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Speaker 4: Welcome into RNL Carriers, or make it six oh nine.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting so excited and I'm getting ahead of myself.

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Speaker 4: Bengals announcing Andrew Whitworth as Thursday Night's ruler of the jungle.

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Speaker 4: It's a white out versus the Steelers at pay Corps.

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Speaker 4: They will practice tonight. It's not expected that Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 4: That's good news. The Roundtable Show moves up a day

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Speaker 4: this week. I'm with Rocky Tomorrow night Long Necks in

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Speaker 4: with us twenty fourth ranked Bearcats head to Stillwater to

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Speaker 4: take on Oklahoma State on Saturday. Quarterback Brendan Soresby named

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Speaker 4: it the Johnny Uniteds Golden Arm Award Top twenty five Lists. Today,

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Speaker 4: Dante Corleone named the Lombardi Award Mid Season watch List.

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Speaker 4: Talk You See Football after US at eight, It's the

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Speaker 4: Scott Saderfield Show. Major League Baseball Playoffs Game two NLCS

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Speaker 4: It's Yama Moto versus Peralta, first pitch eight to oh eight.

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Speaker 4: Miller says big man Jalen Haynes is out indefinitely with

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Speaker 4: boards per game for George Mason last year and earning

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Speaker 4: All First Team A ten honers. Soccer FC Cincinnati beginning

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Speaker 4: the build up for Saturday's regular season finale against Montreal.

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Speaker 4: Laurel Faylor of Queen City Press reports Kai Kamara resumed

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Speaker 4: training after returning from international duty, as did ender Ichinik

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Speaker 4: after exiting Venezuela's camp due to injury, but the Orange

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Speaker 4: among others. Golf, Congrats to the Anderson High School golf teams.

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Speaker 4: This past weekend. The Raptors sent two teams to the

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Speaker 4: The guest list, the doc at the show Rundown tonight

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Speaker 4: looks as follows minutes away from checking in with Terrence Moore.

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Speaker 4: What a cool story and what a cool book. He's

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Speaker 4: the author of the new book My Big Red Machine.

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Speaker 4: He grew up here as a Reds fan, that then

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Speaker 4: he covered that Big Red Machine team, and now he

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Speaker 4: has written about that Big Red Machine team. Coming up

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Speaker 4: Resolve on a really really cool new documentary in the

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Speaker 4: works for Miami Football in the Cradle of Coaches seven

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Speaker 4: thirty five. Tonight, the Captain Justin Vive back for another

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Speaker 4: season at age thirty six with the Cincinnati Cyclones, who

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Speaker 4: on seven hundred WLW six seven hundred WLW. Welcome into

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Speaker 4: the RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm

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Speaker 4: Lance McAllister man. I can't wait to talk with my

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Speaker 4: his story about calling Walter Alston at home one night.

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Speaker 4: His new book is another must read, My Big Red Machine,

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Speaker 4: The Tails, Drama and Revelations of a fan term journalist

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Speaker 4: covering Baseball's greatest team. What a treat to welcome in,

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Speaker 4: Terrence Moore. Terrence, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I? I'm doing quite well, Lance, And there's always great

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Speaker 2: time for the Suscid Inquirer. I mean you can't make

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Speaker 4: I got chills when I read your account, and I

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Speaker 2: Well, and let's back track, okay, sixty eight. I bought

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Speaker 2: I said no. He said, okay, well you work for

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Speaker 2: Next year after that. This is unbelievable because May of

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Speaker 2: it got awful. Let us another story. So after sports

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Speaker 2: I I know this and I said yes. He said,

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Speaker 2: And now it went from there for the next decades

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Speaker 1: You pick up.

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Speaker 4: You picked up so many nuggets for this book along

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Speaker 4: the way that I'm just fascinated by. To the late

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Speaker 4: And even Sperky told you about the sense he had

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Speaker 2: He did, he did, And I'm sat with Bob Howse

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Speaker 2: But Bob Housen and last you probably know going up

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Speaker 2: architect of that machine. But he said nothing. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: My big red machine, take a time out of come back? Yes,

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Speaker 4: that Miami Redhawk related story the Cradle of Coaches. As

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Speaker 4: I cannot wait. I have been privy to see the

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Speaker 4: The documentary is the Cradle of Coaches. I have in

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Speaker 7: Not necessarily a light bulb moment, but Alisha Lipton as

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Speaker 5: What was it like.

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Speaker 6: that foot experience, it means the world to them and

435
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 6: they will do anything for Miami.

436
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Speaker 4: The sense of pride. I told you how moving it

437
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 4: was just in the trailer when you see them sit

438
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 4: down to begin the interview, and just the sense of

439
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: pride that comes through just the trailer that they have.

440
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 4: You can feel it is when you have that collection

441
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 4: of people all from one school. Is there something in

442
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 4: all of their DNA that's woven through it?

443
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Speaker 2: Is?

444
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: How does it? How does it happen that it's this school?

445
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: And that's why as we say, what's in the water

446
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: in Ohio? What's going on?

447
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 5: You know?

448
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: And they all just since most of them are from Ohio.

449
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Speaker 8: They're also really humble.

450
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they're so humble that you sit them

451
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Speaker 7: down and Scott starts like listing all their accolades, and

452
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 7: they almost get like shy, like coy about it, right,

453
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 7: I mean truly, and you have to tell them like,

454
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 7: I know you're humble, but we've got to talk about

455
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 7: all the great things that you've done even since you've

456
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 7: left Miami.

457
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

458
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 6: Interview McVeigh and Chris Shula an interview in Joe Caniglio,

459
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Speaker 6: who's on the staff out there, and for the l

460
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Speaker 6: A Rams and saying, hey, you were on the same

461
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 6: dorm floor as a Shula in a McVeigh how how

462
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 6: cool was that? And and kinnicular I was like, we

463
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 6: were just playing video games eating pizza.

464
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: We really didn't.

465
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 5: It was.

466
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, because they didn't. If you if you talk

467
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 6: to Chris Sula, he'll never he interviews himself as Chris.

468
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 6: He's never Chris Shula. He does not want to be

469
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 6: known as Don Shula's grandson because he wants to carve

470
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 6: his own path. Sure, every one of these guys is

471
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 6: the same way. They are remarkable human beings. He just

472
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Speaker 6: wanted you just want to hang out with him, You

473
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Speaker 6: want to surround yourself. I mean, Aaron Kromer took us

474
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Speaker 6: out to dinner. He's the offensive line coach for the Bills.

475
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 6: He took us out to dinner. And it was hanging

476
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Speaker 6: out with you find we yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's

477
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Speaker 6: been amazing.

