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Speaker 2: That's up. It's a five that for three. This is

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty on Molegger. Thanks for listening. My thanks

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Speaker 2: to Chad Brendo for pinch hitting yesterday as well as

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Speaker 2: last Thursday and Friday. It is awesome to be back.

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Speaker 2: And holy hell, do we have a billion things to discuss.

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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior is here. It's day two of NFL

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Speaker 2: legal tampering. The Bengals have done stuff. What else may

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Speaker 2: they do? We will discuss with Paul also a little

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Speaker 2: bit later on well, we'll tackle the Hunter Green situation

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Speaker 2: where he's gonna miss fifteen seventeen thirty. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green's hurt again having surgery, although it's not Tommy

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Speaker 2: John surgery, so that's good. We've got that to discuss.

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Speaker 2: We're actually gonna steal. We're gonna steal from since e

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Speaker 2: three to sixty. Since Tony and Austin are off tomorrow

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Speaker 2: what happens with UK. We'll go to good Year and

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Speaker 2: chat with our guy Charlie Goldsmith coming up in the

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Speaker 2: five o'clock hour. We're gonna go to Seattle as well.

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Speaker 2: We've got our sports lawyer on Attorney Stewart W. Penrose,

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Speaker 2: on a whole bunch of different topics, and I feel

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Speaker 2: like this happens every year. We've got the Bearcats in

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve tournament while we're on the air, and

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Speaker 2: so Tarn wants to stream the entire show live on

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Speaker 2: Twitter so you can enjoy the spectacle of me living

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Speaker 2: and dying through a uc Utah game, which Paul Daanner

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Speaker 2: Junior gets to be a part of. He is here

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Speaker 2: in studio. Show previews also available on Twitter at Moeger

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Speaker 2: Thanks to shareff Facts Credit Union, Paul covered the Bengals

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Speaker 2: for the Athletic as well as the Growler podcast. They

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Speaker 2: are doing live reaction episodes every single night this week,

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Speaker 2: or at least four nights this week with a free

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Speaker 2: agency unfolding. You could watch last night's featuring Paul and

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Speaker 2: Jay Morrison and Charlie Goldsmith and Mark Shalafu on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Also get It where you get your podcast. Paul has

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Speaker 2: been very busy, but still awesome to have him in studio.

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Speaker 2: How's it going?

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite days Every year, at least once

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Speaker 3: I get to watch you watch a game while doing this.

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Speaker 3: Show like this typically works out where I get one,

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Speaker 3: and I always I always love it because I can

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Speaker 3: always know when I need to go ahead and take

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Speaker 3: control of this. I just wait totally turned towards the TV,

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Speaker 3: and I can see the investment. I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 3: I'll take the next four minutes. Well, we'll see how

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Speaker 3: that goes. I will tell you this.

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Speaker 2: I flew back yesterday and the plane hits the ground,

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Speaker 2: and I had been asleep. And the first thing that

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Speaker 2: and I sheepishly just kind of make that look as

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Speaker 2: if to say, I know I was snoring, yea, and

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Speaker 2: you know I was snoring. Thank you for not waking

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Speaker 2: me up. My apologies. Then I look at my phone.

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Speaker 2: I get duped by the fake Jordan Schultz. Okay, happens whatever.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we all get got. And then I see, like,

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Speaker 2: you could not have bought me a better presence. We're

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Speaker 2: going to replace Geno Stone, perhaps my least favorite Bengals

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Speaker 2: player of all time, with Brian Cook not only one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite all time U SEE players, but a

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Speaker 2: guy known for doing exactly what Geno Stone couldn't do. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals don't have to do anything else. Now I'm

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Speaker 2: good here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, they delivered the ideal Moegger gift.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'll say.

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Speaker 3: I mean when we were doing stuff in the run up,

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Speaker 3: And we'll do a lot of that what would you do?

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Speaker 2: They kind of were here, like when we were talking

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Speaker 2: in the run up about what would be your favorite fits?

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Speaker 3: What are the things that you want them to do?

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Speaker 3: What should they be doing? Cook and Boye Mafe were

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Speaker 3: And so I think when you combine those two things

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Speaker 3: just say, all right, shouldn't let Jesse Bates watch right?

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Speaker 3: We can finally have got that one, Like all right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: You need to make a real investment at this position

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Speaker 3: And I talked about this last night on the show,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you are truly going from a top five

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Speaker 3: who got exponentially better at that as the year went along.

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Speaker 3: I think you how can you not love that moves?

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Speaker 3: It's exactly what they need.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is we did the mock draft mock free

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Speaker 2: hell in every sport. But I could certainly understand looking

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Speaker 2: And so my very first thought with Brian Cook was

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Speaker 2: this one position where it's been a major red flag,

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Speaker 2: they paid for it. They didn't try to go bargain basement.

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Speaker 2: They went and got the guy who's available at that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the type of player where you have the

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Speaker 2: Very much overrated.

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Speaker 3: Calculated execution of a very specific plan. You saw the

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Speaker 3: You knew what they needed to do and to get

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Speaker 3: about a very interesting yesterday for them. They pinpointed their

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Speaker 2: But it felt purposeful.

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Speaker 3: It felt like something they had planned, and it felt

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Speaker 3: they did both of those things with a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt like, here's what we want. We're not

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Speaker 2: of times by not being very good at multitasking, most

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Speaker 2: I think the way people expect this franchise to operate

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Speaker 2: they got caught with their pants down with other guys

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Speaker 2: that did not happen. That's a step in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: let's look to say we're not going to devalue the

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Speaker 3: twenty million is probably too high here to just say, look,

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Speaker 3: it's not you need to fix the position. Yeah, you

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: We we talked.

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Speaker 3: A lot about that in the twenty twenty yeah free

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Speaker 2: You don't want to have to pay that's where you're at.

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Speaker 3: You just had a historically bad defense that badly needs

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Speaker 2: You are if you have to overpay for that, fine.

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Speaker 3: It's the reason that you focus so much on getting

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Speaker 3: let's just take let's take Ted Carris for example, who's

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Speaker 3: cash coming to him next year. Well, you're getting great

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Speaker 3: value here. You got you use that elsewhere, you're getting

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Speaker 3: to hit or whatever, well you use that elsewhere. They

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Speaker 2: That's just it.

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Speaker 3: It's like you have the money, you have the ability

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Speaker 3: to spend fix your problems. Don't get obsessed with value

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Speaker 3: and position. Maybe it's too high, and it's an easy

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Speaker 3: seen that show before here, and so to come out

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Speaker 3: here in a big day for this organization in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six and hit those two, you know, i'd call

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Speaker 3: them at least doubles. We'll see, Yeah, hit those man,

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Speaker 3: it's a good sign for where they now can go.

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Speaker 2: I think with Mafe, I could hear the alternative, which

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Speaker 2: and those things can be true. But those things do

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Speaker 2: Stay two of a legal tamper. Yes, So we found

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Speaker 2: watched it this morning. You started to talk about like, well,

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Speaker 2: you do these things on defense, could you then use

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Speaker 2: the tenth overall pick on offense? Yeah? Could you then

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Speaker 2: really lean into best player available? And I keep coming

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Speaker 2: back to wait a minute, if we all agree this

443
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Speaker 2: class of defensive tackles a free agents isn't very good,

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Speaker 2: then you have to take a defensive tackle, but.

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Speaker 3: Not necessarily at ten I mean, I think when you

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Speaker 3: hear a lot about this draft, you hear a lot

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Speaker 3: about this middle day too, defensive tackle group being a

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Speaker 3: deep one where there's there's a lot to light there.

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Speaker 3: We've heard that before and I don't always hit, so

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Speaker 3: there's I think you could see it ending up. I

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Speaker 3: think at ten you're still I think you are open

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Speaker 3: and well again, I think that they'll do a couple

453
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Speaker 3: more things that will make it feel even more open.

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Speaker 3: I'm open to that, but positional value will matter, and

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Speaker 3: defensive tackle scarcity will be part of that conversation, specifically

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Speaker 3: depending on what their internal evaluation of a guy like

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Speaker 3: Peter Woods is, which, as we're learning now, is all

458
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Speaker 3: over the map. With teams everybody that I talk to,

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Speaker 3: the one thing they say when I ask about him

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Speaker 3: is man, I hear a lot of different stuff in

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Speaker 3: terms of where they have him from very high to

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Speaker 3: maybe not in the first round, and so which makes

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Speaker 3: me think he's gonna go very high because it only

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Speaker 3: takes one so you don't need census for a guy

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Speaker 3: to go high. But that said, that's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: big part of that conversation when we do get to

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Speaker 3: the draft, and I think that was. That's been emphasized

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Speaker 3: now because they didn't end up really landing any of

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Speaker 3: the major free agent players, not that there were a

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Speaker 3: lot of them.

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Speaker 2: This isn't going well so far in Kansas City. Don't

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Speaker 2: just let it go. Just take a breath. It's early

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Speaker 2: two for eight from the field, three turnovers. It's not

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Speaker 2: a good start. The Bearcats trail thirteen to six. Just look,

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Speaker 2: they're just trying to get their legs under you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that high Kansas City altitude, it's hard.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's being on the road. You got to adjust.

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Speaker 3: You got this led court you got you never played

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Speaker 3: on that before. You got a Probably maybe they need

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Speaker 3: new shoes.

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Speaker 2: It could be almost anything. I don't know. It is

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Speaker 2: early twelve and a half to go. The Bearcats are

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Speaker 2: now down. No, they're down thirteen to six. Sports Headlines

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Speaker 2: No hard Bengals news today. Meanwhile, we do have hard

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Speaker 2: Reds news, and it's not great. Hunter Green's gonna have

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Speaker 2: bone chips removed from his elbow. It's not maybe as

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Speaker 2: bad of a news item as perhaps we feared. It's

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Speaker 2: not season ending surgery, but he is going to be

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Speaker 2: expected to make his season debut in July. Meanwhile, Brandon

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Speaker 2: Williams going to get the ball today for the Reds

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Speaker 2: as they take on the iraqis a talking stick. First

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Speaker 2: Big Twelve Tournament first round in Kansas City. Approaching the

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Speaker 2: midway point of the first half, Utah leads Cincinnati by

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Speaker 2: a score of fifteen to nine. Earlier in that event,

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Speaker 2: Arizona State knocked off Baylor eighty three to seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: There are some other teams playing today that if you're

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Speaker 2: them is Stanford playing in the ACC Tournament. The Cardinal

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Speaker 2: Trail hit fifty nine to fifty six with just under

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Speaker 2: four minutes to go. SMU plays against Syracuse later today,

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Speaker 2: and Virginia Tech will take on Wake Forest. SMU and

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Speaker 2: vod Tech, along with Stanford, would be fellow double team

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Speaker 2: bubble teams, not double teams bubble teams, and the Blue

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Speaker 2: Jackets played tonight against Tampa Bay twenty away from four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast

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Speaker 2: is here. Who's going to be the backup quarterback? It's

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Speaker 2: a good question. I have an idea.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I feel like I've come up with something

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Speaker 3: right and we have to dip into another sport to execute.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but Hunter Green, Nope, no, no Premier League Okay, okay, okay. So,

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor and Clint Kubiak are friends.

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Speaker 3: They go all the way back to like a closet

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Speaker 3: at Texas A and m as grad assistants together, longtime friends.

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Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak would not like Fernando Mendoza to be the

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Speaker 3: arder immediately for the Raiders. Sure, he would like him

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Speaker 3: to be be able to sit for a little bit.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals would like to have Joe Flacco available to

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Speaker 3: them if they need him. This is a loan situation.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals signed Joe Flacco, loan him to the Raiders

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Speaker 3: and just say you could have Joe Flacco until we

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Speaker 3: need him. Okay, So, and then they can have whoever

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Speaker 3: their third quarterback is.

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Speaker 2: Technically the backup quarterback here taking reps. Okay, but Flacco

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Speaker 2: is available so they don't have to worry about like

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Speaker 2: a trade or so maybe and there's a deferral of

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Speaker 2: costs for however long he stays in one place first

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Speaker 2: the other.

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Speaker 3: He plays for the Raiders until if you know, knock

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Speaker 3: on the wood there. If something were to happen and

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Speaker 3: he were needed in Cincinnati, it's over. Flaco's back to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: He's a Bengal again.

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Speaker 2: We know he can just step in and play. Is

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Speaker 2: this allowed? I do not believe? So it needs to be,

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Speaker 2: And why can't we just sort of skirt around some rules.

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Speaker 3: And make this it maybe just call it a trade.

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Speaker 3: But you promise to trade us to him under the table,

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Speaker 3: you know, scribble on a napkin agreement, promise to trade

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Speaker 3: him to us if we need him. But you can

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Speaker 3: have him and just have a little gentleman's agreement there.

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Speaker 3: And that way Flacco gets to go play. He wants

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Speaker 3: to play. He keeps his arm fresh, keeps his bike.

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Speaker 3: He's in it right. And then if he does happen

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Speaker 3: to be needed for a couple of weeks or you know, whatever,

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Speaker 3: comes back, Cincinnati starts throwing at Jamar and t again

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Speaker 3: and drinks his coffee and eats by himself.

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Speaker 2: I love this idea. Now. The thing is, though, in life,

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Speaker 2: people do break promises. Hey we'll give him back to you,

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Speaker 2: no problem, cantel like he's playing well, or there's a

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Speaker 2: hiccup in Mendoza's development behind the scenes, and then it's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we need Joe flaccoback. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like tom

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Speaker 2: Brady's to stand up that. Yeah and Tom Brady, tom

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Speaker 2: Brady's gonna the most competitive human being of all time

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Speaker 2: is gonna be like, stand God, no problem at all. Here,

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Speaker 2: have Joe Flacco back. No, you got it. We promised

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Speaker 2: if there were I mean, look, if we I think

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Speaker 2: that the NFL should start allowing this.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, let's interesting, let's put it in writing. I

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Speaker 3: just feel like this is a good way to solve.

