. But in a court, how would that apply?
Speaker 2: Who's right who's wrong?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 2: How far does that go? And were they in the
Speaker 2: right to push him back and out of the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it surely would have been I mean, if if
Speaker 4: if I'd been asked to analyze the state by the
Speaker 4: by his family, I think surely take the position that
Speaker 4: nothing he was doing was interfering with the with law
Speaker 4: enforcements duty that it appears, it appears to me that
Speaker 4: the arrest is taking place somewhere down somewhere down the
Speaker 4: road from where he's sitting, so his I wondered about
Speaker 4: that several times when I when I've watched this, this
Speaker 4: this interaction of the videos of it, is, what is
Speaker 4: that officer doing who comes back and engages with not
Speaker 4: just mister pretty, but there's another woman there, maybe two
Speaker 4: maybe two people who are there and they are behind
Speaker 4: a car there there. You know, he eventually gets them,
Speaker 4: pushes them, and he pushes the one woman down onto
Speaker 4: the ground. So I you know, it's this I will
Speaker 4: tell you as a civil rights lawyer, if this interaction
Speaker 4: had ended there, nobody had been shot, and they had
Speaker 4: just been pushed and sprayed with pepper spray there, we
Speaker 4: would have considered that a very questionable use of course,
Speaker 4: because it's not clear what he's He's not attempting to
Speaker 4: arrest them, Apparently they're not resisting in arrest, and they
Speaker 4: are far enough away from the encounter that they can't
Speaker 4: be said to be interfering with with with that arrest.
Speaker 4: So I would have been deeply concerned just then with
Speaker 4: with the with the fact that he chooses to use
Speaker 4: Papa spray on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's a mitigating cubumstance. Of course, that's the
Speaker 2: body camera video, which have started earlier than the citizen
Speaker 2: video that you talked about, Rob Lindeman, And I think
Speaker 2: that's got to be putt in the context as well.
Speaker 2: What happened leading up to that, Had there been a
Speaker 2: group of people around them, did they feel like I'm
Speaker 2: being threatened? So again we're still waiting for that. There's
Speaker 2: gotta be some context there, correct.
Speaker 4: I would I would agree, Yeah, sure, I'd love to
Speaker 4: I'd love to know that are is that video out?
Speaker 4: I have to see.
Speaker 2: No, I know that body camp but they even released it.
Speaker 2: But that tells me that like if it, if it
Speaker 2: exonerated the officers, they would have already released it, kind
Speaker 2: of like you know, well they took the gun off them,
Speaker 2: but we don't know if he a second gun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we do, because they would have said he had a
Speaker 2: second gun and shown that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sure, and you know that's another that's that's another
Speaker 4: thing here that is always that that feels to me
Speaker 4: like a real miss step by the by the management,
Speaker 4: by the leadership at ice, which is that they've they've
Speaker 4: they've taken a bunch of positions, they've made a bunch
Speaker 4: of representations and provided descriptions about what what they think happened.
Speaker 4: It feels like they've told us what conclusion they're going
Speaker 4: to come to before they have completed an investigation. And again,
Speaker 4: this is something that you know, most police departments have
Speaker 4: policies on this stuff. The Cincinnati Police Department has a
Speaker 4: specific provision in its in its Policy and Procedure Manual
Speaker 4: that says, in an officer involved shooting, no member of
Speaker 4: the investigation and no management is permitted to come out
Speaker 4: and give an opinion on what has happened before the
Speaker 4: before the people tasked with it are able to carry
Speaker 4: out and complete the investigation. I mean it just you know,
Speaker 4: there's an intuitive common sense to it. Don't show me
Speaker 4: what conclusion you're going to reach before you right.
Speaker 2: Right, And as I put out yesterday, it's like, if
Speaker 2: that happens a local jurisdiction normally go, hey, we can't
Speaker 2: investigate it. We are going to give it to Buera
Speaker 2: Criminal Investigation and ah BCI takes it over in Ohio
Speaker 2: and they investigate and say, okay, well there's almost a
Speaker 2: propriety there here. It's like, well, we're going to investigate it.
Speaker 2: After Christy Domes said that this was a domestic terrorist.
Speaker 2: So they're fighting for their lives. It sounds like you
Speaker 2: already ruled, made a ruling before you investigated. So we're
Speaker 2: back to that again, kind of like the Teresa Thiji
Speaker 2: firing here in Cincinnati. Rob let me pivt. By the way,
Speaker 2: Rob Lindman on the show, he civil rights attorney, were
Speaker 2: talking about what the right, what citizen's rights are, particularly
Speaker 2: what's going on in Minnesota right there. Let me pivot
Speaker 2: to the Second Amendment here. So Preddy was a lawful
Speaker 2: gun owner. He had a valid valid that carry permit Minnesota,
Speaker 2: had two magazines on him and the gun, and yet
Speaker 2: was shot by federal agents who claimed he resisted attempts
Speaker 2: to disarm him, despite the video showing you never brandished
Speaker 2: or reacher his weapon. What Second Amendment protections exist for
Speaker 2: lawful gun carriers when they encounter that.
Speaker 4: I think he was the Minnesota has a statutory has
Speaker 4: a statutory scheme. You do have to have a permit.
Speaker 4: It's not an open or what we call a constitutional
Speaker 4: carry state like Ohio, but it is. It has a
Speaker 4: very simple permitting scheme, and it permits if you if
Speaker 4: you have a permit. There's no reason why you can't
Speaker 4: carry a weapon, a concealed weapon, And there's no specific
Speaker 4: application to attending a protest that the statements that have
Speaker 4: come out which have attempted to link at put some
Speaker 4: limitation on on on the right to carry arms out
Speaker 4: of protest or I don't know the legal basis one,
Speaker 4: but let's put it that way. The Second Amendment applies,
Speaker 4: and in many over the years, lots of protesters have
Speaker 4: made a point to carry weapons openly at protests. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: and and and that there's never been much of us
Speaker 4: much much of an argument that that right doesn't apply.
Speaker 4: There's no, there's no I'm not aware of any law
Speaker 4: that attempts to restrict it. And in Minnesota is really
Speaker 4: really not any different. I mean there that is even
Speaker 4: a that that is a somewhat tightly regulated state, certainly
Speaker 4: compared to Ohio, and that regulation doesn't exist. So it
Speaker 4: strikes me this is another issue where the the leadership
Speaker 4: at ice and seems to have gotten out over their
Speaker 4: skis a little bit here. I mean, you have you
Speaker 4: have people like I mean the cash catel Is specifically
Speaker 4: said that car that people don't have the right to
Speaker 4: carry weapons to a protest. There's a there's a US attorney,
Speaker 4: an assistant US attorney out of California who made a
Speaker 4: similar statement. And it strikes me that they are sending
Speaker 4: themselves up on a bought position that is just not
Speaker 4: legally supported, especially with this.
Speaker 2: It doesn't know what the law is, doesn't know what
Speaker 2: the constitution says. And you know, I'd agree with you
Speaker 2: on this. And rub leniment is that no, We've seen
Speaker 2: how we had the protest after the Clan thing over
Speaker 2: seventy five in Lincoln Heights and protesters are out there
Speaker 2: counter protesters, I guess as well as clients. They had
Speaker 2: weapons on them and around law enforcement. That was fine.
Speaker 2: We had the Black Lives Matter protests. People were doing
Speaker 2: that at the Capitol and they were armed when they
Speaker 2: were protesting, and you know, law enforcement didn't flinch because
Speaker 2: you're allowed to carry it under what CONSTI authority can
Speaker 2: the agents take a gun off of citizen who's lawfully
Speaker 2: and legally carrying it to permit, not brandishing the weapon,
Speaker 2: not threatening anyone with the weapon. We saw that in
Speaker 2: this video. Isn't that then a state of a de
Speaker 2: facto of prohibition on the Second Amendment?
Speaker 4: Typically what you find was a police officer who has
Speaker 4: just conducting an otherwise reasonable stop has the right to
Speaker 4: ensure that everybody's safe. But the really, frankly, it's a
Speaker 4: this is an area of tension. The right to demonstrate
Speaker 4: versus the right of a police officer to be safe
Speaker 4: are sometimes thought to be in conflict. In fact, you
Speaker 4: see the police department and civil libertarians are often at
Speaker 4: odds on the issues of gun control, right even even
Speaker 4: very you know, we consider police police population. You know,
Speaker 4: police officers themselves to typically be pretty conservative, but they
Speaker 4: are the ones often are not don't have views that
Speaker 4: are less conservative on the issue of gun control because
Speaker 4: of the issue of police safety. But I think you're
Speaker 4: right that there is not a police officer Lincoln and arrest.
Speaker 4: There's very little questions that if if there's grounds for
Speaker 4: an arrest in the first place, that person can be
Speaker 4: can be disarmed into into that arrest or even you,
Speaker 4: or even one. I think the position that they would
Speaker 4: take here, that that ICE would take is that during
Speaker 4: the core of what might be a brief investigatory stop,
Speaker 4: the first question the officer is always going to ask you.
