1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Seven, six fifty five KARROSD talk station with a great 2 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Friday lineup on the heels of the FOP President Ken Kober, 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: callin Out Shenanigan's the Police Department Tech Friday with Dave 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: Hat Do we get Briga McCowen from the Hudson Institute 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: in studio fresh off a trip to d C where 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: he was in fact talking energy policy. I will strongly 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: encourage you to find his podcast where you get your podcasts. 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Charged Conversations. Joe Strecker does that one, doesn't he? He 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: sure does. A great guy, isn't he He is. 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: He's a slave driver as a producer, though, let's be honest, 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: he's a good producer. He's a great producer that requires, 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: you know, you heed his warnings and his calls. 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: You're going to have to do a retake. So Joe Streker, 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: producer of podcasts including Charged Conversations. Yeah, Brigha McCown's got 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: just an unbelievable background and energy policy, which is why 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: he was in d C and why the Japanese government 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: assigned you in like an intern or. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: Something they did from the Jackpanese Development Bank. 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: That's sort of. 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: You know, their government Economic ministry and policy and one, 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: and they want to know about energy security. So they 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: sent some folks over for seven weeks to hang out 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: with us at Hudson and figure it out. 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: Energy security by way of what the United States is 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: going to be doing, by way of pursuing energy production, 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: oil gas, nukes, whatever it happens to be compared to 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: the last administration. Of course, in the Obama administration, you know, 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: your gauge of energy security had to be pretty grim 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: considering we were not going to invest in anything that 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: provides reliable electricity. Was all going to be wind bills. Yeah, 31 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: and maybe hydro to the extent hasn't been used yet, 32 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: solar panels of course, and then unicorns. 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks for mentioning unicorns, because that is the magic 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: mix of things. But you know, in all seriousness, it's 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: a real topic. And you know Asian countries, but Japan 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: imports about ninety five percent of the energy that it 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: needs minus nuclear that it produces. We're so blessed, Brian 38 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: to have all these natural resources and to be able 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: to provide energy fairly, expensively and reliably. That underpins our economy, 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: our economic security, our national security. 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: And so. 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: It's something that i've spent many years on and while 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: I don't agree with everything any administration does, we are 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: on a much better path than we were. 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: We are, and I suppose we should probably just sort 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: of dive into this whole US power grid concern we've got. 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: I saw this article yesterday. As a matter of fact, 48 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: I had at my stack from American Greatness about Pennsylvania. 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: They're connecting and get their energy from PJAM Interconnection, which 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: provides power to basically all of thirteen states, including Pennsylvania District, Columbia, 51 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: et cetera. But they released an executive summary and said 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: that they need a hell of a lot more power 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: than is even available. And the big problem with this, 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: and I mentioned it the other day when you talk 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: about the Democrats scream screaming about affordability, and I mentioned 56 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: to you off air my outrageous Duke Bill, all things 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: being equal, it was a hell of a lot higher. 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: There's an affordability problem, but it's brought about by our 59 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: own stupid rules and regulations. It takes like almost ten 60 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: years to get an energy producing project like a natural 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: gas plant. There's no rocket science involved in that. We've 62 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: been doing those for years, but it takes forever to 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: get it permit you need it. Demonstrably, all these commissions 64 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: and all these industry leaders, the people who have electricity demands, 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: including AI facilities, are screaming out loud about the limited 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: power delivery. Yeah, but you sorry, We'll wait around because 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: we have regulations on stacked on regulations. Yeah, we do. 68 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: And that's one of the things that this current administration 69 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: through what they're calling the Energy Dominance Council, which really 70 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: just means let's get all of the federal agencies together 71 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: and figure out how to cut the red tape, figure 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: out how we can move more quickly. You know, it 73 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 2: used to be that when we wanted to build something, 74 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: the permitting the thinking about it would take about two 75 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: years and we'd get it on. That has moved to 76 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: seven to ten years under successive administrations, and the current 77 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: president wants to bring it back to eighteen months. But 78 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: a couple things standing in the way. Number one is 79 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: the permitting laws themselves need to be changed because people 80 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: have figured out how to manipulate the system, and it's 81 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: been manipulated not to make it too quick, but to 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: make it too slow. Because everyone has an opinion about 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: what they should or should not do well. 