478
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Speaker 4: So when when you're putting together all the interviews for this,

479
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Speaker 4: what else in terms of footage did you have to

480
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 4: archive for old game footage, newspaper clippings, what's it like

481
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Speaker 4: backfilling everything else just to make it come a lot.

482
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Speaker 7: We're in that process right now actually Land, so we

483
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 7: are going to finish up production, so getting a couple

484
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 7: more interviews. So we're actually headed to Connecticut next week.

485
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 7: We're going to be talking to Chris Berman. I think

486
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 7: that's a pretty well known name that everybody knows around here.

487
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 7: We're going to talk to some of karm Koza's old

488
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 7: Yale players, and then over the next few months we're

489
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 7: going to go to actually Baton Rouge and go to

490
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Speaker 7: LSU Land and talk to some of Paul Dietel's old players,

491
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Speaker 7: and then we're going to wrap up some additional interviews

492
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 7: in December. So so those are kind of coming together still,

493
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Speaker 7: and we're really looking for a Fall of twenty twenty

494
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 7: six release. That's sort of the thought process that we

495
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 7: have and uh yeah, so so those are to come.

496
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Speaker 7: I mean, we've started our homework. We've started that research.

497
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Speaker 7: Typically when we meet with people, they want to hand

498
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 7: off things to us too, so we're we're getting quite

499
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 7: a lot when we when we meet.

500
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Speaker 8: With them as well.

501
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Speaker 6: Miamis they have they have playbooks, pencil drawn playbooks from

502
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 6: Paul Brown there and we view bank and I'm holding

503
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 6: this stuff. It's like holding Shakespeare stuff. And they're like,

504
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 6: no taking out, no big deal. So I mean to

505
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 6: hold that stuff, to hold Paul Brown's playbooks that are

506
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 6: pencil drawn. It just gives me chills just thinking about

507
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 6: it right now. And there's not many people that but

508
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 6: Miami has it, and Miami wants Miami wants to let

509
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 6: the world know that it's there. And they have archives

510
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 6: that John Pond, They have all kinds of stuff, and

511
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 6: these guys because they all a lot of them came

512
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 6: back and lived there John Pond, you know, we we

513
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 6: went back and lived there for all these years. They

514
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 6: have all of his stuff and all these guys love

515
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 6: Miami so much they just donated everything to the archives

516
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 6: of King Library.

517
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Speaker 4: So does all of this get edited squeezed into one episode?

518
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 4: Is it a series? Are there ten parts? What are

519
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 4: we looking what are we looking at? How to be presented.

520
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 8: That's a great question. So it depends on who we

521
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 8: sell it to.

522
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 7: But it can kind of morph, right, So point we

523
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 7: have thought about what does it look like if it's

524
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 7: an episodic, if it's a two episode series.

525
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 8: You know, we don't have a big conflict hook. We

526
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 8: have a hook, right, there is a hook.

527
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 7: So getting from episode one to episode two, you're gonna

528
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 7: want to hang in there for episode two to hear

529
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 7: what happens. But it could be a full feature documentary.

530
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 7: But we have it right now set to you know,

531
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Speaker 7: two episodes.

532
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

533
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Speaker 4: I don't want to put names into your mouths, but

534
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Speaker 4: I mean, would in consideration be like could this be Netflix?

535
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 4: Could it be HBO, could it be ESPN? All those

536
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: potential platforms.

537
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

538
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're having some really great conversations, which is awesome.

539
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 7: I think that there's a lot of great potential. I

540
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 7: think that Cincinnati, we will be proud to know that

541
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 7: this production company here locally based Cincinnati. You know, we've

542
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 7: been pulling from a team here in Cincinnati is creating

543
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 7: a documentary that could live on one of those platforms.

544
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, speaking of leadership, every time we talk about a

545
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 6: Netflix or a Hulu or NFL Network whatever. They go,

546
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 6: oh well some of my me as it works there.

547
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 6: I get to the COT I'm like, okay, great. You know,

548
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 6: there's no roadblocks.

549
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: Everybody is like, oh well, there's somebody at my somebody,

550
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: some executive at NBC Sports works at Miami. We'll get you.

551
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: We'll get your lunch with them. Great.

552
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: I would think a cool part of this with the

553
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 4: Resolve being locally based, this sounds like it's not going

554
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: out and hiring freelancers from Boston, La, parts of the county.

555
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: It's it's the core here that knows, knows the essence

556
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 4: of everything you're doing.

557
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we look, I mean, we live this. You know

558
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Speaker 1: I didn't.

559
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 6: I didn't play for Molar or Saint X or whatever.

560
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 6: But you know, we live Southwestern football.

561
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Speaker 8: I am a ringer now at Trivia, right. But it's

562
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 8: a specific We get.

563
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: What they're trying to do.

564
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 6: We get what they're trying to do, you know, we understand.

565
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 6: And and somebody came to them early on and said

566
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 6: you should hire somebody local. And it got you know,

567
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 6: because they could have easily went to La or New

568
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 6: York and said, hey, we're going to hire this company they're.

569
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Speaker 1: Going to do it all.

570
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 6: It would have had no feel No, no, not at all.

571
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 6: I didn't play high school football, but boy, I feel

572
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 6: like that. We feel like that we were the right

573
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 6: company to land this.

574
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 8: We bleed Miami at this point.

575
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 7: I would say, I mean, you see me now, I'm

576
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 7: wearing my Miami sweatshirt that has a Cradle of Coaches logo.

577
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 8: And amalonic by the way, my kids wear Miami gear.

578
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 8: My kids are all about it.

579
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 5: You know.

580
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 7: They've been so kind to let them be on the sidelines.

581
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 7: You know, Scott Thompson his kids the same way. I mean,

582
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 7: we're kind of bleeding Miami at this point, and it's great.

583
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 7: I mean, we walk on campus and we get to

584
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 7: talk and interact with the president, the marketing team, the

585
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 7: ad David Saylor, They're all.

586
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 8: Amazing, and they had been great about opening the doors

587
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 8: for us, which.

588
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 6: Is off there hit twenty seven. We can be up

589
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 6: there in fifty eight minutes and no problem. But you know,

590
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 6: if they would hire some of New York, it would

591
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 6: have been a different feel. Sure, yeah, are we talking

592
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 6: at some point?

593
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 5: Then?

594
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: Like a.

595
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 4: World premiere, A right, curpets, spotlights, crossing and dignitaries dressed

596
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: up and walking in all of that.

597
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, there will be some VIP screenings. I'll be sure

598
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 7: to slip and invite your way Lance. Yeah, but that's

599
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 7: all should be happening, you know, within the next several months. Right,

600
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 7: that's the exciting part. But well, we'll definitely keep you

601
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 7: posted on that.

