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Speaker 1: We had out to the ka Kommaspurd health hotline and

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Speaker 1: bring on Voice of the Rockies, Jack Corgan, who's kind

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Speaker 1: enough to join us after a very very long season. Jack,

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Speaker 1: I hope you have your toes buried in the sand

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Speaker 1: somewhere as you're joining us. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I am good. I'm actually at football practice for Regis

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Speaker 3: Juz you're with That's how I relax. So it's a

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Speaker 3: good thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is a good thing. So I know you're

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Speaker 1: a huge football guy too, So yeah, I'm sure being

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Speaker 1: able to just sort of soak all that up is

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Speaker 1: also good. What was your reaction when you heard that

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Speaker 1: news today?

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Speaker 3: Well, I kind of thought, you know that they have

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Speaker 3: to make a move. I mean, it was one thing

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Speaker 3: to have a couple of bad years, but a year

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Speaker 3: into a string now of years. And while I think

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Speaker 3: Bill is a good baseball man in a lot of areas,

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Speaker 3: I think there were some definite reasons behind kind of

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Speaker 3: opening things up and trying a different voice and really

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Speaker 3: a different approach. I think in a lot of ways, guys,

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Speaker 3: there's going to have to be somewhat of a philosophical

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Speaker 3: change for the ball club.

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Speaker 2: My man, Jack Corrigan. Hey, it's Rick lewis Man. How

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Speaker 2: you doing.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Rick, I'm good, I'm good. Thanks Jack, James Brown

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Speaker 3: the start. That's good. Hey.

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Speaker 2: Jack's a big music lover, man. We have that in common.

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Speaker 2: We're both from the Midwest. I really appreciate your work, Jack,

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Speaker 2: especially what three one hundred lost seasons in a row.

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Speaker 2: As a fellow broadcaster. I know how difficult that can be.

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Speaker 2: You handled it like an absolute pro. I told you

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Speaker 2: this last time I saw you, I would tune in

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Speaker 2: in like the eighth inning of a game. The Rockies

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Speaker 2: were losing eight to one, and you sounded like they

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Speaker 2: were in the playoffs. You were so professional the entire time.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I just I think people need to realize it takes

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Speaker 2: somebody special to do that.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, coming from somebody like yourself, Rick, who's

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Speaker 3: been in the business for a long time, much appreciated.

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Speaker 3: You know. We grew up listening to people like Jimmy

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Speaker 3: Dudley and Ernie Harwell and guys who it didn't matter

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Speaker 3: what the game was going, their job was to entertain

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Speaker 3: the audience. And I've tried to do that all these years,

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Speaker 3: and it's still it's nice to have it come from

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Speaker 3: a peer. I appreciate that. Well.

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Speaker 2: My question for you, Jack is, and I said this

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Speaker 2: earlier in the first hour of the show, I felt

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Speaker 2: like the Rockies really needed to do something two or

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Speaker 2: three years ago to shake this thing up. It's been

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Speaker 2: a bad five year stretch. What are your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 2: Was this the right time? Are they a little late

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Speaker 3: I think that will remain to be seen. I think

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Speaker 3: at the highest level you could certainly say that. I

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Speaker 3: think that things were starting to get better in terms

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Speaker 3: think there is more potential young talent than has been

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Speaker 3: in the system for a while, but it certainly was

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Speaker 3: not manifesting itself at the big league level. And some

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Speaker 3: of that, to be honest with you, guys, like I

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Speaker 3: said about a philosophical change, I think the Rockies spent

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Speaker 3: a long time drafting, for lack of a better description,

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Speaker 3: tight ends who could hit home runs, and the problem

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Speaker 3: was those guys don't play as well on the road,

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Speaker 3: and if they're not making enough contact, your offense stagnates,

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Speaker 3: and I think they have to go more the athletic approach.

