1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Seven oh six. If you about Garrison de talk Station 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Abby Thursday, Brian Thomas always looking forward to talking with 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson, So we get to do that right now. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Congressman Davidson. I certainly appreciate your willingness to 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: come on the fifty five Casey Morning Show and address 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: the listeners and me and answer the question is the 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: GOP going to give up on this whole shutdown thing? 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back Congressman Davidson. It's great to have you on as. 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: Always, it's always an honor, Brian. And is the GOP 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: going to give up on it? I mean, look, that's 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: been my frustration a lot of the gops fighting like 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: the CRS. What we're fighting for, You're like, nothing preserves 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: the status quo, like a continuing resolution. It's just yeah, 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: what you were doing, just keep doing that. So it 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: is meant to be a peace offering, a truce to say, well, 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: let's at least keep the government open while we continue 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: our negotiations. Democrats have rejected that, I don't know fourteen 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: fifteen times. However, many times the Senate Democrats won't get 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: to sixty votes to even have the real vote, So 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: this is a cloture thing. The real binding vote could 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: be later, so you could say, well, go ahead and 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: have your vote and vote for that. But if you're 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: opposed to the measure, you could simply say I'm opposed. 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: But they won't do that in the Senate yet. There 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: are signs that they might be willing to start talking 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: about doing it, maybe over this weekend. I think there's 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: a fairly decent chance by the middle of the next 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: week and the next week we'll get it done. You know. 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: Once they did shut the government down, I felt like, 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: you know, there's a decent chance that this goes past 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: the election, but it's certainly, almost certainly going to be 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: over before Thanksgiving. So that puts us in the window right. 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: Now because they all have to use an airplane to 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: fly someplace, and the air traffic is getting shut down. 35 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: That was the announcement yesterday. The sting is starting to 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: be felt beyond those who just been placed on leave. 37 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, you know it's felt because everyone has 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: at some point somebody they know well that's affected, I mean, 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: and members of Congress do because you know, you're sitting 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: there looking at your staff and they're looking at you like, 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: we're going to get this dumb boss because they're not 42 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 2: getting paid. So you know, you look at some of 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: these kinds of things where in our area right Patterson 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: Air Force Base is probably the biggest area that's affected, 45 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: the largest employer in the state. And you know, people 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: always say, well, why do we even have non essential employees? 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily a relative importance, it's just a 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: sense of urgency. Like obviously you can't furlow the federal 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: prison guards or the prison wouldn't work. But you know, 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: the procurement wing of the Air Force is important. Generally 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: they're working on longer range stuff than buying stuff to 52 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: keep the Air Force open today. So the people that 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: are working on say a project for future fighter plan 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: or something like that, they're furloughed right now. The military 55 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: people are at work. It's important that we continue to 56 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: do these kinds of developments. I'd say we could be 57 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: a little more focused and effective at it, but nevertheless, 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: some of those people are very essential and they're not 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: at work right now because of the timing and the urgency. 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: So you know, some of these kinds of things will 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: be felt in the long run, but for a lot 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: of people in their personal household. They're like, things are fine. 63 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: Can we keep this going? So we'll see where we are. Yeah. 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: At listener lunch yesterday, I met the first person that 65 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: I had encountered that was directly impacted. He's a guy 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: that was placed on furlough, and so I had a 67 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: good conversation with him. He didn't seem really too angry 68 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: about the whole thing. He's like, have you met anybody 69 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: who's been directly impacted yet? He's like, no, welcome to 70 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: the first person. So, yeah, it hasn't reached its tentacles, 71 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: hasn't reached that far. But when it does start interrupting 72 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: things like people's holiday travel, then you're going to hear 73 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: more and more angry voices like, wait a minute, it 74 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: does impact me. So if you say it's going to 75 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: be resolved by Thanksgiving and I think I'm in agreement 76 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: with you on that for a variety of different reasons, 77 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: does that mean the Senate Democrats are finally just going 78 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, we'll accept the clean resolution and keep 79 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: spending at Biden levels and then go back to work 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: on the twelve appropriations bills, which is what the whole 81 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: setup was for but doesn't the CR as it currently 82 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: exists keep the government open until some date in the 83 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: short term near future. 