Speaker 1: And a lot of folks just staying in today, So
Speaker 1: grab a second or third or fourth cup of coffee,
Speaker 1: enjoy me. Why don't you outside of snow and bitter
Speaker 1: cold here, We also had that in Minnesota. Vigils and
Speaker 1: protests continued yesterday in Minneapolis after the fatal shooting of
Speaker 1: Alex Pretty by a federal officer. A Border Patrol officials said,
Speaker 1: it happened when they're targeting a person for being in
Speaker 1: the country legally. But what happened to mister Pretty is
Speaker 1: almost unbelievable, and especially so when you put in the
Speaker 1: context of the United States Constitution. He was a thirty
Speaker 1: seven year old icu V A nurs and shot ten
Speaker 1: times by federal agents while recording protesters and police interaction
Speaker 1: on the street.
Speaker 2: He was carrying out his body a handgun. Never do
Speaker 2: the weapon.
Speaker 1: He was a licensed permit carryholder and well within the
Speaker 1: second Meenment rights to be carrying at the time of
Speaker 1: his death. Joining the show this morning to put this
Speaker 1: in the context talk tactics and all that is, Betsy
Speaker 1: Branner Smith, the National Police Association.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Betsy, Hi, Ben, Hey.
Speaker 3: Good morning.
Speaker 4: Great to be with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: The whole morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what an awful topic. I mean I initially saw
Speaker 1: it go okay, protesters getting the face of cops.
Speaker 2: It never runs well.
Speaker 1: We had another shooting and then you see the video
Speaker 1: and there's about three to five different angles of this thing.
Speaker 1: And I watched it a lot because I had nothing
Speaker 1: else to do yesterday, and I could not help with
Speaker 1: some conclusion, knowing what I know about police tactics and
Speaker 1: intervention that the tactics are poor. We had not the
Speaker 1: first time we saw that, but it ended in the
Speaker 1: death of a thirty seven year old man who was
Speaker 1: well in his right to do what he did. Let's
Speaker 1: begin there and talk about the tactics that you saw
Speaker 1: during this interaction, Betsy.
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about that. Was he within his rights?
Speaker 4: He was there to interrupt and arrest and that's exactly
Speaker 4: what he did. You are not allowed to do that,
Speaker 4: so he was not within his rights. And this is
Speaker 4: the problem that we have in this situation. These Border
Speaker 4: patrol and ice agents are trying to do a job,
Speaker 4: a job that they have done in in every state in.
Speaker 3: The Union, in countless cities, these large.
Speaker 4: Scale operations, and yet in Minnesota you have politicians h
Speaker 4: and activists telling and media telling people listen, you need
Speaker 4: to interrupt this. And now you have two people, Renee
Speaker 4: Good and Alex pretty are dead because they believed they
Speaker 4: were doing presumably doing something right, and they were not.
Speaker 1: All let me interrupt the second say, so, you're saying
Speaker 1: it's illegal for someone to record police. Now, granted, standing
Speaker 1: inside of a street in Balka, that's not what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 4: He wasn't there to record. He was there to interrupt.
Speaker 4: And it's exactly what Renee Good was doing when she
Speaker 4: put a federal agent in the hospital.
Speaker 3: They're not there to record.
Speaker 4: You can do that. Nobody. Every cop has a.
Speaker 3: Body camera now and you know, you know, so nobody
Speaker 3: cares if you're recording.
Speaker 4: What they are doing is they are trying to stop arrests,
Speaker 4: and they have been successful at stopping some of these arrests. Now,
Speaker 4: remember on the same day we had a federal agent
Speaker 4: where an arrest was stopped and the federal.
Speaker 3: Agent lost their finger because a quote unquote observer.
Speaker 2: Did it off.
Speaker 3: This is the problem that we're having.
Speaker 4: This has become an absolutely untenable situation.
Speaker 3: Urged on by local politicians, by the media who are
Speaker 3: not really telling.
Speaker 4: The truth about what happened. Now we're these poor tactics.
Speaker 4: I'm going to wait for the investigation for more official
Speaker 4: video because when I look at this video, and again remember.
Speaker 3: I was a cop for twenty nine years. I stood
Speaker 3: on those lines.
Speaker 4: These cops are so on edge, they are so scared
Speaker 4: to death now of what is going to happen to them,
Speaker 4: and not just to them, but to their family. I
Speaker 4: have no doubt that as soon as the agents you know,
Speaker 4: who were involved in the shooting I identified, their families
Speaker 4: are going to have to flee, They're going to have
Speaker 4: to abandon their homes, They're going.
Speaker 5: To have to move.
Speaker 4: There is no reason for any of this because again,
Speaker 4: Order Patrol and Ice are engaged in lawful activities, the
Speaker 4: activities that Congress has told them they need to engage.
Speaker 2: It that that's true.
Speaker 1: And I think the other side of this for protesters is,
Speaker 1: you know, the individual that they were after was someone
Speaker 1: who is not not only in the country legally, but
Speaker 1: someone who was a criminal, so who committed other crimes as.
Speaker 3: Sold the life, elastic abuse, domestic.
Speaker 1: Abuse, right, so you know, everyone protests like we're just
Speaker 1: sweeping innocent people up, and that's not the case. Sometimes
Speaker 1: innocent people do get caught up in the system, and
Speaker 1: that's also part of the problem. But relative to the
Speaker 1: death of mister Pretty, I'm sorry as a citizen, as
Speaker 1: a Second Amendment rights holder, I got a big problem
Speaker 1: with what happened, Betsy in a sense that, yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it, you're interfering with police business. It shouldn't have
Speaker 1: resulted in his shooting, especially after the d armed. They
Speaker 1: took the weapon off the man and then fired a
Speaker 1: bunch of shots. And I know it's going to be
Speaker 1: I'd love to see, you know, did they get a
Speaker 1: second weapon off them?
Speaker 2: Was you're reaching for another gun? Did he have it
Speaker 2: on them?
Speaker 1: I think not, simply because they already displayed the gun
Speaker 1: that they took off him at the press conference, showing
Speaker 1: the weapon he had had there been a second one,
Speaker 1: they already come out with this one.
Speaker 2: There was no reason to shoot that man.
Speaker 3: Now you cannot say that because you weren't there.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: And again, well, if the circumstances changed it, I'll say, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: now there's new information, But based on what we know
Speaker 1: right now, that was a bad shooting.
Speaker 2: Batsy. That was terrible.
Speaker 3: Now, I absolutely disagree. And here's the thing.
Speaker 4: You know why I carry a gun all the time.
Speaker 4: In fact, the National Police Association is the biggest Second
Speaker 4: Amendment supporter as a police association. Most of the police
Speaker 4: unions don't like Second Amendment olders. We love them and
Speaker 4: we our Second Amendment rights people. But here's the thing.
Speaker 4: You know why I've never been shot by the police
Speaker 4: since I've been retired, because when I am approached.
Speaker 3: By law enforcement or pulled over on a traffic stop.
Speaker 4: I immediately let them know I'm carrying a gun, and
Speaker 4: I don't get involved when my local law enforcement is
Speaker 4: trying to arrest someone. Alex pretty introduced a gun into
Speaker 4: this situation. If you're gonna go quote unquote be an observer,
Speaker 4: don't carry a gun.
Speaker 3: But he was not.
Speaker 1: And then you're allowed to carry a gun, Betsy, it's
Speaker 1: a second mind.
Speaker 3: But you are not allowed.
Speaker 2: You never took it out, he never brandished it.
Speaker 4: And you know, we don't again, we don't know that.
Speaker 4: We have a limited amount of video. We have a
Speaker 4: limited video and almost no audio. We don't know what
Speaker 4: the verbals were except for we can hear an agency
Speaker 4: gun gun gun. He was not a protester. He was
Speaker 4: an interrupter. He laid his hands on law enforcement, he
Speaker 4: got in the way, that confrontation got violent, and he
Speaker 4: got shot. We also have to look at now again,
Speaker 4: nothing against sig Sur. I attended the Sigsur academy. But
Speaker 4: this is a pistol that is known to have unintentional
Speaker 4: discharge issues. So we'll see what the forensics say on
Speaker 4: this pistol. There have been over a thousand unintentional discharges
Speaker 4: with this particular model of sig salars police.
Speaker 1: Then if that's the case, why are agencies still carrying
Speaker 1: these weapons. You tell me it was in the officer's
Speaker 1: hand and it could have just went off without them
Speaker 1: touching the trigger.
Speaker 4: Because law enforcement who carries those have had them retooled.
Speaker 4: There's a very easy fix to that. We don't know
Speaker 4: if Alex Pretty did that.
Speaker 3: Look, you have to look at what's happening here.
Speaker 4: These people like Alex Pretty, like Renee Good, and like
Speaker 4: thousands of others, remember mostly paid and imported whys and interrupts.
Speaker 3: These people are there because.
Speaker 4: They think that they are doing something good, because the
Speaker 4: irresponsible media, politicians and other activists have told them that
Speaker 4: they need to go in and save these poor black,
Speaker 4: black and brown people who are being well maybe.
Speaker 1: Sad, okay, but maybe a couple of things here, Betsy
Speaker 1: Branner Smith. Number one is Alex pet Pretty does not
Speaker 1: seem to be a paid interloper here. He's an ICU
Speaker 1: physician or I'm ACU nurse for the VA in Minneapolis.
Speaker 6: Nomber.
Speaker 1: Of the people who have been caught in this have
Speaker 1: been all local people. I'm not saying there haven't been paid.
Speaker 1: But the de mantra, though, is that everyone there is
Speaker 1: somehow a paid protester from George Soros. That's insane. Of
Speaker 1: course that's not true, especially in the case of mister Pretty.
Speaker 1: But what what did he do? If if you watch
Speaker 1: the video and I watched them, I'm sure all the
Speaker 1: angles and you have, well, Betsy, what what did he
Speaker 1: do to warrant getting shot? Did you see something where
Speaker 1: he's been a I mean, I certainly saw him in
Speaker 1: the street, and that's a that's a punishable fence. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he was pushed, he was pepper sprayed,
Speaker 1: he was looked like he was grabbing on to someone.
Speaker 1: That woman who was pushed over to try and get
Speaker 1: back up. I don't know if he was resisting and
Speaker 1: technically I suppose just disobeying an order might be resisting.
Speaker 3: But man, actually he committed a felony.
Speaker 4: He committed a battery on a police.
Speaker 1: Well, they put his hand up too, like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not a threat. He's holding the phone in one hand,
Speaker 1: clearly a phone, and he's got his other hand up
Speaker 1: saying hey, listen, I'm not I'm not threatening you, I'm
Speaker 1: not pushing it. Of course, he's being shoved and pushed back,
Speaker 1: and as he's trying not to fall, may have reached out.
Speaker 1: But to me, that looks like the aggression of the
Speaker 1: part of the federal agency.
Speaker 2: They look poorly trained. To me, Betsy is seeing there.
Speaker 4: There's another mantra that the media is media.
Speaker 2: I know what I saw.
Speaker 1: I'm not watching NBC and I'm not getting my marching
Speaker 1: orders from the media. Betsy, I know what I saw
Speaker 1: A portion.
Speaker 4: Of video, and you were Remember Remember the Supreme Court says,
Speaker 4: we have to look at this y from the position
Speaker 4: of a reasonable officer. You have no idea what was said.
Speaker 4: You have no idea what happened before that video. Correct,
Speaker 4: And again those angles are just a small part of
Speaker 4: what happened. We have to perceive what the officers perceive.
Speaker 4: And again, remember those officers are there being told that
Speaker 4: they are going to be killed. We're going to kill you,
Speaker 4: We're going to rape your wife, We're going to do
Speaker 4: all these things.
Speaker 2: Again, you don't know that. You don't know that they
Speaker 2: You just told me. You don't know what they said.
Speaker 1: But now you're telling me that they told it that
Speaker 1: people are yelling they're going to be killed in rape.
Speaker 2: You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 4: All of the Ice agents and Border Patrol agents that
Speaker 4: are there every day in Minneapolis trying to do their job,
Speaker 4: this is just a cop. It is a constant the
Speaker 4: cophony of absolute hate.
Speaker 3: Again, this is part of the part.
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with that point, But when it comes
Speaker 1: to the point of a man who doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be a threat to a number of law enforcement officials
Speaker 1: are getting shot when his hand is up and not
Speaker 1: putting his hand on his legally held weapon. As an American,
Speaker 1: as someone who's a constitutionalist, I don't know. I watch
Speaker 1: that and go, that's a bad shoot. That's and I
Speaker 1: think the Fed's got to reexamine their tactics. They look
Speaker 1: like poor tactics, and they're the ones who escalated the situation.
Speaker 1: I get he's out in the street. You shove the guy,
Speaker 1: he's back near the sidewalk. At what point do you
Speaker 1: need five people jumping on this guy and then shooting him.
Speaker 4: As a constitutionalist, he don't lay your hands on law enforcement?
Speaker 2: You sure don't. But it does.
Speaker 1: But again, you know they shoved him, pushed, and pepper
Speaker 1: sprayed him. He's falling backwards, he's moving off the street.
Speaker 1: He has his hand up in a phone. Where's the threat.
Speaker 4: The threat is that he has a gun.
Speaker 3: And he has laid his hands on law enforcement, and.
Speaker 2: We don't know he had a gun until he was
Speaker 2: on the ground.
Speaker 4: Though, here's the problem. You and I are sitting here
Speaker 4: because we have we have hindsight bias, so we already
Speaker 4: know the ending of the story.
Speaker 3: So I want you to think about that.
Speaker 4: If you've ever watched Star Wars the first Star Wars,
Speaker 4: hand Solo is a bad guy and you all hate
Speaker 4: him until the end. Then when you watch Star Wars
Speaker 4: the second time, you see him differently because you know
Speaker 4: he's a hero. Because we know the ending.
Speaker 3: Of the story.
Speaker 4: We are all acting with hindsight bias, no.
Speaker 1: Question, But yeah, this is the story that's out today.
Speaker 1: This is why we're.
Speaker 4: Talking about I'm finished, let me finish, because what this
Speaker 4: discussion does to people listening to this is they're going
Speaker 4: to say, man, I need to get involved, I need
Speaker 4: to get out there, and I need to sacrifice because
Speaker 4: what ICE is doing wrong And these agents are poorly trained,
Speaker 4: and I know better than them, they're not poorly trained.
Speaker 4: And the problem is they're trying.
Speaker 3: To do a job that they have been told to.
