WEBVTT - HR 2 - Phil Bourque Joins the Show 

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the feeling that most of Pittsburgh is happy

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<v Speaker 1>about the Steelers winning France, but not exactly thrilled. New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans isn't any good. The Steelers only scored 16 points.

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<v Speaker 1>It was still a tight game in the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are two games in as many weeks when

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers didn't exactly dominate a lesser team from the

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<v Speaker 1>bad NFC South.

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<v Speaker 2>Understood.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they win, they'll be 6-2 at the bye

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<v Speaker 1>halfway through the season. They'll be 2-2 against teams over 500.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll be in first place in the division. Will that

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<v Speaker 1>be enough for you to think that something is different

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<v Speaker 1>around here? Will beating Cleveland Sunday make you believe?

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<v Speaker 3>8-3-3, 4-1-2, 99-39.

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<v Speaker 4>That's if they beat the Browns on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>6-2 at the bye, halfway through the season, 2-2 against

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<v Speaker 1>teams over.

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<v Speaker 4>500, first place in the division.

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<v Speaker 1>Will that be enough to make you think that something

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<v Speaker 1>is different with the new coaching staff? Because in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>as big of a game as it is against the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns on Sunday at Accresure Stadium, it's still Cleveland in

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh where they never win. This is yet another game

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<v Speaker 1>against a team the Steelers should beat. Just was the

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<v Speaker 1>case against the Indianapolis Colts, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and

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<v Speaker 1>the New Orleans Saints. And for a team that most

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<v Speaker 1>of us in Pittsburgh apparently we don't think is all

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<v Speaker 1>that good, the Steelers keep playing teams that we think

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<v Speaker 1>they should beat. Maybe that's more of a commentary on

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<v Speaker 1>their schedule. Maybe that's more of a commentary on the

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<v Speaker 1>state of the NFL across the board, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Who are the exceptions? New England on the road, Cincy

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<v Speaker 4>at home.

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<v Speaker 1>They split those two games, but those are the only

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<v Speaker 1>times I think most Pittsburghers thought, well, they're not going.

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<v Speaker 4>To win this one.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll ask again, will beating the Cleveland Browns change

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<v Speaker 1>your mind about things being different around here under Mike McCarthy?

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<v Speaker 1>And allow me to answer my own question. If the

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<v Speaker 1>Steelers win another game, they should win here on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>which would be four in a row in such situations

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<v Speaker 1>since losing in Cleveland, I will start to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers are better prepared and better schooled going into

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<v Speaker 1>such situations to not constantly step on the rake and

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<v Speaker 1>trip up in games that they shouldn't lose away from home,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a fatal flaw for Mike Tomlin over his

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<v Speaker 1>last nine years where the team never won a playoff game.

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<v Speaker 1>In that sense, in that specific sense... I will allow

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<v Speaker 1>myself to start to think that things might be different

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<v Speaker 1>under McCarthy. Do I think it will yield a significantly

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<v Speaker 1>different result? No, I still think they're about a 10

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<v Speaker 1>win team and they'll lose the first round of the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>but the path getting there might feel more true and

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<v Speaker 1>not a scramble drill because you lost a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>games that you shouldn't have lost.

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<v Speaker 2>833-412-WXDX.

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<v Speaker 1>The things that I have greater doubt about, things I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not quite as sure about, well, going into this week,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm less sure about who the Browns are. Like, the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns are clearly better. Let's not kid ourselves. The Browns

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<v Speaker 1>are better. And in one sense, you can pat the

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<v Speaker 1>Steelers on the back and at least say, okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this year the loss in Cleveland is somewhat more justified.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the same sense, you also have to admit

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<v Speaker 1>they're more of a threat. Watson is closer to himself,

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<v Speaker 1>further away from injury. The two rookie receivers have given

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<v Speaker 1>the team life. Judkins is healthy and figuring out the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>They've figured out how to use fanning with intent as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to just being an occasional happy accident.

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<v Speaker 4>The Browns are better. They also almost blew.

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<v Speaker 1>It in Tennessee yesterday, and they lost to the Jets.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that regard, you can still go with the

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<v Speaker 1>juju line of the Browns is the Browns.

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<v Speaker 4>They are better.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Steelers should win and beat them in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>They should go 4-0 since that loss up in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's not just me saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just me reiterating a drum that I've been

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<v Speaker 1>pounding since they lost to the Browns in Cleveland on

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<v Speaker 1>that Thursday night. That's the head coach saying the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a listen to Mike McCarthy after the game in

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<v Speaker 1>Paris yesterday when they beat the Saints.

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<v Speaker 5>We talked about it last night in the team meeting.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't really like to look ahead, um, when you

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<v Speaker 5>talk about planning, but this is a four-game series that

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<v Speaker 5>we addressed after losing the game early. It was important

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<v Speaker 5>for us to go 4-0, and so we have that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is a big win. It'll be a very

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyable flight home.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, you talk about saying the quiet part out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what McCarthy did right there. A coach saying he

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about a month's worth of games as one

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<v Speaker 1>collective bunch in October?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's like a cardinal sin, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to.

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<v Speaker 4>Say week to week, one week at a time league,

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<v Speaker 4>one game at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's who we are. That's what we do. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>look ahead. We don't look in chunks. We don't look

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<v Speaker 1>in long segments of time. The only time you're allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to say that as a coach is, for instance, when

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<v Speaker 1>they needed to win all three to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs when they started Mason Rudolph. When they knew the

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<v Speaker 1>next win was going to knock them out of the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>that was pretty much the only time they were allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to look at it as one big chunk. Or I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you another example. When they were 7-5 back in 2005,

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<v Speaker 1>they knew they probably had to win out to get in,

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<v Speaker 1>and they did, and then they eventually went to the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl. But that was December in both cases. Not October.

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<v Speaker 1>Not before Halloween. Not three games in a row to

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<v Speaker 1>get in the playoffs we're talking about with Rudolph. Not

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<v Speaker 1>four games in a row to get in the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>with Big Ben in his second season. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>right now where they've had a month's worth of games

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<v Speaker 1>this early in the season. And we're looking at, admittedly,

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<v Speaker 1>from the coach's point of view, something I've been using

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<v Speaker 1>as talk show fodder. But that was in his head.