Speaker 3: Is are you know?
Speaker 4: Are you carrying any weapons? Are you do you carry
Speaker 4: any contraband? But that always requires a basic ground, the
Speaker 4: basic reason why the officers conducting the investigatory stop in
Speaker 4: the first place, and back to the year, back to
Speaker 4: where you started here. The fact that somebody assuming you
Speaker 4: is not grounds for it does not provide reasonable articulable
Speaker 4: grounds for a police officer to stop up site them
Speaker 4: to make a to do something in the first.
Speaker 2: Place, because you're exercising a fundamental constitial right and that's
Speaker 2: one and two. At the same time, you're filming and
Speaker 2: exercise your Second Amendment right to carry. It's interesting we
Speaker 2: got some feedback on this. Yes're a pushback anyway from
Speaker 2: people who think that the ICE was responsible and it
Speaker 2: was the fall of pretty in this thing, which I
Speaker 2: disagree with. After you watch these videos, and again we
Speaker 2: will see what the bodycam video shows if and when
Speaker 2: they release that. But I thought it interesting that that
Speaker 2: so you're saying, is that, well, pretty had a gun
Speaker 2: on him, you should tell law enforcement you have a
Speaker 2: gune on you for their own safety and security. Yet
Speaker 2: I wonder how many the same people who believe that
Speaker 2: in the Predy case were vehemently supporting Ohio when we
Speaker 2: ruled that out when it came to the Second Amendment
Speaker 2: here in Ohio and saying no, you don't have to
Speaker 2: tell a police officer if you're pulled over, if you
Speaker 2: have a weapon on you, you can't argue forward and
Speaker 2: against it when it can when it's convenient for you.
Speaker 4: I think i'd agree. Look, there's this is there are
Speaker 4: strange the sides are not clear here, It's not clear
Speaker 4: who would be on which side at the end of this.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we go back to we go back
Speaker 4: to Kyle Rittenhouse and back in the being on the
Speaker 4: black and the Black Lives Matter Protestant people that that
Speaker 4: drew a lot of the same that raised a bunch
Speaker 4: of the same issues. I mean, Kyle Rittenhouse was I
Speaker 4: think that he was underaged. He was He'd trust eight
Speaker 4: lines with a with a with a weapon, so one
Speaker 4: could argue that he didn't have a lawful A lot
Speaker 4: he wasn't allowed in the first place, but he was.
Speaker 4: It was. It was it was violating interstate carry loss
Speaker 4: for a mind or by showing up with a gun.
Speaker 4: But that that prohibition doesn't just doesn't enter here. This
Speaker 4: isn't This is an adult on the streets. And by
Speaker 4: the way, you know this is an area. I'm not
Speaker 4: really a gun I don't have a great field of
Speaker 4: expertise and the handling of guns. But what I've what
Speaker 4: I've read is, you know, to carry an extra magazine
Speaker 4: or two even is standard can feel chara tactics, you know.
Speaker 4: And I would know that the most police officers, the
Speaker 4: cinematic police officers, when they leaves every day, they carry
Speaker 4: a hand gun and they carry a couple extra magazines.
Speaker 4: So the fact that he's carrying extra magazine says no
Speaker 4: particularly raise concerns for me about about his motives or
Speaker 4: now you have.
Speaker 2: To ask him. But he's dead, So why are you
Speaker 2: carrying two magazine? And I don't know why that people
Speaker 2: would be upset with that, don't you know? I often
Speaker 2: don't if I care, I'm not carrying an extra mag
Speaker 2: But no idea. He was afraid of the things getting
Speaker 2: out of control and with rioting and wanted to get
Speaker 2: out of the protest and record, but want to get
Speaker 2: out of there with his life. You don't blame the guy. Also,
Speaker 2: I you know, we mentioned the first second Amendment, but
Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment applies here, which as has to do
Speaker 2: with equal protection and due process when an agent kills
Speaker 2: the citizens we saw with Pratty and Minnesota, and then
Speaker 2: right away they characterize him as a domestic terrorist who
Speaker 2: is planning to inflict maximum damage and provide no evidence
Speaker 2: despite what we saw or even independent investigation. Did Christinome
Speaker 2: kind of put her toe into a due process violation
Speaker 2: in that regard to because like you said, you know,
Speaker 2: she made her mind up before any evidence came out. Uh,
Speaker 2: And it seems like it's flying the frase of what
Speaker 2: we what what the facts might be in this particular case.
Speaker 2: Is that a do process violation?
Speaker 4: Seems like well, I think I think it's simpler than
Speaker 4: that probably. I mean, the basics of you know, the
Speaker 4: state of Minnesota has original jurisdiction over any criminal conduct
Speaker 4: that happens in It's within its borders, right, and so
Speaker 4: they're the state of Minnesota, a prosecutor in Minnesota in
Speaker 4: that in Minneapolis will have jurisdiction to bring whatever criminal
Speaker 4: prosecution might apply here if the determination is made that
Speaker 4: this was an unlawful an unlawful killing of whatever of
Speaker 4: whatever respect. There's the Minnesota there is no statute of
Speaker 4: limitation for a for a wrongful killing in the state
Speaker 4: of Minnesota, so that the I'm sure the prosecutors in
Speaker 4: Minnesota are looking hard at this, and that's one of
Speaker 4: the reasons why they would have wanted to participate in
Speaker 4: in the investigation here.
Speaker 3: It's very it really not uh.
Speaker 4: Well, the federal the federal government of course has its
Speaker 4: own right to investigate this more as soon. But usually
Speaker 4: you don't think of the of the federal government enforcing
Speaker 4: things like murder. That's that that is typically unless it's
Speaker 4: unless it's tied up in some kind of federal federal crime,
Speaker 4: which is which is typically an interstate crime that is
Speaker 4: crossing line that the government official responsible for imposing that
Speaker 4: law is the state. So that's that's where you would
Speaker 4: expect that to lie. Here.
Speaker 2: This rob feels like a tipping point to me in
Speaker 2: that Trump is talking to Waltz and they agreed on
Speaker 2: some things. They're going to take some ICE agents out there,
Speaker 2: they're pulling the border. Bring the borders are in, get
Speaker 2: rid of the other guys getting out of there. You
Speaker 2: have Republican lawmakers by the dozens now defending pretty uh.
Speaker 2: And so I look at this going is this is
Speaker 2: this finally the turning point? Here we go? Okay with?
Speaker 2: This is a line too far? And if so, it's
Speaker 2: a long time coming. So I don't know what all
Speaker 2: this means and what this means in the coming weeks.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this story goes away or not.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess not unless something else happened. But it
Speaker 2: feels like, okay with this isn't a tipping point, you.
Speaker 4: Know, we can have we can only hope. So this
Speaker 4: is really posed. This this, this debate over over an
Speaker 4: immigration enforcement has posed a series of uh of conflict.
Speaker 4: They really haven't been explored deeply, you know. So maybe
Speaker 4: back to the Civil War, back to literally the you know,
Speaker 4: the state, the state actors seeing the law one way
Speaker 4: and seeing their rights to within their own jurisdiction is
Speaker 4: one way, whereas where the where the federal authorities are
Speaker 4: coming in and attempting to do something different. The whole
Speaker 4: the entire question about who's what what limits there are
Speaker 4: on federal power on uh, really our posts sharply here,
Speaker 4: So I think you're right, I will be. I'm it's
Speaker 4: really a shame that that it came to this, that
Speaker 4: that it is this event that has brought those that
Speaker 4: has brought the party that that has maybe brought people
Speaker 4: together here to look at what is what is the
Speaker 4: what is the right compromise? Was the right balance there?
Speaker 4: But I feel the same way you do that hopefully
Speaker 4: things have turned here.
Speaker 2: Rob Lineman is a promised civil rights attorney here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for laying it out for us and
Speaker 2: where your rights begin and end, although that's always in
Speaker 2: flux in this great country. Guars, Rob, all the best.
Speaker 2: Thanks are jumping on smart Go.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Take care. We'll do news update one return and we'll
Speaker 2: talk this one out just me and you. This morning.
Speaker 2: You heard all this stuff going uh as I was
Speaker 2: maybe more evidence, but I think the lack of new
Speaker 2: evidence coming out is pretty telling myself. We'll talk about
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Speaker 2: that is something we saw that usher Trump in office
Speaker 2: the last two terms is missing and it's a flag.