602
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

603
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

604
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: Is there anything I thought I came in fully prepared?

605
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: Is there anything I've left out? Is there any nugget

606
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: or note that you say, Oh, I wish you would

607
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: have asked me about this.

608
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 7: You know, I think that the connections, the network, you know,

609
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 7: it all started at this what we say as a

610
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 7: relatively small school, but the network is so expansive. I mean,

611
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 7: it was kind of surprising to me is once you

612
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 7: talk to one person in the NFL, they knew ten

613
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 7: more people. And they all came from Miami University, which

614
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 7: was so incredible to me. All these coaches, you're talking

615
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 7: the Raiders, You're you're talking the Dolphins, the Jaguars, right,

616
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 7: I mean, they're just they're they're kind of pop up everywhere.

617
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: You talk about. Patt and Nardoozy.

618
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 6: We were at you know, University of Pittsburgh walking through

619
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 6: their facilities and they share facilities with the Steelers. We're

620
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 6: walking through and we usually have Miami stuff on, and

621
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 6: we've got just people walking in the hallway, love and honor,

622
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 6: love and honor, and we're like, well, you know, but

623
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Speaker 6: I think it's expectations. I think if we were wearing

624
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 6: Ohio State stuff, you would think that you'd get that

625
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 6: Ohio thing because it's such a large school, has so

626
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 6: many alumni. But we walked through them and we hear

627
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 6: love and honor all here in the airport all the time, right.

628
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

629
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 6: And we were interviewing Nardoozy at pitt and he was

630
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 6: like one of my assistants went to Miami too, and

631
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 6: he would love to be interview We interviewed him. He

632
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 6: was one of our best interviews we did for all

633
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 6: the ages. He's in the trailer and it was only

634
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 6: because all because we had our Miami stuff on, and

635
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 6: those guys were like, I'll clear my schedule if it's

636
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 6: from Miami.

637
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 5: You got me.

638
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 6: What do you need that doesn't happen. I've been working

639
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 6: in twenty six years in this business. You used to

640
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 6: do a lot of network stuff for ESPN NFL network.

641
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 6: You get twenty minutes Max with a coach they're giving us.

642
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 6: They John Harbust sat down, he was like, I'm yours.

643
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 6: However long we could say here for three hours in

644
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 6: time on Miami and.

645
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 7: He sang the fight it's unprompted, unprompted. So that kind

646
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 7: of content is actually really great and we have it

647
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 7: on our Instagram channel.

648
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: So that was gonna be my final question. We're listening

649
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: right now. If they want to see the trailer follow

650
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 4: with what's going on?

651
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: How do they do it?

652
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 7: If you search Cradle of Coaches and if you search

653
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 7: Cradle Coaches documentary you should find content. But there is

654
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 7: an Instagram channel where you can get some exclusive behind

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Speaker 7: the scenes pieces of content as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, this was really cool. I wish we had

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Speaker 4: more time and I can't wait till it comes out.

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Speaker 8: Oh come back.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely considered the the invite extended Scott Jesse, great meeting you,

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Speaker 4: congrats on this and best of luck wrapping it all up.

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Speaker 8: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you take a time out of continue Sports

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Speaker 4: Talk on a Tuesday night r NOL Carrier Sports Talk

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Speaker 4: presented by Kelsey Chever Life seven hundred WW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes between seven pm and eight pm all right,

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Speaker 1: let's keep rolling.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: That was an action packed, rapidly moving first hour. Holy cow.

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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed the conversation with Terrence More, author of

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Speaker 4: My Big Red Machine. Grew up a Reds fan of

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Speaker 4: the Big Red Machine, got to cover the Big Red

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Speaker 4: Machine and has written about the Big Red Machine. And

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Speaker 4: he's not kidding when he says the stuff that he

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Speaker 4: gathered over the years from both Bob Houseman and Sperky

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Speaker 4: Anderson others. It is a fantastic read and what a

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Speaker 4: treat to talk with. Scott Thompson and Jesse Herron have

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Speaker 4: resolved with the Cradle of Coaches.

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Speaker 1: I just went out.

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Speaker 4: If you follow me on Twitter ex Atlancemacallister, I just

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Speaker 4: retweeted that trailer that I first posted back in February.

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Speaker 1: The trailer's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I can't even imagine how cool seeing the entire project

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Speaker 4: is going to be. Cradle of Coach is Stay tuned

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Speaker 4: with details to follow. All right, what do you say

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Speaker 4: We've got this hour? Justin Vibe the Cyclone Team Captain

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Speaker 4: season open Saturday night. We'll talk with Justin Vibe coming

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Speaker 4: up around seven thirty five tonight. We'll do on this

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Speaker 4: date in sports history, Cincinnati Sports around seven to fifty.

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Speaker 4: But how about some Reds conversation to begin the hour,

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Speaker 4: and from this standpoint, would you trade Hunter Green to

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Speaker 4: get that bat? Let's make that in the official start

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Speaker 4: of our off season conversation. Let's kind of make that

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Speaker 4: question number one, should the Reds trade Hunter Green to

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Speaker 4: acquire a bat? Now, it's not my idea, it's not

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Speaker 4: my brilliant idea. I'm not taking credit for it. I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying that's become like a talking point so far

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Speaker 4: on the off season. Last week was the last week

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Speaker 4: ten days or so ago, Nick Crawl and Brad Metter

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Speaker 4: met with the media year in Review an off season

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Speaker 4: look ahead, and one of the things that was asked

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Speaker 4: about mentioned in the pursuit of a bat by both

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Speaker 4: Mark Sheldon MLB dot Com and Gordon Whitmeyer the Acquirer,

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Speaker 4: was that, I'm paraphrasing here something along the lines of

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Speaker 4: would you be open as you pursue a bat for

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Speaker 4: this offense? Would trading Hunter Green be a possibility? And

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Speaker 4: Nick downplayed such talk and pointed to the importance of

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Speaker 4: pitching depth and how do you replace innings if you

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Speaker 4: trade him? And there was nothing specific that came out

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Speaker 4: of it. But what's come out of it is a

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Speaker 4: dialogue in a conversation among fans and who doesn't like

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Speaker 4: offseason hot stove baseball conversation about the Reds of.

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Speaker 1: Would that make it? Would there be anything to that?

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Speaker 4: For two years the Reds have gone without adding that

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Speaker 4: air quotes elusive bat? What if you used Hunter Green

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Speaker 4: to get that bat?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 4: I will tell you up front. Well, I won't tell

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Speaker 4: you up front right away. Let me set up some

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Speaker 4: stuff here.

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Speaker 5: This sea.

