1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: It's our number two. Your talkbacks come up in just 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: a few moments. But first we catch up with our 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: good friend, as we do each and every Friday. Charlie 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Goldsmith standing by to join us right now, Charlie, what's 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: going on? 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? How are you? 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 3: Charlie? 8 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Could not be better? We've got reds, We've got Bengals 9 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: to discuss. It's also been a big week of food 10 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: conversation on this show. How would you describe your food journey? 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Is it broad? Is it is it basic? When it 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: comes to Charlie Goldsmith and food, how do you describe it? 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: Well, I have a bit of a diet. I don't 14 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: eat red meat. I don't eat shellfish. I don't eat porks. 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of chicken and there's a lot 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: of fish. I'm trying to work in more salad, but 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: burritos remain a regular part of the rotation and I 18 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: like consistency. I go to the same place as pretty often. 19 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: Where do you stand on tomatoes? 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: That's very it's very very very specific, Okay, like depending 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: on what I'm the mood for, depending on how like 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: I would have a tomato, want a burger at X restaurant, 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't have Tomato want a burger at Y restaurant, 24 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: and how spacific it is for me. 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, let's start, uh with the Y spreadsheet at 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: restaurants like you do rosters. 27 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: So I have a goodyear spots, my spring training spots. 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: I have that mapped out so I remember it every year. 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: And well said, you're uh. The Cincinnati Reds Reds Fest 30 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: is here, and the Reds Fest Charlie or the Reds 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: decided last night to move on from Gavin Lux. And 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people viewed Gavin Lux as 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: kind of just the utility role. And we highlighted today 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: fifth most at bats on the team last year, highest 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: batting average on the team, second most doubles, fourth, highest 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: on base percentage, and in the final game of their 37 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: season with their season on the line against the Dodgers 38 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, he batted third for this team. Talk 39 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: about the thought process you had when looking at the 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: decision to move on from Gavin Lucks. 41 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: My take, and this wasn't necessarily the consensus during last season, 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: but my take was that Lux was really underrated. Like 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: we all want the Reds to go get better hitters. 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: LUs is a good hitter. 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: He's a good. 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: Hitter, and the fact that they hit him in the 47 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: top half of the order all season reflected that. And 48 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: I honestly think that there wasn't a stat that captured 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: just his professionalism from that perspective and the way he 50 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: grinded it out, and that was really useful in the 51 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: one up. So that's now a presence that's gone. I 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: understand why the Reds did it. They're freeing up money 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: to make their next move, and they looked at it saying, well, 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: we're not gonna play him at second and we don't 55 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: think he can play left there third. So this is 56 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: a platoon DH who's not a power hitter at all. 57 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: And I understand how they got there and said, this 58 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: guy just doesn't fit on our team. But it means 59 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: they've got to nail the next move and they've got 60 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: to make sure they get the right guy, which they're 61 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: working on to make sure that they didn't just lose 62 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: one of the better presences in their lineup. 63 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: Well, what makes you so confident that there is a 64 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: next move and that they can get that type of 65 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: guy to fix or fill that hole. 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: Because they didn't they didn't need to trade Lucks and 67 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: we know that we have data that shows that if 68 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: they felt like they just needed to get rid of Luck, 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: they would have non tendered him in November. He was 70 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: part of their plans. The roster changed, the market changed, 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: and I mean Nicol said it publicly, and kid, what 72 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: you want about Nick when he says they're going to 73 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: make a move or they're trying to make a move. 74 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: They're working to make a move, and at another piece, 75 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: they usually get something done. Now is that a guy 76 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: who can hit clean up? Or is that a guy 77 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: who hits clean up? Because the Reds don't have much 78 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: in their lineup right now, Like there's a wide scale there. 79 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: And again this is a move. They've got a nail, 80 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: but I do think there'll be another move. 81 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: What type of player could they land at this point, Charlie, 82 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: And obviously maybe a trade is out there. But you 83 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: look at the free agency market and Austin made the 84 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: reference today of a you know, Miguel Andrew Hard type play, 85 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Austin Hayes, are we looking at that level of a player? 