WEBVTT - Scott Sloan 1/26/26 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:02.840 And a lot of folks just staying in today, So 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:04.720 grab a second or third or fourth cup of coffee, 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.360 enjoy me. Why don't you outside of snow and bitter 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.119 cold here, We also had that in Minnesota. Vigils and 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.280 protests continued yesterday in Minneapolis after the fatal shooting of 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.400 Alex Pretty by a federal officer. A Border Patrol officials said, 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.239 it happened when they're targeting a person for being in 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.599 the country legally. But what happened to mister Pretty is 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.080 almost unbelievable, and especially so when you put in the 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.639 context of the United States Constitution. He was a thirty 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.120 seven year old icu V A nurs and shot ten 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.280 times by federal agents while recording protesters and police interaction 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:36.800 on the street. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.000 He was carrying out his body a handgun. Never do 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:40.520 the weapon. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.479 He was a licensed permit carryholder and well within the 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.479 second Meenment rights to be carrying at the time of 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.240 his death. Joining the show this morning to put this 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.880 in the context talk tactics and all that is, Betsy 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.559 Branner Smith, the National Police Association. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.080 Good morning, Betsy, Hi, Ben, Hey. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:56.600 Good morning. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:57.880 Great to be with you. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:58.640 Yeah, thank you. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:00:59.560 The whole morning. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.440 Yeah, what an awful topic. I mean I initially saw 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.720 it go okay, protesters getting the face of cops. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:06.440 It never runs well. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.919 We had another shooting and then you see the video 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.839 and there's about three to five different angles of this thing. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.479 And I watched it a lot because I had nothing 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.080 else to do yesterday, and I could not help with 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.039 some conclusion, knowing what I know about police tactics and 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.959 intervention that the tactics are poor. We had not the 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.560 first time we saw that, but it ended in the 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.440 death of a thirty seven year old man who was 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.199 well in his right to do what he did. Let's 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.199 begin there and talk about the tactics that you saw 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:34.959 during this interaction, Betsy. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.360 Well, let's talk about that. Was he within his rights? 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.520 He was there to interrupt and arrest and that's exactly 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.240 what he did. You are not allowed to do that, 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.640 so he was not within his rights. And this is 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.720 the problem that we have in this situation. These Border 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.040 patrol and ice agents are trying to do a job, 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.640 a job that they have done in in every state in. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.720 The Union, in countless cities, these large. 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:10.760 Scale operations, and yet in Minnesota you have politicians h 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:16.160 and activists telling and media telling people listen, you need 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.280 to interrupt this. And now you have two people, Renee 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:25.400 Good and Alex pretty are dead because they believed they 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:30.920 were doing presumably doing something right, and they were not. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.960 All let me interrupt the second say, so, you're saying 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.720 it's illegal for someone to record police. Now, granted, standing 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.600 inside of a street in Balka, that's not what I'm 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:40.799 talking about. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.560 He wasn't there to record. He was there to interrupt. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.760 And it's exactly what Renee Good was doing when she 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.519 put a federal agent in the hospital. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:52.440 They're not there to record. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.919 You can do that. Nobody. Every cop has a. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.560 Body camera now and you know, you know, so nobody 0:02:58.560 --> 0:02:59.639 cares if you're recording. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.480 What they are doing is they are trying to stop arrests, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:09.040 and they have been successful at stopping some of these arrests. Now, 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.359 remember on the same day we had a federal agent 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.040 where an arrest was stopped and the federal. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:18.320 Agent lost their finger because a quote unquote observer. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:19.919 Did it off. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.720 This is the problem that we're having. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.840 This has become an absolutely untenable situation. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:33.200 Urged on by local politicians, by the media who are 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.160 not really telling. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.280 The truth about what happened. Now we're these poor tactics. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.200 I'm going to wait for the investigation for more official 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.920 video because when I look at this video, and again remember. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.760 I was a cop for twenty nine years. I stood 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:49.600 on those lines. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:54.440 These cops are so on edge, they are so scared 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.720 to death now of what is going to happen to them, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.560 and not just to them, but to their family. I 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.080 have no doubt that as soon as the agents you know, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.360 who were involved in the shooting I identified, their families 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.320 are going to have to flee, They're going to have 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.160 to abandon their homes, They're going. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:11.840 To have to move. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.960 There is no reason for any of this because again, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.760 Order Patrol and Ice are engaged in lawful activities, the 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:27.960 activities that Congress has told them they need to engage. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.200 It that that's true. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.919 And I think the other side of this for protesters is, 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.599 you know, the individual that they were after was someone 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.400 who is not not only in the country legally, but 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.920 someone who was a criminal, so who committed other crimes as. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.000 Sold the life, elastic abuse, domestic. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.159 Abuse, right, so you know, everyone protests like we're just 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.520 sweeping innocent people up, and that's not the case. Sometimes 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.000 innocent people do get caught up in the system, and 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.279 that's also part of the problem. But relative to the 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.240 death of mister Pretty, I'm sorry as a citizen, as 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.880 a Second Amendment rights holder, I got a big problem 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.720 with what happened, Betsy in a sense that, yeah, I 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.400 get it, you're interfering with police business. It shouldn't have 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.880 resulted in his shooting, especially after the d armed. They 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:05.920 took the weapon off the man and then fired a 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.080 bunch of shots. And I know it's going to be 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.320 I'd love to see, you know, did they get a 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:11.200 second weapon off them? 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:12.839 Was you're reaching for another gun? Did he have it 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:13.280 on them? 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.159 I think not, simply because they already displayed the gun 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.160 that they took off him at the press conference, showing 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.200 the weapon he had had there been a second one, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:22.720 they already come out with this one. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.160 There was no reason to shoot that man. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.080 Now you cannot say that because you weren't there. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.119 I wasn't there. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.760 And again, well, if the circumstances changed it, I'll say, yeah, Okay, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.240 now there's new information, But based on what we know 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:35.960 right now, that was a bad shooting. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.080 Batsy. That was terrible. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.480 Now, I absolutely disagree. And here's the thing. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.200 You know why I carry a gun all the time. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.799 In fact, the National Police Association is the biggest Second 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:53.839 Amendment supporter as a police association. Most of the police 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.800 unions don't like Second Amendment olders. We love them and 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.840 we our Second Amendment rights people. But here's the thing. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.160 You know why I've never been shot by the police 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:07.320 since I've been retired, because when I am approached. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.640 By law enforcement or pulled over on a traffic stop. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.520 I immediately let them know I'm carrying a gun, and 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.279 I don't get involved when my local law enforcement is 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:21.719 trying to arrest someone. Alex pretty introduced a gun into 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.240 this situation. If you're gonna go quote unquote be an observer, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:26.760 don't carry a gun. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.800 But he was not. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.560 And then you're allowed to carry a gun, Betsy, it's 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:31.800 a second mind. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.240 But you are not allowed. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.720 You never took it out, he never brandished it. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.560 And you know, we don't again, we don't know that. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:43.760 We have a limited amount of video. We have a 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:49.159 limited video and almost no audio. We don't know what 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.359 the verbals were except for we can hear an agency 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:57.240 gun gun gun. He was not a protester. He was 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.560 an interrupter. He laid his hands on law enforcement, he 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.520 got in the way, that confrontation got violent, and he 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.320 got shot. We also have to look at now again, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.160 nothing against sig Sur. I attended the Sigsur academy. But 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.240 this is a pistol that is known to have unintentional 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.280 discharge issues. So we'll see what the forensics say on 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.880 this pistol. There have been over a thousand unintentional discharges 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.640 with this particular model of sig salars police. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.760 Then if that's the case, why are agencies still carrying 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.600 these weapons. You tell me it was in the officer's 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.200 hand and it could have just went off without them 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:34.920 touching the trigger. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:40.920 Because law enforcement who carries those have had them retooled. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.480 There's a very easy fix to that. We don't know 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:46.360 if Alex Pretty did that. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.560 Look, you have to look at what's happening here. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.760 These people like Alex Pretty, like Renee Good, and like 0:07:54.040 --> 0:08:01.960 thousands of others, remember mostly paid and imported whys and interrupts. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.400 These people are there because. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.680 They think that they are doing something good, because the 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:14.520 irresponsible media, politicians and other activists have told them that 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.920 they need to go in and save these poor black, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:23.880 black and brown people who are being well maybe. 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.000 Sad, okay, but maybe a couple of things here, Betsy 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.680 Branner Smith. Number one is Alex pet Pretty does not 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.640 seem to be a paid interloper here. He's an ICU 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.480 physician or I'm ACU nurse for the VA in Minneapolis. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:36.800 Nomber. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.160 Of the people who have been caught in this have 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.360 been all local people. I'm not saying there haven't been paid. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.880 But the de mantra, though, is that everyone there is 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.920 somehow a paid protester from George Soros. That's insane. Of 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.720 course that's not true, especially in the case of mister Pretty. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.160 But what what did he do? If if you watch 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:53.800 the video and I watched them, I'm sure all the 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.520 angles and you have, well, Betsy, what what did he 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.880 do to warrant getting shot? Did you see something where 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.839 he's been a I mean, I certainly saw him in 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.640 the street, and that's a that's a punishable fence. But 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.160 the fact that he was pushed, he was pepper sprayed, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.800 he was looked like he was grabbing on to someone. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.199 That woman who was pushed over to try and get 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.000 back up. I don't know if he was resisting and 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.720 technically I suppose just disobeying an order might be resisting. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.040 But man, actually he committed a felony. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.319 He committed a battery on a police. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.240 Well, they put his hand up too, like, hey, I'm 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.240 not a threat. He's holding the phone in one hand, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.520 clearly a phone, and he's got his other hand up 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.679 saying hey, listen, I'm not I'm not threatening you, I'm 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.920 not pushing it. Of course, he's being shoved and pushed back, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.440 and as he's trying not to fall, may have reached out. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.920 But to me, that looks like the aggression of the 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.400 part of the federal agency. 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.400 They look poorly trained. To me, Betsy is seeing there. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.760 There's another mantra that the media is media. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:47.600 I know what I saw. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.640 I'm not watching NBC and I'm not getting my marching 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.080 orders from the media. Betsy, I know what I saw 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:54.240 A portion. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.600 Of video, and you were Remember Remember the Supreme Court says, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.040 we have to look at this y from the position 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.760 of a reasonable officer. You have no idea what was said. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.880 You have no idea what happened before that video. Correct, 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:15.040 And again those angles are just a small part of 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.160 what happened. We have to perceive what the officers perceive. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.640 And again, remember those officers are there being told that 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.440 they are going to be killed. We're going to kill you, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:29.880 We're going to rape your wife, We're going to do 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:30.360 all these things. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.040 Again, you don't know that. You don't know that they 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:33.680 You just told me. You don't know what they said. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.240 But now you're telling me that they told it that 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.360 people are yelling they're going to be killed in rape. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:38.480 You can't have it both ways. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.640 All of the Ice agents and Border Patrol agents that 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.480 are there every day in Minneapolis trying to do their job, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.360 this is just a cop. It is a constant the 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.000 cophony of absolute hate. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.720 Again, this is part of the part. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.480 I'm not disagreeing with that point, But when it comes 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.800 to the point of a man who doesn't seem to 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.280 be a threat to a number of law enforcement officials 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.640 are getting shot when his hand is up and not 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.719 putting his hand on his legally held weapon. As an American, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.400 as someone who's a constitutionalist, I don't know. I watch 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.400 that and go, that's a bad shoot. That's and I 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.839 think the Fed's got to reexamine their tactics. They look 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.200 like poor tactics, and they're the ones who escalated the situation. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:23.960 I get he's out in the street. You shove the guy, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.840 he's back near the sidewalk. At what point do you 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.840 need five people jumping on this guy and then shooting him. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.040 As a constitutionalist, he don't lay your hands on law enforcement? 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.079 You sure don't. But it does. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.800 But again, you know they shoved him, pushed, and pepper 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.440 sprayed him. He's falling backwards, he's moving off the street. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.320 He has his hand up in a phone. Where's the threat. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.000 The threat is that he has a gun. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.560 And he has laid his hands on law enforcement, and. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.560 We don't know he had a gun until he was 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:53.040 on the ground. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.400 Though, here's the problem. You and I are sitting here 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.520 because we have we have hindsight bias, so we already 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.160 know the ending of the story. 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.200 So I want you to think about that. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.320 If you've ever watched Star Wars the first Star Wars, 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.480 hand Solo is a bad guy and you all hate 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.280 him until the end. Then when you watch Star Wars 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.000 the second time, you see him differently because you know 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.040 he's a hero. Because we know the ending. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:18.720 Of the story. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.559 We are all acting with hindsight bias, no. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.120 Question, But yeah, this is the story that's out today. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:25.920 This is why we're. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.960 Talking about I'm finished, let me finish, because what this 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.360 discussion does to people listening to this is they're going 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.520 to say, man, I need to get involved, I need 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:39.280 to get out there, and I need to sacrifice because 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.480 what ICE is doing wrong And these agents are poorly trained, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.720 and I know better than them, they're not poorly trained. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.880 And the problem is they're trying. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.559 To do a job that they have been told to. