1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: He's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BZY Boston's 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Meat Radio. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: For those of you who are just joining us, we 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: have just spent an hour and we're going to continue 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: to talk about the same subject because I think it's important. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: There's a piece that The Boston Globe cleared today on 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 2: digital at six point fifteen this morning. It will be 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: and I assume tomorrow morning's print edition of The Globe. 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: The Globe reporter did a great job. His name is 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: John Hilliard. I do not know John, but he did 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: a great job with his story. He has seen the 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: video that shows that the Boston Public School bus driver's 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: eyes were off the road when Hyde Park Kindy gardener, 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: five year old Lenz Arthur Joseph was struck and killed 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: in that April bus crash. The little guy, Lens Joseph 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: had just gotten off the bus in the company of 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 2: his eleven year old cousin, and there is video on 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: the bus which shows literally second by second, this boy 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: getting off the bus, getting off the bus, and then 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: the bus door closing and the driver almost immediately starting up. 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: The driver knew or should have known, that he had 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: dropped the little boy and his eleven year old cousin 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 2: on the wrong side of the Hyde Park Street earlier 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: in that bus ride. This driver allegedly has struck one 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: or two vehicles, depending upon which news report you believe, 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: and left the scene of that accident, which was his 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: fault because he struck parked vehicles. It wasn't as if 28 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: he was involved in a collision where someone might have 29 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: run into him. He struck vehicles, never left the scene 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: of an accident, did not report it to his company, 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: and the company, which is a French transportation company and 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: eleven billion dollar company, Transdev, is now involved in a 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: civil lawsuit with the family. But I'm concerned where is 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: the criminal activity. We have a district attorney who is 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: Mia Kevin Hayden. Kevin, if you're listening tonight, you want 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: to come on tomorrow night. We can talk about it. 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: You can tell me all the work that your great 38 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: office has been doing here to bring justice for Lens Joseph. 39 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: Simple as that. I don't think there's a lot of 40 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: facts here. Apparently the bus driver has been clear of 41 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: having any alcohol or drug intoxication. That's out there. But 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: the bottom line is that there is a vehicular homicide. 43 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: At a minimum, it should be vehicular homicide. This guy 44 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: was driving. His certificate as a bus driver had expired, 45 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: so there's a lot to work with here, and they 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: certainly could have done something early on, taking a passport, 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: held him on some form of bail, just to make 48 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: sure that he would appear. And this is gonna be 49 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: I'm troubled by it. I'm troubled because if this had 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: happened in the town in which Kevin Hayden the DA 51 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: grew up, which is Newton, or the town where he 52 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: went to high school in Denham, in Noble and Greno, 53 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: or any of the other really nice cities and towns 54 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: around the more affluent suburbs. Let me put it like that, 55 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: I don't think would be waiting six almost now seven 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: months to get word from the district attorney as to 57 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 2: what was happening. I kind of understand it. Maybe there's 58 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: an assistant DA out there who wants to tell me 59 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: I'm dead wrong, Fine, bring it on. I don't understand 60 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: why this will take so long. I don't want this 61 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: little boy his memory to be forgotten, and I will 62 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: continue to bring this up periodically in my I say 63 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: heads hats off to John Hilliard of the Boston Globe. 64 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: I hope he's listening. I'm a big fan. At this point, 65 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: he broke down, second by second. Also, the cameras on 66 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: the bus showed that the driver apparently was not paying 67 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: attention at critical moments, which could have contributed to him 68 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: running over this five year old child who had just 69 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 2: gotten off his bus. Let me go back to Steven Bridgewater. Steve, 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: I held you over. We're back. You go right ahead, sir. 71 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: All right, Jan You know, I think you were answered 72 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 3: by question before I even asked it. I was gonna 73 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: ask what what ideas do you have as to why 74 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: it's taken this long? Like one of the first call 75 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: of it called said something about he thinks something's being 76 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: covered up. Do you have any idea, any ideas, dad 77 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: at all, as to what that could be. 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: Well, the only thing that I can say, and this 79 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: is mere speculation on my part, okay, is that if 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: the public has a very short attention span, Okay, I 81 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: hate to put it like that, but we're all on 82 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: our phones. We're looking at our phones, we're looking at TikTok, 83 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: we're looking at Instagram. I do the same thing. And 84 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: oh did you see that there was a picture of 85 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 2: the new There was a new gorilla or baby gorilla 86 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: born in a Knoxville zoo in Tennessee today. Oh, let 87 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: me send that to all my friends because I want 88 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: them to see this picture and I wanted I want 89 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: people to think I'm cool because I'm in part of this, 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: and I want a couple of the Patriots got hurt yesterday, Well, 91 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: let me let me send that out to my friend. 