84 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the CURRENCYR expires November twenty first, So 85 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: the version that passed the House, the version that they've 86 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: been voting on, expires November twenty first, So it's not 87 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: really rational to pass that with that date. So I 88 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: think the minimal change that the Senate will do is 89 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: change the date. We were really close to being done 90 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: with three of the appropriations bills in the House and Senate. 91 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: They're generally bundled in twelve. There's no magic reason it's 92 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: twelve bills. Like you normally have military construction and VA 93 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: funding in one bill. You normally have transportation and hood 94 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: in one bill. I mean, so it's not like a 95 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: magic combination. These things are clustered. But we had three 96 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: of the twelve bills done in the House and Senate, 97 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: and there are differences between them, and there were conferencing 98 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: those and some of those meetings have gone on and 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: they're not necessarily fully resolved. But there are a lot 100 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: of people fighting to say, let's put those three bills 101 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: on with the CR and show momentum towards you know, 102 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: the parts of funding that are bipartisan, So there might 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: be some kind of face saving compromise like that, But 104 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: those kinds of things were already pretty close. And you know, 105 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: there might be out of the one and a half 106 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: trillion dollar list of demands, some things that were bipartisan. 107 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: I can't find anything in that list that I want 108 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: to vote for as a single line item, as a 109 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: standalone provision. But some of those things might be so 110 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: not toxic that they could be added to a bill 111 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: and wouldn't necessarily lose votes. Some of them, if you 112 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: add them to the bill, well you're going to lose 113 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: a lot of Republican votes, but maybe you pick up 114 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: a lot of Democrat votes. So we'll see. They may 115 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: finally get to that point. But for the longest time 116 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: that was the Democrats like, here's our list of one 117 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: and a half trained dollar demands, and they didn't want 118 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: to talk about anything but that whole one and a 119 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: half trillion. They might highlight one or two things, but 120 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: their goal was to get to some point. Maybe this 121 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: is the point they wanted to get. 122 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: Well, I really truly believe part of the strategy. I 123 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: suppose you can keep the government shut down that is 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: a strategy of some sort was to impact the election 125 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Do you think that had some measure of success? 126 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: Can give given the the outcome that was not good 127 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: for the Republicans side of the ledger anyway. 128 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you look at Republicans that are saying, well, 129 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: without Trump on the ballot, we have a hard time 130 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: motivating our voters. Well, Democrats are the same way. Trump 131 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: wasn't on the ballot. So how do you motivate your voters? Well, 132 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 2: they got caught fighting. It's clear they're fighting for something 133 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: other than the status quo. And the status quo isn't 134 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: popular with anybody. Nobody likes it because it didn't freaking 135 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: work it. So we're supposed to be changing it. And 136 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: that's where my frustration with the Republicans has been. Yeah, 137 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: we're playing decent defense. I'm glad the Speaker in a 138 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 2: lot of ways has kept us out because it's prevented 139 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: the Surrender Caucus from forming and saying, oh, let's compromise 140 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: even further. It's like, no, the cr was the compromise quit? 141 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: You know? 142 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: So if more people understood exactly how it got to 143 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: this point in time, there would be no argument that 144 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: who's to blame if blame is this key critical element 145 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: for this shutdown. I mean, you set the whole thing 146 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: up to take all the wind out of the Democrats 147 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: sales by passing the Continuing Resolution to keep funding levels 148 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: at Biden era spending. I mean that should have been 149 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: the end of the discussion right there. Or the CR passes, 150 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: you work on the appropriations bills, and we're all done 151 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: and moving on with our lives. 152 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the way I was designing. 