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Speaker 3: Oakley Greens and there's a ton happening at Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 3: you can stick around to watch FC Cincinnati, which won

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Speaker 3: last night Game two against Columbus, and the college basketball

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Speaker 3: about last night's one nothing FC Cincinnati went over Columbus,

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Speaker 3: is here though, who liked me. Stayed up to watch

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Speaker 3: the eighteen inning baseball game, Game three of the World Series,

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Speaker 3: and we both look like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't, don't, don't look or field great, but we're

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Speaker 1: but we're here to do it. Powering through right now.

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Speaker 5: I get it. I was feeling it. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: At what point were you like me, did you start

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: This is the only reason it was possible. I slept

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Speaker 5: In, I'm like, okay, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: I'll stick around to see how this ends, right, And

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Speaker 5: Sleep like that, because then I'm investing, because then it

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Speaker 1: When I moved from laying there watching to when they

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Speaker 5: Walk them, I popped up and I sat up on

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Speaker 1: Yes, they got me off the actual like, I'm not

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Speaker 5: I used to love when regular season games would do this.

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Speaker 3: My favorite part when the Reds would be in a

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Speaker 1: Not to belabor this point, but usually my dog will

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Speaker 4: Well, we're both feeling it a little bit today.

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Speaker 3: Rather talk about the baseball game last night for the

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Speaker 3: next hour, but we do have issues to discuss as

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Speaker 3: The youth and inexperience on display with the Bengals defense,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell myself that if they could just

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Speaker 3: there'll be a payoff and in December we'll talk about see, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Demitrius Knight knows how to tackle because he learned by

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Speaker 5: to try. I don't.

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Speaker 1: You know your your your skepticism is right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to discount the future careers of Dimitrius

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Speaker 1: You know, three rookies that are essentially out there starting

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Speaker 1: then they've seen that now, so they won't make that

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Speaker 5: It isn't a mission like this is it.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're doing, right We're gonna let these

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Speaker 1: And at the very least when Trey was out there

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Speaker 1: it's going to be up tomorrow on the trade deadline,

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Speaker 3: Demitrious Knight tackles like he plays defense like he's standing

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Speaker 1: Maybe boat football could be the captain, could be the

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Speaker 5: That's what he looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the I think that has been He got a

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Speaker 1: Had and the places and that it just takes time

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Speaker 4: Ark Carter looks hesitant, like just seric Carter looks hesitant.

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Speaker 1: He looks like a guy that just isn't totally sure

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Speaker 3: You know there was Derek Carter looks like you ever

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Speaker 3: You guys get to find out maybe what happened in

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Speaker 5: Guys, Nothing happened, Nothing ever happens in these meetings. It's

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this in the podcast today and

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Speaker 1: I can't I keep going back to this, Like what

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Speaker 5: The ping pong tables being taken out of the lock room.

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Speaker 1: Or the players only meeting like which which is more overhyped?

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Speaker 5: You know? Like this?

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Speaker 1: Ah, this is Hey, did you see how the Ravens

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a players. Players are gonna hold

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Speaker 5: Meeting that went into that meeting. And that's the problem

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Speaker 5: I don't think talent it it's it's talent.

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Speaker 4: And I said this to.

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Speaker 1: was all of these players that have come in, Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's philosophy, maybe it's whatever it is like that does

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Speaker 1: it inevitably right now feels more like it has fallen

446
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Speaker 1: on him than ever. But you know, it's it's just

447
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: such a patient place and it's so different than anywhere

448
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Speaker 1: else that it's just it's really hard to foresee that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it feels like there's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of those cracks that maybe haven't even been thought

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Speaker 1: of existing in recent years, just because of.

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Speaker 5: You know, games like Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that stuff, it makes an impact,

454
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Speaker 1: and the accumulation of it now over three years of

455
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Speaker 1: this defense being terrible because of all of these mispicks

456
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Speaker 1: and bad free agent decisions directly, it's you can't avoid

457
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Speaker 1: you can't avoid that to a.