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.679 Do, but they are being interrupted and attacked and assaulted, 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.480 and it's gotten to a braakking point where we probably 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.840 need the Insurrection Act so that our military can protect 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.520 our law enforcement. And you want to talk about constitutionality. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.560 That is not where America wants to see itself, but 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.840 that is where we were headed. That's where we are 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.760 headed because of Jacob Fry, because of Tim Walls, because 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.200 of the media, and because of the hatred. Let's just 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.760 throw it out there. It's because of the hatred of 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:32.640 Donald Trump and the resurrection of the hatred of the 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.440 American law enforcement officer. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:35.840 And that's a problem. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.920 I don't know, Betsy, I've been around a while. I 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.160 see more blue flags than blue line fags support for 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.840 first responders and the like ever since nine to eleven. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.479 And granted this is a community. I don't live in Minnesota, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.960 nor to you, I don't know what the community standards are. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.040 They're clearly they don't support federal agents and ice and 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.319 the roundups and all that stuff. But you are allowed 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.120 to protest the actions of your government. At what point 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.720 do you simply go, Okay, well we got a lot 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:00.960 of them, do what they're going to do and stay 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:01.560 out of the way. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:02.720 That's not how it works. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.079 Yeah, protesting your federal government, of which I have done, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.920 does not mean laying hands on their law enforcement officers. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.920 And this, well, the officers put him in a situation 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.760 on an icy street or he's falling over and reached out. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.080 He wasn't like punching it. He wasn't punching cops. I mean, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:22.440 I watched the video one hundred times. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:26.040 I never saw that es Sir did not put Alex 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:32.640 Pretty in that situation. Alex Pretty and whoever radicalized him did, 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.440 Remember his parents begged him not to go. They begged 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.560 him not to insert himself in this situation. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.800 We didn't deserve to get shot. Betsy, Betsy, It's indefensible. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:48.720 But he no one deserves to get shot, but federal agents, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.360 like local law enforcement, do not deserve to get shot either. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.320 Here's the problem, and you and I are even doing 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.320 it right now. We are separating out. Oh I love 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.520 my county deputies, in my town cops and my stay caps, 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.640 but those federal agents are bad. It's that is not true. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.720 It's all law enforcement, and we've got to stop. 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:08.440 You a lot. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.240 I'll say, bet, Betsy, Betsy does does does what the 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.840 actions of ice and the federal agents that appear to 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.680 me to be poorly trained, and not just me, other 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.400 cops and use of force experts I've talked to, does 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.400 that make it harder for local cops to do their job. 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.240 I'm one of those use of force experts. I'm one 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:29.120 of those police trainers. I have trained federal law enforcement 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.920 for nearly thirty years. They are not poorly trained. It's 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.720 easy to be a big, fat retired cop sitting on 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.920 your couch and saying, oh, I would have never I 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.840 would have never shot him, I would have never done this, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:41.960 I would have never done that. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.640 Again, we have to look at this from them. 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.680 That doesn't make you right in them wrong. You have 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:47.240 an opinion. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:48.320 Just like they did offer. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.520 Yeah, I do have an opinion, but I'm going to 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.200 hold my entire opinion until I know the facts. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.480 This spouting off of oh was a bad shoot. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.400 They're poorly trained. Out of these are lies. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.520 I said, it appears to be a bad shoot, and 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.760 I'm certainly open to changing my opinion based on other 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.480 evidence that comes out, But so far it looks awful, Betsy. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.680 Use of force is never pretty. And here's the problem. Remember, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.240 for the last ten years since Michael Brown, we have 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.560 been told police officers they're road they're badly trained, they 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:23.520 hate people. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:24.480 Of color, etc. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:25.200 Etc. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.200 Few people believe that, though I think most people are like, hey, listen, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.040 cops make mistakes. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.840 Too, so wrong about that. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.520 It depends what city you're in. Cincinnati, we don't do that. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.000 I have trained tops in Minnesota. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.440 Okay, but that's Minnesota. This is what we're talking about 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.800 here in Ohio. We appreciate our law enforce. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.680 What he got shot in Cincinnati. We're talking about Minneapolis. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.000 People have been shot here for law enforcement. Yeah, and 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.120 what does your media do? What does your. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.600 Community do when you talk about the media, What are 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:58.560 you talking about media? 0:16:58.600 --> 0:16:58.760 Now? 0:16:58.880 --> 0:16:59.520 Was on your phone? 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.760 It's social lots of Cincinnati and Ohio media where the 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.360 police were blamed for rights to shooting. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.560 Yeah, and that's the reaction of the public. It's the 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.760 media made a report on that, and people may have 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.600 opinions on it. But I would say ninety nine times 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.760 out of one hundred, it's a justified shooting, even when 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.440 people are outraged about it. I have no problem calling 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.560 what it is in this case. I don't see it 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.280 that way. Betsy Branner Smith, National Police Association. I always 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.520 appreciate the viggorest debate and discussion, and I hope you 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:29.800 say well talking on soon. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:32.200 Thanks again for having me. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:32.560 All the best. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.439 Let me get a news update in your reaction all 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.760 this thing, you with her, you with me? What did 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.520 you see? Five three, seven four nine, seven thousand saloony? 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.960 Back in the right after news here seven hundred WW 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:53.600 sploding here, seven hundred WLW frozen toware seats as it were? 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:54.000 All right? 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.440 So Betsy Brantner Smith of the National Police Association, just 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.960 on the show, couldn't disagree with him more. She seemed 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.880 to she I don't know, it's kind of a hard 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.560 position to take to say what you witnessed was that 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.199 a justified shooting in Minneapolis, as the case was with 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.280 the thirty seven year old woman with the car. Initially 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.919 I thought, okay, well, she's moving. One guy's telling her 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.600 one thing and others doing another. That's part of the problem. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.239 That seems like a coin toss. This to me not 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.320 so much. The idea that she kept referring to was 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.560 don't show up to her protest with a gun. But 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.200 did this could have played out even if it hadn't 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.359 been a protester, like if it had been a business 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.680 owner or who knows, right, somebody comes out on the 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.960 street and man, now, yeah, was he setting up a 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.720 start a legal peril because he was quote unquote interfering 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.239 with a law enforcement operation? And is that driven by 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:52.080 the culture in Minnesota? Sure, but that's Minnesota, right. There 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.280 are a lot more liberal and progressive Minnesota than we're 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.200 here in Ohio. So I think you got to put 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:58.960 it through that lens, and you know it's being ginned 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:00.000 up by the news media, and. 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.159 You know what the way we know what we all saw. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.960 And as someone who is an ed an art and 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.800 support of seconmendment and all the con social modments for 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.920 that matter, I got a real problem with this, and 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.800 you know, the idea that somehow this is going against 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.440 the wishes of the Trump administration, hold on, Just so, 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.520 what bizarre world do we live in it? 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:23.280 If that's you? 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.360 And I know you have your right to your opinions, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.760 as Betsy Branner Smith did, but are you more loyal 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.200 to the office or the party than you are the constitution? 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:32.560 Because that's a problem for me. 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.119 You are allowed to say at any point, I can't 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:40.040 support this if you're on the fence. Before he said no, 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.040 this is way across the line. And then when Christy 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.520 Nome comes out and says, well, he's a domestic terrorist. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.200 He was going to kill and shoot agents. I didn't 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.479 see that because you know what, he never put his 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.040 hand on his gun as far as we know. Again, 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.480 now again this is all mitigating because more evidence could 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.120 come out. I don't think it is, but it might. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.240 It might, and at that point we'll go with the 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.439 information we know. But we know what we all saw. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:09.239 I know what I saw, and as a citizen of 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.640 this country, didn't like it. You had to say, he's, well, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.720 he's there to murder agents. Well, he would have shot 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.359 them already if that were the case, Why would he 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:18.960 wait till they're on top of them all five that 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:20.399 to pull his gun out and try to threaten and 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.360 shoot agents. Now, of course not if you're if you're 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.320 a terrorist and held about on shooting people, you would 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.480 have done it earlier in that situation, and you do 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:29.440 have a right to carry. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.840 He was a licensed to carry that weapon. He was 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:32.679 not brandishing it. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.480 This wasn't this is what we saw in Cincinnati with 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.119 an eighteen year old and a gun and a dumpster. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:44.480 Whole different situation. And if that's the case, you know, 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.760 we don't have a Fourth Amendment right if agents without 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.919 a warrant can come crashing in your house. Now, if 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:54.880 you're in pursuit or there's imminent threat, sure, but we've 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:59.000 seen that happen. I don't agree with most of these protesters, 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.520 but I support their right to protest. You can't really 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.320 get in the way and interfere with law enforcement operations, 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.960 you know, and that's that's certainly a crime. But based 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.320 on what I saw yesterday or basically I saw this weekend, 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:14.760 I mean, he's out there recording stuff and had his 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.520 hand up and they pushed him on the ground. They're 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.320 like five or six agents on top of him, took 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.440 his gun and then shot him. What threat did he 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.800 pose at that particular moment? And you know, I said, 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.639 you have you're allowed to say, you are allowed to say. Listen, 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.399 I can't support this. I voted for this, but I 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:36.040 don't support this. And if you don't, I would question 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.960 that and go okay, hold on to second. A lot 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.840 of the people who are quote unquote conservatives, Republicans, magae 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:47.199 even aren't Second Amendment fans, huge fans. I see the 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.440 we the People T shirts and the tri Corner hats right, 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.560 and they were right to keep in bare arms. 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.040 Okay, if that's the case, why do you know? 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.119 The question is typically is when we have the progressive 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:00.920 left wanting to take the guns away, we got to 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:01.800 you know, we need more laws. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:02.400 We need more laws. 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.200 Now we don't we got laws now that people ignore, 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.760 the bad guys ignore, why do you have guns? Well, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.160 we have to defend against tyranny. Well, what the hell 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.240 is this? Doesn't that fit the definition? 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.960 I would say yeah. 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.920 I would say, yeah, you can agree that we have 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:22.639 an immigration problem and we have the right to go 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.840 after the especially those who are predatory criminals. Maybe not 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.080 so much so, and you know, Lord on the list 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.280 would be individuals who have been here or brought you know, 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.919 the uh anchor babies or those who are brought here 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.800 as children. That's all debatable, and we should abate all 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.680 that stuff. But you know, rounding up people who are 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.320 here illegally and violent criminals, yeah, we should be going 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.080 after those people. But if you think that that's in 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:46.639 a front that you have a right to protest, I 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.040 support those who protest that. 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:49.760 I wouldn't be out there myself. I think now. 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.320 A lot of the individuals who are rounding up need 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.600 to be rounded up, but we are also catching because 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.200 of I think some of the incompetents here catching rounding 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.120 up people who shouldn't be And I suppose that may 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:04.879 be a reason why people are upset in protesting. But 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.040 it's Minnesota. This is not happening in Cincinnati. It's not 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:12.760 happening in Louisville. It's not happening in Indiana. It's happening 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:18.560 in Minnesota. Different mentality there. But to somehow say that, 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.000 you know, you shouldn't show up to a protest with 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:24.720 a gun, That's not how it works, man. They work 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:26.280 for us. I got a problem with this, how about 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.240 you five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. Let 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.120 me go to Jimmy and Cleaves on the Big One morning. 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:36.600 Jim Hey, soloony, I totally agree with you one hundred percent. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:42.680 Couple things. I support local police, I support the military. 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.480 I'm a conservative. I voted for Trump. However, if I 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:51.880 got to hear one more administrative person, the person you've 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.840 had on talk about you don't know what these ICE 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.480 agents are up against. We have sympathy for him. 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:57.640 I do. 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.080 But and if we have to wait for let's wait 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.400 for everything, let's not make let's not rush to judgment. 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:09.359 We see what we see on these videos, right, and 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.800 and for one more person to say, well, you don't 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:14.720 know what they're up against, it doesn't. 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.880 Give you the right to shoot an American citizen. 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:17.720 For God's sake. 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.080 I am fired up about this because I think it 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.600 is creating so much more of a divide between well, 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:26.720 you have to be on that side or this side. Yeah, 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.239 how about how about where we used to be on 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:31.600 the side that this is a wrongful shooting. 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.639 Yeah, we have because of these political alliances, because of 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.919 these walls, because we've my side's got to win and 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.240 your side has to lose. We have now painted ourselves 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:45.520 in the corner of being it things being indefensible, indefensible 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:46.480 for crying out loud. 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:46.639 You know. 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:51.520 Uh, the same people that believe that Ashley Babbitt who 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.640 was in the Capitol illegally and went beside the fact 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.960 that agents were on the other side goblet of Place, 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:58.960 had guns drawn and she decided to climb through one 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:00.920 who got shot that some shot. He's a martyr, She's 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.840 a murdyr. I don't understand what the difference in this 0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:04.359 case is. 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:04.479 Then. 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.520 Isn't that guy a martyr for the progressive left? In regardless, 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.480 I think this guy didn't have that coming. I mean, 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.000 when you go through a window and guys are saying 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.240 stop and they're pointing guns at you, it seems to 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.720 me they mean business. I don't understand how you could 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:21.720 wrangle that into her being a patriot and a martyr 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.480 and not be supportive of going now this is this 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.639 is this government, this is way over it. 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.000 These are bad tactics. I don't know what the hell 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:29.639 they were thinking. 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:35.360 It's really sad it's come to this, because it is. 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.400 If you watch the videos and you see what happened, 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.480 there is no way in hell this guy should have 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:43.520 been shot and killed. 