153 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: I mean you look at it, the shutdown, it's like 154 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: normally shutdowns over like, well, we put some really aggressive 155 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: provision in this bill, and you know, okay, it's partisan, 156 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: so we can't get the votes or something like that. 157 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: There's nothing in this bill. I mean, now, granted we 158 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: passed some other things earlier in the year, and that's 159 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: what they're you know, upset about. I mean, whether medicaid 160 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: they want to keep giving it to illegals in some states, 161 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: food stamps for example, they're talking about that today. But 162 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: you know, those kinds of programs. We said, look, if 163 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: you're able bodied work at age adult, you don't have 164 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: dependent kids at home, I mean, you get to go 165 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: to work. Eventually, go to work, go to school, volunteer, 166 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: do something productive, just like you would expect a friend 167 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: or family member if you're going to help them out. 168 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: You know, you'd help them out in a time of need, 169 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: but you wouldn't help them out forever. And you know, 170 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: we've got millions of Americans that way. And the crazy 171 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: thing is we get millions of non Americans. There's tons 172 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: of tons of non citizens on this list of forty 173 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: two million people. You think of that forty two million people, 174 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: that's bigger than the population of Canada. 175 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's amazing. And you know, I saw 176 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: an article and I hope I get the facts roughly correct, 177 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: but I think it was during the Biden administration of 178 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: the asylum applications globally people trying to leave their country 179 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: seeking asylum in another country. In terms of the global 180 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: population seeking to do that, fifty percent of those requests 181 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: came to the United States. I mean, the only reason 182 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I bring that up illustrates that, yeah, we are the 183 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: destination land. People want to leave their ridiculously govern authoritarian 184 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: regime or communist regime or socialist regime because it's a 185 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: terrible life and they want to come to America. And 186 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: the problem with that is conceptually it may be okay 187 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: because as we get the benefit of all these people 188 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: and jobs and everything, but in the final analysis, they're 189 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: automatically entitled forever reason to hook themselves up to our 190 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: social welfare safety net, which isn't even funded well enough 191 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: to serve the American people who expect it. 192 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, a lot of people on immigration they say, oh, 193 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: let's just go back to the days of statue of liberty. 194 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: Give us you're tired, you're poor. Yeah, let's go back 195 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: to that where like to come here, part of the 196 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: condition was you get nothing. There is no welfare state 197 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: to begin with at that point. But even if there were, 198 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: you can't be a ward of the state. You can't 199 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: be a burden on the population. You come here, and yeah, 200 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: you get to be here. It's a lant of opportunity, 201 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: but you don't get your neighbor's money. 202 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: Exactly right. And there were no social welfare safety programs 203 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: when Ellis Island was running. We're overflowing with people. Pause, 204 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: we're being Congressman Davidson back on to ask you about 205 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: yesterday's a teriff debate for the Supreme Court of the 206 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: oral arguments there, and it does not look good for 207 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump if you can read the justice's tea leaves. 208 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: What are we going to do about that? Let's he 209 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: your boybouck about that. From Congressman Warren Davidson the talk 210 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: station seven fifty five KRCD talk station Brian timeus here 211 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: with Congressomme Warren Davidson talking shut down and for we 212 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: real quick here Congress from Davidson before we leave that topic, 213 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: and I got to ask you about the tariff situation 214 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: to the extent you've got an opinion or thought on it. 215 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: But is it possible that, assuming the government reopens under 216 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: whatever circumstances, that they are going to move toward the 217 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: omnibus thing? Or are we pass that option? Because that's 218 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: the kind of scary stuff the sausage making goes on. 219 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: With omnibus, you end up with a whole lot of 220 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: individuals getting what they want for their state and usually 221 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: cost the American tax bar a whole lot of money. 222 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: Congressman Davidson, Yeah, we're definitely not ready for an omnibus. 223 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: You know, we still don't even have all the details 224 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 2: worked out on like defense appropriations. That's usually one of 225 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: the big ones that gets a lot of detail added 226 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: to it. And we have a Defense Authorization Act that 227 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: needs to pass before we do the defense approbes. So 228 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,359 Speaker 2: we've got the three bills that's sometimes called a minibus 229 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: because it's instead of twelve bills, it's essentially a twenty 230 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: five percent bus, you know. So it's but those bills 231 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: have all passed the floor of the House. So these 232 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: aren't like things that haven't passed. These are these have 233 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: passed the House and they've passed the Senate and uh. 234 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: And so combining those in a conference thing really isn't 235 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: the same kind of thing as what you see in 236 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: an omnibus, because we did have the debate on those 237 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: bills in the House. We did offer amendments, and you know, 238 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: we know what's in them, and you know the realities 239 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: they are all big enough to go, Well, there's some 240 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: things in there I really don't like. And you know, 241 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: to be honest, one of the biggest things that I 242 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: want but we can't get the votes for is I 243 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: don't think the federal government should send money to any 244 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: political subdivision except states. Uh. And you know, it's a 245 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: vital lifeline. We don't really have an easy way to 246 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: operate today, like, for example, fire departments need direct funding 247 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: from the federal government to really hit break even if 248 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: you've got to. There's just so many programs that are 249 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: for fire for example, these are essential and they're they're 250 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: not part of and we want them to go there. 