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Speaker 4: And he was an All Star just twenty six years

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Speaker 4: old to seventy eight, earned run average to seventy six.

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Speaker 4: Over his last two seasons, he's made forty five starts,

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Speaker 4: his earned run averages to seventy six. He has a

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Speaker 4: contract that is below market value and team friendly, I

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Speaker 4: mean really team friendly. They signed him to a six year,

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Speaker 4: fifty three million dollar deal with a team option. This

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Speaker 4: coming season. He will make a grand total of eight

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Speaker 4: point three million dollars. That's it in baseball terms, in

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Speaker 4: starting pitching terms, that's it. Now, that's a lot to

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Speaker 4: you and me for a starting pitcher. That's nothing. He

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Speaker 4: will be right now the fifty sixth highest paid starting

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Speaker 4: pitcher in all of baseball next year, excluding any new

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Speaker 4: deals that may be signed, there are twenty nine starting

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Speaker 4: pitchers under contract for next year that will make at

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Speaker 4: least twenty million a year. Zach Wheeler is going to

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Speaker 4: make forty two million next year. Jacob de Grom's gonna

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Speaker 4: make thirty eight. Sonny Gray. I love Sonny Gray, but

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Speaker 4: Sonny Gray's gonna make thirty five million dollars next year.

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Speaker 4: Louis Severino twenty five million, Robbie Ray twenty five million,

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Speaker 4: Eduardo Rodriguez twenty one million. Joe Musgrove is gonna make

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Speaker 4: twenty million next year. Hunder Green's gonna make eight point three.

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Speaker 4: They've got him for twenty twenty six, twenty seven, and

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Speaker 4: twenty eight, and they've got a team option for twenty

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Speaker 4: nine that is as team friendly as it gets.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: To be fair, there's some durability concerns. I don't have

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Speaker 4: to tell you that each of his four years, he's

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Speaker 4: been on the injured list at least once a season.

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Speaker 4: This season a couple of times pitched a career law

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Speaker 4: one hundred and seven and two thirds innings. His career

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Speaker 4: high is only one hundred and fifty and a third.

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Speaker 4: He's never thrown more than one hundred and fifty and

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Speaker 4: a third innings in a major league season. He's got

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Speaker 4: a Tommy John surgery in his history. He's just twenty

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Speaker 4: six years old. I understand the starting point of the

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Speaker 4: conversation because they're gonna have to be creative in order

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Speaker 4: to get this back. But I'm gonna put a period

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Speaker 4: right there and maybe another dot dot dot dot. But

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Speaker 4: there is absolutely no way I'm trading Hudder Green for

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Speaker 4: a bat. I want a bat. They need a bat.

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Speaker 4: They've acknowledge they need a bat. I'm not trading. There

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Speaker 4: has got to be a better way than trading Hunter

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Speaker 4: Green to get that bat. Figure it out, because he's

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Speaker 4: too valuable at those numbers. That's gold. That contract is

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Speaker 4: so incredible good. This year, he'll make eight point three million.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty seven, he will still only make fifteen

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Speaker 4: point three million. In twenty twenty eight, he's only gonna

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Speaker 4: make sixteen point three million. By that point, he will

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Speaker 4: still be the forty fifth highest paid pitcher in Major

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Speaker 4: League Baseball. I'm here to tell you right now there's

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Speaker 4: a better argument of whether hundred Green if there are

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Speaker 4: twenty pitchers better than Hunter Green in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 4: right now, I'm not so sure there's fifteen better than

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Speaker 4: Hunter Green.

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Speaker 1: You would get someone to argue there are ten better.

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Speaker 4: Than Hunter Green. But I guarandeing to you. By twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty seven, when Hunter Green is the forty fifth highest

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Speaker 4: paid starting pitcher, the Reds deal is going to once

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Speaker 4: again look incredibly smart and cost effective for this organization.

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Speaker 4: That is too good a deal to trade him for

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Speaker 4: a bat now, if that means trading nickelodolo, Okay, a

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Speaker 4: conversation we can have. If that means trading Brady Singer,

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Speaker 4: I'm probably not prepared to have that conversation because he's

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Speaker 4: the most durable and reliable picture they have on a

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Speaker 4: staff of guys who get hurt a lot. I just

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Speaker 4: know this, Sorry, find another way you can't deal Hunter

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Speaker 4: Green and that contract to get a bat.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: I think at one point, I'm paraphrasing, Nick had said

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Speaker 4: something along the lines of in the response of maybe

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Speaker 4: you could you could trade a starting picture, not Hunter specifically,

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Speaker 4: but maybe you could trade a starting pitcher for prospects

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Speaker 4: and then use that money if it were Hunter, use

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Speaker 4: the money that you would keep instead of giving it

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Speaker 4: the hunter and use that to sign a free agent

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Speaker 4: or maybe trade for another bat someplace else. It'd be

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Speaker 4: moving his money in another way. But man, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Could could they properly evaluate and develop other teams prospects?

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Speaker 4: If you were going to do that, here are the

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Speaker 4: questions that would come to mind. How do you replace

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Speaker 4: his innings? If you trade a hunter Green? Zac Lytel

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Speaker 4: is not going to be back. Nick Martinez is not

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Speaker 4: going to be back. Can they count on Reht Louder

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six? And if you say yes, what

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Speaker 4: exactly does that mean? How many innings do you think

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Speaker 4: Rehet Louder is going to be able to pitch? When

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Speaker 4: he pitched like nine and a third innings this year,

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Speaker 4: he certainly ain't jumping to one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 4: or one hundred and fifty innings next season. Now, I

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Speaker 4: also think you have to factor in that Great American

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Speaker 4: Ballpark is detrimental to attracting starting pitching in free agency.

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Speaker 4: If you're going to trade a starting pitcher now, you're

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Speaker 4: not gonna get one in free agency. How many agents

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Speaker 4: would stop their client and hold them and say, no,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to Great American ballpark. And I think

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Speaker 4: my other point is, but when it comes to the

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Speaker 4: potential of dealing hunter it's not like they are in

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Speaker 4: a financial bind right now they have to free up money.

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Speaker 4: You can't possibly convince me they're in a financial bind big.

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Speaker 1: Enough to say, oh, we gotta do something.

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Speaker 4: We have got to trade somebody like Hunter Green because

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Speaker 4: we have to get down to budget next year. If

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Speaker 4: you have to trade Hunter Green to get down to

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Speaker 4: budget for twenty twenty six, then just board up the

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Speaker 4: windows and let's not play baseball next year because something's

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Speaker 4: gone horrifically wrong. And I guess another fair question would be,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how high on the list of importance

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Speaker 4: is how would trading Hunter Green impact the fan base?