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Speaker 2: Two teams problems at once. Why can't you do that?

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Speaker 2: I I love the idea. I'm not a CBA expert.

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Speaker 2: That's as close as I have to a good backup

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Speaker 2: quarterback solution, is what I'm saying. Okay, in the absence

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Speaker 2: of that, what do we got? There's there's not a

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Speaker 2: ton of great options.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's not out of the question

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Speaker 3: that Flacco is back here because the starting jobs are limited.

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Speaker 3: Although I do look at the Raiders and and that

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Speaker 3: does seem like that he would be a good bridge

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Speaker 3: option for them, But there's others that will be competing

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Speaker 3: for those jobs. So it's not out of the question

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Speaker 3: that Flacco looks and doesn't see any jobs that he's

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Speaker 3: really even competing for, especially now that Tua has kind

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Speaker 3: of landed in Atlanta and it looks like Kyler's going

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Speaker 3: to be the guy in Minnesota. And does he want

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Speaker 3: to go play for the Browns right? Maybe? I guess

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Speaker 3: he probably does. He has gone there before, but you

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Speaker 3: know what happens there. Kirk Cousins is out there, Aaron

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Speaker 3: Rodgers potentially coming back to the Steelers, which you've always

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Speaker 3: said he could complete the s nor circle over there.

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Speaker 3: So the jobs are limited, they're getting more limited, so

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Speaker 3: it's not impossible that he could still just he could

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Speaker 3: end up being the answer, but it's going to be,

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Speaker 3: you know, a career backup type or one of these

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Speaker 3: discarded former starters that that could be around, but there's

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Speaker 3: not It's on a long list.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do this, but I feel like

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Speaker 2: we have to, so I'm just give you the little

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Speaker 2: visual we're we're gonna talk about Trey. Oh there is okay, smiling.

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Speaker 2: I thought, what do you what? I really thought you

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Speaker 2: were gonna do. You're going to know how hard this is.

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Speaker 3: I really thought you were going to turn your computer

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Speaker 3: towards me and show me a picture of Andy Dalton,

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Speaker 3: because I was going to be like, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did that last week, I know.

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Speaker 3: But then then instead I get the picture of Trey

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Speaker 3: looking back at me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah what yeah, okay, let's do it. Best free agent available.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't seem like he's getting what he's looking for. No, stop,

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Speaker 2: huh no, what are you saying? Trey Hendrickson hasn't agreed

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Speaker 2: to terms with a team yet. No, okay, it's not happening.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean. No, I don't want him back.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no, like the

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Speaker 2: Bengals got it right. Yes, that's that's where I'm going

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were No no, no, not even me.

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Speaker 2: No, Like I've got new toys to play with. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Brian Cook will allow me to make fun of Gino's

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Speaker 2: Stone for the next four years. I'm good time, I

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Speaker 2: have something. I am fine, sweating. Yeah, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't want Trey back, but look, man, the best

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Speaker 2: free agent available, right, the guy that the Bengals had

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Speaker 2: no twenty twenty six plans for. Now we can go

635
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Speaker 2: back and say they should have traded him, and accurately so.

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Speaker 2: But you talk about like being pseudo vindicated, here, it's

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Speaker 2: the Bengals as it relates to Trey Hendrickson, because it

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00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: feels like the entire league is like, yeah, man, we're

639
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: not giving you what the Bengals wouldn't give you either.

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Speaker 3: I would argue this has been the most vindicating twenty

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Speaker 3: four hours of pr for the Bengals front office in years,

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Speaker 3: between one the activity that they had yesterday and how

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Speaker 3: they did go after a free agency while everyone was

644
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Speaker 3: yelling him about you know, they're not going to do

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Speaker 3: anything and they're dumb and cheap and all that stuff

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00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: that's been being yelled, and then the rest of the

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Speaker 3: league and sort of the public now having a broader

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Speaker 3: view of the disconnect between the negotiation with Trey Hendrickson

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00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: right and value there. Now, I do think that discussion

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Speaker 3: has changed this year compared to what it was in

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Speaker 3: previous I mean, injury another year older, but yeah, this

652
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: is This is the I think been their point is

653
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: that we've been trying to get a longer deal done

654
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Speaker 3: with Trey.

655
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Speaker 2: You know, this was what they were.

656
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: Saying at least, and they didn't see his value the

657
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: same way he does. And now the rest of the

658
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: league is saying we don't see his value the same

659
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: way he does.

660
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: And out.

661
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to come across as I mean whatever,

662
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: as a Trey hater here on this, but like the

663
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: league understands when they just when you're you're just out

664
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Speaker 3: to get sacks and you're not doing much, you're not

665
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: a well rounded player. They see where it hurts the

666
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: team when all it is is sacks and there's nothing

667
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: really happening in the run game and there it in

668
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: whatever's all the other stuff that happens, right, Like they

669
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: see that and they know that, and there's the age

670
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: factor is so huge in this, Like they're just not

671
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: gonna key, especially when there's an injury involved now that

672
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: you're counting on somebody coming back from there's it's the

673
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: league is too smart to think that you're gonna pull

674
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: the wool over their eyes and just yell seventeen and

675
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: a half sacks like they're just that's just not how

676
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: it operates. Trey is a really good player.

677
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: He is exceptional at rushing the passer, exceptional, and that is.

678
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: A skill worth paying. But there are a lot of

679
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: other variables that take you from getting paid off a

680
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: lot to getting paid the top of the market. And

681
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: I think there's you know, where that conversation is landing

682
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: in between him and what was the Bengals and now

683
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: is the rest of the league.

684
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see where it ends up. But obviously

685
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some kind of a compromise, and I

686
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: don't think that the league is gonna come to work.

687
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: I mean, my take on this all along was having

688
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: full appreciation for what Trey did. It was going to

689
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: be if and when he hits the open market, we're

690
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: going to know instantly whether or not the Bengals kind

691
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: of got this right right, and we do. He'll play

692
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: in the NFL, He'll get paid handsomely. I oh, you

693
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: play as well. But like, I only bring it up

694
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: because I feel like this thing that I think a

695
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: lot of folks were waiting to pounce on the Bengals

696
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: for getting wrong. I agree they should have traded him

697
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: a year ago. Right now, all signs are indicating that

698
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: they got it right. Now. Here's what I predict is

699
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: going to happen. He's gonna sign with a team, and

700
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Speaker 2: probably I don't know, what would you think, maybe in

701
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: the ballpark of twenty five mil a year, in that

702
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: roughness somewhere, Probably he'll sign that contract. The league year

703
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: starts tomorrow and he'll sign that deal, and then he'll

704
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: hold out in June and just hey, I need more money.

705
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah this is not enough. Literally just signed the contract. Yeah,

706
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna need I don't know. I'm just I

707
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: don't know. Talk to my wife, thought about it a lot.

708
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: So Yeah, I got my golf shirt on. I don't

709
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: know if I'm gonna come to practice, and and then

710
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: and then another host in another city is gonna get

711
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: a chance to have as much fun with Trey as

712
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: I have a minute each. Your thoughts on what the

713
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 2: Ravens have done where they trade two first round picks

714
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: for Max Crosby and then like everybody else leaves and

715
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: they screw up this Tyler Lindenbaum situation.

716
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: I don't know that they I mean, if they screwed

717
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: up the Linderbaum situation, I mean I don't think anybody

718
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: was gonna pay him that much money. When they signed Crosby,

719
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: I thought, if I'm the Ravens, my first thought isn't

720
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: how awesome is this for our defense?

721
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: It's what does this mean for our offensive line?

722
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: They already had to worry about that, and now it

723
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 3: basically crossed off having linderbomb back. They're just they already

724
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: were gonna kind of have to be building their their

725
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: trenches back up, specifically their offensive line, and they weren't

726
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: going to be able to spend. They now took a

727
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: first round pick to help fill that off the board

728
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: as well, and that just gets a lot more difficult.

729
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: And it goes to show one that things are I

730
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: don't know if they're changing or or a sense of desperation,

731
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: which I don't. I guess despiration is the wrong word

732
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: because it's a new coach, but like a sense of

733
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: something very different happening in Baltimore to do something that

734
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: they've literally never done. They've never traded a first round

735
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: pick for a veteran player, and they just traded to how.

736
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: The Steelers had a good tampering period. Who's their quarterback? Correct? Like?

737
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: I can't. I'm sorry it doesn't matter. It just it

738
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: feels like it's like talking about how good the Browns

739
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: defense is.

740
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 7: Cool.

741
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: It feels like this Steelers free agency is the same

742
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: as the last six. Yeah, we're saying this early, but

743
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: it's the question for going back to Ben's last couple

744
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: of years, is who you got behind sennes still another quarterback?

745
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: Right And until they fix that, we can say whatever

746
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: you want to about the rearranging the pieces and oh

747
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: they oh they have Michael Pittman. Now like that's great, Like, I,

748
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: who's your quarterback? I just can't.

749
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: I can't care as much about the rest of it

750
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: if that's still the same problem.

751
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: But the Browns very quiet. I mean, we know who

752
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: their quarterbacks are. We know who their quarterbacks are. But

753
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: I think the conjecture coming out of Cleveland has been

754
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: that this is not going to be a very note

755
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: for a franchise that has made a lot of noise

756
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: this week for years, not a ton of noise coming

757
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: from Cleveland. And if I'm a Browns fan, I don't

758
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: know that upsets me all that much.

759
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean they can do whatever they want.

760
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: This this screams.

761
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: We're here for the twenty twenty seven draft and to

762
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: try to get our quarterback there all right tonight at

763
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: eight o'clock, Yes, eight to nine, eight to nine, we

764
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: will be there, you guys reacting to now, what if

765
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: nothing happens between now and we've got a.

766
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: Lot that we got a lot to talk about that

767
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: we didn't totally dive into from yesterday. And there's still

768
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: some more topics I think we've got. We're gonna do

769
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: a little bit more you.

770
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: On the show, you know, just flushed out that Joe

771
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Flacco scenario.

772
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Is that it's on the list because we did. I

773
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: wanted to get to that last night, but we were,

774
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: you know, busy talking about we have.

775
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: Been signing and then holding out as a more likely

776
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: I think there's a pretty good chance that we can

777
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 2: trot out the trays of our Lives graphic one last

778
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: time tonight to talk about him. That will be a topic.

779
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: And plus we the chats rolling, so we just kind

780
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: of whenever we run out of things, we just kind

781
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: of turned to the question. So if people want to

782
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: come in and ask them questions, just drop on it

783
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: and send them to us.

784
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: All right, So you have that tonight, tomorrow and Thursday,

785
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: last Night's is available if you want to watch it,

786
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you next week. I asked you.

787
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm off next Tuesday, so can we talk to you

788
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: on Monday. I'd love to talk to you on Monday.

789
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: It sounds great start the week.

790
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll have you know what you'll have ye mock draft.

791
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have time for this.

792
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: They they outlawed the use of the dot os on us.

793
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: Really athletic, Yes, really, And I like to think I

794
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: played a role in this with my zero point five Shenanigans.

795
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: Sew up at the New York Times. Right, I'm the

796
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: only one that was properly using the decimal system to

797
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: make it mean something, and now it's been taken away.

798
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: So we'll see if I can if I can get

799
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: it back. Bearcats are on a ten to run here.

800
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: They've pulled within a point five minutes to go eighteen

801
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: to seventeen in favor of the utes you were so

802
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: downs a second ago. They're about to take the lead here. Sure,

803
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: beat Utah win tomorrow, shock Arizona. Then you can watch

804
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: them in Dayton. Fine by me. Yeah. Paul Danner Junior

805
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: The Athletic dot Com read his work on the Bengals

806
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: and again the Live Growler podcast tonight. The show starts

807
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: at eight o'clock goes till nine tonight, Tomorrow and Thursday. Paul,

808
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: thank you as always appreciate it. It is a six

809
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Speaker 2: away from four o'clock. We'll get to the Hunter Green scenario,

810
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: which has sort of taken on a Trey Hendrickson bene

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Speaker 2: But because Tarn wants to see if we can get

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Speaker 2: some sort of outburst from me watching the uc game,

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Speaker 2: we are. We're broadcasting this on Twitter. Bearcats are on

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Speaker 2: a run now. It's twenty seven to twenty Utah. I

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00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: thought Utah called a time out. We have a twenty

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00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: three seconds to go. The Bearcats are now up by

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00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: nine points. Cincinnati on a twelve zip run after a

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Speaker 2: slow start. Cincinnati trying to advance to tomorrow, the second

836
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Speaker 2: round of the Big Twelve Tournament, they would take on UCF.

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Speaker 2: First things first, got to take care of business against Utah,

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00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: and after a slow start, the Cats are up by

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00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: nine points. After what I thought was a thoroughly disappointing

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00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: performance on Saturday against TCU. It was disappointing, not so

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00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: much that they lost the game. I'm not sure there's

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00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: any large shame in losing at TCU, even when your

843
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: season is hanging in the balance. I think relative to

844
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: how the Bearcats had played the previous three or four weeks.

845
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: The performance itself was highly discouraging, sloppy, tons of turnovers,

846
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: not a lot of focus. Today started slow, but the

847
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: Cats will take a nine point lead into the locker

848
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: room after Keishaan Tillery misses a shot to end the

849
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: first half twenty nine to twenty, Cincinnati on top over Utah.