92 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: So we don't pay attention to the things that are 93 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: really important. What difference does it make to me that 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: a gorilla was born? Cute gorilla is a highlighted on 95 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: ABC News tonight. What difference does it make to me 96 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: that a couple of New England Patriots got banged up yesterday? 97 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: You know, look, I don't want anybody to get hurt, Patriots, 98 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: particularly Okay, I want them to go to the super Bowl. 99 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean anything to me. But this does 100 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: mean something to me because I went to the Boston 101 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: public schools. I wasn't going to Boston public schools when 102 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: I was in kindergarten. I never went to kindergarten. I 103 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: went to a Catholic school for eight years. I walked 104 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: to the school, never had a bus. So, but this 105 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: little kid's life is over because the bus driver, clearly 106 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: I don't think, intentionally went to hit him. And if 107 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: he hit him unintentionally, then the driver was negligent and 108 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: he might have potentially I'm not sure if the facts 109 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: would show he was reckless. But I can tell you 110 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: as a lawyer, you bring the charges. If you have 111 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: to increase the charges later on, so be it. But 112 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: you I think sometimes these public officials think, you know what, 113 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: don't forget about it. The public won't forget the public 114 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: will forget about it. I'm not going to forget about it. 115 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let my audience forget about it. 116 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: I feel I remember watching it on TV. I saw it. 117 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: I think it's not claim strong in my mind anymore, dear, 118 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 3: but I remember seeing it on the news. 119 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what happens is, you know, ironically, we had 120 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: a granddaughter born the day before, and it kind of 121 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: was a connection that that made me. You know, look, 122 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: I grew up in Boston, I grew up in Reedville, 123 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: I grew up in Hyde Park. These were streets where 124 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: where I played sports and I knew and this kid 125 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: is struck by the bus that he got off two seconds. Literally, literally, 126 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: this is what this story will tell us tomorrow. Within 127 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: seconds of the moment that he got off the bus. 128 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: Where's the outrage? People should be calling Kevin Hayden's office 129 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: every day, twice a day. Hayden was like an absentee 130 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: DA he's unavailable. I almost don't want to waste my time, 131 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: but I'll say it right now, Kevin, I went to 132 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: you law school. You went to be you law school. 133 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: I went a few years ahead of you. But guess 134 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 2: what you're invited to want to come on this show 135 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: any night this week, any night next week and and 136 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: explain what's going on in this investigation? He should Why 137 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 2: the hell is it taking so long? 138 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, you might never know again, I don't know. 139 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no no, let me tell you. 140 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: I will stay on this. We'll we'll, we'll revisit this 141 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: every month if we have to, and when Kevin is 142 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: up for election, we will remind the audience about this case. 143 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 2: Trust me on. 144 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 4: That, exactly exactly. 145 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna let you run. Steve has always 146 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: I appreciate your your interest in this case. It's it's 147 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: just tragic. This little boy is dead. He's never gonna 148 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: see Christmas. He's never gonna he's never gonna see another birthday. 149 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 2: And is anybody does anybody care? I care, and you care, 150 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: and everybody who's calling in cares. 151 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: So Dain, keep it alive, Just keep it alive. 152 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: Promise you I will. 153 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: You got Thank you. 154 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: It took me, It took me. It took me fifteen 155 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: years to find justice for Joe Silvadi. This will be easy. 156 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 2: Get heard that. Thank you? 157 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, thank thank you. 158 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 4: Bout you soon. 159 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Quick break, coming right back on night Side. 160 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on ws Boston's news radio. 161 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna keep rolling here. You're gonna go next to 162 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: Eric and Attleborough. Eric, you're next on Nightsiger right ahead. 163 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, hey Dan, thank you for taking my call. 164 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 4: Just one of the. 165 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 5: Interject with something that I happen to know about trans debts. 166 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 5: All right. The company adopted, or I should say, entered 167 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 5: into something called the Tent Partnership for Refugees in twenty 168 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 5: twenty two. And I can tell you that, you know, 169 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 5: the Tent Partnership for Refugee he's you know, it's uh 170 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 5: it operates you know, worldwide with UH many of the 171 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 5: Fortune five hundred companies you know pretty much big a 172 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 5: pledge to hire a certain quota of said, you know, refugees. 