Speaker 2: Do you know a flag? I'm talking about, and I
Speaker 2: think it applies here. We'll get into that right after
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Speaker 2: That's how we roll here, That's how we roll. I
Speaker 2: was just talking to a Robert linemann Esquire. He's a
Speaker 2: civil rights attorney in town. And what prosecutors Aaron prosecute,
Speaker 2: what protesters and the ice slash police are led to
Speaker 2: do and can't do. I think it's a good check
Speaker 2: up on our civil rights or constitutional amendments, and specifically
Speaker 2: the Bill rights. On top of my hat, I thought
Speaker 2: of one, two, and fourteen would be the big ones here.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was thinking of this driving in
Speaker 2: this morning because we had great conversations yesterday morning about
Speaker 2: this is I'm just curious for and I was just,
Speaker 2: you know, safe to say. I think most people who
Speaker 2: will listening to the show or listening to radio station
Speaker 2: probably voted or support Trump and Republicans right, And I
Speaker 2: like to play not both sides against the middle. But
Speaker 2: I my personal view political view is I'm more libertarian,
Speaker 2: and I don't fully identify as libertarian because there's some
Speaker 2: issues I have. I am an enigma. I guess in
Speaker 2: my own sense, and I know what I see and
Speaker 2: I know what I like, and I know I care
Speaker 2: for and I want less government in my life because
Speaker 2: I've seen it both ways. And you know, the government
Speaker 2: gets involved in something, it just makes things worse. And
Speaker 2: I know that's kind of old school, you know, old
Speaker 2: neo con kind of stuff, but there's I think there's
Speaker 2: truth to that and we're seeing it. And I asked
Speaker 2: this question of you, if you're a huge MAGA or
Speaker 2: Trump supporter, and I'm just curious, and this isn't just
Speaker 2: Minnesota's everything else, would you be defending these policies if
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris won the election. You going, well, this is different.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't be slowan, you're so stupid. They wouldn't be
Speaker 2: out there doing this, they'd be supporting ice protest. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no. The concern prior to this last election was,
Speaker 2: and we hear it every time that you know, democratic
Speaker 2: candidate comes along kind of like you hear from liberal
Speaker 2: liberal progressives about how, oh my god, you know so
Speaker 2: and so fill in the blank, Republican equals Nazi, and
Speaker 2: it's simply not true. The other side, you hear from conservatives,
Speaker 2: conservative Republicans says, well, this present of this candidate Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, they're building a police state and
Speaker 2: ultimately what's going to happen is they're going to wage
Speaker 2: war against Christian conservatives. They're going to go after gun owners.
Speaker 2: They're taking our guns away. Of course that's not true.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah that liberals tend to want to push
Speaker 2: more gun legislations the fact, but no one's rounding the
Speaker 2: I remember when you know, Bamba was Toad, there was
Speaker 2: the rumor spreading about, you know, there was a bullet
Speaker 2: shortage because of this stuff, and you know he didn't
Speaker 2: he didn't ban bullets. I prefer a conservative in office
Speaker 2: when it comes to my Second Amendment rights, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: But I look at this thing and go, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if Kamala Harris, what would be different? So you know,
Speaker 2: they would she be going at when we see protests
Speaker 2: in the streets because she's going after Christian conservatives and
Speaker 2: gun owners. And if you were taking up arms against
Speaker 2: the government against tyranny. Isn't this what we're seeing right now?
Speaker 2: Or at least that's the perception of the people in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: I guess the best way to look at it is
Speaker 2: prior to the twenty twenty election, and prior to this election.
Speaker 2: You know, we saw a lot of it. I don't
Speaker 2: see much of them anymore. And if you had one,
Speaker 2: I'm come curious to know where is it. And I'm
Speaker 2: talking about the Gadsden flag that don't tread on me flag.
Speaker 2: You saw a lot of that at the rallies and
Speaker 2: you know Trump's speaking and don't tread on me and
Speaker 2: the shirts I saw bumper stickat. I don't see many
Speaker 2: tread on don't tread on me flags anymore. I know,
Speaker 2: because it's cold, maybe you put them away. I'm not
Speaker 2: quite sure, but here's the problem. You're right, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be consistent if you believe that in the
Speaker 2: whole idea of the Gadsden flag and don't treat on
Speaker 2: me is hey, listen, civil liberties. You know what I
Speaker 2: want a limited government, And of course under Biden we
Speaker 2: saw an expanded government. But under Trump we've also seen
Speaker 2: an expanded government. You know, top of my hat, I
Speaker 2: can go, well, it's not just the Minnesota thing, but
Speaker 2: you know, the idea that you can force Intel to
Speaker 2: sell shares the government government controlled companies is literally the
Speaker 2: definition of socialism. Is it different that Trump's doing it
Speaker 2: instead of Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, because we shouldn't
Speaker 2: be looking at it going, oh, that's a great thing. No,
Speaker 2: it's not in the scope of it too. We're talking
Speaker 2: about captain credit card interest rates. But if Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: did that or the two thousand dollars dividend check, Biden
Speaker 2: did that with student loans and we were all pissed
Speaker 2: off about that more subsidy. But wait a minute, we're
Speaker 2: taking the tear iff money that's costing it. We're paying
Speaker 2: for more because of terrorists. And now we're going to
Speaker 2: get the money back in a sub so our farmers
Speaker 2: for that matter, it's more the same thing. And I
Speaker 2: look at it going if the other side we're doing this,
Speaker 2: would it be different? And I have to say, no,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't it be the same thing. And I know
Speaker 2: what's troubling now, especially in Minnesota is and I had
Speaker 2: a lady on yesterday, Betsy Brentner Smith front of the show,
Speaker 2: she is with the National Police Association on at nine
Speaker 2: o'clock and we went head to head on this thing,
Speaker 2: and she said, you know, basically what they're doing is okay.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if I agree with that. Man,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't listen. Then that's probably pretty scary
Speaker 2: to think that someone would listen to Christy Nomes press
Speaker 2: conference about how this is a domestic terrorist and was
Speaker 2: there to kill cops and believe that and then if
Speaker 2: you saw the video you went, yeah, that's what was happening.
Speaker 2: We've lost our ability, I think, to be to make
Speaker 2: our own minds up. I think we would rather follow
Speaker 2: the lead. And it's true. It's like, you know, I
Speaker 2: mentioned that politics has become like religion. You know, you
Speaker 2: may have questions about your faith, your religion, and that's
Speaker 2: why I got out of the business being Catholic. Well,
Speaker 2: largely it had to do with a bunch of things,
Speaker 2: and the least of which, of course, is the abuse
Speaker 2: stuff that they kept covering up. I said, I can't
Speaker 2: that's not religion to me, that's a cult. If you
Speaker 2: fully believe that. Oh no, no, no, people are just
Speaker 2: making this up and be no. It's like you have
Speaker 2: to be a little bit skeptical and judgmental. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you can't support your religion, but when you just
Speaker 2: simply turn your eye to atrocities, I can't support that.
Speaker 2: That just me my personal abuse. The same thing here.
Speaker 2: It's like, I know what I saw, and I'm willing
Speaker 2: to change my view on it if and when we
Speaker 2: see the video from the body cans and what this guy,
Speaker 2: this pretty guy did or said or what his actions were,
Speaker 2: and maybe we didn't see it in the citizen video.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to hear more of it.
Speaker 2: But if I were to make my matter right now,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this going, this is bad. There's no
Speaker 2: reason to shoot this guy. Well, he had a gun
Speaker 2: on him, yeah, but he wasn't brandishing the gun. He
Speaker 2: wasn't reaching for the gun. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: before they took him down, he had a cell phone,
Speaker 2: his camera out and his hand up like, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: not a threat to you. I don't have my hand
Speaker 2: in my pocket or anything like that. There's no reason
Speaker 2: to do that. And then you know, the pumbling started.
Speaker 2: Pull somebody pulls a gun off and then he gets shot.
Speaker 2: Like well, he might have had a second gun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if he had a second gun, they already
Speaker 2: would have shown it. They showed the first gun. Whether
Speaker 2: they're going to wait to drop the second gun tomorrow,
Speaker 2: Like no, they would have said he had another gun
Speaker 2: on and was going to shoot an officer. Which if
Speaker 2: you're doing that and you're trying to reach out your weapon,
Speaker 2: you deserve to get shot. That's where got you haven't
Speaker 2: gun on you and you try to reach short when
Speaker 2: a cop is or in this case, an ice agent,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get shot. But that didn't happen in this case.