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00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: There are, and I mentioned this before, a handful of

851
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: teams playing either today or tonight, who if you're a

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00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: Bearcat fan, you're hoping can help out, because I think

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00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: the prevailing sentiment is, well, if Cincinnati wins tonight or

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00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 2: today and then wins again tomorrow against a UCF team

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00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: that I think at this moment is a tournament team,

856
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: and then they stun Arizona on a third game in

857
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: three days, when Arizona's got the double buy that they're

858
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: in and maybe that's the case. UCF game is interesting

859
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: because UCF and the net is fifty one and fifty

860
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: one in the net, which means that's a Q two

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00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: game tomorrow. Now, it's not what you are at the time,

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00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: it's what you end up being. The Arizona game clearly

863
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: a Q one game. The Utah game they're playing right now,

864
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: a Q three games, so they're not gonna get a

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Speaker 2: ton of credit, but you could still use some help

866
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Speaker 2: from the teams around you. One of those teams is Stanford.

867
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Stanford just lost to a bad Pittsburgh team in the

868
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: opening round of the ACC tournament, so some help today.

869
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: You could use some help from Wake Forest over Virginia Tech.

870
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: You could use some help from Syracuse taking on SMU.

871
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: You could use some help from Gonzaga taking on Santa

872
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: Clara in the final of the West Coast Conference tournament

873
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: after a thrilling, if that's the right word. Santa Clara

874
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: went over mal Saint Mary's last night. So all those

875
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: games to pay attention to, plus Indiana tomorrow against either

876
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: Penn State or Northwestern Auburn tomorrow against Mississippi State. The

877
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: bottom line, though, is the Bearcats have to do some

878
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: work in Kansas City, and that's starts with beating Utah.

879
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: Right now, the Bearcats do have a nine point lead

880
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: at halftime. We will try to go to Kansas City

881
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: and chat with our friend Scott Springer if he has time.

882
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: He's got his job to do. By the way, I

883
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: made a mistake. I mentioned Santa Clara's win over Mount

884
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Saint Mary's. They beat Saint Mary's, and there's a marked

885
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: difference between the two. My mistake, not the first, not

886
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: the last. Meanwhile, on top of all the Bengal stuff,

887
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: which we'll get to in greater detail a little bit

888
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: later on, we've got the Hunter Green situation. So Hunter

889
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: Green is scheduled to have a scope on his elbow

890
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: tomorrow and what they're gonna do is remove bone chips

891
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: and loose bodies. This is a fourteen to sixteen week

892
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: timeline for his return, which would set him up to

893
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: return to the mound sometime in July. Our guy, Charlie Goldsmith,

894
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: who is just cranking out an unbelievable amount of content

895
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: in goodyear, both Reds and Bengals related, writes today about

896
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: the Hunter Green timeline. And I don't want to give

897
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 2: away all of Charlie's work, but you know, he writes

898
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: about Hunter feeling discomfort in his elbow toward the end

899
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, which is something that we found

900
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: out about last week. Hunter at times pitched really well

901
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: in spite of that discomfort, but it was there. Terry Francono,

902
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: when asked about it today, said, quote, he never told

903
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: me any of that. So Hunter Green never told his

904
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: manager that he was dealing with elbow discomfort. He continues, quote,

905
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: I know he has mentioned it to a Derek Johnson.

906
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: He was always telling me that he was good. I

907
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: like the way he was pitching the trainers. We're never

908
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: going to send somebody out there if they shouldn't pitch

909
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: or play. Ever, so the season ends, and as Charlie

910
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: outlines here, Hunter then met with doctor Neil Ellatratsch, who

911
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: he met with this weekend, met with yesterday, I guess

912
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles in late October. They tell get the

913
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: PRP injection and apparently that helped. But then right before

914
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: the start of spring training, there's more discomfort. And he

915
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: made a spring training debut. It did not go all

916
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: that well. And Nick Crawl says, well, you could tell

917
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: because he didn't throw a splitter at all. He was

918
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: having trouble pulling his slider. So there's a couple of

919
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: things here that you cannot help. But ask one is

920
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: why didn't Hunter get the procedure that he's having done

921
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: tomorrow done in October? And man, this dude that he

922
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: talked to, this doctor Neil Ella trash. This guy's renown,

923
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: like this guy is a great reputation. I'm not a doctor.

924
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: We are getting one on the show tomorrow. But the

925
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: platelet rich projection or platelet rich plasma injection, I should say,

926
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: strikes me as different from the procedure they're going to

927
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: do tomorrow, which I don't know. I don't know. It

928
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: seems to me like the better course of action would

929
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: have been to go and go ahead and have the

930
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: scope done, go ahead and have the procedure that he's

931
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: having done tomorrow done. If you do that in October,

932
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: well then Hunter Green is good to go, at least

933
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: by opening day, probably for the start of spring training.

934
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: So number one, like, why did you just get that?

935
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: And I'm asking here and I'm not qualified, barely qualified

936
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: for the job that I have much less to tell

937
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: a doctor, here's what you should have done with a

938
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: prized elbow. But you can't help but wonder, right, if

939
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: ultimately this required this procedure, why didn't you have the

940
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: procedure done when it wouldn't have cost you any time

941
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: at all, or maybe just a little bit of time. Instead,

942
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna cost Hunter Green like maybe half the season

943
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: and perhaps even more. Also, here man last year, it

944
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: felt like there was a disconnect between Hunter Green and

945
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: the Reds as it related to his return from a

946
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 2: groin injury, and maybe you felt like Hunter Green deserves

947
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: some internal criticism for how he was handling the injury,

948
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: and maybe you feel like a lot of the stuff

949
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: that was being sort of leaked to reporters was a

950
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: little bit unfair. Regardless of whose fault you think it was,

951
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: it felt like there was a disconnect between Hunter Green

952
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 2: and the team. That disconnect still feels like it's ongoing. Now.

953
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: Does that disconnect have to be something that dooms Hunter's

954
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: career or his relationship with the team, Not necessarily, but

955
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: it certainly feels like the disconnect from last year wasn't

956
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: completely addressed or fixed, because it still feels like there's

957
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: a disconnect today between Hunter and the Reds as it

958
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: relates to maybe him telling them last year in October,

959
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: last year in September I should say, Hey, my elbow's

960
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 2: hurting me, or him telling them like, hey, here's where

961
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: things are now that the season is over, and let's

962
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: be aggressive in taking a look at it and maybe

963
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: having a procedure so that I don't have to miss

964
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 2: any time in twenty twenty six. It feels like there's

965
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: a disconnect. When is that going to be fixed? Is

966
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: it going to be fixed? And as long as it's

967
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: not fixed, is it helpful to have one of the

968
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: faces of your franchise not on the same page as

969
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: the people who run the franchise? Fair questions? From a

970
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: peer baseball perspective, there's also this, and this might be

971
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: what matters most to you right now. The Reds have

972
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: really good starting pitching depth. And when you have a

973
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: competition for the fifth spot in your rotation that involves

974
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: Chase Burns and Rhet Louder and Brandon Williamson, that's pretty

975
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: good place. It's pretty good place to be. We talked

976
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: about that when spring training started. If the competition for

977
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: the fifth spot in your rotation is one of your

978
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 2: bigger issues you have to sort through during spring training,

979
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: and it involves not some random re treads, not some

980
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: guys to be good, but you know, high end arms

981
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: that are valued young pitchers. That's pretty good. But for

982
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: the purposes of trying to win big this year, which

983
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: is what the Reds should be trying to do, say

984
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: what you want about depth. Chase Burns has pitched in

985
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: exactly forty three and one third big league innings. Rat

986
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: Lauder has pitched in exactly thirty and two thirds big

987
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: league innings, none of them last year. Brandon Williamson since

988
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: the start of the twenty twenty four season, fourteen and

989
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: one third big league innings. The strength of this team

990
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: is supposed to be at starting staff. And yes, the

991
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: strength of the starting staff is the collective the depth.

992
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams, a ton of them that

993
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: if they lost the guy who is supposed to be

994
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: their staff, Ace would like to have some of those

995
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: guys I just mentioned. But Number one, yes they're deep,

996
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: but they're not deep on experience. We've seen really good pitchers,

997
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: including guys who are in the rotation right now, go

998
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: through growing pains while they're going through their first one

999
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: hundred or so Big league ginnings. Number Two, man like

1000
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: the strength of the team, even if the offense is better,

1001
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: which most of us expect it to be, the strength

1002
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: of the team is supposed to be the starting pitching.

1003
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: The starting pitching isn't as strong if you don't have

1004
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: Hunter Green. And even if you bake in and I

1005
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: think most of us have Even if you bake in

1006
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: the likelihood or at least the possibility that there's going

1007
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: to be an injury somewhere. Boy, it's a little foreboding

1008
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: when already more than two weeks before opening day, you've

1009
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: got a guy that your acknowledging is going to miss

1010
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: at least I don't know, anywhere from fifteen to seventeen starts. Also,

1011
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: by the way, and you hate to do this. Hunter Green,

1012
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: as talented as he is, Like, there's just there's now

1013
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: such an extensive injury history that you either wonder, okay,

1014
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: is he really going to come back on time? Or

1015
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: once he does come back, what's gonna happen next? Like this,

1016
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: this is what happens when you deal with an accumulation

1017
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: of injuries. By the way, last year, the Reds and

1018
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: Hunter Green did not appear to be on the same

1019
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: page when it came to how he worked at his return.

1020
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: Are we going to have a similar thing this year

1021
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 2: where maybe the Reds do believe this guy could pitch

1022
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: in July, but Hunter's actually not ready to pitch until September. Like,

1023
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: there's obviously so many more questions than answers here, but

1024
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: it does feel like there's a disconnect between the two,

1025
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: and yeah, man, the Red staff may be deep, there

1026
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: may be a lot of talent there, but you're already

1027
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: tapping into that depth in the middle of March, like

1028
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: you're you're You're all ready not at full strength in

1029
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: the area of your team that's supposed to be the strongest.

1030
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: And we're not two weeks out of opening Day. So

1031
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: if the Reds strong suit isn't as strong as it

1032
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 2: needs to be, can the Reds as a club realize

1033
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: their complete potential? I think most of us would agree.

1034
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: The idea isn't to simply sneak into the postseason. It's

1035
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: not to you know, barely get in. Tito has talked

1036
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: about this on a few different occasions over the course

1037
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: of the last couple of weeks. The idea is to

1038
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 2: challenge for a division title, go into the postseason with

1039
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: a head of steam, play in October, with the ability

1040
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: to set your rotation, not have an overly tax bullpen,

1041
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: not barely sneak in. Can they as a team accomplish that?

1042
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: If already in March we're talking about the starting staff,

1043
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: these wrong suit of the team being compromised, maybe the

1044
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: answer for you is yes. Maybe the answer for you

1045
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 2: is no, but it's it's a big question right now.

1046
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: I get it might sound like fifteen to seventeen starts,

1047
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: but we're already talking about having to tap into reserves

1048
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 2: in March. And again, man like Chase Burns is uber

1049
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: talented and I think we all agree he's got a

1050
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: really bright future. And Brandon Williamson in twenty twenty three

1051
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: certainly showed some flashes and rhet louder when he got

1052
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: called up to two years ago at the end of

1053
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: the season, did a lot of really encouraging things. But

1054
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: you're asking a lot of guys who have very little experience.

1055
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: And if we're going to cling to the idea that

1056
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: Hunter Green is gonna come back sometime in July, okay,

1057
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: are we sure? And I hate to sound that skeptical,

1058
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 2: We all do, like you hate to be skeptical. Hunter's

1059
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: a good guy in a terrific pitcher, But just last

1060
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: year there seemed to be again I keep using the

1061
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: word disconnect, a disconnect between Hunter and the Reds as

1062
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: it related to his return, as it related to his health,

1063
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: as it related to his treatment, as it related to

1064
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: his rehab. Are we sure we're not going to see

1065
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: those same things Now, I don't know about you, man,

1066
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: but I think you bet on those things because it

1067
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: feels like the relationship between the team and the player

1068
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: is not what it should be. Why wasn't that fixed

1069
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: this offseason? And why wasn't Hunter Green's elbow fixed this offseason?

1070
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: Nineteen minutes after four o'clock, we will get one of

1071
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: our experts, doctor Jonathan Slaughter from Ortho Sinsey, on this topic. Tomorrow.

1072
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: We are looking forward to that. We'll go to Goodyear

1073
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: and talk to Charlie Goldsmith coming up at five oh five.

1074
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: Most definitely looking forward to that. Twenty nine to twenty Cincinnati,

1075
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: on top of Utah's they get set to start the

1076
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: second half in the Big twelve Tournament. We'll talk sports

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Speaker 2: and the law coming up with our guy from the

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Speaker 2: Manila Law Group, Stuart W. Penrose. That is going to

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Speaker 2: be a to four to thirty five. Bengals had a

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Speaker 2: really good day yesterday. We'll get to what they did

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Speaker 2: do and what they now should do next on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Nation.

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Speaker 9: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen WCKY Cincinnati, and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human

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Speaker 2: Under seventeen to go cats by eight thirty four to

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Speaker 2: twenty six in Kansas City now thirty four to twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many paint points Utah has, but

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Speaker 2: it feels like too many. We have pull questions on

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Speaker 2: Twitter at Moegar thanks to United Heartland Insurance. I actually

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Speaker 2: posed this late last night, so it's it's gotten a

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Speaker 2: ton of votes, but you can vote now. Yesterday was

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Speaker 2: legal tampering day one for the Bengals, and today day two,

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Speaker 2: not a ton has happened so far, though it was

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Speaker 2: about this time yesterday, maybe a little bit earlier, we

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Speaker 2: found out about the two big signings they had made.

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Speaker 2: Uh So I just I asked you to encapsulate day

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Speaker 2: one a transformative success, be encouraging, start ce me or

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Speaker 2: d major disappointment. I think I think most of us

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Speaker 2: would agree, and on Twitter most of us do over

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Speaker 2: eighty percent encouraging. Start vote now at Moegger really quick

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Speaker 2: here and we'll take a phone call or two. The

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson thing, which, let's be honest, as much fun

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Speaker 2: as we've had with Trey, it's gotten exhausting. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: signed with anybody yet. That doesn't mean that he won't.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that he won't get what he's looking for.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps he does, but you can't help. But you can't help.