173 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: Now, we have no idea, we have the reason that 174 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: may be true, but I can't well I'm specific, let 175 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: me finish, hold on, held on, Eric, I don't know 176 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: under what circumstances this gentleman, Jean Charles was hired. And 177 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to draw a conclusion without you know, 178 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: some some substantial proof of that. I mean, I have. 179 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 6: No Yeah, I'm not talking about that gentleman like the 180 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 6: the perpetrator specifically that I believe is you know, taking 181 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 6: a look around, especially the last you know, I would 182 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 6: say about fifteen years. Just the deprecation of the uniformity 183 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 6: of the application of you know, specific you know, due diligence. 184 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: Right. But what I'm saying, we're talking about it. Here's 185 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,599 Speaker 2: the problem, Eric, We're talking about a driver who was 186 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: certificate had expired. I don't know his nationality. I know 187 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 2: his name is Jean Charles. His certificate had expired. That's 188 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: what I know. I have no nor do I want 189 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: to link this to any sort of a de a 190 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: dei hire because that's I don't know. 191 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that I don't I'm not trying. 192 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: That guy could be. This guy could be as much 193 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: he could have been born in the country as well 194 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: as you and I are. I have nothing to to 195 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: know about that, So why we even bringing it up there? 196 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 5: Because I just happen to know about the a specific 197 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: you know, segment of the population which is very active 198 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 5: online in the Twitter flash x you know sphere. Yeah, 199 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 5: if they ever calought windows of the company trans that 200 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: has a partnership with Michelle Wou, who you know, is 201 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: kind of known. 202 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: Why bring your name into it, Kevin, Kevin, do me 203 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: a favorite, don't, don't try to don't, don't try to 204 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: be cute with me. Okay, this is I think you're. 205 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: I think you're You're about ten feet off of first 206 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: base and I'm picking you off. Okay, it's as simple 207 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: as that. There's too much. All I want to know 208 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: is what happened. That's all I want to know. I'm 209 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: a lawyer, I'm a journalist. I stay on solid ground. 210 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: If we find out that there's more to this story, 211 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: I'll be the first to tell you about it. But 212 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go jump off a building without a parachute. 213 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: Simple as that, I appreciate your call, but I'll say 214 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: gonna say good night, have a great night. Eric, thank you. 215 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: Let me let me go next to James and Quincy. James, 216 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: appreciate your patience, your health through the news. Go right ahead, James. 217 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 7: Yes, Dan, I am totally appalled at this situation. I'm 218 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 7: a CDL driver, I've driven for over fifty years. 219 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: Good for you. 220 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: This should have never got past first base. 221 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 7: And I'm also totally disappointed in the community not being 222 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 7: on the ball and upset with it too, because, first 223 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 7: of all. 224 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: Thank you number one. And all I can do is 225 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: I throw it out that I didn't think we would 226 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: get an hour out of it. We're continuing to talk 227 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: about it. My audience decides what's important. I simply offer options, 228 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: and this one's really important. This little boy, five years old, 229 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: he walks off that bus in the company of his 230 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: eleven year old cousin. And I'm saying this. You know 231 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: the story, but just so for people who are tuning in. 232 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: People always tune in and tune out. He gets off 233 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: the bus within a matter of three or four seconds. 234 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: According to this article in The Boss Globe, he's hit 235 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 2: by the true hes hit by the bus. 236 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 7: He just got off right. 237 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 5: Unheard of. 238 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, no attentiveness to the road in either aspect of 239 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 8: traffic or anything. His eyes should have been on the 240 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 8: people that were getting off of the bus and successfully 241 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 8: reaching the other side, regardless of if he went and 242 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 8: let him off on the wrong side or on occurred. 243 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: But especially, but James, especially when you consider everything that's involved. 244 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: This guy had was involved in an accident where he 245 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: apparently sideswiped one or two vehicles in Mattapan just a 246 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: fast beforehand. Then he doesn't get this child to where 247 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: the child should be. Kyle is five years old. I mean, yeah, 248 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: I'm worried about a ten year old kid acrossing the street, 249 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: never mind a five year ox and he as opposed 250 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: to being absolutely certain that this child. So the hit 251 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: and run accident now pales in comparison. You know, the 252 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: side swiping of the car. Now we're talking about a 253 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: dead child. So if his folk, if he was distracted 254 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: by the side swiping of a car, which one gets 255 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: fixed for one thousand dollars two thousand dollars insurance company, 256 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: bad enough, leaving the scene of an accident, bad enough. 257 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 4: But now exactly you have the death of. 258 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 7: A child, Oh, which magnifies the whole situation. 259 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: Not in a world which you grew up you and 260 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: I grew up. James. 