Speaker 2: And I think we just just kind of got to
Speaker 2: be consistent in this whole thing. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: of consistency out there, so you know, curious and I'm
Speaker 2: sure no one's going to admit this, but if you
Speaker 2: and all that, hey, don't tread on me. I want
Speaker 2: the government on. I want less government. Well this feels
Speaker 2: like it's like the same, if not morning level governm
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I mentioned some of the
Speaker 2: non Minnesota things, but this latest example is, yeah, when
Speaker 2: you got ICE agents not granted, you know there are
Speaker 2: people out there that are here illegally. I think if
Speaker 2: you're here illegally and you're committing crimes. Now, the guy
Speaker 2: that they were rounding up, he had it coming. He
Speaker 2: was what a domestic abuser, I believe not a high crime,
Speaker 2: and mismeet against the state was a conspiracy. But still,
Speaker 2: you know you're beating the hell out of people are
Speaker 2: here illegally, even i'd be showing the door. I support
Speaker 2: that in turning it around on the protesters, like everyone there,
Speaker 2: everyone ICE is rounding up, you're trying to stop them
Speaker 2: from doing it. Well, what if it's a person who,
Speaker 2: if you left unchecked, would go and rape your daughter
Speaker 2: or your wife or I don't know, go and he's
Speaker 2: an arsonist, right, burn your house down. Well that's different. No,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. Like I think you also got
Speaker 2: to look at it going. Are they getting people? Are
Speaker 2: there picking up people who should be arrested.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: The problem though, of course, is that some of the
Speaker 2: people they are and I don't know what the percentages aren't.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're just doing this and kicking doors
Speaker 2: in with no warrant, by the way, just to simply
Speaker 2: get someone who's in this country illegally, that is that
Speaker 2: that seems to be an an extreme use of force,
Speaker 2: Like that's what this isn't about. We're told, hey, when
Speaker 2: we do this, we're going after the really bad people,
Speaker 2: the criminals, you know, MS thirteen, all the other the
Speaker 2: gang members. Okay, great, but now it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: guy at home depot who's been here in the country
Speaker 2: for ten or fifteen years, making money, paying taxes as
Speaker 2: a family, like, you know, snatching him up and deporting
Speaker 2: that doesn't make a lot of sense kids and everything else.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like, if you just did this
Speaker 2: in the context of what we've told us, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people would be And to my point,
Speaker 2: if you look at the numbers on immigration and enforcement,
Speaker 2: that Trump Trump was killing everybody and that was like
Speaker 2: one of the high one of the very few things
Speaker 2: he wasn't upside down on the polling, and now he's
Speaker 2: even lost him on that. So I think it goes
Speaker 2: show most people are most people are moderate in their
Speaker 2: views and go listen. I get what you're doing, but
Speaker 2: you can't go too far, you know, not having a
Speaker 2: warrant and knocking a door and you're an agency, you're not.
Speaker 2: You don't have a you don't have a court order
Speaker 2: for this. You can't simply do that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: If you're chasing somebody down the street, and maybe there's
Speaker 2: probable cause, it's one thing, but I don't know, smashing
Speaker 2: down doors, that's that' civil rights, you know, And it
Speaker 2: doesn't make you soft on immigration and saying well you
Speaker 2: just want that, you just want these illegals here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just simply can't round them up that way. We
Speaker 2: had horrible policies relative to immigration for the history of
Speaker 2: this country up until it's become an issue now. I'll
Speaker 2: remember when I think the first Bush was president and
Speaker 2: I was down in southern Texas and people are literally
Speaker 2: just walking across the border. I mean that was pretty
Speaker 2: conservative President George W. Bush Bush forty one. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: what's changed. We realize that there's drugs and crime and
Speaker 2: everything else coming in this country, and we've got to
Speaker 2: do something to make sure that we close the borders off. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: we were doing that. It's working really well, even without
Speaker 2: a wall, which I thought was a bad idea. So
Speaker 2: the policies are working, but it seems a lot of
Speaker 2: cases punching down. So the idea here that you know,
Speaker 2: you're allowed to be according to the civil right, you're
Speaker 2: allowed to be out in the street, you're allowed to video.
Speaker 2: If that leads to this shooting of pretty I just
Speaker 2: I look, I have a hard time going wow, that
Speaker 2: was a good shoot. That was justified. And I would
Speaker 2: say that most all the cases, whether it's ice or
Speaker 2: regular old police, I see him and I go, well,
Speaker 2: that's kind of what you get. You know, you had
Speaker 2: it coming because you're resisting, or you're showing force, or
Speaker 2: you're not showing your hands, and the officer's worried about
Speaker 2: his safety.
Speaker 4: That this was not that.
Speaker 2: You know, you instantly had five guys on him, and
Speaker 2: you know, instead of de escalating, you walked down and
Speaker 2: you shoved the guy. Now you know they's say he
Speaker 2: assaulted the officer. I mean he put his hand up
Speaker 2: because he's falling backwards, and then that woman you got
Speaker 2: pepper spray and a whole bunch of other stuff. I've
Speaker 2: never been pepper sprayed. I'm trying to go through life
Speaker 2: without being pepper sprayed or taste. And I go through
Speaker 2: life and go, yeah, I imagine that sucks. And you're
Speaker 2: probably grasping for things because you can't see, and then
Speaker 2: you're being shoved back at the same time. So like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like that wasn't the escalation. That
Speaker 2: was escalation, and he had a bunch officers on him instantly,
Speaker 2: and you know, they pull a gun out and then
Speaker 2: shoot the guy. It was up to that point like, okay,
Speaker 2: you could probably solve this in court, but once you
Speaker 2: shoot someone and kill them, there's no solving that in court.
Speaker 2: And I think most Americans are now, even Republicans are.
Speaker 2: A couple dozen Republicans are saying, hey, we got to
Speaker 2: investigate this. Good, it's about time would say this. I
Speaker 2: think that this, sadly, the death of this man, Alex
Speaker 2: pretty is a turning point for this whole thing. It's like,
Speaker 2: maybe we do start paying attention to going, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: just because it's the team I support doesn't mean they're
Speaker 2: always right. And I don't know why that's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we can't say that. I don't
Speaker 2: know why we can't admit and listen. I support him
Speaker 2: because they have good ideas and forcing law, whole bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff. But some stuff goes over the line, and
Speaker 2: this is one of the things that went over the line.
Speaker 2: In my opinion. Doesn't throw everything out that happens as
Speaker 2: good as a way. But you know, you've got to
Speaker 2: draw a line somewhere. You just simply can't like religion
Speaker 2: or sports going I my team winner. Hell, we're more
Speaker 2: critical of sports. Look what we do with the Bengals.
Speaker 2: We want the Bengals to win and go to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Yeah, but look how we tear them apart
Speaker 2: when they lose. We don't do that with our politicians.
Speaker 2: And these people work for us, and especially so much
Speaker 2: so if you voted for them. Just saying we got
Speaker 2: a news update here in just minutes on seven hundred WLW,
Speaker 2: we are heading into a new area here. We had
Speaker 2: the heavy snowfall and now we have the very cool temperatures,
Speaker 2: meaning we are inside for the duration, and so we're
Speaker 2: inside more we're in dry environments. What does that mean
Speaker 2: cold flu RSV rates start to spread, maybe even COVID
Speaker 2: a little bit too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Check in with doctor Stephen Vegan's doctor. Stephen is the
Speaker 2: director of Hamlet. He's a medical director for Hamlin count
Speaker 2: the Health Department, and we'll talk about the local flu
Speaker 2: outlook and so much more coming up at eleven oh
Speaker 2: seven right after news update, and then we close things
Speaker 2: out with Andy Shaffer from all Worth and how this
Speaker 2: is impact in the markets, which are looking pretty good today.
Speaker 2: I think we're up, Nastac's up a couple hundred points today,
Speaker 2: so it's definitely a good starting. Despite what we hear
Speaker 2: about all these problems in America and the tariffs and
Speaker 2: everything else, you know, buy and large, the markets have
Speaker 2: figured this out like, Okay, it's just noise. Every day
Speaker 2: there's going to be something new and we just won't
Speaker 2: pay attention to it. We probably need to be more
Speaker 2: like Wall Street in that sense as you look at it, go, yeah,
Speaker 2: are they freaking out over stuff?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, should we be freaking out?
Speaker 3: Yah?
Speaker 2: Probably not, because they they're not fedist. You know, they're
Speaker 2: not paying attention to the steady diet of doom, scrolling
Speaker 2: headlines and you know, cable news all that other stuff
Speaker 2: we pay attention to and thinking it's worse than it
Speaker 2: really is. We've got problems for sure, but you know,
Speaker 2: buying large economies someone along at this point, and I
Speaker 2: think we had to take some solace in that, quite honestly. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let me get a news update in and more follow
Speaker 2: at eleven oh seven. Here we talk a little flu
Speaker 2: and I guess it's gone down now, but it's going
Speaker 2: to start picking back up, is what I heard, starting
Speaker 2: next month, and probably because we're all stuck inside for sure.
Speaker 2: Scott's Flown Show on the Home of the Reds, seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW, Cincinnati. Scott Flown Show on seven hundred W LW. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got the cold, we got the ice, we've got
Speaker 2: the storm. Everything hopefully is behind us at this point.
Speaker 2: We'll see where we move from here. I do know
Speaker 2: this though, with everyone stuck inside, we're starting to see
Speaker 2: an increase see number of people presenting in emergency rooms
Speaker 2: and the like who are sick. Ohio's experience a high
Speaker 2: intensity flu outbreak right now. Also RSV respiratory virus season.
Speaker 2: This year, things have kind of staibled a little bit
Speaker 2: that way, but we're going to get a big surge again,
Speaker 2: I guess in February, so literally in a few days.