86 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: Do you think that things are aligning that they maybe 87 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: go higher than that? 88 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: I think the best realistic case scenario would be bringing 89 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: back Austin Hayes, and I like it. I think Hayes 90 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: is a pretty solid player who I think as he 91 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: gets further and further removed from that you know, terrible 92 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: kidney infection that he dealt with in twenty twenty four, 93 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: he'll be healthier. He had a more normal offseason this year. 94 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: I like Hayes, and I know the Reds have been 95 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: in touch with Hayes. Other free agents you can look 96 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: at a first basement like Reet Hoskins would probably be 97 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: number two on my board. You've got to Samuel Lowe, 98 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: who's like a solid platoon first baseman who could play 99 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: a role for you. You've got Andrew harr. Then the trade 100 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: market like the splash, like the wow, the Reds just 101 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: got someone great with a big move. The only guys 102 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: I can find who would be out there would be 103 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: Jared Duran in Boston and Andy Pott has maybe in 104 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: La if he just got squeezed out because of the 105 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker deal. But I don't view the Reds and 106 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: maybe having enough right now enough of a surplus to 107 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: make those trade. They have to trade a front line 108 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: starter for one of those guys. So the next tier 109 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: of guys I'm calling them like the next Gavin Lux's 110 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: would be Ryan Mountcastle in Baltimore, Large New Barn Saint 111 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: Louis is on my radar. And then the young Mets guys, 112 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: specifically a Brett Baty or a Mark Bientos. Because the 113 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: Mets now have an infield log gym, They've got some 114 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: talented young guys who are kind of expendable. You can 115 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: kind of pols when someone's available because they're kind of 116 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: weeded out when these big market teams make bigger moves. 117 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: What do you think the Lux trade means for south 118 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: Stewart and his use moving forward? 119 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm it's funny like I've been on the 120 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: sal Stewart train, the sal Stewart trains long gone, and 121 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: the Reds and people who work in the Reds organization 122 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: are the founding members of the sal Stewer trains. As 123 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: positively as I've spoken about him, you know they've been 124 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: you know, Souths kind showed me something after he showed 125 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: the red something in terms of how early the Reds 126 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: were pointing to this guy as the core piece of 127 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: the future. He's gonna play a time. He's a big 128 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: part of their plans. He like, roll your eyes. He 129 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: could be the cleanup hitter who kind of changes this 130 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: line up this season if he clicks. The big question 131 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: is where he's gonna play, and that's one of the 132 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: big spring training storylines because he's lost weight, He's worked 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: like crazy because that's what Stouth Stewart does. This guy's 134 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: motor is insane. Has he made himself into a guy 135 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: who can play some second and some third more regularly? 136 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: That's going to be really interesting to see. And then 137 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: is he maybe less of a bopper and more of 138 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: a gap to gap guy with some of those physical shapes. 139 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: The changes this team has made to the pitching staff, 140 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: whether it's you look at what this starting staff can be, 141 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: what the bullpen is going to be, what what's their ceiling? 142 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: Can this be a top five pitching staff when when 143 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: all is said and done in your opinion. 144 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really think it can. We all know there 145 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: are a day and you don't need me to talk 146 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: about their irritation. I really like this bullpen and there 147 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: is a combination of a few things. There's the most 148 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: underrated thing in baseball is having enough guys who can 149 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: get you through the season, Like Brent Shooter is elite 150 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: at getting you through the season. Obviously he's not a 151 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: read anymore. But also you know, Brent's upside wasn't necessarily 152 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: what you know, Pierce Shahnson, as you guys get where 153 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm going with this. With Johnson, with Ferguson and Burke, 154 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: they got three really versatile, durable and dependable pitchers who 155 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: can get you through a season, who also have a 156 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: significant leverage experience. So there's a different combination in their 157 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: bullpen versatility and durability to pitch in a variety of 158 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: different roles, whether it's high leverage, whether it's you know, 159 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: long release, having that, having some very underdiscussed reds and 160 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: Connor Phillips and Dak Maxwell, and you can throw in 161 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: Luis May who are like real talent, like they could 162 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: be they could be dudes in a year or two, 163 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: maybe maybe this year. And then of course you're Pagan 164 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: Santy on Ashcraft, you know, the guy they've dropped back. 165 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: I don't like this bullpen now, maybe is that a 166 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: surplus they could trade from for that bat. That's something 167 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: I've been thinking about personally, But this is one of 168 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: the better bullpens I see because they do a little 169 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: bit of everything, and they have guys who are good 170 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: at a little bit of everything. 171 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: Last Red's question for me, Let's say that they go 172 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: out and get an outfielder or let's say they go 173 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: out and get a first baseman. Is it as simple 174 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: as whichever one of those positions they get that determines 175 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: the future of where Spencer Steer is playing every day. 176 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: How do you expect that to shake out? 177 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I ask, like, it's gonna be May seventh, 178 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: and this guy has got a cranky shoulder, and that 179 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: guy is a bad master up for the starting pitcher. 