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Speaker 1: Good morning, Welcome to the Big Outdoors News Radio seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW, Cincinnati, Chip Hard Tom Cross in the studio

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Speaker 1: and I got Tom welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time, but we've been on a

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Speaker 3: couple of projects over No.

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Speaker 1: No, I had to come out to Adams County and

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Speaker 1: dig you out of a snowbank.

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Speaker 2: Okay, to get you to get in here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, shut up snow this you know, well, I just

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Speaker 1: I wanted to thank you. It just got you know,

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Speaker 1: Danny and I carried the ball pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I'm glad to be part of this team. Though. Well,

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Speaker 2: welcome back, sir. Now I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Before I get off, we get off on the main

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Speaker 1: subject this morning. Shout out to Gary Jeff Walker and

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Speaker 1: his cast of characters. I attended his twenty ninth anniversary

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Speaker 1: party and there was a gentleman there by the name

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Speaker 1: of Gary Robbins drove five hours from northern Ohio to

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Speaker 1: come down. He collars me and he goes, I'm in

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Speaker 1: Shelby County and we have the oldest sportsman's club in

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Speaker 1: the United States at one hundred and fifty five years.

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'll mention it Gary on Saturday morning, so I went

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Speaker 1: back and did some research. He was wrong, and he's

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Speaker 1: The Shelby County Deer Hunters organization is the third oldest

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Speaker 1: deer hunting club in the United States.

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Speaker 2: And what is the oldest.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't find the oldest, but the second oldest is

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Speaker 1: place called Winnis Point up in northern Ohio. So, but

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Speaker 1: the Shelby County Deer Hunters are roughly one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty five years old, so that's pretty good. Yes, they

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Speaker 1: managed to hang in there when we shot the hell

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Speaker 1: out of all the deer. Okay, back in the when

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Speaker 1: we were meat hunting, back in the early part of

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Speaker 1: the century. So, okay, the big I've got DJ Johnson here.

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Speaker 1: He's a state rep from owens Borough, Kentucky, and he

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Speaker 1: has introduced bill titled House Bill three ninety seven, which

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Speaker 1: will regulate fishing in Kentucky. Representative Johnson, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: big outdoors. We'll call you DJ for the time being,

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Speaker 1: and delighted to have you. And this is some exciting news.

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Speaker 4: Well, appreciate that, and I'm glad to be with you

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Speaker 4: guys today. I appreciate the opportunity to have a conversation

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Speaker 4: about our trophy catfisher and the Ohio River and around Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've been hearing for years from the from your

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Speaker 1: to you know, your your average catfisherman, that the stock

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Speaker 1: of big catfish in the Ohio River in particular has

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Speaker 1: been depleted by you know, by the commercial catfishing industry.

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Speaker 1: So Tom, I know you want to jump in, so

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Speaker 1: you go right ahead, but you know, so we want

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Speaker 1: to get this out there and and of course find

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Speaker 1: out the status as well.

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Speaker 3: What does spurred you to introduce this legislation.

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Speaker 4: I had a constituent come to me and he's a

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Speaker 4: very very avid recreational cat fisherman, and he also has

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Speaker 4: been involved with some catfish tournaments locally in the Orangsboro area,

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Speaker 4: and he just pointed out that our tournament basically died away,

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Speaker 4: got off because we're the dwindling population on catfish. You know,

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Speaker 4: if you're going to turn to a catfish tournament, you're

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Speaker 4: looking to catch a large trophy catfish at some point,

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Speaker 4: and it was just getting harder and harder to do.

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Speaker 4: And he asked if there's anything we can do about it,

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Speaker 4: And we started looking at options and over the years,

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Speaker 4: we've we've evolved to the point where we've got house

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Speaker 4: built three ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: That same complaint is that goodbye fishermen on this side

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Speaker 3: of the Ohio River, the northern bortion of it, that

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Speaker 3: the commercial fisheries is pretty much decimated. The trophy catfishery

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Speaker 3: that's out there on the.

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Speaker 4: High River, that's the concern. And you know, I'm typically

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Speaker 4: I'm a pretty strong business oriented guy, but we also

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Speaker 4: have to have some restraints, some protections for the natural resources.