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of money to be made by fighting 85 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: off the building of literally anything there is. There is 86 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: all this green money, all this foreign money and influence. 87 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: You imagine what the Chinese Communist Party is thinking when 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: they see us enact legislation that makes it more onerous 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: and more expensive to produce power. They are laughing their 90 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: collective asses off, and in fact, they are pumping out 91 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: information that pushes us toward this. CO two is bad 92 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: religion that we've all bought hook line and sinker, carbon 93 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: dioxide plant food. You can talk about that, but the 94 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: idea that these parts per million are a problem. It 95 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: just makes it impossible to build efficient energy plants to 96 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: produce constant electricity. Period. They love that, Yeah, it really does. 97 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: And if you look back, well, well, parenthetically, while they 98 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: continue to build multiple coal plants, natural gas plants and 99 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: enjoy the benefits of nukew in some degree. 100 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: Yes, and let me talk about the paragrid in just 101 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: a second here, But I tell people, well, happy twenty 102 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: twenty six. Did you know that in twenty twenty five 103 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: the world used more coal than it has in any 104 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: year of human history. 105 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: Because we have more people and more people and more 106 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,119 Speaker 1: technology is more electricity. Plus, there's a lot of people 107 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: on the green side of the equation to think we 108 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: need to hook our cars up to the grid, brig them. 109 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: I know, right, there's a great idea. Well, and so 110 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: you know that grid. And by the way, China I 111 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: would give them an a plus and energy security because 112 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: they want it all. And people say, well, look they're 113 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: producing more solar. 114 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but we buy them, we buy them, and yes, 115 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: they're deploying more of everything because they want as much 116 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: energy as they can get because they get it. And 117 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: so you know, transmission lines are really the bottleneck of 118 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: a two point problem. The first point is we were 119 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: forced to retire our own coal fired power plants under 120 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: the previous administration. 121 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: Through a throat cutting exercise. The legislation wouldn't have shut 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: them down, but for the obligation under the law. 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: Yes, well, you know, if we need more power, it'll 124 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: just magically materialize. Except it hasn't. So right, so we 125 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: have a dip in available power as AI data centers 126 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: are requiring more and more power cars and if you 127 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: want to plug your car into the EV that's more 128 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: power too, And that was just supposed to magically sort 129 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: itself out. But those same permitting regulations that we need change. 130 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: You can't build a power plant either, and then overlay 131 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: that with a transmission system that is forty five years 132 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: old on average, not designed to handle what we need 133 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: it to, not designed to go where people are moving to, 134 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: not designed to connect to a power plant that has 135 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: yet to be built in a place where there is 136 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: no grid. And we have a problem, major problem. 137 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: And you know when you get to states like California 138 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: where these decrepit power transmission lines are hanging in dense 139 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: forests that haven't been cleared of underbrush, give a massive 140 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: potential for wildfires through the well, these power lines dropping. 141 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: And that has happened, has it? 142 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: It has? Indeed, I haven't read anything about that Brigham here, 143 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah it has. 144 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you're a power company in California, 145 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,119 Speaker 2: you are strictly liable for anything that you might cause, 146 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: even though the government won't let you upgrade your power 147 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: lines and won't let you cut the vegetation. 