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<v Speaker 1>And it came out yesterday. I don't even think it

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<v Speaker 1>was really prompted. I think Mike McCarthy just said that

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<v Speaker 1>as stream of consciousness. That was an NFL coach right

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<v Speaker 1>there breaking the one game at a time rule and saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben's was right. We got to be 4-0 heading into

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<v Speaker 1>the bye from this point on.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm not alone. A lot of other people looked

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<v Speaker 4>that way. A lot of other fans looked at it

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<v Speaker 4>that way.

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<v Speaker 1>That even though they lost to Cleveland, things weren't bleak

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<v Speaker 1>because they had four winnable games, including one more against

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<v Speaker 1>the Browns to get themselves even. They already had the

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<v Speaker 1>win in their back pocket against the Bengals. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>get a week off to rest up between divisional games

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<v Speaker 1>to take on the Bengals. I still would have preferred

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<v Speaker 1>that they take this week off after the trip back

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<v Speaker 1>and then play the two divisional games back to back,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever. It is what it is now, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have the opportunity to put themselves in fantastic position. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the second thing that is different, kind of along those lines,

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<v Speaker 1>is I don't really know what to make of the

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<v Speaker 1>schedule on the back half. A lot of people keep

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<v Speaker 1>saying this, that the schedule at this point is shaping

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<v Speaker 1>up to be a lot softer in the second half

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<v Speaker 1>than what we thought it would be. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>reasons for that to be sure. The Ravens don't look

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<v Speaker 1>as daunting as they did to start the year, but

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<v Speaker 1>Lamar may be back by then. The Eagles certainly don't

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<v Speaker 1>look as good because Hertz is out, but the Steelers

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<v Speaker 1>never win there. I'm not all, my opinion hasn't changed

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<v Speaker 1>all that much on the Broncos. I said that there

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<v Speaker 1>would be a team that would step back this year. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the fact that they've been a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more dicey this year, especially in offense like that to

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<v Speaker 1>me is not that much of a surprise. I still

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<v Speaker 1>think the Jacksonville game is going to be tricky on

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<v Speaker 1>the road. The Texans have lesser of a record than

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<v Speaker 1>we all anticipated, but I think that they've maybe cauterized

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<v Speaker 1>the wound to a certain degree there, but two and

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<v Speaker 1>five is still two and five.

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<v Speaker 4>I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>They, lost to the Giants, and that's certainly momentum derailing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I understand where a lot of people are coming

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<v Speaker 1>from looking at that. The Titans stink. We all knew

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<v Speaker 1>that coming in. That's not a surprise there. And just

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<v Speaker 1>as we're ready to say, well, at least the Panthers,

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<v Speaker 1>the best team in that bad division that they're playing

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<v Speaker 1>across the border in the NFC, they go out and

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<v Speaker 1>get thumped and give up rushing yards like they were

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<v Speaker 1>hemorrhaging on the ground against Tampa Bay. Well, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers do best. So the back half of the

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<v Speaker 1>schedule has changed quite a bit from how we forecasted it.

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<v Speaker 4>To be way back when it came out.

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<v Speaker 1>But then again, it could flip during the season just

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<v Speaker 1>like it has flipped during the season so far.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't be surprised if that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just trying to get a gauge here as

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<v Speaker 1>to whether or not if you were pessimistic, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were guarded in your optimism as I was when the

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<v Speaker 1>coaching change was made, when the season started, you saw

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers come back, you saw them make every effort to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain the same roster going forward under McCarthy with all

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<v Speaker 1>the extensions. If you were like me and you said, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>nine wins, ten wins, playoff ouster in the first round,

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<v Speaker 1>are you changing your mind? Has anything that has happened

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<v Speaker 1>so far allowed you to have a different, more optimistic

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<v Speaker 1>view on where they are? Do you need the Browns

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<v Speaker 1>game to make that happen, or is it still under

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<v Speaker 1>the same tent of, yeah, wake me up in January?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I've seen a lot of, let's stay in our lane,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not get out of control. It was a 16-10

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<v Speaker 1>win over a bad NFC South team again. They needed

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<v Speaker 1>an overtime win to beat a bad NFC South team

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<v Speaker 1>last week.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not saying much.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't, except that I'm damn sure that they would

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<v Speaker 1>have lost.

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<v Speaker 4>One of these two last year. I really am.

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<v Speaker 6>833.

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<v Speaker 4>Harry in Westview.

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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>You're on 105.9 The X.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Tim, not that it's really relevant after the situation,

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<v Speaker 6>but why did McCarthy not accept the field goal and

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<v Speaker 6>decline the penalty and they would have been up by nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Because he had the opportunity to run out the clock.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but you're up by nine. The game's over then.

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<v Speaker 6>What if they would have fumbled the ball?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they could have fumbled. Yeah, I get it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was the right move, personally. I prefer

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<v Speaker 1>that they do it the way that they did it.

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<v Speaker 1>They take the points off the board, and then they just...

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<v Speaker 1>wind down the clock. I didn't have a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>You were worried about them fumbling and having the Saints. Sylvia,

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<v Speaker 1>the Saints going the other way.

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<v Speaker 6>No, but re-watching the game, I just saw that and

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<v Speaker 6>I just thought that could have been an error. You

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<v Speaker 6>know what I'm saying? It's not a big thing.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think it's a big thing at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate the call, Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>There were plenty of opportunities to pick apart McCarthy's coaching.

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<v Speaker 4>After a win last week. In fact, that's all we did.

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<v Speaker 1>They beat the Bucs, and we spent more time complaining

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<v Speaker 1>about McCarthy's decision-making and clock management last week than the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they actually won. I don't think there's as

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<v Speaker 1>much room for blurred lines here. I would have done

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing that McCarthy did. I expected him to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, and I'm not going to second-guess him there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was fine with that decision. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if he got asked about it today in the press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't had a chance yet to go through many

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<v Speaker 1>notes from what was said. But I'll follow those up

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<v Speaker 1>and see if he was asked about it. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a no-brainer. I was fine with that.

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<v Speaker 2>412-833-412-9939.