251 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: If you look at how this is broken, just you 252 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: put lots of tentacles to every political subdivision, and it 253 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: grows the power of the federal government. They're dependent on 254 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: the money and they're dependent on the policies. And if 255 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: you sent the same money to the state, the state 256 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: would then send it differently and it would increase the 257 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: power of the states and decrease the role of the 258 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: federal government. But we don't have the votes for that 259 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: kind of structural shift right now. 260 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, judgmenth Paul Atono predicted it yesterday said these 261 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: tariffs that Donald Trump engage in our taxes, he does 262 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: not have the power to levy taxes. Just boiling down 263 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: his general points. That appears to be the way the 264 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court perceived this as well. That the Emergency and 265 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Economic Powers Act in nineteen seventy seven, you can declare 266 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: an emergency. Yeah, but we're not in an emergency. This 267 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: wasn't a sudden and out of nowhere that this trade 268 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: problem has been building and has existed for well for 269 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: one hundred years plus, So you can't declare an emergency 270 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: for something that's been out in the open. If that's 271 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,359 Speaker 1: the direction they go and they declare these tariffs unlawful, 272 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: what's going to happen? I mean, I guess I'm wondering 273 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: what are the options? Is Congress retroactively ratifying them. But 274 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: since we're in the middle of a shutdown, I can't 275 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: really see the Democrats actually giving into Donald Trump on 276 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: literally anything, So that's unlikely to happen. How do you 277 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: see this unfolding being unpackaged? 278 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see any way the Democrats give the 279 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: votes to give President Trump the discretion to do a 280 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: thing like one of the no brainers that the Senate 281 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: Democrats rejected. We didn't get a vote on it in 282 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: the House yet, but it was if people are essential 283 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: enough to be at work, like air traffic controllers or military, 284 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: you know, prison guards, whatever, then the payroll clerk is 285 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: essential to so at least be the people that are 286 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: working right now. And so they're like, no, no, that 287 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: gives discretion. As the president, Trump has to see who's working, 288 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: and so he can just leave people not at work, 289 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: and so we can't do that. And so I don't 290 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: see on tariff's Democrats giving the votes for that because 291 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: it would allow President Trump to make a decision. But 292 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: that's what he was elected to do, is make decisions. 293 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: And look, we didn't have free trade before Donald Trump 294 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: was president. We still don't have free trade, but we 295 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: moved in that direction and the tariffs were leveraged to 296 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: do that. And look, I won't say it's not unanticipated 297 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,599 Speaker 2: that this would happen. I introduced a bill called the 298 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: Global Trade Accountability Act if this eventuality should get here 299 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: or whatever. The President is kind of reached a point saying, yeah, 300 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: we're pretty content with our trade negotiations. And it allows 301 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: the president to change terms with anybody for up to 302 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: ninety days at a time, and it doesn't say you 303 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: have to change them up or down, but you just 304 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: have to change them within ninety days, and then Congress 305 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: votes on them. And the goal would be country by 306 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: country or group of countries by group of countries. Then 307 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: once you've got some sort of deal locked in, then 308 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: Congress votes and you lock them in and now you've 309 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: got some level of certainty. But any future president, they 310 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: could come in and change tariffs or up to ninety 311 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: days at a time, and you could say, hey, we're 312 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: going to put a ten percent tariff and ninety days 313 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: is coming. The goal would be to use that as 314 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: leveraged say, look, we can either go up or down, 315 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: but we can't stay at ten percent. 316 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: Well, I guess I have to ask the fundamental question 317 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: the trade agreements that he was able to successfully negotiate. 318 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: Had he gone out into the world SAMs a power 319 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: to impose tariffs, but under his power over foreign policy 320 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: negotiated trade agreements with say some the Chinese or the Japanese, 321 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: whoever it happens to be, he could do that on 322 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: his own. The power that gave him to negotiate the 323 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: trade agreements he's locked in so far came from the tariffs. 