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Speaker 3: The guys who put the ball in play. Look at Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit,

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Speaker 3: even the Diamondbacks not so much this year, but teams

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Speaker 3: that had athletic guys that ran first to third all

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Speaker 3: the time, that stole bases that they sits. The Rockies

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Speaker 3: have the biggest outfield in baseball. Yeah, you want to

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Speaker 3: hit it over the barrier and get home runs, but

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Speaker 3: if you watch the Rockies closely and see when they

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Speaker 3: have faltered in terms of allowing runs, many times it's

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Speaker 3: the balls that drop in in front of the outfielders

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Speaker 1: Like you said, what did you think the job Warren

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Speaker 3: I think Warren felt the same way I did in

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Speaker 3: terms of how this ball club should play. They should play.

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Speaker 3: I do want to say small ball is that that's

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Speaker 3: too much of just you know, bunting and those kinds

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Speaker 3: athletic baseball on all levels outside of the pitching, and

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Speaker 3: even pitching to a certain degree, but catch the ball

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Speaker 3: that you're supposed to catch, run base as well. Steel

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Speaker 3: bases put the ball in play. You know, if you

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Speaker 3: the last two years, they were among the worst teams

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Speaker 3: in baseball at drawing walks and striking out, and their

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Speaker 3: walking people and getting strikeouts. So if you're deficient, big

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Speaker 2: Jack, I'm not really familiar with how the minor league

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Speaker 2: system looks for the Rockies. Is there anybody we should

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on that's maybe coming up they could

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Speaker 2: maybe change the future for the team or is that pretty.

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Speaker 3: Bah as well? No, I think there are guys coming,

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Speaker 3: you know, starting with not that he's going to be

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Speaker 3: here next year, but you know, Ethan Holiday is going

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Speaker 3: the twenty four draft, is going to be a good

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Speaker 3: big league player. They are developing the right kinds of

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Speaker 3: They just got to figure out a way how to

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Speaker 3: pitch better. And that's going to be and it always

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Last one I got for you, Jack really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 3: So do you have.

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Speaker 1: Any I mean, whether it's names or a type of personality.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are we looking for when Dick Montifer

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Speaker 1: some names or there's a certain pedigree you're looking for here?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, you certainly have guys who

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Speaker 3: my own perspective, I'd love to get somebody from teams

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Speaker 3: whoever the person is, I mean, Bill Schmidtz was a

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Speaker 3: terrific baseball man, in a lot of areas. But he

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Speaker 3: was also very passive, very quiet from a public perspective.

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Speaker 3: So was Jeff Bryditch before that. I'd really like to have,

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Speaker 3: not necessarily him specifically, but a personality like Aj Preller

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Speaker 3: his passion for the game and his passion to win,

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Speaker 3: Not that any of those other gentlemen didn't, but you've

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Speaker 3: got to display that to the Rockies fans. Otherwise, that

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Speaker 3: whole idea of they don't care about winning just keeps

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Speaker 3: building because there isn't somebody there who they go, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that guy wants to win. Let's see if he can

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Speaker 3: make it happen. That's who they need.

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Speaker 2: You know, then down the road hiring your next manager, Jack.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this the first hour two. I feel

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Speaker 2: like they need to bring in a guy that's had

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Speaker 2: name I threw out there, Joe Girardi, former Rocky who

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: some no name guy that was a third base coach

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Speaker 3: Well, I, you know, to be honest with you, Rick,

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Speaker 3: I want the passionate, maybe more visible guy to be

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Speaker 3: but if the new guy decided shape was okay. I

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Speaker 3: supposed to be doing. I love Boach, but that's kind

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Speaker 3: of too late in the line, and Joe Girardi's really

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Speaker 3: and that really ended up being a problem for But

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Speaker 3: So that's why I think it might be someone more

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's gonna be interesting and the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: for me. I know. I'm running along on you, guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping that Dick really gives Walker a chance to

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Speaker 1: Love that completely agree. Jack, you're the best. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate a great job this season. As always your consummate pro.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Anytime, guys, enjoy it all right, Rick, talk to you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, you're the man. Jack, thanks for coming on

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Speaker 2: all right, the great Jack Horgan really good perspective.

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Speaker 3: Yeah,