261 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 8: Oh, and it's sad. 262 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: It's sad. 263 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 7: It's very sad. Had it been my child, my grandchild, 264 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 7: or whatever, that guy would not be able to even 265 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 7: get home for the news. 266 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: Well, I understand, but I'm sure that you know that 267 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: we were what we're We are taught not to engage 268 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: in self help. That that's the term I learned in 269 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: law school many years ago. And we rely upon the 270 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: police and the public officials like the district attorney. The 271 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: public official here who I'm calling out is the District 272 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: Attorney of Suffolk County, Kevin Hayden. It's been almost seven 273 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: months since this tragedy, and we know except for the 274 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: story that you'll see in the Boston Globe tomorrow morning. 275 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: And my hat's up to John Hilliard and the Boston 276 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: Globe for putting this story out there. Kevin Hayden is 277 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: m I a missing in action right now? 278 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? 279 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, which is which is another slap in the 280 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 7: face by the communities. 281 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: Yep, yes, sir, yeah, Well he got. 282 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: He got voted in and there was a lot of 283 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: controversy around his election. He was appointed by Charlie Baker. Okay, 284 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: so I mean there was some cont diversary about the election. 285 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: Uh and there I think he actually paid an ethics fine. 286 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: I think it's a it's totally unrelated. But it was 287 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 2: not a cure as the driven snow political election, and 288 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: he ran against a guy who had some stuff swirling 289 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: around him. It wasn't much of a choice for Boston 290 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: for Boston residents, and he won. But on this case, 291 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: he has dropped the ball. They should have charged this 292 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: guy with something. You always can go back to the 293 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: grand jury and and increase the charges. 294 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 4: You know, right exactly, but he was he was let 295 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: go with a handslap. 296 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 5: Well hopefully. 297 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: And here's what my concern is, James. If there's no 298 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: charges pending against the driver, and I do not believe 299 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: there any Every story of Red says there are not. 300 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: What's going to prevent him from believe in the country, 301 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you you bring a charge whatever 302 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: the hicular homicide. If you're driving and you kill somebody, 303 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: you're going to be looking at the hicular homicide unless 304 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: the person jumped out in front of the car to 305 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 2: commit suicide. You know, they can always be an exception 306 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: to the rule. But if you hit someone and you're 307 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 2: not paying attention, you know, you get him on that 308 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: you make sure that his passport is If he has 309 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: a passport, it's removed in court motion motion in the 310 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: room to get the passport, so he's not going anywhere. 311 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 7: But exactly, I have no idea. 312 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: This one is frustrating, James. 313 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 7: Uh, It's it's ridiculous. It's it's more than frustrating. 314 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: And what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I graduated 315 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: from the same law school as this guy. We both 316 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 2: graduate from Boston University. I graduated a little bit aheaven. 317 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: But I know what needs, what needs to, what needed 318 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: to be have to have been done by this point. 319 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 5: Uh. 320 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm calling it out. And I got 321 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: to tell you one of the things, James, I'm more 322 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: than will I will call him as I see him. 323 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: And if this guy doesn't like me, it doesn't want 324 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: to come on my show ever again, I could kill less. 325 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 2: If he's a man, if he has you know, if 326 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: he wants to, you know, man up and come on. 327 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: I'll treat him fairly and I'll ask him questions. And 328 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: if he's got good answers to my questions. 329 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 7: With all of your callers, you give them so much 330 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 7: courtesy just to get your point across or to get 331 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 7: an opinion from the caller. And I truly give you 332 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 7: cohuesion about that because you've never you've never slapped anybody 333 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 7: in the face or been you know, indignant to them. 334 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Like you said, James, I'm up in 335 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: my newscast at the bottom of the hour. Please keep 336 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: calling this program. I need your voice and I need 337 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: a lot more voices on this one because if people 338 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: don't rise up and and when I when I raised 339 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: this issue, you know, the politicians will figure who cares. 340 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: You know, if if the Senate President and the Senate 341 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: UH president, and the and the House Speaker UH says 342 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: to the auditor, you're not going to audit us because 343 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: we're more powerful than you are. You know, we got 344 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: to support the state auditor there, simple, simple as that, James. 345 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. Thank you, my friend. We'll talk soon. 346 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: Call mem any time anytime. Thank you. Quick break news 347 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: coming up. I got Joe on the other side. I 348 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: got Jake coming up in Roxbury. That'll be our first 349 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: caller from Boston. Jake, stay right there. I want to 350 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: get right to you right after the news. 351 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 352 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 353 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: By the way, according to the Globe story tomorrow, Boston 354 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: police in the Suffolk County District Attorney's office declined to comment. 