Speaker 4: Do, but they are being interrupted and attacked and assaulted,
Speaker 4: and it's gotten to a braakking point where we probably
Speaker 4: need the Insurrection Act so that our military can protect
Speaker 4: our law enforcement. And you want to talk about constitutionality.
Speaker 4: That is not where America wants to see itself, but
Speaker 4: that is where we were headed. That's where we are
Speaker 4: headed because of Jacob Fry, because of Tim Walls, because
Speaker 4: of the media, and because of the hatred. Let's just
Speaker 4: throw it out there. It's because of the hatred of
Speaker 4: Donald Trump and the resurrection of the hatred of the
Speaker 4: American law enforcement officer.
Speaker 3: And that's a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Betsy, I've been around a while. I
Speaker 1: see more blue flags than blue line fags support for
Speaker 1: first responders and the like ever since nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: And granted this is a community. I don't live in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: nor to you, I don't know what the community standards are.
Speaker 1: They're clearly they don't support federal agents and ice and
Speaker 1: the roundups and all that stuff. But you are allowed
Speaker 1: to protest the actions of your government. At what point
Speaker 1: do you simply go, Okay, well we got a lot
Speaker 1: of them, do what they're going to do and stay
Speaker 1: out of the way.
Speaker 2: That's not how it works.
Speaker 4: Yeah, protesting your federal government, of which I have done,
Speaker 4: does not mean laying hands on their law enforcement officers.
Speaker 1: And this, well, the officers put him in a situation
Speaker 1: on an icy street or he's falling over and reached out.
Speaker 1: He wasn't like punching it. He wasn't punching cops. I mean,
Speaker 1: I watched the video one hundred times.
Speaker 4: I never saw that es Sir did not put Alex
Speaker 4: Pretty in that situation. Alex Pretty and whoever radicalized him did,
Speaker 4: Remember his parents begged him not to go. They begged
Speaker 4: him not to insert himself in this situation.
Speaker 1: We didn't deserve to get shot. Betsy, Betsy, It's indefensible.
Speaker 4: But he no one deserves to get shot, but federal agents,
Speaker 4: like local law enforcement, do not deserve to get shot either.
Speaker 4: Here's the problem, and you and I are even doing
Speaker 4: it right now. We are separating out. Oh I love
Speaker 4: my county deputies, in my town cops and my stay caps,
Speaker 4: but those federal agents are bad. It's that is not true.
Speaker 4: It's all law enforcement, and we've got to stop.
Speaker 3: You a lot.
Speaker 1: I'll say, bet, Betsy, Betsy does does does what the
Speaker 1: actions of ice and the federal agents that appear to
Speaker 1: me to be poorly trained, and not just me, other
Speaker 1: cops and use of force experts I've talked to, does
Speaker 1: that make it harder for local cops to do their job.
Speaker 4: I'm one of those use of force experts. I'm one
Speaker 4: of those police trainers. I have trained federal law enforcement
Speaker 4: for nearly thirty years. They are not poorly trained. It's
Speaker 4: easy to be a big, fat retired cop sitting on
Speaker 4: your couch and saying, oh, I would have never I
Speaker 4: would have never shot him, I would have never done this,
Speaker 4: I would have never done that.
Speaker 3: Again, we have to look at this from them.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make you right in them wrong. You have
Speaker 2: an opinion.
Speaker 6: Just like they did offer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do have an opinion, but I'm going to
Speaker 4: hold my entire opinion until I know the facts.
Speaker 3: This spouting off of oh was a bad shoot.
Speaker 4: They're poorly trained. Out of these are lies.
Speaker 1: I said, it appears to be a bad shoot, and
Speaker 1: I'm certainly open to changing my opinion based on other
Speaker 1: evidence that comes out, But so far it looks awful, Betsy.
Speaker 4: Use of force is never pretty. And here's the problem. Remember,
Speaker 4: for the last ten years since Michael Brown, we have
Speaker 4: been told police officers they're road they're badly trained, they
Speaker 4: hate people.
Speaker 3: Of color, etc.
Speaker 5: Etc.
Speaker 1: Few people believe that, though I think most people are like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: cops make mistakes.
Speaker 3: Too, so wrong about that.
Speaker 2: It depends what city you're in. Cincinnati, we don't do that.
Speaker 3: I have trained tops in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's Minnesota. This is what we're talking about
Speaker 1: here in Ohio. We appreciate our law enforce.
Speaker 4: What he got shot in Cincinnati. We're talking about Minneapolis.
Speaker 4: People have been shot here for law enforcement. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: what does your media do? What does your.
Speaker 1: Community do when you talk about the media, What are
Speaker 1: you talking about media?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Was on your phone?
Speaker 4: It's social lots of Cincinnati and Ohio media where the
Speaker 4: police were blamed for rights to shooting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the reaction of the public. It's the
Speaker 1: media made a report on that, and people may have
Speaker 1: opinions on it. But I would say ninety nine times
Speaker 1: out of one hundred, it's a justified shooting, even when
Speaker 1: people are outraged about it. I have no problem calling
Speaker 1: what it is in this case. I don't see it
Speaker 1: that way. Betsy Branner Smith, National Police Association. I always
Speaker 1: appreciate the viggorest debate and discussion, and I hope you
Speaker 1: say well talking on soon.
Speaker 4: Thanks again for having me.
Speaker 2: All the best.
Speaker 1: Let me get a news update in your reaction all
Speaker 1: this thing, you with her, you with me? What did
Speaker 1: you see? Five three, seven four nine, seven thousand saloony?
Speaker 1: Back in the right after news here seven hundred WW
Speaker 1: sploding here, seven hundred WLW frozen toware seats as it were?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So Betsy Brantner Smith of the National Police Association, just
Speaker 1: on the show, couldn't disagree with him more. She seemed
Speaker 1: to she I don't know, it's kind of a hard
Speaker 1: position to take to say what you witnessed was that
Speaker 1: a justified shooting in Minneapolis, as the case was with
Speaker 1: the thirty seven year old woman with the car. Initially
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, well, she's moving. One guy's telling her
Speaker 1: one thing and others doing another. That's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: That seems like a coin toss. This to me not
Speaker 1: so much. The idea that she kept referring to was
Speaker 1: don't show up to her protest with a gun. But
Speaker 1: did this could have played out even if it hadn't
Speaker 1: been a protester, like if it had been a business
Speaker 1: owner or who knows, right, somebody comes out on the
Speaker 1: street and man, now, yeah, was he setting up a
Speaker 1: start a legal peril because he was quote unquote interfering
Speaker 1: with a law enforcement operation? And is that driven by
Speaker 1: the culture in Minnesota? Sure, but that's Minnesota, right. There
Speaker 1: are a lot more liberal and progressive Minnesota than we're
Speaker 1: here in Ohio. So I think you got to put
Speaker 1: it through that lens, and you know it's being ginned
Speaker 1: up by the news media, and.
Speaker 2: You know what the way we know what we all saw.
Speaker 1: And as someone who is an ed an art and
Speaker 1: support of seconmendment and all the con social modments for
Speaker 1: that matter, I got a real problem with this, and
Speaker 1: you know, the idea that somehow this is going against
Speaker 1: the wishes of the Trump administration, hold on, Just so,
Speaker 1: what bizarre world do we live in it?
Speaker 2: If that's you?
Speaker 1: And I know you have your right to your opinions,
Speaker 1: as Betsy Branner Smith did, but are you more loyal
Speaker 1: to the office or the party than you are the constitution?
Speaker 2: Because that's a problem for me.
Speaker 1: You are allowed to say at any point, I can't
Speaker 1: support this if you're on the fence. Before he said no,
Speaker 1: this is way across the line. And then when Christy
Speaker 1: Nome comes out and says, well, he's a domestic terrorist.
Speaker 1: He was going to kill and shoot agents. I didn't
Speaker 1: see that because you know what, he never put his
Speaker 1: hand on his gun as far as we know. Again,
Speaker 1: now again this is all mitigating because more evidence could
Speaker 1: come out. I don't think it is, but it might.
Speaker 1: It might, and at that point we'll go with the
Speaker 1: information we know. But we know what we all saw.
Speaker 1: I know what I saw, and as a citizen of
Speaker 1: this country, didn't like it. You had to say, he's, well,
Speaker 1: he's there to murder agents. Well, he would have shot
Speaker 1: them already if that were the case, Why would he
Speaker 1: wait till they're on top of them all five that
Speaker 1: to pull his gun out and try to threaten and
Speaker 1: shoot agents. Now, of course not if you're if you're
Speaker 1: a terrorist and held about on shooting people, you would
Speaker 1: have done it earlier in that situation, and you do
Speaker 1: have a right to carry.
Speaker 2: He was a licensed to carry that weapon. He was
Speaker 2: not brandishing it.
Speaker 1: This wasn't this is what we saw in Cincinnati with
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old and a gun and a dumpster.
Speaker 1: Whole different situation. And if that's the case, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't have a Fourth Amendment right if agents without
Speaker 1: a warrant can come crashing in your house. Now, if
Speaker 1: you're in pursuit or there's imminent threat, sure, but we've
Speaker 1: seen that happen. I don't agree with most of these protesters,
Speaker 1: but I support their right to protest. You can't really
Speaker 1: get in the way and interfere with law enforcement operations,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's that's certainly a crime. But based
Speaker 1: on what I saw yesterday or basically I saw this weekend,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's out there recording stuff and had his
Speaker 1: hand up and they pushed him on the ground. They're
Speaker 1: like five or six agents on top of him, took
Speaker 1: his gun and then shot him. What threat did he
Speaker 1: pose at that particular moment? And you know, I said,
Speaker 1: you have you're allowed to say, you are allowed to say. Listen,
Speaker 1: I can't support this. I voted for this, but I
Speaker 1: don't support this. And if you don't, I would question
Speaker 1: that and go okay, hold on to second. A lot
Speaker 1: of the people who are quote unquote conservatives, Republicans, magae
Speaker 1: even aren't Second Amendment fans, huge fans. I see the
Speaker 1: we the People T shirts and the tri Corner hats right,
Speaker 1: and they were right to keep in bare arms.
Speaker 2: Okay, if that's the case, why do you know?
Speaker 1: The question is typically is when we have the progressive
Speaker 1: left wanting to take the guns away, we got to
Speaker 1: you know, we need more laws.
Speaker 2: We need more laws.
Speaker 1: Now we don't we got laws now that people ignore,
Speaker 1: the bad guys ignore, why do you have guns? Well,
Speaker 1: we have to defend against tyranny. Well, what the hell
Speaker 1: is this? Doesn't that fit the definition?
Speaker 2: I would say yeah.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, you can agree that we have
Speaker 1: an immigration problem and we have the right to go
Speaker 1: after the especially those who are predatory criminals. Maybe not
Speaker 1: so much so, and you know, Lord on the list
Speaker 1: would be individuals who have been here or brought you know,
Speaker 1: the uh anchor babies or those who are brought here
Speaker 1: as children. That's all debatable, and we should abate all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But you know, rounding up people who are
Speaker 1: here illegally and violent criminals, yeah, we should be going
Speaker 1: after those people. But if you think that that's in
Speaker 1: a front that you have a right to protest, I
Speaker 1: support those who protest that.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be out there myself. I think now.
Speaker 1: A lot of the individuals who are rounding up need
Speaker 1: to be rounded up, but we are also catching because
Speaker 1: of I think some of the incompetents here catching rounding
Speaker 1: up people who shouldn't be And I suppose that may
Speaker 1: be a reason why people are upset in protesting. But
Speaker 1: it's Minnesota. This is not happening in Cincinnati. It's not
Speaker 1: happening in Louisville. It's not happening in Indiana. It's happening
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Different mentality there. But to somehow say that,
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't show up to a protest with
Speaker 1: a gun, That's not how it works, man. They work
Speaker 1: for us. I got a problem with this, how about
Speaker 1: you five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. Let
Speaker 1: me go to Jimmy and Cleaves on the Big One morning.
Speaker 7: Jim Hey, soloony, I totally agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: Couple things. I support local police, I support the military.
Speaker 7: I'm a conservative. I voted for Trump. However, if I
Speaker 7: got to hear one more administrative person, the person you've
Speaker 7: had on talk about you don't know what these ICE
Speaker 7: agents are up against. We have sympathy for him.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 7: But and if we have to wait for let's wait
Speaker 7: for everything, let's not make let's not rush to judgment.
Speaker 7: We see what we see on these videos, right, and
Speaker 7: and for one more person to say, well, you don't
Speaker 7: know what they're up against, it doesn't.
Speaker 8: Give you the right to shoot an American citizen.
Speaker 7: For God's sake.
Speaker 9: I am fired up about this because I think it
Speaker 9: is creating so much more of a divide between well,
Speaker 9: you have to be on that side or this side. Yeah,
Speaker 9: how about how about where we used to be on
Speaker 9: the side that this is a wrongful shooting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have because of these political alliances, because of
Speaker 1: these walls, because we've my side's got to win and
Speaker 1: your side has to lose. We have now painted ourselves
Speaker 1: in the corner of being it things being indefensible, indefensible
Speaker 1: for crying out loud.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh, the same people that believe that Ashley Babbitt who
Speaker 1: was in the Capitol illegally and went beside the fact
Speaker 1: that agents were on the other side goblet of Place,
Speaker 1: had guns drawn and she decided to climb through one
Speaker 1: who got shot that some shot. He's a martyr, She's
Speaker 1: a murdyr. I don't understand what the difference in this
Speaker 1: case is.
Speaker 7: Then.
Speaker 1: Isn't that guy a martyr for the progressive left? In regardless,
Speaker 1: I think this guy didn't have that coming. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you go through a window and guys are saying
Speaker 1: stop and they're pointing guns at you, it seems to
Speaker 1: me they mean business. I don't understand how you could
Speaker 1: wrangle that into her being a patriot and a martyr
Speaker 1: and not be supportive of going now this is this
Speaker 1: is this government, this is way over it.
Speaker 2: These are bad tactics. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: they were thinking.
Speaker 7: It's really sad it's come to this, because it is.
Speaker 7: If you watch the videos and you see what happened,
Speaker 7: there is no way in hell this guy should have
Speaker 7: been shot and killed.
Speaker 6: No way.
Speaker 7: And now we have the Trump administration, Christy nom and
Speaker 7: and every you know, the ICE commander and everybody else
Speaker 7: have to make excuses.
Speaker 6: Well, let's wait to see what comes.
Speaker 1: We can see what we can see.
Speaker 8: It's pretty it's all right there in the videos.