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:44.120 No way. 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:50.920 And now we have the Trump administration, Christy nom and 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.240 and every you know, the ICE commander and everybody else 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:55.800 have to make excuses. 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.480 Well, let's wait to see what comes. 0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.320 We can see what we can see. 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.440 It's pretty it's all right there in the videos. 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:03.840 What else do we need to see? 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.920 BRONI, I agree one hundred percent. Thanks for Carul. 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:14.080 There's an element of this thing too that you see. 0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:17.760 I'm sorry I kind of cut off there. I must 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.880 be the cold cold well that it's effect and everything, headphones, 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:24.560 all that stuff. Yeah, and how much does he go? Well, 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.280 I know what I'm being told, but I know what 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.320 I see. I know what I saw. I also know that, 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.040 and I'm reasonable that I would look at that and 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.080 go okay, if there's an extenuating circumstance as to why 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.960 they shot him, I would love to hear that. I'm 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:42.000 open to know what what, what threat, what perceived threat 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.040 you had at that moment. But based on the video evidence, 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.639 not just one, but we have several camera angles of 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.680 this thing. I saw a guy who had his phone out, 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.080 I saw a guy who put his hand up at 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:54.000 one point and hey, I'm. 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:57.679 Not a threat. They start pepper spraying and pushing people. 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.120 His reaction was to help a woman who got knocked over, 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.680 helped her up, and then all of a sudden, like 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.000 a bunch of guys are on top of him, pepper 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.239 spraying thing. And I've never been pepper I don't want 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.320 to be in a situation. I've been tased or pepper spread, 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:14.399 neither one of those things. I'm good, thank you. And 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.320 maybe he was warned get back, but they shoved him 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.080 pretty good. They shoved a bunch of people over as well. 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.520 They're trying to get back up. That's not attacking in 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.600 a law enforcement officer. You know, did he put his 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.200 bet Betsy said, you know, he put hands on them. 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.280 I don't know if it's because it's icing, he's slipping 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.000 and they're spraying, pepper spraying, lots going on there, but 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.000 it seems to me that they escalated the hell out 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:40.199 of that situation when they didn't have to. And just 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.520 the multitude of federal agents on him, pummeling him, pepper 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.919 spraying him and punching him, and an agent takes the 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.560 gun off of him, so the threat is stopped. And 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.520 then at one point, the guy with the gun out 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:55.879 shoots at the same time. So I wonder if he 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.239 said somebody said gun, gun, gun and meaning that, hey, 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.600 I'm taking the gun off off of him and the 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.520 officer who fired the shots I think ten shots in 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:10.560 five seconds. Thought it was a active threat of miscommunication. 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.840 But again, that's on training, and how could it not 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.280 be training in tactics At that point, the guy. 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.000 Was exercising his Second Amendment. 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:19.679 Right, This is a tough one if you are in 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.000 the Maga corner right now, going oh yeah, but okay, 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.439 second Amendment. Yeah, well I got shirts, I got guns, 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:28.880 I believe in all that stuff, and we're to fight 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.600 against tyranny. Well it was your guy that did it. 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.760 Well that's not tyranny, that's we have terrorists out, the 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:38.560 domestic terror I mean right away, to call him a 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.880 domestic terraces like there's a many people domestic terrorists. I 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.400 didn't see him as a domestic terrorist. Now you may 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:49.920 question his sensibilities, going, well, you're thirty seven year old ice, 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:51.920 you nurse at the VIA. You seem like a good guy. 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.640 You got to permit legal to carry. Why would you 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.600 put yourself in that situation? Why would you video the 0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:00.440 law enforcement officer. Well, you know I would do that. 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.440 You probably wouldn't do that, but in America you have 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:08.760 a right to do that. And did I see someone 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:10.800 laying in front of you know, trying to trying to 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.440 pull the agents off of the person they were detaining 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:18.720 for what seems like reasonable cause. It's not our determination 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:20.480 as a reasonal but you can stand there in video 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.680 and protest and you know they're trying to move him 0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:25.360 off the street. Sure, he's got his hand up, He's like, 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.800 I'm not a threat, and they shove him backwards. I 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.680 don't know if they need to do that. I don't 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:33.760 know if that's I'm saying. I don't know, I don't 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.720 know if that's an acceptable tactic or not. But it 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:37.800 seemed like people were videoing it where they weren't really 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.320 in the way I've seen, you know, local protests for example, 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.480 where people have done much worse than police have been 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.840 more restrained than that. It seems like they just escalated 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.080 this thing beyond all reasonable levels. At the end of 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.240 the day, the constitution says you're allowed to do things 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:53.760 like this. You may disagree with it, and you go, 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.200 I think it's a stupid idea. I think it's a 0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.760 stupid cause. But that's how the constitution says. That's what 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.840 I care about most. Seven nine seven thou over to uh. 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:04.760 Let me get to Nick in Prebble County this morning 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.560 on seven hundred. WW How you doing, Nick? 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.280 I'm doing good, good, good good. What's up? 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:10.880 Good morning. 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.160 I'm just wondering, do you think the ICE agents should 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.480 leave a Minnesota them since they're having a mob ruled 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:17.880 up there. 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:20.560 I don't think so. I think it's more. 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.080 I think it's like like like coagitation, like the more 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.240 ICE agents do what they do, the more protesters you're 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.360 gonna have. I don't and I don't know if Trump 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.600 is certainly it's not in his DNA to back off 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.760 and go, hey, we're going to withdraw agents because of 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.080 you know, the shootings that have occurred at this point, 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.520 and I think it might get worse before it gets better. 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.240 But I mean, if you're there to enforce the laws 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.360 and you say, hey, listen, we're going after individuals. This 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.840 guy was wanted for domestic assault, which is a legitimate 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.480 reason around them up. Also the fact that you're illegally 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.440 that that's within the rain of ICE I'm not saying 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.080 they're incorrect and doing this. What I'm saying is shooting 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:54.800 that guy was wrong. 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:02.760 So do you think the officers should be put in 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.080 prison or she What do you think should happen to him? 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.240 Since he since you're saying he illegally. 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:12.040 Shot the guy, Well, again, he has an affirmative defense, 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:13.800 he has an opportunity to defend himself and as to 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.560 why he was in that position. But if everything plays 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.200 out is what we saw yesterday, there's no new evidence 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:20.880 that this guy had a gun who was making throw 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.040 our second gun, I guess I should say the threat 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.320 was neutralized. Why they have to shoot him? That that 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:27.360 burden should be on the on the agents. 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:29.280 Yeah. 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.360 Another thing is when when they go up there and 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.840 stuff and they're all blown whistles and like, if you're 0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:36.360 trying to your job right now, once you were blown whistle, 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:37.680 they say they were going to kill you because there 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.040 is threat against them, their signs out there and everything else. 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:41.320 I mean, if you. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.960 Were an eate, if you were an ICE agent, I 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:45.640 mean you would be. 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:46.760 A little fearful for your life. 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.040 I would I would imagine somebody else's gun. 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.400 Definitely, Yeah, I'd definitely be on edge. But the same 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.120 time is me and you are not trained to be 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.520 in situations like that. We don't insert our situation ourselves. 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.040 In situations like that. The training says, Hey, there's going 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.400 to be protesters, people blowing whistles, people saying things to you, 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.880 maybe throwing stuff at you, and that's where the training 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.200 comes in. And if that's the case, well where's the 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:14.440 training here. It's reasonable to go. We expect better from 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.440 federal agents from local agents for that matter. There's nothing 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.240 wrong or disloyal about that. That's how the system works. 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.400 They technically work for us. I have no problem with 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.880 them doing their jobs and rounding up people. They're rounding up. 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.280 That's what we voted for, Okay, But when you get 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.080 an individual out there who's exposing a threat at all 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.080 other than just recording and you shoot him, I can't 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:34.680 stand with that. 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:35.280 How about you. 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.720 Well, the thing is, once the gun was in play, 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.320 you know, I don't know why I would have done. 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:42.760 I mean, there's a gun in play. 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:44.560 I mean I hope I would have made the right 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.480 decision and not shot the guy. 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.280 But the same sense, everybody's. 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.280 Yelling gun, gun, and well maybe I really don't know. 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.920 They took the gun off the guy and then shot him. 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.000 That's the problem. It's not like he pulled the gun. 0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:58.720 Out the gun. 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.280 Yeah, I agree, you know, it's just I mean I 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.760 took concealed carry here in Ohio. When I took it, 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.200 the first thing they tell you is, yeah, well the 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.320 police officer shoots you. And they said, well, you know, 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:10.880 telling me you got a gun, put your hands on 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:12.640 your steering wheel. I don't know if you have you 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.840 ever taken the cecil carry? Yeah, yeah, I have, right, yeah, 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.360 And I mean they pretty much tell you that you 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.640 know you got a gun, and the police officers don't 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:22.920 know what you're going to be done with a gun, 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.680 so you better make sure they tell you, tell them 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:27.680 they got a gun. So that was one of the 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:29.360 things that my wife and I took the course, and 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.600 she was like, she wouldn't even take she wouldn't even 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:32.880 go up and get a permit till she talked to 0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:34.840 the sheriff here in the county and he says, nobody's 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:35.440 gonna shoot you. 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:36.200 You'll be fine. 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.080 Well, I got to go into news here, but I'll 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.600 interject and say that that lassin's changed. Of course, since 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.920 we changed the second amendment of the carry laws. In Ohio, 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:46.920 you don't have to tell a copy of a gun anymore. 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:49.800 And that's that's what people on the right wanted in 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:51.600 the state. So I don't know if that's the same 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:53.160 in minnesot I don't know what the laws of Minnesota 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:56.000 with that, if you got to identify or not. But 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.240 I know here's like, well, if you did that in Ohio, 0:33:58.320 --> 0:33:59.560 it's like, well, I don't have to tell you I 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.360 have a gun, and that's what conservatives wanted. And God, 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.440 and now you're telling me, well, you gotta tell me 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.360 I have a gun. I'm not saying you. You're saying that. 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.920 But do you see the disconnect here and the problem 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.360 because I do. Hey, listen, I had I guess I 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.160 want to talk about this more. Everyone wants to talk 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.560 about this. Uh maybe one line open at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.880 eight hundred, the big one, talk back, a heart rate up? 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:19.520 What else you can do? 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.000 It's cold, you know, we're in the levels three S 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:23.960 no men emergency for the next few minutes here, can't 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:24.839 really go in or doing anything. 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:25.799 Might as well talk about this. 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.920 And I'm just curious where you stand on this whole issue. 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.839 I support law enforcement, as you know, I support what 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:38.600 ICE is doing to degree, you know, get the real criminals. 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.560 I'm talking about people who are predators, who are here illegally. 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.400 Not just snarily legals, but predators. Yes, yeah, we we 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.960 should be doing that. However, However, what I saw yesterday, 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.840 or so I saw Saturday, I guess that ain't that. 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:53.880 I can't stand with that. 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:56.880 Because you are allowed to say I can't support this, 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:58.799 and I'm saying I can't support this. 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.000 How about you? 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:01.600 More of your calls right after news update on the 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.480 home of the Red seven hundred WW Cincinnati, say what 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.840 if you're prepared? Yes, it was a great to stay in. 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.440 You got a good excuse not to do nothing, watch 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:10.080 some football. 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:14.120 I'm with you. I'm with you. I know this is 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:15.600 not a popular stand. 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:19.920 I shouldn't say. I don't really care. I'm going to 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.680 speak my conscience in my mind here and I've been 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.360 saying for the last hour, we'll continue this conversation about 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.759 what happened in Minnesota. Not allowed to say about the 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.279 cold and the snow. We'll wrap up that. I've got 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:32.920 a little few guests on that a little bit later on. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:37.080 But right now, the story in Minnesota taking center stage here. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:42.040 And I don't know about you, but you are allowed 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:48.560 to say I saw what I saw. I can't support this, 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.359 I thought, okay, I support our law enforcement. I support 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:57.640 our police. I understand the mission of Ice and Customs. 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.200 And that is the promise fulfilled by the time up 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.720 administration too weed out not only illegals, but particularly illegals 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:09.640 who are caught up in crime, serious crime, predatory crime, 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.000 like this individual that they were arresting. As the story goes, 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:16.239 a narrative goes allegedly on Saturday that they're rounding up 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.000 a guide who is here illegally, but also someone who 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.560 is a commits acts of domestic violence. 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.399 Okay, can't have that, all right. I'm with you there. 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.640 I can be supportive of that, and at the same time, 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:31.400 you can also be supportive of what you saw, not 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.719 what you're told, but by what you saw. And I 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.040 know what I saw, and you saw the same thing. 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:41.880 Did you look at that and go that's over the line, 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:49.040 because I did. I sure did. And what I really 0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:54.880 don't like. What I don't really like is the constitutional 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.720 violation going We have the second, the fourth or fourteen 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:02.600 amendments of prohibitive officers from shooting citizens merely for possessing 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.759 a weapon that is not an imminent threat. Now let 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:10.000 me make that clear. This guy that was shot on 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:15.680 Saturday did not brandish a weapon. Okay, this wasn't Ryan Hinton. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:20.000 He had it on his person. I would think the 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:23.240 weapon is secure in either waistband, pocket and probably a holster. 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:27.319 Not sure that was not an iminent threat. And the 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:31.719 video is very clear, the three to four to five 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:35.279 videos very clear that Kyle pretty was holding a cell 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.160 phone and not a firearm. And at one point prior 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.560 to him being you know, pepper spread, he had his 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.000 hand up in the fashion of not like shoving the up, 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.080 but like, hey, I got my cell phone, I'm recording this. 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.319 I'm not a threat, and the officer saw him as 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:58.720 a thread. Furthermore, when I hear instantly the Federal Gunment 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.400 Christy Nome come out and say this guy was a 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:06.040 domestic terrorist and he was poised to murder agents with 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:09.880 that gun, that is a lie. I don't think what 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:11.960 he was doing falls into the guy's the very broad 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:16.319 term of domestic terrorism, and I certainly don't think he 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.120 was poised to murder agents because if that were true, 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.239 wouldn't he have already shot the agents. If you had 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.040 the gun, you had ample opportunity before they're in front of. 