148 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: Still your fault, right, Or keep the reservoirs filled with water, 149 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: life saving water to put fires out, yeah yeah, Or 150 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: micromanage the actions of the fire department during major conflictations, 151 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: it's a real well. Anyhow to Brigham account, we're going 152 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: to continue on this discussion. We've got lots of topics 153 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: to go over. Nuclear of course, we will talk about 154 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: that energy policy by litigation, on and on and on. 155 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: You can find them at Hudson dot org and also 156 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: again Charged the Conversations with Brigham account. Find the podcast, 157 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: whoever find your podcast, and you'll stay up on these matters. 158 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: In between times, he joins the fifty five KRC Morning 159 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: Show seven fifteen Right now fifty five KRCD talk station 160 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: looking for a world class deep talk station seven nineteen, 161 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: fifty five krc DE talk station. Very happy Friday to 162 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: you spending an hour here in studio. Brigham account from 163 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: Hudson In's too. He's responsible for Charge to Conversations and 164 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: aim suggests what he talks about, which is energy policy. 165 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: An expert in energy policy, he is even so much 166 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: so that they called him up to DC to spend 167 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: some time talking with the experts there about where our 168 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: economic future, our energy policy future is going, and hope 169 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: to God, it's repealing rules, right regulations and impediments to 170 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: fixing our grid, to building new reliable power sources. To 171 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: meeting the demands of the general American public, not just 172 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: for some AI facility, but for all of us. I mean, 173 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: Lord almighty, you know what it's like to deal without 174 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: your Verizon phone for ten hours? What about if the 175 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: lights go out for ten, fifteen, twenty hours because they 176 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: can't meet the demands And that has happened before, and 177 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,239 Speaker 1: they talk about it more and more brigging. 178 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: They have, and there would be total chaos. Could you 179 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: imagine if we went two or three days without electricity? 180 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: Well, we've been through that, and like, oh they're storms, 181 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: storms that came through. Yeah, it's a big deal, it is. 182 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: And you know, energy underpins our entire life. We can't 183 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: do anything without it. We can't go out to shop, 184 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: we can't read, we can't connect bank, buy food, keep 185 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: it cold. 186 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: Well, someone had said that the other day was an 187 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: article about the power going off and how they were 188 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: freezing in their own homes because there hadn't been power 189 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: in a few days. And they had just gone to 190 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: the grocery store and had their entire fridge filled with 191 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: fresh And I said to myself, just put them out outside. 192 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: You're not going to have your grocery spoiled. Anyway. But 193 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: it is a legitimate problem. People die. 194 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: It is, it is, And you know it's interesting you 195 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: raise that point because climate activists will talk about how 196 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: climate change is killing people. Yet more people die in 197 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: Europe lack of air conditioning than anything else. Throw people 198 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: die if they freeze to death. I think you know 199 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: the metrics we've been a little bit off on, and 200 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: it is extremely important that we have affordable and reliable power. 201 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: And you know, I'll tell you aroun a lot of 202 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: the upgrades that have to happen, we're gonna have to 203 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: rear where that money's going to come from, because you 204 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: know those aren't free either. 205 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: No, you should pay for them. No, And it's in 206 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: furtherance of your point. I have to recommend my listeners. 207 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: And I mentioned this in my earlier comments in the 208 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: five o'clock hour. Worth finding. I think you'll find it 209 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: on OutKick. I believe that is a website. I found 210 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: the article from Ian Miller on zero Head, who was 211 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: reposted there headlined twenty years later. And Inconvenient Truth, which 212 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: is Al Gore's two thousand and six documentary, and Inconvenient 213 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: Truth has been thoroughly debunked, and they walk through all 214 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: of his gloom and doom claims and point out that 215 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: every single one of them has not come true at all. 216 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: In fact, some are The situation now is even better 217 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: than it was when al Gore was predicting we were 218 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: all gonna die. This is a load of crap, Brigham, 219 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: you know it is. 220 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: And I think there are well intentioned people, and look, 221 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: we all wanted to dupe. 222 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: They're useful idiots, Brigham. Let's call them what they are. Well, 223 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: they listens, got okay, they got misguided. I don't know 224 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: if he was making it up as he goes along, 225 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: like they did with all these COVID nineteen ten foot rules. 