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Speaker 3: Certain point, Was that the worst loss of the last

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Speaker 3: seven and a half years or six and a half years,

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Speaker 3: Zam Taylor?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think in the moment, when you consider

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Speaker 1: the big picture of this season, Yeah, but it's still October, so.

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Speaker 5: It could get worse. Definitely get worse.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I just I just think in terms

466
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Speaker 1: of stakes, things are on the lineing you've had late

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Speaker 1: late in the season games that have been debilitating. But

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Speaker 1: to have a game literally play out to every way

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Speaker 1: that it's supposed to. You play with the lead, You've

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Speaker 1: got a team that's zero to seven down at home,

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Speaker 1: momentum from Flacco in your house, offenses cruising, and then

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Speaker 1: this thing that had sort of been like been able

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Speaker 1: to be shoved under the rug a little bit for

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Speaker 1: a minute while till Flacco came in and everything else

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Speaker 1: is like, oh, oh, that thing that you felt like

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Speaker 1: you had maybe quite just enough by winning all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden just comes out and eat you alive in

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Speaker 1: front of everybody, and then you get booed off of

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Speaker 1: a field that you score thirty eight on is just yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of optics of it in the moment,

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Speaker 1: it feels like that. I'm not in terms of big

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Speaker 1: picture impact and stakes, because they can go out and

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Speaker 1: win a bunch of games the rest of the way

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Speaker 1: out and overcome that. But yeah, in terms of in

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Speaker 1: the moment that was, that's that's up there.

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Speaker 5: If not number one.

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Speaker 3: I haven't ranked them, so I like, I haven't sat down.

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Speaker 1: Got a full week of time to fill. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: i'll do that this week. Maybe get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do that on the plane ride to Utah

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Speaker 3: and then tweet it or something on SAE.

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Speaker 1: You rank that, and I'll rank all your analogies of

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Speaker 1: what Bengals defensive players look like trying to tackle, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll compare notes.

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Speaker 5: I've got a few more. Yeah, I'm sure you do.

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Speaker 3: and defensive tackle Mike Pennell has been released. He played

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Speaker 3: in eight games for the Bengals this season and for

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Speaker 3: about not a twelve to fIF teen minutes. When they

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Speaker 3: acquired him, he was going to be the big off

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Speaker 3: season acquisition. It didn't really take.

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Speaker 5: No, It was a whole lot of like wait, he's looking.

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Speaker 4: Do you see how he played?

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Speaker 1: He really solidified the run defense and did he no nothing,

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you did he?

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Speaker 4: Did he not show up at the players only meeting?

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Speaker 5: What did he look like? What do you think he

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Speaker 5: looked like playing defensive tackle? Hmm, it's a good question.

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Speaker 5: It's it kind of like an old man or rocking chair,

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Speaker 5: just kind of like, let me think about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the problem is I really can't remember watching him play.

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Speaker 5: That's definitely a problem.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, nothing about his time in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: Stood out to me. No, No, he sure didn't.

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Speaker 3: Evan Pryor. It's not looking good for Saturday. Scott Saderfield

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Speaker 3: today is said he's going to be listed as out

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Speaker 3: in all likelihood and the first.

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Speaker 4: Injury report of the week.

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Speaker 3: Bearcats on the road against Utah on Saturday night at

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Speaker 3: Blue Jay's Dodgers, Bieber's Show, Hey Otani.

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Speaker 4: They may play nine innings tonight, maybe more. Who knows.

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Speaker 3: LA up two to one after the Freddie Freeman walk

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Speaker 3: off in the bottom of the eighteenth inning last night.

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Speaker 3: and Blue are off today before returning to training tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Athletic and The Growler podcast. So like, we made fun

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Speaker 3: of the players only meeting, but I was talking about

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Speaker 3: this with Tony yesterday because Tony Pike played on a

559
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Speaker 3: winning team but where the offense was awesome and the

560
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Speaker 3: defense was atrocious. And one thing we've kind of talked

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Speaker 3: about this year is say what you want about Zach.