Speaker 2: Here it is in fluenza AA super flu strain that
Speaker 2: is out there right now, and right now we've been
Speaker 2: hospitalizations are nearly double what we saw at this time
Speaker 2: last year, and about to get worse. Doctor Stephen Fagin's
Speaker 2: is the medical director for Hamlin County. Stephen, welcome, Harry, doctor.
Speaker 6: Thanks got good morning, happy cold cold morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, right, I mean that's the other element
Speaker 2: here too, with these sub zero temperatures. You know, what
Speaker 2: do you guys? You know at the Hamlin County Health Department,
Speaker 2: most people had the last couple of days off anyways
Speaker 2: because of the ice and the snow and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But what do you go deal with when we had
Speaker 2: a weather emergency like that.
Speaker 6: It is so cold on just a few minutes outside,
Speaker 6: especially doing things like shoveling snow, which can be the
Speaker 6: most dangerous thing you do for your part and for
Speaker 6: other things. Always take a few breaks the time and
Speaker 6: things like that. But so far, not a lot of hypothermia,
Speaker 6: thankfully people have been inside. But a big issue is
Speaker 6: people can't leave the hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah you got you gotta get them out right, and
Speaker 2: we're all stuck inside now, which also further complicates the
Speaker 2: issue of cold and flu on ours v right.
Speaker 6: Can it can? And certainly you know those people that
Speaker 6: you're stuck in around.
Speaker 3: Out for a while, so they're not new people giving
Speaker 3: you stuff.
Speaker 6: But you know, you talk about the influenza, which really
Speaker 6: really skyrocketed sort of like in sort of early February,
Speaker 6: and because of the news training actually coming down here
Speaker 6: in southwest Ohio and starting around the state. And so
Speaker 6: we peaked, you know, right at sort of Christmas or
Speaker 6: this Christmas holiday, probably three and a half times the
Speaker 6: peak that we've seen before. We're still above, we're still
Speaker 6: above the highest people. We we came down very quickly.
Speaker 6: And that's what kind of what you'll see for something
Speaker 6: that a community is not accustomed to. Thankfully, the two
Speaker 6: mutations occurred on the part that makes it infectious rather
Speaker 6: than part that makes it you know, virulent.
Speaker 3: Are really bad.
Speaker 6: So the deaths and things like that not not as much,
Speaker 6: but it is coming down. In my own hostile there
Speaker 6: were tons of flu.
Speaker 3: Now now not so much.
Speaker 2: Are we going to accord that the what I said
Speaker 2: was from the CDC about that we're expecting it to
Speaker 2: trend back upwards next month, literally another week or so.
Speaker 2: Are we going to see that here in Ohio, South
Speaker 2: in Kentucky.
Speaker 6: That's a big question on Board would like to know.
Speaker 6: And you know you've seen one flu seven, you've seen
Speaker 6: one flu season. I do think we'll see a double peak,
Speaker 6: second peak. You know, this is one strain of one strain,
Speaker 6: and so there are other strains of flu. There are
Speaker 6: other strains of restless stuff. So I do think in
Speaker 6: February we'll see some kind of increase. I don't think
Speaker 6: it'll be anywhere near what we saw in early January.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's good news. The other element here too.
Speaker 2: People hear this and go, okay, well it's a super
Speaker 2: flu strain. It's dominant virus. I know people that are
Speaker 2: getting sick and a like, is it too late to
Speaker 2: get a flu shot?
Speaker 6: It was not too late to get a flu shot,
Speaker 6: especially since the probably next peak that we see will
Speaker 6: be exactly what the flues four, so a good match,
Speaker 6: and so no, it is absolutely not too late. It
Speaker 6: does take a week or two for it to have
Speaker 6: an effect. So you want to get it sooner than later.
Speaker 6: But we'll keep saying get a flu shot until the
Speaker 6: end of the flu season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Steven Stector Figan's if you got a shot
Speaker 2: in I don't know, September October, the conventional I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's it's wisdom or just a livestale, is that, Hey,
Speaker 2: that's only good for ninety days. You might have to
Speaker 2: get another one. Does the antibody stay in your body?
Speaker 2: Do you need another flu shot if you had it
Speaker 2: in September October?
Speaker 6: That's a great question. You know, they do decrease, and
Speaker 6: that's why you get it. Every year last maybe six
Speaker 6: months at most four months probably average. Some people like
Speaker 6: to wait until they kind of know the flu is
Speaker 6: really really coming out there, but it's still there. There
Speaker 6: is no recommendation for a second flu shot, like a
Speaker 6: second boost or anything. In fact, think nons of studies
Speaker 6: and it really didn't make a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the season itself, it's only six months, and
Speaker 2: that that shot should last year what you're saying they should. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And if it doesn't, it's because well, we you know,
Speaker 2: it's a guessing game, you guys, you know they're working
Speaker 2: in the other half there they're working on what they
Speaker 2: think is going to be the strain, and sometimes you
Speaker 2: do miss that. But it does protect you in a
Speaker 2: sense that your antibodies are up in your own body
Speaker 2: that you produce UH to protect you. So even if
Speaker 2: you get the flu, can imagine it's happened to be
Speaker 2: last year. I always get the flu shot, and I
Speaker 2: got it last year, but it was only a couple
Speaker 2: of days. Hit me pretty hard, and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: thank god I had the flu shot because it'd be
Speaker 2: much much worse if I didn't. I still got it,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't as bad as it could have.
Speaker 6: Been, exactly like the Five Days of badness. There's also
Speaker 6: influence and medication still works in too. Thankfully the mutations
Speaker 6: has not really change that. So but you got to
Speaker 6: take it within the first day or two of the symptom.
Speaker 6: You know, they started very suddenly for it to work,
Speaker 6: and really it really does. It just stops it from replicating,
Speaker 6: so it goes away faster when you take the medication.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you still got to get a script for that too.
Speaker 2: It seems like that's something like an epi pench before
Speaker 2: you Like, by the time I get to my doctor,
Speaker 2: they call the script and it's it's already advanced.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting, you know, making that over the counter.
Speaker 6: It isn't anti viral. Sometimes there are certain nursing homes
Speaker 6: if there's an outbreak, then they give it one to
Speaker 6: day to everybody for a couple of weeks, even force things. Bamously,
Speaker 6: the US Olympic team had a flu outbreak and they
Speaker 6: took Cama flu and they won from five bowld medals,
Speaker 6: one winters from that team, so.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah again it's doctor Stephen Figgins. He's director
Speaker 2: Hamlet County Medical EMLA County Medical Director. I guess I
Speaker 2: should say we're talking about the flu and RS season
Speaker 2: where what these cold temperatures are going to be stuck
Speaker 2: indoors even more. Of course that causes it to be
Speaker 2: more communicable because you're around people the drier temperatures and
Speaker 2: other thing, which is why we advise having the humidity
Speaker 2: level in your house like around nice, comfortable thirty percent.
Speaker 2: It saves money, but also it may reduce you getting
Speaker 2: the sickness or at least passing on, which is in
Speaker 2: the workplace you don't really have that. This is why
Speaker 2: we see the flu spread as much as we do
Speaker 2: humidity is a big part of part of this too, right,
Speaker 2: that can't be understanding.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 6: And so why do you get cold in the cold.
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily the cold weather, it's the lower humidity
Speaker 6: and that's virus. So a ton of studies I've really
Speaker 6: shown that, you know, it's it's the lower humidity that
Speaker 6: doesn't really cause the virus and has a little very
Speaker 6: own to break up like higher if you look at
Speaker 6: versus say forty percent, you know you're gonna have a
Speaker 6: lot less virus property particles make it sixty plus for
Speaker 6: the higher humidity bacteria of the opposite though, it's actually
Speaker 6: lower humidity that you want for bacteria. That's how your
Speaker 6: operating rooms are all run at lower humidity on purpose
Speaker 6: to prevent bacterial infections. And so it's the viruses that
Speaker 6: are not inhibited by the lower humidity. So what about
Speaker 6: it humidifier, you know, and and for that little piece
Speaker 6: that it helps helps with symptoms, may help increase the humidity,
Speaker 6: elect may help with symptoms, but make sure that you
Speaker 6: wash it because you don't want the bacteria in humidifying.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about maybe if we get a
Speaker 2: second wave the FED saying, Okay, CDC looks like we
Speaker 2: may see a spike in February, said got, I hope not.
Speaker 2: But some of you plan for the worst, hope for
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 6: We always plan for, say, if you're a health system,
Speaker 6: you always plan for a third in anything. Right now,
Speaker 6: children since the children that seem more rs to the
Speaker 6: hospitalizations and flu, so there's always some virus or.
Speaker 3: Some kind of bactery.
Speaker 6: It's gonna going to be out there, so you're always
Speaker 6: planned for that. As a house, you know, you always
Speaker 6: plan for treatment or being able to call a healthcare
Speaker 6: provider to get medication or at least to get an
Speaker 6: evaluation if if need be. And so you know, the
Speaker 6: usual things are the are the usual things just like
Speaker 6: you're just like your mom.