355 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 2: That's helpful. Huh, transparent? See it It's finest. Next up, 356 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: Joe and Lynn. Joe next on Nightside, Jacob you with me, Jake, Hey, Joe. 357 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 9: Thank you very much. I want to say that oil 358 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 9: is just as bad. Well it's not, it's terrible, but 359 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 9: this is horrible. I mean, people do stupid things, but 360 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 9: this is crazy. This driver should have been If that 361 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 9: were you or I, we'd be removed. And maybe you 362 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 9: can call the district attorney wherever his name is and 363 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 9: ask him why he won't come on the show, or 364 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 9: try get him on. Maybe BEZ can hound him or something. 365 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 9: This is horrible, and I hope again. 366 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: Get people to come on the show. Joe. But one 367 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: of the things I learned is that sometimes you can 368 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. 369 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 5: And so. 370 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: There are several candidates or political leaders Elizabeth Warren at 371 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: the top of the list, who's never been on this show, 372 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: and she knows that I'm not a big fan of 373 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: hers and that I would ask her tough questions. I'm 374 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: not going to sit there and throw softballs at these people. 375 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that Kevin Aiden's got is saying the 376 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: last show you want to go on right now is 377 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: Dan Ray because he's going to ask you questions to 378 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: which you have no answers. 379 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 9: He should be ashamed of himself. If it happened to 380 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 9: his kid, it'd be a different story. You know, it 381 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 9: could happen to you and me. Anybody could get hit. 382 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: A five year old boy who was dropped off on 383 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: the wrong side of the street, had to cross a 384 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 2: city street. I don't know what the traffic is like 385 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: on that street at this point during the day. I 386 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: don't know. I've never been there at you know, two 387 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: forty in the afternoon. But this child gets off the 388 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: bus and within seconds he's run over by the very 389 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: bus that he just got off. 390 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 9: What about a monitor. Those buses should have monitors. 391 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 5: I don't know. 392 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 9: There's just a whole slew of things. And I really 393 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 9: hope that they get that company out of Massachusetts, and 394 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 9: that company really gets clobbered because they deserve it. And 395 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 9: the driver shouldn't have ran away. He should have stayed, 396 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 9: admit his mistake, and that would he. 397 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: Stayed at the scene of the fatal accident. But the 398 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: fact of the matter is that when he i'd swapped 399 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: the vehicles in matt the vehicle or vehicles in Mattapan 400 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: earlier in the afternoon, he never stopped, never called in 401 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: and said, hey, I've had an accident. So this is 402 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: a guy who was pleased and his certificate had inspired 403 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 2: had expired in December of last year, meaning twenty twenty four. 404 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 9: Oh, we shouldn't have been driving, no question, shouldn't. 405 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: These are all questions that the DA has. This DA 406 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: is m I a here, and that's why I'm called 407 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: him out. Joe. 408 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 9: You know, one of the things I don't blame you. 409 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: You know, I do believe in one of my responsibilities 410 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: is to give people an opportunity to speak truth to power, 411 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: and and I really do believe that That that sounds corny, 412 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: but I really do believe that. Thanks Joe. 413 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 9: I agree with you. Great, we may not agree, but 414 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 9: I agree with you on this. Thanks. 415 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: Thanks, talk to you so let me go to Jake 416 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: and Roxbury. Jake, thank you for calling in. You're the 417 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: first person from Boston who has had the courage and 418 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: to pick up the phone and call in. 419 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 10: Thank you, Hey, Dan, thank you. I'm a little piece 420 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 10: of leather, but I'm well put together. 421 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. 422 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was wing me a little while back on 423 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 4: another call. 424 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 10: But anyway, I am a product obviously of Boston public schools. 425 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: I am too. You and I are the same. 426 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 4: There we go. 427 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 10: So I was one of those students that got bussed 428 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 10: out from Mission Hill to Brighton and went through all that. 429 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 10: And back in those days, we did have bus monitors. 430 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 10: I can't speak to why they didn't have a monitor 431 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 10: on this bus, because I've seen it. There's a big 432 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 10: company on the corner of Malina cass in Washington Street, 433 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 10: and they have the monitors there. 434 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: I mean, you're seeing them all the time in. 435 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 10: Dunk and Dornuts early in the morning and they ride 436 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 10: out with those buses every morning. So I don't know 437 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 10: much about this company. However, I can say it is 438 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 10: a tragedy. I can see that the driver, you know, 439 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 10: many moons ago. My son is thirty, so thirty years ago, 440 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 10: I worked for a hotel chain that gives you fresh 441 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 10: hot cookies in the morning, and I drove their van. 442 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 10: So when I was hired a week later, the lady 443 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 10: came to me and told me that they'd been notified 444 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 10: by the R and V that my license was going 445 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 10: to expire in like three months. She said, you need 446 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 10: to get this done. And so forty years ago they 447 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 10: were notified. So there had to be some system in 448 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 10: place where the parent company notifies the let's say the 449 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 10: subcontract of the parent company yep, and says, hey, listen, 450 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 10: you have these guys whose certic fit's going to expire. 