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Speaker 4: And that's what three is about. Really, it's about conservation

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Speaker 4: of not catfish in general, but specifically and very limited

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Speaker 4: to trophy catfish, which basically is thirty five inches or longer.

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Speaker 1: Well, DJ, let mean, let's face it, if your beer,

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Speaker 1: the average cat fishermen out there, like all of them

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Speaker 1: that I know, they're they're they number in the thousands.

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Speaker 2: They pretty much they practice catch and release.

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Speaker 1: I don't know of anyone that actually keeps a trophy

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Speaker 1: catfish for whatever reason. But you know, you're talking fish

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Speaker 1: that's the that's your great team pool too.

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Speaker 4: You're exactly right, that that is the breeding the level

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Speaker 4: where the breeders are is at the troph trophy catfish size.

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Speaker 4: And just talk a little bit about the length of

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Speaker 4: the lifespan for catfish. It takes a minimum of about

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Speaker 4: fifteen maybe twenty years just to reach the minimum trophy size,

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Speaker 4: and then they go, as you said, they go much

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Speaker 4: larger than that, and so we're talking years and years.

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Speaker 4: And what we're running into is when the commercial fishermen

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Speaker 4: take the fish out of the river, they're taking them

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Speaker 4: out of their natural habitat. They're taking them to a

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Speaker 4: different habitat where they just don't survive, survive for very long.

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Speaker 4: They're in there for you know, different people say different times.

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Speaker 4: But if we say it's a period of months as

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Speaker 4: opposed to a period of years, if you do the math,

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Speaker 4: if it takes fifteen years to get to a specific

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Speaker 4: size and they only last a couple of months after that,

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Speaker 4: and you just keep taking them out at that rate,

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Speaker 4: eventually there are no trophy catfish left.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: DJ Johnson, state representative from Kentucky. Our new best friend

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Speaker 1: here at seven hundred wlws Big Outdoors. We're going to

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Speaker 1: hit a short break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: I am working to better myself.

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Speaker 5: That's why I'm digging this survival bunker in my backyard,

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Speaker 5: so when the big one hits, I'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: Well, my neighbors get vaporized snuckers. That's also why I

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Speaker 2: listen to Scott Sloan. He has common sense answers for

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Speaker 2: the problems we all face, and he's pretty funny.

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Speaker 4: I face the same problems you do, so let's talk

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Speaker 4: about him and have a little fun along the way.

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Speaker 2: Scott Sloan's the bomb Ball.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we're back the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: Chip Hard Tom Cross. Our guest is state Representative from

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Speaker 1: Kentucky DJ Johnson, and he had introduced House Bill three

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, which is really a conservation measure to protect

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Speaker 1: trophy catfish and DJ, we obviously will have a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions and then you'll say something and more we'll

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Speaker 1: think of more, but you know again, next at next week,

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Speaker 1: I'll have a Captain Chase and Ice on to talk

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Speaker 1: about that operation River Raid. But in the meantime, what

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Speaker 1: what do these cover all Kentucky water? Does this bill

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Speaker 1: cover all Kentucky waters and the Ohio River?

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Speaker 4: It does, and it's current version it does that. There's

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Speaker 4: some conversation about some individuals are looking for maybe an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to limit it a little bit, but the current

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Speaker 4: version and the version that at this point I would

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Speaker 4: move forward with covers all Kentucky waterways in the Ohio.

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Speaker 3: River is thirty five inches across the board. You know,

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Speaker 3: the three species of catfish for speaking of which are channels, flatheads,

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Speaker 4: So no, yeah, and you're exactly right. I just used

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Speaker 4: thirty five inches because that's kind of a common desominator

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Speaker 4: without spending a lot of time defining those three different

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Speaker 4: just generally say thirty five inches.

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Speaker 3: Thirty five inches for a channel cat is a that'd

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Speaker 3: be a.

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Speaker 2: Record, that'd be a record.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what we're what we're talking about is

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Speaker 4: the term trophy catfish is the important term there. And

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Speaker 4: then you've got to fill in the blanks on the

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Speaker 4: different species, different sizes.

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Speaker 1: How would this legislation work specifically?