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<v Speaker 4>You can also tweet me at Tim Benz. P-G-H.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, when we come back, I will give you a

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<v Speaker 1>couple things I didn't like from the game. I've dwelled

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<v Speaker 1>a lot on the positives, but I'll give you some negatives.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you want to pile on there. Sure, one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is the officiating. I've talked about that a bunch.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll give you some things the Steelers didn't do great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's coming up next. 105.9 The X.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Bork coming up in a few minutes to talk

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<v Speaker 1>Penguins hockey. My first question will be about Eric Carlson's

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween costume. If you haven't seen it, his wife dressed

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<v Speaker 1>up as Austin Powers, and he is dressed up as

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<v Speaker 1>a fembot. I'm just going to let that one sit

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Tim Benson for Mark Madden here on 105.9

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<v Speaker 1>The X. We are going all the way up until

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<v Speaker 1>6 o'clock tonight. Hockey Night show in advance of the

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<v Speaker 1>game on Thursday when the Penguins are back on the

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<v Speaker 1>ice again for the third of three in a row

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<v Speaker 1>at home before a quick trip up on Halloween to

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<v Speaker 1>play Montreal.

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<v Speaker 4>They got Utah at home on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday, 2-6 for the Mark Madden show, and then Hockey

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<v Speaker 1>Night in Pittsburgh all the way up until the, I

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<v Speaker 1>should say until 5-30, then Hockey Night until 6, pregame

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<v Speaker 1>show on the network side from 6 until 7. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get too borky, though, I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a few things that I actually didn't like from

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<v Speaker 1>the game against the Saints up in Paris. Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>not a big fan of the uniforms. Didn't like the

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<v Speaker 1>white with the black pants, the stripes. Especially if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a fan that I've never seen the Steelers before, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big Steeler fan in Europe, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see the traditional outfits, traditional unis. But, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have to bust those ones out again as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 4>Leave that one.

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<v Speaker 1>As it is go to more football stuff now. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you one thing that I despised was that

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<v Speaker 1>Mason McCormick penalty.

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<v Speaker 4>God, what was he thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>He took an awful penalty late in the second quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>54 seconds left. Rogers converts a third and 10 on

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<v Speaker 1>a 20 yard completion to Jeremy Bernard. He gets some

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<v Speaker 1>tough yards after the catch. Bernard dragged a host of

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<v Speaker 1>tacklers all the way to the New Orleans 14. It

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<v Speaker 1>would have been first and 10 there with 43 seconds left.

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<v Speaker 1>The Steelers could have taken a stab or two at

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone. Instead, McCormick tries to clean off a

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<v Speaker 1>pile that didn't need cleaning. to go pittsburghese there's nobody

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<v Speaker 1>to clean off no one was really messing with bernard

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<v Speaker 1>after the tackle anyway mccormick comes flying in hits him

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<v Speaker 1>more than he hits anybody else from new orleans jumps

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<v Speaker 1>in the pile 15 yard on sportsman like conduct penalty

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<v Speaker 1>so the sealers got the first down but the ball

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<v Speaker 1>came all the way back to the saints 29 yard

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<v Speaker 1>line and pittsburgh had to burn a timeout plus the

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<v Speaker 1>team had to settle for a field goal to make

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<v Speaker 1>it 13 to 10 at halftime That was just dumb

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<v Speaker 1>in every.

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<v Speaker 4>Way, shape, and form. Dumb, dumb, dumb, D-U-M, dumb. No

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<v Speaker 4>idea what he was thinking there. Stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, lousy job by the special teams in the defense

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<v Speaker 1>after the Darnell.

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<v Speaker 4>Washington second quarter touchdown.

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans pops a 49-yard return on the ensuing kick

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<v Speaker 1>by Barry and Brown.

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<v Speaker 4>Then they go on.

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<v Speaker 1>A 12-play, 52-yard drive that lasts five minutes. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>Shuck hit Vele for the touchdown, the fourth and goal,

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<v Speaker 1>and it tied the score 10-10. That was one of

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<v Speaker 1>two fourth down conversions on the drive, and the defense

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<v Speaker 1>also allowed a third and five. So any momentum seized

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<v Speaker 1>by the Steelers after the Washington score was instantly negated.

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<v Speaker 1>So while I'm giving a lot of credit to the

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<v Speaker 1>defense for stopping the run and keeping a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>front of them and getting the big sack from Queen

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<v Speaker 1>and getting the big interception from Wilson. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>low point because they just let New Orleans stay on

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<v Speaker 1>the field and march all the way down after Washington's score,

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<v Speaker 1>and they held momentum for very little time. You can

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<v Speaker 1>also chime in on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, 833-412-9939.

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<v Speaker 1>And Rodgers was sacked three times. That's the other one

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring up. All three ended drives on third down.

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<v Speaker 1>His gutsy fourth quarter scramble, that was a risk too

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<v Speaker 1>because he dropped back to the 45-yard line. A fourth

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<v Speaker 1>sack there would have resulted in a punt or a

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<v Speaker 1>field goal attempt of roughly 60 yards. Rodgers' protection wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>bad for the most part. He was hit only two

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<v Speaker 1>more times beyond the sacks and the dropbacks, which was 34.

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<v Speaker 1>But the sacks happened. They were really ill-timed. Bad placement,

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<v Speaker 1>bad timing on those sacks for Rodgers, and that's become

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<v Speaker 1>way too continuous of a problem. And I will hearken

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<v Speaker 1>back to what Matt Williamson said about how this has

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<v Speaker 1>been a season-long thing with Rodgers. So we can get

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<v Speaker 1>a call-in or two, perhaps, before we get to Phil Bork.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to call in on hockey, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do that as well, or the World Series or anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me get some tweets in the meanwhile. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>calls in and says that the last guy who called

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<v Speaker 1>in and said that the Steelers should have stuck with

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<v Speaker 1>the field goal and not taken the points off the board,

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<v Speaker 1>that guy was dumb and should never be allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>call the show again.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with that. Look, Harry, you can call back.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm teasing.

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<v Speaker 1>But they did the right thing there. Given the option,

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<v Speaker 1>run down the clock. This guy wants to know, Shady says,

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to talk Penguins? I just said we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk Pens. And I will give credit for

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<v Speaker 1>their comeback against Nashville the other night.

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<v Speaker 4>Koivunen maybe finding himself, Raquel.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of those Halloween photos they went out, my God,

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<v Speaker 1>the dedication to the makeup from Raquel and his.

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<v Speaker 4>Wife, that was something else. Let's get to Chuck calling

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<v Speaker 4>from Pompano Beach. You're on 105.9 The X. Chuck, you're on. Hey, Tom,

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<v Speaker 4>how you doing? No, this is Tim.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead. Oh, Tim.