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:23.640 You to shoot them. 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.600 He didn't do that, he didn't draw it, he had 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:27.560 it on his person, he was not brandishing, and yet 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:32.480 he was shot to death. If you're able to justify 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.640 that in your mind, and I'm just curious, how do 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:38.680 you do that? Because presumably one of the great things 0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.760 about mag and Republicans is the fact that they are 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:45.759 aren't supporters of the Second Amendment. I'm a big fan 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.120 of all amendments of the Constitution, particularly one and two. 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:51.160 To me, the reason why they're one and two the 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.959 second one though, Okay, you're allowed to have you're allowed 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.080 to protest, you're a lot, and you're allowed to have 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:58.880 a gun on you. He had a legal permit to 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:04.480 carry that weapon and he got shot. Why, Well, because 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.280 he's at the meat he was poised to murder agents. 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.280 No, he wasn't. I don't know why he was carrying 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:08.720 the weapon. 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.239 We don't know what led him to going there, and 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.600 all the circumstances that will come out at some point. 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.960 Also troubling to me, it is the Minnesota Bureau of 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.400 a Criminal Apprehension said during a news conference Saturday, Federal 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:26.080 officers block the agency, the local agency, from the shooting scene. 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:29.320 They came back with a signed warrant from a judge, 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:34.359 and we're still blocked. That's not how it works, man, 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.960 that's not you know. At some point you go, okay, 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.720 hold on just a second. All the stuff that I support. 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.279 If you're you know, mag if you're on the right, 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.320 and I lean to the right, obviously, I go okay, 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.719 I'm all about the constitution. I'm all about why do 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:50.120 you have a Why do you need guns? Every time 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.359 we have you know, progressives come out and go, well, 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:55.359 we need more gun. We gotta get her all these guns. 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.640 Get rid of the guns. Get rid of the guns. 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:57.719 Well, what do you what do you need? 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.520 All those guns were well to prevent to protect myself 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:07.319 from government tyranny, government tyranny. Don't you think that this 0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:12.200 is government tyranny? Because because I sure do you know 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.759 when you have them saying yeah, I know what the 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.399 federal I know what the law is. Yeah, you're not new. 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.200 You can't come into our scene. No, no, no, no, 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.680 you're the Feds. Where we but by by lah By 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:26.440 the constitution. The local agencies have a right to go 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:33.120 to that too. Shooting scene. Shooting someone for simply possessing 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:34.719 a weapon that's not in them in threat is also 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:40.200 a constitucial violation. And so when you say I defend 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.960 the Second Amendment, do you or do you defend this administration? 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.400 Because those are two different things. Five win, three, seven, four, nine, 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.840 seven eight are the big one. Talk back on the 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.200 iHeartRadio app to Tim and for Thomas on the Scotslon Shoogar, Morning, Tim, 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:53.600 what's up? 0:40:54.560 --> 0:41:00.160 It's him. It's got a couple of things that have 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:05.080 not been brought up that I need something on. In 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:10.000 the photo, it showed that the gun was cocked. When 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:14.920 you and I am a concealed carry owner in Kentucky. 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.040 When you carry a gun, you do not have it cocked. 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.320 It doesn't fit into a holster. 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.200 What do you mean, Kyle? It looked like I did. 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.080 I saw it, but I didn't really look closely at 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:28.600 the gun that they held up in the press conference 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:30.520 or a picture of on the seat. It looked like 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.200 a maybe a nine millimeter or a six hour. I'm 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.959 not quite sure what brand it was, but that didn't 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:36.439 look like a. 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:41.160 Revolver to me, No, a revolver. No, you're talking about 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:45.400 cocking the hammer on a revolver. In order for a 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.319 nine milimeter to be cocked and ready, you've got to 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:53.279 pull the entire chamber back the slide. It locks back 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.440 and it shows the barrel. 0:41:59.280 --> 0:41:59.840 That's the way it. 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.440 Yeah, but hold on a second, hold on, hold on. 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:04.440 So what you're saying is the barrel was sticking out, 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:06.280 and there was because there's no round in the chamber. 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:10.920 When when law enforcement takes a firearm from a scene, 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.800 they render it like that. So it's probably law enforcement 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.759 that did that, necessarily him, because what they want to 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.160 make sure is that when in handling it in the 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.000 chain of evidence, they don't want it to go off. 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:21.600 So what they do is they secure it. They cleared 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.120 the magazine, and they leave it in that condition. What 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.760 you saw, So it probably wasn't him, it was law enforcement. 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.640 Well, I realized what you're saying, But you don't. 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:30.320 Know that for sure. 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:31.799 Well, we don't know a lot of things for sure 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:33.399 at this point. I know what I saw. Did you 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.239 what you saw? What did you agree with? 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:38.560 I would have preferred to have a whole lot of 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:45.440 audio to fill in what was occurring. Holding a hand 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:49.080 up doesn't necessarily mean you know, I'm not a threat. 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.200 I don't know what the hand up meant. But the 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.719 other point I wanted to bring up was even though 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.880 he would be entitled to bring a gun anywhere as 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:03.400 a concealed carry permit owner, it was a bad idea. 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:09.719 But why would you have also too fully loaded cartridges 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:10.120 with you? 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:14.920 Magazines? He had two magazines on you. Okay, well, but 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.040 that's not if you have a permit, that's not a crime. 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:18.960 You could carry ten of them, so what it's not. 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:23.160 It's not a crime. But to say that that's not 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:24.239 an issue is wrong. 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:25.440 I don't know. 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.400 Well, they didn't know he had two mags on him 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.200 until after they killed him. And not only that they 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.400 took they took the gun away with They took the 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.360 gun away from him and then shot him. That's not 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:34.960 a problem for you. 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.239 If I put a crogress to go shopping and I 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:44.080 have my gun in my holster in a concealed position, 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:46.960 I don't take two magazines with me. 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:48.440 Okay, that's not you. 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.080 But other people how I've seen people go into March's 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.480 Second Amendment marches that carry a lot more than that, 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:54.480 did they deserve to be shot? 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.880 I never said anything about deserving to be shot. I 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:04.600 think you're taking some things that appear to be facts 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:08.200 from what we've seen from the photos. 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.880 And you're making that absolutely. 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.239 I'm one hundred percent doing that because that's that's what 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.880 we have right now, and it's natural. It's also logical 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:17.520 to now. I've said before, I can't say it enough. 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.919 If more evidence, exculporate evidence comes out that it leans 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.359 towards the ice agents or law enforcement, I'd be more 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.600 than open to hear that. But based on what you 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.120 see right now, do you or do you not have 0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:30.319 a problem with it? If you had to make a 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.480 decision right now, what would it be. 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:38.000 Well, I wouldn't make a decision now. Like I said, audio, 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.440 I think is going to give a lot more information. 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.520 If this was a bad shoot, it needs to be 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.280 thoroughly investigated and prosecuted. 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:48.280 Yeah. 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.640 And I think that's the other problem is that you 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.280 know who's doing the investigation, the people who did the shooting. 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:58.600 That's a problem because we have that in local law enforcement. 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.560 Right Let's say Cincinnati, I don't know Evandale, whatever it 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:07.040 might be. The state comes in, they take the investigation 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:12.520 over you're a criminal investigation comes in Kentucky. Every other 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.120 state does that. It's like, yeah, okay, you guys are 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.960 in we're gonna investigate this. That ain't happening in this 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.239 case so far. That is also a problem. And so 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.120 the question is do you trust the government that much? 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:26.560 Because I don't. I don't trust the government if it's 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.080 a Democrat. I don't trust the government if it's a Republican. 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:30.840 And we got to a point now in this country 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.319 where a lot of people will simply side with the 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:38.400 government because that's my horse because I got that you 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.120 know what, I got that red shirt on, or I 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:41.480 got that blue shirt on. I don't care what that 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.960 I I'm with them all the way because we're afraid 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:46.279 of a couple of things. One of them is being 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.399 thrown out of the group that somehow you know you're 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.600 a rhino or you know you're actually a conservative when 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.000 you say you're a progressive, and I don't know. We 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.000 need to be in I guess that community right now 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.120 because we've turned this, you know, into sports is what 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.240 it is. We have a team, were rooting for a team, 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:03.439 and my team can never I can never be wrong 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.279 because it's a reflection on me, and it's not. And 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.360 I think the reflection on us is like, instead of 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.600 siding with what the truth is and what really matters 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:13.239 and that we are the people and we run the 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:16.720 show simply because it's who I voted for, who I support, 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:18.480 I got to look the other way. And that just 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:20.920 gives them more license to do nonsensical stuff. And you 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.000 think it's bad right now, it's the experts and I'm 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.080 not one of them, talk about the midterm elections and 0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.120 now there's gonna be a big blue wave and there's 0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:29.560 gonna be hell to pay. And then that's gonna maybe 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.320 translate to three years from now, which just seems like 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.680 a held a lot of a long time. There's gonna 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:38.200 be this big progressive backlash against conservatives. You think it's bad, now, 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.680 imagine the imagine when another side, the other side, gets 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.959 in power. They're gonna go, Okay, well, hold my beer. 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.520 You thought you thought there's some egregiou stuff happening. Watch this, 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:50.000 But I'll do the name of progressivism. And then in 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:51.680 four years we'll do it all over again. It'll just 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.279 get worse and worse and worse. Unless we stand up. 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.719 We gotta listen. There's some immutable laws at play here, 0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.839 namely the constitution. Don't care if it's Donald don't care 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:05.799 if it's Joe Biden. We absolutely can't allow that. 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:06.920 Now. 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:09.440 Can things change? Can there be new evidence coming in 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.960 that exonerates the cops. Sure, and I'm open to hearing that, 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.160 But right now we got to go. If we go, 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:18.560 If we waited until, you know, judges and juries decided things, 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.239 it bede awfully boring world. We all armshare quarterback. That's 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:22.920 what we're doing right now, and there's no harm in that. 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:26.400 It's human nature. Let me get to John in Westwood 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:30.279 on seven hundred. John, you're a retired cop. I am 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:30.759 all right. 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:31.440 What'd you see? 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:33.200 Well? 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:38.080 I saw a criminal and interfering with the lawful arrest 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:43.400 of an illegal alien, okay. And then I saw not 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.400 only did he interfere, but he resisted arrest once he 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.880 was told he was under arrest. And then I saw 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:54.160 him fighting with the cops, fighting that legal arrest. And 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:59.480 then during the course of the struggle, the cops shouted gun, gun, gun. 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:03.040 Right now, if they took the gun off of him 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.880 and the cops had it in his hand, there's no 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:07.440 way in hell they would have shot him. 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.120 So I have to disagree with they did. 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:09.520 John. 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.160 That's that's what the that's what the video shows. The 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.000 video shows very clearly that the I. 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.239 Think was the agent a video I did not see 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:17.600 that I. 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.480 Thought is the guy in gray had I think gray 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.080 shirt sleeves on. He pulled the gun out, had it 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.920 in his hand, and then the shots. Then then the 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.680 shot gun in his hand. Scott, come on, No, the 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.640 video shows the guy holding a gun in his hand 0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:33.080 that he took off the that's already in the timeline. 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:37.480 It did not, And you're you're jumping to conclusions. And 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:39.480 the other thing is this is in no way a 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:40.880 Second Amendment issue. 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.040 House. Sure, he had the right to have a. 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.520 Gun anywhere he wants to go. You can't take him 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.799 the or you know, bars and stuff like that if 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.839 you drinking. But that that goes out the window when 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:52.920 he interferes with lawns. 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:53.479 He didn't. 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:56.640 I don't know the window. 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.080 Okay, I don't know where you're coming from on this, 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:03.560 but it's very clear that you are. The constution prohibits 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:07.200 officers from from shooting people merely for possessing a weapon 0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:09.120 when it's not an eminent threat. It wasn't an imminent threat. 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:10.839 He didn't have it drawn, he wasn't reaching for it. 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.200 They took the gun off him. What amendment says that, 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:16.080 I'm sorry breaking up? 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:17.840 What a. 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:24.120 Second amendment? Fourth amendment, fourteenth amendment, a lot of amendments? 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.920 Law enforcement is that you know him interfering is a felony. 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.319 I believe in this particular case that's sorry. But two 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.320 things can be right. He can be breaking the law 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:37.319 by protesting, but law enforcement agers you shot him could 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:39.160 also be breaking the law because this looks like a 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:43.040 bad shoot. Well, it looks like a bad shoot, but 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:44.960 we don't know all the facts. And for you to 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:48.080 jump to conclusions and get people routed up, you're just 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:49.239 playing into the handle of the. 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:51.080 You're hold on a second, hold of the second. 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.640 In your world, you wait until the til the case 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:55.520 goes to court, till a jury. Here's in the judge's side. 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.160 We're not allowed to talk about anything until that point. 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:00.279 Is that what you're saying a. 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.480 Lot of times that happens because if you talk about 0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:03.759 it, it coul jeopardize the case. 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:06.040 You know that, No, no, no, no, I'm talking about the citizens. 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:07.719 I'm talking about people like me and you who have 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.600 nothing to do with Minnesota talking about this. You're saying, 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.560 you you wait until the wait until it becomes history 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:15.160 and not news to talk about things. 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:17.360 No, no, no, no no, that's kind of what you're saying, 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:20.120 that we can we can discuss it. We are you 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:22.960 up to say that the cops did wrong? 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:23.920 You don't know that. 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:26.839 Okay, hold on a second, did you not just minutes ago, 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:30.120 tell me you said that he was interfering with the 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:33.080 criminal investigation and he was resisting arrest. How do you 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:34.480 know he was just saying, how do you know what 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:36.400 he was saying to those officers. You don't know that 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:37.960 anymore than I do. So you're doing the same thing, 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:42.240 are you. Well, you're you're saying that the video shows 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:44.319 the cop took the gun off of him, had it 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:45.560 in his hand, and then he was shot. 