451 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 10: So the only ship is on that subcontractor to make 452 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 10: sure they ain't that guy at a certain point thirty 453 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 10: to sixty days prior to exploration, to make sure these 454 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 10: certic fits are done. And they had no plan in 455 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 10: place to take care of that. Obviously, there was some 456 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 10: system failure that let this guy continue to drive unbeknownst 457 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 10: to the company, or the company just ignored it. 458 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: No that this company apparently apparently this guy had been 459 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: hired need the Globe article in two thousand and twenty 460 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: three May of twenty and twenty three, so he worked 461 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: for the company for a couple of years. His certificate 462 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: had expired in December of twenty twenty four. Okay, so 463 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: he was he was driving illegally. The company had apparently 464 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: told him, Hey, you got to get your certificate. And 465 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: I'm not an expert, so I don't know exactly if 466 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: the certificate was a CDL or what they're talking about, 467 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: but they used they used, they used the word certificate, 468 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: and he did not when he was driving in April 469 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: twenty twenty eighth, at the time of the accident, he 470 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: had not renewed his certificate. And I don't know if 471 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: he had to take a driver's test, but clearly this guy, yeah, 472 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: he was a substitute teacher. He substitute, excuse me, a 473 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: substitute bus driver who had, disaccorded to the Globe story, 474 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: had never driven this route before, right. 475 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 10: Regardless of that, he knows the ownership is on him 476 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 10: to make sure all those paperwork is up to date. 477 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 10: The company knows the ownership is on them to make 478 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 10: sure anybody they put behind the wheel is actually competent 479 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 10: and certified to drive those vehicles. So there's no you know, 480 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 10: there's no beating around the bush on those two facts. However, 481 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 10: if he had an accident prior to that in the 482 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 10: same day, he probably was in you know, the anxiety 483 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 10: level was up for him. He already knew he was 484 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 10: in some type of problem. Unfortunately, that child was the 485 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 10: victim of his negligence. And that's all it can be called, 486 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 10: because technically he should have hit them lights turned off 487 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 10: that if he had no monitor and you got a 488 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 10: five year old, hit the lights, put it in pop, 489 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 10: turn it off and guide that child across the street. 490 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 10: You don't move until you see that child on the 491 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 10: sidewalk somewhere. And the story. 492 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Globe article tomorrow morning says, at the time 493 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: of the deadly crash, Charles have been driving for BPS 494 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: with a state required certification that had expired in December. 495 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: Transdev this is the company. The French company alerted him 496 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: last year it was about to expire, but he did 497 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: not renew it. Officials have said. My question is if 498 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: he didn't renew it, why did they let him continue 499 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: to drive? 500 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 10: Exactly, they should have had a stop drive order for 501 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 10: this guy at the you know, at the yard. 502 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: I'm with him totally. 503 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 10: So, yeah, thirty to sixty days prior they should have 504 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 10: had to stop drive because you need to prove that 505 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 10: these cix fits have been renewed and you're in proper 506 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 10: you know, all your PaperWorks in proper order. 507 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 5: End up story. 508 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 10: There is liability all around outside of the fact of 509 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 10: his liability, which I would also say, you know, I 510 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 10: wouldn't what do we call that? Maybe I'm not the 511 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 10: lawyer type, but maybe just a manslaughter charge. 512 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, but well, the minimum the minimum charge 513 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: without it would be vehicular homicide. 514 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 4: Okay. 515 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: Now if you get, if you get and can prove 516 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: that you know he was inattentive and he was negligence. 517 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: If it gets to a higher level of negligence, then 518 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: you get it up to in voluntary manslaughter. The facts 519 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: of the case always drive the charge, and you don't 520 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: overcharge people. But vehicular homicide is a charge that is 521 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: absolutely appropriate in this case. And when you're charging with 522 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: the vehicular homicide, you take a passport away, you make 523 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: sure that he doesn't have a passport and you and 524 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: therefore you know where he is. 525 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 10: I think that the whole passport and the whole immigration piece, 526 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 10: I don't even consider that in this case, just because 527 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 10: what he did was absolutely wrong. So I think that 528 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 10: the court's automatically once they suspend your license, you know, 529 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 10: they let you know, you know, other if you're if 530 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 10: you're obviously not from him, you're you know, all these 531 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 10: other factors come in the place. 