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry, I'm sorry. I got him. Sorry. Appreciate it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what? I lived in Florida for 39 years.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm from the.

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<v Speaker 6>North side of Pittsburgh, and I'm still.

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<v Speaker 3>A fan, but I mean, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just a mediocre team beating mediocre teams.

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<v Speaker 1>They are, but I will underscore the point that they

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<v Speaker 1>have not done that in the past.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of what has made them a mediocre team in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Past were these frequent losses in games like this where

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<v Speaker 1>you walk away saying, how did they lose to Jalen Daniels?

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<v Speaker 1>Or how did they lose to a Saints team that

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<v Speaker 1>can't stop the run and wasn't even trying to run?

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<v Speaker 1>They have lost this game in the past many times.

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<v Speaker 1>which at least gives me hope that if they do

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<v Speaker 1>get to 10 and seven, 11 and six, something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be an earned record and they might be

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<v Speaker 1>in a better position to win a playoff game against

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser team hosting it as maybe a three seed

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to a four seed and getting their doors

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<v Speaker 1>blown off like they did last year by Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>But I mean, it's just like, I've seen it. It's

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<v Speaker 6>like a rinse repeat. I've seen them do this every year.

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<v Speaker 5>And again, I'm not really buying McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not buying Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't like them bringing him back. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>buying McCarthy. I think his time is almost like... When

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<v Speaker 6>Bill Cowher was done, I think his time is not.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a 62-year-old coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they hired a 62-year-old coach to continue doing what

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<v Speaker 1>you're complaining about.

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<v Speaker 4>I get it. But at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be about how do you feel about

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<v Speaker 1>the year 2026, not how do you feel about the

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<v Speaker 1>big picture of where they are, because you can't change

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<v Speaker 1>that now.

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<v Speaker 4>They set that course.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess what I'm saying is for 2026, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel better right now than I thought I would at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, because I figured they would have stepped on a,

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<v Speaker 1>in a pothole at some point along the way here

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<v Speaker 1>during this four game stretch between three game stretch between

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<v Speaker 1>ground games and four games before the buy. So I'll

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<v Speaker 1>ask you if they beat the Browns, do you have

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<v Speaker 1>a different story? Is it just beating the Browns again?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Browns never went in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, pretty much.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we're kind of on the same page. I

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<v Speaker 6>appreciate you taking my call. You have a good day.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks, Chuck. Appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also call in at 833-412-9939 or tweet me

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<v Speaker 1>as other people are doing, at Tim Benz, PGH.

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<v Speaker 4>what you said.

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<v Speaker 4>Time to.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk hockey with Phil Bork who calls games right here

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<v Speaker 1>on 105.9. The X as the Pens get ready to

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<v Speaker 1>play on Thursday night. You can hear the game here

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<v Speaker 1>on the X with the Hockey Night Show starting at

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<v Speaker 1>5.30 in advance of the return game against the Utah Mammoth.

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<v Speaker 4>Borky, good to talk to you again.

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<v Speaker 1>Question for you not related to the Penguins to start.

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<v Speaker 1>We just wished a happy birthday to Mike Aruzioni, age

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<v Speaker 1>72 now, just had his birthday over the weekend. How

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<v Speaker 1>well have you gotten to know Aruzioni during your time

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<v Speaker 1>as a hockey player in mass or during his many

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<v Speaker 1>trips to Pittsburgh with his friendship with Mario?

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<v Speaker 2>Good afternoon, Tim.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Mike Arruzzione. I didn't know him much growing up

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<v Speaker 3>in Boston. I do remember him. It's funny, my dad

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<v Speaker 3>went to Boston College, and we went to a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of Boston College games. But we also went to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of Boston University games, too. We kind of go

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth, and depending on which one of his

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<v Speaker 3>customers were given free tickets or which game we went to.

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<v Speaker 2>So I watched Mike Arruzzione play. when I was growing

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<v Speaker 2>up playing for BU.

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<v Speaker 3>And to answer your question, I haven't really got to

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<v Speaker 3>know him till the last probably four or five years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd bump into him in the rare occasion.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in Mario's event that he used to have

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<v Speaker 3>for years, the golf outing and Mike would always be there.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just kind of bump into him, but now

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<v Speaker 3>I've done a couple of events with him. We have

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<v Speaker 3>some mutual friends and And actually, we've become a lot closer.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's legendary, man. I mean, nobody has done more

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<v Speaker 3>with one goal than Mike Aruzzione. I think he gets

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<v Speaker 3>ribbed about that quite a bit. But he is an

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<v Speaker 3>unbelievable ambassador for not only Olympic hockey, USA hockey, Boston

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<v Speaker 3>University hockey, but NHL hockey.

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<v Speaker 2>Mario Lemieux.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got the gift of gab where he can stand

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<v Speaker 3>up and talk for probably two hours straight just telling

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<v Speaker 3>stories and just embellishing on scoring one goal against the Russians,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, 46 years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, but he, he is legendary. And what's the age again?

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<v Speaker 4>You said 71, 72.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. 72.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, man, he is, he is a guy that, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad he's still around because he still has some

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<v Speaker 3>great stories to tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listen, I'll send this as a free plug on

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<v Speaker 1>his behalf and that of, uh, USA hockey. If anybody

0:22:11.710 --> 0:22:13.699
<v Speaker 1>ever gets up to Lake Placid, you got to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Aruzioni team store up there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fantastic.

0:22:18.990 --> 0:22:21.270
<v Speaker 1>He's got his own store up there, like a USA

0:22:21.770 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 1>hockey store. He's still the mayor of Lake Placid, of course,

0:22:26.340 --> 0:22:30.100
<v Speaker 1>and there is a Team USA hockey store, but they

0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.580
<v Speaker 1>might even share a wall, if I remember right.

0:22:33.340 --> 0:22:34.380
<v Speaker 4>It's right down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruzioni has his own place up there, and you get

0:22:36.980 --> 0:22:39.700
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of Team USA gear and paraphernalia.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever been to Lake Placid? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 4>visited the hallowed grounds?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that incredible?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm a proud American, you know, from Massachusetts

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.160
<v Speaker 3>and proud to be a Pittsburgher, but never been to

0:22:51.180 --> 0:22:54.230
<v Speaker 3>Lake Placid. I've never, my path has just never taken

0:22:54.270 --> 0:22:57.010
<v Speaker 3>me to that destination. I'm not surprised he has his

0:22:57.050 --> 0:22:59.990
<v Speaker 3>own team store. I'm surprised it's, I wouldn't be surprised

0:23:00.010 --> 0:23:02.570
<v Speaker 3>if it's online also. I wouldn't be surprised if he

0:23:02.590 --> 0:23:05.869
<v Speaker 3>has a six bedroom home. you know, a five bath

0:23:05.910 --> 0:23:08.290
<v Speaker 3>place down in the Keys, courtesy.