Speaker 6: What else do we need to see?
Speaker 2: BRONI, I agree one hundred percent. Thanks for Carul.
Speaker 1: There's an element of this thing too that you see.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I kind of cut off there. I must
Speaker 1: be the cold cold well that it's effect and everything, headphones,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Yeah, and how much does he go? Well,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm being told, but I know what
Speaker 1: I see. I know what I saw. I also know that,
Speaker 1: and I'm reasonable that I would look at that and
Speaker 1: go okay, if there's an extenuating circumstance as to why
Speaker 1: they shot him, I would love to hear that. I'm
Speaker 1: open to know what what, what threat, what perceived threat
Speaker 1: you had at that moment. But based on the video evidence,
Speaker 1: not just one, but we have several camera angles of
Speaker 1: this thing. I saw a guy who had his phone out,
Speaker 1: I saw a guy who put his hand up at
Speaker 1: one point and hey, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not a threat. They start pepper spraying and pushing people.
Speaker 1: His reaction was to help a woman who got knocked over,
Speaker 1: helped her up, and then all of a sudden, like
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys are on top of him, pepper
Speaker 1: spraying thing. And I've never been pepper I don't want
Speaker 1: to be in a situation. I've been tased or pepper spread,
Speaker 1: neither one of those things. I'm good, thank you. And
Speaker 1: maybe he was warned get back, but they shoved him
Speaker 1: pretty good. They shoved a bunch of people over as well.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get back up. That's not attacking in
Speaker 1: a law enforcement officer. You know, did he put his
Speaker 1: bet Betsy said, you know, he put hands on them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because it's icing, he's slipping
Speaker 1: and they're spraying, pepper spraying, lots going on there, but
Speaker 1: it seems to me that they escalated the hell out
Speaker 1: of that situation when they didn't have to. And just
Speaker 1: the multitude of federal agents on him, pummeling him, pepper
Speaker 1: spraying him and punching him, and an agent takes the
Speaker 1: gun off of him, so the threat is stopped. And
Speaker 1: then at one point, the guy with the gun out
Speaker 1: shoots at the same time. So I wonder if he
Speaker 1: said somebody said gun, gun, gun and meaning that, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the gun off off of him and the
Speaker 1: officer who fired the shots I think ten shots in
Speaker 1: five seconds. Thought it was a active threat of miscommunication.
Speaker 1: But again, that's on training, and how could it not
Speaker 1: be training in tactics At that point, the guy.
Speaker 2: Was exercising his Second Amendment.
Speaker 1: Right, This is a tough one if you are in
Speaker 1: the Maga corner right now, going oh yeah, but okay,
Speaker 1: second Amendment. Yeah, well I got shirts, I got guns,
Speaker 1: I believe in all that stuff, and we're to fight
Speaker 1: against tyranny. Well it was your guy that did it.
Speaker 1: Well that's not tyranny, that's we have terrorists out, the
Speaker 1: domestic terror I mean right away, to call him a
Speaker 1: domestic terraces like there's a many people domestic terrorists. I
Speaker 1: didn't see him as a domestic terrorist. Now you may
Speaker 1: question his sensibilities, going, well, you're thirty seven year old ice,
Speaker 1: you nurse at the VIA. You seem like a good guy.
Speaker 1: You got to permit legal to carry. Why would you
Speaker 1: put yourself in that situation? Why would you video the
Speaker 1: law enforcement officer. Well, you know I would do that.
Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't do that, but in America you have
Speaker 1: a right to do that. And did I see someone
Speaker 1: laying in front of you know, trying to trying to
Speaker 1: pull the agents off of the person they were detaining
Speaker 1: for what seems like reasonable cause. It's not our determination
Speaker 1: as a reasonal but you can stand there in video
Speaker 1: and protest and you know they're trying to move him
Speaker 1: off the street. Sure, he's got his hand up, He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a threat, and they shove him backwards. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they need to do that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's I'm saying. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's an acceptable tactic or not. But it
Speaker 1: seemed like people were videoing it where they weren't really
Speaker 1: in the way I've seen, you know, local protests for example,
Speaker 1: where people have done much worse than police have been
Speaker 1: more restrained than that. It seems like they just escalated
Speaker 1: this thing beyond all reasonable levels. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, the constitution says you're allowed to do things
Speaker 1: like this. You may disagree with it, and you go,
Speaker 1: I think it's a stupid idea. I think it's a
Speaker 1: stupid cause. But that's how the constitution says. That's what
Speaker 1: I care about most. Seven nine seven thou over to uh.
Speaker 1: Let me get to Nick in Prebble County this morning
Speaker 1: on seven hundred. WW How you doing, Nick?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, good, good good. What's up?
Speaker 5: Good morning.
Speaker 11: I'm just wondering, do you think the ICE agents should
Speaker 11: leave a Minnesota them since they're having a mob ruled
Speaker 11: up there.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it's more.
Speaker 1: I think it's like like like coagitation, like the more
Speaker 1: ICE agents do what they do, the more protesters you're
Speaker 1: gonna have. I don't and I don't know if Trump
Speaker 1: is certainly it's not in his DNA to back off
Speaker 1: and go, hey, we're going to withdraw agents because of
Speaker 1: you know, the shootings that have occurred at this point,
Speaker 1: and I think it might get worse before it gets better.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're there to enforce the laws
Speaker 1: and you say, hey, listen, we're going after individuals. This
Speaker 1: guy was wanted for domestic assault, which is a legitimate
Speaker 1: reason around them up. Also the fact that you're illegally
Speaker 1: that that's within the rain of ICE I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they're incorrect and doing this. What I'm saying is shooting
Speaker 1: that guy was wrong.
Speaker 11: So do you think the officers should be put in
Speaker 11: prison or she What do you think should happen to him?
Speaker 8: Since he since you're saying he illegally.
Speaker 1: Shot the guy, Well, again, he has an affirmative defense,
Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to defend himself and as to
Speaker 1: why he was in that position. But if everything plays
Speaker 1: out is what we saw yesterday, there's no new evidence
Speaker 1: that this guy had a gun who was making throw
Speaker 1: our second gun, I guess I should say the threat
Speaker 1: was neutralized. Why they have to shoot him? That that
Speaker 1: burden should be on the on the agents.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Another thing is when when they go up there and
Speaker 11: stuff and they're all blown whistles and like, if you're
Speaker 11: trying to your job right now, once you were blown whistle,
Speaker 11: they say they were going to kill you because there
Speaker 11: is threat against them, their signs out there and everything else.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you.
Speaker 11: Were an eate, if you were an ICE agent, I
Speaker 11: mean you would be.
Speaker 8: A little fearful for your life.
Speaker 6: I would I would imagine somebody else's gun.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, I'd definitely be on edge. But the same
Speaker 1: time is me and you are not trained to be
Speaker 1: in situations like that. We don't insert our situation ourselves.
Speaker 1: In situations like that. The training says, Hey, there's going
Speaker 1: to be protesters, people blowing whistles, people saying things to you,
Speaker 1: maybe throwing stuff at you, and that's where the training
Speaker 1: comes in. And if that's the case, well where's the
Speaker 1: training here. It's reasonable to go. We expect better from
Speaker 1: federal agents from local agents for that matter. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong or disloyal about that. That's how the system works.
Speaker 1: They technically work for us. I have no problem with
Speaker 1: them doing their jobs and rounding up people. They're rounding up.
Speaker 1: That's what we voted for, Okay, But when you get
Speaker 1: an individual out there who's exposing a threat at all
Speaker 1: other than just recording and you shoot him, I can't
Speaker 1: stand with that.
Speaker 2: How about you.
Speaker 10: Well, the thing is, once the gun was in play,
Speaker 10: you know, I don't know why I would have done.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's a gun in play.
Speaker 11: I mean I hope I would have made the right
Speaker 11: decision and not shot the guy.
Speaker 6: But the same sense, everybody's.
Speaker 5: Yelling gun, gun, and well maybe I really don't know.
Speaker 1: They took the gun off the guy and then shot him.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. It's not like he pulled the gun.
Speaker 2: Out the gun.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree, you know, it's just I mean I
Speaker 10: took concealed carry here in Ohio. When I took it,
Speaker 10: the first thing they tell you is, yeah, well the
Speaker 10: police officer shoots you. And they said, well, you know,
Speaker 10: telling me you got a gun, put your hands on
Speaker 10: your steering wheel. I don't know if you have you
Speaker 10: ever taken the cecil carry? Yeah, yeah, I have, right, yeah,
Speaker 10: And I mean they pretty much tell you that you
Speaker 10: know you got a gun, and the police officers don't
Speaker 10: know what you're going to be done with a gun,
Speaker 10: so you better make sure they tell you, tell them
Speaker 10: they got a gun. So that was one of the
Speaker 10: things that my wife and I took the course, and
Speaker 10: she was like, she wouldn't even take she wouldn't even
Speaker 10: go up and get a permit till she talked to
Speaker 10: the sheriff here in the county and he says, nobody's
Speaker 10: gonna shoot you.
Speaker 5: You'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Well, I got to go into news here, but I'll
Speaker 1: interject and say that that lassin's changed. Of course, since
Speaker 1: we changed the second amendment of the carry laws. In Ohio,
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell a copy of a gun anymore.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what people on the right wanted in
Speaker 1: the state. So I don't know if that's the same
Speaker 1: in minnesot I don't know what the laws of Minnesota
Speaker 1: with that, if you got to identify or not. But
Speaker 1: I know here's like, well, if you did that in Ohio,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't have to tell you I
Speaker 1: have a gun, and that's what conservatives wanted. And God,
Speaker 1: and now you're telling me, well, you gotta tell me
Speaker 1: I have a gun. I'm not saying you. You're saying that.
Speaker 1: But do you see the disconnect here and the problem
Speaker 1: because I do. Hey, listen, I had I guess I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this more. Everyone wants to talk
Speaker 1: about this. Uh maybe one line open at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
Speaker 1: eight hundred, the big one, talk back, a heart rate up?
Speaker 2: What else you can do?
Speaker 1: It's cold, you know, we're in the levels three S
Speaker 1: no men emergency for the next few minutes here, can't
Speaker 1: really go in or doing anything.
Speaker 2: Might as well talk about this.
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious where you stand on this whole issue.
Speaker 1: I support law enforcement, as you know, I support what
Speaker 1: ICE is doing to degree, you know, get the real criminals.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people who are predators, who are here illegally.
Speaker 1: Not just snarily legals, but predators. Yes, yeah, we we
Speaker 1: should be doing that. However, However, what I saw yesterday,
Speaker 1: or so I saw Saturday, I guess that ain't that.
Speaker 2: I can't stand with that.
Speaker 1: Because you are allowed to say I can't support this,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying I can't support this.
Speaker 2: How about you?
Speaker 1: More of your calls right after news update on the
Speaker 1: home of the Red seven hundred WW Cincinnati, say what
Speaker 1: if you're prepared? Yes, it was a great to stay in.
Speaker 1: You got a good excuse not to do nothing, watch
Speaker 1: some football.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you. I know this is
Speaker 2: not a popular stand.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say. I don't really care. I'm going to
Speaker 1: speak my conscience in my mind here and I've been
Speaker 1: saying for the last hour, we'll continue this conversation about
Speaker 1: what happened in Minnesota. Not allowed to say about the
Speaker 1: cold and the snow. We'll wrap up that. I've got
Speaker 1: a little few guests on that a little bit later on.
Speaker 1: But right now, the story in Minnesota taking center stage here.
Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but you are allowed
Speaker 1: to say I saw what I saw. I can't support this,
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, I support our law enforcement. I support
Speaker 1: our police. I understand the mission of Ice and Customs.
Speaker 1: And that is the promise fulfilled by the time up
Speaker 1: administration too weed out not only illegals, but particularly illegals
Speaker 1: who are caught up in crime, serious crime, predatory crime,
Speaker 1: like this individual that they were arresting. As the story goes,
Speaker 1: a narrative goes allegedly on Saturday that they're rounding up
Speaker 1: a guide who is here illegally, but also someone who
Speaker 1: is a commits acts of domestic violence.
Speaker 2: Okay, can't have that, all right. I'm with you there.
Speaker 1: I can be supportive of that, and at the same time,
Speaker 1: you can also be supportive of what you saw, not
Speaker 1: what you're told, but by what you saw. And I
Speaker 1: know what I saw, and you saw the same thing.
Speaker 1: Did you look at that and go that's over the line,
Speaker 1: because I did. I sure did. And what I really
Speaker 1: don't like. What I don't really like is the constitutional
Speaker 1: violation going We have the second, the fourth or fourteen
Speaker 1: amendments of prohibitive officers from shooting citizens merely for possessing
Speaker 1: a weapon that is not an imminent threat. Now let
Speaker 1: me make that clear. This guy that was shot on
Speaker 1: Saturday did not brandish a weapon. Okay, this wasn't Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 1: He had it on his person. I would think the
Speaker 1: weapon is secure in either waistband, pocket and probably a holster.
Speaker 1: Not sure that was not an iminent threat. And the
Speaker 1: video is very clear, the three to four to five
Speaker 1: videos very clear that Kyle pretty was holding a cell
Speaker 1: phone and not a firearm. And at one point prior
Speaker 1: to him being you know, pepper spread, he had his
Speaker 1: hand up in the fashion of not like shoving the up,
Speaker 1: but like, hey, I got my cell phone, I'm recording this.
Speaker 1: I'm not a threat, and the officer saw him as
Speaker 1: a thread. Furthermore, when I hear instantly the Federal Gunment
Speaker 1: Christy Nome come out and say this guy was a
Speaker 1: domestic terrorist and he was poised to murder agents with
Speaker 1: that gun, that is a lie. I don't think what
Speaker 1: he was doing falls into the guy's the very broad
Speaker 1: term of domestic terrorism, and I certainly don't think he
Speaker 1: was poised to murder agents because if that were true,
Speaker 1: wouldn't he have already shot the agents. If you had
Speaker 1: the gun, you had ample opportunity before they're in front of.
Speaker 2: You to shoot them.
Speaker 1: He didn't do that, he didn't draw it, he had
Speaker 1: it on his person, he was not brandishing, and yet
Speaker 1: he was shot to death. If you're able to justify
Speaker 1: that in your mind, and I'm just curious, how do
Speaker 1: you do that? Because presumably one of the great things
Speaker 1: about mag and Republicans is the fact that they are
Speaker 1: aren't supporters of the Second Amendment. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of all amendments of the Constitution, particularly one and two.