532 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 4: They should automatically look at that and well, you know what. 533 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: What what I'm saying, uh, Jake, is that if if 534 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: if you or I were ever involved tragically in a 535 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: situation like this and we were charged with the Hiculo homicide, 536 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: if there was any suspicion that you or I would 537 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: would flee the country, You're going to say, you know, 538 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: would make you know, we want to have his passport. Now, 539 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't know you know how long this guy. I 540 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: know nothing about his background, But if you're facing a 541 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: vehicular homicide charge, that might be upgraded. You know, one 542 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: of the things you as a prosecutor, you're going to say, 543 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: what's his background, what are his family roots here? What 544 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: are the chances that he would you know, if he 545 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: turns out he's married, he's got a couple of kids here. 546 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: That's that's all of those facts drive your decisions as 547 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: a good prosecutor, Jake, I got a run man, great call, 548 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: you got to call more often, simplest everybody. 549 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: I will all right, quick. 550 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: Break, coming right back on night Side. 551 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Boston's news radio. 552 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: But we go to the phone. It's going to go 553 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: to Florence and Groveland, Florence next time. Nice. I appreciate 554 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: you calling in your take on this tragedy Florence. 555 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 11: Hello Dan. 556 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 7: Dan. 557 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 11: First of all, I want to thank you for pursuing 558 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 11: this case, my pleasure, and I hope, like you said, 559 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 11: you will every month we'll discuss it. 560 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 9: Oh. 561 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I give you my word on that. I give 562 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: you my word. 563 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 9: Yeah. 564 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 11: The other thing is, Dan, this guy, this bus driver, 565 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 11: did not follow any of the legal procedures that go 566 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 11: along with being a school about strive. 567 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: He allowed, as you know, he allowed his certificate to 568 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: drive to lapse and was told by the company to 569 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: renew it, and he didn't renew it. 570 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 11: And he was not to let the child out of 571 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 11: the bus on the opposite side of the street. And 572 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 11: there's supposed to be for the drivers, whether it's the 573 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 11: large school bus or the private van buses that take 574 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 11: children to win Front school, that he is to see 575 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 11: that there's an adult there, a parent or a grandparent 576 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 11: to walk with the child to the house, and I 577 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 11: am shocked that we're not hearing that he was arrested. 578 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 7: He being. 579 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: No charge, is fied no charge of style, so he's. 580 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 11: Not being held accountable for all his wrongdoing at this point. 581 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 2: And I don't want people to forget about it. Problem. 582 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 11: Go get them, I promise you. 583 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, Florence, and I so much appreciate you joining 584 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: the conversation tonight. As always, you will talk soon. I 585 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: don't talk to you. Have a have a Thanksgiving, have a. 586 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 11: Good thanks I wanted to issue a good one too, 587 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 11: and have a lot of fun with those little grandchildren 588 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 11: around the turkey time. 589 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: Okay, they keep them away from the turkey. That's what 590 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: I got to Thanks Florence, talk to you soon. Have 591 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: a great night. All right. Let me get Will in 592 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: Long Island. Will. I'm gonna get you here. But we're 593 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: getting up on getting close to the to the to 594 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: the witching hour of eleven o'clock, all right. 595 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 5: Ed, Will, I'm just I'm just extremely confused by this case, right, 596 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 5: I mean, not just the lack of criminal charges, because 597 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 5: to be honest with you, we know that you know 598 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 5: you're you're an attorney, you're a defense attorney. Actually, I'm 599 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 5: sure if you took the other angle and weren't as enraged, 600 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 5: you can find defense here somehow. You don't know why 601 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 5: his eyes weren't on the road. You don't know if 602 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 5: he was distracted by something. 603 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: I mean, well, you know, you know the case now. 604 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there's much of a defense here. 605 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: You you you sideswipe another vehicle defense. 606 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 5: Well, I'm not making a defense for him because if 607 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 5: he had reported that my dad was a bus driver, 608 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 5: by the way, if he had reported that accident that 609 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 5: he had had when he sideswiped them, they would he 610 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 5: would have been probably removed from the route that was 611 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 5: not even his route to begin with. And then there's 612 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 5: really not there's really a lot of conflicting information about 613 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 5: this case actually, and there's really no information about the driver, 614 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 5: really very little except here's what's I don't because because 615 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 5: I see the civil cases of slam dunk. It's easy. 616 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 5: I was an insurance guy for many years. This is 617 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 5: there there. They're just wondering how much they're paying. 