180 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: So Spencer today are gonna play there. And then there's 181 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: a different You roll the dice and you've got some 182 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: different cards, and it'll change truly day to day based 183 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: on the specific needs of that of the team on 184 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: that specific day and the matchups and who they're going 185 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: up against. And I'm not a huge fan of that 186 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: for players around the league in general, but I think 187 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: some players are great at handling that, And I think 188 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: Sere truly maybe his biggest gift if you can just 189 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: put that guy anywhere and he'll he doesn't have the 190 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: highest feeling in the world. But he'll figure it out 191 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: and he'll play, you know, at a very solid starter level. 192 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: And that's their planform this year. 193 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Under the Bengals Charlie. It has been a already crazy 194 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: offseason in the AFC North alone. All other AFC North 195 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: teams are looking for a head coach. The Bengals have 196 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: used the term continuity. When you look at continuity verse 197 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: what the other three AFC North teams are going through, 198 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: do you give a distinct advantage to the Bengals going 199 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: into next season. 200 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: I look at it this way. The Ravens, if they 201 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: hadn't fired Harball, probably should have fired both their offensive 202 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: and defensive coordinators. The Steelers, if they hadn't fired Tomlin, 203 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: probably should have fired their offensive coordinator. And while Tomlin 204 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: ran that defense, brought in a defensive mind who could 205 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: give that unit, specifically on the back end the type 206 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: of answers that it felt like it's been missing for 207 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: five years now, and the secondary and the linebacker. And 208 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: then the Browns, of course, they've got their their defensive 209 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 2: side of the ball figured out, but they they need 210 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: everything new on the offensive side. So there was so 211 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: much instability on both sides of the ball in Baltimore 212 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: and in Pittsburgh, and of course Cleveland's a mess that'll 213 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: kind of throw to the side. Now, the paths for 214 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: Baltimore that I would be most concerned about if I 215 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: were the Bengals is if they hire one of those 216 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: really smart, system oriented defensive coordinators who brings a scheme 217 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: with him that can elevate the versatile talent that they 218 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: have on that defense, and I think the offense will 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: just figure it out because I think they'll make a 220 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: move or two, and I think Lamar will be five 221 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: with kind of a fresh voice in there running the show. 222 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: So that, to me is something I'd be more concerned about. Pittsburgh, frankly, 223 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: I think should head towards the rebuild, and I wonder 224 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: if that was part of the reason why Tomlin stepped 225 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: the side the Bengals I have firmly ahead of the 226 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: Browns and Steelers. I need to see what identity the 227 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: Ravens want to be, and that means what they're ceiling. 228 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: And therefore, with that being said, and the decision too 229 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: we heard from Duke Tobin, the decision to retain Zach Taylor, 230 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: not adjust really the scouting department. With all of that understood. 231 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: Does next year become a put up or shut up 232 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: type here for Zach Taylor, where if this team doesn't succeed, 233 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: his job could or should be on the line. 234 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the world we live in now, certainly, 235 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: And if you keep running your head into the wall 236 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: with this defense, if the defense doesn't make that step 237 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: despite big investments, you might need to just fold your 238 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: hands at that point and say, we just need a 239 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: defensive mastermind to come in and fix this. Such a 240 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: mastermind that you can only get at the head coach position, 241 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: because you know that's where you're able to attract the 242 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: top defensive coordinators from around the league to come to Cincinnati. 243 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: So that's the pressure, that's the urgency of this season. 244 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: But I I and we can we'll talk about this 245 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 2: for the next twelve months. I do understand their two 246 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: run it back and bank on the fact that this 247 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: defense just needed better players and that they have some 248 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: of the right things organizationally instructurally to give it a 249 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: better shot in twenty twenty six. 250 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: I know it's very early in the in the process 251 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: and we'll have a whole off season to do. So, 252 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: have you started to identify the type of free agent 253 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: players that this team needs to target. 254 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: I'm done with my work at defensive end, defensive tackle, 255 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: and linebacker. I've still got to do safety in the slot. 256 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 2: I wonder if safety in the slot become more interchangeable, 257 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: and that to me is a kind of an in 258 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: the Weed scheme storyline that I'm fascinated by. But I 259 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: see a solid tier of about four guys who remind 260 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: me a lot of twenty twenty one Trey Hendrickson. The 261 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: only elite pass rushaerant on the market is twenty twenty 262 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: six Trey Henderson, who I don't expect back. But there 263 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: are some guys with athletic tools who have shown significant 264 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: tangible flashes. But I also have flogs on their resume 265 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: that could you know, you know, not make them top 266 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: of the mark. Guys like a boy in Mafe. He 267 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: has two stacks or he had two stacked plays, but 268 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: he's part of a great scheme. He consistently makes an impact. 