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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the Great America, and welcome this Thursday afternoon

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Speaker 1: of the tri State.

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Speaker 2: The government has opened.

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Speaker 1: The Democrats have suddenly said, Okay, let's have TSA workers

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Speaker 1: not sleep in their cars. Let's make sure the food

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Speaker 1: stamps get out to people. We're gonna pay the We're

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Speaker 1: gonna pay TSA. We're gonna pay the air traffic controllers

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Speaker 1: at the expense of the insurance companies getting all the

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Speaker 1: money under Obamacare. But that's a different issue. As you

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Speaker 1: may know, there's many, many problems in River City. One

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Speaker 1: of them is on short Vine. Another one is babies

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Speaker 1: and boxes. And Brian Hamrick's on top of both stories.

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Speaker 1: And Brian Hamrick, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And Brian, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. Thanks again, mister Cunningham.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about short Vine this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Because I saw one of the captains and CPD gave

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Speaker 1: me a shot spotter detail about in the last month,

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Speaker 1: what are the shots being fired in Cincinnati? As if

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Speaker 1: a white piece of paper was in front of me,

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Speaker 1: and I took a bunch of black pepper and shook

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Speaker 1: it all over the paper. There's thousands of thousands of

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Speaker 1: shots being fired, and that doesn't count the other to

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Speaker 1: bacherous misbehavior. Short Vine right against UC campus. And you've

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Speaker 1: done stories on moms and dads not feeling comfortable their

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Speaker 1: kids going to the University of Cincinnati because of the

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Speaker 1: robberies because the car break ins, guns are everywhere. But

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Speaker 1: now it's metastasized a little bit off campus to short Vine. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, for those listening in Iowa, describe short Vine.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk about the failure of parents to keep

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Speaker 1: their kids off Short Vine. At two o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Please give the American people a full report.

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Speaker 3: Well, short Vine is what one block over from UC

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Speaker 3: main campus if you go down Jefferson right where you

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Speaker 3: go into the all the sports sporting events there, you know,

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Speaker 3: that just across from there. It's it's it's really it's

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Speaker 3: not officially a part of the u SEE campus, but

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Speaker 3: it is a part of the u SEE community. Uh,

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Speaker 3: And so all the students come over this way a

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Speaker 3: lot of times, especially if there's a sporting event, you

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Speaker 3: not and walk through the area. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: we have talked to. You talk to any of the students, anybody,

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Speaker 3: they know that this area is trouble. And you talk

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Speaker 3: to the business owners down here, they'll tell you the

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Speaker 3: same thing. You know, and some are saying it's as

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Speaker 3: bad as they've ever seen it. Now, short minds had

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Speaker 3: its issues over the years. But you know, just a

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Speaker 3: few weeks ago, they're videos circulated.

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Speaker 2: We had it.

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Speaker 3: You can see it on our website. Somebody's firing off

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Speaker 3: Somebody just opens fire. Everybody's running. I did the story

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Speaker 3: a fifteen year old goes to rob another guy, a

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Speaker 3: The kid goes to rob him. He pulls the gun

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Speaker 3: to try and do something. Uh. They're going to enact

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Speaker 1: Now's the chief of police and U see, and he

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Speaker 1: You had a couple of us, these students two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: They're walking out with a large pepperoni pizza and a

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Speaker 2: And so it's absurd.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, And what we need is a functional juvenile

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Speaker 1: There's that thirteen year old who murdered someone who's going

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Speaker 2: What do you do?

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Speaker 1: And I want to know where is my where is dad?

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Speaker 3: This has become part of the uh of the culture.

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Speaker 3: It's celebrated in song and dance and music and the

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Speaker 3: But but nobody's dispelled the myth that they're gonna be

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Speaker 3: you know, that's you know, there's some grandiose lifestyle. You know,

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Speaker 3: at best, a guy gets about a week and a

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Speaker 3: he gets about a week of that, maybe a month, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Is always a market, it is kind of an ovank guard,

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Speaker 3: No. We've talked to a number of folks up here.

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Speaker 3: But people are afraid. They're afraid. They don't want any

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Speaker 3: look something's got to be done. It's crazy. I think

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Speaker 3: Chief Isaac said, look, it don't even count the violent crime,

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Speaker 3: with like I said, when you got somebody unloading guns, Yes, yoh, well,

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Speaker 3: It's like the OK Corral out there.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not fair to the OK Corral.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, on this topic, before we talk about babies

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Speaker 2: Secondly, I got to get to this. You did a great.

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Speaker 1: Story on babies and boxes and I saw this, and

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Speaker 1: I said, I heard the number. One hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: newly born babies put in boxes in fire departments another

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Speaker 1: example of collapse of our culture.

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Speaker 3: Somebody puts a baby in a box. They know nothing

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Speaker 1: no foul for the mother.

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Speaker 3: They didn't put it in a box. They just handed

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Speaker 3: Or you know, there are people that are waiting for babies,

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Speaker 1: And for those who may be caught in this about

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Speaker 3: not sure how they do that. If it happened. I

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Speaker 1: So now we'll see but or whatever. It's sad, it's

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Speaker 1: is so easy to kill baby in uterot today. In fact,

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Speaker 1: there's organizations like Planned Parentode making millions of dollars through

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Speaker 1: And if that is shut down, back to the central

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Speaker 1: And right now you can kill, murder, rape, rob and

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Speaker 1: there's no consequence because we have a juvenile court system

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Speaker 1: like Harry Bloom, the judge there who give book reports

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Speaker 1: and say don't do it again and apologize and out

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Speaker 1: you go again. It's a revolving door. There's about a

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Speaker 1: few hundred needs to be taken off the streets to

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Speaker 1: but I'll be watching tonight for the story about short Vine.

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Speaker 1: Brian Hamrick, once again, thank you for coming on the

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian, Thanks again, mister Cunningham.

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