Speaker 1: To me, the reason why they're one and two the
Speaker 1: second one though, Okay, you're allowed to have you're allowed
Speaker 1: to protest, you're a lot, and you're allowed to have
Speaker 1: a gun on you. He had a legal permit to
Speaker 1: carry that weapon and he got shot. Why, Well, because
Speaker 1: he's at the meat he was poised to murder agents.
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. I don't know why he was carrying
Speaker 2: the weapon.
Speaker 1: We don't know what led him to going there, and
Speaker 1: all the circumstances that will come out at some point.
Speaker 1: Also troubling to me, it is the Minnesota Bureau of
Speaker 1: a Criminal Apprehension said during a news conference Saturday, Federal
Speaker 1: officers block the agency, the local agency, from the shooting scene.
Speaker 1: They came back with a signed warrant from a judge,
Speaker 1: and we're still blocked. That's not how it works, man,
Speaker 1: that's not you know. At some point you go, okay,
Speaker 1: hold on just a second. All the stuff that I support.
Speaker 1: If you're you know, mag if you're on the right,
Speaker 1: and I lean to the right, obviously, I go okay,
Speaker 1: I'm all about the constitution. I'm all about why do
Speaker 1: you have a Why do you need guns? Every time
Speaker 1: we have you know, progressives come out and go, well,
Speaker 1: we need more gun. We gotta get her all these guns.
Speaker 1: Get rid of the guns. Get rid of the guns.
Speaker 2: Well, what do you what do you need?
Speaker 1: All those guns were well to prevent to protect myself
Speaker 1: from government tyranny, government tyranny. Don't you think that this
Speaker 1: is government tyranny? Because because I sure do you know
Speaker 1: when you have them saying yeah, I know what the
Speaker 1: federal I know what the law is. Yeah, you're not new.
Speaker 1: You can't come into our scene. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're the Feds. Where we but by by lah By
Speaker 1: the constitution. The local agencies have a right to go
Speaker 1: to that too. Shooting scene. Shooting someone for simply possessing
Speaker 1: a weapon that's not in them in threat is also
Speaker 1: a constitucial violation. And so when you say I defend
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, do you or do you defend this administration?
Speaker 1: Because those are two different things. Five win, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 1: seven eight are the big one. Talk back on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app to Tim and for Thomas on the Scotslon Shoogar, Morning, Tim,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 12: It's him. It's got a couple of things that have
Speaker 12: not been brought up that I need something on. In
Speaker 12: the photo, it showed that the gun was cocked. When
Speaker 12: you and I am a concealed carry owner in Kentucky.
Speaker 12: When you carry a gun, you do not have it cocked.
Speaker 12: It doesn't fit into a holster.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, Kyle? It looked like I did.
Speaker 1: I saw it, but I didn't really look closely at
Speaker 1: the gun that they held up in the press conference
Speaker 1: or a picture of on the seat. It looked like
Speaker 1: a maybe a nine millimeter or a six hour. I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure what brand it was, but that didn't
Speaker 1: look like a.
Speaker 12: Revolver to me, No, a revolver. No, you're talking about
Speaker 12: cocking the hammer on a revolver. In order for a
Speaker 12: nine milimeter to be cocked and ready, you've got to
Speaker 12: pull the entire chamber back the slide. It locks back
Speaker 12: and it shows the barrel.
Speaker 6: That's the way it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hold on a second, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is the barrel was sticking out,
Speaker 1: and there was because there's no round in the chamber.
Speaker 1: When when law enforcement takes a firearm from a scene,
Speaker 1: they render it like that. So it's probably law enforcement
Speaker 1: that did that, necessarily him, because what they want to
Speaker 1: make sure is that when in handling it in the
Speaker 1: chain of evidence, they don't want it to go off.
Speaker 1: So what they do is they secure it. They cleared
Speaker 1: the magazine, and they leave it in that condition. What
Speaker 1: you saw, So it probably wasn't him, it was law enforcement.
Speaker 12: Well, I realized what you're saying, But you don't.
Speaker 6: Know that for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know a lot of things for sure
Speaker 1: at this point. I know what I saw. Did you
Speaker 1: what you saw? What did you agree with?
Speaker 12: I would have preferred to have a whole lot of
Speaker 12: audio to fill in what was occurring. Holding a hand
Speaker 12: up doesn't necessarily mean you know, I'm not a threat.
Speaker 12: I don't know what the hand up meant. But the
Speaker 12: other point I wanted to bring up was even though
Speaker 12: he would be entitled to bring a gun anywhere as
Speaker 12: a concealed carry permit owner, it was a bad idea.
Speaker 12: But why would you have also too fully loaded cartridges
Speaker 12: with you?
Speaker 1: Magazines? He had two magazines on you. Okay, well, but
Speaker 1: that's not if you have a permit, that's not a crime.
Speaker 1: You could carry ten of them, so what it's not.
Speaker 12: It's not a crime. But to say that that's not
Speaker 12: an issue is wrong.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't know he had two mags on him
Speaker 1: until after they killed him. And not only that they
Speaker 1: took they took the gun away with They took the
Speaker 1: gun away from him and then shot him. That's not
Speaker 1: a problem for you.
Speaker 12: If I put a crogress to go shopping and I
Speaker 12: have my gun in my holster in a concealed position,
Speaker 12: I don't take two magazines with me.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not you.
Speaker 1: But other people how I've seen people go into March's
Speaker 1: Second Amendment marches that carry a lot more than that,
Speaker 1: did they deserve to be shot?
Speaker 12: I never said anything about deserving to be shot. I
Speaker 12: think you're taking some things that appear to be facts
Speaker 12: from what we've seen from the photos.
Speaker 2: And you're making that absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent doing that because that's that's what
Speaker 1: we have right now, and it's natural. It's also logical
Speaker 1: to now. I've said before, I can't say it enough.
Speaker 1: If more evidence, exculporate evidence comes out that it leans
Speaker 1: towards the ice agents or law enforcement, I'd be more
Speaker 1: than open to hear that. But based on what you
Speaker 1: see right now, do you or do you not have
Speaker 1: a problem with it? If you had to make a
Speaker 1: decision right now, what would it be.
Speaker 12: Well, I wouldn't make a decision now. Like I said, audio,
Speaker 12: I think is going to give a lot more information.
Speaker 12: If this was a bad shoot, it needs to be
Speaker 12: thoroughly investigated and prosecuted.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the other problem is that you
Speaker 1: know who's doing the investigation, the people who did the shooting.
Speaker 1: That's a problem because we have that in local law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Right Let's say Cincinnati, I don't know Evandale, whatever it
Speaker 1: might be. The state comes in, they take the investigation
Speaker 1: over you're a criminal investigation comes in Kentucky. Every other
Speaker 1: state does that. It's like, yeah, okay, you guys are
Speaker 1: in we're gonna investigate this. That ain't happening in this
Speaker 1: case so far. That is also a problem. And so
Speaker 1: the question is do you trust the government that much?
Speaker 1: Because I don't. I don't trust the government if it's
Speaker 1: a Democrat. I don't trust the government if it's a Republican.
Speaker 1: And we got to a point now in this country
Speaker 1: where a lot of people will simply side with the
Speaker 1: government because that's my horse because I got that you
Speaker 1: know what, I got that red shirt on, or I
Speaker 1: got that blue shirt on. I don't care what that
Speaker 1: I I'm with them all the way because we're afraid
Speaker 1: of a couple of things. One of them is being
Speaker 1: thrown out of the group that somehow you know you're
Speaker 1: a rhino or you know you're actually a conservative when
Speaker 1: you say you're a progressive, and I don't know. We
Speaker 1: need to be in I guess that community right now
Speaker 1: because we've turned this, you know, into sports is what
Speaker 1: it is. We have a team, were rooting for a team,
Speaker 1: and my team can never I can never be wrong
Speaker 1: because it's a reflection on me, and it's not. And
Speaker 1: I think the reflection on us is like, instead of
Speaker 1: siding with what the truth is and what really matters
Speaker 1: and that we are the people and we run the
Speaker 1: show simply because it's who I voted for, who I support,
Speaker 1: I got to look the other way. And that just
Speaker 1: gives them more license to do nonsensical stuff. And you
Speaker 1: think it's bad right now, it's the experts and I'm
Speaker 1: not one of them, talk about the midterm elections and
Speaker 1: now there's gonna be a big blue wave and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be hell to pay. And then that's gonna maybe
Speaker 1: translate to three years from now, which just seems like
Speaker 1: a held a lot of a long time. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be this big progressive backlash against conservatives. You think it's bad, now,
Speaker 1: imagine the imagine when another side, the other side, gets
Speaker 1: in power. They're gonna go, Okay, well, hold my beer.
Speaker 1: You thought you thought there's some egregiou stuff happening. Watch this,
Speaker 1: But I'll do the name of progressivism. And then in
Speaker 1: four years we'll do it all over again. It'll just
Speaker 1: get worse and worse and worse. Unless we stand up.
Speaker 1: We gotta listen. There's some immutable laws at play here,
Speaker 1: namely the constitution. Don't care if it's Donald don't care
Speaker 1: if it's Joe Biden. We absolutely can't allow that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Can things change? Can there be new evidence coming in
Speaker 1: that exonerates the cops. Sure, and I'm open to hearing that,
Speaker 1: But right now we got to go. If we go,
Speaker 1: If we waited until, you know, judges and juries decided things,
Speaker 1: it bede awfully boring world. We all armshare quarterback. That's
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now, and there's no harm in that.
Speaker 1: It's human nature. Let me get to John in Westwood
Speaker 1: on seven hundred. John, you're a retired cop. I am
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: What'd you see?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 13: I saw a criminal and interfering with the lawful arrest
Speaker 13: of an illegal alien, okay. And then I saw not
Speaker 13: only did he interfere, but he resisted arrest once he
Speaker 13: was told he was under arrest. And then I saw
Speaker 13: him fighting with the cops, fighting that legal arrest. And
Speaker 13: then during the course of the struggle, the cops shouted gun, gun, gun.
Speaker 13: Right now, if they took the gun off of him
Speaker 13: and the cops had it in his hand, there's no
Speaker 13: way in hell they would have shot him.
Speaker 2: So I have to disagree with they did.
Speaker 6: John.
Speaker 1: That's that's what the that's what the video shows. The
Speaker 1: video shows very clearly that the I.
Speaker 2: Think was the agent a video I did not see
Speaker 2: that I.
Speaker 1: Thought is the guy in gray had I think gray
Speaker 1: shirt sleeves on. He pulled the gun out, had it
Speaker 1: in his hand, and then the shots. Then then the
Speaker 1: shot gun in his hand. Scott, come on, No, the
Speaker 1: video shows the guy holding a gun in his hand
Speaker 1: that he took off the that's already in the timeline.
Speaker 13: It did not, And you're you're jumping to conclusions. And
Speaker 13: the other thing is this is in no way a
Speaker 13: Second Amendment issue.
Speaker 2: House. Sure, he had the right to have a.
Speaker 13: Gun anywhere he wants to go. You can't take him
Speaker 13: the or you know, bars and stuff like that if
Speaker 13: you drinking. But that that goes out the window when
Speaker 13: he interferes with lawns.
Speaker 5: He didn't.
Speaker 13: I don't know the window.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know where you're coming from on this,
Speaker 1: but it's very clear that you are. The constution prohibits
Speaker 1: officers from from shooting people merely for possessing a weapon
Speaker 1: when it's not an eminent threat. It wasn't an imminent threat.
Speaker 1: He didn't have it drawn, he wasn't reaching for it.
Speaker 1: They took the gun off him. What amendment says that,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry breaking up?
Speaker 4: What a.
Speaker 1: Second amendment? Fourth amendment, fourteenth amendment, a lot of amendments?
Speaker 1: Law enforcement is that you know him interfering is a felony.
Speaker 1: I believe in this particular case that's sorry. But two
Speaker 1: things can be right. He can be breaking the law
Speaker 1: by protesting, but law enforcement agers you shot him could
Speaker 1: also be breaking the law because this looks like a
Speaker 1: bad shoot. Well, it looks like a bad shoot, but
Speaker 1: we don't know all the facts. And for you to
Speaker 1: jump to conclusions and get people routed up, you're just
Speaker 1: playing into the handle of the.
Speaker 2: You're hold on a second, hold of the second.
Speaker 1: In your world, you wait until the til the case
Speaker 1: goes to court, till a jury. Here's in the judge's side.
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to talk about anything until that point.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying a.
Speaker 13: Lot of times that happens because if you talk about
Speaker 13: it, it coul jeopardize the case.
Speaker 1: You know that, No, no, no, no, I'm talking about the citizens.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people like me and you who have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Minnesota talking about this. You're saying,
Speaker 1: you you wait until the wait until it becomes history
Speaker 1: and not news to talk about things.
Speaker 13: No, no, no, no no, that's kind of what you're saying,
Speaker 13: that we can we can discuss it. We are you
Speaker 13: up to say that the cops did wrong?
Speaker 2: You don't know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on a second, did you not just minutes ago,
Speaker 1: tell me you said that he was interfering with the
Speaker 1: criminal investigation and he was resisting arrest. How do you
Speaker 1: know he was just saying, how do you know what
Speaker 1: he was saying to those officers. You don't know that
Speaker 1: anymore than I do. So you're doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: are you. Well, you're you're saying that the video shows
Speaker 1: the cop took the gun off of him, had it
Speaker 1: in his hand, and then he was shot.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That's not according to those who researchers who went through
Speaker 1: this frame by frame, and I watched it myself, that's
Speaker 1: what I saw. Now again, you're you're a welcome to
Speaker 1: your own opinion on this thing. But it's pretty clear
Speaker 1: that the officer had him taking the gun off of
Speaker 1: him and it was shot at the same time. You
Speaker 1: can't have it, but you can't also, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you saw five guys on top of one, what caused
Speaker 1: what caused him to be in such a situation where
Speaker 1: he'd be shot?
Speaker 6: For that?
Speaker 13: Scott, I'm afraid that when it all comes out, you're
Speaker 13: gonna find that you were wrong and you should issue
Speaker 13: and I will.
Speaker 2: And I'll say I will.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, John, if I'm right, I'll never
Speaker 1: hear from you again, will I No.
Speaker 13: No, no, I'm enjoying you will not.
Speaker 1: No no I'm saying is you won't call back and
Speaker 1: say you know what I was wrong about this?
Speaker 5: I will?