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Speaker 3: It has never really felt like, in some of the

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Speaker 3: darkest time that you've ever looked at him and said, boy,

564
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Speaker 3: the effort's not there, or that the locker room is

565
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Speaker 3: falling apart or things are starting to splinter. But if

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Speaker 3: that's ever gonna happen, chances are it's gonna be when

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Speaker 3: one part of the team is really good. And not

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Speaker 3: that the offense was perfect on Sunday, but when one

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Speaker 3: part of the team is really good and the other

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Speaker 3: is wasting its efforts. Should that be the sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: We worry about? Yeah, I mean you're I think.

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Speaker 1: You're always worried about that in situations where it's so dramatically.

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Speaker 5: Different, like it has been over the last month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also you know what I thought, I mean,

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Speaker 1: leave it to the wise, the wise man at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I thought his point after the game about look, you

577
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Speaker 1: guys need to just look to themselves, and what he

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Speaker 1: finds is just what you'll find is that the guys

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Speaker 1: that feel the worst about it, they care the most

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Speaker 1: about it, are the ones where they feel like they're

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Speaker 1: letting everybody else down.

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Speaker 5: They put that on themselves. It's not as much a.

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Speaker 1: Matter as the guys that are playing well, finger pointing

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Speaker 1: of look at these clowns. It's really far more about

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Speaker 1: the ones that feel like they're letting their teammates down.

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Speaker 1: It's the worse than if you just focus on yourself,

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Speaker 1: do your job and remember and he said this before,

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Speaker 1: I think when it's maybe his introductory to us, it

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Speaker 1: was like, don't worry about what anybody. Do your job, like,

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Speaker 1: no one cares what you're doing, man, Like, just you

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Speaker 1: just do your thing. Do do your job. No one's

592
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Speaker 1: worried about you. Everyone worried about themselves. When you do that,

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Speaker 1: those things tend to correct themselves a little bit. So

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Speaker 1: I think they have the right people in terms of

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Speaker 1: that in there.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I mean, it's only natural.

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Speaker 3: Sure, But I watched Jamar Chase on Sunday, and I

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Speaker 3: thought he gamely handled some questions that.

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Speaker 5: I felt like everybody was poking.

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Speaker 4: They were trying, Hey, you want to.

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Speaker 5: Take a shot of the defense. You want to take

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Speaker 5: a shot of the defense. You want to take a

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Speaker 5: shot at.

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Speaker 1: The defense, and he and he and he didn't, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about his maturity, and I do think that

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Speaker 1: he's come a really long way in that regard.

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Speaker 4: He was better than I would have been.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, yeah, I know exactly exactly. I would not have.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how well I've been able to handle it,

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Speaker 1: but I think you could sense him being like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to do it, Okay, guys like, yeah, I'm pissed,

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00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: I hate losing and all of that stuff, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to sit here and point fingers in the defense.

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Speaker 1: Even though everybody knows that I could, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you have that at the top.

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Speaker 1: It does go a long way to everybody just being like, look,

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Speaker 1: do your thing, go score forty time and try to

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Speaker 1: go win the game and understand that that's you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody's everybody's doing everything.

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Speaker 5: That they can, or at least you hope that they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: what what.

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Speaker 3: Would have happened if like Jamar is like I want

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Speaker 3: to come to the defensive players only meeting?

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Speaker 4: He allowed, Sure, let him in.

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Speaker 1: I think he would be I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: you always like to do this game. Who's the least

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Speaker 1: offensive person, who's the lowest level offensive person that they

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Speaker 1: would allow into the defensive players only meeting? Like Jamar

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Speaker 1: would get in because he's Jamar. He can goa t

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Speaker 1: burrow like Flacco. They they could come in there. What

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Speaker 1: at what point is it? Like is it like Yoshi

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Speaker 1: Pok poking his head in the door, like hey.

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Speaker 3: Guys, No, I like, I don't know that guy's got

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Speaker 3: problems with his own No A fan, no a fan.

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Speaker 5: That's the line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a veteran, Yes, so he should be allowed

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Speaker 1: in to come say something.

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Speaker 3: He would be like allowed to poke his head in,

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Speaker 3: poke his head in, but not attend and They're like,

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Speaker 3: but hey, Tanner's got to stay outside, right, like they

641
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Speaker 3: would let like you would think they would like Keris,

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Speaker 3: they would let Orlando Brown, right, those guys right, But

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Speaker 3: but anybody else I think would be told.

