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Speaker 1: Coming out of City Hall today, locally, nationally, everywhere in

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Speaker 1: very happy Tuesday to you, Daniel Davis, Steve Divan, bottom

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Speaker 1: of the Error Curse. Of course, we'll be talking about

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Speaker 1: Venezuela as we will with my next guests, and it

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Speaker 1: is a pleasure to have him on the program. Christian

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Speaker 1: Caleb Cruzer goes by Caleb Cruizer, We'll call him Caleb.

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Speaker 1: He escaped Venezuela in twenty twenty four, but prior to

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Speaker 1: escaping venor at Venezuela, he was hired by Breitbart to

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Speaker 1: write a column called My Socialist Hell, which he began

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Speaker 1: doing in twenty nineteen. Caleb, it is a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: have you on the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Welcome sir,

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Speaker 1: good morning man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having.

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Speaker 1: Me, and thank you for being on the program and

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Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. It's so important that you were

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Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. And I'll remind my listeners as

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Speaker 1: I always do when I start out this segment. Inside

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Speaker 1: Scoop at Breitbart News, book mark the site Breitbart b

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Speaker 1: R E I t BA RT dot com. You'd be

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Speaker 1: glad you did, and you could read what Cayleb's been

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Speaker 1: writing about. Can I ask you it? We'll die have

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Speaker 1: obviously so much to talk about unpackaged with Venezuela right now.

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Speaker 1: You were writing for Breitbart doing the my socialist Hell

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Speaker 1: column from Venezuela. Did that present a threat to you

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Speaker 1: given the how crazy the administration there was under Baduro.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, people have told me that. I kind of

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Speaker 2: downplay it personally, but it was a huge risk because

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Speaker 2: I have this president. This is an actual story. Back

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Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, one of my neighbors happened to be

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Speaker 2: right offs at her home. This was covered by Brightboard

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Speaker 2: at the time. It was one of the few outors

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Speaker 2: able to leave Venezuela and safe and sound. She was found,

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Speaker 2: she was rescued. But I had that president already, like

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Speaker 2: with the regim because we're talking about a authorative regime

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Speaker 2: with a brutal, repressive apparacess that has jailed journalist that

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Speaker 2: has jailed people. Last year, they jail sixty elderly doctor,

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Speaker 2: sixty something year old doctor simply because she posted a

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Speaker 2: message on what'sapp critical of the REGIN. So it was

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Speaker 2: a risk, Yeah, it was. It was definitely worth it

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Speaker 2: to get the boys out there. And I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I'm always thankful to brag, but for giving me that opportunity,

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Speaker 2: because it was a very important thing to say, how

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Speaker 2: to tell the story of how things just how bad

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Speaker 2: things got down there under the maduro regyms and its

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Speaker 2: socialism policies.

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Speaker 1: And judging from what I'm reading about your life in

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Speaker 1: vent as well, and nobody better to speak about it

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Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that Bernie Sanders and the

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Speaker 1: likes of Sean Penn think it was a utopia that

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Speaker 1: we all need to emulate. Not quite. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about your mother who had who passed away in Venezuela

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Speaker 1: How long has this been kind of going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the healthcare situation in Venezuela is a complete disaster.

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Speaker 2: There was lamp and there are still lamp and shortages.

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Speaker 2: You just cannot you just cannot go to kind of

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Speaker 2: even in private clinics. That's just how bad things things were.

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Speaker 2: So my mother, she was a doctor, so I was

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Speaker 1: You know, not the interject personal realities. I literally had

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Speaker 1: At least we've got it here. Caleb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, but you got this. You got this.

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Speaker 2: I'll be rooting for you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for him. I'm not looking for Sybothy, I'm just

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Speaker 1: How do every day Venezuelan survive? I just it's beyond

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the situation in Venezuela has rapidly evolved unchanged

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Speaker 2: over the past ten to fifteen years. Back then, when

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Speaker 2: But they did first was implement weekly rations based on

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Speaker 2: for instance, mine my Benzula national edit card as in

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Speaker 2: And eventually this change into a system that doesn't function anymore, thankfully,

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Speaker 2: regen sort of maybe they saw light, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They ease some of these restradictions and now the thing

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Speaker 1: Well, you would think even under the least under the

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Speaker 1: a lot of the wealthy Venezuelans got outnder the job

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Speaker 2: Well, the way they do it is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: go out without your documentation let's say, passports, birth certificates,

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Speaker 2: At the time my mother passed away, she was undergoing

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Speaker 2: safe keeping. The way I left Venezuela because maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: Now I tried to do. I tried several approaches. I

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Speaker 2: to our father, who is an Italian man. This took

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Speaker 2: and we're here.

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Speaker 1: And in spite of the fact that you're now living

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Speaker 1: in Italy, you're still reporting on things in Venezuela. I'm

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Speaker 1: certain that you have many contacts remaining in Venezuela. Do

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Speaker 1: understand it, Caleb, about the reaction to the capture of

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Speaker 1: in the United States? What what? What do you get

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Speaker 1: a sense of from the reaction of the people you've

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Speaker 2: Okay, from the people that I've talked to. Dave told

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Speaker 2: me that everyone is happy, but you cannot express just

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Speaker 2: how happy you are because, Okay, Maduro is gone, his

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Speaker 2: same manner that you see all the pnessula out side

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I've spoken to some relatives and acquaintances, and we've

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Speaker 2: and don't make it. Don't don't don't go in out celebrating.

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Speaker 2: This is the smartest thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, I might pretend no, go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I know people that have told me no, We're just

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Speaker 2: going to pretend like nothing happened. They went to work

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Speaker 2: yesterday Monday, just like any other day. They came back home,

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Speaker 2: the rest of the regime.

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Speaker 1: I understood, And we're in a state of flux right now,

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Speaker 1: and I understand why the citizen room might not be

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Speaker 1: which is run. I know, Vice President Delsi Rodriguez is

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Speaker 1: gonna do. But she's currently the acting president. But the

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Speaker 1: Interior Minister, a person named Dio Sado Cabello, and the

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Speaker 1: they also are under indictment here in the United States

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Speaker 1: of America. Do you have any understanding or expectation what

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Speaker 1: those two individuals, Padrino and Dioso out of Cabello, might

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Speaker 1: do by way of response to Donald Trump's imploring them

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Speaker 1: to play nice or suffer the same faith.

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Speaker 2: Well, President Trump gave Maduro several chances over the past month.

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Speaker 2: They gave him several opportunities to leave the country under favorable,

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Speaker 2: favorable terms that personally, I don't think he deserved. But

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Speaker 2: it is what it is, and we will see. We

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Speaker 2: we don't know how they're going to react. Because the

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Speaker 2: it that way. The top brass is composed of several suctions.

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Speaker 1: Well, the entire world seems to be unified in their

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Speaker 1: Will they in state the properly elected UH president at

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Speaker 2: Well, well, as you mentioned, Delsey is the acting president

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Speaker 2: But we are that it's a complicated, uncharted waters scenario

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Speaker 2: perhaps can happen. And because the Elegy controls the military,

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Speaker 1: Well, and at some point I suppose the US is

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Speaker 2: The biggest challenge would be they'ls herself, because although she's

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