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Speaker 4: So, uh, it would This is more this is not

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Speaker 4: really about fishing as the catfish. It's more about the

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Speaker 4: transportation of catfish for commercial purposes. So that would be

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Speaker 4: where the enforcement would come into effect. Is it's not

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Speaker 4: so much out on the river seeing who's got wide

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Speaker 4: in a boat, but it's at that point where commercial

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Speaker 4: because there are commercial fishermen without commercial licenses. We can

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Speaker 4: talk about that another day. Yeah, but it's it's actually

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Speaker 4: in the transported and if you're identified as transporting a

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Speaker 4: trophy catfish that needs the definition of truphy catfish, then

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Speaker 4: there would be uh, it would be a Class A misdemeanor.

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Speaker 4: And and then over and above that, I would require

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Speaker 4: a five hundred dollars payment to the Kentucky Fish and

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Speaker 4: Wildlife It's kind of a restitution payment per incident.

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Speaker 1: So this is is since in essence prohibits that the

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Speaker 1: transportation across a state line into another state, or even

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Speaker 1: anywhere within the state of Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: This specifically deals with transportation within the state of Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: This I mentioned crossing state lines.

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Speaker 1: That would be I guess left to the neighboring states

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Speaker 1: to I guess determine how to handle you know what's

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Speaker 4: I don't pretend to be a lawyer, but I think

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Speaker 4: you run into interstate commerce clause issues at that point.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear you're not a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had a couple of them in my career,

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Speaker 1: and I loved them dearly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so do you want to just.

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Speaker 4: Get off this topic and do lawyer jokes?

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: So what what's been the reception from the commercial fishing industry.

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Speaker 4: Of course, they're not particularly happy with it. I'm impeding

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Speaker 4: on their ability to earn a living, and I understand that. Again,

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Speaker 4: I'll just mention that generally speaking, I'm a small government

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Speaker 4: business kind of we're in a guide. But here's what

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Speaker 4: here's the issue. We're talking about a conservation of a

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Speaker 4: it takes fifteen years to get a fish to a

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Speaker 4: certain size, and it takes two months to in that

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Speaker 4: fish in a different environment. What I want to have

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Speaker 4: happen is the people who get to go catfish now

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Speaker 4: and catch a trophy catfish. I want the future generations.

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Speaker 4: I want their kids and grandkids, their great grand kids

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Speaker 4: that have the same opportunity. And if we don't take

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Speaker 4: some put some guardrails up, take some measures to protect

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Speaker 4: that that natural resource, that natural resource is going to disappear.

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Speaker 3: A commercial fishing operations. Actually in Kentucky, you have a

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 4: That's probably a good question. I think I'll find it out.

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Speaker 4: I would say that there are a few that well

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Speaker 4: that there's strictly trophy catfish. So there's a few those

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Speaker 4: and I would like to find a way to help

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Speaker 4: them out. And we're still looking at ways tweak the

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Speaker 4: language and maybe do that, But by and large, I

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Speaker 4: would say the trophy catfish is a part of the

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Speaker 4: overall fishing experience they have at the pay lakes. I'm

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Speaker 4: not trying to put a pay lake out of a business.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to put a businessman out of business.

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Speaker 4: But once again, and I'll reiterate this many times, if

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Speaker 4: we don't do something to put some guard rows along,

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Speaker 4: they're going to be out of business anyway, because we're

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Speaker 4: going to run out of trophy catfish.

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Speaker 2: Oh you got that right?

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Speaker 1: Well, listen to DJ Johnson, State Representative, State of Great

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Speaker 1: State of Kentucky. You said, tight, we got to hit

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Speaker 1: Hey, we're back the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred

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Speaker 1: Mike Geez, Radio, Rick Lynnette, everybody who Dick from Dayton.

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Speaker 1: I saw him at a distance, Okay, all right, because

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Speaker 1: But it was a great party, great time, and congrats

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Speaker 1: we turned back to State Rep from Kentucky, DJ Johnson

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Speaker 1: in house built three ninety seven, which is about conservation

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Speaker 1: of the catfish species, specifically trophy catfish in the state

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Speaker 2: Dj I.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think this is fantastic because we've been

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Speaker 1: I think that the flat head is a much heardier

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Speaker 1: about conservation as you as you said, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to hurt the pay lake people. But

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Speaker 1: you know, there's I mean, there's ways that the expectations

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Speaker 1: catch your own damn trophy catfish.