Speaker 1: Well, you will, okay, I will, all right, And I
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to do because it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: if there's more evidence coming out, let's see it. I'm fair,
Speaker 1: but I'm also a citizen and what I saw bothered
Speaker 1: the hell out of me. I didn't like it at all.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say that. But we have a
Speaker 1: lot of people to going, well, well, if the if
Speaker 1: and when, Okay, then Kyle Rittenhouse, Ashley Babbitt, what about that, Well,
Speaker 1: that's different.
Speaker 2: Now it's not really. You're allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to care a weapon on you. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: be shot for that unless you're brandishing it or about
Speaker 1: to reach work, which Cordnell the video in the timeline
Speaker 1: so far, which could change and there could be more evidence,
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be the case. We should all be
Speaker 1: outrage of that. And you know what if your pro
Speaker 1: Second Amendment, if you're how hard I guess I should
Speaker 1: have made How hard does that make your job if
Speaker 1: you're a cop, because you have federal agents that appear
Speaker 1: in my citizens perspective that have not have good tactics here,
Speaker 1: doesn't that make the local jobs, the local cops jobs harder.
Speaker 1: I think it does, because you know, people tend to
Speaker 1: I don't, but people tend to lump them all together, going, oh,
Speaker 1: you know a bunch of cops like that makes me hard.
Speaker 1: It makes harder for the Minnesota police or Cincinnati police
Speaker 1: to do their job.
Speaker 2: In my opinion. Yeah, we speculate, we talk, we armshare cords.
Speaker 2: That's life.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't speculate on the things that you
Speaker 1: want to speculate. And when someone brings up that goes
Speaker 1: against your already preconceived notions go, well, we shouldn't talk
Speaker 1: about it until yeah we should. We should because well,
Speaker 1: these are our rights. This is our country, after all,
Speaker 1: regardless of who you voted for, who you support SEC Amendment. Baby,
Speaker 1: I'm down you. We'll get to news and we'll switch
Speaker 1: it up here. Julie Hattersh're share mental Health Monday. Good
Speaker 1: time to do this next seven hundred WWD.
Speaker 8: Since Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after the cold and snow and ice and of
Speaker 1: course all the news, it feels like we need someone
Speaker 1: to talk a little mental health these days. And this
Speaker 1: is why you do it on Monday Mornings with Julie
Speaker 1: Hattershare with Beconnected dot Care here in Cincinnati. Welcome, Julie.
Speaker 1: How are you you're digging out? Are you just staying
Speaker 1: and waiting for the snow to melt?
Speaker 14: We dug our way out over the weekend. Yeah, shovel
Speaker 14: several times?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: How long did it take you?
Speaker 14: The first time we were out there for just under
Speaker 14: an hour, and the second and third times were less
Speaker 14: than that.
Speaker 5: There was a lot less snow to do after, you know.
Speaker 1: The great when a husband and a wife can do something.
Speaker 1: I have to together unlike me were.
Speaker 4: My bonding experience.
Speaker 2: But my knees, my knees.
Speaker 1: Oh well, oh, I've got to do everything. I'm exhausted, Julie.
Speaker 1: I need a vacation.
Speaker 2: I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I don't know how full time caregivers do it. I
Speaker 1: really don't between, you know, just trying to keep all
Speaker 1: the all the plates. But yeah, that's that's the way
Speaker 1: it is. But uh, all right, she's mending, and none
Speaker 1: too quickly, by the way.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's get these knees heeld and get on
Speaker 1: with your life, because I need I need what Julie
Speaker 1: has right now.
Speaker 2: It's a partnership. It's a partnership.
Speaker 5: Well, and I'm sure she feels that way too.
Speaker 14: I know, Michelle, she would not like to be down
Speaker 14: for the count for as long as she had with
Speaker 14: both of these knees.
Speaker 1: Because she's annoying when she's down and she can't do anything,
Speaker 1: and so it's even more frustrated that she can't and
Speaker 1: that it's more demand. It's a whole thing. So what
Speaker 1: you're saying is, Julie, I need to be more resilient.
Speaker 1: How do I be more resilient.
Speaker 14: You need to be more resilient. I'm saying you need
Speaker 14: to be more resilient. You need to bounce back better.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about resiliency. How does that work?
Speaker 14: Even Well, so we all know people who something bad
Speaker 14: happens to them and it really takes them down and
Speaker 14: they have a very hard time getting back up again.
Speaker 14: And we also all know people who's something really bad
Speaker 14: takes them down and they take a deep breath and
Speaker 14: they dust themselves off and they pop back up again
Speaker 14: and keep going. And those are the people who are
Speaker 14: who are skilled in being resilient, And those are the
Speaker 14: people that we're going to be talking about today and
Speaker 14: what makes them resilient and how we can be resilient
Speaker 14: because life is going to throw us curveballs, whether it's
Speaker 14: your health or economics. Life is going to throw you
Speaker 14: a curveball, and how you respond to it is.
Speaker 5: A mark of how resilient you are. So we're going
Speaker 5: to talk about what makes that happen.
Speaker 1: Well, let's do that, because I'm fascinated with this topic
Speaker 1: because it's about me. I think about you. I'm a survivor,
Speaker 1: I will I'm like a cockroach I'll find a way right.
Speaker 1: It may take me a long time, but I envy
Speaker 1: people who can go okay, shake it, Like you know,
Speaker 1: professional athletes, Well, they'll go okay, I a bad play,
Speaker 1: I'll come back and they wind up winning, as opposed
Speaker 1: to you know, mean, I hit a bad golf shot.
Speaker 1: I'm pissed off about that for the next three holes.
Speaker 1: I need to be more resilient. I tend to hold
Speaker 1: onto things, and I think that's part of my DNA.
Speaker 1: My folks are like that. I'm like and I've been
Speaker 1: trying to shake it for all these years. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm doing a good job or not.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 14: So you say your DNA is like that, and you're
Speaker 14: right that resilience is somewhat linked to your genetics. So
Speaker 14: some people are more resilient than other people. And some
Speaker 14: people are more resilient physically, like they just they bounce
Speaker 14: back from illness or injury better. Some people are more
Speaker 14: resilient mentally and emotionally they sort of regroup and get
Speaker 14: back on the horse better than others. But innately, though
Speaker 14: those may be your qualities, we all have the ability
Speaker 14: to increase our resilience and to increase our bounceability when
Speaker 14: things go wrong, and so you know, if you can,
Speaker 14: if you can hit a bad shot and it only
Speaker 14: takes you a whole and a half to get over it,
Speaker 14: that's better, right, So we can increase that to some degree.
Speaker 1: I've been golfer for like ten years. There stuff I
Speaker 1: still hold against myself from the first year I learned
Speaker 1: how to golf.
Speaker 2: Is that bad?
Speaker 3: That's really bad?
Speaker 2: A long line. I come from a long line of
Speaker 2: people hold on it.
Speaker 1: My mom, for example, when I would she would remind
Speaker 1: me of stuff I did when I was five years
Speaker 1: old that she still holds on to.
Speaker 14: Oh, my mother does the same thing. She'll say something
Speaker 14: to me and she'll say, you told me this, And
Speaker 14: I say, Mom, I was thirteen.
Speaker 5: That was a really long time.
Speaker 4: Hang on you.
Speaker 2: That's not resilient, is it. That's not being resilient.
Speaker 1: So positive attitude, optimism, able to regulate emotion, viewing failures, feedback,
Speaker 1: and not not a indictment on yourself. That that's essentially
Speaker 1: what resilient. And we can use a lot more resilience
Speaker 1: in this world, couldn't we.
Speaker 14: We could use a lot more resilience in this world.
Speaker 14: Part of it, too, is what you attribute the challenges too.
Speaker 14: So if you attribute then to things outside your control,
Speaker 14: that you are just unlucky, that there is nothing you
Speaker 14: can do about what happened to you and don't take
Speaker 14: ownership for your response to it. That tends to make
Speaker 14: you think more like a victim and tends to make
Speaker 14: you be less resilient. Whereas if you say some things
Speaker 14: are in my control, how I respond and how I
Speaker 14: behave some things are outside my control, the weather, for example,
Speaker 14: or what's going on politically in the world that is
Speaker 14: outside your ability to control.
Speaker 5: But you can control how you show up, how you.
Speaker 14: Think about it, what you do about it, what actions
Speaker 14: you take or don't take. If you focus the locust
Speaker 14: the focus of your control on you and what you
Speaker 14: can do versus the things that you can't control, that
Speaker 14: gives you more agency and tends to make you more resilient.
Speaker 14: So it's about looking at how you can show up,
Speaker 14: what you can influence your control, not focusing so much
Speaker 14: on the things that you can't. Because again, life is
Speaker 14: going to throw us all curveballs.
Speaker 1: Yeah you've got the curve balls are coming, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt about that, and you've got to learn how to
Speaker 1: let that roll off your back. But and I think
Speaker 1: you could be too resilient where you just let yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care about anything.
Speaker 2: There's an extreme on both sides of this whole thing.
Speaker 14: Trauma servisor sure that would be resilience, that that would
Speaker 14: be that would be apathy. No, I'm not sure that
Speaker 14: would be resilience. That would be apathy. That the concept
Speaker 14: of resilience is Okay, you are, you are impacted, and
Speaker 14: you overcome the not caring, the apathy.
Speaker 5: That's not resilience.
Speaker 14: That's something different, and it's not necessarily bad in every situation.
Speaker 5: It's just not quite what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Trauma survivors seem to be really good at this.
Speaker 14: Tr trauma survivors, well, trauma survivors are survivors.
Speaker 5: By by definition.
Speaker 14: They don't always thrive in the in the aftermath of
Speaker 14: the trauma though. And so there's this concept we've all
Speaker 14: heard of post traumatic stress disorder PTSD, but there's this
Speaker 14: concept in the psychological world of post traumatic growth, where
Speaker 14: the trauma happens and as a result of it we
Speaker 14: grow and learn and change in positive ways. So I
Speaker 14: saw this repeatedly when I was just out of grad
Speaker 14: school and working with cancer patients and their families as
Speaker 14: a counselor, and I would see time and time again
Speaker 14: that my clients would talk about the gifts that came
Speaker 14: with their cancer diagnosis, the deepening of relationships, the clarity
Speaker 14: of prioritizing their lives, the reorganizing of what mattered to them,
Speaker 14: the recognition that chasing money and fame and success didn't
Speaker 14: necessarily make them happy. What made them happy was their
Speaker 14: relationships and the meaningful things in their lives. And so
Speaker 14: when faced with this life threatening illness or life impacting illness,
Speaker 14: they very often would talk at some point point in
Speaker 14: time after they sort of got over the initial shock,
Speaker 14: about how it changed their world and changed their priorities
Speaker 14: for the better. You know, they knew who showed up
Speaker 14: for them and who didn't. They knew who was there
Speaker 14: for them and who wasn't. They knew what mattered to
Speaker 14: them and what didn't, and it helped them shift their
Speaker 14: thinking about the world. And they considered those the gifts
Speaker 14: that came with cancer. We would call that post traumatic growth.
Speaker 1: Okay, as opposed to postmatic stress, which you normally think about,
Speaker 1: all right, Julie, when it comes to the topic of
Speaker 1: resilience here, how do you how do you lean into it?
Speaker 2: How do you make yourself more resilient? What steps do
Speaker 2: you take?
Speaker 5: Well, First of.
Speaker 14: All, you can take some risks and recognize that they
Speaker 14: may not pay off, and going in knowing that they
Speaker 14: may not pay off. If they don't pay off, you
Speaker 14: can then figure out how to group after that, so
Speaker 14: you can control the risk, control the reaction, and learn
Speaker 14: to build your resilience as a results of that. And
Speaker 14: the more you put yourself into positions where you're walking
Speaker 14: on the edge of your case abilities in whatever situation
Speaker 14: that is, the more likely you are to stumble or
Speaker 14: fall or fail, and the more practice you can have
Speaker 14: in picking yourself back up and figuring it out again. Scientists,
Speaker 14: for example, often fail, and that's part of their process
Speaker 14: is they try this, it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: They try something else it doesn't work in some way
Speaker 5: to get to the.
Speaker 14: Right answer, and every time they fail they learn something new.
Speaker 5: So another thing.
Speaker 14: Is recognizing that failure is good information to have. If
Speaker 14: something doesn't work out, that's good information for you to
Speaker 14: have because now you know something that doesn't work, which
Speaker 14: allows you to do something different and perhaps better than
Speaker 14: next time, versus I failed. You can think, oh, I
Speaker 14: learned that this doesn't work. Let me try this instead.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, that makes sense, So you try. But again,
Speaker 1: you can't be risk averse. You have to lean into
Speaker 1: you guys. Hey, you know, I may learn something, it
Speaker 1: may work out, but I'll take something away. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially in this day and age
Speaker 1: Julie had to share, to look at any criticism and any
Speaker 1: failure is the worst thing in the world that we
Speaker 1: should be avoided at all costs. And when it comes
Speaker 1: out of criticism is how do you not take that personally?
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people in the world take
Speaker 1: criticism personal as a personal front as opposed to being
Speaker 1: constructive or you know, looking at help and am minutely
Speaker 1: you get defensive, going wow, how dare they belittle me?
Speaker 1: But that's not what's happening? What kind of character flaw
Speaker 1: is that? And how do you change that?
Speaker 14: Well, first of all, I would say that sometimes criticism
Speaker 14: is delivered as if it's personal, not you did that wrong,
Speaker 14: but you are wrong, Not you screwed that up, but you.
Speaker 5: Are a screw up. So sometimes criticism actually.
Speaker 14: Is delivered personally, And it makes sense then that we
Speaker 14: would take it that way. Sometimes it is delivered in
Speaker 14: a constructive, helpful, kind way, and we still.
Speaker 5: Are primed to take it that way.
Speaker 14: And people who are resilient, it's not that they don't
Speaker 14: take it personally.
Speaker 5: It's not that they don't feel the sting.
Speaker 14: It's that they recognize even if it is, there's something
Speaker 14: they can learn from it. They can grow, they can change.
Speaker 14: It's good information to have. So after it stings, after
Speaker 14: they say that coach that hurt, then they say, okay,
Speaker 14: what if this is true and valid and applicable, what
Speaker 14: can I learn from it? How can I grow? And
Speaker 14: is there anything that I can do better or different
Speaker 14: next time to prevent this from happening. So it's not
Speaker 14: that it doesn't sting, it's that they don't stay with
Speaker 14: the sting. They move past that into growth, change, knowledge, information,
Speaker 14: and understanding.