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Speaker 4: And I think that's an interesting question because I think

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Speaker 4: there are some who've never liked Hunter Green and some

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Speaker 4: who are never ever ever going to like Hunter Green

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Speaker 4: for whatever reason. So maybe as I set this up,

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Speaker 4: there are those saying, absolutely, I'd trade Hunter Green right now.

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Speaker 1: For a bad.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about this. Let me open up the lines

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Speaker 4: five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred,

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Speaker 4: the big one, our first real off season question, and

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Speaker 4: I we'll get into a long list of questions for

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Speaker 4: the offseason. I'm interested in just one tonight because it's

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Speaker 4: what everybody's talking about. Should the Reds consider trading Hunter

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Speaker 4: Green to acquire that elusive bat? Your calls are next, five, one, three, seven,

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Speaker 4: four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the Big One.

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Speaker 4: It's Arnel Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven

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Speaker 4: hundred WLW four seven hundred WLW RNL Carrier Sports Talk

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Speaker 4: presented by Kelsey cheval At. I'm Allance Pacallister. I'm on

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Speaker 4: x Twitter at Lance Pacallister. I'd be honored if you follow,

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Speaker 4: and I'm all fired up tonight. I love baseball conversations.

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Speaker 4: I loved our guest in the first hour. I love

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Speaker 4: a good baseball conversation. And again I I I just

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Speaker 4: think one. I'm a hundred Green fan, uh. And I've

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Speaker 4: I've fought the good fight for those who thought he

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Speaker 4: should have been a closer, that he was a bust,

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Speaker 4: that he was this, he wasn't that.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And I just I'm I'm a fan of his from

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Speaker 4: the standpoint of I I appreciate the skill set and

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Speaker 4: I know the value of it in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 4: and to me. He and that contract is way too

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Speaker 4: valuable to this organization to trade it for a bat.

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Speaker 4: Now we keep saying bat, and I don't attach a

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Speaker 4: name to the bat because there's no specifics. Might be

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Speaker 4: a different conversation if that's bat. If that bat's name

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Speaker 4: is Bobby Witt Junior or Fernando Tatist Junior or Aaron Judge,

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Speaker 4: but the chances are it's not going to.

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Speaker 3: Be that name.

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Speaker 4: But in general, man, there, that is just too good.

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Speaker 4: The Reds made a bet, they made a calculation. They

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Speaker 4: looked at Hunter Green, and they made a projection. We

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Speaker 4: think he's going to be really good. Let's offer him

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Speaker 4: the security of a six year deal with an option

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00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: for a seventh year, and you know, we'll see if

873
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: he accepts it. Maybe he takes the security, maybe he

874
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: thinks he can be worth more and he'll hold off.

875
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: But he wound up taking the financial security at a

876
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 4: really nice dollar amount, but a really really nice dollar

877
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: amount for this organization based on his production, the fifty

878
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: sixth highest paid pitcher in baseball going into next season.

879
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: That's incredible.

880
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: Of all the things you can say about this organization,

881
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: and Nick Krawl say that they got Hunter Green as

882
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: the fifty sixth highest paid pitcher in the game, because

883
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 4: there isn't a general manager in baseball who would say.

884
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: That's not a hell of a deal.

885
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 4: Out to the phones, we go Dell Hyde, Brendan, you

886
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 4: are on seven hundred WLW, Hey go on you.

887
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Are What do you make of all this?

888
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 9: You know, the way I look at it is is

889
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 9: when you have Hunter Green, who to me is an

890
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 9: he's an aces ace. I mean, he is a top

891
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 9: when he's healthy. Know, he's a top ten, potentially top

892
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 9: five pitcher in baseball. And if you are willing to

893
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 9: get rid of that guy, and especially if you're not

894
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 9: talking about getting major league talent back, if you're talking prospects,

895
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 9: what does that say to the rest of your roster?

896
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 9: You know, are you punting on this roster and saying, well,

897
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 9: let's just look to the future and let's look to

898
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 9: you know, three to four years down the road. And

899
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 9: I think when you have talent like an La Da

900
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 9: La Cruz and a potential Matt McLain and Marte, It's like,

901
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 9: how can you say that you know, not that he

902
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 9: said that directly, but how could you say you're going

903
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 9: to trade somebody like Hunter Green and not guarantee yourself

904
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 9: major league talent.

905
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: Yes, that a ten.

906
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And for how long did we say this organization

907
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: hasn't developed a starting pitcher since Tom Browning and finally

908
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 4: they have. You got to wrap your arms around him

909
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: and not let him go anywhere exactly.

910
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 9: And I really like the point you brought up about

911
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 9: Rhet Louder too. And I didn't really think about it,

912
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 9: but you know, everybody's talked about him being in the

913
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 9: rotation next year, but his availability next year is gonna

914
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 9: be very, very limited because of only thirty nine innings.

915
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: No doubt, I mean there, I can't imagine they'd let

916
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 4: him get I'm maybe close to one. I don't even

917
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: know if they let him get to one fifty. So

918
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to manage him the whole season. You

919
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: just don't take somebody who's coming off an injury, who's

920
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: one of your top prospects and say, okay, jump from

921
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: nine to a third innings to one hundred and fifty

922
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: innings in one season. That's a that's a recipe for

923
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: arm injury, shoulder injuries, exactly.

924
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 9: And I think Chaise Burn is kind of a nice

925
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 9: conversation too. Yes, so, yeah, that's kind all I got.

926
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 5: For you, Lance.

927
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 9: I really appreciate it.

928
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 4: That's all I need. Enjoyed the conversation. Thank you and

929
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: call again. Let me go to Westchester. Jeff, what do

930
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: you think of all this?

931
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: Hey?

932
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm good. How about you?

933
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 10: I'm fine. There's one one variable here in this equation

934
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 10: no one's talked about. Yes, when you talk about getting

935
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 10: something back in return, you have to get somebody back.

936
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 10: That's fits the finance, ual exturience restraints of this club. Now,

937
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 10: if you could trade, say Hunter for the wit Kid,

938
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 10: and let's say Toronto would pay half his salary, Kansas

939
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 10: City is something like that, Kansas City, would you pull

940
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 10: the trigger on that?

941
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: I can't absolutely, yeah, I can't see. I can't see

942
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 4: salary one. I can't see Bobby Witt being traded, but

943
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: I just can't see him covering the money to do

944
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 4: it as well. But I think you raise an interesting

945
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: point because you know you may be able if you're

946
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: dealing with the remainder of Hunter's contract that is about

947
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: what the thirty one thirty nine that's thirty nine million guaranteed.