0:23:07.890 --> 0:23:08.540
<v Speaker 2>Of that store.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, once again, nobody, nobody has doubled down, tripled down,

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.679
<v Speaker 3>quadrupled down on one goal more than Mike Aruzioni.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep going, buddy. That's, it's an awesome, awesome story.

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:22.670
<v Speaker 4>You know, you should take some notes. It's Talbot, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. You got that right. Yeah. Talbot, right.

0:23:28.390 --> 0:23:31.650
<v Speaker 2>I know. I know. But yeah, no, it's kind of cool.

0:23:32.350 --> 0:23:34.590
<v Speaker 2>You know, Mario has a very tight circle of friends.

0:23:34.869 --> 0:23:35.109
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And, you know, the Ty Domi's in there, but Mike

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:42.180
<v Speaker 3>Aruzioni and Pierre LaRouche, obviously. But he holds those friends,

0:23:42.220 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 3>he holds them very close to his chest. It's tough

0:23:45.100 --> 0:23:48.460
<v Speaker 3>to get in that inner circle because it's very small

0:23:48.700 --> 0:23:50.780
<v Speaker 3>but very elite, and Mike Aruzioni's in there.

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<v Speaker 1>How have you felt about how the Penguins have played

0:23:53.260 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 1>in the two games back at PPG Paints Arena after

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.070
<v Speaker 1>that bumpy road trip?

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<v Speaker 2>Good. Yeah, really good.

0:24:01.990 --> 0:24:04.390
<v Speaker 3>I've been really impressed with the way they've been able

0:24:04.430 --> 0:24:07.550
<v Speaker 3>to dust themselves off after a road trip where you

0:24:07.570 --> 0:24:09.730
<v Speaker 3>just shook your head and said, where did it go?

0:24:09.770 --> 0:24:12.350
<v Speaker 3>Because before that road trip, you remember they played one

0:24:12.369 --> 0:24:14.770
<v Speaker 3>of their best games. They almost shut out the Dallas

0:24:14.790 --> 0:24:17.070
<v Speaker 3>Stars and they scored late, but still they win the

0:24:17.109 --> 0:24:20.630
<v Speaker 3>game in the shootout, right? And so it's really been

0:24:20.670 --> 0:24:23.649
<v Speaker 3>impressive in the way they've been able to regroup and

0:24:23.930 --> 0:24:27.530
<v Speaker 3>considering not only the amount of injuries, but also, Tim,

0:24:28.170 --> 0:24:32.860
<v Speaker 3>who the injuries have occurred on or to. And, you know,

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 3>there's one thing to say, oh, next man up. But

0:24:34.660 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 3>it's another thing for, you know, the damn muse to

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.870
<v Speaker 3>kind of shuffle the deck a little bit and decide

0:24:40.890 --> 0:24:43.669
<v Speaker 3>who to play with who, considering new players coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been really impressed.

0:24:46.070 --> 0:24:49.459
<v Speaker 3>I thought that Florida was ripe for the pickings, you know,

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 3>crossing the border in the back-to-back situation, the emotional game

0:24:52.540 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 3>that they had.

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 2>That Brady could check up in Ottawa. I thought they

0:24:55.100 --> 0:24:56.220
<v Speaker 2>were right for the pickings.

0:24:56.240 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 4>I said exactly the same thing. You're speaking my language.

0:25:00.580 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 3>But the last game was a little more difficult. The

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Penguins really had to dig down deep to find that

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 3>one there because that's as good as I've seen Nashville

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.340
<v Speaker 3>play in a long time. And it's no fluke because

0:25:13.100 --> 0:25:15.060
<v Speaker 3>you look what they did last night and they spanked

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:19.580
<v Speaker 3>the Colorado Avalanche pretty good after taking on the Penguins

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:20.180
<v Speaker 3>here in the Berks.

0:25:21.430 --> 0:25:23.649
<v Speaker 4>But Perrier has gotten points in a couple of games.

0:25:23.750 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was really good in the opener against Philly,

0:25:26.340 --> 0:25:30.060
<v Speaker 1>then kind of wasn't woven in as much over the

0:25:30.100 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>next few weeks. But I really liked the goal that

0:25:33.540 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>he scored to finish off that play in a good pass.

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.810
<v Speaker 1>That was not an easy pass to field on the backhand.

0:25:39.910 --> 0:25:42.090
<v Speaker 1>And he did, and he finished the goal. He's got

0:25:42.150 --> 0:25:44.270
<v Speaker 1>some skill, Borky. I wonder what you think of his

0:25:44.330 --> 0:25:46.790
<v Speaker 1>game and how could he help stem the tide with

0:25:46.810 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>some of these injuries that you outlined earlier?

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<v Speaker 3>Before I answer your question, did you hear his interview.

0:25:53.980 --> 0:25:54.900
<v Speaker 2>Right after that game?

0:25:56.220 --> 0:25:58.199
<v Speaker 4>I was in it. I was in part of it.

0:25:58.340 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 4>Not the beginning, but at the end. What did I miss?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the reason I bring it up is because I

0:26:03.970 --> 0:26:06.770
<v Speaker 3>love his comments. They were just brutally honest, where he

0:26:06.810 --> 0:26:08.630
<v Speaker 3>said he was evaluating his play.

0:26:08.810 --> 0:26:11.070
<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah, when he said it, I wasn't very good

0:26:11.109 --> 0:26:12.570
<v Speaker 4>after the first night. Yeah, yeah.

0:26:12.690 --> 0:26:17.790
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so, I mean, there's some players that are just.

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Nah, they're just average. And then you ask them, how

0:26:20.660 --> 0:26:21.460
<v Speaker 2>do you think you played?

0:26:21.980 --> 0:26:24.100
<v Speaker 3>And they think they're shocked they weren't the first star

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 3>of the game. But not Hendrix LaPierre. He's brutally honest saying,

0:26:28.020 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't good enough. I wasn't impactful enough. I needed

0:26:30.180 --> 0:26:30.660
<v Speaker 3>to do more.