Speaker 2: Said, yeah, well how are we doing on RSV?
Speaker 6: So r C is a in fact, if you look around,
Speaker 6: we don't know as much about our speakers. We don't
Speaker 6: test any adults.
Speaker 4: They tested children.
Speaker 3: More often than not.
Speaker 6: We don't test it, so it could be more than
Speaker 6: we we know. So we look at wastewater, and wastewater
Speaker 6: says show r SC levels being about half because they
Speaker 6: were very high at this time last year, so maybe
Speaker 6: half to two thirds of what they were last year,
Speaker 6: but certainly typical of this time of year.
Speaker 2: Okay, So r SV is a from the entire generally
Speaker 2: hits the younger and maybe the older as well, but
Speaker 2: all of us. I think we all amen, I got
Speaker 2: I hope I don't get the flu this year, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people are sick. And I think there's
Speaker 2: also a misdiagnosis too, would you agree most people think
Speaker 2: they have the flu and it may not be the flu,
Speaker 2: or don't think they have the flu and they actually do.
Speaker 6: Oh, of course, and who knows what the you know
Speaker 6: what the cold is and soil You test pretty much
Speaker 6: everybody who comes in works department or at least gets
Speaker 6: in the hospital gets at least a flu test A
Speaker 6: and B, and in a COVID test. Sometimes we do
Speaker 6: more if we're not sure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean there's all.
Speaker 6: Kinds of stuff, you know, you you may or may
Speaker 6: not have had, and you get through it.
Speaker 2: How's our COVID rates by the way, so COVID, you.
Speaker 6: Know, kind of popped up and in fact I sort
Speaker 6: of see more in the hospital myself and maybe peaking
Speaker 6: U probably you know half of what last year and
Speaker 6: you had a little little peak in August, so we're
Speaker 6: roughly about that level. And so that's why, you know,
Speaker 6: when you look at the winter, you look at it
Speaker 6: as a whole respiratory season. It always seems like something's
Speaker 6: going to fill it. Floo comes down, COVID goes up, RSB, whatever,
Speaker 6: And so the actual number of respiratory I ealnits is
Speaker 6: are kind of constant for the curve through the winter.
Speaker 2: Right, is that part of the problem too. You mentioned
Speaker 2: all of the confluence of these things, and with multiple
Speaker 2: respiratory viruses co circulating, I think people need to know
Speaker 2: to make treatment decisions. For example, you know, I mentioned
Speaker 2: tamil flu for the flu, but what is the state
Speaker 2: here of accessible affordable testing in the county.
Speaker 6: It's pretty good, and so we do recommend, you know,
Speaker 6: going in goo store and you can get a combination
Speaker 6: of flu and covid death. And in fact, you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes employers will ask employees to do that, like, hey,
Speaker 6: you're feeling bad, go and check that. Check that before
Speaker 6: you come. And certainly sports teams, hey you feeling bad,
Speaker 6: go ahead and check that. Law sports teams travel with
Speaker 6: those with those testings. So it's pretty pretty available, Like
Speaker 6: twenty dollars or so you can get there. You need
Speaker 6: to do two. And so you do need to do one. Okay,
Speaker 6: it's negative, you know, wait twelve hours or maybe the
Speaker 6: next day the second one just to confirm. And that's
Speaker 6: why there are two tests in those in those packets
Speaker 6: that you buy.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, what is the shelf life for that? By the way,
Speaker 2: most people don't even buy the reading expiration.
Speaker 6: Dates well, you know they're pretty good, pretty last at
Speaker 6: least a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Always check the expiration date.
Speaker 6: Hopefully don't sell stuff that's expired. But they they continue
Speaker 6: to study, you know, whether these things are still correct.
Speaker 6: Even though COVID changes, the test still picks it up
Speaker 6: and the influenza changes, the new flute still picked up
Speaker 6: by the point care or the typical influenza tests. They've
Speaker 6: checked that, so they're still reasonably accurate. Hardst part is
Speaker 6: getting the thing up your nose to the point that
Speaker 6: it needs to be.
Speaker 2: Well, if you've been around during what six years ago,
Speaker 2: you remember jamming that thing up until it came out
Speaker 2: of the top of your head, So you know those
Speaker 2: days are back when you get the two we should
Speaker 2: be used to this stuff.
Speaker 3: Doctor, Well, sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always uncomfortable to get that thing and get
Speaker 2: that good sample, but again that you know what you
Speaker 2: have and can seek treatment relative to especially with flu,
Speaker 2: you can get early treatment and really knock that thing down.
Speaker 2: Between the vaccination and tamil, food products, anti virals, you're
Speaker 2: probably in pretty good shape. It seems like we are
Speaker 2: weathering the storm quite well here. We are, like you know,
Speaker 2: it feels like we're halfway through winter. Although Winner doesn't
Speaker 2: want to give it up, it's going to be a
Speaker 2: while here before we can stop having this conversation. But
Speaker 2: you see them on top of things and ready for
Speaker 2: whatever other nature throws out.
Speaker 6: It sounds like, well, thanks. And there's a ton of
Speaker 6: people epidemiologists and a ton of people always want and
Speaker 6: always looking want checking down the sort of you know,
Speaker 6: assous disease fighters there who are working, working all the time,
Speaker 6: and anytime something pops up, there's the conversation discussion. And
Speaker 6: we talk not just with the health departments, with the
Speaker 6: health systems, and so we have a pretty good network.
Speaker 6: We've been texting all morning of the health systems and
Speaker 6: health departments here in this part of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you work together to make sure that
Speaker 2: you know, you see the trends coming before we know
Speaker 2: about them for sure. Is there something on the horizon
Speaker 2: you know about you can maybe in the next couple
Speaker 2: of weeks or a couple of months, how and how
Speaker 2: far in advance you kind of figure these things out well.
Speaker 6: And so there is this thing called the winter vomiting
Speaker 6: thickness votavirus, you know, the things see on cruise it
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. And we in the past week
Speaker 6: or so have in fact seeing uh one or more
Speaker 6: of our wastewater treatment plants start to come up in
Speaker 6: voatavirus and so probably put out you know, the alert
Speaker 6: here in the next next day or so. And so
Speaker 6: that's not something you want either. And so it's not
Speaker 6: a bit so you know, but I will tell you
Speaker 6: it's that right now it's roughly half of what it
Speaker 6: was this time of year. But this time of year
Speaker 6: last year we had one of the highest amounts of
Speaker 6: roatavirus that we've seen a long time. So so we're
Speaker 6: at typical levels, but we are you know, the wastewater
Speaker 6: is showing at and you know, wastewater doesn't lie for
Speaker 6: vatavirus because that's how it how it breads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so rotavirus routine backs. Infants get it a lot too.
Speaker 2: But is it solely hand washing? And what is the
Speaker 2: as you call the vector the same? What how do
Speaker 2: you want to contract is it? Is it their dirty hands?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: The same thing?
Speaker 6: Hand washing, good hand washing, nortrus, both of those are
Speaker 6: kind of the same. And so you know, good good
Speaker 6: hand washing, and especially especially Swinea family is really throwing
Speaker 6: up a lot. It is that you know, that bombit it,
Speaker 6: that's duchius. And so you want to sanitize that and
Speaker 6: make sure it's washed with soap and water, not hand
Speaker 6: sanitizer because the alcohol really didn't didn't take nor ours.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so that's good news. Okay, I'll throw alcohol,
Speaker 2: you know, hand sanitizer on it. That does not do it.
Speaker 2: It's got to be soap, uh sir factor. And then
Speaker 2: you wash your hands for twenty seconds and get all
Speaker 2: those germs down the sink. Yes, yep, and only watched
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Speaker 4: You got it.
Speaker 2: If you got that habit, it's not a good one
Speaker 2: to have this. This is this time of year, that's
Speaker 2: for sure. Doctor Stephen Fagan's uh he is the medical
Speaker 2: Director Hamilt County. Thanks again so much for the information.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Be well, take care every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a few more people back at work today,
Speaker 2: but again we're not the full strength, as we say
Speaker 2: in hockey. We'll do a news update in a few minutes.
Speaker 2: At cold is gonna last. Here's a spoiler alert for
Speaker 2: you with the weather, it's gonna last for a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. It's a good feel like anyway, maybe a
Speaker 2: week from Thursday possibly. I guess this is when we
Speaker 2: may get near freezing at this point. Who knows. You
Speaker 2: just gotta bear down. We're gonna white knuckle it literally
Speaker 2: and figuratively for sure. So that's on the way. We
Speaker 2: get news update latest to Minnesota and we'll return a
Speaker 2: little money tune up. Andy Shaeffer drops in once again.
Speaker 2: He's with Simply Money and all Worth Advisors. Lots to
Speaker 2: talk about the markets, including India and the European Union
Speaker 2: getting together to try and gang up on the United
Speaker 2: States to try and circumvent tariffs. What does all that mean?