Speaker 1: Gotcha as opposed to shutting down and going to a
Speaker 1: shell because you feel like you've been affronted, Which is true.
Speaker 1: I mean we've you know, we live in a society
Speaker 1: day where we've kind of poisoned our kids against any
Speaker 1: criticism as a direct attack on who we are and
Speaker 1: our psyche and of course any any type of risk
Speaker 1: or any type of failure is to be avoided at
Speaker 1: all costs. It seems we probably are less resilient than
Speaker 1: as a result of that, than more resilient these days.
Speaker 14: Absolutely, And I'm glad you brought up children, because I
Speaker 14: think that resilience is something that our youth today are
Speaker 14: severely lacking. And partly that's her parents' fault. Partly that's
Speaker 14: because parents have paved the way, snow plowed, helicoptered, managed
Speaker 14: their children's lives to ensure success and not allowed them
Speaker 14: to have the experience of turning in an assignment laid
Speaker 14: and getting a failing grade, or doing something halfway and
Speaker 14: getting a lower grade than they need, or pushing themselves
Speaker 14: to try out for a higher level sports team and
Speaker 14: not making it. And when that happens, they don't learn
Speaker 14: how to overcome, how to regroup, how to learn the
Speaker 14: lessons that they need to learn as children and young people.
Speaker 14: When they've got a lot of safeguards and a lot
Speaker 14: of safety nets in place. Oftentimes then they hit their
Speaker 14: first real failure in their twenties or their thirties, and
Speaker 14: they're completely undone because it hasn't happened to them before,
Speaker 14: and they don't know what to.
Speaker 5: Do, all right, They don't know how to regroup.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Before we go wrap it all up, joining talk about
Speaker 1: resilience and how to be more resilient or life, what.
Speaker 6: Do you do?
Speaker 14: Put yourself in situations where you can take some calculated
Speaker 14: risks and if it doesn't go well, figure out what
Speaker 14: you need to learn from that to move on. So
Speaker 14: practice being resilient, Feel the sting of a criticism or
Speaker 14: a failure, and then figure out what you can do
Speaker 14: differently next time to.
Speaker 5: Help prevent it. Try to focus.
Speaker 14: On keeping what you can control and influence within you
Speaker 14: and not worrying so much about the things you can't
Speaker 14: control or influence. You can't control what happens to you,
Speaker 14: but you can control how you respond to it, what
Speaker 14: meaning you make of it, and what you do with.
Speaker 5: It in the future.
Speaker 1: Easier said than done, Julie, that's the nature of your job.
Speaker 1: You're just easier said than done.
Speaker 5: It's easy for me to say, people just figure out
Speaker 5: how to apply it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it all right.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get to news in about five minutes
Speaker 1: here on seven hundred WLW on this day of days
Speaker 1: where we have what's going on Minnesota kind of exhausted
Speaker 1: that in the first hour of the show. Make sure
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. I had a great guest done
Speaker 1: at nine about this from the Police Foundation, Betsy Brentnor
Speaker 1: Smith from the National Police Association. Disagreed with her. We
Speaker 1: had different takes on this whole thing of what I
Speaker 1: saw I had a huge problem with. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about that in the coming days because
Speaker 1: this story is not going of course, the biggest story
Speaker 1: local to us would be the weather. Had that huge
Speaker 1: snowstorm move through. Hopefully you're digging out or have digged
Speaker 1: out already, doug dugged out, dugged out, digging whatever, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Hopefully you cleared your driveway. Let's
Speaker 1: put it that way. Now, we got to face bitter cold,
Speaker 1: full forecast, traffic, all that on the way and when
Speaker 1: to return on the show, Speaking of which we'll talk electricity,
Speaker 1: namely the one million people of our power after this storm.
Speaker 1: Is that a sign of things to come? With the
Speaker 1: grid the way it is right now? We'll talk energy
Speaker 1: with David Holt next Home of the Red seven hundred
Speaker 1: w WT since that this is why everything shut down
Speaker 1: level through snow emergencies and alike, and that brings us
Speaker 1: up too, is the aftermath of this. So we had
Speaker 1: over one million without power in the region. Kentucky one
Speaker 1: of those eleven states hit by snow and ice taking
Speaker 1: out lines. Nashville, just south of US had a record
Speaker 1: breaking event with almost a quarter million homes without electricity
Speaker 1: and that continues in through today. And of course we've
Speaker 1: had this competition many times. Experts say it's failing infrastructure.
Speaker 1: You're you know, as the result of that, you're gonna
Speaker 1: see more widespread outages during snow, ice and wind events,
Speaker 1: and we're going to power is going to fall easier
Speaker 1: than it has in the past, according to the experts.
Speaker 1: One of those is David Hole he's the president of
Speaker 1: the Consumer Energy Alliance, joined on the show this morning
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW David House Today, find you, you know,
Speaker 1: warm and safet.
Speaker 8: Hopefully that's the majority of your listeners as well.
Speaker 2: Good you're down? Are you in Texas?
Speaker 15: I am?
Speaker 6: You am?
Speaker 1: How did the power because last time, remember we had
Speaker 1: that ice event and it was an unmitigated disaster, literally
Speaker 1: had the disaster because so many people without power. How
Speaker 1: do y'all do this time?
Speaker 8: So, so far, so good. It's you know, a few
Speaker 8: scattered power outages, mostly from you know, down trees and
Speaker 8: things like that. But for the most part, Texas is
Speaker 8: I guess weathering the storm pretty well good. Today will
Speaker 8: be the coldest day for us. But I think so
Speaker 8: far so good. Fingers crossed prayers for everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think it's not unexpected at all when you
Speaker 1: have an event like this as wide and big and
Speaker 1: deep and awful as the storm was over the weekend. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: is over the weekend too. I'll point out you're almost
Speaker 1: going to have power.
Speaker 2: Edgers and the like. But are you surprised? Is it?
Speaker 5: Is? It?
Speaker 2: Too little?
Speaker 6: Is about?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean a million homes and not only that, especially
Speaker 1: what happened in Nashville. Is that indication this is a
Speaker 1: it's been a problem with our power greater or is
Speaker 1: this just simply what they expected because of the bad weather.
Speaker 8: You know, you know, these extreme weather events like this,
Speaker 8: you know, a tornado, hurricane, extreme cold, extreme heat, they're
Speaker 8: always they just said that the big esters of the grid,
Speaker 8: of our our power mixture. For the most part, Scott,
Speaker 8: I think the nation is showing, uh, pretty good resiliency
Speaker 8: of the grid, pretty good resiliency for power.
Speaker 6: There are power outages.
Speaker 8: Around, Uh, there has been a little bit of a
Speaker 8: loss of loss of life.
Speaker 6: I don't want to understate all this, but.
Speaker 8: From what we've seen in the past so far, it's
Speaker 8: better than it's been other years other times that's shown
Speaker 8: good resiliency. That shows the grid operators all across the country,
Speaker 8: you know, saw this storm coming prepared. Did we learned
Speaker 8: lessons from other weather events that we've already had, uh
Speaker 8: in previous years. So for the most part, you know,
Speaker 8: in a national generalization statement, it it hadn't been too bad.
Speaker 2: All right, So we did pretty good.
Speaker 1: And yet experts, maybe not yourself, but others in the
Speaker 1: field say hey, listen, yeah, we're we're at a tipping
Speaker 1: point here.
Speaker 2: We can drill, baby, drill. We can extrue.
Speaker 1: We can get all this energy out of the ground,
Speaker 1: but we still have to put it in a plant
Speaker 1: to convert it to usable energy. And then we've got
Speaker 1: to get that from the plant to homes and businesses
Speaker 1: and hospitals and retirement homes and nursers and all that
Speaker 1: stuff as well.
Speaker 2: And that's where the disconnect is. People. Here's you go.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, we just had a big storm, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest ever. And yeah, some people are a powero
Speaker 1: gunning back online. But no big deal, so we kick
Speaker 1: the can down the road?
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 2: Why is that? What's happening here?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 8: I'm one of those guys that keeps saying we have
Speaker 8: to do more, and I think we have more time
Speaker 8: in this storm. It's not over yet, but so far,
Speaker 8: so good. But don't let that. Let us rest on
Speaker 8: our laurels. We are way behind, and grid development way
Speaker 8: behind and expanding our transmission. Some states have gotten I
Speaker 8: balanced with too much renewable energy and not enough always
Speaker 8: available natural gas and dispatchable base load power. We still
Speaker 8: need to have some serious conversation among all the states
Speaker 8: and develop more nuclear power. What we're going to see
Speaker 8: over the next three to fifteen years. Scott is unprecedented
Speaker 8: in US history with new demand for electricity and for
Speaker 8: power for data centers. Industrial development across the country is
Speaker 8: really also quite expanding quite a bit.
Speaker 6: We also have more natural gas.
Speaker 8: For LNG and other global applications. So all these things
Speaker 8: mean we need more pipelines, We need more transmission lines,
Speaker 8: We need to develop more of our own natural resources.
Speaker 8: We need to get more serious about natural gas. Demand
Speaker 8: is going up. The strains on the grid are real,
Speaker 8: and states, local and federal policy makers all need to
Speaker 8: get serious about it. We're also scott still seeing a
Speaker 8: lot of protesting and nay saying and opposition to developing
Speaker 8: pipelines and transmission and other energy projects around the country.
Speaker 8: We really got to get to a place where citizens
Speaker 8: have their say.
Speaker 6: We want everyone to have their input.
Speaker 8: But we need to be as a society able to
Speaker 8: make decisions and build out this infrastructure relatively quickly at
Speaker 8: this point because we are behind so states, the local
Speaker 8: communities need to weigh in, but we need to build it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had this Duke pipeline fight not long ago
Speaker 1: here in the Cincinnati area residents, and now I get it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, oh, we don't need this in
Speaker 2: our schools and our homes and like.
Speaker 1: And not only that, the pipeline's not even coming to Sency,
Speaker 1: it's going somewhere else. Well, yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 1: It's a pipeline.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I wonder if somebody said, hey, listen, I don't want
Speaker 1: the pipeline coming through our neighborhood because well, let's going
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. I don't live in Cincinnati. I live in
Speaker 1: Iowa or whatever. It's well, yeah, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a network, and it's far cheaper and
Speaker 1: easier and safer, generally speaking, to transfer stuffvia pipeline than
Speaker 1: it is on trucks and freight. It's also better for
Speaker 1: the environment for that matter. But you know, we want
Speaker 1: to use it, we don't want it. It's the same
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, David Holt, president of consc Our
Speaker 1: Energy Alliance, the ongoing demand for data in AI. You know,
Speaker 1: here in Ohio we are I think we're number top five,
Speaker 1: uh for new data centers in AI, and they're putting
Speaker 1: more in. I think we've got a battle here locally
Speaker 1: over three or four I believe, uh, facilities where neighbors
Speaker 1: are questioning, and it has to do with a couple
Speaker 1: of things. One of them is water and the amount
Speaker 1: of water that they need to cool things. But also
Speaker 1: it's a tremendous amount of energy and resources these things
Speaker 1: take up, and that that's straining our system here to
Speaker 1: the point where, well, you know, people are out there
Speaker 1: fighting it, but I don't know if they're going to
Speaker 1: wind up changing anyone's mind. At some point they're going
Speaker 1: to go in uh And and the amount of power
Speaker 1: that these things need is an incredible amount. We're still
Speaker 1: getting them from larger the same the same source, the
Speaker 1: same power plants aren't and that's the problem.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we are, and we need to expand some of those.
Speaker 8: We need to build out new power plants. Some of
Speaker 8: these data centers are looking at their own power that's
Speaker 8: kind of not on the grid, maybe loosely connected to
Speaker 8: the grid. All these things are moving very quickly, you know.
Speaker 8: One of the things I do I am a little
Speaker 8: concerned about. We have a lot of federal leadership in
Speaker 8: this area. We have a lot of state leadership in
Speaker 8: Ohio and other states on data centers, but that conversation
Speaker 8: at the local level about what the benefits are, the
Speaker 8: tax benefits, the long term job implications, what it means
Speaker 8: to the United States, all those things.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 8: I think industry and governments and policymakers could probably do
Speaker 8: a better job of explaining some of this to local
Speaker 8: communities and let them know what the benefits are for them.
Speaker 8: And so that's something that needs to occur, needs to
Speaker 8: occur quickly. Everyone kind of needs to get on the
Speaker 8: same page because we don't have a choice. We really
Speaker 8: don't as a nation, we do not have a choice.
Speaker 8: We absolutely have to expand our power generation and our
Speaker 8: infrastructure in order to get that power where it needs
Speaker 8: to be, or days like today and yesterday and tomorrow
Speaker 8: might not be as good stories next time through as
Speaker 8: they were hopefully as times well.
Speaker 1: Additionally, where it's really hitting is at our wallets. You know,
Speaker 1: weren't a really bad cold snap again here in our
Speaker 1: area as we speak right now with all the snow
Speaker 1: behind us. Now we get bitterly cold temperatures way till
Speaker 1: that Duke bill comes, will that energy bill comes, people
Speaker 1: lose their minds because it is so high and rightly so,
Speaker 1: that is all because of what we're talking about here.
Speaker 6: Absolutely right, absolutely right.
Speaker 8: Affordability, energy affordability and reliability, which to really talking about
Speaker 8: both of them, and we're what we've actually seen, Scott,
Speaker 8: is that there's a big difference between you know, I
Speaker 8: hate to put politics on this, but there's a big
Speaker 8: difference between how the Red states and the Blue states
Speaker 8: have handled their energy policy over the last you know,
Speaker 8: ten to fifteen years and on. By and large, we're
Speaker 8: seeing Blue states California and New York, Massachusetts, Illinois are
Speaker 8: paying more for energy than Red states Ohio, Texas, and others.
Speaker 8: Those states that have adopted a kind of balance all
Speaker 8: the above approach, making sure that we're cheaping up as
Speaker 8: best we can with grid expansion and natural gas pipeline expansion,
Speaker 8: things like that, those states are seeing their customers paying
Speaker 8: left for energy than some of those.
Speaker 6: Big blue states that have adopted kind.
Speaker 8: Of you know, draconian mandate restrictions ban certain forms of energy,
Speaker 8: you know, kind of picked winners and losers. Uh, those
Speaker 8: states are finding that their energy is more expensive. So
Speaker 8: that's a that's an interesting development we're seeing. And we're
Speaker 8: also seeing some of those blue states start to correct
Speaker 8: their uh, their their their their pathways here a little
Speaker 8: bit and add natural gas back to mix and make
Speaker 8: sure they have enough.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1: As much as the Blue skates States scream about diversity,
Speaker 1: they they don't have it when it comes to energy.