226 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: But you know what he said didn't come true. We 227 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: get twenty years to look at. And the other point 228 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: the article makes it, it's extremely valuable. One. He starts 229 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: with carbon dioxide readings in the nineteen fifties. The planet's 230 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: four and a half billion years old, and the furthest 231 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: back there, the farthest back they can go with like 232 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: bor sampling with Arctic ice, it's six hundred and fIF 233 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: thousand years, which still represents only a fraction of the 234 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: time the globe has been around. You know, we've made 235 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: it this far with ebbs and flows the carbon dioxide. 236 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: The plants love it, so I think we're gonna be 237 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: just fine. Plus it's so slow, this incremental increase of 238 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: CO two. Even if you think it's going to have 239 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: an impact, we will be able to deal with it 240 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: by moving and adjusting as time rolls on. 241 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: We have to do it now, absolutely, you know. And 242 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: one of the things I talk about is something called 243 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 2: the energy mix, and that is where do we get 244 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: all of our energy from? Right, And just like a 245 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: carpenter doesn't use a hammer on everything, I've tried, it 246 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: doesn't work. Yeah, you know, the energy mix will naturally 247 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: change over time as technology changes, as we have advances. 248 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: But you can't be at a university and draw something 249 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: on the whiteboard and demand that it happens. So I 250 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: say that molecules each policy for lunch pretty much every 251 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: day of the week. You can't just will stuff. And unfortunately, 252 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: this climate religion, which is what it has, you know, 253 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: has been the ruin of many people. And you know, Germany, 254 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this. 255 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: I am painfully where I followed Germany's economy and they've 256 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: done it to themselves. They're a cautionary tale for the 257 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: whole planet. They really are. 258 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: And uh, Chancellor Mertz came out I think yesterday or 259 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: when or Tuesday, if forget what today it is myself 260 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: and said, hey, we need nuclear power in Germany. That 261 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: was a huge mistake, thankfully, and they don't usually do 262 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: that to themselves and they. 263 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: Admit some mistakes. No, that's not very German. Yeah, it's 264 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: not here. You are stereotyping. We're painting with the broad 265 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: brush breakan. You know, that's not a lot on the 266 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: fifty five. They want to show you all those Germans 267 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: out there who are not who are not afraid of 268 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: admitting when they're wrong. Congrats to you. You buck the trend. 269 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you think about the Germans are 270 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: very efficient, they're engineers. 271 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: They used to have gotten it right. 272 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: But Nick Seville, Nick Suvill, not so much. 273 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: Isn't that true? Yeah, it's just it's crazy and you 274 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: know the weird thing. And we'll get to that nuclear 275 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: policy coming up. That's one of my favorite topics because 276 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, if okay, so I can't convince you that 277 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: you've been duped by the climate religion, that you are 278 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: a useful idiot. You don't believe that you think that 279 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: climate alarmism is a good thing and that carbon diox 280 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: that is a bad thing. The answer to everyone's prayers 281 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: then is nuclear power is nuclear. We'll talk about that 282 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: with Brigham Account, Hudson Institute dot org, Charge Conversations online 283 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: for your podcast and the best in the business, Fast 284 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: and pro Roofing. I love Fast and pro Roofing. They've 285 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: been coming up from the top of the our and 286 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: it is Corey Bowman. Yes, former maryl candidate Corey Bowman, 287 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: still minister Corey Bowman and still community activist Corey Bowman. 288 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: We'll talk to him at eight oh five Fast Forward 289 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: one hour. Jack Winsor, editor in chief the Ohio Press Network, 290 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: host of The Windsor Reports. 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Excuse me, so if there's moving 297 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: over to nuclear power since we talked, you know, generally 298 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: speaking about the needs, the demand increasing, the regulatory hurdles 299 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: that are impediments to let's say the seven to ten 300 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: years it takes to get a natural gas plant online. 