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Speaker 2: But at least wonder did the league's impression of Trey

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Speaker 2: or opinion of Trey match what the Bengals opinion of

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Speaker 2: Tray was, which was a little bit of a one

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Speaker 2: trick pony whose best seasons are probably behind him. Still

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Speaker 2: a good player, still a guy who could help you win,

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Speaker 2: but not somebody that's worth the kind of coin that

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Speaker 2: Trey is looking for. Concerns about age, concerns about injury.

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Speaker 2: It was always going to be fascinating to see. Did

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Speaker 2: Trey sign almost instantly? Were teams just pushing each other

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Speaker 2: out of the way to give him top dollar? And

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Speaker 2: if so, you know what would that say about the

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Speaker 2: Bengals Right now? It feels like for all the criticism

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Speaker 2: the Bengals have taken, and by the way, they deserve

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Speaker 2: it for not trading them last year. But a lot

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Speaker 2: of people looked at the Bengals and said they're off base,

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Speaker 2: they're being too cheap, they don't recognize how good this

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Speaker 2: guy is. They're not rewarding him that they've not evaluated

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Speaker 2: him correctly. Right now, it feels like the rest of

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Speaker 2: the NFL is evaluating Trey Hendricks in the same way

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Speaker 2: the Bengals have. That could change based on what he

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Speaker 2: gets when he signs who he signs with, But right

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Speaker 2: now it feels like the league's opinion of the Bengals matches.

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Speaker 2: I should say the league's opinion of Trey matches the

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Speaker 2: Bengals opinion of Trey, which is we like him, like

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Speaker 2: to have him, not going to get him specifically what

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Speaker 2: he's looking for because of his age, of the kind

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Speaker 2: of player he is, not so much the caliber of

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Speaker 2: player he is, but the kind of player he is.

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Speaker 2: Questions about injury. You know, this is sort of a

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Speaker 2: vindicating day for the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll see, maybe things

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Speaker 2: change and it's no longer a vindicating day. Kind of

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Speaker 2: feels like it is, though. Jim in Centerville, you're on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. Jim, good afternoon. How are you.

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Speaker 10: I'm good, mo, Thanks for taking my call. I agree

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Speaker 10: with you on the Trey Hendricks sing same thing. I

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Speaker 10: think he's just a he's a pastor, are a specialist.

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Speaker 10: He's not Miles, you know, Garrett or whoever But anyways,

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Speaker 10: I called because I have a couple of theories and

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Speaker 10: company you think I'm wrong here when it comes to

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Speaker 10: Hunter Green, I don't think you particularly wants to play baseball.

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Speaker 10: I mean, if you think about it, he had this

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Speaker 10: elbow thing nagging him the end of last year. You're right,

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Speaker 10: he should have had it scoped out in the off season.

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Speaker 10: But then there goes all his off season plans. You know,

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Speaker 10: he's not going to be able to jet ski or

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Speaker 10: do all of the you know, fun things that he

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Speaker 10: wants to do this offseason if he's got to you know,

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Speaker 10: rehab that so why not wait till the season starts

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Speaker 10: well and then get the surgery?

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Speaker 2: Then? Yeah, I hate to say this, but I feel

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Speaker 2: like when things get weird, it feels like you expand

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Speaker 2: the possibilities of possible scenarios or outcomes. And I intensely

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Speaker 2: hate to conclude that someone doesn't love their sport or

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Speaker 2: their craft. But when you've been accused of slow playing

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Speaker 2: an injury, as Hunter Green was behind the scenes last year,

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Speaker 2: and there's something like this, you could understand why somebody

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Speaker 2: would at least wonder is this guy is all in

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Speaker 2: on his career? As you would like for him to

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Speaker 2: be and as the Reds need him to be. I

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Speaker 2: don't love going there, but I can understand why one would.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we're calling him a bargain with what with what

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Speaker 10: we've signed him for. He's you know, yeah, he plays

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Speaker 10: ten games a year. He pitches you know, hardly at all,

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Speaker 10: I would say, And you know, I think it was

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Speaker 10: Nick Crawl that said, you know, hey, we're going to

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Speaker 10: look at this as a as a trade deadline edition.

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Speaker 10: Oh to me, you should be looking at it as

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Speaker 10: a trade deadline opportunity to trade him and get rid

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Speaker 10: of this. But yeah, that's that's how Nick Carawl looks.

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Speaker 2: At Well, you know, trust me, one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: tropes is hurt guy coming back is going to be

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Speaker 2: our best trade deadline acquisition. That that was faulty with

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green himself three years ago. I would find a

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Speaker 2: tremendous amount of fault in that now. But like, there

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Speaker 2: are going to be folks who say, like yourself, like

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Speaker 2: we'll trade him, And the thing is, like, is market value.

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Speaker 2: He had an injury last year, He's never gone through

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Speaker 2: a big league season healthy. Yes, financially he is a bargain,

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Speaker 2: but like, if you're gonna trade for Hunter Green. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna want to see him pitch, You're gonna want to

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Speaker 2: see what he can do. You're gonna know how healthy

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Speaker 2: he is. And unfortunately, right now, the questions outweigh the answers.

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Speaker 2: Now a team might say, look, he's tremendously talented, he's

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Speaker 2: cost control. You can get him for the next three years.

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Speaker 2: You don't owe him anymore than he's actually owed, Like

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Speaker 2: there is something to that, But I don't know, Like

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Speaker 2: there's there's a little bit of damage goods to Hunter Green,

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Speaker 2: which I would imagine would hurt his trade value. And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to just give him away. I want

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Speaker 2: to get something back in return, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: the ability to do that is compromised with all the

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Speaker 2: health issues and all the weirdness that have sort of

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Speaker 2: dominated the Hunter Green conversation for a while.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't think he's a bargain. I think he's

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Speaker 10: fleecing us, and for a team that doesn't have money

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Speaker 10: to waste. Unfortunately, we may have put our you know,

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Speaker 10: all of our chips on the wrong pony there. I mean,

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Speaker 10: I don't know. I think that I think that he

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Speaker 10: doesn't if he cared that much, and we've all had

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Speaker 10: nagging injuries.

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Speaker 5: He cared that much.

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Speaker 10: He knew, he knew that his elbow is going to

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Speaker 10: start flaming up again when he started pitching. He throws

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Speaker 10: on her mile an hour. Yeah, so if there's clean

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Speaker 10: up that needs to be done, get it done the

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Speaker 10: off season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's I appreciate, Jim, thanks for

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Speaker 2: the phone call. Man. I appreciate and love the fact

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Speaker 2: that the dude pitched through the pain in September and

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Speaker 2: often pitched well. They don't get to the postseason without him,

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Speaker 2: and I do usually side with hey, athlete knows his body.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't understand Number one. I don't understand

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Speaker 2: why there seems to be a communication gap between Hunter

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Speaker 2: and the team, which kind of revealed itself last year.

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Speaker 2: Number two. And we're gonna get our doctor from Orthosincio

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Speaker 2: with us tomorrow and he may shed some light on this.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how you don't opt for the procedure

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Speaker 2: when the season ended last year, or even like not

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Speaker 2: have him pitch in spring training games because his arm

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Speaker 2: was sore right before spring training started. It just I

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Speaker 2: don't know, man, I don't love arriving at the conclusion

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Speaker 2: that the guy doesn't love his sport. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a little bit much. But when you combine the belief

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Speaker 2: that was out there among people in the organization that

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Speaker 2: he slowed played his return from injury last year, and

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Speaker 2: then you have this year where it just you could

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Speaker 2: wonder like, did he just not want to have the

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Speaker 2: surgery during the offseason, because I hate to say that

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Speaker 2: he wanted to go jet skiing or something. There's just

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Speaker 2: there's NonStop weirdness and it feels like there's a disconnect.

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Speaker 2: There's also a lot of injuries. Are our sports legal

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Speaker 2: expert to attorney Stewart Wedy Penrose from the Manila Lag

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Speaker 2: Group is.

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Speaker 1: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

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Speaker 2: Two minutes after five o'clock. No, twenty two minutes away

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Speaker 2: from five o'clock. It's my first day back from vacation.

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Speaker 2: Ken expect me to know how to read a clock.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. We are a few minutes

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Speaker 2: late because well, I don't know how to read a clock.

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Speaker 2: On Tuesdays at this time we talk sports and the

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Speaker 2: law with our legal expert, attorney Steuart W. Penrose from

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Speaker 2: the Manila lag Group. Is always insightful, always teaches us

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Speaker 2: something and I've got questions. Maybe you do as well.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome to have you steared as always. How are

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Speaker 2: you I'm doing great, Mom. How about yourself? I'm doing well.

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Speaker 2: I want to start with this big meeting at the

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Speaker 2: White House last week, which was I guess it was

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Speaker 2: done in order to find solutions on how to fix

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Speaker 2: college sports, and the President of the United States says

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Speaker 2: he's going to issue an executive order that fixes college

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Speaker 2: sports and addresses things like collectives and NIL and player

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Speaker 2: movement and player compensation, all of this stuff. He also

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Speaker 2: acknowledged that it might not stand a legal challenge. So

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Speaker 2: that's what I want to ask you. If there's a

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Speaker 2: plan at the executive level of the federal government to

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Speaker 2: fix college sports, what are the legal hurdles that such

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Speaker 2: a plan would fix?

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Speaker 7: Sure who It's similar to what we've been talking about

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Speaker 7: all these links is anti trust law and all the

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Speaker 7: different state laws that government nil in each state. And

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Speaker 7: it's like they're trying to coach a thousand teams at once.

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Speaker 7: I can understand his perspective and what he's trying to do,

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Speaker 7: but to really get teeth in it, it would need

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Speaker 7: some sort of congressional approval Congress for me to come

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Speaker 7: to come together. Just a president's executive order alone doesn't

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Speaker 7: create an anti trust exemption, and it seems that that's

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Speaker 7: what his angle is ultimately here, is to try to

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Speaker 7: get some anti trust exemption to protect the nc DOUBLEA,

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Speaker 7: allow the NCUBA to have a better framework to keep

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Speaker 7: a hold and to try to bring us out of

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Speaker 7: the Wild West era. But without congressional approval, it can

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01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 7: be very difficult. MO And like I said, anti trust exemptions,

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01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 7: anti trust laws, and state laws really stand in the way.

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Speaker 7: And you know, President Trump certainly seemed very cognitiant of that.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of anti trust, which is a topic that, as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, you and I talk about a lot. So

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01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice and Live Nation have settled an

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01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: anti trust dispute that I think has had a lot

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: more to do with concert tickets, the prices of them,

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Speaker 2: the accessibility of them, than anything else. What can the

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01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: impact be on sports fans of this case?

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Speaker 7: Sure, well, first off, hold the phone on that. They

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01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 7: have an agreement in place, but the judge has to

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 7: sid the court has to sign off on it. And

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 7: apparently a lot of the states that are invol aren't

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01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 7: immediately signing onto this right now, so it's still fluid.

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01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 7: But if the settling goes through, what it can do

1304
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 7: is open up the markets for college sports fans. Live

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 7: Nation we think of Live Nation, we think of live music,

1306
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 7: but they own Ticketmaster and ticket Masters, you know, obviously

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 7: is the biggest platform out there are for sports as well.

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 7: So if this goes through, it could bring more, you know,

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01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 7: more platforms into the market to sell to sports fans,

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 7: and more options for schools and teams to partner with

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01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 7: and and not be so exclusive to Ticketmaster. And it'll

1312
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 7: help with schemes as well too. It creates more competition

1313
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 7: to be more competitive on fees. You know, you go,

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 7: you buy one hundred dollars ticket to a football game

1315
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 7: and you get twenty five dollars and fees on that.

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01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 7: Nobody like that. So hopefully this will hopefully this will

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 7: help with that.

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: What could be a reason why a judge would not sign.

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01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 7: Off on this, Well, we'll have to see how the

1320
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 7: framework goes and if all the party is getting getting

1321
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 7: agreement here all the states and whatnot, but they need

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01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 7: their time to weigh in. He's going to factor in

1323
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 7: and all that. He was upset because the trial had

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01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 7: already started and they had apparently had a framework in

1325
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 7: place over the weekend and didn't notify him until Sunday night,

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01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 7: So he wasn't very happy about that. Does that mean

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 7: it's going to make the settlement? No, But you know,

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 7: you never want to kick off a judge.

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, number one. Yeah, rule number one for lawyers and

1330
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 2: common folk a like. Attorney Steward W. Penrose from the

1331
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: Manila Law Group joins us to talk about the sports,

1332
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: about sports and the law on Tuesdays. So we have

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01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: one of the fixers in this large betting scheme that

1334
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: you had like twenty six people who have been charged

1335
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: in wire fraud and bribery chargers and the genesis of

1336
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: this is huge bets on rig college basketball games. This guy,

1337
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: Jalen Smith, has appeared in federal court. He has pledged guilty,

1338
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 2: and so this is like the first domino to fall.

1339
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 2: I guess my question is what does his outcome mean

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01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: for the other people, specifically the college basketball players involved.

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Speaker 7: Well, like you said, it's the first domino to fall.

1342
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 7: So certainly the government through him as has amount and

1343
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 7: through other resources as well, has amount of evidence to

1344
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 7: go on here. Clearly he had some level, must have

1345
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 7: had some level of cooperation to take a plea this early.

1346
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 7: It will help the domino's fall, Let's put it that way.