0:26:30.900 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 2>So I came out of the lineup.

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:37.090
<v Speaker 3>I evaluated, re-evaluated, and looked at things I was not

0:26:37.130 --> 0:26:39.590
<v Speaker 3>doing right. Comes back in the lineup. But to get

0:26:39.630 --> 0:26:43.010
<v Speaker 3>to your point about how he played, it's great that

0:26:43.050 --> 0:26:46.109
<v Speaker 3>he has versatility, number one. He can play center and wing,

0:26:46.450 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 3>and he seems to be pretty good at both. Some

0:26:48.740 --> 0:26:50.650
<v Speaker 3>guys drop off playing one or the other. He doesn't

0:26:50.690 --> 0:26:53.209
<v Speaker 3>seem to be that guy. He's comfortable at both, number one.

0:26:53.510 --> 0:26:57.790
<v Speaker 3>Number two, on that goal, that was an incredible goal.

0:26:58.090 --> 0:27:00.350
<v Speaker 3>To go from backhand to forehand, and let's give Billy

0:27:00.369 --> 0:27:02.929
<v Speaker 3>Corbin a lot of credit on that saucer pass he

0:27:02.950 --> 0:27:04.570
<v Speaker 3>made because he needed to put it on the tape,

0:27:04.670 --> 0:27:05.190
<v Speaker 3>and he did.

0:27:05.350 --> 0:27:07.149
<v Speaker 2>He did it with pace. To be in that tight,

0:27:08.090 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 2>with pace, great point, with pace also. He had to

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:11.260
<v Speaker 2>get it there quick.

0:27:12.100 --> 0:27:15.220
<v Speaker 3>And so the mitts on LaPierre to stop it on

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.330
<v Speaker 3>the backhand, quickly get it to the forehand and then

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.770
<v Speaker 3>put it right inside the post where he needed to

0:27:19.850 --> 0:27:23.930
<v Speaker 3>have it. That's a highly skilled play to do it

0:27:24.270 --> 0:27:27.649
<v Speaker 3>at speed on top of the goaltender and then go

0:27:27.690 --> 0:27:30.230
<v Speaker 3>from backhand to forehand. He's got a lot of skill,

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:32.940
<v Speaker 3>but I think he's one of those guys that really

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.660
<v Speaker 3>needs good things to happen to him and feel that.

0:27:36.619 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Confidence for it to really get rolling downhill.

0:27:39.740 --> 0:27:42.419
<v Speaker 1>We were speaking, Borky, up in your broadcast booth during

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the game against the Panthers when I joined Brian Metzer

0:27:45.260 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>during an intermission about some of the guys getting called up.

0:27:48.060 --> 0:27:49.859
<v Speaker 1>And Metzer asked me, who else do you want to see?

0:27:49.900 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And Hayes had not been called up at the time.

0:27:51.700 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's who I was lobbying for. And then game

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.959
<v Speaker 1>one against the Preds, he didn't score, but five shots,

0:27:58.070 --> 0:28:01.190
<v Speaker 1>three hits in 12 minutes of play.

0:28:01.210 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 4>What did you think of Hayes when he came up?

0:28:04.510 --> 0:28:05.350
<v Speaker 2>Well, not that my.

0:28:05.170 --> 0:28:08.330
<v Speaker 3>Opinion matters at all, but I want that guy on

0:28:08.369 --> 0:28:11.580
<v Speaker 3>my team. I want him in the lineup every single night.

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.100
<v Speaker 3>This guy is a difference maker. And unless my eyes

0:28:15.940 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 3>are just failing me now, I find myself... My eyes

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.619
<v Speaker 3>find myself tracking because he does a lot of little things.

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:30.710
<v Speaker 3>And he hasn't really got to that shift the server yet.

0:28:30.869 --> 0:28:31.490
<v Speaker 2>And that's coming.

0:28:32.290 --> 0:28:34.350
<v Speaker 3>Because once he gets a little confidence and feels like

0:28:34.390 --> 0:28:37.810
<v Speaker 3>he's going to be alive and getting some flow, he's

0:28:37.850 --> 0:28:38.130
<v Speaker 3>a guy.

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.860
<v Speaker 2>you want to punch his head in if you're on

0:28:40.900 --> 0:28:41.460
<v Speaker 2>the other team.

0:28:41.900 --> 0:28:44.380
<v Speaker 3>And to the point where you almost start worrying more

0:28:44.420 --> 0:28:46.570
<v Speaker 3>about him than actually winning the game.

0:28:47.670 --> 0:28:50.370
<v Speaker 2>And that's the hard part, Tim. It's hard to do that.

0:28:50.770 --> 0:28:52.710
<v Speaker 3>You can do it once, but to do it every

0:28:52.750 --> 0:28:55.710
<v Speaker 3>single night, and that's why, say what you want about

0:28:55.750 --> 0:28:57.810
<v Speaker 3>Matt Cook, but Matt Cook was that guy.

0:28:58.570 --> 0:29:01.780
<v Speaker 2>Matt Cook went out there every single night, not very big,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>but he was built to endure.

0:29:04.100 --> 0:29:07.709
<v Speaker 3>I never saw Matt Cook fight, but he went out

0:29:07.750 --> 0:29:10.150
<v Speaker 3>there and decided I want to play.

0:29:10.170 --> 0:29:11.300
<v Speaker 2>I want to play in the NHL.

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 3>And this is what I'm willing to do every single night.

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.660
<v Speaker 3>And that is an unbelievable toll on your body to

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.700
<v Speaker 3>do it every night. The other team wants to kill

0:29:18.740 --> 0:29:20.219
<v Speaker 3>you as well as you got to chip in say

0:29:20.220 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 3>15 to 20 goals a year. I think that Avery

0:29:24.140 --> 0:29:26.330
<v Speaker 3>Hayes has that in his DNA. I think that's just

0:29:26.390 --> 0:29:28.830
<v Speaker 3>who he is. And considering the Penguins don't have a

0:29:28.850 --> 0:29:31.210
<v Speaker 3>lot of guys like that, I want that guy in

0:29:31.250 --> 0:29:35.330
<v Speaker 3>my lineup every night. He is a guy that brings

0:29:35.370 --> 0:29:38.110
<v Speaker 3>you the intangibles. And so what are intangibles? The things

0:29:38.130 --> 0:29:39.830
<v Speaker 3>you're not going to find on the score sheet, but

0:29:39.850 --> 0:29:40.970
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the night when you're walking out

0:29:40.990 --> 0:29:42.990
<v Speaker 3>of the rink and you're thinking about the goals and

0:29:43.010 --> 0:29:44.550
<v Speaker 3>you think about the saves, the next thing you're going

0:29:44.570 --> 0:29:47.210
<v Speaker 3>to think about is the things that Avery Hayes did,

0:29:47.230 --> 0:29:49.730
<v Speaker 3>the little things that Avery Hayes does to help you

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 3>win hockey games.