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Speaker 4: I digrass, you know, I'm gonna I will be I'll

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Speaker 4: be kind of the devil's death on that. I very

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Speaker 2: You're right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I mentioned this or not, but

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Speaker 4: I'm actually not a fisherman. I'm I'm It's just not

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Speaker 1: Sure, absolutely, And you know I might have been a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and again I'll just emphasize that this is strictly

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Speaker 2: In Kentucky how many.

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Speaker 4: But when you target a specific category, then that category

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Speaker 3: How many rivers in Kentucky are actually fish commercially for catfish,

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Speaker 3: I spend a larger tom.

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Speaker 2: That was an unfair question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a geologist or a geographer, so I'm

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Speaker 1: Come on now, and you're not a lawyer. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: that's fantastic. So DJ keep it up. Where is this

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Speaker 4: It's come out of the committee in the House, and

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Speaker 4: it's a House bill, so the process has got to

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Speaker 4: with respect to ETO. That's a general process.

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Speaker 2: We're a year away.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, uh, you know, I don't know if I'll get

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Speaker 4: it through this this session. The way the Kentucky Journal

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Speaker 4: but the rest of the year, we're in what we

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Speaker 4: call the interim period, and that's where we have conversations

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Speaker 4: a there's an outside chance I'll get it through this session.

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Speaker 4: But if we don't, then I'll just keep working with people,

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Speaker 4: try to refine the language if we can find better

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Speaker 1: Well, if we can help you any at all, we'd

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Speaker 1: be happy to do so. And have your crack aid

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Speaker 1: put me on your press list to keep get me updates.

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Speaker 4: We will do that absolutely.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, well, we'll cut you loose to go

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Speaker 1: about your legislative day, and we appreciate your time on

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Speaker 1: the big one.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you getting in touch with me. I'm excited about,

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Speaker 4: you know again, preserving lifestyle for Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you're welcome back anytime, and I suspect that

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Speaker 1: we will hear from you again. With that, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, home of the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Reds back in a moment.

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Speaker 2: Text listening to news Radio seven hundred w l W.

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Speaker 2: Hey we're back.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep Tom around for another week.

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Speaker 1: At least hopefully we won't have to dig him out

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Speaker 1: of a snowbank next time. I might have to pry

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Speaker 1: him out of a boat on the river or somewhere fishing.

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Speaker 2: I keep running, we might have to cross some floodwaters.

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Speaker 1: Well, I I need to apologize if I offended anybody

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Speaker 1: that likes pay lakes. I'm sorry, Okay, Uh it is

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Speaker 1: It's an experience and sometimes it's the only experienced fishing

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Speaker 1: that people can take advantage of.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I was a kid, I fished a

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Speaker 3: lot of pay legs leg out there and a million

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Speaker 2: But we didn't really have trophy catfish. We have fish.

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Speaker 2: We have big carp prout.

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Speaker 1: They could put carp in place side carp and we

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Speaker 2: We love to catch the carp. I tell we used

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Speaker 2: weedy bowls and everything. You know, so I have you

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Speaker 2: have lips like a carp four rods and reels, drug

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Speaker 2: in a drug in the lake. I know it. I

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Speaker 3: Well, Mommy's like we used to be able to get them.

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Speaker 3: And they caught him on a boo reflexes and they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they hit lures pretty good. There's no quid.

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Speaker 1: I know it, I know it. But I think a

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Speaker 1: good option is karp. Put all the carp in there

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Speaker 1: you want until you can walk across them. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: they have the cheap alternative rut there. Well they that's

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Speaker 1: before they got the idea. Okay, had Hey, there's bigger

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Speaker 1: money out there. All right, Tom, I'll see you next week. Okay,

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Speaker 1: with that chip hard, Tom crossed the Big Outdoors, Gary

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Speaker 1: Jeffs next, and Mike Gallen later on in the morning

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Speaker 2: Be safe in the woods, save in the water, and

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Speaker 2: go reds enjoying a healthy dinner that tastes great