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01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 7: As far as the athletes themselves, you know, we'll have

1348
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 7: to see how that plays out, mo. I mean those

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01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 7: that are implicated, I mean, certainly from an nc double

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01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 7: A perspective, Yeah, you certainly think that's theme of their

1351
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 7: NCAA careers. At a minimum, what they say from a

1352
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 7: criminal standpoint remains to be seen based upon their level

1353
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 7: of involvement, what they face. As far as Senden team

1354
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 7: for those that involve criminally. You know, time will tell

1355
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 7: you know, a judge is going to be more likely

1356
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 7: to give some leeway to a college kid than he

1357
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 7: has a a bigger man up on the totem pole.

1358
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 7: In such a scheme, the players are, the players are

1359
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 7: almost are essentially the ponds and something like this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's that's obviously well put. Attorney

1361
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: Stuart W. Penrose from the Manila Lag Group. Awesome stuff.

1362
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 2: As always, man, thank you so much. He's the absolute best.

1363
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: He's our legal expert from the Manilo Lag Group. Stuart W.

1364
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:25,440
Speaker 2: Penrose joins us every single Tuesday. All right. The Bearcats

1365
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: are up by ten eleven seventeen to go first round

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Speaker 2: game and the Big Twelve Tournament. Sports headlines are a

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Speaker 2: dot Com. It's now forty eight to thirty nine in

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Speaker 2: favor of Cincinnati eleven and change to go. Winner will

1371
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 2: take on UCF tomorrow. Earlier today, in the Big Twelve Tournament,

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01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: Arizona State knocked off Baylor. For what it's worth, Pittsburgh

1373
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: beat SMU at the Buzzer and the ACC Tournament. SMU

1374
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 2: one of those teams that needed to win this week.

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 2: We'll see how that may or may not impact the Bearcats.

1376
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: Quiet day so far for the Bengals in free agency.

1377
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: We'll see if that changes between now and six o'clock.

1378
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: Reds are taken on the Colorado Rockies today, on the

1379
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 2: day that we found out Hunter Green's gonna have surgery

1380
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 2: to remove chips from his elbow. He is now expected

1381
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: to make his season debut in July. Good news is

1382
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: it's not Tommy John surgery. It's not regarded as season

1383
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: ending surgery. Bad news is still gonna miss roughly half

1384
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,839
Speaker 2: the season. Reds are playing the Rockies today. PJ Higgins

1385
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: with a home run. Cincinnati on top road team today

1386
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 2: three to nothing. Brandon Williamson on the hill for Cincinnati,

1387
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: pitched a scoreless first inning for the Red Legs. By

1388
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: the way, College Basketball Horizon League Tournament title game tonight,

1389
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: right State after beating NKU last night, it takes on

1390
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 2: Detroit Mercy for the conference championship, and the Columbus Blue

1391
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 2: Jackets play on the road tonight against Tampa Bay. You

1392
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: are caught up twelve point game. Right now, Cincinnati lead

1393
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 2: Utah fifty one to thirty nine. We'll jump back into

1394
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: what the Bengals did and still need to do. Coming

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01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: up on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 6: seventy five. There's an accident before Mitchell. Also a disabled

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Speaker 6: vehicle blocking off the left lane eastbound Ronald Reagan Highway

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Speaker 6: before Ridge Road. Looking at a five to ten minute

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Speaker 6: Fort Washington Way. I'm at ezelic with traffic.

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Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by Bradford. Lost two consecutive games,

1406
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 2: Cats up twelve seven forty four to go fifty nine

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 2: to forty seven. Cincinnati. Cincinnati has not been as sloppy

1408
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: as they were against TCU. The Meericats only have six

1409
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 2: turnovers so far, two in the second half. You see

1410
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 2: is shooting sixty three percent here in the second half,

1411
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: and they have been uh, they've been much much more

1412
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: efficient today than they were on a Saturday, four of

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01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: seven from behind the arc in the second half forty

1414
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 2: two point one percent four uh the game. It would

1415
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: be delightful though, if they can make a free throw

1416
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 2: UH three for ten from the stripe today, which has

1417
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 2: helped keep Utah at least kind of in it. It's

1418
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: fifty nine to forty seven in favor of the Bearcats.

1419
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: Winner will take on UCF tomorrow five point three seven

1420
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. We'll try to grab some more

1421
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 2: phone calls coming up in the next hour. It's been

1422
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: a little bit more than twenty four hours since we

1423
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: found out that the Bengals have signed or are going

1424
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 2: to sign. I guess I should say two pretty good

1425
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 2: free agents. One of them is Brian Cook. And like

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01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: the Brian Cook thing. Yes, I'm a Bearcat fan. Maybe

1427
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 2: you're you're a huge Bearcat fan. He's a mount healthy guy,

1428
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 2: He's a UC guy like that stuff is fun. That's

1429
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: not why any of us wanted Brian Cook. Wanted Brian

1430
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: Cook because he could tackle. Put it as simple as that.

1431
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: Wanted Brian Cook because he's good at the one thing

1432
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: that the guy he's replacing was bad. At like when

1433
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 2: I think when most of us think of Gino Stone

1434
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 2: more than anything, it's bad tackling poor angles. Brian Cook's

1435
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: game represents the antithesis of that. That's a good signing.

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01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: Then there's boy A Mafe. I'm not the only person

1437
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: to say this kind of fits that. Trey Hendrickson twenty

1438
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 2: twenty one profile not a star, certainly not a star

1439
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 2: in Seattle's defense log jam behind some guys. Scheme change

1440
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 2: this year maybe didn't necessarily play to his strengths twenty

1441
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: seven years old. Tons of upside pass rush is king.

1442
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 2: There's lots to like about these two moves. Number one

1443
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 2: is they did some very unbengalsy sort of stuff like

1444
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: you could hear it now. As it relates to safety, well,

1445
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 2: it's safety well positional value. It's not a premium position.

1446
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: So we're only going to go so far to sign

1447
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 2: a safety. We're not gonna pay Brian Cook the kind

1448
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 2: of money that he's looking for. Instead, it was essentially,

1449
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 2: as Danner said in the first hour of the show

1450
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: and acknowledgment that they got it wrong with Jesse Bates,

1451
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: and so now we're gonna pay for a safety who

1452
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: can do but we haven't gotten any safety to do

1453
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: since Jesse Bates left. Need a guy who can prevent

1454
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: explosive plays from how happening. Brian Cook can help doing that.

1455
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: By the way, I also think it's not insignificant they

1456
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: signed two Super Bowl champions like that. It's been a

1457
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: while since this team won Ken hurt to have a

1458
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: couple of guys who have rings that ain't bad, but

1459
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 2: they also like you could also hear it as it

1460
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 2: relates to edge rusher. Well, you know, Miles Murphy came

1461
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: on toward the end of last season, and we did

1462
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: invest a first round pick in Shamar Stewart and we

1463
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: still do like him despite the fact that his rookie

1464
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 2: year went sideways, and they still may. But those things

1465
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: did not preclude them from attacking edge rusher early in

1466
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: free agency. Like look, man, you can beat up on

1467
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin for a lot of things. God knows I have.

1468
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 2: There have been a lot of reasons to be frustrated,

1469
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: but what they said they were going to do they did.

1470
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: Now your eyes turned to what's next, and they need

1471
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: a linebacker. Leo Shanal is still out there. I think

1472
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: he has been the guy that most have kind of

1473
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 2: pined for understanding what they're looking for. Somebody who's versatile,

1474
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: Somebody who can get after the passer, Somebody who's good

1475
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: at impacting the ron d somebody who's good at spying

1476
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Like just versatile linebacker can do a little

1477
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 2: bit of everything. Swiss army knife, so to speak. Kay

1478
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 2: Nellis is still out there. I know. When Dana and I,

1479
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: along with Jay Morrison did our mock draft of free agents,

1480
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: we talked extensively about him one of the better linebackers

1481
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: at getting after the quarterback. The question is, if not

1482
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 2: either of those guys, then what do you do at

1483
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: that position? But if over the next I don't know.

1484
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: A few hours and I have not seen as I've

1485
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 2: been in here doing the show and paying attention to

1486
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 2: the Bearcat game, I haven't seen if either guy is

1487
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 2: signed with a team yet or agreed to terms with

1488
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 2: the team yet. But if you could get through today

1489
01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: having addressed edge, safety and line backer, oh boy, like

1490
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 2: that's a really, really good start. The entirety of the

1491
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: offseason involves the draft, but those three plus the Riisner signing,

1492
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 2: which was a layout like it's it's a good start.

1493
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 2: And as much as anything. On top of the caliber

1494
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: of players they have acquired, there's just been something unbangally

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01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: about how they've gone about this, and that is as

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01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 2: encouraging as anything. Sixty one fifty two, we'll talk with

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01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: Charlie Goldsmith about Hunter Green and more. Next.

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Speaker 8: The NFL Free agency is basically Black Friday for billionaires,

1499
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 8: except everyone's fighting over a tackle instead of a TV.

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Speaker 8: Keep it here for the latest signings by the Orange

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01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 8: and Black. ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the

1502
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 8: Cincinnati Vangals.

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Speaker 2: All right, Bearcats are making this more difficult than it

1504
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: needs to be. They're up five under four media timeout

1505
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, sixty three fifty eight to three, eight

1506
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: to go. I'm living and dying with this game. I'm

1507
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: gonna give you a very quick backstory here, not take

1508
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: up too much of his time because he's busy. He's

1509
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:13,839
Speaker 2: in Goodyear covering the Reds. I'm stealing Charlie Goldsmith today.

1510
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 2: And when I say I'm stealing him, he's always on

1511
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 2: with Tony and Austin and so like you know, they

1512
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: they've got their folks that they have on, and we

1513
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: have our folks that we have on. And I've told

1514
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: Charlie this before. I'm jealous because Charlie is awesome at

1515
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: what he does. He has I'm just I'm gonna point

1516
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 2: this out. If you subscribe to his newsletter, you know

1517
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 2: this Charlie's chalkboard. Between yesterday, shortly after twelve o'clock in today,

1518
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 2: he's cranked out six pieces on Hunter Green, who we're

1519
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 2: going to talk about, on what the Bengals have done

1520
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: so far in free agency, what the Bengals still may

1521
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 2: do in free agency. He's written about the Bullpen. He's

1522
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: written about Ellie Dela Cruz six pieces. There are people

1523
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 2: who cover other teams like you're lucky if you get

1524
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,959
Speaker 2: like three pieces during the week. So subscribe to his newsletter.

1525
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,879
Speaker 2: Tony and Austin are off tomorrow because the UK basketball,

1526
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: and if the Wildcats keep winning, they'll be off on Thursday.

1527
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 2: They'll be off on Friday. And I said to myself,

1528
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: you know what, screw it. Charlie's they're not going to

1529
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 2: have time to have him on this week. He wrote

1530
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: the Hunter Green piece I want to talk about, We're

1531
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: getting Charlie on. And so Charlie, it's awesome to have you.

1532
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Thank you for doing this. How's good year,

1533
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 2: It's great.

1534
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 11: I'm watching the fair Casts game right along with you

1535
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 11: right now.

1536
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 2: All right, Well, if I get mad and say things

1537
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say and we have to bleep the segment,

1538
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 2: my apologies in advance. It's it's awesome to have you.

1539
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: Is there a disconnect between Hunter Green and the Reds.

1540
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 11: It's something that I know is a really important question.

1541
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 11: So if there's something I've spent a lot of time

1542
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 11: working on, I think the best way to say is

1543
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 11: that is for anything that Bred or Hunter would act.

1544
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 11: What I've been on both is that there's nothing in

1545
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 11: here the.

1546
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: Hunt Charlie, I gotta, I gotta, I got a rotten

1547
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 2: connection and what you're saying is important. So let's let

1548
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: me see if we could reset here. Is there a

1549
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: disconnect between the Reds and Hunter Green.

1550
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 11: It's an important question. It's something I've spent and I

1551
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 11: think the best way can stay there's nothing on each side,

1552
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 11: and I've checked on either side led to any sort

1553
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 11: of action. The Hunter leading the rotation, Hunter not being

1554
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 11: by with the Reds, and he pitches for that's the

1555
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 11: most important thing to me, that Hunters, the guy who's

1556
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 11: gone through his own process medically in the you know,

1557
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 11: including this time getting the injection for Ela Trosh's recommendation.

1558
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 11: Hunter is not the guy in the clubhouse that's the

1559
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 11: I mean, he's not Brent Suitor, you know, he's not

1560
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 11: Joey Vadu in the middle of the clubhouse that everyone gravitation.

1561
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 11: He's a huge part of kind of the friendship group

1562
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 11: that is the rotation. So for all those concerns, there

1563
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 11: have been freezing for me to ask the questions. But

1564
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 11: I don't see any action coming from it.

1565
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 2: All right, Hank Tight, what we're gonna do is we're

1566
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna call you back. I'm gonna try to

1567
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: get a better connection. That was better. But Terren, see

1568
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 2: if you can get Charlie back on something that isn't

1569
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: being interrupted nearly as much. Charlie Goldsmith has written about

1570
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: the Hunter Green situation at his Chalkboard newsletter, which Charlie's

1571
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 2: Chalkboard at Substack is free and it's awesome, and it's

1572
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 2: in depth and if you love the Reds and Bengals,

1573
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: Charlie's coverage is extraordinarily in depth and comprehensive. You heard

1574
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: Charlie talk about slow playing an injury and I think

1575
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: what we wonder now is like, is that going to

1576
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 2: be happening here as it relates to what he's dealing

1577
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 2: with right now at the moment. By the way, it

1578
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 2: says sixty eight to sixty one in favor of Cincinnati,

1579
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: two thirteen to go, Bearcat's up seven. Utah has called

1580
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: a time out with the basketball trailing by seven points.

1581
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: Tarran is efforting Charlie Goldsmith back with We're going to

1582
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 2: go to Seattle and learn about boy A Mafe coming

1583
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 2: up in just about twelve minutes. All right, Charlie, let

1584
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 2: me hear you. How do you sound now?