301 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: If that's bad, the regulatory impediments to using nuclear power 302 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: totally carbon free, small footprint. They put them in submarines, 303 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: which have never had a problem. We've been doing submarine 304 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: nuke power since nineteen fifties. Bring them. How come we 305 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: can't have it ourselves? But it is a push now. Yeah, 306 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: the the green alarmists, while they never embraced nuke, in fact, 307 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: they rejected it completely out of hand. It's the ultimate 308 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: miracle to solve their alleged problem and they hated it. 309 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: But now because AI companies are online, all these billionaires 310 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: like Gates and others are saying, we need to be 311 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: able to produce our unpound power. They're really defaulting with 312 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: small modular reactors. They are. 313 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: And to your point, and as an ave I will say, yeah, 314 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: we created the first SMMR is a long time ago. 315 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: They fit inside a submarine, they'd fit inside fifteen fifty. Yeah, Yeah, 316 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: we've had nuclear powered guided missile cruisers in the past 317 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: as well, and today's nuclear technology very different from the 318 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties. 319 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: Years light years. 320 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: You know, I like my dad's sixty six Mustang, but truthfully, 321 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: wasn't that good of a car. 322 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. I made the mistake of driving my 323 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: ultimate dream car at one point was as thinking about 324 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: as a daily driver sixty seven fastback Mustang. Oh yeah, 325 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: and I got the chance to drive one that had 326 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: been rotissary restored affles. Now it's like driving the team 327 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: can bridge powers, no power string, no power anything, and 328 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: it feels like a death trap. Yep, it just on frame. 329 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: I wish I'd never driven its my bubble. 330 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: Ah, but it looks so good. But today's nuclear powers 331 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: nothing like the past. When people say, well what about 332 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: three Mile Island, Uh, well, which may come back by 333 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: the way, different start or Chernobyl, totally different stuff. And yeah, 334 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 2: so one of the things we've done, because you know, 335 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: nuclear is a little bit different than your average fired reactor. 336 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: It's all about creating heat to make steam to turn turbans. 337 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: Whether it is. 338 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: Whether using coal or nuclear power, it's the same basic philosophy. 339 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: And yeah, we need to cut the red tape and 340 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: figure out how to do this. We've spent the last 341 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: twenty thirty years trying not to build anything right, and 342 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: we can't do that. You know, as we've talked about 343 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: seven to ten years. When people say well in five years, 344 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: wi'll be all driving evs, you know, well that's pretty 345 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: interesting because five to ten years from now, the power 346 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: grid that's outside it's going to be the same. 347 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't fix that first. 348 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, good look, but yeah, so you know, one new 349 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: reactor they run, really they run about ninety eight percent 350 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: of the time, twenty four to seven. An average size 351 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: reactor can power half a million to three quarter of 352 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 2: a million high homes. A larger reactor well over a million. 353 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: So what is that equal? That equals let's see one 354 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 2: million homes. For a large reactor, you would need ten 355 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: or eleven million solar panels to do that, assuming we're 356 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: in the daylight solar panels. 357 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: And I understand nuke plants do require maintenance, of course, 358 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: like anything with moving parts. But you got to go 359 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: and polish and clean up those damn solar panels and 360 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: they fall apart. You got to replace them. That is 361 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: a regular, ongoing twenty four to seven kind of maintenance 362 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: upgate project. It is. 363 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: And you know, if you want to have some rooftop 364 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: solar or you've got a cabin in the woods or 365 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: you know, fill in the blanket. 366 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Have at it. 367 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: But it can't replace base load power. And base load 368 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: power means that amount of power that we need twenty 369 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: four to seven, even when you're sleeping. You know, we 370 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: don't go below a minimum amount of power. 371 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: That we need. 372 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: That has to be reliable power. And one of the 373 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: ways to do that, honestly, is with nuclear and we 374 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 2: are moving forward. No two reactors in the United States 375 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: are exactly designed to like. 376 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: Whichy reinvent the wheel every time they build one. That's 377 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: the problem. 378 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: Every car is different from the last one. 379 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: That's just crazy on. 380 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: The same assembly line. Well, there is no assembly line. 381 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to get to with these SMRs 382 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: is we license a product and we replicate it and 383 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 2: like plugging in multiple batteries in parallel, you can you 384 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: can put these things together. You need more, great, you 385 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: need add one, Yeah, well add one. 386 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: It's lego technology. Five years from now, you have a 387 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: nuke reactor and put it down next to the one 388 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: you previously bought. You can build them in the exact 389 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: same way and shape and form and keep them like 390 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: any other product on the shelf. I know, I'm boiling 391 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: it down to its basic terms. I am not a 392 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: nuclear physicist, but that's the concept. 