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.560 That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about. 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:51.120 That's not according to those who researchers who went through 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:52.839 this frame by frame, and I watched it myself, that's 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:55.920 what I saw. Now again, you're you're a welcome to 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:58.560 your own opinion on this thing. But it's pretty clear 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.960 that the officer had him taking the gun off of 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.640 him and it was shot at the same time. You 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:05.640 can't have it, but you can't also, I mean, if 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.840 you saw five guys on top of one, what caused 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:11.439 what caused him to be in such a situation where 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:11.959 he'd be shot? 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:12.239 For that? 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:15.879 Scott, I'm afraid that when it all comes out, you're 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:18.640 gonna find that you were wrong and you should issue 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:19.320 and I will. 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:20.600 And I'll say I will. 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.120 And here's the thing, John, if I'm right, I'll never 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.720 hear from you again, will I No. 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:26.920 No, no, I'm enjoying you will not. 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.000 No no I'm saying is you won't call back and 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:31.080 say you know what I was wrong about this? 0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:32.719 I will? 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.279 Well, you will, okay, I will, all right, And I 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.439 know what I'm going to do because it's like, okay, 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.120 if there's more evidence coming out, let's see it. I'm fair, 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:42.880 but I'm also a citizen and what I saw bothered 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:44.600 the hell out of me. I didn't like it at all. 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:47.799 I'm not afraid to say that. But we have a 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.960 lot of people to going, well, well, if the if 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:54.719 and when, Okay, then Kyle Rittenhouse, Ashley Babbitt, what about that, Well, 0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:55.360 that's different. 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.120 Now it's not really. You're allowed to do that. 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:03.040 You're allowed to care a weapon on you. You shouldn't 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.600 be shot for that unless you're brandishing it or about 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.520 to reach work, which Cordnell the video in the timeline 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.120 so far, which could change and there could be more evidence, 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:13.440 doesn't appear to be the case. We should all be 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.239 outrage of that. And you know what if your pro 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.839 Second Amendment, if you're how hard I guess I should 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:19.799 have made How hard does that make your job if 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.040 you're a cop, because you have federal agents that appear 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:27.759 in my citizens perspective that have not have good tactics here, 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.360 doesn't that make the local jobs, the local cops jobs harder. 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:34.239 I think it does, because you know, people tend to 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.960 I don't, but people tend to lump them all together, going, oh, 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.480 you know a bunch of cops like that makes me hard. 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:42.560 It makes harder for the Minnesota police or Cincinnati police 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:43.200 to do their job. 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:47.600 In my opinion. Yeah, we speculate, we talk, we armshare cords. 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:48.400 That's life. 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:50.320 You can't you can't speculate on the things that you 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.439 want to speculate. And when someone brings up that goes 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.440 against your already preconceived notions go, well, we shouldn't talk 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:59.760 about it until yeah we should. We should because well, 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:02.279 these are our rights. This is our country, after all, 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:06.320 regardless of who you voted for, who you support SEC Amendment. Baby, 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.360 I'm down you. We'll get to news and we'll switch 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:12.160 it up here. Julie Hattersh're share mental Health Monday. Good 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.520 time to do this next seven hundred WWD. 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:17.080 Since Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire. 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.120 Yeah, after the cold and snow and ice and of 0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:23.399 course all the news, it feels like we need someone 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:26.319 to talk a little mental health these days. And this 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.240 is why you do it on Monday Mornings with Julie 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:32.200 Hattershare with Beconnected dot Care here in Cincinnati. Welcome, Julie. 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:33.960 How are you you're digging out? Are you just staying 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:35.160 and waiting for the snow to melt? 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:40.040 We dug our way out over the weekend. Yeah, shovel 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:40.919 several times? 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:41.279 All right? 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:42.080 How long did it take you? 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:45.640 The first time we were out there for just under 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:48.040 an hour, and the second and third times were less 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:48.359 than that. 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.480 There was a lot less snow to do after, you know. 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.919 The great when a husband and a wife can do something. 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.640 I have to together unlike me were. 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:57.960 My bonding experience. 0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:00.000 But my knees, my knees. 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:06.440 Oh well, oh, I've got to do everything. I'm exhausted, Julie. 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:07.160 I need a vacation. 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:09.040 I don't know how. 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:11.400 I don't know how full time caregivers do it. I 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:13.239 really don't between, you know, just trying to keep all 0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:16.480 the all the plates. But yeah, that's that's the way 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:18.759 it is. But uh, all right, she's mending, and none 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:19.920 too quickly, by the way. 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:20.279 Let's go. 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.480 Let's go, Let's get these knees heeld and get on 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:24.960 with your life, because I need I need what Julie 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:25.520 has right now. 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:27.480 It's a partnership. It's a partnership. 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:30.080 Well, and I'm sure she feels that way too. 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:31.920 I know, Michelle, she would not like to be down 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:33.480 for the count for as long as she had with 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:34.480 both of these knees. 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.920 Because she's annoying when she's down and she can't do anything, 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:38.840 and so it's even more frustrated that she can't and 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:40.839 that it's more demand. It's a whole thing. So what 0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.279 you're saying is, Julie, I need to be more resilient. 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.080 How do I be more resilient. 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:49.200 You need to be more resilient. I'm saying you need 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:51.600 to be more resilient. You need to bounce back better. 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:55.200 All right, let's talk about resiliency. How does that work? 0:54:55.280 --> 0:55:02.280 Even Well, so we all know people who something bad 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:06.120 happens to them and it really takes them down and 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.400 they have a very hard time getting back up again. 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:12.000 And we also all know people who's something really bad 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:14.440 takes them down and they take a deep breath and 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:16.799 they dust themselves off and they pop back up again 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.959 and keep going. And those are the people who are 0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:24.560 who are skilled in being resilient, And those are the 0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:26.719 people that we're going to be talking about today and 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.920 what makes them resilient and how we can be resilient 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.919 because life is going to throw us curveballs, whether it's 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:36.520 your health or economics. Life is going to throw you 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:39.640 a curveball, and how you respond to it is. 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.440 A mark of how resilient you are. So we're going 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:44.200 to talk about what makes that happen. 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:46.480 Well, let's do that, because I'm fascinated with this topic 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:52.440 because it's about me. I think about you. I'm a survivor, 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:54.640 I will I'm like a cockroach I'll find a way right. 0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:57.360 It may take me a long time, but I envy 0:55:57.400 --> 0:56:00.239 people who can go okay, shake it, Like you know, 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:03.200 professional athletes, Well, they'll go okay, I a bad play, 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.600 I'll come back and they wind up winning, as opposed 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:08.000 to you know, mean, I hit a bad golf shot. 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:10.080 I'm pissed off about that for the next three holes. 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:12.920 I need to be more resilient. I tend to hold 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.000 onto things, and I think that's part of my DNA. 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.200 My folks are like that. I'm like and I've been 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.759 trying to shake it for all these years. I don't 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:20.920 know if I'm doing a good job or not. 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:22.840 Well. 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.120 So you say your DNA is like that, and you're 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:30.759 right that resilience is somewhat linked to your genetics. So 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.719 some people are more resilient than other people. And some 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:39.000 people are more resilient physically, like they just they bounce 0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:41.759 back from illness or injury better. Some people are more 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:45.719 resilient mentally and emotionally they sort of regroup and get 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:50.399 back on the horse better than others. But innately, though 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:53.240 those may be your qualities, we all have the ability 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:58.359 to increase our resilience and to increase our bounceability when 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:00.920 things go wrong, and so you know, if you can, 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.840 if you can hit a bad shot and it only 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:06.040 takes you a whole and a half to get over it, 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:09.760 that's better, right, So we can increase that to some degree. 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:12.040 I've been golfer for like ten years. There stuff I 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:13.919 still hold against myself from the first year I learned 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:14.360 how to golf. 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:14.960 Is that bad? 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:17.720 That's really bad? 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:21.040 A long line. I come from a long line of 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:21.880 people hold on it. 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.320 My mom, for example, when I would she would remind 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:27.200 me of stuff I did when I was five years 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:28.600 old that she still holds on to. 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.480 Oh, my mother does the same thing. She'll say something 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:33.880 to me and she'll say, you told me this, And 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:35.160 I say, Mom, I was thirteen. 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:37.360 That was a really long time. 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:38.880 Hang on you. 0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:41.640 That's not resilient, is it. That's not being resilient. 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:49.440 So positive attitude, optimism, able to regulate emotion, viewing failures, feedback, 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:53.760 and not not a indictment on yourself. That that's essentially 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.000 what resilient. And we can use a lot more resilience 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:57.920 in this world, couldn't we. 0:57:57.920 --> 0:57:59.960 We could use a lot more resilience in this world. 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:05.600 Part of it, too, is what you attribute the challenges too. 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:09.400 So if you attribute then to things outside your control, 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:12.760 that you are just unlucky, that there is nothing you 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:15.480 can do about what happened to you and don't take 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.560 ownership for your response to it. That tends to make 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.800 you think more like a victim and tends to make 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:25.560 you be less resilient. Whereas if you say some things 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.000 are in my control, how I respond and how I 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:31.760 behave some things are outside my control, the weather, for example, 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:35.760 or what's going on politically in the world that is 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:37.400 outside your ability to control. 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:40.439 But you can control how you show up, how you. 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:42.720 Think about it, what you do about it, what actions 0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:46.320 you take or don't take. If you focus the locust 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:49.400 the focus of your control on you and what you 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:52.840 can do versus the things that you can't control, that 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.720 gives you more agency and tends to make you more resilient. 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.840 So it's about looking at how you can show up, 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:04.000 what you can influence your control, not focusing so much 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.080 on the things that you can't. Because again, life is 0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:07.440 going to throw us all curveballs. 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.640 Yeah you've got the curve balls are coming, there's no 0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:11.520 doubt about that, and you've got to learn how to 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:14.600 let that roll off your back. But and I think 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:16.560 you could be too resilient where you just let yeah, 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:17.760 I don't care about anything. 0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:19.640 There's an extreme on both sides of this whole thing. 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:23.560 Trauma servisor sure that would be resilience, that that would 0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:25.720 be that would be apathy. No, I'm not sure that 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:29.320 would be resilience. That would be apathy. That the concept 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:33.440 of resilience is Okay, you are, you are impacted, and 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:37.120 you overcome the not caring, the apathy. 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:38.160 That's not resilience. 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.600 That's something different, and it's not necessarily bad in every situation. 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:43.160 It's just not quite what we're talking about. 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.440 Trauma survivors seem to be really good at this. 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:53.080 Tr trauma survivors, well, trauma survivors are survivors. 0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:53.760 By by definition. 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:58.080 They don't always thrive in the in the aftermath of 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:01.360 the trauma though. And so there's this concept we've all 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:05.720 heard of post traumatic stress disorder PTSD, but there's this 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:10.320 concept in the psychological world of post traumatic growth, where 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:13.920 the trauma happens and as a result of it we 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:18.200 grow and learn and change in positive ways. So I 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:20.800 saw this repeatedly when I was just out of grad 1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:23.920 school and working with cancer patients and their families as 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:27.240 a counselor, and I would see time and time again 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:30.600 that my clients would talk about the gifts that came 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:35.840 with their cancer diagnosis, the deepening of relationships, the clarity 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:42.000 of prioritizing their lives, the reorganizing of what mattered to them, 1:00:42.400 --> 1:00:46.360 the recognition that chasing money and fame and success didn't 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:49.160 necessarily make them happy. What made them happy was their 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:52.600 relationships and the meaningful things in their lives. And so 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:57.600 when faced with this life threatening illness or life impacting illness, 1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:00.440 they very often would talk at some point point in 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:03.240 time after they sort of got over the initial shock, 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:07.600 about how it changed their world and changed their priorities 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:09.400 for the better. You know, they knew who showed up 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:11.200 for them and who didn't. They knew who was there 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:13.040 for them and who wasn't. They knew what mattered to 1:01:13.080 --> 1:01:15.760 them and what didn't, and it helped them shift their 1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:19.080 thinking about the world. And they considered those the gifts 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:22.840 that came with cancer. We would call that post traumatic growth. 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:26.080 Okay, as opposed to postmatic stress, which you normally think about, 1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:27.720 all right, Julie, when it comes to the topic of 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:29.840 resilience here, how do you how do you lean into it? 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:32.000 How do you make yourself more resilient? What steps do 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:32.360 you take? 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:34.360 Well, First of. 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:37.960 All, you can take some risks and recognize that they 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:41.280 may not pay off, and going in knowing that they 1:01:41.320 --> 1:01:44.160 may not pay off. If they don't pay off, you 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:46.920 can then figure out how to group after that, so 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:52.400 you can control the risk, control the reaction, and learn 1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:55.440 to build your resilience as a results of that. And 1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:59.040 the more you put yourself into positions where you're walking 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:01.720 on the edge of your case abilities in whatever situation 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:05.120 that is, the more likely you are to stumble or 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:08.640 fall or fail, and the more practice you can have 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:12.680 in picking yourself back up and figuring it out again. Scientists, 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.920 for example, often fail, and that's part of their process 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:18.240 is they try this, it doesn't work. 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:20.040 They try something else it doesn't work in some way 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:20.560 to get to the. 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:24.280 Right answer, and every time they fail they learn something new. 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:25.880 So another thing. 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:30.360 Is recognizing that failure is good information to have. If 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:33.120 something doesn't work out, that's good information for you to 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:35.640 have because now you know something that doesn't work, which 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:38.920 allows you to do something different and perhaps better than 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:42.080 next time, versus I failed. You can think, oh, I 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:45.280 learned that this doesn't work. Let me try this instead. 