269 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 2: He has the physical tools and the side He's a 270 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 2: guy who could take that next step, Oh to fay Oa, 271 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: you know, kind of in a different bucket, But Joey 272 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: Bosa in a role can be that type of like 273 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: complementary number one to help lead a room going forward. 274 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: So I like what I see there. I hate what 275 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: I see a defensive tackle, and I think there are 276 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: about a million options in linebacker, even who have specific 277 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 2: connections on the Bengals staff. Three, you can get that 278 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: plug and play that ture and to help stay alive 279 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: in that room. 280 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: It's a big weekend here locally, reds Fest tonight and tomorrow. 281 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: You see also hosting Iowa State. What's your weekend look like, Charlie, 282 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: what do you got planned? 283 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: Unlocked? In a RedFest? I love RedFest. It's a great 284 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: chance to just see everyone on the like the whole 285 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: organizations there, so to see everyone on the team in 286 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: the organization, to see you know, to see you know you, 287 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: you know you guys. Austin said, you'll be there, you know. 288 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: It's always good to see see people around at RedFest. 289 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: And I'll be there at at all hours of the day, 290 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: and then I'll find a way to watch the football 291 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: games as well. 292 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: Dude, do you think the Bearcats have a chance against 293 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: the Cyclones tomorrow? Can you give me hope for that? 294 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: Charlie? 295 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: You know what I found very interesting. I found very 296 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: and again We're not acpecting Kirk Crisa back until the 297 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: Arizona game. But the way we f hyped up the 298 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: Jizzle Crease a day day lineup, as small as that 299 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: sample size does, makes me wonder if they're getting to 300 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: the point where we're throwing stuff against the wall kind 301 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: of we're looking for something and that mindset, maybe that 302 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: could do you some good. So maybe that's not Saturday, 303 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: but maybe that mindset can do you some good over 304 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: the last two ups of. 305 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: The season, Charlie Joe Danman always talks about how people 306 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: will approach him and say yeat to him, you know, 307 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: maybe as a nod to listening to him on our show. 308 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: Do you ever get anything like that from people that 309 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: you run into on the street. Do they ever say 310 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: anything to you like that, any touch phrases? 311 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: No, but I hear about Sincy three sixty all the time. 312 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: One of my favorite stories of all time was, and 313 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: Tony remembers this was I was talking to Tony to 314 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: you see sing, and some random lady walked up and 315 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: talked about how much he liked when I was on 316 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: the show, having no idea that I was literally standing 317 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: right there. That was a very funny moment good and 318 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: there he is. 319 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Hey, that's do you have a favorite? I know, just 320 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: being able to kind of see everyone they're in the 321 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: same building. Is there a favorite part of Redsfest for 322 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: you that that you gravitate towards. 323 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: I always liked seeing kind of the prospects interact with 324 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: the old guys for the first time. And I always 325 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: liked seeing the new guys on the team. It's kind 326 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: of first coming all in the same room a lot 327 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: of them, especially you know, the prospect and obviously the 328 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: new guys as well, So kind of seeing me inter 329 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: and then just personally catching up with some of these 330 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: guys as well, especially some of the prospects. And maybe 331 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: I see it spring training but then didn't see during 332 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: the season, or you know, different people in the front 333 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: office who aren't around at the big league level as 334 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: much every day. So I enjoy seeing things like that. 335 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: Charlie, you're the best man. Enjoy Redsfest, Enjoy the weekend, 336 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: look forward to talking again next week. What's the easiest way? 337 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: With a very busy Reds off season now continuing on 338 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: the Bengals off season, and so much more to follow 339 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: along with everything you got, We've. 340 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: Got Charlie shockboard on substack and you can find it 341 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: on Fox nineteen. It's an exciting time and then spring 342 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: training is right around the corner. I booked booked my 343 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: day the other day, so I'm ready to go for 344 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: that as well. 345 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Cannot wait. Charlie, thanks so much. Man, have a great weekend. 346 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: Hey guys, there he is Charlie Goldsmith. Fantastic as always. 347 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: We'll take a break. We'll welcome in you next with 348 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: the talkbacks on this the Home of the Bengals ESPN 349 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station