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it next with Andy Shaeffer from Alworth
Speaker 2: on the Scott Sloan Show. This is seven hundred w
Speaker 2: time to talk about money, how to make it, how
Speaker 2: did you keep it, and how to keep others off
Speaker 2: your stack. This is all Worth Advice with Andy Schaeffer.
Speaker 2: All right, wrapping up the show this morning, as we
Speaker 2: do on Tuesdays with our buddy Andy Shaffer from all
Speaker 2: Worth Financial. Drew, Good morning house. Things in the deep
Speaker 2: priests for you way out there in Claremont County.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything's great. They cleared the roads pretty well for us,
Speaker 5: and you know we're just kind of hunkering down out here.
Speaker 5: But no business as usual as far as the markets go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and everyone is. I guess anyone possible
Speaker 2: working from home. Yesterday when I left the station, it
Speaker 2: looked like it was Christmas Day. There's no one in
Speaker 2: the parking garage today. A few more cars, but not many.
Speaker 2: So that, you know, from an economic perspective, that helps
Speaker 2: because you can work literally from anywhere. Let's get into
Speaker 2: this stuff. I'll put you on the spot and about
Speaker 2: this new deal that India and the Europeanian Union struck
Speaker 2: a trade deal. As you know, we hit them with
Speaker 2: fifty percent tariffs and now the EU and India said, okay,
Speaker 2: you know what, we'll partner together and we'll trade with
Speaker 2: you guys kind of squeeze in America out. I think
Speaker 2: the biggest thing, top of my mind, Andy, is what
Speaker 2: about the auto market there, because we export a lot
Speaker 2: of our vehicles Detroit does to India.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it remains to be seen how this is
Speaker 5: all going to work out, but it's fascinating to me.
Speaker 5: I love following the news from a jeipolitical standpoint and
Speaker 5: how it might affect the economy in the markets. But
Speaker 5: this is kind of like the old end around for Canada, right,
Speaker 5: you know, because most of their you know, energy exports
Speaker 5: have been to the United States, about ninety eight percent
Speaker 5: of their energy exports, and so it does make sense
Speaker 5: for them to actually look for other partners when doing deals,
Speaker 5: particularly with President Trump and the administration threatening one hundred
Speaker 5: percent tariffs on Canada if they get a deal done
Speaker 5: with China. So there's a lot of gamesmanship at play here.
Speaker 5: But essentially what this is is Canada is negotiating a
Speaker 5: deal where they're going to send a large amount of
Speaker 5: crude oil to India and in turn, India is going
Speaker 5: to refine a lot of the oil and send it
Speaker 5: back to Canada. And so you know, that irritates the
Speaker 5: Trump administration to some degree. We do enjoy our energy
Speaker 5: relationship with Canada, but I think you know, from Canada's standpoint,
Speaker 5: they probably do need to look for different partners. I
Speaker 5: think more interestingly is the deal that they are potentially
Speaker 5: entering in with China, And I think that is a
Speaker 5: little bit more concerning because the Trump administration at this
Speaker 5: point says, well, China is trying to look at kind
Speaker 5: of a workaround to get imports into the United States
Speaker 5: and avoid terriffs by going through Canada first. And so
Speaker 5: both of these deals that Canada is negotiating right now
Speaker 5: are very interesting and we'll see how it all plays out.
Speaker 2: All right, Are they working around as to the point
Speaker 2: where maybe we ought to rethink these tariffs, because I mean,
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm going to ask you, is
Speaker 2: I don't know if the tariffs are working or not.
Speaker 2: If it's gone on so long that our former partners
Speaker 2: are starting to work without it's going, well, we'll just
Speaker 2: work around the United States. I mean, they can't completely
Speaker 2: squeeze it out were America, for God's sake, so we
Speaker 2: do everything.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's really going to have that
Speaker 5: big of an impact. I think some of it is
Speaker 5: you know, gamesmanship. You know, at the end of the day, Canada, India,
Speaker 5: and China all need the consumer market of the United States,
Speaker 5: where the most robust economy in the world. Everybody wants
Speaker 5: to sell their goods to us, and I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, it's more about creating leverage than anything else.
Speaker 5: So it will be interesting. We're going to get our
Speaker 5: trade deficit numbers that are delayed still from the government shutdown,
Speaker 5: but we're going to get those this week and will
Speaker 5: be interesting to see, you know, if we've been able
Speaker 5: to close the gap a little bit on that. But
Speaker 5: I don't think it's really going to have a major impact.
Speaker 5: And again, most of this is a lot of negotiating
Speaker 5: employ Yeah, and I'm just curious to kind of watch
Speaker 5: it from the sidewine.
Speaker 2: What's our exit strategy then how we get out of this?
Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, first of all, you know,
Speaker 5: they're putting pressure on us in all these countries, right
Speaker 5: whether it's China, whether it's Canada, whether it's India, and
Speaker 5: we have direct negotiations with each one of them, and ultimately,
Speaker 5: I think what we want to have happen is something
Speaker 5: that's a little bit more harmonious for everybody, so that
Speaker 5: it does make sense. You know, initially the Trump administration
Speaker 5: and courage can to make some deals with China until
Speaker 5: they figured out, you know, kind of under the hood
Speaker 5: what was going on there, and the you know, from
Speaker 5: an economic standpoint, the fear is that trying to is
Speaker 5: trying to go through Canada to get their goods in
Speaker 5: the United States and avoid the tariffs, and so that
Speaker 5: we lose levers. So I think this will all work
Speaker 5: itself out over the next few months, and I don't
Speaker 5: really think it's going to have a major impact on
Speaker 5: the economy overall.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, it looks like markets agree with you there too. Good.
Speaker 2: I just you wonder, as a you know, just someone
Speaker 2: who buys stuff, way where this is all going at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there could be some moments in time where
Speaker 5: there might be some surges and prices you know, from
Speaker 5: imports with each of those countries, but none of it's
Speaker 5: going to be long term or lasting. And right now,
Speaker 5: you know, energy prices are fairly low and fairly affordable,
Speaker 5: so we do have some leeway there.
Speaker 2: All right, Andy Schaeffer, I saw that gold is at
Speaker 2: fifty one hundred ounce right now, which is an all
Speaker 2: time high. Right there, you were. You were a guy
Speaker 2: told me not long ago, don't buy gold, gold, stoop,
Speaker 2: don't buy gold. When's the time good time to buy gold?
Speaker 2: When's a good time to buy gold? When Andy said
Speaker 2: it was still but to buy gold, that's when the
Speaker 2: best time to buy gold was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 5: You know, when you look at the history of gold,
Speaker 5: it's not a very it's not a very good long
Speaker 5: term investment. Certainly, it's done very well lately, and you know,
Speaker 5: and I was mistaken about that. However, it's not the
Speaker 5: right time to buy gold. You're seeing right now with
Speaker 5: gold is that it is at all time highs and
Speaker 5: a lot of it has to do not with you
Speaker 5: and me, Scott. It's not the average investor that's going
Speaker 5: out buying gold bars or stocking you know, their basements
Speaker 5: with all of this, you know, tangible gold. What we're
Speaker 5: seeing is that you're seeing a lot of the banking
Speaker 5: industries starting their heads their bets because of a lot
Speaker 5: of the geopolitical turmoil that we have, and they want
Speaker 5: to make sure that they have enough reserves to be
Speaker 5: able to withstand any type of financial crisis that may
Speaker 5: come down the road. Now, I think that's more just
Speaker 5: playing it safe than anything else. We're also seeing China
Speaker 5: buy a lot of gold as well, and that's driving
Speaker 5: up the price too, So you know, the average person
Speaker 5: isn't going out there buying a ton of gold coins
Speaker 5: or gold bars. There is a little bit more exposure
Speaker 5: in gold ETFs. But you have to remember, you know,
Speaker 5: the S and P five hundred has done great too,
Speaker 5: So it's it's not like gold has done well in
Speaker 5: spite of other investments. It's just done well in addition
Speaker 5: to the other investments. Yeah, yeah, I get it's got
Speaker 5: I point your money. It's yeah, Okay, that's that's more.
Speaker 5: I guess it's more Willy's act. He's coming up at
Speaker 5: the twelve US. He's the gold guy. Put everything in
Speaker 5: the gold. Yeah, what you're saying, you know, we can
Speaker 5: talk about Willie. What what you are seeing is you
Speaker 5: are seeing a lot of wealthier families by gold because
Speaker 5: they don't need to chase returns. So for them, it's
Speaker 5: more about wealth preservation than anything else. You know, when
Speaker 5: you've become extremely wealthy, it's more about protecting what you
Speaker 5: have as opposed to trying to generate more wealth. And
Speaker 5: so you are seeing you know, more established wealthy families
Speaker 5: by more gold as opposed to you know, the everyday.