1585
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 11: Their cats are up seven with seventeen on the screen

1586
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 11: and watching all right?

1587
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 2: Amazing? So you talk about last year the you know,

1588
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: there were the the insinuations that maybe Hunter wasn't doing

1589
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: everything the Reds wanted to when it came to the

1590
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 2: injury that that kept him out for a couple of months.

1591
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: So like, now is there an assumption that he's gonna

1592
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 2: slow play it again, that he's not necessarily going to

1593
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 2: be on the same page of the Reds, Like, how

1594
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: do we expect now this injury situation to play out?

1595
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: After what he and the team went through with each

1596
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: other last year.

1597
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 11: This is a much different injury situation than anything he's

1598
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 11: dealt with with UH, Tommy John he had when prospect

1599
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 11: and that's what good This dropped elbow spelling in twenty

1600
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 11: four and one graine string last year and the hip

1601
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 11: slash sitting in twenty three, like those were tougher in

1602
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 11: to the bottom up for one hundred even feel like

1603
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 11: he knew exactly this is what it was. This is

1604
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 11: an injury where he knows exactly what it is. You

1605
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 11: get a procedure and for Gry understand there's a set timeline.

1606
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 11: And I don't get the sense that the Reds want

1607
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 11: Hunter to rush back, but obviously you know.

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01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 12: Timeline is clearer than it was last year.

1609
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 11: But this injury does feel different way that maybe is

1610
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 11: the more positive in that regard. UH.

1611
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 2: Does it feel like this is something that he just

1612
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: should have had done when last year came to a conclusion.

1613
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 11: That's a really good question. I don't want to say

1614
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 11: for sure, but there's who in my recommendation process, and

1615
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 11: that's a consistent theme and trend throughout his career, and

1616
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 11: it's been different than what other pitchers have gone through

1617
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 11: in the Reds organization. But he had something going wrong

1618
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 11: and he dealt with it with an X and maybe

1619
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 11: he would be in a different place of different decision.

1620
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 11: But then and his teammate then dealing with them.

1621
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: You talk about Hunter and his team and the Reds

1622
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 2: have their team, like does there need to be And

1623
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: this kind of gets back to the original question, does

1624
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 2: does there need to be more collaboration between the two

1625
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 2: when it comes to Hunter's health.

1626
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 11: That's tough, you know, it's tough. That's a tough one

1627
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 11: to answer. It's a tough thing to tell a guy. Hey,

1628
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 11: I know you have this docu, this team that you

1629
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 11: worked and the Reds obviously have have guys they Trusteds well,

1630
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 11: the Reds trust Delatros. Delatros is a great has a

1631
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 11: great reputation as well. But the million dollar question here

1632
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 11: is why Hunter just didn't have the over and something's

1633
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 11: gonna have to answer.

1634
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: There was there was conjecture about a possible Hunter of

1635
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 2: Green trade this past offseason. Well this may not during

1636
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 2: the season, but seven months from now, eight months from now,

1637
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,560
Speaker 2: kind of revitalize that conjecture.

1638
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 11: I don't think so well. I was getting at the

1639
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 11: end of my connection and my service was for the

1640
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,520
Speaker 11: fact that I don't see anything here having a tangible

1641
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 11: impact on super emphathy. But with hunting the Reds and

1642
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 11: him wanting to Red and Red wanting him leaving their rota,

1643
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 11: you know, if there had to get a superstar center

1644
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 11: fielder with seven years of team control, you know, no

1645
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 11: one's untradeable, but the Reds value Hunter and that's been

1646
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 11: a consistent team. Hasn't changed when out of second considering

1647
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 11: this injury.

1648
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 2: Is there more a sense of exasperation with Hunter or

1649
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 2: relief that the procedure will not have to be a

1650
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 2: season ender.

1651
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:56,440
Speaker 7: I don't know they've ever been frustrated.

1652
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 11: It's kind of just some very matter of fact tone

1653
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 11: today in a way where it had been vaguer in

1654
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 11: the past with him. So again, I feel like this

1655
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 11: year is better than its specific year.

1656
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Charlie, will let you watch the end of this Bearcat game.

1657
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 2: I think you have like two or three more newsletters.

1658
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: You got a podcast with Paul and Jay tonight, so

1659
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: I know you have a lot going on. We appreciate

1660
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: you jumping on on short notice. Thanks both, You're the best.

1661
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 2: Charlie Goldsmith. Subscribe to his newsletter. It's ad substack, Charlie's chalkboard,

1662
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 2: Charlie calling us from the moon apparently, which I tried.

1663
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: I tried to make it work. I tried. I know,

1664
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 2: like the no fault to Charlie's it happens, it's it's

1665
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 2: happened with me, It's happened to all of us. You

1666
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 2: get a bad connection, we steal like Tony and Austin's guy,

1667
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,799
Speaker 2: and what we get, that's what we get. That's karma.

1668
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 2: We steal Tony and Austin's guy and he joins us

1669
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 2: on a bad connection and we called him pseudo last minute.

1670
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 2: We could have made him do it on Zoo. There

1671
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: is I know, there's nothing as a listener that's more

1672
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 2: makes you more uncomfortable than hearing somebody talk to someone

1673
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 2: on the phone who has a bad connection. There's nothing

1674
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 2: as a host that makes me more uncomfortable. As Utah

1675
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 2: hits a corner three to make it a three point

1676
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 2: game or four point game, I guess was that not

1677
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: a corner three? Was it? I'm complaining about Charlie's cell

1678
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 2: phone connection and trying to watch this game. Utah is nine.

1679
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Now they are gonna foul. Celestian's gonna go to the

1680
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: free throw line, twenty nine seconds to go. You see

1681
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: up four anyway, we appreciate, Charlie. The cell phone connection

1682
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 2: like that's it is the it is the like you

1683
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 2: can you could work your your face off to get

1684
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 2: a great guest. You can be so excited and at

1685
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 2: the cell phone connection stinks. In this day and age

1686
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 2: where we are doing some technologically insane things. It feels

1687
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 2: like about one out of every ten phone calls, whether

1688
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 2: it's a guest or you know, somebody calling the show,

1689
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 2: we still struggle with. But we appreciate next time do

1690
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 2: zoom or teams or one of those things. Celestie makes

1691
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 2: the first free throw. It's now seventy seven to sixty,

1692
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: seventy one to sixty six, and it's now seventy two

1693
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 2: to sixty six, Cincinnati with a six point lead, twenty

1694
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 2: nine seconds to go. All right, So, lots of questions

1695
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 2: about Hunter Green, and it's the biggest one is why

1696
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 2: didn't you have the procedure at the end of the season.

1697
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 2: Why didn't you get cut on at the end of

1698
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 2: the year when you just went through a whole month

1699
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 2: dealing with discomfort. Could this scenario they're dealing with right

1700
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: now have been avoided. I'm not gonna definitively say the

1701
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 2: answer is yes, but it's a question you have to ask,

1702
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 2: and as Charlie said, there, it's one that at some

1703
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: point I believe Hunter Green is gonna have to answer.

1704
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 2: Cincinnati is going to the lineup six fourteen point six

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Speaker 2: seconds to go. I could taste the second round. All right,

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01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Bengals got an edge. We'll learn about him. We'll go

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Speaker 2: to Seattle chat with one of the best sports talk

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Speaker 2: radio hosts in our business. Hopefully as a good cell

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Speaker 2: phone connection. Join is next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: get some Wes Miller for you before six o'clock Mulager,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. So, of the two guys the Bengals

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01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 2: have agreed to terms with, the bigger mystery is the

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01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 2: guy from Seattle, boy A Mafe, who many have compared

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01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 2: to Trey Hendrickson from back in two thousand twenty one.

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01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: I thought we'd get on somebody who's watched like every

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Speaker 2: snap of his pro career, Dave Softy Maler from ninety

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01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 2: three to three kjar in Seattle, right before he goes

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01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 2: on the air, kind enough to join us, Softy? What's

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01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 2: up this, Mike?

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Speaker 12: God?

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Speaker 5: Is this working? Did I just hear you say that

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01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 5: people are comparing Boye Mafe to Trey.

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01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 2: Hendrick No, no, no, no, no, see from this, from

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Speaker 2: this perspective, From this perspective, God, from this perspective.

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Speaker 5: No, I haven't laughed that hard in a week.

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01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Oh, trust me, I got I got a lot of

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01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 2: Bengals takes I can throw you. So when the Bengals

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01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 2: sign Trey Hendrickson, there was this kind of unknown factor.

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01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 2: Right you looked at the numbers might not have been

1741
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 2: totally overwhelmed, but they were banking on upside. They were

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01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 2: banking on somebody who, in a different set of circumstances

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01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 2: might be able to explode. Now, is Boye Mafe going

1744
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 2: to lead the league in sacks? Probably not. Is he

1745
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 2: gonna have a bunch of holdouts? God? I hope not.

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01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 2: But I do think there's comparisons based on what Trey

1747
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty one where it looks like there's

1748
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: a lot of upside, but we're still asking questions because

1749
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:01,839
Speaker 2: it feels like there's still a lot of unknowns.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just look, I'll just say this first of all, great, dude,

1751
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 5: boy a really really good guy. Not going to be

1752
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 5: a problem, you know. I mean all of us have

1753
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 5: had issues with athletes making news for the wrong reasons,

1754
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,719
Speaker 5: and I don't think Boye is going to come anywhere

1755
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 5: near that. Dude. So you're getting a really good, community,

1756
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 5: team minded guy. That's number one. Number two. I will

1757
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 5: tell you this, and I kid you not. This is

1758
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 5: a true story. There was a point in time about

1759
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 5: halfway through this last Seahawks season, maybe call that week

1760
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,719
Speaker 5: nine to ten, whatever, where I turned to Dick Fane,

1761
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,799
Speaker 5: who I do the radio show with here in Seattle,

1762
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 5: and I asked him, Dick, does boy A Mafey still

1763
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 5: play here? It's like, is he on the roster? Like

1764
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 5: what is going on with boy A Mafey? Because boy

1765
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 5: A Mafey was a guy that we actually thought was

1766
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 5: going to maybe have a little bit of a step.

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01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty five under Mike McDonald he had nine

1768
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 5: sacks and twenty three he had six and twenty four

1769
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 5: and then kind of went away. But then we kind

1770
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 5: of realized if you watch Mike McDonald's defense, they played

1771
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 5: kind of that hybrid three four, right. So guys like

1772
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 5: Leonard Williams Chennanawoe sue, if you have a star like

1773
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 5: Byron Murphy, obviously he's gonna get his sacks. He's gonna

1774
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 5: eat a little bit in the stat sheet. But for

1775
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 5: the most part, the edge is about set in the edge,

1776
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 5: and that's what Boye Mafey was doing a lot of

1777
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 5: here in Seattle. So in some ways you kind of

1778
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 5: wonder if he might be better off in a system

1779
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 5: like Cincinnati. For as good as Mike McDonald's defense has been,

1780
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:41,480
Speaker 5: and it is unbelievable, marvelous defense, the scheme is amazing.

1781
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 5: I do wonder if Boye Mafey is gonna flourish somewhere

1782
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 5: else besides playing here in Seattle, in the shadow of

1783
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 5: guys like Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams, Chennanawoe, Sue and even

1784
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 5: some guys in the secondary like Devin Witherspoon in a

1785
01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 5: linebacker like Ernest Jones. But I'll admit that I was

1786
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 5: very surprised, man, when the number came out, twenty million

1787
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 5: dollars a year. I was like, Wow, there's no part

1788
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 5: of me back in October or November that thought that

1789
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 5: boy mafe deserved twenty million dollars a year.

1790
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 2: When the confetti cleared from the Super Bowl parade, did

1791
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 2: you guys assume he was? He was gone? He taught?

1792
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 2: Was he already being talked about in the past tense?

1793
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, because what happens is, and you guys know this,

1794
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 5: when you play for a Super Bowl or you win

1795
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 5: a Super Bowl, everybody's resume looks a little better, right.

1796
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 5: I mean, It's like when the Hawks won it in

1797
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen, all of a sudden, the Lions came in

1798
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 5: and thought that Golden Tate was the Bee's knees. You know,

1799
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 5: the Dolphins with guys like Byron Maxwell, and all of

1800
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 5: a sudden, they're all getting overpaid. And that's kind of

1801
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 5: what's going on right now. I mean, look, you know,

1802
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 5: Kenny Walker got fifteen million a year from Kansas City

1803
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 5: based on six games, right, Like, there was nobody in

1804
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 5: mid December before they played the Rams on Thursday night

1805
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 5: that thought that Kenny Walker was gonna get fifteen million

1806
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 5: dollars a year. So once the Hawks won, everybody who

1807
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:04,879
Speaker 5: was a free agent, Kobe Bryant, Josh Job, Kenny Walker,

1808
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 5: Rashid she Head, dude, Mo Rashid she Heat didn't even

1809
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,680
Speaker 5: have two hundred yards receiving in the nine games he

1810
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 5: was here in Seattle, and he just got seventeen million

1811
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 5: dollars based on what the guy can do on special teams.

1812
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think the Hawks they got six or

1813
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 5: seven major free agents, and we figured maybe they'll get one,

1814
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 5: maybe two of them.

1815
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Back when he was on the field, right because it

1816
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 2: felt like, as you kind of outlined the story of

1817
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: his twenty twenty five was just wasn't on the field

1818
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 2: nearly enough. When he was on the field last year,

1819
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 2: how good was he?