948
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: What kind of bat are you going to be able

949
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: to get for multiple years for thirty I mean, it's

950
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: going to cost you more than thirty nine million dollars

951
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: in all likelihood over four years to get a bat.

952
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 10: And that's my point. The point is you could talk

953
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 10: about this un player all you want. Yes, what you

954
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 10: don't know is how much they're willing to pay right

955
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 10: right and and you know they're gonna get to William

956
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 10: some kid back next year, the LASTI who had to

957
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 10: Tommy John. They're going to get him back. But he's

958
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 10: not a one or two. He's probably a four or five.

959
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 10: But until we get some idea what they're willing to

960
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 10: pony up, you really can't have the conversation because you

961
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 10: got a question mark there is to well, how much

962
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 10: are you willing to spend?

963
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: No doubt, no doubt because there's no there's no bat

964
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: I could imagine available out there that would be the

965
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 4: quality bat that Hunter is arm for the same amount

966
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 4: of money, It's going to cost you a lot more

967
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: money for that bat.

968
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 10: You have to get one of the top ten or

969
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 10: twelve bats in baseball to make that trade even feasible.

970
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 5: But then again, why is it going to cost you?

971
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: Jeff, great question, great phone call. Look forward to our

972
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 4: next you take care of you?

973
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Sorry you as well?

974
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: How good was that? All right, let's come back. Let's

975
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 4: drop the puck with Justin Vive. Maybe on the other

976
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 4: side of that, some more Reds conversation. Arnel Carrier Sports

977
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 4: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet seven hundred WLW.

978
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: All right, let's drop the puck.

979
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: Curtin about to go up on another season of action

980
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 4: and cool promotional nights and giveaways for the Cincinnati Cyclones.

981
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 4: They open the season Saturday Night versus the Wheeling Nailers

982
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: at Heritage Bank Arena. Seven thirty Drop of the puck,

983
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: two dollars, hot dogs, SODA's and beer calendar giveaway to

984
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: the first five thousand fans. And my next guest, who's back.

985
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: He's the captain, He's the franchise favorite. He's the fan favorite.

986
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: He's the franchise all time later in goals and games played.

987
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 4: He's a former Miami Redhawk. He is Justin Vive.

988
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: How are you?

989
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 5: I'm good, Lance. I like the intro. I appreciate it.

990
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: It is great to hear your voice. It is great

991
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: to have you back.

992
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: If if my math calculations are right, this is like

993
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 4: years sixteen and You're eleventh training camp with the cyclothes Is.

994
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: That sou about right?

995
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 5: That is correct?

996
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 4: Yes, let me ask you the obvious question, probably the

997
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 4: question that bores you because everybody's asking you're thirty six?

998
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 4: What keeps you coming back to this sport?

999
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is it's, you know, one

1000
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: career path that once you once you retire and kind

1001
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: of hang them up, you can never really go back.

1002
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 3: So I always kind of told myself that as long

1003
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: as my body and kind of everything was going to

1004
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: allow me to, I was just going to play for

1005
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 3: as long as I could, because once I finally retire,

1006
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: I can't come back.

1007
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: You've seen it all, you've done it all.

1008
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: Are you comfortable offering insight and advice to the young

1009
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: guys on a team like this?

1010
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. I think that's you know, probably one

1011
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 5: of my biggest dassets and.

1012
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: Roles on the team is just to kind of help

1013
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: guide these guys along the pass a lot of first

1014
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: year pros, a lot of guys at first time in

1015
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: this league, So just kind of being that sounding board

1016
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: and giving advice and kind of showing guys the right

1017
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: way to do things.

1018
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: By any chance, do any of your teammates give you

1019
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 4: a hard time. Do they call you gramps or old

1020
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: man or anything.

1021
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: Occasionally I get the back end of something, but I

1022
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: think I think they stay away from it in front

1023
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: of me.

1024
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you've you've played for a lot of coaches

1025
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: over the years. You've got a new one this year

1026
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 4: in Riley Weslowski. Give me your impressions of.

1027
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 5: Him so far awesome.

1028
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: He's he's extremely detailed, very structured, you know, he's very

1029
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: kind of even keel, and he wants us to play

1030
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: the same way, just you know, really detailed in what

1031
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: we're going through. But at the same time, he's going

1032
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 3: to give guys the uh, the ability and kind of

1033
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: the least, so to speak, to make their plays and

1034
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: kind of show their skills.

1035
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 4: I uh. I don't take this as I'm rushing you

1036
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 4: to retire, but have you ever as much as you've

1037
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: seen and done, have you ever thought of coaching when

1038
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 4: you eventually are done.

1039
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely definitely crossed my mind. I think anybody

1040
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: in any career, I guess for that matter, even outside

1041
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: of sports, if you do something for your kind of

1042
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: whole adult life, you know, when once it's finally done,

1043
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: or passed by. You know, you want to stay involved

1044
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: with whatever way you can, and I think I definitely

1045
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: would like to give it a shot and kind of

1046
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: see how.

1047
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: I like it.

1048
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: You know, the city, you know, the fan base. What

1049
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: does this city? What does the Cyclones fan base mean

1050
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 4: to you?

1051
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 3: Oh, they're They're amazing and they're honestly, in that first answer,

1052
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: probably part of the reason why I do keep coming back.

1053
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: You know, the crowd is just keep getting better and

1054
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: better and louder, and uh, you know, it's just so

1055
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: special coming back every year here and haven't seen the

1056
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: same faces and just you know, we have such a

1057
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: great support system through the city and I'm just to

1058
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: keep it, keep it going.

1059
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: I believe congratulations or an order. I was watching an

1060
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 4: interview you did with your play by play voice to

1061
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 4: find play by play voice Rudy Hodgson, you mentioned a

1062
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: new addition to the family or congratulations order for a

1063
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 4: new a new baby.

1064
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 5: By chance, Yes, a new baby. Girl is about four

1065
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 5: months old. Now.

1066
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 4: I'm told from high level, behind the scenes sources there

1067
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 4: might be a story behind that name.

1068
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: Can you tell me the story?

1069
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 5: Well, there's two sides of the story, but.

1070
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 3: One was Yeah, I did play in the city Hartford,

1071
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: so yes, there is a connection there.

1072
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 5: But also my wife actually brought it.

1073
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 3: Up first, and she saw it somewhere and when she

1074
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 3: said it, that was initially exactly what I thought that.

1075
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, I played there first few years.

1076
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 5: I actually really liked it.

1077
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: And so yeah, after that we kind of looked at

1078
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: each other and we were like, that's that's.

1079
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 5: What we're going with.

1080
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: That is awesome.