Speaker 2: Joe Willy's got a room in his house. It's just gold, right,
Speaker 2: He said, well, yeah, sony, you gotta get gold. What
Speaker 2: about when, well, when I arm that happens when the
Speaker 2: liberal Democrats take over, The streets are rife with blood
Speaker 2: and our houses are on fire, and you're gonna need
Speaker 2: gold because currencies not go. What are you gonna do then?
Speaker 4: What? Now?
Speaker 2: And I said, I got a gun, I'll just take
Speaker 2: your gold.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: You can't eat gold.
Speaker 2: I don't know you're you're old, and I got guns.
Speaker 2: I'll just give me a stick them up, give me that.
Speaker 2: Uh Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial, simply money. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about stop lelast or early last week, I guess
Speaker 2: should say, with the Greenland thing, we saw stocks take
Speaker 2: a dump, and then of course we said, well, hey,
Speaker 2: you know he goes just kidding, just joking, uh, and
Speaker 2: then the markets went back up too.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so it's see, I don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: whip saw as much I think the markets are just
Speaker 2: kind of used to this, but now we're on the Minnesota,
Speaker 2: so we've moved from one controversy to any in Venezuela.
Speaker 2: Seems like it's light years ago. For crying out loud,
Speaker 2: it seems like the markets of settling go, this is
Speaker 2: just gonna be you know, every day there's something new
Speaker 2: and we're not gonna pay attention to that. It feels
Speaker 2: like that to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll see some swings, you know, generally speaking, when
Speaker 5: the economies expand and we have you know, this turmoil.
Speaker 5: You know, from a geopolitical standpoint, you will see the
Speaker 5: market's whipsaul a little bit, but mostly that's due to
Speaker 5: investor irrational behavior. You know, people tend to respond to
Speaker 5: fear and greed, and fear is a bigger driver than greed.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people watch headlines. You know, when
Speaker 5: I talk to my clients, whether they're you know, lean
Speaker 5: right or they lean left, they usually watch news organizations
Speaker 5: that encourage what they already believe, as opposed to challenging
Speaker 5: their beliefs. And so you do have investors that respond
Speaker 5: to these types of things.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Greenland's another one that's pretty fascinating. You know, when you
Speaker 5: look at Greenland. You know, initially it was the Trump
Speaker 5: administration say hey, we're going to move our military in there.
Speaker 5: We're gonna you know, basically take it over over. It's
Speaker 5: going to become the fifty first state. And you know,
Speaker 5: when he was in Davos two days later, he said,
Speaker 5: oh no, you know, we kind of have a deal
Speaker 5: done already. And I think from the Trump administration, when
Speaker 5: you look at Greenland, you know, from a geography standpoint,
Speaker 5: if you're looking at a clock, Greenland is you know,
Speaker 5: at one o'clock directly northeast of US, and it does
Speaker 5: make sense, you know from uh, you know from a
Speaker 5: defense stamp there that we have to have our foot
Speaker 5: in that area not only for Arctic trade routes, but
Speaker 5: also to protect the Northern Hemisphere and North America. So
Speaker 5: you know, that seems to be working itself out as well.
Speaker 5: Now we have a base there already.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Danish wouldn't care if we put another
Speaker 2: one on the days A gah, go ahead, you're gonna
Speaker 2: put the infrastructure there, we should be okay. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: seems like it's an asset and the way things are
Speaker 2: changing the world. Yeah, but I don't know if you
Speaker 2: need to take the country over completely in order to
Speaker 2: do that, which is all over countries that are are
Speaker 2: not ours. Although people will say, hey, this time, you know,
Speaker 2: but this time with the things on them at this
Speaker 2: time it's different, Is it really all that different?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: And the other thing is is I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the Trump administration makes a good point about NATO. You know,
Speaker 5: if if if China was able to get a foothold
Speaker 5: somehow to Greenland's rare earth minerals and those types of
Speaker 5: things that Denmark, probably it wouldn't be able to defend Greenland.
Speaker 5: And we are obligated as a nation, as a part
Speaker 5: of NATO to defend the other members of NATO. And
Speaker 5: I think that's why the Trump administration is saying, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, we have a lot of skin in the
Speaker 5: game here. You know, what we're trying to do is
Speaker 5: be preemptive to make sure that there is protection there
Speaker 5: so that we're not reactionary if some type of military
Speaker 5: action takes place. And so it seems like cooler heads
Speaker 5: are prevailing. It seems like we're not We're not going
Speaker 5: to go in there and invade Greenland and take it over.
Speaker 5: It just seems like we're just going to have better
Speaker 5: deals in a more clear picture and try to get
Speaker 5: aligned in the same direction from a NATO standpoint.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, all right, We are in earning season right now.
Speaker 2: Actually hasn't go not quick kicked in a high gear yet,
Speaker 2: but some numbers are coming out. What do we see.
Speaker 5: Well, Ups came out, you know, and their earnings were
Speaker 5: pretty good, and you know, I think we're going to
Speaker 5: continue to see some decent growth. Looking at about eight
Speaker 5: point four percent s and P five hundred earnings growth
Speaker 5: in quarter four, probably about seven point five revenue growth.
Speaker 5: But typically you know, we usually see earnings to the
Speaker 5: side of that. Remember, companies kind of want to low
Speaker 5: ball their estimations because they want to tell their shareholder
Speaker 5: how good that we've done by beating those estimations. You know,
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five, earnings growth rate was over thirteen
Speaker 5: percent and that exceeded the expectation of five point six percent.
Speaker 5: So you know, we might see a little bit more
Speaker 5: of the same. We're just getting started in earning a season.
Speaker 5: We do have a number of companies that I'm looking
Speaker 5: at this week that are going to report, including Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta,
Speaker 5: Microsoft and Video, and Tesla you know, so we'll see
Speaker 5: what happens. But right now things are trending towards the positive.
Speaker 5: All right, that's good.
Speaker 2: So looking ahead here you mentioned a little bit of
Speaker 2: that too, don't we have a FED and Reserve meeting
Speaker 2: and meetings every week? Oh, we got a big meeting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all they do, is me. Yeah, they like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 5: Well, we're going to get the feder Reserve Monetary policy
Speaker 5: meetings on Wednesday as always. We're going to get FED
Speaker 5: sham and pals communication and taking questions after that meeting.
Speaker 5: Right now, we're kind of in a goldilocks situation from
Speaker 5: an economic standpoint. You know, we're close to form ployment,
Speaker 5: inflation is under control. So I don't think there's going
Speaker 5: to be a lot of earth shattering news when FED
Speaker 5: chairman speaks. I don't expect that we're going to see
Speaker 5: any rate changes this month. And you know, more, it's
Speaker 5: more important to understand what the guidance is from the Fed.
Speaker 5: You know, what are they looking at moving forward? And
Speaker 5: that's why I like listening to the press conference because
Speaker 5: a lot of good questions get asked. You know, it's
Speaker 5: likely we probably don't see another cut until June. The
Speaker 5: Fed is in no hurry, so right now, you know
Speaker 5: their stance is still pretty dubbish.
Speaker 2: Okay, Speaking of things coming up ahead this year, I
Speaker 2: know that now we have officially started, the green flag
Speaker 2: is up on tax season, we have taxis. I think
Speaker 2: most people are going to get more money this year, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: We'll see. You know, the Trump administration is implemented. You
Speaker 5: know some bigger refunds this year. You know some of
Speaker 5: those include the senior deduction. If you're over sixty five,
Speaker 5: you might be eligible for the new six thousand dollars
Speaker 5: senior deduction. Now there is an income phase out. The
Speaker 5: phase out is seventy five thousand dollars for individuals and
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty five dollars for joint filers. But
Speaker 5: you know that can be significant. There's going to be
Speaker 5: continuing no tax on tips. Self played workers can deduct
Speaker 5: qualified tips. You know that the IRS deems customarily and
Speaker 5: regularly receiving tics tips. No tax on overtime. That's a
Speaker 5: big one. One that I'm interested in is the no
Speaker 5: tax and car loan interests. So if you bought a
Speaker 5: car in twenty twenty five, it took out a loan
Speaker 5: to finance it. You can deduct up to ten thousand
Speaker 5: dollars on that loan interest, you know, to qualify, though,
Speaker 5: the car net needs to have its final assembly here
Speaker 5: in the United States. But there is a phase out
Speaker 5: there too, so if you have income over one hundred
Speaker 5: thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars for joint filers,
Speaker 5: you won't be eligible for that either. But you know, overall,
Speaker 5: there's a lot more opportunity out there, so if you're
Speaker 5: working with a financial advisor or a CPA, make sure
Speaker 5: you inquire about some other opportunities for tax deductions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Andy Shaeff are all worth financial. Their
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Speaker 2: little cash money update this morning, dual, Well the best.
Speaker 2: We'll talk again in a week. Be well and stay warm, okay,
Speaker 2: Scott you too, all right, appreciate it man. We have
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