393 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: That's right, and the ideal is it's scalable, less expensive, 394 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: and you know, you plug and play as you go. 395 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: The other point is, as you mentioned solar panels, which 396 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: have a fifteen to well, let's give him the max 397 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: twenty five lifespan. Lifespan a nuclear power plant used to 398 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: be licensed for fifty years. The new ones that we're 399 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: putting in can have an eighty year life cycle. 400 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: Oh well, that sounds like a sound investment. Let's pause. 401 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: We'll bring Brigham back to answer the following question. Yeah, Brigham, 402 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: but the reason environmentalists hate him is because the nuclear 403 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: waste map seven forty eight here fifty five KCD talk 404 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: station by the time, was a Brigham account. Hudson ins tout. 405 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: He's the host of Charged Conversation podcasts. He is an 406 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: energy policy expert. Been talking about energy generation in this country. 407 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: So we start with the fact that we do not 408 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: generate enough electricity. The green people stood in the way 409 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: of creating abundant, reliable power generation plants, whether it be 410 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: coal or natural gas or nuclear, something that runs all 411 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: the time and then can fill the gaps in left 412 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: by the windmill and the sun and the solar panels 413 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: which don't work for obvious reasons. And we were talking 414 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: about small modular reactors in the last segment. I think 415 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: that is the ultimate answer to all of our prayers. Again, 416 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: they're individual, they're small in size. They produce abundance of 417 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: power with a very small footprint by comparison to the 418 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: three mile island version of nuclear plants that we're around 419 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. Yes, technology has advanced and they 420 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: don't produce carbon dioxide for people to think it's a 421 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: problem with global warming or something. But then riggan, what 422 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: about the nuclear waste? Oh my god, we got to 423 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: put this nuclear waste someplace? Yeah? 424 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: Have you noticed? 425 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 426 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: And you may remember this from law school. When the 427 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: facts on your side argue the facts when they're not 428 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: argue emotion. 429 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, remember that? Yeah? Sure, yeah, So we're all going 430 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: to die. That is the it's the tier. You start 431 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: with your strongest legal argument, and that by the time 432 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: you're at your last legal argument. It's an argument about 433 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: a change in law because of public policy. Right, you 434 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: need to change the law. You're in desperation mode. On that. 435 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: You are in desperation. And I think you know, again, 436 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: this is not the nineteen seventies. We've come a long way. 437 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: But even if you took all of the radioactive material 438 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: from all of the civilian nuclear power plants to date 439 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: and we went up here to I don't know, Moeler Princeton, 440 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: take your pick and throw it all on the football field, 441 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: it would be less than six feet high. 442 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: All of it, all of it less than six feet high. 443 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: And we built that massive hole in the was a 444 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: Yuca Mountain out. 445 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: We did, we did which we haven't been able to 446 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: use because remember Harry Reid, that guy from Nevada, did 447 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: not want it. Yeah, not in my backyard. Actually worked 448 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: on that. I worked on the railroad design that was 449 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: going to bring that into the mountain. But you know, 450 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: there is some low level way, so I'm not including 451 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: on my football field analogy, but that stuff breaks down 452 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: very quickly because old reactors were not a closed loop, 453 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: so you would have some water contamination, very low level. 454 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: You know, if you go on a nuclear powered submarine, 455 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: which I've had the honor of doing before, and you 456 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: have to wear a dociminter just in case. My readings 457 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: indicated that I got less exposure for not being in 458 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: the sun. So, yeah, this is the thing. And the 459 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: new generation reactors, the way they're designed is what we 460 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: call closed loop systems. You don't get the volume or 461 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: the amount that you got in the past, and a 462 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: lot of it is now recycled entirely, so you're generating 463 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: very little waste. 