1820
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 5: I just was kind of a supplemental complimentary guy. I mean,

1821
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 5: this is a team that has a lot of stars

1822
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 5: on it, right, I mean most of those stars were

1823
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 5: created by Mike McDonald, Leonard Williams, Devin Witherspoon, Ernest Jones,

1824
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 5: Byron Murphy players like that. I mean there's no first team,

1825
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 5: real consensus all pro guy. Although big cat Leonard Williams

1826
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 5: was a first team guy, but outside of him, weren't

1827
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 5: chuck full of you know, all pros. This is not

1828
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 5: the twenty thirteen lob right with Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman,

1829
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 5: Earl Thomas, and Cam Shancer. The star of the show

1830
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 5: here in Seattle is the scheme, it really is. I

1831
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 5: mean it's like they had a stretch where they lost

1832
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 5: three or four guys due to injury starters and the

1833
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 5: defense still kicked ass and still was, you know, taking

1834
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 5: people down. So Boya Mafe was never a part of

1835
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 5: that group, right, That was the real reason, from a

1836
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 5: personnel perspective, why these guys were doing well. He was

1837
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 5: always a complimentary guy that It was kind of like

1838
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 5: a good baseball umpire man. Nobody really noticed him, to

1839
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 5: be honest with you, you know, I wish I can

1840
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 5: come on the air and tell you more about the

1841
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 5: kind of player he is and how impactful he was.

1842
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 5: Every now and then he'll he'll, you know, bat a

1843
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 5: pass down every now and then he'll, you know, take

1844
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:48,799
Speaker 5: up a couple of blockers and open up a blitzing

1845
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 5: lane for a guy like Devin Witherspoon, for example. He

1846
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 5: saw a lot of that in the Super Bowl, by

1847
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 5: the way, go back and watch that game. But that's

1848
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 5: what he was here in Seattle. He was never a

1849
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 5: primary guy. He was never again that they would get

1850
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 5: after the quarterback with. He was never a guy that

1851
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 5: could count on for a consistent pass rush. He was

1852
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 5: always a guy that would do things to set up

1853
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 5: other players to make plays. And I'm wondering, Cincinnati has

1854
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 5: to see the speed. Obviously, guys fast got some speed,

1855
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 5: and they got to look at him as more than

1856
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 5: just a complimentary guy, because otherwise there's no way they're

1857
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 5: giving him twenty millions unless they're stupid.

1858
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 2: Well that may be the case. I mean, I spent

1859
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 2: my entire life wondering why the Bengals do so many

1860
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,719
Speaker 2: stupid things. But I certainly believe they see the speed

1861
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 2: on the upside. By the way, I appreciate you saying

1862
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 2: to me when you major comparison to the Seahawks and

1863
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 2: here's what all the players that win? He said, Oh,

1864
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 2: you know this, Actually I have no idea. I want

1865
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 2: to be in your shoes one day, so I know,

1866
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, but thanks thanks for playing along and

1867
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 2: pretending that I will.

1868
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 5: You know what it's like. You know what it's like

1869
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 5: to participate in a super Bowl. That's why I said

1870
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 5: playing one or with one? You know, look, I mean

1871
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 5: there's a lot of people who's face side rubbing the

1872
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 5: dirt in this business and you're not one of them.

1873
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 5: But you know what, you also have a world series,

1874
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 5: my friend, and we have noise view what that's all.

1875
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 2: I was in the eighth grade, so it almost doesn't count, right, Yeah,

1876
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,600
Speaker 2: that's fair, that's fair. William got a you Hainio Suarez

1877
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: from you. That's you know, that's kind of more excited

1878
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 2: about him.

1879
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 5: Oh, I was five and a half when the Sonics

1880
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 5: won the NBA title. All right, So the Seahawks winning

1881
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 5: in twenty thirteen was really my first championship. And yeah,

1882
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 5: getting Geno back, man, I mean, hey, good for you guys.

1883
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 5: I mean, Gino is a phenomenal guy. But they just

1884
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 5: needed to get something more consistent at third base, and

1885
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 5: they've got obviously Brendan Donovan as you know, coming in

1886
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 5: from the from the Cardinals to take Geno's spot. But

1887
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 5: that a home running hit in Game five, Man, that

1888
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 5: grand slam to right field. Uh, you know, I wish

1889
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 5: it meant more. I wish it meant you know, a

1890
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,640
Speaker 5: trip to the World Series. But at the time we

1891
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 5: thought that grand slam to right field in Game five

1892
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 5: may have been the biggest hit in Mariner history, and

1893
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 5: it certainly is one of them. But uh never was

1894
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 5: able to materialize into something bigger and better because the

1895
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 5: Ems went to Toronto and fell apart for two.

1896
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 2: And now your players are fighting against each other on

1897
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 2: the World Baseball class and so it's free of it.

1898
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:01,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, that thattle thing got overblown, but big.

1899
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 2: Time by the way South for yeah, man, we'll see.

1900
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 2: I know you got a show to do, man, Thanks

1901
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 2: so much, all right anytime, guys. Yeah, one of the

1902
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,480
Speaker 2: absolute best. Dave Salty Maler for Softy Maller from Kjar

1903
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 2: in Seattle. I've appeared in his show before. He has

1904
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 2: never appeared on my by the way, great great phone connection.

1905
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:25,480
Speaker 2: Great phone connection there in Seattle. Five thirty sports headlines.

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Speaker 2: Maybe here from West Miller, Maybe here from you five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. Lot's going on. We'll update you

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1914
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1915
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1916
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1917
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1918
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1919
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1920
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1921
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Speaker 2: to yours for life Kelsey chev dot com. We'll start

1922
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 2: with the red stuff. Hunter Green's gonna have bone chips

1923
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 2: removed from his elbow, which will keep him out of

1924
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 2: action until July. At least that's the expectation. This and

1925
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 2: the aftermath of finding out last week that he was

1926
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 2: dealing with elbow discomfort. Hunter's teammates are playing today at

1927
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:41,759
Speaker 2: Talking Stick against the Rockies. Three good innings from Brandon Williamson,

1928
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 2: struck out three, did not give up a run, only

1929
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 2: one hit. Cincinnati, on top of the Rockies, has seven

1930
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 2: to nothing to score. Will Benson his fourth home run

1931
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 2: of the spring, his third that's actually left the park. TJ.

1932
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:55,759
Speaker 2: Friedel went deep his first of the spring. PJ Higgins

1933
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 2: also hit a home run. Tell you what, Both JJ

1934
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 2: Bleda and Will Benson have had quality springs, and Nathaniel

1935
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 2: Lowe's production this year in spring has been encouraging as well.

1936
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Those are good things. The Hunter Green development not so much.

1937
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 2: No major Bengals injury news today in the aftermath to

1938
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 2: finding out what they did yesterday. They need a linebacker.

1939
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 2: Get one of the linebackers signed leoshanal You signed those

1940
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 2: three dudes on top of what other complimentary pieces they

1941
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 2: acquire in free agency, which they're not going to solve

1942
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 2: their defensive tackle problem in free agency. I agree with

1943
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 2: what Danner talked about in the first hour, Like, third

1944
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 2: corner is still a need. Shoudobi a Woozy as a

1945
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 2: third corner I think would be awesome. That's still a need.

1946
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,679
Speaker 2: And it's like one of the reasons why I thought

1947
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant might make a little bit more sense than

1948
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Brian Cook was if you're leaning into versatility, He's a

1949
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 2: guy you can put in the slot. He's got corner experience.

1950
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 2: With Brian Cook, you are getting a safety, you are

1951
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 2: getting a tackle. The dude in play center field safety

1952
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 2: thrilled with it. But they could still use some help

1953
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 2: at corner. We will see, we will see. If you

1954
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 2: miss Danner in the first hour, We'll have a podcast

1955
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 2: as soon as the show is over on the iHeartRadio.

1956
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 2: At College Hoops, uc wins in the opening round of

1957
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 2: the Big twelve Tournament, knocking off Utah game that was

1958
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more uncomfortable than it needed to be,

1959
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 2: but they do survive in advance seventy three to sixty six.

1960
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 2: The final score Cincinnati got to fourteen from Mustafa cham

1961
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,799
Speaker 2: eleven from Bob and Meller. Bearcats will play UCF roughly

1962
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 2: at three o'clock in the second round. I think the

1963
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 2: prevailing sentiment is one that at least I agree with

1964
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 2: that they've got to win three games. I would find it.

1965
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 2: I would be stunned if they made it and only

1966
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 2: one two. There's seemingly no chance that just winning ones enough.

1967
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 2: Today was a Q three game right now in the

1968
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 2: net UCF is a Q two game because they're fifty

1969
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 2: one in the net top fifty neutral sites. A Q

1970
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 2: one game. I'd be really surprised if they only won

1971
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 2: two and found their way in. But they did get

1972
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 2: some help. Stanford lost game, had a great ending against

1973
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh today, and so it feels like the Cardinal are

1974
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 2: effectively eliminated. Our guy Hunter sands on the NKY bracket guy,

1975
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 2: as Stanford is out for good with that loss today.

1976
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 2: The final score in that game was sixty four to

1977
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 2: sixty three. Could also use an SMU loss. SMU is

1978
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 2: playing against Syracuse in the ACC Tournament. That game, the

1979
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 2: Mustangs have a forty three to forty lead with just

1980
01:45:55,720 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 2: over seventeen minutes to go. I'm looking at our guy

1981
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 2: Hunter Sandsum's later latest projection. He had Stanford as an

1982
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 2: eleven seed right now, so very much clearly on the bubble.

1983
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 2: Another bubble team that is an action in the ACC

1984
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Tournament tonight is Virginia Tech. They will take on Wake Forest.

1985
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't mention this. The other game

1986
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 2: earlier today in the Big Twelve Tournament, Arizona State in

1987
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 2: what felt like a possible swan song for Bobby Hurley.

1988
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 2: They won today, so he's gonna get at least one

1989
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 2: more game. Arizona State knocked off Baylor eighty three to

1990
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 2: seventy nine. The Sun Devil's advance to take on Iowa

1991
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 2: State tomorrow. Tonight. Wright State has a chance to win

1992
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 2: the Horizon League Tournament with a game against Detroit. That

1993
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 2: game in Indianapolis. A game last night against NKU, for

1994
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 2: about thirty minutes was terrific, and there was a stretch

1995
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:54,719
Speaker 2: kind of late in the first half where it felt

1996
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 2: like the Norse, I don't want to say had a

1997
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 2: chance to pull away, but it felt like they had

1998
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 2: a chance to build a little bit of a cushion.

1999
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 2: They were playing very well, and obviously Wright State over

2000
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 2: the last ten minutes ran away and kind of hid

2001
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 2: a weird season for the Norse. And obviously what NKU

2002
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 2: does in relation to the NCAA tournament is defined by

2003
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 2: what they do in Indy, and they won that great

2004
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 2: game against Oakland in Round one, survived with a sixty

2005
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 2: point outburst in the second half against Green Bay on Sunday,

2006
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 2: But a little bit of a weird year. It felt

2007
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 2: like every time they were about to get going, they

2008
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 2: would stop, for lack of a better way of putting it.

2009
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 2: Hockey Tonight, the Blue Jackets skate against Tampa Bay. The

2010
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 2: college basketball tomorrow, there's a ton of local games Tomorrow.

2011
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,839
Speaker 2: Kentucky is going to take on LSU, which will bump

2012
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 2: since E three sixty for a day and maybe even

2013
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 2: for two, and maybe even for three based on how

2014
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 2: long the Wildcats keep going. Xavier plays tomorrow in the

2015
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 2: Big East Tournament, obviously UC and UCF at three o'clock,

2016
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 2: and then later on this week, starting on Thursday at

2017
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 2: eleven am Miami. And I was not here yesterday the

2018
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 2: Miami Ohio U game. And I say this, I'm not

2019
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 2: a hyperbolegue guy. I don't say things I genuinely don't believe.

2020
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 2: And what has been an awesome season of college basketball games.

2021
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,680
Speaker 2: And say what you want about the other issues that

2022
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 2: swirl around the sport, with the stakes, with the setting,

2023
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 2: with the caliber of the game Miami and OU on

2024
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,719
Speaker 2: Friday Night is the best college basketball game I've watched

2025
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 2: this year, and that's I'm rooting for the RedHawks to

2026
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 2: get to the tournament. I'll root for them once they

2027
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 2: get there. What Travis Steel has done has been really

2028
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 2: fun to watch. It's cool watching Miami get a ton

2029
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:53,600
Speaker 2: of attention nationally. I think just given the the entirety

2030
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 2: of that game, the crowd, which I'm not sure what

2031
01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 2: the breakdown of the crowd was, it did feel like

2032
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 2: there were a fair amount of Miami fans there, but

2033
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 2: I know what that would have meant for folks who

2034
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 2: love Ou to derail Miami's perfect season. To the way

2035
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 2: the game was played, to the sense of, oh no,

2036
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 2: what happens if they don't get in to some of

2037
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 2: the high level plays in that game, to just the

2038
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 2: the drama down the stretch. That's best college basketball game

2039
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:27,560
Speaker 2: I've watched all season long. And it was in Arizona

2040
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 2: with buddies on a spring training trip talking about that

2041
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 2: game on Saturday, and we were discussing what the fallout

2042
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 2: would have been had Miami lost, and discussing the fact

2043
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 2: that it certainly does feel like even if they stubbed

2044
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 2: their toe in the MAC Tournament, that they're going to

2045
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 2: have their name called. Now, you certainly would advise against

2046
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 2: losing on Thursday in Round one of the Mid American Tournament.

2047
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 2: But that game was that game was something. That game

2048
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 2: was something, and one of the things we were discussing

2049
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 2: was what it had to have been like to be

2050
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:05,560
Speaker 2: standing at the free throw line knowing that an undefeated

2051
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 2: season is on the line against that crowd. And Peter

2052
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 2: Souter made those two free throws, and he has been

2053
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:16,759
Speaker 2: terrific all season long. Twelve seconds to go in ot

2054
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 2: and you've got to make those free throws, and if

2055
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 2: you don't, it's possibly an undefeated season up in smoke,

2056
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 2: and then a whole lot of uncertainty about your NCAA tournament.