Speaker 8: That's that's correct, and we really need diverse energy is
Speaker 8: really showing itself to be uh, the path.
Speaker 6: Forward for us.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever works for you. On that note too, This
Speaker 1: always is a head scratcher to me. Is everywhere else
Speaker 1: in the United States. You know, it's electric, it's natural gas.
Speaker 1: New England is still i think dependent on like a
Speaker 1: third of them still oil fire jit power generating people
Speaker 1: like still doing heating oil. What is it about the
Speaker 1: Northeast and heating oil?
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's just kind of a vestiage of
Speaker 8: a day gone by. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 8: those heating oil tanks that are still attached to homes
Speaker 8: all over the Northeast that that you know, they go
Speaker 8: and they fill up their their big tank with heating
Speaker 8: oil once a month or once a quarter.
Speaker 6: Uh. And that's that's the system.
Speaker 8: Like, I think it's a old less than a third
Speaker 8: now it is declining as new homes are being built,
Speaker 8: but some of those older homes are still using that
Speaker 8: heating oil.
Speaker 6: Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because the house at my son and
Speaker 1: my daughter now rents, and initially when we bought it,
Speaker 1: this is where my workshop is, about a mile from
Speaker 1: my house. It's all good, but it had heating oil. Like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, we'll give this guts kind of whole school
Speaker 1: at the tank in the basement, had that bad boy
Speaker 1: filled up one winner and said nope, we're I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: There's no natural gas there, but we're gonna use electric
Speaker 1: because it's even electric as expensive is is still cheaper
Speaker 1: than heating oil.
Speaker 6: I think that's one of the cases. And you know
Speaker 6: it's yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 8: Harder to move around, it is more expensive to really
Speaker 8: hit that pocket look at one time, you know, and
Speaker 8: you want to balance out some of the environmental considerations
Speaker 8: and other things. So it's it's one of those things
Speaker 8: that's slowly, I think, being transitioned out. But you know,
Speaker 8: several million folks still use it.
Speaker 1: I suppose maybe you live somewhere in the rural areas
Speaker 1: where you don't do that, that'd be the way to go,
Speaker 1: I guess, But you know, most of us are kind
Speaker 1: of on the grid. Right now he's David Hole, President
Speaker 1: of the Consumer Energy Aligance. With the big storm and
Speaker 1: now the big cold coming, we're talking about the stress
Speaker 1: on our power good at this point I've mentioned the
Speaker 1: other guests, maybe yourself. It doesn't seem like we're going
Speaker 1: to have a I don't know, like a moon shot
Speaker 1: type of thing like Kennedy did in the nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: to get a man on the moon, and we're going
Speaker 1: to are pushed for, you know, the COVID vaccine right away.
Speaker 1: We got to get our best minds on things. It
Speaker 1: seems like we're waiting for some sort of either climate
Speaker 1: or energy nine to eleven to occur, some sort of
Speaker 1: major outage catastrophe before we do anything in this country. Well,
Speaker 1: we solve this problem before it comes to that.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think the interesting thing is that
Speaker 8: the president and this administration did declare a national energy
Speaker 8: emergency on day one when they took office. So there's
Speaker 8: already kind of I think a recognition that listen, we
Speaker 8: need this country runs on energy. Let's get at the time,
Speaker 8: we had high inflation, we had a very high gasoline prices,
Speaker 8: we had a higher energy prices. When the president this
Speaker 8: administrations of office. So they've really worked at removing some
Speaker 8: regulatory red tape, getting development going again, starting to get
Speaker 8: the infrastructure situation under control.
Speaker 6: But more needs to be done.
Speaker 8: There's a lot more state authority over this needs to
Speaker 8: stay needed to get serious about it.
Speaker 6: And yes, I.
Speaker 8: Certainly see a situation where we can find ourselves well
Speaker 8: behind the curve. We kind of already are scott Yeah,
Speaker 8: but we don't want to get in a situation where
Speaker 8: it's a dire emergency and you have forced brownouts, force
Speaker 8: blackouts and these extreme weather that's just because policy and
Speaker 8: development is not keeping up with the need. And that's
Speaker 8: very much a situation we can find ourselves in if
Speaker 8: our political leadership doesn't just kind of figure out ways
Speaker 8: to get rid of the red tape, get out of
Speaker 8: the way, let development occur, let energy resources come online,
Speaker 8: making sure that we're able to meet this basic demand,
Speaker 8: which is unprecedented. It's unprecedented in our history. So we
Speaker 8: are we are in a situation where, like you said,
Speaker 8: we need to make sure we're paying attention to this
Speaker 8: and we don't let it become this dire emergency. And
Speaker 8: sometimes this nation, our political leadership seems to function in
Speaker 8: an emergency.
Speaker 6: I certainly hope that doesn't have.
Speaker 1: A crisis management. But yeah, what are the areas that
Speaker 1: we went heard in some while? Like California is known
Speaker 1: for the rolling brownouts because the grid, hey we go,
Speaker 1: We're gonna turn your electricity down. Haven't heard that much
Speaker 1: lately about that. Is that because they've changed it, or
Speaker 1: is it simply not news anymore? What's going on there?
Speaker 8: You know, they've done some things to improve their grid.
Speaker 8: They had some situations where they for so called environmental reasons,
Speaker 8: they weren't clear cutting some trees around power lines and
Speaker 8: things like that, so that was creating somep some fires
Speaker 8: with power lines, and that then forced some rolling brownouts
Speaker 8: and blackouts.
Speaker 6: We haven't heard it.
Speaker 8: We certainly, knock on Wood have not heard that situation
Speaker 8: during this storm. But the prospects are real. The strain
Speaker 8: on grids in the Northeast in New York and the Pjam,
Speaker 8: which is kind of the mid Atlantic Midwest area, parts
Speaker 8: of Ohio, Urcott Handles, Texas. All these grid managers are
Speaker 8: crying for help, crying about the strain on the grid,
Speaker 8: crying about more needs, more needs and limited demand, our
Speaker 8: limited supply and capacity also has an impact on that
Speaker 8: price situation, particularly in some of the states that have
Speaker 8: not been as thoughtful in their interview qualify together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the generation is one thing, but the transmission that's
Speaker 1: a hard part, right is getting it from point A
Speaker 1: to point B. You mentioned pipelines, but also utility lines
Speaker 1: for that matter. Overhead underground wires has to do with
Speaker 1: going across land and eminent domain, which people fight against
Speaker 1: them like. It takes a long time to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day you could just string
Speaker 1: string lines up all over the place, and there's easements
Speaker 1: of course built in as well. That's also part of
Speaker 1: the problem too, is getting new networks up and getting
Speaker 1: new wires in the sky, so to speak.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, and what you know, there's there's a pretty
Speaker 8: robust pipeline and transmission line system in this country. I
Speaker 8: think we have about five million miles of pipelines in
Speaker 8: the country just for natural gas alone, non including oil, gasoline, diesel,
Speaker 8: some of the other pipeline. So a lot of these
Speaker 8: areas already have rights of way, and you can expand
Speaker 8: on those current rights away or ad transmission to an
Speaker 8: already existing pipeline right away. So a lot of that is,
Speaker 8: you know, in play. But yet you still have these groups,
Speaker 8: these you know, professional agitators out there that protests energy development,
Speaker 8: protests kind of any sort of industrial development, and and
Speaker 8: that needs to end the days of the professional protester
Speaker 8: where they're just out creating fear, creating obstacles, creating situations
Speaker 8: where we're going to have limited supply or higher prices.
Speaker 8: We've got to get past that and kind of call
Speaker 8: out these groups for what they are while at the
Speaker 8: same time listening to legitimate concerns of local citizens and communities.
Speaker 6: You know, that's balid.
Speaker 1: We're doing that now with the AI and data centers.
Speaker 1: Listen to the local community going hey, we're worried about
Speaker 1: our ground water and running out of water and put
Speaker 1: natural resources and they stress and strain, and those are
Speaker 1: legitimate if they're going to put it in your community,
Speaker 1: be for sure. But we all demand these things. I
Speaker 1: guess that's the NIMBI part.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of funny the environmental protesters, as you
Speaker 1: mentioned out there, they're grandparents are the ones who fought
Speaker 1: against nuclear and now these people, now this generation is
Speaker 1: saying what about nuclear. It's well, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: quit fighting on's lean into this stuff?
Speaker 6: Shall we exactly?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 8: The funny thing is it's not your grandfather's nuclear industry
Speaker 8: or either it's it's very different. These things called small
Speaker 8: modular actors. It's part of a whole advanced technology, uh
Speaker 8: nuclear industry. That's that's that that doesn't really create any weight.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 8: If they're they're they're modular, they're smaller. You can stack
Speaker 8: them next to each other to kind of build out
Speaker 8: more capacity.
Speaker 6: UH.
Speaker 8: Really interesting fascinating technology now and a lot.
Speaker 6: Of states, a lot of local communities.
Speaker 8: You're looking at it, you know, and it's clean, it's
Speaker 8: always available, what to build it out, uh.
Speaker 6: To be around for a long time.
Speaker 8: It's one of those things that we're we're gonna need
Speaker 8: because it's a dispatchable base load power like natural gas,
Speaker 8: so it's not intermittent like wind and solar. Wind and
Speaker 8: so over have good application pticularly solar, but you've got
Speaker 8: to have that baseload power, which is going to come
Speaker 8: largely from natural gas and pretty soon here nuclear.
Speaker 1: And one hundred years will go on Amazon and buy
Speaker 1: a shoebox size and a replacement cartridge for your whole
Speaker 1: home power. You'll swap out the other one, send it
Speaker 1: in and it'll be in its own little million nuclear
Speaker 1: plant inside your own home, or at least in your
Speaker 1: own community. It seems like it's going to go and
Speaker 1: should go that way.
Speaker 8: We're heading the days of the flex capacitor. Capacitor, absolutely capacitor.
Speaker 1: If you get a doloreate, you get a Dolorian, and
Speaker 1: you get a doloren. He is David Holds, Consumer Energy Aligned.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, always appreciate the insight.
Speaker 2: Be well.
Speaker 6: Got YouTube they say, stay warm, talk soon.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, David, thanks again, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Let me get a news update in here momentarily on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW whin or return James Repeat is here.
Speaker 1: We'll talk little championship weekend action. The Super bo Bowl
Speaker 1: matchup is set. The second game was very very exciting
Speaker 1: first get me somewhat exciting as well despite the you know,
Speaker 1: the weather moving in too as well. But it is
Speaker 1: New England at Seattle and Rapine from Bengals Talk dot com.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that matchup next seven hundred.
Speaker 2: W WELW.
Speaker 1: And of course digging out as we speak. And yesterday
Speaker 1: was a great day with the big store moving in
Speaker 1: to watch some flip. That was a perfect day yesterday,
Speaker 1: No excuse to go outside, you know, get you a bullet,
Speaker 1: ships or whatever.
Speaker 2: Your jam is.
Speaker 1: Made some sauce yesterday Littlefi's macaroni perfect and watched the
Speaker 1: two games. And now we're down to the Super bowls
Speaker 1: New England and Seattle. James Rapeena is here from SI
Speaker 1: Bengals Talk and Locked on Bengals Podcast. Bengals not in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but there's hope for next year. We
Speaker 1: shall see. It's New England and its Seattle. James, welcome,
Speaker 1: hy Ben.
Speaker 6: I'd been great.
Speaker 15: It's got a little snowed in, but you're right, yesterday
Speaker 15: it was a great day for football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no excuse to guy like what I'm gonna do?
Speaker 1: I I said around watch football. Damn I hate my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was absolutely awesome. And you know,
Speaker 1: between bouts and shoveling, Yeah.
Speaker 15: I want some more games today.
Speaker 5: The way you're.
Speaker 1: Saying, I know, I know, it's like there's something to watch.
Speaker 1: This is this is wonderful. It's nirvana. Let's jump into
Speaker 1: that first game there. New England beats Denver on the
Speaker 1: road ten to seven in what turned into a blizzard
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. I've never seen that much snow
Speaker 1: come down that quickly in an NFL game.
Speaker 15: I can't believe how quickly did that changed. And I
Speaker 15: tweeted something in the second quarter and and mentioned, man,
Speaker 15: why is it colder in Cincinnati? And why did it
Speaker 15: feel and look colder in Cincinnati than it doesn't in Colorado? Yep,
Speaker 15: like this shouldn't be the case, right, And then by
Speaker 15: the fourth quarter, it's like the winter gods saw my
Speaker 15: tweet and said, oh, you think it's colder there, and
Speaker 15: snow started coming down.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 15: I thought it was a really cool way for the game.
Speaker 15: Go of all, think that might have been the most
Speaker 15: interesting thing about the game. No one scored essentially in
Speaker 15: the entire second half. It was pretty boring from a
Speaker 15: scoring perspective, but entertaining, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and two teams that are used to dealing with
Speaker 1: the snow, especially in New England, they thought right at
Speaker 1: home in this whole thing. And yeah, the weather did
Speaker 1: change things. The kicking game, for example, really really changed
Speaker 1: the outcome of this whole thing. But you look at
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots managing just four first downs, and
Speaker 1: I think seventy two yards. In the first half, they've
Speaker 1: kept punning, they missed the field goal, it was off.
Speaker 1: He thought, man, they're going to get trucked by Denver
Speaker 1: and that did not happen. What happened in the second half.
Speaker 1: How did the Patriots turn it around?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 15: I think a big thing that has sort of gone
Speaker 15: into the radar. I guess with New England and might
Speaker 15: going into Super Bowl sixty, their defense is real and
Speaker 15: that's where it starts. I mean, they can win these
Speaker 15: smash mout ugly games and if that's how they have
Speaker 15: to play, they can play it. And a guy that's
Speaker 15: looking back at previous Bengals drafts will be would look
Speaker 15: really good in stripes. And instead the Bengals traded down
Speaker 15: with the Patriots in twenty twenty one when Christian Barmore
Speaker 15: was on the board in the second round. But he's
Speaker 15: a really good defensive tackle, and I think that day
Speaker 15: is they're like, Okay, well this is going to be
Speaker 15: an ugly game. The weather's change, and what we need
Speaker 15: to do is take care of the football with our
Speaker 15: young quarterback and we'll win ugly. And I do wonder
Speaker 15: what it would have looked like if bo Nicks were
Speaker 15: able to play for Denver. But this Patriots defense, now
Speaker 15: for two weeks in a row, has done its job,
Speaker 15: and what it's done is then allowed or allowed as
Speaker 15: Drake May to play as these things as you can
Speaker 15: when you're on the road and you're trying to squeak
Speaker 15: out a victory and they only put up ten points,
Speaker 15: but it was enough, and I think the de defense
Speaker 15: deserves a ton of credit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and May what eighty six yards passing and that
Speaker 1: that weather, but sixty eight yards rushing that touchdown? You
Speaker 1: see that we were in that seven uh about seven
Speaker 1: yards when he needed five first down and they sealed
Speaker 1: the game at that point too. He won that game
Speaker 1: on his legs was all it was. As much the passing,
Speaker 1: it was him running well.