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of times they are of the physical nature.

0:29:54.870 --> 0:29:56.790
<v Speaker 3>Whether it's taking a hit to make a play, whether

0:29:57.070 --> 0:30:00.490
<v Speaker 3>it's delivering a hit, whether it's whacking a guy behind

0:30:00.530 --> 0:30:02.210
<v Speaker 3>the knees and getting away with it and not taking

0:30:02.270 --> 0:30:02.670
<v Speaker 3>a penalty.

0:30:02.690 --> 0:30:03.030
<v Speaker 2>Doing it.

0:30:03.410 --> 0:30:06.410
<v Speaker 3>All those things that he does, game in and game out.

0:30:06.730 --> 0:30:08.390
<v Speaker 2>And oh, by the way, he.

0:30:08.310 --> 0:30:11.010
<v Speaker 3>Can shoot the puck. He can skate. He can pass.

0:30:11.290 --> 0:30:14.610
<v Speaker 3>He can play the game. Look at his numbers when

0:30:14.650 --> 0:30:16.650
<v Speaker 3>he was in junior. He put up big numbers in junior,

0:30:16.970 --> 0:30:19.450
<v Speaker 3>but he understands, I'm not that guy in the NHL.

0:30:19.690 --> 0:30:21.300
<v Speaker 3>So how am I going to get here? How am

0:30:21.340 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 3>I going to stay here? And that's why I'm saying

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.290
<v Speaker 3>I want that guy in my lineup because I think

0:30:25.330 --> 0:30:28.209
<v Speaker 3>he's willing to do all those little things that are

0:30:28.330 --> 0:30:30.930
<v Speaker 3>so hard to do every single night to stay.

0:30:30.810 --> 0:30:31.210
<v Speaker 2>In the lineup.

0:30:32.170 --> 0:30:34.150
<v Speaker 4>One thing, and you brought up Coivin and his name before.

0:30:34.510 --> 0:30:36.410
<v Speaker 1>One thing I took away from the win over Nashville

0:30:36.430 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>the other night is the right guys who scored needed

0:30:39.540 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>to score there. I wanted to see Coivin get on

0:30:41.820 --> 0:30:44.020
<v Speaker 1>the goal sheet. I wanted to see Ricard Raquel as

0:30:44.100 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>well score. He scored, I think it was against Utah

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.010
<v Speaker 1>on the way back home. But I want to see

0:30:50.050 --> 0:30:52.430
<v Speaker 1>those guys get going. That was important to me to

0:30:52.470 --> 0:30:56.110
<v Speaker 1>see those guys be part, to engineer the late comeback.

0:30:57.570 --> 0:30:59.770
<v Speaker 3>And we went 8-2-2 in October last year, and that

0:30:59.870 --> 0:31:03.580
<v Speaker 3>enabled us to endure some tough losses in December and

0:31:03.620 --> 0:31:05.900
<v Speaker 3>some other dips that we had during the season. How

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 3>did we go 8-2-2? Goaltending was really solid. Special teams

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:14.500
<v Speaker 3>were special. The top dogs, they were eaten. But what

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 3>separated the Penguins early on and what helped them get

0:31:17.980 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>to the playoffs was was exactly what you're talking about.

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 3>They had a bunch of guys have career years, whether

0:31:22.780 --> 0:31:25.300
<v Speaker 3>it was Anthony Mantha or Justin Brezzo or Connor.

0:31:24.980 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Dewar, Blake was out. The list goes on. We need

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 2>to have those guys.

0:31:29.190 --> 0:31:33.090
<v Speaker 3>Again, we can't count on rusty and racks and, and

0:31:33.170 --> 0:31:34.030
<v Speaker 3>Sid and Gino.

0:31:34.310 --> 0:31:36.250
<v Speaker 2>You can't count on them. They're going to get their numbers.

0:31:36.490 --> 0:31:36.750
<v Speaker 2>They are.

0:31:36.930 --> 0:31:39.110
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they're not going to get 40 or 50 and

0:31:39.130 --> 0:31:41.710
<v Speaker 3>that's okay, but they're going to get their numbers, but

0:31:42.260 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 3>you need more than that. I mean, what's it going

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.100
<v Speaker 3>to take now, Tim, you got two more games. here

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 3>in the, you got 84 games now instead of 82 games.

0:31:50.580 --> 0:31:52.820
<v Speaker 3>So that's going to push the, the basement up as

0:31:52.860 --> 0:31:55.620
<v Speaker 3>far as who's in wild card. Number two, I'm telling you, man,

0:31:55.940 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be a hundred points. I bet you

0:31:57.660 --> 0:31:59.060
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be a hundred points just to get

0:31:59.100 --> 0:32:02.100
<v Speaker 3>in the playoffs. And so to do that, You got

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.050
<v Speaker 3>to get those guys that are your bottom six, that

0:32:05.110 --> 0:32:07.630
<v Speaker 3>are young guys coming up, whatever it is. They can't

0:32:07.670 --> 0:32:11.270
<v Speaker 3>just be a warm body with a pulse with a

0:32:11.290 --> 0:32:13.090
<v Speaker 3>jersey on and just go up and down and hope

0:32:13.110 --> 0:32:14.250
<v Speaker 3>they're even at the end of the night.

0:32:14.490 --> 0:32:16.170
<v Speaker 2>And then say, I can't believe I was the first star.