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Speaker 4: No, I hate meetings.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I have a job in radio.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't have to get dressed up and because

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Speaker 3: I don't have to go to meetings. When there are meetings,

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Speaker 3: I asked the same question every single time. Will there

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Speaker 3: be snacks? Will there be I've worked for people who

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Speaker 3: are like, all right, well we have to have a meeting. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna ask do you think they had snacks?

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Speaker 5: No? Booze definitely not. Okay, I'm not going I feel

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Speaker 5: like I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like maybe there was uh imprompt to Sunday night meeting

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Speaker 1: with Booze.

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Speaker 5: Probably, I would imagine.

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Speaker 3: Now here's the one thing about the team offensively, they're

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Speaker 3: like a decent running team.

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Speaker 5: Now decent how about this?

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Speaker 1: So we had we had Justin Hill, running backs coach,

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Speaker 1: on the Rewatch Show Monday, and I went through just

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Speaker 1: parsing out the last month. And so in the month

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Speaker 1: of October, the Bengals had the number one rushing offense

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. In terms of efficiency success, right, and

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Speaker 1: now they're all they do is get explosives. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: It's and it's p Ryan too well. They've found a

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Speaker 1: really nice mix. I think Samaje, you know, the nature

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Speaker 1: of the way they use him, their tendency with him

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Speaker 1: of when he's out there, he's going to be in

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Speaker 1: pass pro standing next to Flacco now and you just

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Speaker 1: kind of there look pass and especially the way they

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Speaker 1: use the receivers on outside the numbers and stuff.

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Speaker 5: You can find those alleys.

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Speaker 1: Up and they have made a living off of these

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Speaker 1: p RN middle runs on second long which I know

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Speaker 1: you love second long runs, and they've they've found explosives

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Speaker 1: out of them, they've found efficient runs out of them.

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Speaker 1: He's he's had this kind of downhill power thing that

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Speaker 1: helps those be efficient to get your third and five

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Speaker 1: or six, which Flacco has been really good at.

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Speaker 5: And so when you have that, like, it's made for

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Speaker 5: a nice one too.

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Speaker 1: I would not have thought before the season that you

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Speaker 1: would have had him carve out this much of a

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Speaker 1: role with Chase Brown had taken as much as strides

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Speaker 1: as he had. But I think he's helped Chase Brown

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Speaker 1: because Chase Brown looks fresh and explosive when he's out there.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't not that he would wear down, but he

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Speaker 1: certainly looks fresh and with with a lot of energy.

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Speaker 1: And they just kind of created a nice, a nice combo.

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Speaker 1: And that was my question for Justin Hill. I said,

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Speaker 1: if if I talk to you on the flight back

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Speaker 1: from Denver on Monday night football and said, guess what,

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Speaker 1: over the next month, you're going to have the number

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Speaker 1: one rushing offense in football by efficiency, what would you

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Speaker 1: And He's just like, you know, they have had such

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Speaker 1: an uphill climb to get to that point. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that there's you know that it's a kudos to

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Speaker 1: that group because that looked dead in the water.

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Speaker 5: You talk about historically awful.

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Speaker 1: Yes, maybe that's something as we try to spend this

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Speaker 1: hour finding things to latch onto. If you can do

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Speaker 1: that with the run game, then maybe you can do

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Speaker 1: something with the defense going from historically awful. But the

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Speaker 1: problem is there's not one person that can come in

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Speaker 1: and really change the entire dynamic of the defense like

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco did for the offense.