2057
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 2: For fortunes, he makes them. Oh you misses the shot,

2058
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:39,719
Speaker 2: Miami wins. Just a great game, a great, great, great game.

2059
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 2: And congratulations to A. Travis Steele for what he has

2060
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 2: done with that program. It is been really really fun

2061
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 2: to watch. All Right, we can talk to other folks.

2062
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 2: We have been super super busy today. Doug and Anderson,

2063
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 2: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Doug, good afternoon. How are you.

2064
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 12: Oh'm fantastic motion outside on this beautiful day, smoking a

2065
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 12: little cigar after work, having a little sip sip, and

2066
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:04,760
Speaker 12: listening to you as usual.

2067
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 2: You cannot beat that, except for the listening to me. Barbara.

2068
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 12: Go ahead, I have a quick one for you. I

2069
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 12: want to put something on your radar. So everybody, I'm

2070
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 12: I'm a fan of the Miami Hurricanes since nineteen eighty three.

2071
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 12: I lived Cincinnati, Ohio. I'm also a very very big

2072
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 12: Bearcat fan. I just have two teams.

2073
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 2: That's cool.

2074
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 12: I lived down there for nine years, so became a

2075
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 12: fan in the early eighties when they won the first

2076
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 12: national championship. Anyway, I've watched every game this year and

2077
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:38,680
Speaker 12: everybody is overlooking a keen Mesador. I'm telling you. The

2078
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 12: dude is six three, two eighty. He has more sacks

2079
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:47,799
Speaker 12: and more tackles than Bain. He is a stud.

2080
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 5: He is a.

2081
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 12: Stud, and he if he's in the draft, the Bengals

2082
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 12: gotta get him.

2083
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think right now. I looked at and I

2084
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 2: don't have this in front of me. It might have

2085
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 2: been Dave brew Bugler from the Athletic who had him.

2086
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 2: I believe is the fourth best edge in the class.

2087
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 2: So I don't know if anybody nationally is overlooking him.

2088
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 2: I think the fascination with Bain, like, let's be honest,

2089
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 2: more folks watch Miami in the national title game than

2090
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 2: watched any other Hurricanes game, and Ruben Bain was here

2091
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 2: at least, and Ruben Bain was awesome in that game,

2092
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 2: and so there is some recency bias. But uh, yeah,

2093
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 2: you're right. I mean, we'll see where he is on

2094
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 2: the Bengals board. It kind of feels like, with what

2095
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:32,679
Speaker 2: happened with Bain's arms, there's a pretty decent chance he's

2096
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 2: there at ten. And if they have him ranked higher

2097
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 2: than Mesidor, then they're going to take Baine. But you know,

2098
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 2: we'll see what they've done in the draft or in

2099
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 2: free agency how that informs what they've done in the draft.

2100
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 2: But I would like to think that the Bengals are

2101
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 2: not overlooking the guy that is regarded by some evaluators

2102
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 2: as the fourth or fifth best edge rusher.

2103
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:54,759
Speaker 12: Yeah. Well, I mean Bain got all the national attention,

2104
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,800
Speaker 12: Like every game I watched, especially the nationally televised game,

2105
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 12: it was baying Bain Bain. And then meanwhile, Mesador's over

2106
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 12: there getting as many pressures as many sacks. And you know,

2107
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 12: I said to my son, who we watched games with

2108
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 12: all the time, he looks like Shrey Hendrickson, except for

2109
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 12: he also makes a lot of cackles.

2110
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and by the way, he did have two

2111
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 2: sacks in the National title game.

2112
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,599
Speaker 12: Yes, he's a dude, man, He's just he's a low

2113
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 12: key guy. He's just under the radar. But I'm telling

2114
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 12: you that guy is going to be somebody who's great

2115
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:27,839
Speaker 12: at Dresher.

2116
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 2: We've got him on the radar. Doug enjoyed the cigar man,

2117
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:31,040
Speaker 2: thanks so much.

2118
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 12: Thank you man.

2119
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 2: All Right, this is really cool of him to do

2120
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 2: because he has stuff to do for his employer, but

2121
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 2: he's kind enough to join us from Kansas City, where

2122
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 2: the Bearcats have advanced in the Big Twelve tournament. Scott

2123
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 2: Springer from The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com Scott, that

2124
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 2: was a little bit uncomfortable towards the end, but I

2125
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 2: never completely felt like the game was that much in doubt.

2126
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:56,639
Speaker 2: What was the vibe in case, Yeah, kind of the same.

2127
01:53:56,840 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 13: You know, Terrence Brown goes nuts there towards the end.

2128
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 13: But you're saying and you know, maybe finally you see

2129
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 13: hits a free throw here late and they made enough

2130
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 13: late they sent a ten out of eighteen, so they

2131
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 13: didn't make one more free throw than they did three pointer.

2132
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 13: But yeah, they at one point they were like one

2133
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 13: out of six from the stripe and it was an

2134
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 13: awful day free thir shooting. And then the game starts,

2135
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 13: you know, fifteen to six, you're going, okay, does somebody

2136
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 13: make a coffee run here?

2137
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 11: What's going on?

2138
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 13: And then they kick it.

2139
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 5: In gear and they look like the bearcatch, so go.

2140
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 13: It should have been thirty one twenty a half because

2141
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 13: Keishanntillery shot the ball too early on the very last shot,

2142
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 13: otherwise had a layup.

2143
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, game of runs.

2144
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 13: Give you talk credit that you know they're not good

2145
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 13: record wise, they probably in another league, are halfway decent

2146
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 13: in the middle of it. But welcome to the Big twelve.

2147
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

2148
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 13: And now you get u see f again tomorrow who

2149
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 13: you split with, and Misstapha Chum gets to play his

2150
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:56,960
Speaker 13: old guys again and Jesse James probably looking forward to

2151
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 13: that game, and so you're allowed to play another day.

2152
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 13: See what happens because you certainly don't know.

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01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 2: Is there a sense that they have to win three

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01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 2: in Kansas City to have a chance on selection someday?

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01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 5: I have heard that.

2156
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 13: Well, I mean, let's face it, if you be the

2158
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,360
Speaker 13: Arizona which would be your third game, how can you

2159
01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 13: not be in at that point?

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01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 2: That's a shoe win for me.

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01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 13: You turn some heads if you win tomorrow and then

2162
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 13: maybe play Arizona. Okay, but I'm not on the selecting

2163
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 13: committee and nor would they ever consider to have me on one.

2164
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 13: But yeah, they still have work to do. You know,

2165
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 13: just beating Utah, I was not really impressing anyone nationwide.

2166
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 13: It's just the fact that you've survived a game. Now,

2167
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 13: you go back a couple of years ago here they

2168
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 13: played a not so good West Virginia team and it

2169
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 13: was kind of nip and tuck after they had blown

2170
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 13: them out in the regular season, and it was kind

2171
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:53,760
Speaker 13: of a shootout game one the previous thing. But then

2172
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 13: the next game, you know, they had Kansas. They won

2173
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:57,280
Speaker 13: that one by twenty.

2174
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 2: They led Baylor.

2175
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 13: In the following game in the quarterfinal at the half,

2176
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 13: so you know, this one's out of the system hopefully

2177
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 13: and maybe they can get things in beer for UCF,

2178
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,360
Speaker 13: and UCF's kind of like, you see, you don't know.

2179
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 2: Which UCF team you're going to get.

2180
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 13: They can they're either world beaters or they just look

2181
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 13: like your average, you know, middle to back team.

2182
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that was the thing for me coming

2183
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 2: into today because for three weeks they look like one

2184
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:24,200
Speaker 2: of the best teams in the country, and then they

2185
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:26,720
Speaker 2: looked like they couldn't complete a pass against TCU, And

2186
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 2: now I'm back to wondering, game in a game out,

2187
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:29,840
Speaker 2: who's going to show up?

2188
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I understand. I was at the TCU game

2189
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 13: and it was really taken aback by all the turnovers

2190
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 13: and and you know, I even asked Jamie Dixon. I said,

2191
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 13: did you just give a blueprint to duc And he goes, well,

2192
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 13: it was our blueprint. And you know, I thought Utah

2193
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:49,200
Speaker 13: played pretty decent defense on them. But in the end,

2194
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 13: you get double doubles from Bobba Miller in the Sapa Chong,

2195
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 13: and I think you're going to win most of those

2196
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 13: games if those two have double doubles. And Miller, you know,

2197
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:02,760
Speaker 13: to me, he still passes up on a lot of shots.

2198
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 13: He's a great passer, but there's so many times I

2199
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 13: see him get the ball inside and then they flipped

2200
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 13: it back outside, and I know it's it's math.

2201
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 2: Three is more than two.

2202
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:14,720
Speaker 13: But sometimes he got a six eleven seven foot guy in.

2203
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 2: There for a bank shot. It's like, why wouldn't you

2204
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 2: take that? I know you have a lot to do.

2205
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 2: Thank you for squeezing us in. If the same opportunity

2206
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,600
Speaker 2: presents itself tomorrow, we will not say no.

2207
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 5: All right, We'll see what happens.

2208
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that, says Scott Springer, covering the Bearcats

2209
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 2: in Kansas City for The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com.

2210
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 2: I don't know how long this is, but Wes Miller

2211
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 2: just got done chatting with the media in Kansas City.

2212
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,960
Speaker 2: Here is the head coach of the Bearcats talking with

2213
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:44,520
Speaker 2: reporters in the aftermath of his team's opening round win.

2214
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, we think we tied for seventh in the league,

2215
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 4: but lost to tie breaker with a couple other teams.

2216
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 4: So the way I look at it, we get to

2217
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 4: play today on the first day like that was.

2218
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 2: I take it.

2219
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 4: It's just blessing and I have a lot of respect

2220
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:06,640
Speaker 4: for Utah. You look, we played them. It feels like

2221
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 4: a month ago now, But when you were doing the scout,

2222
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 4: they were in every game, like they had so many

2223
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 4: opportunities to win games.

2224
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 2: They were in every game, and.

2225
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 4: We had to play really well at home at the

2226
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:19,520
Speaker 4: end to come back and win. And I thought we

2227
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:21,840
Speaker 4: did a nice job after we got the jitters out.

2228
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 2: We stayed in it with our defense in the first half.

2229
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 4: Then we started rebounding and running and it was a

2230
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 4: little bit of a lid on it early, but our

2231
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:32,200
Speaker 4: defense kept us in it, and I thought we played

2232
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 4: well there for a while. And give give a we

2233
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 4: push out a double figure lead, but give credit to

2234
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 4: them for making a run. They haven't they haven't been

2235
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 4: able to get buried all year, like you know they're

2236
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 4: going to kind of come back and fight, and so

2237
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 4: they made a nice run. It feels like Terrence Brown

2238
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 4: made every mid range shot during that run, so give

2239
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 4: him some credit. But I thought our guys at the

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01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 4: under four time out did a nice job of like regrouping, executing,

2241
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 4: and then finding the way to get some stops some

2242
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 4: of the blocks at the basket lead.

2243
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,200
Speaker 2: We're big fource coach.

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01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 9: You've talked all year about how important you're bid and

2245
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 9: ch is when you look at that twelve oh run

2246
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 9: to close the first half.

2247
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 11: How crucial was the play of Key Shawn, Shawn and

2248
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 11: Sincere at both ends of the court.

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01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 4: I actually said that to the team in the locker

2251
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 4: room just now that I thought our bench was the

2252
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:26,640
Speaker 4: catalyst star success tonight that run in the first half,

2253
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:28,120
Speaker 4: and they had some really good minutes there in the

2254
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 4: second half in a run as well. So complete team

2255
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:34,640
Speaker 4: effort and our bench was extremely important to us winning

2256
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 4: this game.

2257
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:40,320
Speaker 2: Wes Miller chatting with the assembled media in Kansas City

2258
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 2: UC and UCF tomorrow at three o'clock. We have been

2259
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:48,200
Speaker 2: busy today. My thanks to Tarren Bland for producing. My

2260
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 2: thanks to you for listening. We are back tomorrow at

2261
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 2: three oh five more on the Bengals and whatever may happen.

2262
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 2: We'll also chat with our guy, doctor Jonathan Slaughter about

2263
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:02,280
Speaker 2: Hunter Green and so much more. Are we to Kentucky? Oh,

2264
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:06,400
Speaker 2: that's right, we're on. Yeah late, I forgot. There's so

2265
02:00:06,440 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 2: many moving parts. That's right, the UK Games at twelve thirty.

2266
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm guessing we'll get on the air.

2267
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 5: Tara.

2268
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,240
Speaker 2: Let's have a contest. Let's see who comes closest. Now,

2269
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 2: you can rig this because you produced the show. What

2270
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 2: time will our music hit for us to go on

2271
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:24,760
Speaker 2: the air tomorrow. I'm gonna say about three forty five,

2272
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,400
Speaker 2: all right, I'll say three thirty nine, So we're both

2273
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 2: gonna be close. They're not going to do a ninety

2274
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,320
Speaker 2: minute post game show tomorrow, right, So we'll be on

2275
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 2: roughly at three thirty, reacting to the Kentucky game, reacting

2276
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:43,880
Speaker 2: to the Bearcat game, setting up the Xavier game, the

2277
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:47,680
Speaker 2: latest one, Hunter Green, and maybe the Bengals will sign

2278
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:49,920
Speaker 2: somebody else, I certainly hope. So anything you aams go

2279
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Speaker 2: find on the iHeartRadio app or Paul Danner Junior conversations

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Speaker 2: on there. Right now, have a great night, Thank you

2281
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Speaker 2: for listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow at three thirty

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