1081
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: You know, my son is Casey and I named after

1082
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 4: the former Red Sean Casey, and my wife went along

1083
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 4: with it.

1084
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: I love the fact your wife was.

1085
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: Out in front on this, you believe it or not

1086
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: yet she brought up the name first and then it

1087
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: just kind of worked perfectly.

1088
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: It has a bet Hartford has a much better ring

1089
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 4: than like or Greenville or Fort Wayne, doesn't it that guys?

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Speaker 5: For sure?

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Speaker 1: I also have been.

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Speaker 4: Told by high level sources as you may be on

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Speaker 4: at this moment or may have just completed a cruise.

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 5: I am currently cruising down the Ohio as we speak. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Is this on your own or is this like a

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00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: team function?

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Speaker 5: No, We've done it for the past probably eight to

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Speaker 5: ten years.

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Speaker 3: It's a season ticket holder event just to kind of

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00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: kick off the season, the full teams here and just

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00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: kind of a way for us to kind of connect

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00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: with all the.

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Speaker 2: People that put in all the time coming to the

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00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: games and.

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00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 5: Kind of supporting us. So it's definitely a fun event.

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00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: And for all the new guys in the city, it's

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: a definitely a cool thing for them to see the

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00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: city at night all lit up from the river. So

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Speaker 3: we always have fun with it.

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Speaker 1: That is awesome.

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Speaker 4: Cyclones open the season Saturday night versus Wheeling a seven

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00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 4: thirty drop of the puck, two dollars, hot dog, sodas

1114
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 4: and beer. Can't beat that calendar giveaway to the first

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Speaker 4: five thousand fans. Hey again, congratulations, it is so cool

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00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: you are back here. And keep that Rudy Hodgson in

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00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 4: line for me, all right, I will do. I'll let

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Speaker 4: them know, all right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Justin. All right, there you go, justin vibe.

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Speaker 4: How cool is that dude thirty six years old, still

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00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 4: going through the grind because he loves its Sixteenth year

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00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 4: in pro hockey, eleventh year in training camp with the

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Speaker 4: Cyclones and ready to get it going on Saturday. And

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00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 4: how about that A cool get together with the season

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00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 4: ticket orders and fans tonight on a cruise, and he's

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Speaker 4: checking in on a cruise up and down the Ohio River.

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00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: And I love the fact his wife suggested Hartford as

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Speaker 4: the name of their daughter at a city he played in.

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Speaker 4: Quickly is Rudy may have texted me that. I can't

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Speaker 4: confirm that Rudy may have texted that because I was

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00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: looking for some background, and then I immediately went to

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00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 4: Justin's career page and I thought, well, Hertford is a

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00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 4: much better name than some of the other options of

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Speaker 4: cities he played in Meet my daughter Bridgeport, or meet

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Speaker 4: my daughter fort Wayne, or meet my daughter saying it

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Speaker 4: I like Hartford. That's good. All right, let's do this,

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00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: Let's take let's take a time out, come back. Maybe

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00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 4: do a little bit more on hunter Green if we

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Speaker 4: like at five one, three, seven four, nine, seven thousand, one,

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Speaker 4: eight hundred, the Big One. Maybe a little bit on

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 4: on this date in Red's history as well, the Scott

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00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 4: Sanderfield Show coming up at eight o'clock.

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00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: A little bit more reds Conversation.

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00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 4: Next, I feel like it's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented

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00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: by Kelsey Chevale seven hundred WLW down the stretch eight

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00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 4: o'clock hour approaching, that'll be news time, then you see

1147
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 4: football time. Scott Sadfield Show coming up at eight o'clock tonight.

1148
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 4: Thanks for hanging out with me tonight. Love for you

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00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: to join us tomorrow and I'm with Rocky special Wednesday

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Speaker 4: night edition of the Roundtable Show. We're at Long Necks

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00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 4: in Richwood one night, of course in advance of Thursday

1152
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 4: Night Football. Look forward to talking Bengals, Bearcats, high school football,

1153
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: college football, fantasy football, and more tomorrow night, six to nine,

1154
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 4: Long Next in Richwood. Do you ever have a conversation

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00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: with your child? And when I say child, Peyton is

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00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 4: twenty three with a young adult, and it relates to

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00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: what they're listening to and they can't figure out why

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00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: you are listening to it as well, like maybe you've

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00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 4: surprised them. I was texting with Peyton about her thoughts

1160
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 4: on role Models performance on Saturday Night Live. Role Model

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00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 4: is a singer performer, and I was asking what she

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00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 4: thought of role Model and his performance of Sally and

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: the appearance by Charlie. I think it's XCX. I guess

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00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: is what her name is? Charlie XCX. So a long

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00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 4: story and she'd back and forth, and she said she

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00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 4: really likes role Model, and Kelly and I looked at

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00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 4: each other and said, I thought it looked like a

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00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 4: great Brady caricature from a Brady Bunch episode. And then

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00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: the more I listened to it, not watching his performance,

1170
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 4: just listening to it, I'm a it's okay. So I

1171
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,959
Speaker 4: sent another text to her today and I said, I said,

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Speaker 4: do you like the Beaches? And the Beaches is a

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00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 4: group out of England, I think, and I stumbled upon

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00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: him and she said, why are you listening to the

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00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 4: Beaches And I said, well, I just I found them

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Speaker 4: on YouTube after listening to Liza's Kitchen.

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Speaker 1: And her response to me, and the text was simply this,

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Speaker 1: who are you? I love those moments where you're.

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Speaker 4: Like trying to relate to your kids and like I

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00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 4: wasn't going totally out of my way.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to this music today.

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00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: And her response was I got just see the look

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00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 4: on her face and she's typing the response to be

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00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: who are you? You're dropping role Model and the Beaches

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Speaker 4: and Liza on me.

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00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: Yes, I did, Yes, I did, all right.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you the other angle of the Hunter Green

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00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: idea of maybe at least considering trading Hunter Green for

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Speaker 4: a bat. And I don't want to get like too

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00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: far out ahead of this. Nobody's saying this is gonna happen.

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00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 4: It was just a question that was asked of Nick

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00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: Krawl last week in the year end media session. Mark

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00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 4: Sheldon and Gordon Wittmeyer then writing about the possibilities if

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Speaker 4: you're going to get a bat, you're gonna have to

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00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 4: get creative to get a bat, and Nick, let me

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00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 4: again state this. Nick downplayed such talk of trading anybody

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Speaker 4: in particular, and pointing to the importance of the pitching

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Speaker 4: depth and the idea of if you trade pitching, you

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Speaker 4: have to backfill those innings. And think about it for

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Speaker 4: a second. If Zach Ltel's not going to be back,

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: can't imagine he will. If Nick Martinez isn't going to

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00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 4: be back, can't imagine he will. You've got just write

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Speaker 4: him down in no particular order. You've got Hunter Green, Nicolodolo,

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00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 4: Brady Singer, Andrew Abbitt.