324 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: So is the original sin of his tariff wielding increases 325 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: that led to a trade agreement? Does that negate the 326 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: trade agreement? I suppose that's a legitimate question to ask. 327 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this would just be the dumbest self 328 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: inflicted moment. Yeah, that the Supreme Court could deal to 329 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: our country. You know, could we do this a little differently? Sure, maybe, 330 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: but that's for Congress and the president to decide. If 331 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: Congress wanted to claim that power, we could pass a bill, 332 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: but we haven't. And Okay, you could say, well, there's 333 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: a standoff between Congress and the president and the court 334 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: needs to decide. Okay, maybe that would be the case, 335 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: but the Congress hasn't said we're going to reclaim this 336 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: power from the president. You know, there's people that have 337 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: said we should, but generally that's Democrats. It's party party 338 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: line fight, with the exception of you know, three or 339 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: four people in the Senate. Beyond that, it's like, yeah, 340 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: we want the president to have the power to do 341 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: this negotiation. And I forget which justice it was. I 342 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: think it's either Kavanaugh or Roberts who said, look, so 343 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: let me get this straight. Under the law, as you stated, 344 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: the president could completely cut off trade, can do a 345 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: full embargo for every country in the world. Right, Isn't 346 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: it seemed crazy that he he could do that extreme 347 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: of a measure, but he couldn't put a one percent 348 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: tarify And that was the that was the question. And 349 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: I think as they contemplate this that might resonate. And 350 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: the other part is just if you look at the 351 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: effect of what the work has been done in this administration, 352 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: frankly the last it would completely gut you know, this 353 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: administration's work in foreign policy, which is very clearly the president's. 354 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Round that clearly is well. I suppose Congress is still 355 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: in recess. You guys, have Kevin been called back to 356 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: work yet? 357 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: Have you? Yeah, I mean not for a formal session, 358 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: so most of us, I don't know about everybody, but 359 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: you know, I've been back, you know, not every week, 360 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: but most weeks I end up going back for a 361 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: few days. Yeah, I was there. 362 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not suggesting for a minute you're not doing 363 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: work or that work is not getting done. But since 364 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: you haven't been formally called back, you can't vote on say, oh, 365 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't know released in the Epstein files. People seem 366 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: to think that that's the basis for the closure right now, 367 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: and I just want to get that out in the air. 368 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Look, you know, my good friend and Kylie 369 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: Thomas Massey's get a discharged edition. It will be ripe. 370 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: And I think, look at they're going to get the signatures. 371 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: It'll come to the House for the votes. It'll have 372 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: the votes. But the real problem is isn't whether we 373 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: get another report or another set of files, or another 374 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: hearing or whatever. The real question is when is somebody 375 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 2: going to jail? And that's the question I want. And 376 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: one of the hearings that didn't happen because we weren't 377 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: in session is Pam Bondi coming before the Congress and saying, okay, 378 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: explain yourself. You hand out binders to the press, You 379 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: say there's lots of there there. You imply that there's 380 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: going to be these trials. And then next thing you 381 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 2: and President Trump are saying there's nothing there, and you're like, well, 382 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: please show us the nothing, because you with the binders 383 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: full of blank pages. I mean, the public needs to 384 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: know that. And I think at some level that's a 385 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: valid thing. Well, okay, since you're not explaining, we're going 386 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: to call the question. Show us the stuff. 387 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: It invites conspiracy theories and invites thoughts and comments, and 388 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, you can clear the air, release the dam files, 389 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: and let's move on with our lives. You know, maybe 390 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: there is nothing there and we can all say, oops, 391 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't drawn conclusions but all those conclusions 392 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: are being drawn because of the craziness surrounding the fact 393 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: that we haven't seen him yet. Congressman Warren Davidson, appreciate 394 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: what you're doing for the American people, and I know 395 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: you're hard at work and spy to the recess, but 396 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: I'll let you go to go back to the hard 397 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: work you're doing. And I invite you here on the 398 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: fifty five Cares Morning Sha anytime you want to talk. 399 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Always an honor of brain. God bless you and your listeners. 400 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: Take care of my friend seven point thirty right now, 401 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: but you have care