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Speaker 3: Also was seven minutes to go and you're gashing them

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Speaker 3: on the ground. The previous drive. They were awesome on

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Speaker 3: the ground, and you're trying to kill some clock, salt

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Speaker 3: the game away. Could you call a running play?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think between that and I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: I know I've seen the less drive, second and ten

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Speaker 1: run getting beat up a little bit. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: a problem with that. I mean the timing before it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love the amount of time that they let run off.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't have a problem because they had been

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Speaker 1: getting explosives out of it, and they were only a

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Speaker 1: couple of first downs with multiple timeouts left away from

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Speaker 1: getting into field goal range. I understand the hesitation of

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Speaker 1: being like, you know, really when it gets one yard,

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Speaker 1: but they had had so many productive runs like that

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Speaker 1: in that situation, and you had to feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you've got the defense. Maybe thinking past as well, you

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Speaker 1: could pop another one of those. They had just popped

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Speaker 1: them with Chase Brown. That didn't bother me as much.

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Speaker 1: Tony brought this up yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Fourth down. Your quarterback was just in the locker room.

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Speaker 3: The game and the season are hanging in the balance.

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Speaker 3: You don't call one of those timeouts to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: The look I like you needed them. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 3: mean it doesn't matter if you don't convert.

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Speaker 5: I understand.

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Speaker 3: Just give your quarterback a chance to catch his breath.

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Speaker 3: Tell Andre, let's put some stick them on the gloves

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Speaker 3: or something like the second down run.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, and needs to get separation more

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Speaker 1: than I would fall. I would follow him for the

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Speaker 1: route more than the catch more. But they're both I

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Speaker 1: mean they're pile to him. I mean, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was the moment they missed Kasiki, the one moment they

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Speaker 1: miss Kasiki more than anything where you get the double

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Speaker 1: double beater where Gasiki against a linebacker, he just is

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Speaker 1: beating people off the line. He's getting free, whereas Yoshi

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Speaker 1: got caught up, couldn't get free, couldn't get that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is I you know, that's a Gasiki ball if

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen one. And so I thought that was

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Speaker 1: the first moment since he's gone down that it felt

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Speaker 1: glaring that they were missing him, and they have been,

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Speaker 1: because you know, you've seen the Yoshi. Stuff that's happened

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Speaker 1: that hasn't been catching up is stuff that would be

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Speaker 1: uh would be directed to Mike.

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Speaker 5: I thought about Jermaine Burton really yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean because if if you're if.

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Speaker 5: Because you wanted to break walls in your house.

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Speaker 3: No, because if you're frustrated with Andre Joshavas, you go, okay,

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Speaker 3: well who else is there?

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Speaker 4: The answer should be a do you use a third

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Speaker 4: round pick on?

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Speaker 5: Last year?

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Speaker 3: I know he's the lowest of all low hanging fruits,

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Speaker 3: but like the Andre Yoshavas conversation has kind of picked

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Speaker 3: up steam, and I get it is having a hard

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Speaker 3: time getting open, but I feel like he's kind of

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Speaker 3: being cast in a role that he shouldn't be in

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Speaker 3: because of their failures, because of the Kasiki.

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Speaker 5: Being hurt and being Jamaine Burton, right, I mean it's

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Speaker 5: that problem is not going anywhere.

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Speaker 4: How many wins will it take to win the AFC North?

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Speaker 5: I think nine in a tie break?

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Speaker 3: Can the Bengals get to sure? Think so, yeah, got

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Speaker 3: goes six and two right the rest of the way?

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Speaker 3: What's six and five? I mean, yeah, six and three

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Speaker 3: the rest of the way. Yeah, I mean it's you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not great. I don't can I mean sure, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. It doesn't feel great obviously, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think that their defense is gonna get bad. I went

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Speaker 3: I did the work of looking at the last ten years,

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Speaker 3: the teams that were in this bottom fifteen worst defensive

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Speaker 3: suiting the first half of the season over the last

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Speaker 3: ten years. Bengals are in there, Cowboys this year in there,

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Speaker 3: And I would just look at those teams, looked at

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Speaker 3: where they all ended. You don't want to know it

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Speaker 3: doesn't get better. How about this, Almost all.

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Speaker 1: Of them still ended up in the bottom three defensively

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Speaker 1: after their first tech. Something that the improvement, like the

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Speaker 1: idea of it improving dramatically. Maybe you get a little bit,

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Speaker 1: you can maybe get up into the like twenty five

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Speaker 1: twenty four area, but like you're you're probably gonna still

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Speaker 1: have the worst defensive football.