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:48.760 All right, Yeah, that makes sense, So you try. But again, 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:51.040 you can't be risk averse. You have to lean into 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.120 you guys. Hey, you know, I may learn something, it 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:56.280 may work out, but I'll take something away. I think 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:58.200 a lot of people, especially in this day and age 1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:01.960 Julie had to share, to look at any criticism and any 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:04.240 failure is the worst thing in the world that we 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:07.360 should be avoided at all costs. And when it comes 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:10.280 out of criticism is how do you not take that personally? 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:11.720 You know a lot of people in the world take 1:03:11.760 --> 1:03:14.560 criticism personal as a personal front as opposed to being 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.440 constructive or you know, looking at help and am minutely 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:19.600 you get defensive, going wow, how dare they belittle me? 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:23.120 But that's not what's happening? What kind of character flaw 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:25.320 is that? And how do you change that? 1:03:27.080 --> 1:03:29.960 Well, first of all, I would say that sometimes criticism 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:33.360 is delivered as if it's personal, not you did that wrong, 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.840 but you are wrong, Not you screwed that up, but you. 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:38.760 Are a screw up. So sometimes criticism actually. 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:41.480 Is delivered personally, And it makes sense then that we 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.240 would take it that way. Sometimes it is delivered in 1:03:44.280 --> 1:03:48.040 a constructive, helpful, kind way, and we still. 1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:49.520 Are primed to take it that way. 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:52.560 And people who are resilient, it's not that they don't 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:53.440 take it personally. 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:55.200 It's not that they don't feel the sting. 1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:58.960 It's that they recognize even if it is, there's something 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:02.440 they can learn from it. They can grow, they can change. 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:05.560 It's good information to have. So after it stings, after 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.120 they say that coach that hurt, then they say, okay, 1:04:08.680 --> 1:04:11.400 what if this is true and valid and applicable, what 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.960 can I learn from it? How can I grow? And 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:18.160 is there anything that I can do better or different 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:21.520 next time to prevent this from happening. So it's not 1:04:21.640 --> 1:04:24.560 that it doesn't sting, it's that they don't stay with 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:31.240 the sting. They move past that into growth, change, knowledge, information, 1:04:31.640 --> 1:04:32.560 and understanding. 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:35.480 Gotcha as opposed to shutting down and going to a 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:38.000 shell because you feel like you've been affronted, Which is true. 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:40.080 I mean we've you know, we live in a society 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:42.240 day where we've kind of poisoned our kids against any 1:04:42.320 --> 1:04:45.040 criticism as a direct attack on who we are and 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:48.919 our psyche and of course any any type of risk 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:51.240 or any type of failure is to be avoided at 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:54.440 all costs. It seems we probably are less resilient than 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:56.520 as a result of that, than more resilient these days. 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:00.280 Absolutely, And I'm glad you brought up children, because I 1:05:00.320 --> 1:05:03.320 think that resilience is something that our youth today are 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:10.080 severely lacking. And partly that's her parents' fault. Partly that's 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:15.280 because parents have paved the way, snow plowed, helicoptered, managed 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:19.280 their children's lives to ensure success and not allowed them 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:22.520 to have the experience of turning in an assignment laid 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:26.120 and getting a failing grade, or doing something halfway and 1:05:26.200 --> 1:05:30.080 getting a lower grade than they need, or pushing themselves 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:33.120 to try out for a higher level sports team and 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:37.400 not making it. And when that happens, they don't learn 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:40.080 how to overcome, how to regroup, how to learn the 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:43.640 lessons that they need to learn as children and young people. 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:45.920 When they've got a lot of safeguards and a lot 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:49.120 of safety nets in place. Oftentimes then they hit their 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:51.560 first real failure in their twenties or their thirties, and 1:05:51.560 --> 1:05:54.440 they're completely undone because it hasn't happened to them before, 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:55.480 and they don't know what to. 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:58.080 Do, all right, They don't know how to regroup. 1:05:57.760 --> 1:05:58.080 All right. 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:00.880 Before we go wrap it all up, joining talk about 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:03.160 resilience and how to be more resilient or life, what. 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:03.360 Do you do? 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:09.040 Put yourself in situations where you can take some calculated 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.600 risks and if it doesn't go well, figure out what 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:13.680 you need to learn from that to move on. So 1:06:13.840 --> 1:06:18.440 practice being resilient, Feel the sting of a criticism or 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:20.320 a failure, and then figure out what you can do 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:21.520 differently next time to. 1:06:21.480 --> 1:06:24.120 Help prevent it. Try to focus. 1:06:23.800 --> 1:06:28.080 On keeping what you can control and influence within you 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:31.160 and not worrying so much about the things you can't 1:06:31.160 --> 1:06:34.560 control or influence. You can't control what happens to you, 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:36.840 but you can control how you respond to it, what 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:38.600 meaning you make of it, and what you do with. 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:39.240 It in the future. 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:41.439 Easier said than done, Julie, that's the nature of your job. 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:43.040 You're just easier said than done. 1:06:43.840 --> 1:06:45.920 It's easy for me to say, people just figure out 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:46.600 how to apply it. 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:47.680 Yeah, I got it all right. 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:49.880 She's there for a Julie how to share our licensed 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:53.640 mental health expert here on Scott's Soland Show. She is 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:56.880 at beconnected dot Care. That's a letter b Connected dot Care. 1:06:56.920 --> 1:06:58.320 If you want to reach out, maybe a topic for 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:01.800 future show. Something you heard to reach out and we'll 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:05.040 discuss at a later date. Every Mental Health Monday with Julie. 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:06.200 Thanks again, have a great week. 1:07:07.200 --> 1:07:07.920 Thank you, by bye. 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:09.920 All right, we'll get to news in about five minutes 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:12.439 here on seven hundred WLW on this day of days 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:14.400 where we have what's going on Minnesota kind of exhausted 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:15.640 that in the first hour of the show. Make sure 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:17.160 listen to the podcast. I had a great guest done 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:20.240 at nine about this from the Police Foundation, Betsy Brentnor 1:07:20.280 --> 1:07:23.040 Smith from the National Police Association. Disagreed with her. We 1:07:23.080 --> 1:07:24.560 had different takes on this whole thing of what I 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:27.440 saw I had a huge problem with. But I'm sure 1:07:27.440 --> 1:07:29.160 we'll be talking about that in the coming days because 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:31.000 this story is not going of course, the biggest story 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:33.440 local to us would be the weather. Had that huge 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:36.320 snowstorm move through. Hopefully you're digging out or have digged 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:39.120 out already, doug dugged out, dugged out, digging whatever, you 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:41.960 know what I mean. Hopefully you cleared your driveway. Let's 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:44.160 put it that way. Now, we got to face bitter cold, 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:47.200 full forecast, traffic, all that on the way and when 1:07:47.240 --> 1:07:50.080 to return on the show, Speaking of which we'll talk electricity, 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:52.960 namely the one million people of our power after this storm. 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:54.920 Is that a sign of things to come? With the 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:57.080 grid the way it is right now? We'll talk energy 1:07:57.120 --> 1:07:59.200 with David Holt next Home of the Red seven hundred 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:01.960 w WT since that this is why everything shut down 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:05.480 level through snow emergencies and alike, and that brings us 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:07.760 up too, is the aftermath of this. So we had 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:11.240 over one million without power in the region. Kentucky one 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:13.360 of those eleven states hit by snow and ice taking 1:08:13.360 --> 1:08:16.320 out lines. Nashville, just south of US had a record 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:20.080 breaking event with almost a quarter million homes without electricity 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:23.400 and that continues in through today. And of course we've 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:27.440 had this competition many times. Experts say it's failing infrastructure. 1:08:28.840 --> 1:08:30.400 You're you know, as the result of that, you're gonna 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:33.400 see more widespread outages during snow, ice and wind events, 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:35.920 and we're going to power is going to fall easier 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:37.960 than it has in the past, according to the experts. 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:39.840 One of those is David Hole he's the president of 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:42.599 the Consumer Energy Alliance, joined on the show this morning 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:46.680 on seven hundred WW David House Today, find you, you know, 1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:48.440 warm and safet. 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:51.080 Hopefully that's the majority of your listeners as well. 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:52.719 Good you're down? Are you in Texas? 1:08:53.520 --> 1:08:53.920 I am? 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:54.519 You am? 1:08:54.760 --> 1:08:56.800 How did the power because last time, remember we had 1:08:56.800 --> 1:08:59.759 that ice event and it was an unmitigated disaster, literally 1:08:59.800 --> 1:09:02.720 had the disaster because so many people without power. How 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:03.519 do y'all do this time? 1:09:04.400 --> 1:09:07.240 So, so far, so good. It's you know, a few 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:10.800 scattered power outages, mostly from you know, down trees and 1:09:10.800 --> 1:09:13.040 things like that. But for the most part, Texas is 1:09:13.760 --> 1:09:17.240 I guess weathering the storm pretty well good. Today will 1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:19.920 be the coldest day for us. But I think so 1:09:20.040 --> 1:09:22.599 far so good. Fingers crossed prayers for everyone. 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:23.799 Yeah, exactly. 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:26.760 And I think it's not unexpected at all when you 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:29.000 have an event like this as wide and big and 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:32.000 deep and awful as the storm was over the weekend. Fortunately, 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:34.519 is over the weekend too. I'll point out you're almost 1:09:34.560 --> 1:09:35.480 going to have power. 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:38.600 Edgers and the like. But are you surprised? Is it? 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:38.920 Is? It? 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:39.360 Too little? 1:09:39.400 --> 1:09:39.679 Is about? 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:39.920 Right? 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:42.679 I mean a million homes and not only that, especially 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:45.840 what happened in Nashville. Is that indication this is a 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:48.040 it's been a problem with our power greater or is 1:09:48.080 --> 1:09:50.200 this just simply what they expected because of the bad weather. 1:09:50.840 --> 1:09:54.320 You know, you know, these extreme weather events like this, 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:58.200 you know, a tornado, hurricane, extreme cold, extreme heat, they're 1:09:58.280 --> 1:10:00.960 always they just said that the big esters of the grid, 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:04.280 of our our power mixture. For the most part, Scott, 1:10:04.960 --> 1:10:09.440 I think the nation is showing, uh, pretty good resiliency 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:12.360 of the grid, pretty good resiliency for power. 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:14.080 There are power outages. 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:16.200 Around, Uh, there has been a little bit of a 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:17.200 loss of loss of life. 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:20.320 I don't want to understate all this, but. 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:25.720 From what we've seen in the past so far, it's 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:30.160 better than it's been other years other times that's shown 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:34.559 good resiliency. That shows the grid operators all across the country, 1:10:35.560 --> 1:10:40.519 you know, saw this storm coming prepared. Did we learned 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:44.479 lessons from other weather events that we've already had, uh 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:48.040 in previous years. So for the most part, you know, 1:10:48.080 --> 1:10:53.479 in a national generalization statement, it it hadn't been too bad. 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:54.639 All right, So we did pretty good. 1:10:54.840 --> 1:10:57.160 And yet experts, maybe not yourself, but others in the 1:10:57.200 --> 1:10:59.960 field say hey, listen, yeah, we're we're at a tipping 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:00.559 point here. 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:03.080 We can drill, baby, drill. We can extrue. 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:04.439 We can get all this energy out of the ground, 1:11:04.439 --> 1:11:06.200 but we still have to put it in a plant 1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:08.639 to convert it to usable energy. And then we've got 1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:11.960 to get that from the plant to homes and businesses 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:14.760 and hospitals and retirement homes and nursers and all that 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:15.400 stuff as well. 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:18.120 And that's where the disconnect is. People. Here's you go. 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:19.680 Hey, listen, we just had a big storm, one of 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:22.559 the biggest ever. And yeah, some people are a powero 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:24.920 gunning back online. But no big deal, so we kick 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:25.720 the can down the road? 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:26.000 Is that? 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:27.400 Why is that? What's happening here? 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:28.519 You know? 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:31.000 I'm one of those guys that keeps saying we have 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:35.479 to do more, and I think we have more time 1:11:35.520 --> 1:11:38.000 in this storm. It's not over yet, but so far, 1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:40.960 so good. But don't let that. Let us rest on 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:44.800 our laurels. We are way behind, and grid development way 1:11:44.800 --> 1:11:49.200 behind and expanding our transmission. Some states have gotten I 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:53.599 balanced with too much renewable energy and not enough always 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:58.240 available natural gas and dispatchable base load power. We still 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:01.280 need to have some serious conversation among all the states 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:05.040 and develop more nuclear power. What we're going to see 1:12:05.120 --> 1:12:08.400 over the next three to fifteen years. Scott is unprecedented 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.960 in US history with new demand for electricity and for 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:18.120 power for data centers. Industrial development across the country is 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:20.760 really also quite expanding quite a bit. 1:12:21.760 --> 1:12:23.480 We also have more natural gas. 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:28.200 For LNG and other global applications. So all these things 1:12:28.280 --> 1:12:31.479 mean we need more pipelines, We need more transmission lines, 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:34.080 We need to develop more of our own natural resources. 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:38.080 We need to get more serious about natural gas. Demand 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:40.880 is going up. The strains on the grid are real, 1:12:42.080 --> 1:12:46.080 and states, local and federal policy makers all need to 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:49.120 get serious about it. We're also scott still seeing a 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:55.440 lot of protesting and nay saying and opposition to developing 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:58.759 pipelines and transmission and other energy projects around the country. 1:12:59.479 --> 1:13:02.400 We really got to get to a place where citizens 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:03.200 have their say. 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:05.920 We want everyone to have their input. 1:13:05.760 --> 1:13:08.920 But we need to be as a society able to 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:13.080 make decisions and build out this infrastructure relatively quickly at 1:13:13.120 --> 1:13:16.280 this point because we are behind so states, the local 1:13:16.320 --> 1:13:18.439 communities need to weigh in, but we need to build it. 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:21.559 Yeah, we had this Duke pipeline fight not long ago 1:13:21.600 --> 1:13:23.920 here in the Cincinnati area residents, and now I get it. 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:25.080 You know, it's like, oh, we don't need this in 1:13:25.080 --> 1:13:26.320 our schools and our homes and like. 1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:28.679 And not only that, the pipeline's not even coming to Sency, 1:13:28.800 --> 1:13:32.439 it's going somewhere else. Well, yeah, that's how it works. 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:33.640 It's a pipeline. 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:34.840 You know. 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:36.640 I wonder if somebody said, hey, listen, I don't want 1:13:36.640 --> 1:13:39.160 the pipeline coming through our neighborhood because well, let's going 1:13:39.200 --> 1:13:41.240 to Cincinnati. I don't live in Cincinnati. I live in 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:43.519 Iowa or whatever. It's well, yeah, it doesn't work that way. 1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:46.360 It's a it's a network, and it's far cheaper and 1:13:46.600 --> 1:13:50.400 easier and safer, generally speaking, to transfer stuffvia pipeline than 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:53.439 it is on trucks and freight. It's also better for 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:55.360 the environment for that matter. But you know, we want 1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:57.240 to use it, we don't want it. It's the same 1:13:57.320 --> 1:14:00.160 as you pointed out, David Holt, president of consc Our 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:04.200 Energy Alliance, the ongoing demand for data in AI. You know, 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:06.679 here in Ohio we are I think we're number top five, 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:10.040 uh for new data centers in AI, and they're putting 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:11.960 more in. I think we've got a battle here locally 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:15.360 over three or four I believe, uh, facilities where neighbors 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:17.200 are questioning, and it has to do with a couple 1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:19.000 of things. One of them is water and the amount 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:20.840 of water that they need to cool things. But also 1:14:20.840 --> 1:14:24.160 it's a tremendous amount of energy and resources these things 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:27.400 take up, and that that's straining our system here to 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:30.000 the point where, well, you know, people are out there 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:31.760 fighting it, but I don't know if they're going to 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:33.960 wind up changing anyone's mind. At some point they're going 1:14:34.040 --> 1:14:36.880 to go in uh And and the amount of power 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:40.040 that these things need is an incredible amount. We're still 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:42.360 getting them from larger the same the same source, the 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:45.599 same power plants aren't and that's the problem. 1:14:45.840 --> 1:14:47.920 Yeah, we are, and we need to expand some of those. 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:49.800 We need to build out new power plants. Some of 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:52.280 these data centers are looking at their own power that's 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:55.360 kind of not on the grid, maybe loosely connected to 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:59.080 the grid. All these things are moving very quickly, you know. 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:01.080 One of the things I do I am a little 1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:03.439 concerned about. We have a lot of federal leadership in 1:15:03.439 --> 1:15:05.439 this area. We have a lot of state leadership in 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:10.600 Ohio and other states on data centers, but that conversation 1:15:10.680 --> 1:15:12.960 at the local level about what the benefits are, the 1:15:13.040 --> 1:15:16.559 tax benefits, the long term job implications, what it means 1:15:16.560 --> 1:15:18.280 to the United States, all those things. 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:18.639 I think. 1:15:20.080 --> 1:15:23.040 I think industry and governments and policymakers could probably do 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:26.240 a better job of explaining some of this to local 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:29.840 communities and let them know what the benefits are for them. 