464 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: Okay, very little waste compared to the complete totality of 465 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: all the waste ever, only being six foot high on 466 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: regular standard football field. 467 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: Not the higher enrich stuff. And yeah, it does have 468 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: a very long half life, and if we can get 469 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: to fusion, that's the ultimate dream. There is no waste 470 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: long term, it breaks down so quickly. 471 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Well, and then there's the question of enrichment. Now we 472 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: all learn from the Iranians what it takes to enriched 473 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: to nuclear bomb level. That's like in the what eighty 474 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: five percent plus range? Yeah, how much enrichment of uranium 475 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: needs to be done to get a regular nuclear plant 476 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: level fuel. 477 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, for most of these advanced designs, it's about three 478 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: to five percent. 479 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: Three to five, which is why when the Iranians are like, well. 480 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: This is peaceful, we're at sixty five percent. You know, 481 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: nobody should. 482 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: Believe that, now, A little bird told me at one point. Now, 483 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: the nuclear reactors on military vessels are a much higher 484 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: enrichment level because of the small space. 485 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: Correct and the desire and inaccessibility of or ease of 486 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: refueling them. 487 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: Exactly. You had told me off air that in the 488 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: old days used to have to cut a hole in 489 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: the side of the submarine every twenty years to replace 490 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: the nuclear fuel. Modern nuclear actors on modern let's say 491 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: aircraft carriers wait for this fun fact, folks, they have 492 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: a fifty year lifespan with the reactors, no changing of 493 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: fuel at. 494 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: All with the ones we're building now. 495 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: Yes, fifty years. And how fast does that modern aircraft 496 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: carrier travel in terms of knots? 497 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: You know, so I think unclassified it will say in 498 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: excess of I don't know, twenty five or thirty knots. 499 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: But let's just say it's a lot faster. Yeah, a 500 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: lot faster, folks. It doesn't really necessarily confidential information, but 501 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: my friends in the Navy know damn well how fast 502 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: those things go. And it is almost impossible to believe 503 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: faster than like your speedboat there on the Ohio seven 504 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: forty five right now, if you bove krese the talk station, 505 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: we'll hear from U. We'll get our crime stop or 506 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: bad guy the week right out of the gate. Then 507 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: we'll finish up with Brigha McGowan on energy policy after 508 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: I mentioned share Fax credit Union a better way to 509 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: bank share successful thanks to the tips from folks like you. 510 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: One more with Brigha McCown Hudson ins too. We've been 511 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: talking generally speaking about our ridiculous energy policies and how 512 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: they stand in the way of the demand that is 513 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: obvious and at and denied by no one. No one 514 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: can deny the realities of our need for electricity and 515 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: increasing need and it keeps going up a lot, most 516 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: notably because of artificial intelligence. But more people on the 517 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: planet alone creates demand for more electricity. That's how we live, thrive, 518 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: and svive. So with that in the background, knowing full 519 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: well that the green alarmists have polluted our elected officials 520 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: with this religion, what's the fixed Brigham cleaning them out 521 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: and starting with a new slate. I don't know how 522 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: you're going to convince people not to turn their back 523 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: and become heretics to the climate religion. But we need 524 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: congressional action. So there you go. There we are. 525 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, And like a lot of things these days, Congress, DC, 526 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: policy politics, it's all polarized. But you know what you've 527 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: said is one hundred percent accurate Brian. Energy policy in 528 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: America is no later, no longer made in Congress, It's 529 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: made in court. And so we have energy policy stopped 530 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: being made because Congress stopped making hard decisions a long 531 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: time ago. When Congress punts either a president fills the vacuum. 532 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: More likely the agencies of that administration fill the vacuum 533 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: with regulations. The more detailed regulations are, the more most 534 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: of these lawsuits are about procedure, not about outcome, and 535 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: they delay things forever, and then courts become the decision makers. 536 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: And look, I respect very much judges in this country 537 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 2: as a lawyer myself, but they're not equipped to make 538 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: these kind of policies. 