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Speaker 3: If they score one more point than the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 3: on Sunday, that's what everybody's gonna talk about for two weeks.

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Speaker 3: When you know they've survived this, they're a game under

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Speaker 3: at the bys, do some self scouting, some self scout,

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Speaker 3: right scout, do some self scouting, get to buy and

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Speaker 3: come back beat the Steelers once.

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Speaker 1: Sure, it don't look like world beaters. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody looks like world beaters. I think we've

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Speaker 1: now reached to the point where Vegas is looking at

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Speaker 1: us all like, we told you, Yes, the Ravens, we

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Speaker 1: told you the ravens. Okay, that went over Chicago by

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Speaker 1: the by Snoop Puntley. Yes, is going to turn out

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Speaker 1: to be massive. Yes, because they could have fallen to

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Speaker 1: one and six, and we know how that math goes. Now,

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Speaker 1: now the doors open, the doors open, Lamar's back and

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Speaker 1: their schedule. They have a chance to really go on

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Speaker 1: a run here and they you know, they can be

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Speaker 1: and and the fact that Pittsburgh has come back to

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Speaker 1: the pack opens the door for them to come right

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Speaker 1: back into it. Whereas it would have felt like, man,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's one loss too many. If the Bears take

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Speaker 1: them out in Baltimore, we may look back at that as.

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Speaker 5: Something well, thank you as always. Yeah, it was great,

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Speaker 5: It was really was. It really was great for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get to get stuff off my chest. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: get your analysis of things. I don't feel any better sometimes.

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Speaker 3: I like we tried though. Look, I felt like we

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Speaker 3: really tried today. We tried to latch onto some things.

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Speaker 3: We tried to find something to help people. Yeah, we

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Speaker 3: don't want people to have their dabbers down all the time.

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Speaker 5: No, we're trying.

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Speaker 3: I don't want down all the time. No, pick it up,

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Speaker 3: let's go. And the thing is, like I did, we

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Speaker 3: did fifty two minutes. And I badly want to make

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Speaker 3: fun of Corey Dylon, but I'm not even gonna make

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Speaker 3: you do that.

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Speaker 5: Oh I wouldn't mind. Well, no, I'm not. No, I

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Speaker 5: mean his I.

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Speaker 1: What I pre Here's what I appreciate about Corey Dillon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he has never been anything other than on brand. Like

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Speaker 1: at every turn, this is who Corey is. Yes, he's

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Speaker 1: just he's he's gonna be angry, he's gonna be mad

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Speaker 1: about stuff. He's gonna feel disrespected, often delusionally, sometimes rightfully.

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Speaker 4: In this instance, it's not rightfully.

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Speaker 5: It's not right. Understand. I know it's not rightfully in

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Speaker 5: the sistance.

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Speaker 1: But over the course of all the way back to

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Speaker 1: Corey as a player, to the time that he went

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Speaker 1: off to me and and you know, I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: what do you want me to do with this? He said,

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Speaker 1: print it, print every word of it. I did, And

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Speaker 1: then there was this tour about how I shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: done that. You know that that happened, and it's like

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Speaker 1: this is this is kind of this is just kind

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Speaker 1: of what it is. And and if you've decide that

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Speaker 1: you want to be disrespected and that's going to be

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Speaker 1: part of your personality, I think that's part of Corey's personality.

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Speaker 5: I've liked Corey, Like every.

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Speaker 1: Time I have talked to Corey met Corey interviewed one of.

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Speaker 5: My favorite guests, whoever, he's this Austen phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: I hate that this stuff repeatedly seems to happen where

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Speaker 1: it's always got to be so have so much animosity,

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Speaker 1: but you know, so so it goes.

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Speaker 5: I think it's just kind of it's consistent. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's remarkable.

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Speaker 1: It's consistent over over every aspect and every every portion

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Speaker 1: of his career.

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Speaker 5: All Right, we have to go.

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Speaker 8: also an accident on Alexandria Pike at Constable Drive on

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Speaker 8: at Ezelic with traffic.

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Speaker 5: This report is spun