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Speaker 1: That's four.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: Three of those four were on the injured list. Abbott

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00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 4: began the season on the injured list, wasn't ready until

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00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 4: what middle of May. Hunter Green a couple of times,

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: Nicolodolo a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: That's four.

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Speaker 4: After that, we would assume Chase Burns. Keep in mind,

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Speaker 4: Chase through about one hundred and what about one hundred

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00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 4: ten innings this year, so he will be monitored next year.

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Speaker 4: It's not like they're gonna go let him blow through

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 4: to two hundred.

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Speaker 1: Innings next year.

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Speaker 4: And Rert Louder I would think in some way, shape

1219
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: or form, at some point would be part of the rotation.

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00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 4: But pitched nine and the third innings this year, even

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Speaker 4: if they let him increase it by one hundred, which

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Speaker 4: I think would be rather dramatic coming off his injuries,

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Speaker 4: that's one hundred and nine innings. So then how do

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00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 4: you piece together the rest of the innings Chase Petty.

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00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 4: But a year ago, right now we were thinking Chase

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Speaker 4: Petty top one hundred prospect man can't wait to see him.

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Speaker 4: And then by the time they saw him once and

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Speaker 4: brought him back a second time, they'd seen him enough

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00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: send him to Triple A and he had a disaster

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Speaker 4: of a season. You've got Brandon Williamson coming off Tommy

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00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 4: John surgery uncertainty. You've got Julian Aggie are coming off

1232
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 4: Tommy John surgery uncertainty. So if you were going to

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Speaker 4: trade a starting pitcher from that mix, then you know

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00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 4: how how many injuries all teams go through. How do

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Speaker 4: you backfill and cover all those innings? Realistically, if you said,

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Speaker 4: but Lance, in order to get a bat, you're probably

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Speaker 4: gonna have to trade an arm, I might. I might

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Speaker 4: sit down and entertain a conversation of trading Nickelodolo in

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Speaker 4: arbitration this offseason. He's probably gonna make it in the

1240
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Speaker 4: neighborhood a four and a half million, and they've got

1241
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 4: him under team control for twenty twenty seven as well,

1242
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 4: before he would hit free agency. So if you were

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01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 4: offering him to another team, you'd say, hey, you'd get

1244
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Speaker 4: him for twenty twenty six and for twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: And arbitration.

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Speaker 4: That would bring you less in return than Hunter Green obviously,

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01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: so there's that angle of all this, But it would

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 4: bring you something for Nickelodolo. But even if it's Nick,

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01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 4: you're filling the innings with who and how comfortable are you.

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Speaker 1: In doing that?

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Speaker 4: Now, that doesn't mean you can't go out and sign

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Speaker 4: a cheaper free agent or some minor league type pitchers

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Speaker 4: who you would have in reserve a TRIAA Louisville. But man,

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Speaker 4: it's you know the story to break into George Grand

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Speaker 4: You know the story trying to cover a season of

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Speaker 4: innings with starting pitching in Major League Baseball in this

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Speaker 4: day and age.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me track the machine tonight before we

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Speaker 1: get out of here.

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Speaker 4: In honor of the fiftieth anniversary of the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 4: five Big Red Machine, we do a daily status check

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Speaker 4: and where that team stood at this point. It's presented

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Speaker 4: has you covered on this eight fifty years ago? Tonight

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Speaker 4: World Series, the Reds beat the Red Sox six to

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Speaker 4: five and ten innings at Riverfront in Game three to

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Speaker 4: take a two to one series lead. Socks tied the

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Speaker 4: game on a ninth inning home run by Dwight Evans.

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Speaker 4: Say Sezar Geronimo let off the bottom of the ninth

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Speaker 4: with a single pinch hitter at Armbrister bunts in front

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Speaker 4: of the plate. He comes out of the box to

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Speaker 4: run to first. Carlton Fisk comes out of his crouch

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Speaker 4: to feel it. They collide. Armbister freezes with Fisk kind

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Speaker 4: of leaning over his back to grab the ball, then

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Speaker 4: throws wildly into center field. An argument ensues from the

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Speaker 4: Socks manager Daryl Johnson about interference. Homeplate umpire Larry Barnett

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Speaker 4: ruled no interference on the play that Armbister had as

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Speaker 4: much right to advance out of the box towards first

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Speaker 4: as Fisk did coming out from behind the plate to

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Speaker 4: grab the ball. From there, Pete Rose was walked to

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 4: load the bases, and Joe Morgan hits a fly ball

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01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 4: over the head of centerfielder Freddie Lynn, the winning runs scorers.

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Speaker 4: The controversy continued the day after. The game featured six

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01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 4: home runs, but the Reds had taken a two games

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Speaker 4: to one lead in the nineteen seventy five Worlds Series,

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 4: setting up Game four tomorrow. I was at that game

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Speaker 4: as a young nine year old, watching Louis Tiant and

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Speaker 4: Freddie Norman. It all happened as we tracked the machine

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Speaker 4: fifty years ago tonight, that is, tracking the machine presented

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Speaker 4: dot net. What else happened on this date in Red's history?

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Speaker 4: While in seventy two, the A's beat the Reds in

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01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 4: the World Series opener on this date in front of

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Speaker 4: fifty two thousand plus at Riverfront, Gene Tennis hits a

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Speaker 4: pair of home runs off Gary Nolan. Tennis's homers came

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Speaker 4: in his first two World Series at bats. He'd hit

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Speaker 4: four home runs during the regular season total, and then

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Speaker 4: he homers in his first two World Series at bats.

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Speaker 4: And he had gone just one for seventeen in the ALCS,

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Speaker 4: but became a thord of the Red Side starting this

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Speaker 4: date fifty years ago. Tonight, all right, I gotta get

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Speaker 4: out of here. I wish I had more time, man.

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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed Terrence more tonight, my big Red Machine.

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Speaker 4: Really enjoyed Scott Thompson and Jesse Herron from Resolve in

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Speaker 4: the Cradle of Coaches documentary and always good catching up

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Speaker 4: with Justin Vibe.

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Speaker 1: The captain the Cincinnati Cyclones.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to Joe Waddell for producing, Thanks to you for

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Speaker 4: taking a listen, keep listening the news followed by UC

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Speaker 4: football conversation with the Scott Saderfield Show. This has been

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Speaker 4: R and L Carrier Sports Doc presented by Kelsey Chevrolet

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Speaker 4: seven hundred WLW