539 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: Are our elected officials brig them? Let's cut to the chase. 540 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: Can Guam capsize My favorite illustration of the revelation of 541 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: the stupidity of our elected officials. I bet you not 542 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: a one of them knows anything about the realities of 543 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: nuclear reactor production or anything related to the dangers associated 544 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: with it, unless it's some opinion piece that some lobbyists 545 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: handed to them. 546 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: Well, there are people in Congress that are knowledgeable. I'm 547 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: surprised everyone. Every once in a while I'm surprised. But no, no, no, no, 548 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: you're you're absolutely right because. 549 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: All of them are not, and the vast majority of 550 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: them are not. But yet they're writing laws that hobble us. 551 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 2: They cripple us, well they are, and or like on 552 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: appropriations bills or the budget, they keep punting. And you know, 553 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: when you sit back, you talk to Democrats, you're like, well, yeah, 554 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: we need permitting reform because I want to build wind 555 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: mills and solar panels. You go to the Republicans and 556 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: they're like, we need permitting reform because we want to 557 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: build our stuff. And you get them both in the room. 558 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: You're like, guys, until we have permitting reform, you guys 559 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: over here can't build your stuff, and you guys over 560 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: here can't build your stuff. Yeah, but we don't want 561 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 2: their stuff. We just want our stuff. I go, well, 562 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: that's not how it works. And meanwhile, not only can 563 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: we not build energy, we can't build any infrastructure. 564 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: Get rid. Okay, here's the answer to the question. Got 565 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: your green side, you got your practical side. Both of 566 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: them want there permitting reform. Don't want the other guys 567 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: permitting reform. Your point is, get rid of a reform 568 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: all of it. Everybody's project can be approved as easily 569 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: as the next guys. Now, competition is in full play 570 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: with no government manipulation. Are you gonna build a solar 571 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: panel array or you're gonna build a small modular reactor? 572 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: And what's gonna give you the better bang for the buck? 573 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: What's gonna get approved the small modular reactor? Yes? 574 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: And you know what, you let the uh we say 575 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: this all the time. Let the consumers decide what they want. 576 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: If you're in California and you want five dollar gas, 577 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: then fine, you're gonna have five dollar gas policies. 578 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: Move there. 579 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: If you want solar panels in California, great solar panels 580 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: are great where the sun shines. You know, we tried 581 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: to u there were some people in Alaska said we 582 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: need solar panels up. 583 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: Here, like really six months out of the year on. 584 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: The side of the building, literally on the side of 585 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: the building because of the angle the single too right. 586 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: But then again, it doesn't it get like completely dark there. 587 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: It does half the year, it does, yeh, at least 588 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: it's very light for half of the year to depending 589 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: on where you are. But it's very dark that solar pail. 590 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: It'll better be at the right angle though, as you 591 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: point out. 592 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: So let's let's let's you know, use common sense and 593 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: deploy the best stuff where it works the best. The 594 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: other problem with renewables, as you know, Brian, whether it's 595 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: wind or solar is you need a backup system. So 596 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: you're creating two systems. It's belt in suspenders. It can supplement, 597 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: it can assist. 598 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: Why we can't take the one that needs to be 599 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: supplemented if the one who doesn't can be built without 600 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: that added expense, just build the thing that works twenty 601 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: four to seven and we'll all be happy people and 602 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: the price of electricity will ultimately go down. Bring them account. 603 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure, man. Keep up the great work. 604 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: You're always welcome here. On the fifty five Kresey Morning Show. 605 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: Find him where you find your podcast, Charged Conversations, produced 606 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: by Joe Strecker, of course he does, and of course 607 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: online at Hudson dot org for the Hudson Institute's work. 608 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: Break him. It's always a pleasure having you man. Have 609 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: a great weekend, and I'll look ford to having you 610 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: back in here soon. Thanks Brian, I really appreciate it. 611 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: My pleasure, indeed some fifty right now. I'll also be 612 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: a pleasure talking to Corey Bowman. Apparently he's going to 613 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: be