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:32.320 And so that's something that needs to occur, needs to 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:34.600 occur quickly. Everyone kind of needs to get on the 1:15:34.600 --> 1:15:37.840 same page because we don't have a choice. We really 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:39.559 don't as a nation, we do not have a choice. 1:15:39.760 --> 1:15:44.000 We absolutely have to expand our power generation and our 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:46.840 infrastructure in order to get that power where it needs 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:50.520 to be, or days like today and yesterday and tomorrow 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:54.439 might not be as good stories next time through as 1:15:54.479 --> 1:15:56.400 they were hopefully as times well. 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:58.720 Additionally, where it's really hitting is at our wallets. You know, 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:01.599 weren't a really bad cold snap again here in our 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:03.320 area as we speak right now with all the snow 1:16:03.360 --> 1:16:06.040 behind us. Now we get bitterly cold temperatures way till 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:08.439 that Duke bill comes, will that energy bill comes, people 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:11.519 lose their minds because it is so high and rightly so, 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:13.960 that is all because of what we're talking about here. 1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:16.280 Absolutely right, absolutely right. 1:16:16.320 --> 1:16:20.080 Affordability, energy affordability and reliability, which to really talking about 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.639 both of them, and we're what we've actually seen, Scott, 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:26.920 is that there's a big difference between you know, I 1:16:26.960 --> 1:16:28.640 hate to put politics on this, but there's a big 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:31.040 difference between how the Red states and the Blue states 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:33.680 have handled their energy policy over the last you know, 1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:37.760 ten to fifteen years and on. By and large, we're 1:16:37.760 --> 1:16:41.599 seeing Blue states California and New York, Massachusetts, Illinois are 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:46.360 paying more for energy than Red states Ohio, Texas, and others. 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:49.479 Those states that have adopted a kind of balance all 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:54.080 the above approach, making sure that we're cheaping up as 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:58.719 best we can with grid expansion and natural gas pipeline expansion, 1:16:58.800 --> 1:17:02.639 things like that, those states are seeing their customers paying 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.320 left for energy than some of those. 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:07.559 Big blue states that have adopted kind. 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:13.080 Of you know, draconian mandate restrictions ban certain forms of energy, 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:16.559 you know, kind of picked winners and losers. Uh, those 1:17:16.560 --> 1:17:19.680 states are finding that their energy is more expensive. So 1:17:19.760 --> 1:17:22.960 that's a that's an interesting development we're seeing. And we're 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:25.000 also seeing some of those blue states start to correct 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:28.599 their uh, their their their their pathways here a little 1:17:28.640 --> 1:17:30.640 bit and add natural gas back to mix and make 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:31.320 sure they have enough. 1:17:31.479 --> 1:17:32.040 Well, it's funny. 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:35.200 As much as the Blue skates States scream about diversity, 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:39.280 they they don't have it when it comes to energy. 1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:42.640 That's that's correct, and we really need diverse energy is 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:45.639 really showing itself to be uh, the path. 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:46.040 Forward for us. 1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:46.200 All. 1:17:46.479 --> 1:17:48.600 Yeah, whatever works for you. On that note too, This 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:51.920 always is a head scratcher to me. Is everywhere else 1:17:51.920 --> 1:17:54.719 in the United States. You know, it's electric, it's natural gas. 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:58.000 New England is still i think dependent on like a 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:00.840 third of them still oil fire jit power generating people 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:03.680 like still doing heating oil. What is it about the 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:05.880 Northeast and heating oil? 1:18:06.200 --> 1:18:09.360 You know, it's it's just kind of a vestiage of 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:11.200 a day gone by. I mean there's a lot of 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:13.719 those heating oil tanks that are still attached to homes 1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:17.120 all over the Northeast that that you know, they go 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.719 and they fill up their their big tank with heating 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:21.280 oil once a month or once a quarter. 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:23.360 Uh. And that's that's the system. 1:18:23.439 --> 1:18:25.040 Like, I think it's a old less than a third 1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:28.679 now it is declining as new homes are being built, 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:31.080 but some of those older homes are still using that 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:31.679 heating oil. 1:18:31.760 --> 1:18:32.080 Yes, sir. 1:18:32.520 --> 1:18:37.519 Yeah, it's funny because the house at my son and 1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:40.400 my daughter now rents, and initially when we bought it, 1:18:41.080 --> 1:18:42.960 this is where my workshop is, about a mile from 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:45.320 my house. It's all good, but it had heating oil. Like, 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.080 oh okay, we'll give this guts kind of whole school 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:49.040 at the tank in the basement, had that bad boy 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:52.800 filled up one winner and said nope, we're I'm gonna go. 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:55.280 There's no natural gas there, but we're gonna use electric 1:18:55.280 --> 1:18:57.920 because it's even electric as expensive is is still cheaper 1:18:57.920 --> 1:18:58.599 than heating oil. 1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:02.840 I think that's one of the cases. And you know 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:07.240 it's yeah, it's it's. 1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:09.400 Harder to move around, it is more expensive to really 1:19:09.439 --> 1:19:12.280 hit that pocket look at one time, you know, and 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:14.840 you want to balance out some of the environmental considerations 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:17.120 and other things. So it's it's one of those things 1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:21.920 that's slowly, I think, being transitioned out. But you know, 1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:23.800 several million folks still use it. 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:25.960 I suppose maybe you live somewhere in the rural areas 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:27.800 where you don't do that, that'd be the way to go, 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:30.200 I guess, But you know, most of us are kind 1:19:30.200 --> 1:19:32.120 of on the grid. Right now he's David Hole, President 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:34.240 of the Consumer Energy Aligance. With the big storm and 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:36.559 now the big cold coming, we're talking about the stress 1:19:36.640 --> 1:19:38.840 on our power good at this point I've mentioned the 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:41.720 other guests, maybe yourself. It doesn't seem like we're going 1:19:41.800 --> 1:19:44.240 to have a I don't know, like a moon shot 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:46.799 type of thing like Kennedy did in the nineteen sixties 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:48.080 to get a man on the moon, and we're going 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:50.960 to are pushed for, you know, the COVID vaccine right away. 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:54.000 We got to get our best minds on things. It 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:58.080 seems like we're waiting for some sort of either climate 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:01.360 or energy nine to eleven to occur, some sort of 1:20:01.439 --> 1:20:06.200 major outage catastrophe before we do anything in this country. Well, 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:08.519 we solve this problem before it comes to that. 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:12.599 Well, you know, I think the interesting thing is that 1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:15.840 the president and this administration did declare a national energy 1:20:15.880 --> 1:20:19.759 emergency on day one when they took office. So there's 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.640 already kind of I think a recognition that listen, we 1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:27.320 need this country runs on energy. Let's get at the time, 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:30.000 we had high inflation, we had a very high gasoline prices, 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:32.240 we had a higher energy prices. When the president this 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:36.720 administrations of office. So they've really worked at removing some 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:41.040 regulatory red tape, getting development going again, starting to get 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:43.759 the infrastructure situation under control. 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:45.439 But more needs to be done. 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:48.920 There's a lot more state authority over this needs to 1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:50.960 stay needed to get serious about it. 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:53.760 And yes, I. 1:20:53.880 --> 1:20:56.679 Certainly see a situation where we can find ourselves well 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.600 behind the curve. We kind of already are scott Yeah, 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:01.680 but we don't want to get in a situation where 1:21:01.680 --> 1:21:06.439 it's a dire emergency and you have forced brownouts, force 1:21:06.520 --> 1:21:10.439 blackouts and these extreme weather that's just because policy and 1:21:10.600 --> 1:21:14.040 development is not keeping up with the need. And that's 1:21:14.200 --> 1:21:17.479 very much a situation we can find ourselves in if 1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:20.519 our political leadership doesn't just kind of figure out ways 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:22.560 to get rid of the red tape, get out of 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:27.240 the way, let development occur, let energy resources come online, 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:30.679 making sure that we're able to meet this basic demand, 1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:36.600 which is unprecedented. It's unprecedented in our history. So we 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:39.240 are we are in a situation where, like you said, 1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:41.120 we need to make sure we're paying attention to this 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:44.800 and we don't let it become this dire emergency. And 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:49.120 sometimes this nation, our political leadership seems to function in 1:21:49.160 --> 1:21:49.960 an emergency. 1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:52.040 I certainly hope that doesn't have. 1:21:52.080 --> 1:21:56.120 A crisis management. But yeah, what are the areas that 1:21:56.320 --> 1:21:58.240 we went heard in some while? Like California is known 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:00.800 for the rolling brownouts because the grid, hey we go, 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:03.360 We're gonna turn your electricity down. Haven't heard that much 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.200 lately about that. Is that because they've changed it, or 1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:08.240 is it simply not news anymore? What's going on there? 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:12.400 You know, they've done some things to improve their grid. 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:17.160 They had some situations where they for so called environmental reasons, 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:20.160 they weren't clear cutting some trees around power lines and 1:22:20.200 --> 1:22:23.400 things like that, so that was creating somep some fires 1:22:23.439 --> 1:22:27.120 with power lines, and that then forced some rolling brownouts 1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:28.280 and blackouts. 1:22:28.960 --> 1:22:29.680 We haven't heard it. 1:22:29.720 --> 1:22:33.120 We certainly, knock on Wood have not heard that situation 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:39.320 during this storm. But the prospects are real. The strain 1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:43.720 on grids in the Northeast in New York and the Pjam, 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:46.719 which is kind of the mid Atlantic Midwest area, parts 1:22:46.720 --> 1:22:51.680 of Ohio, Urcott Handles, Texas. All these grid managers are 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:57.559 crying for help, crying about the strain on the grid, 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:04.000 crying about more needs, more needs and limited demand, our 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:07.800 limited supply and capacity also has an impact on that 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:10.479 price situation, particularly in some of the states that have 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:15.200 not been as thoughtful in their interview qualify together. 1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:18.240 Yeah, the generation is one thing, but the transmission that's 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:20.040 a hard part, right is getting it from point A 1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:22.880 to point B. You mentioned pipelines, but also utility lines 1:23:22.880 --> 1:23:26.080 for that matter. Overhead underground wires has to do with 1:23:26.200 --> 1:23:29.280 going across land and eminent domain, which people fight against 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.439 them like. It takes a long time to do that. 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:32.960 You know, back in the day you could just string 1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:36.000 string lines up all over the place, and there's easements 1:23:36.000 --> 1:23:38.360 of course built in as well. That's also part of 1:23:38.360 --> 1:23:42.080 the problem too, is getting new networks up and getting 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:44.320 new wires in the sky, so to speak. 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:47.799 Yes, yes, and what you know, there's there's a pretty 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:52.519 robust pipeline and transmission line system in this country. I 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:55.200 think we have about five million miles of pipelines in 1:23:55.240 --> 1:23:59.559 the country just for natural gas alone, non including oil, gasoline, diesel, 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:02.200 some of the other pipeline. So a lot of these 1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:05.880 areas already have rights of way, and you can expand 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:08.920 on those current rights away or ad transmission to an 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:11.960 already existing pipeline right away. So a lot of that is, 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:17.080 you know, in play. But yet you still have these groups, 1:24:17.160 --> 1:24:21.799 these you know, professional agitators out there that protests energy development, 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:25.720 protests kind of any sort of industrial development, and and 1:24:25.880 --> 1:24:29.360 that needs to end the days of the professional protester 1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:35.200 where they're just out creating fear, creating obstacles, creating situations 1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:38.080 where we're going to have limited supply or higher prices. 1:24:38.760 --> 1:24:41.040 We've got to get past that and kind of call 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:43.680 out these groups for what they are while at the 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:47.680 same time listening to legitimate concerns of local citizens and communities. 1:24:47.720 --> 1:24:48.639 You know, that's balid. 1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:50.719 We're doing that now with the AI and data centers. 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:52.599 Listen to the local community going hey, we're worried about 1:24:53.000 --> 1:24:55.160 our ground water and running out of water and put 1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:58.120 natural resources and they stress and strain, and those are 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:00.000 legitimate if they're going to put it in your community, 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:02.080 be for sure. But we all demand these things. I 1:25:02.080 --> 1:25:03.439 guess that's the NIMBI part. 1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:04.120 Uh. 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:06.840 But it's kind of funny the environmental protesters, as you 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:09.160 mentioned out there, they're grandparents are the ones who fought 1:25:09.160 --> 1:25:12.360 against nuclear and now these people, now this generation is 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:16.080 saying what about nuclear. It's well, you know what, let's 1:25:16.120 --> 1:25:18.000 quit fighting on's lean into this stuff? 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:20.000 Shall we exactly? 1:25:20.200 --> 1:25:20.360 You know? 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.919 The funny thing is it's not your grandfather's nuclear industry 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:27.799 or either it's it's very different. These things called small 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:32.599 modular actors. It's part of a whole advanced technology, uh 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:37.639 nuclear industry. That's that's that that doesn't really create any weight. 1:25:38.439 --> 1:25:38.719 Uh. 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:42.519 If they're they're they're modular, they're smaller. You can stack 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:44.800 them next to each other to kind of build out 1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:45.560 more capacity. 1:25:46.160 --> 1:25:46.280 UH. 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:50.839 Really interesting fascinating technology now and a lot. 1:25:50.640 --> 1:25:52.120 Of states, a lot of local communities. 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:55.080 You're looking at it, you know, and it's clean, it's 1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:57.439 always available, what to build it out, uh. 1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:58.599 To be around for a long time. 1:25:58.680 --> 1:26:00.840 It's one of those things that we're we're gonna need 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:05.160 because it's a dispatchable base load power like natural gas, 1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:08.439 so it's not intermittent like wind and solar. Wind and 1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:11.960 so over have good application pticularly solar, but you've got 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:14.080 to have that baseload power, which is going to come 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:17.440 largely from natural gas and pretty soon here nuclear. 1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:20.280 And one hundred years will go on Amazon and buy 1:26:20.320 --> 1:26:23.439 a shoebox size and a replacement cartridge for your whole 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:26.120 home power. You'll swap out the other one, send it 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.200 in and it'll be in its own little million nuclear 1:26:28.200 --> 1:26:30.479 plant inside your own home, or at least in your 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:32.200 own community. It seems like it's going to go and 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:32.960 should go that way. 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:38.760 We're heading the days of the flex capacitor. Capacitor, absolutely capacitor. 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:41.080 If you get a doloreate, you get a Dolorian, and 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:44.519 you get a doloren. He is David Holds, Consumer Energy Aligned. 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:47.040 Thanks again, always appreciate the insight. 1:26:47.120 --> 1:26:47.439 Be well. 1:26:48.560 --> 1:26:50.960 Got YouTube they say, stay warm, talk soon. 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:53.559 All right, there you go, David, thanks again, appreciate it. 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:55.800 Let me get a news update in here momentarily on 1:26:55.840 --> 1:26:59.519 seven hundred WW whin or return James Repeat is here. 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:02.200 We'll talk little championship weekend action. The Super bo Bowl 1:27:02.280 --> 1:27:05.679 matchup is set. The second game was very very exciting 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:08.160 first get me somewhat exciting as well despite the you know, 1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:10.080 the weather moving in too as well. But it is 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:13.840 New England at Seattle and Rapine from Bengals Talk dot com. 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:16.600 We'll talk about that matchup next seven hundred. 1:27:16.360 --> 1:27:17.160 W WELW. 1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:21.719 And of course digging out as we speak. And yesterday 1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:24.040 was a great day with the big store moving in 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:26.200 to watch some flip. That was a perfect day yesterday, 1:27:26.200 --> 1:27:28.759 No excuse to go outside, you know, get you a bullet, 1:27:28.800 --> 1:27:29.479 ships or whatever. 1:27:29.520 --> 1:27:30.080 Your jam is. 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:36.240 Made some sauce yesterday Littlefi's macaroni perfect and watched the 1:27:36.320 --> 1:27:38.400 two games. And now we're down to the Super bowls 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:41.559 New England and Seattle. James Rapeena is here from SI 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:45.640 Bengals Talk and Locked on Bengals Podcast. Bengals not in 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:48.559 the Super Bowl, but there's hope for next year. We 1:27:48.600 --> 1:27:51.160 shall see. It's New England and its Seattle. James, welcome, 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:51.519 hy Ben. 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:53.679 I'd been great. 1:27:53.760 --> 1:27:56.360 It's got a little snowed in, but you're right, yesterday 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:57.519 it was a great day for football. 1:27:57.600 --> 1:27:59.840 Yeah, there's no excuse to guy like what I'm gonna do? 1:27:59.880 --> 1:28:02.720 I I said around watch football. Damn I hate my life. Yeah, 1:28:02.720 --> 1:28:06.800 it was awesome. It was absolutely awesome. And you know, 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:09.200 between bouts and shoveling, Yeah. 1:28:09.320 --> 1:28:10.719 I want some more games today. 1:28:10.880 --> 1:28:11.519 The way you're. 1:28:11.360 --> 1:28:14.080 Saying, I know, I know, it's like there's something to watch. 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:17.920 This is this is wonderful. It's nirvana. Let's jump into 1:28:17.920 --> 1:28:20.280 that first game there. New England beats Denver on the 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:23.839 road ten to seven in what turned into a blizzard 1:28:23.880 --> 1:28:25.760 in the fourth quarter. I've never seen that much snow 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:27.360 come down that quickly in an NFL game. 1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:33.439 I can't believe how quickly did that changed. And I 1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:38.719 tweeted something in the second quarter and and mentioned, man, 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:41.320 why is it colder in Cincinnati? And why did it 1:28:41.439 --> 1:28:44.800 feel and look colder in Cincinnati than it doesn't in Colorado? Yep, 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:47.360 like this shouldn't be the case, right, And then by 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:51.200 the fourth quarter, it's like the winter gods saw my 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:54.920 tweet and said, oh, you think it's colder there, and 1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:56.639 snow started coming down. 1:28:56.680 --> 1:28:56.800 Now. 1:28:57.000 --> 1:28:59.479 I thought it was a really cool way for the game. 1:28:59.560 --> 1:29:01.120 Go of all, think that might have been the most 1:29:01.120 --> 1:29:04.360 interesting thing about the game. No one scored essentially in 1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:06.560 the entire second half. It was pretty boring from a 1:29:06.600 --> 1:29:09.040 scoring perspective, but entertaining, no doubt. 