Speaker 15: And that's it is when I mentioned the decision making,
Speaker 15: he's making really good decisions and not forcing it and
Speaker 15: not feeling like he needed to put on the superhero cape.
Speaker 15: And the reason he felt that way, I think it's
Speaker 15: just how this team is built and how they they're
Speaker 15: they're able to play, and that's that's the heck of
Speaker 15: the thing for a young quarterback, because he is capable
Speaker 15: and we've seen it. I think he's going to be
Speaker 15: second in m VP. Maybe he wins it, but he
Speaker 15: is capable of winning these shootouts and putting up huge
Speaker 15: points in numbers and back and forth games. It wasn't
Speaker 15: that wasn't to be that type of game, and so
Speaker 15: they play the other way and they're capable of winning
Speaker 15: that way as well. But you're right, he made some
Speaker 15: good decisions, some big first downs that he puts up
Speaker 15: down the sheds to feel the victory.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Boenix breaks his ankle in the last game against the Bills,
Speaker 1: gonna last play. They put Jared Stidham in at quarterback
Speaker 1: and they were building him to say, no, he's our guy.
Speaker 1: He's going to be great. He's going to be great.
Speaker 1: He's the future. He's going to be great. Looked really,
Speaker 1: really good. I think he started oh for three, but
Speaker 1: then that past the Mims fifty two year bomb down
Speaker 1: the middle, he hits Courtland Sutland on the score, Denver's up.
Speaker 1: The New England Pagers look into fishing like wow, the
Speaker 1: backup may go and wind up playing in a super
Speaker 1: Bowl at this point not to be, because he had
Speaker 1: that backwards pass and a turnover, laid eye and tea
Speaker 1: and this is why you're the backup. And it's also
Speaker 1: you know, again, he may be great at some point
Speaker 1: in the future, but you just can't throw a guy
Speaker 1: in with no reps in the season and expect him
Speaker 1: to beat a team that's fighting for Super Bowl birth.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think. I also think yesterday is why Sean
Speaker 15: Payton has struggled in the playoffs. Yeah, and that's what
Speaker 15: he that's what he's done.
Speaker 5: Like this idea.
Speaker 15: There are a lot of people today and you're didn't
Speaker 15: ask me about the Steelers, okay, that are laughing at
Speaker 15: Mike McCarthy in that fience. Mike McCarthy's been just as
Speaker 15: good as the playoffs as John Payton likes. This idea
Speaker 15: that Sean Payton, who they had a chance to go
Speaker 15: up ten nothing, they don't kick the field goal. There
Speaker 15: felt like a mistake in the moment. It felt like
Speaker 15: they were kind of scratching and calling to get down
Speaker 15: the field where you get a two yard scramble and
Speaker 15: then a quick outpass and it's third down. You don't
Speaker 15: get it because your quarterback comes up short take the
Speaker 15: points and he didn't take the point. And I think
Speaker 15: that's where the momentum of that game changed. If it
Speaker 15: was ten to nothing at that point, it would have
Speaker 15: felt a bit different than that New England defense that
Speaker 15: I mentioned made a few plays and it was like,
Speaker 15: all right, well, where's our offense going to come from?
Speaker 15: And I know they had the missfield goal in the
Speaker 15: fourth quarter. I get that, by the way, whether it
Speaker 15: was an issue, but it doesn't matter. I think winning
Speaker 15: coaches make winning decisions. And maybe Sean Payton needs to
Speaker 15: look in the mirror a little bit because I was
Speaker 15: just thinking back through his Saints days and he had
Speaker 15: a lot of heartbreaking playoff losses and they were in
Speaker 15: position yesterday to beat New England with Jarret Sidham, and
Speaker 15: I think the head coach needed to be a good better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So when New England advances to the Super Bowl to
Speaker 1: face the Seahawks in the late game, who beat the
Speaker 1: Rams thirty one, twenty seven and third meeting the camp,
Speaker 1: it's been it's been at that season, right, third time
Speaker 1: they met this season and Rams felt Seattle in the
Speaker 1: week sixteen, they lost the number one seed in the NFC.
Speaker 1: They fire their special teams coordinator Sean McVay makes the
Speaker 1: movie says well, you know what, We've got to fix
Speaker 1: this problem. We need to fix it right now heading
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. But of course yesterday it was Xavier
Speaker 1: Smith's muff punt early in the third quarter led to
Speaker 1: that Seahawks touchdown. They went up twenty four to thirteen,
Speaker 1: I believe at that point and never looked back. So
Speaker 1: it did come down with special teams after all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it did.
Speaker 15: And that's it's wild to me that we keep having
Speaker 15: these conversations with about the Rams and man for me,
Speaker 15: from my money to envy quarterback in Matt Stafford, Yvanta Adams,
Speaker 15: Kuka Nukua, Kobe Parkinson making plays, multiple running backs making
Speaker 15: plays on defense. This isn't the Bengals now on defense,
Speaker 15: they got some playmakers and so for them, it's been
Speaker 15: special teams all year and for that to be the
Speaker 15: case again, it's just that's a brutal way to lose.
Speaker 15: At the same time, I think the Seattle Seahawks deserves
Speaker 15: so much credit because they they're winning with playmakers on defense.
Speaker 15: They have a lot of fun, explosive players on offense
Speaker 15: led by Jackson Smith and Jigba and yeah, I just
Speaker 15: two really fun teams. And now what's interesting to me
Speaker 15: it can Sam Darnold be the first quarterback from that
Speaker 15: twenty eighteen class of quarterbacks in that draft to win
Speaker 15: a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: No one would have thought that a few years.
Speaker 15: Ago, and he's sixteen minutes away from doing it, which
Speaker 15: is just wild. It is it's a lot of the seton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is incredible.
Speaker 1: And it looked like, you know, Matthew Stafford, he was
Speaker 1: just running the first half and they I again, tall
Speaker 1: the two halves, right. It was just it was that, well,
Speaker 1: he's picking up part. I mean, the energy was so
Speaker 1: much much better. But eventually the Seahawks top ranked scoring defense,
Speaker 1: top the Rams. They did that on what fourth and
Speaker 1: goal from the six yard line with about five minutes left.
Speaker 1: Witherspoon broke up that pass and Stafford passed in the
Speaker 1: end zone and sealed the game for the Seahawks. You know,
Speaker 1: we always talk about, well, you know, it's a different
Speaker 1: NFL today, James. It's you know, defense doesn't win championships.
Speaker 1: I don't know New England and Seattle looks like their
Speaker 1: defense won championships.
Speaker 15: You need your defense to be able to make plays,
Speaker 15: you know. In Seattle, I mean they gave up twenty
Speaker 15: seven points. It's not like they were perfect, but nicking
Speaker 15: and worry. You saw him that rookie Stacy is all
Speaker 15: over the field making plays and in that series is
Speaker 15: your right. You need guys that are going to be
Speaker 15: able to make plays in critical, critical situations, because that's
Speaker 15: what these games come down to. And if you think
Speaker 15: about it a few years ago during the Bengals run,
Speaker 15: that's what happened. Jesseic Bates made a play. Logan Wilson
Speaker 15: made a play, Jermaine Pratt made a play like that,
Speaker 15: That's what it comes down to. Larry Ogan Jovi made
Speaker 15: a play like These are the games where it comes
Speaker 15: down to one thing here, one thing there, and it's
Speaker 15: the difference between winning and losing. And these are two
Speaker 15: really good teams with good, good, well rounded rosters. That's
Speaker 15: how I would describe it. Because I look at the
Speaker 15: Patriots and they don't have the most firepower, but they
Speaker 15: have weapons. The Seahawks have a ton of firepower. I
Speaker 15: would say Tennis Walker, Jack and Smith and Jigwa, they
Speaker 15: cherry per Rashid Shaheed like, they have a lot of
Speaker 15: fun weapons. But both defenses are are about that. That
Speaker 15: play style as well and they can win with defense,
Speaker 15: which is certainly something the Bengals can't pay in recent seasons.
Speaker 1: It will come back to the It won't come back
Speaker 1: to the Bengals. In just a second here, I'll close that,
Speaker 1: but I you look at you, guys. Matthew Stafford had
Speaker 1: an unbelievable game yesterday. Sam Donald even much better than that.
Speaker 1: But the other guy out there that was almost the
Speaker 1: single handed undoing of the Seahawks was Pooking Akua, second
Speaker 1: leading receiver during the regular season, one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five yards in a touchdown yesterday, and Seattle had a really,
Speaker 1: really hard time stopping him when it mattered. It seemed
Speaker 1: like every big play he was a guy catching that
Speaker 1: touchdown was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Does does anyone to have a guy? I don't think
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got Steph Diggs, you got Booty, you
Speaker 1: got Mac Collins. I don't see that level of player
Speaker 1: on New England. I think they have a much easier
Speaker 1: time with the Patriots than they did LA. Would you agree,
Speaker 1: at least when it comes to receiver.
Speaker 15: Well, for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 15: With receiving talent, I mean Jackson Smith and jiglits so awesome.
Speaker 15: I mean, he's just he's one of the best in
Speaker 15: the game. And by way, so it was pooking Nakua
Speaker 15: because you got to deal with him as a blocker.
Speaker 15: He's Pookakua is like Jackson Smith and jiggu in a
Speaker 15: lot of ways, and Mac Collins. He blocked like Mac Collins,
Speaker 15: but he could run out and make plays like Jackson's
Speaker 15: a Jigits a really unique combo for Puka and so yeah,
Speaker 15: I think from a skill talent standpoint, the edge would
Speaker 15: have gone to the Rams. And if you're Seattle, you're
Speaker 15: gonna look at that day all that's interesting. Now what's
Speaker 15: unique here is Drake May and his ability to make
Speaker 15: plays and his offensive coordinator in Josh Daniel. He's been there,
Speaker 15: done that with Tom Brady and so he's gonna have
Speaker 15: Drake May ready to go. And yes, overall though on paper,
Speaker 15: outside of probably Hunter Henry, I think he's an underrated
Speaker 15: tight end that the skill guys, you would give the
Speaker 15: edge to the Rams, which means what it means that
Speaker 15: New England's going to have to win in other ways
Speaker 15: and including the trenches and their offensive line has gotten
Speaker 15: beat up a little bit really since playing the Bengals
Speaker 15: in November, and so we'll see if if the two
Speaker 15: week break helps them against a really good in talent
Speaker 15: in Seattle defense.
Speaker 2: Well, I just don't see Seattle doesn't win this thing.
Speaker 2: I really don't. At this point.
Speaker 1: Things could change the next couple of weeks. And of
Speaker 1: course he got Mike Vrabel has two weeks to strategize here.
Speaker 1: But man, Seattle just comes at you.
Speaker 15: And the key would be Sam that you get after
Speaker 15: Sam Donald, you rattle head for him to not be
Speaker 15: able to dump it off to Kenneth Walker for eleven
Speaker 15: yards right on first and ten, like the key moment yesterday.
Speaker 15: The Rams they fail on that fourth down and Kenneth
Speaker 15: Walker breaks two tackles, makes those linebackers look like they're
Speaker 15: running in Cincinnati snow. And you get the first down
Speaker 15: like that. That can't be your drive starter. And so
Speaker 15: that's what I would say is take away some of
Speaker 15: these easy answers, easy throws that Sam Donald has easier
Speaker 15: said than done. But him do that, then maybe maybe
Speaker 15: he gives you an opportunity or two for big turnovers.
Speaker 1: If you're the Bengals, James, real quick, what are you
Speaker 1: looking at? What these the two teams that just played
Speaker 1: this particularly in the AFC.
Speaker 2: I guess because that's our path.
Speaker 1: You look at New England, you look at Denver, or
Speaker 1: what do the Bengals need to look?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the future.
Speaker 1: How do we take what they're doing and move it
Speaker 1: up a level for next season because they're always leveling
Speaker 1: up season season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well.
Speaker 15: You certainly need Like when you think of the Bengals defense,
Speaker 15: what do you think of, Like, it's either it's probably
Speaker 15: not good.
Speaker 2: Awful is what I think of, just awful the worst.
Speaker 15: And you don't think of like individual players, like any
Speaker 15: of the defenses that played yesterday, they are a specific
Speaker 15: guy that I think of like, oh, if they play well,
Speaker 15: this guy's going to be making plays or that guy's
Speaker 15: going to be making plays. And the Bengals they don't
Speaker 15: necessarily have that. But I think the first thing is
Speaker 15: you got to find an identity, find someone that you
Speaker 15: could build around. And maybe that's a safety, maybe it's
Speaker 15: a linebacker. Ideally it would be a pass rusher. I
Speaker 15: think that's hard to find, but that's what they need,
Speaker 15: is to find a defensive identity and once you get
Speaker 15: one or two playmakers that you can start to build
Speaker 15: around then it does come together, right, and it's it's
Speaker 15: hard to do that at one specific position if you're
Speaker 15: just targeting one. The good news is, to be quite
Speaker 15: Frank Scott, if they suck everywhere, so they can take
Speaker 15: that playmaker at any spot. Safety, linebacker doesn't matter, right,
Speaker 15: So that would.
Speaker 14: Be my boo.
Speaker 6: The Bengals just find that playmaker.
Speaker 1: Seems like a long way to go to get where
Speaker 1: those two teams are, but who knows. James Rapine always
Speaker 1: been a fun my brand. I appreciate you. Let's talk.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll talk about the Friday before the Super Bowl.
Speaker 15: That sounds great to me. I what's a tougher task
Speaker 15: rebuilding the Bengals defense or shoveling the drive.
Speaker 1: Shoveling the driveway. Shoveling the driveway right now? Is yeah,
Speaker 1: get some players over to your house and Cam the
Speaker 1: way he drives, Cam Taylor Brick could probably be that
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