618 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: It's absolutely deep deep pocket French company, no problem. 619 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 5: Talk of these accidents in the past month, just you know, 620 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 5: in one in New York one in Texas one and 621 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 5: one of them was actually run over by his own boss. 622 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 5: Actually twelve year old. 623 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: Kid, that's what happened here. But this is a five 624 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: year old to get off the bus within a matter 625 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 2: of a few secs. 626 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 5: I live in New York where this has happened many 627 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 5: times over the years. Typically, you know, it's hard to prove, 628 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 5: and you know the attorneys, the the das don't like 629 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 5: taking cases that aren't slam, don't convictions for them. Right, 630 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 5: it's homicide case, well, a vehicular homicide case, though you 631 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 5: do know requires some degree of negligence. Right now, we 632 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 5: know that he did things if you. 633 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: Read the Global, if you read the Global article, which 634 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 2: would be in the paper and it's online. 635 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 5: Now, right, they did say that he took his eyes 636 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 5: off the road, but we don't know why he took 637 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 5: his eyes off the road, right, like before you brought 638 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 5: up and I'm sure you weren't assuming this that he 639 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 5: was on his phone, but you brought that off, right, 640 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 5: say that. 641 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 2: I never mentioned his phone. 642 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 5: You said, we get distracted by things, not him, per se. 643 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 5: What I'm saying is, when you're on a bus full 644 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 5: of fifty kids, there's certainly plenty of distractions going on. 645 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 5: There is protocol that he's supposed to wait for them. 646 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm talking to as a lawyer, now, I'm not a 647 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: talk show host. When this is as slam dunk a 648 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: case as you can have of vehicular homicide with all 649 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 2: of the exigen circumstances, this is a classic. The question 650 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: is do they get him from manslaughter. Has his negligence 651 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 2: risen to the to the degree of. 652 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 5: I've looked at some of these cases that have happened. 653 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 5: Most of them don't actually have charges brought, and the 654 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 5: ones that even do, most of these vehicular manslaughter charges 655 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 5: get tled down to actually be in misdemeanors, wind up 656 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 5: with no jail time, and wind up with slaps on 657 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 5: the wrist. This is what happens in a lot of 658 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 5: these cases because they're so hard to really prove. There 659 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 5: is protocol for what he's supposed to do. He's supposed 660 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 5: to count how many kids got off the bus. He's 661 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 5: supposed to see where they are, and he's supposed to 662 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 5: see where they go. And there's a lot of other 663 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 5: even going there. And I'm not even going there with that. 664 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm not even going there with that. What I'm saying 665 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: to you is in Massachusetts, if you're driving an automobile 666 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 2: and there's a collegease. 667 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 5: Don't think I'm defending them. 668 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 2: So I know that, I know that. But but if 669 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 2: there's a collision with an automobile and the individual dies, okay, 670 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 2: unless that person has literally, you know, has run into 671 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 2: the automobile or has driven a bicycle or a remotorbike 672 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 2: into the side of the automobile. If the automn there's 673 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: a there's a there's a heavy responsibility. If you're operating 674 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 2: a vehicle and it's it's you know, two thousand pounds, 675 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 2: it could kill people. And I'm just telling you that 676 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 2: my experience, and you may be may have more experience 677 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: than I do. I don't think so. But my experience 678 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 2: is that the hiculoh homicie is the minimum charge. This 679 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 2: guy should have been charged with within days of the accident, right, 680 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: and then. 681 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 5: They can understand that perspective. And but from being in 682 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 5: the industry, I've been in an insurance for many, many years, 683 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 5: most of the times these things don't lead to that 684 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 5: and the negligence needed to prove even in vehicular manslaughter, Okay, 685 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 5: most of the times those charges are brought because of 686 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 5: ouys at DUIs. Very rarely are they brought in just 687 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 5: accidents where you know that because you're talking about driving 688 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 5: them all. How many times have you seen someone hit 689 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 5: someone with He has been effect. 690 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 2: Driving a school bus without a license. This is a tent, but. 691 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 5: You know the certification, the certification that he needs to have, 692 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 5: which he obviously had at one point right when they 693 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 5: hired him in twenty twenty three. 694 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 2: Right, I'm up at the eleven. I gotta let you 695 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: run a good call. 696 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 5: Great, I'm not I'm not defending him. Please, he killed 697 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 5: the kid. 698 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 2: I'm suggesting you are. I'm not suggesting you are. Thank you, 699 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 2: good night. We're gonna stick with this. I got a 700 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 2: couple of lines six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, 701 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 2: six one, seven, nine, three thirty the topic that we 702 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 2: were going to discuss. I'll explain on the other side 703 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 2: if we I want to stick with this, keep the 704 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: lines going.