1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:11.519 Yeah, and two teams that are used to dealing with 1:29:11.560 --> 1:29:13.360 the snow, especially in New England, they thought right at 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:15.559 home in this whole thing. And yeah, the weather did 1:29:15.640 --> 1:29:18.759 change things. The kicking game, for example, really really changed 1:29:18.760 --> 1:29:21.479 the outcome of this whole thing. But you look at 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:24.160 the New England Patriots managing just four first downs, and 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:26.960 I think seventy two yards. In the first half, they've 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:28.720 kept punning, they missed the field goal, it was off. 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.559 He thought, man, they're going to get trucked by Denver 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:34.240 and that did not happen. What happened in the second half. 1:29:34.240 --> 1:29:35.559 How did the Patriots turn it around? 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:36.920 Yeah? 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:41.240 I think a big thing that has sort of gone 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:44.719 into the radar. I guess with New England and might 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:48.840 going into Super Bowl sixty, their defense is real and 1:29:49.200 --> 1:29:51.320 that's where it starts. I mean, they can win these 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:55.200 smash mout ugly games and if that's how they have 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:59.040 to play, they can play it. And a guy that's 1:29:59.520 --> 1:30:02.920 looking back at previous Bengals drafts will be would look 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:05.800 really good in stripes. And instead the Bengals traded down 1:30:05.840 --> 1:30:09.960 with the Patriots in twenty twenty one when Christian Barmore 1:30:10.080 --> 1:30:12.200 was on the board in the second round. But he's 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:15.479 a really good defensive tackle, and I think that day 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:17.560 is they're like, Okay, well this is going to be 1:30:17.560 --> 1:30:21.360 an ugly game. The weather's change, and what we need 1:30:21.400 --> 1:30:23.120 to do is take care of the football with our 1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:27.719 young quarterback and we'll win ugly. And I do wonder 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:30.200 what it would have looked like if bo Nicks were 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:34.599 able to play for Denver. But this Patriots defense, now 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:37.360 for two weeks in a row, has done its job, 1:30:37.439 --> 1:30:40.920 and what it's done is then allowed or allowed as 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:45.760 Drake May to play as these things as you can 1:30:46.160 --> 1:30:48.280 when you're on the road and you're trying to squeak 1:30:48.320 --> 1:30:50.760 out a victory and they only put up ten points, 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:52.519 but it was enough, and I think the de defense 1:30:52.600 --> 1:30:53.599 deserves a ton of credit. 1:30:53.720 --> 1:30:56.240 Yeah, and May what eighty six yards passing and that 1:30:56.240 --> 1:30:59.120 that weather, but sixty eight yards rushing that touchdown? You 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:01.320 see that we were in that seven uh about seven 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:03.960 yards when he needed five first down and they sealed 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:05.439 the game at that point too. He won that game 1:31:05.439 --> 1:31:07.360 on his legs was all it was. As much the passing, 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:09.320 it was him running well. 1:31:09.600 --> 1:31:12.200 And that's it is when I mentioned the decision making, 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:16.040 he's making really good decisions and not forcing it and 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:19.400 not feeling like he needed to put on the superhero cape. 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:23.439 And the reason he felt that way, I think it's 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:26.880 just how this team is built and how they they're 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:29.479 they're able to play, and that's that's the heck of 1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:31.960 the thing for a young quarterback, because he is capable 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:34.280 and we've seen it. I think he's going to be 1:31:34.320 --> 1:31:37.280 second in m VP. Maybe he wins it, but he 1:31:38.040 --> 1:31:40.479 is capable of winning these shootouts and putting up huge 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:43.400 points in numbers and back and forth games. It wasn't 1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:47.240 that wasn't to be that type of game, and so 1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:49.679 they play the other way and they're capable of winning 1:31:49.720 --> 1:31:51.040 that way as well. But you're right, he made some 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:54.559 good decisions, some big first downs that he puts up 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:56.200 down the sheds to feel the victory. 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:56.439 Yeah. 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:59.360 Boenix breaks his ankle in the last game against the Bills, 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:03.720 gonna last play. They put Jared Stidham in at quarterback 1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:05.720 and they were building him to say, no, he's our guy. 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:07.000 He's going to be great. He's going to be great. 1:32:07.000 --> 1:32:09.400 He's the future. He's going to be great. Looked really, 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:12.519 really good. I think he started oh for three, but 1:32:12.560 --> 1:32:15.519 then that past the Mims fifty two year bomb down 1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:19.920 the middle, he hits Courtland Sutland on the score, Denver's up. 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.559 The New England Pagers look into fishing like wow, the 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:25.960 backup may go and wind up playing in a super 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:29.000 Bowl at this point not to be, because he had 1:32:29.000 --> 1:32:31.360 that backwards pass and a turnover, laid eye and tea 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:34.479 and this is why you're the backup. And it's also 1:32:34.600 --> 1:32:36.479 you know, again, he may be great at some point 1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:38.400 in the future, but you just can't throw a guy 1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:40.400 in with no reps in the season and expect him 1:32:40.400 --> 1:32:42.720 to beat a team that's fighting for Super Bowl birth. 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:47.360 Yeah, I think. I also think yesterday is why Sean 1:32:47.439 --> 1:32:49.479 Payton has struggled in the playoffs. Yeah, and that's what 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:50.679 he that's what he's done. 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:51.639 Like this idea. 1:32:51.840 --> 1:32:53.920 There are a lot of people today and you're didn't 1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:57.280 ask me about the Steelers, okay, that are laughing at 1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:01.160 Mike McCarthy in that fience. Mike McCarthy's been just as 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:03.799 good as the playoffs as John Payton likes. This idea 1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:07.080 that Sean Payton, who they had a chance to go 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:09.160 up ten nothing, they don't kick the field goal. There 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:11.400 felt like a mistake in the moment. It felt like 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:13.880 they were kind of scratching and calling to get down 1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:16.960 the field where you get a two yard scramble and 1:33:17.000 --> 1:33:21.120 then a quick outpass and it's third down. You don't 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:23.680 get it because your quarterback comes up short take the 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:26.400 points and he didn't take the point. And I think 1:33:26.439 --> 1:33:28.400 that's where the momentum of that game changed. If it 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.680 was ten to nothing at that point, it would have 1:33:30.680 --> 1:33:33.720 felt a bit different than that New England defense that 1:33:33.800 --> 1:33:36.120 I mentioned made a few plays and it was like, 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:38.519 all right, well, where's our offense going to come from? 1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:40.000 And I know they had the missfield goal in the 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:42.640 fourth quarter. I get that, by the way, whether it 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:47.040 was an issue, but it doesn't matter. I think winning 1:33:47.080 --> 1:33:52.280 coaches make winning decisions. And maybe Sean Payton needs to 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:53.800 look in the mirror a little bit because I was 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:56.160 just thinking back through his Saints days and he had 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:59.240 a lot of heartbreaking playoff losses and they were in 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:02.599 position yesterday to beat New England with Jarret Sidham, and 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:04.959 I think the head coach needed to be a good better. 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:05.599 Yeah, all right. 1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:08.000 So when New England advances to the Super Bowl to 1:34:08.080 --> 1:34:10.880 face the Seahawks in the late game, who beat the 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:15.559 Rams thirty one, twenty seven and third meeting the camp, 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:18.240 it's been it's been at that season, right, third time 1:34:18.280 --> 1:34:21.680 they met this season and Rams felt Seattle in the 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:24.000 week sixteen, they lost the number one seed in the NFC. 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:27.160 They fire their special teams coordinator Sean McVay makes the 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:29.720 movie says well, you know what, We've got to fix 1:34:29.760 --> 1:34:31.759 this problem. We need to fix it right now heading 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:35.120 into the playoffs. But of course yesterday it was Xavier 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:37.320 Smith's muff punt early in the third quarter led to 1:34:37.320 --> 1:34:40.320 that Seahawks touchdown. They went up twenty four to thirteen, 1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:43.280 I believe at that point and never looked back. So 1:34:43.320 --> 1:34:46.320 it did come down with special teams after all. 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:47.920 Yeah, it did. 1:34:48.080 --> 1:34:52.960 And that's it's wild to me that we keep having 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:58.600 these conversations with about the Rams and man for me, 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:03.479 from my money to envy quarterback in Matt Stafford, Yvanta Adams, 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:07.679 Kuka Nukua, Kobe Parkinson making plays, multiple running backs making 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:10.599 plays on defense. This isn't the Bengals now on defense, 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:15.920 they got some playmakers and so for them, it's been 1:35:15.960 --> 1:35:18.519 special teams all year and for that to be the 1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:21.479 case again, it's just that's a brutal way to lose. 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:26.040 At the same time, I think the Seattle Seahawks deserves 1:35:26.040 --> 1:35:30.240 so much credit because they they're winning with playmakers on defense. 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:33.799 They have a lot of fun, explosive players on offense 1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:38.200 led by Jackson Smith and Jigba and yeah, I just 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:43.040 two really fun teams. And now what's interesting to me 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:47.760 it can Sam Darnold be the first quarterback from that 1:35:47.800 --> 1:35:51.200 twenty eighteen class of quarterbacks in that draft to win 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:51.880 a Super Bowl. 1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:53.679 No one would have thought that a few years. 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:56.280 Ago, and he's sixteen minutes away from doing it, which 1:35:56.360 --> 1:35:59.360 is just wild. It is it's a lot of the seton. 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:01.600 Yeah, it really is incredible. 1:36:02.479 --> 1:36:04.320 And it looked like, you know, Matthew Stafford, he was 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:07.400 just running the first half and they I again, tall 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:09.519 the two halves, right. It was just it was that, well, 1:36:09.560 --> 1:36:11.240 he's picking up part. I mean, the energy was so 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:15.360 much much better. But eventually the Seahawks top ranked scoring defense, 1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:17.519 top the Rams. They did that on what fourth and 1:36:17.520 --> 1:36:19.800 goal from the six yard line with about five minutes left. 1:36:20.560 --> 1:36:23.040 Witherspoon broke up that pass and Stafford passed in the 1:36:23.120 --> 1:36:25.560 end zone and sealed the game for the Seahawks. You know, 1:36:25.600 --> 1:36:27.240 we always talk about, well, you know, it's a different 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:30.760 NFL today, James. It's you know, defense doesn't win championships. 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:33.200 I don't know New England and Seattle looks like their 1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:34.440 defense won championships. 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:39.560 You need your defense to be able to make plays, 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:41.639 you know. In Seattle, I mean they gave up twenty 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:45.080 seven points. It's not like they were perfect, but nicking 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:47.920 and worry. You saw him that rookie Stacy is all 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:51.720 over the field making plays and in that series is 1:36:51.760 --> 1:36:54.400 your right. You need guys that are going to be 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:57.680 able to make plays in critical, critical situations, because that's 1:36:57.720 --> 1:36:59.320 what these games come down to. And if you think 1:36:59.320 --> 1:37:01.800 about it a few years ago during the Bengals run, 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:05.040 that's what happened. Jesseic Bates made a play. Logan Wilson 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:07.120 made a play, Jermaine Pratt made a play like that, 1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:09.720 That's what it comes down to. Larry Ogan Jovi made 1:37:09.720 --> 1:37:13.400 a play like These are the games where it comes 1:37:13.439 --> 1:37:15.559 down to one thing here, one thing there, and it's 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:18.479 the difference between winning and losing. And these are two 1:37:18.479 --> 1:37:24.360 really good teams with good, good, well rounded rosters. That's 1:37:24.360 --> 1:37:26.320 how I would describe it. Because I look at the 1:37:26.320 --> 1:37:29.599 Patriots and they don't have the most firepower, but they 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:32.800 have weapons. The Seahawks have a ton of firepower. I 1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:35.200 would say Tennis Walker, Jack and Smith and Jigwa, they 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:37.519 cherry per Rashid Shaheed like, they have a lot of 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:43.320 fun weapons. But both defenses are are about that. That 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:46.160 play style as well and they can win with defense, 1:37:46.200 --> 1:37:49.360 which is certainly something the Bengals can't pay in recent seasons. 1:37:50.720 --> 1:37:53.160 It will come back to the It won't come back 1:37:53.200 --> 1:37:55.880 to the Bengals. In just a second here, I'll close that, 1:37:56.000 --> 1:37:59.320 but I you look at you, guys. Matthew Stafford had 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:03.160 an unbelievable game yesterday. Sam Donald even much better than that. 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:04.960 But the other guy out there that was almost the 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:09.599 single handed undoing of the Seahawks was Pooking Akua, second 1:38:09.680 --> 1:38:11.840 leading receiver during the regular season, one hundred and sixty 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:16.120 five yards in a touchdown yesterday, and Seattle had a really, 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:19.080 really hard time stopping him when it mattered. It seemed 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:21.080 like every big play he was a guy catching that 1:38:21.120 --> 1:38:22.480 touchdown was unbelievable. 1:38:23.680 --> 1:38:25.479 Does does anyone to have a guy? I don't think 1:38:25.479 --> 1:38:25.680 they do. 1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:27.680 I mean, he got Steph Diggs, you got Booty, you 1:38:27.760 --> 1:38:32.160 got Mac Collins. I don't see that level of player 1:38:32.240 --> 1:38:34.040 on New England. I think they have a much easier 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:36.920 time with the Patriots than they did LA. Would you agree, 1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:38.440 at least when it comes to receiver. 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:39.960 Well, for sure. 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:40.400 Yeah. 1:38:40.640 --> 1:38:44.919 With receiving talent, I mean Jackson Smith and jiglits so awesome. 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:47.960 I mean, he's just he's one of the best in 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:51.880 the game. And by way, so it was pooking Nakua 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:53.719 because you got to deal with him as a blocker. 1:38:53.960 --> 1:38:57.080 He's Pookakua is like Jackson Smith and jiggu in a 1:38:57.080 --> 1:38:59.959 lot of ways, and Mac Collins. He blocked like Mac Collins, 1:39:00.840 --> 1:39:03.000 but he could run out and make plays like Jackson's 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:07.080 a Jigits a really unique combo for Puka and so yeah, 1:39:07.200 --> 1:39:10.840 I think from a skill talent standpoint, the edge would 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:12.559 have gone to the Rams. And if you're Seattle, you're 1:39:12.560 --> 1:39:15.719 gonna look at that day all that's interesting. Now what's 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:19.760 unique here is Drake May and his ability to make 1:39:19.840 --> 1:39:24.920 plays and his offensive coordinator in Josh Daniel. He's been there, 1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:27.559 done that with Tom Brady and so he's gonna have 1:39:27.680 --> 1:39:34.160 Drake May ready to go. And yes, overall though on paper, 1:39:34.200 --> 1:39:36.679 outside of probably Hunter Henry, I think he's an underrated 1:39:36.720 --> 1:39:39.240 tight end that the skill guys, you would give the 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:43.080 edge to the Rams, which means what it means that 1:39:43.080 --> 1:39:44.759 New England's going to have to win in other ways 1:39:44.880 --> 1:39:48.040 and including the trenches and their offensive line has gotten 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:50.879 beat up a little bit really since playing the Bengals 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:54.200 in November, and so we'll see if if the two 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:57.400 week break helps them against a really good in talent 1:39:57.520 --> 1:39:58.680 in Seattle defense. 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:01.040 Well, I just don't see Seattle doesn't win this thing. 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:02.040 I really don't. At this point. 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:04.800 Things could change the next couple of weeks. And of 1:40:04.880 --> 1:40:07.519 course he got Mike Vrabel has two weeks to strategize here. 1:40:07.560 --> 1:40:12.720 But man, Seattle just comes at you. 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:15.439 And the key would be Sam that you get after 1:40:15.479 --> 1:40:18.479 Sam Donald, you rattle head for him to not be 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:20.320 able to dump it off to Kenneth Walker for eleven 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:25.440 yards right on first and ten, like the key moment yesterday. 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:28.360 The Rams they fail on that fourth down and Kenneth 1:40:28.360 --> 1:40:31.040 Walker breaks two tackles, makes those linebackers look like they're 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:35.000 running in Cincinnati snow. And you get the first down 1:40:35.080 --> 1:40:37.840 like that. That can't be your drive starter. And so 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:39.479 that's what I would say is take away some of 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:42.559 these easy answers, easy throws that Sam Donald has easier 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:45.320 said than done. But him do that, then maybe maybe 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:48.280 he gives you an opportunity or two for big turnovers. 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:50.720 If you're the Bengals, James, real quick, what are you 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:53.000 looking at? What these the two teams that just played 1:40:53.040 --> 1:40:54.759 this particularly in the AFC. 1:40:54.920 --> 1:40:57.120 I guess because that's our path. 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:00.160 You look at New England, you look at Denver, or 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:01.880 what do the Bengals need to look? 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:03.040 Okay, that's the future. 1:41:03.560 --> 1:41:05.760 How do we take what they're doing and move it 1:41:05.800 --> 1:41:07.800 up a level for next season because they're always leveling 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:08.719 up season season. 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:10.800 Yeah, well. 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:15.400 You certainly need Like when you think of the Bengals defense, 1:41:17.040 --> 1:41:19.919 what do you think of, Like, it's either it's probably 1:41:19.960 --> 1:41:20.320 not good. 1:41:20.320 --> 1:41:22.679 Awful is what I think of, just awful the worst. 1:41:23.880 --> 1:41:27.120 And you don't think of like individual players, like any 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:29.720 of the defenses that played yesterday, they are a specific 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:32.920 guy that I think of like, oh, if they play well, 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:34.800 this guy's going to be making plays or that guy's 1:41:34.800 --> 1:41:37.479 going to be making plays. And the Bengals they don't 1:41:37.479 --> 1:41:40.160 necessarily have that. But I think the first thing is 1:41:40.200 --> 1:41:43.040 you got to find an identity, find someone that you 1:41:43.040 --> 1:41:46.120 could build around. And maybe that's a safety, maybe it's 1:41:46.160 --> 1:41:48.640 a linebacker. Ideally it would be a pass rusher. I 1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:51.479 think that's hard to find, but that's what they need, 1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:55.559 is to find a defensive identity and once you get 1:41:55.760 --> 1:41:57.920 one or two playmakers that you can start to build 1:41:57.920 --> 1:42:02.840 around then it does come together, right, and it's it's 1:42:02.880 --> 1:42:05.439 hard to do that at one specific position if you're 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:08.559 just targeting one. The good news is, to be quite 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:11.599 Frank Scott, if they suck everywhere, so they can take 1:42:11.640 --> 1:42:16.719 that playmaker at any spot. Safety, linebacker doesn't matter, right, 1:42:16.840 --> 1:42:18.120 So that would. 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:18.599 Be my boo. 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:20.600 The Bengals just find that playmaker. 1:42:20.760 --> 1:42:22.320 Seems like a long way to go to get where 1:42:22.320 --> 1:42:26.160 those two teams are, but who knows. James Rapine always 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:28.519 been a fun my brand. I appreciate you. Let's talk. 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:30.559 Maybe we'll talk about the Friday before the Super Bowl. 1:42:31.840 --> 1:42:35.240 That sounds great to me. I what's a tougher task 1:42:35.600 --> 1:42:37.960 rebuilding the Bengals defense or shoveling the drive. 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:43.360 Shoveling the driveway. Shoveling the driveway right now? Is yeah, 1:42:43.840 --> 1:42:47.519 get some players over to your house and Cam the 1:42:47.560 --> 1:42:49.600 way he drives, Cam Taylor Brick could probably be that 1:42:49.600 --> 1:42:56.360 about four minutes, no comment. 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