0:32:16.490 --> 0:32:19.130
<v Speaker 3>You got to go out there and be a difference maker.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you make a mistake from effort and from

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<v Speaker 3>doing something out of your heart, that's okay. but you

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<v Speaker 3>can't just be vanilla. You just can't be average. You

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<v Speaker 3>just can't go up and down your wing. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a Pittsburgh penguin, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 3>get us into the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 4>What'd you think of the Hellebuck deal, Borky?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I'm glad, I'm glad we're done talking about it. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just glad it happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Um, he's a good goalie.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's definitely going to make Jersey better. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people are already, Oh, they're a playoff team.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that. They're not all that in

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<v Speaker 2>a bag of chips. They're good. No, no, they're a

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<v Speaker 2>good team. They're a good team.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're a lock, but I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>it does make them better. And I'm just looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the Metro right now. And you know, with like, okay, so,

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina is really impressive after winning the cup and still

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<v Speaker 1>putting up 20 points.

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<v Speaker 4>They've barely lost so far this year.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rangers, all of a sudden, they can't lose at

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<v Speaker 1>home when last year they couldn't win at home. But

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>they can't win when they leave MSG, so that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of funny. But they're in second place. They got the

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<v Speaker 1>Shusterkin injury, so that's an issue. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Hellebuck does a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to make you feel like the playoff talk for Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>is legit this year as opposed to maybe just blowing

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<v Speaker 1>smoke about it in recent seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and you even talk about the Washington Capitals.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Capitals, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they definitely improved their team, even though Logan Thompson's

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<v Speaker 2>on the shelf, but I don't think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be for long term. They're number one goaltender.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, when you talk about these teams, and let's take

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<v Speaker 3>Carolina and put them on the side. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what to think about the New York Rangers. I still

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they have the depth, and I think the

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<v Speaker 3>goaltending issue, without Shusterkin for the whole year, is going

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<v Speaker 3>to eventually catch up to them.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's take those two teams and put them on

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<v Speaker 2>the side burner.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of the teams, I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>come down to goaltending and their depth players.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for both teams.

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<v Speaker 3>Both teams have, not goaltending, all the teams you're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about with, if you're talking about Pittsburgh and you're talking

0:34:16.150 --> 0:34:19.610
<v Speaker 3>about New Jersey, okay, and you're talking about the Washington Capitals,

0:34:20.630 --> 0:34:23.470
<v Speaker 3>you think their goaltending's got to be unbelievably good because

0:34:23.550 --> 0:34:26.629
<v Speaker 3>all these teams give up quality chances. They've all got

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<v Speaker 3>rock stars as headliners. So what's going to separate those teams?

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<v Speaker 3>What we just talked about. It's the bottom six guys.

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<v Speaker 3>It's their depth guys. Do they have enough guys that

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<v Speaker 3>can do all the little things like Avery Hayes does?

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<v Speaker 2>Do they have enough of those guys? If they do,

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<v Speaker 2>then they're a playoff team.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think just getting Hellebuck that the New

0:34:45.390 --> 0:34:46.230
<v Speaker 3>Jersey Devils all of.

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<v Speaker 2>A sudden can punch their ticket to the postseason. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's that easy.

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<v Speaker 4>Last thing, Borken, it goes back to the Hurricanes.

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<v Speaker 1>How impressed are you that after the long playoff run

0:34:54.180 --> 0:34:57.500
<v Speaker 1>last year, going to the championship, winning it, hoisting the cup.

0:34:57.540 --> 0:35:00.839
<v Speaker 1>They lose Stahl, and here they are still 9-2-2 to

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<v Speaker 1>gas it back up like that so quickly after a

0:35:03.460 --> 0:35:06.490
<v Speaker 1>short break. Is that the toughest part of coming off

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<v Speaker 1>of a championship run? Is October the toughest, or does

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<v Speaker 1>it hit you later in December or January?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it hits you later.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're still kind of bathing in the euphoria

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<v Speaker 3>of winning. Don't forget, they just got Seth Jarvis back,

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<v Speaker 3>who's one of those guys that we talked about that

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 3>does a lot of the little things.

0:35:24.580 --> 0:35:26.300
<v Speaker 2>He was on the shelf to start the season.

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<v Speaker 3>Freddie Anderson, I'm never a big Freddie Anderson fan, but

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<v Speaker 3>he had a good start last year, and it helped

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<v Speaker 3>them also. So now all of a sudden, I don't

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:39.020
<v Speaker 3>love their goaltending with Bussey and Kochetkov. I don't love it,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe they don't need it. Maybe they just need

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<v Speaker 3>their goalies to be good, and that's very possible because

0:35:44.340 --> 0:35:47.780
<v Speaker 3>they are so buttoned up structurally, and they have enough

0:35:47.820 --> 0:35:51.509
<v Speaker 3>guys to score enough goals to win. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think they have separated themselves from everybody else because of

0:35:54.969 --> 0:35:59.069
<v Speaker 3>their depth, because of their structure, because of their discipline,

0:35:59.290 --> 0:36:01.549
<v Speaker 3>all the things you need to win and the intangibles.

0:36:02.370 --> 0:36:04.770
<v Speaker 3>And they've got a coach that I think he knows

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<v Speaker 3>when to crack the whip and when to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>let the boys be the boys. And so Carolina, it's impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>But you do wonder, I haven't looked at their schedule,

0:36:13.410 --> 0:36:16.770
<v Speaker 3>but what month do they have 15, 16 games? Because

0:36:16.790 --> 0:36:19.170
<v Speaker 3>everybody's going to have one of those months. And if

0:36:19.210 --> 0:36:22.250
<v Speaker 3>they have more injuries or if they have a losing streak.

0:36:22.750 --> 0:36:23.830
<v Speaker 2>You know, are they going to be able to go

0:36:23.870 --> 0:36:26.570
<v Speaker 2>to that well? And are they going to find the energy?

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<v Speaker 3>Because winning the cup and the long run they were

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<v Speaker 3>on and the injuries they had to endure.

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<v Speaker 2>Early in the season, it does take a toll on you.

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<v Speaker 4>Bork, you have a great call on Thursday. This was

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<v Speaker 4>great hockey talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim and Joe, that time together. This was.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill Bork on the call for the game against the mammoths.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure you're listening on one Oh five, nine, the

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<v Speaker 1>Utah with Logan Cooley and company in town. I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you a couple other hockey notes before the top of

0:37:05.710 --> 0:37:08.009
<v Speaker 1>the hour that I found to be interesting from over

0:37:08.030 --> 0:37:11.290
<v Speaker 1>the weekend. Then we'll get back into the Steelers game and, um,

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<v Speaker 1>What Mike McCarthy had to say, because I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a revealing quote.

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