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Speaker 2: All right, good afternoon, Happy Wednesday. Welcome in. It is

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Speaker 2: the latest edition here Sincy three sixty. You're listening on

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Speaker 2: today's the day. If you have not been able to

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Speaker 2: get your talk back in all week because we've been

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Speaker 2: super loaded with talkbacks, today's the day. Get on the

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Speaker 2: get to those an hour. Number two. James Rapine, covering

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Speaker 2: And we've got a lot to sort through from from

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Speaker 2: an NFL standpoint, a very busy trade deadline yesterday, from

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Speaker 2: a Cincinnati Bengals standpoint, a very quiet trade deadline yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We'll get the thoughts on that from you, Austin, and

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Speaker 2: I will sift through them as well. We've got the

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Speaker 2: first edition of the college football playoff rankings that are out.

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Speaker 2: A win by Kentucky last night, Mark Pope spoke after

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Speaker 2: the win. We'll hear a little bit of what Mark

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Speaker 2: Pope had to say. Jay Billis has named going into

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Speaker 2: the season his top sixty eight teams of the college

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Speaker 2: basketball season. And since it's the bye week, was MKU

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Speaker 2: we will do, Austin's probably a good thing. We don't

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Speaker 2: have to hear from you. If if there were a

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Speaker 2: a especially with the trade deadline landing on the bye week,

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Speaker 2: if there was a Duke Tobin press conference, what questions

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Speaker 2: Bearcats went into their respective bye weeks, both on a loss.

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Speaker 2: a tough stretch for the Bengals, a three game stretch

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Speaker 2: balance of playing for a Big Twelve championship if they

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Speaker 2: control their own destiny. So let's look at how to

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Speaker 2: improve both teams. The top three improvements for the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: the top three improvements needed for the Cincinnati Bearcats, and

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Speaker 2: if so, are the Bearcats playing in Dallas for a

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Speaker 2: We've got the first college football rankings. How much do

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Speaker 3: I put a little bit more into them than most

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Speaker 3: And I think one example would be like Louisville in

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Speaker 2: The Bearcats not in the top twenty five. The top

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Speaker 2: When the first playoff rankings come out. For Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: committee standpoint. Major League Baseball news. The Atlanta Braves are

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Speaker 2: keeping Chris Sale in the fold with an eighteen million

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Speaker 3: The Reds made a signing yesterday. Oh, they signed a

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Speaker 3: Keegan spent all of last year in Triple A IOWA

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Speaker 2: There was an article on ESPN dot com David Schotenfield

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Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll warm up to it. Red's Hot Stove

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Speaker 3: fault for sure self inflicted wounds. But Parsons is making

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Speaker 3: what forty seven million dollars a year, Quinnon Williams is

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Speaker 3: You've gotten better up front, and one thing the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: I thought, and you outlined how they've tried to address it.

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Speaker 3: This is a quarterback question, so I think there's it's

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Speaker 3: fair to say the jury's still out on Trevor Lawrence, right,

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Speaker 2: Him looking up there makes me think that he's thinking

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Speaker 2: I've never seen that before. Yep, let's do this. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the deadline, or the lack thereof, from a Bengals point

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Speaker 3: I just saw a TikTok video. Oh it was you

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Speaker 3: know the AI?

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Speaker 3: The AI is really getting bad? I don't want this

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Speaker 3: Oh and it flashed to the scoreboard it said bye

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Speaker 3: week fifty five Bengals ten man.

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Speaker 2: There was also that AI going around of like Bengals

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Speaker 3: a lot a lot to take any what happens when

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Speaker 2: It was a very slow day for the Bengals yesterday

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Speaker 2: At least me, I thought they should have. Here's a

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Speaker 2: What is the direction they're going in on defense? How

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Speaker 2: for me, Austin, what's more troubling. I was not trying

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Speaker 2: Yesterday I put out on social media after the trade deadline.

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Speaker 2: I just asked, are you genuinely surprised by the Bengals

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Speaker 3: I think it's just more saying that the fan base

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Speaker 2: Well, here we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can they operate in patients right now? That's my issue.

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Speaker 2: Would it be refreshing to see urgency? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: at least signify a little urgency. Mike Florio talked about

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Speaker 3: Getting a seventh would have been urgency to me because

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Speaker 3: He's been benched, his spot has been taken, and when

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Speaker 2: We messed up this year. We're going to get it

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Speaker 2: working because this team is at a worse spot than

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Speaker 2: carly ersa Gordon for the Colts. I mean, how long

433
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Speaker 2: has she been in her role, her and her two

434
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Speaker 2: sisters about just a few months, and what have they done.

435
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Speaker 3: They've they've been in beization, but as owners correct.

436
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're seven and two and they just

437
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Speaker 2: made the biggest splash of the trade deadline, like and

438
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Speaker 2: and and they're they're new to the scene, but they're

439
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: coming on with a fresh set of eyes. They're coming

440
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: on with an enthusiasm and an excitement saying, no, we're

441
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Speaker 2: not going to sit around and wait, we're striking now.

442
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: AFC is down, No one's running away with it. We

443
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Speaker 2: have a need. Let's fulfill that need and let's try

444
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Speaker 2: to win now. Like that to me is urgency. That

445
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Speaker 2: is refreshing in the NFL. And I'm not saying you've

446
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Speaker 2: got to replicate, but you know, would would would moving

447
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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson, would you have recouped a ton? Probably not,

448
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Speaker 2: but I think you could have got a second or

449
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Speaker 2: third round pick. And if you pair that and then

450
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Speaker 2: let's say they did move on from Duke Tobin, well,

451
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: now Austin, the job becomes a little more enticing because

452
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Speaker 2: you're walking into a good skill set on offense and

453
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Speaker 2: you're walking into some additional draft picks at your disposal. Sure,

454
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Speaker 2: it just would make it that much more attractive for

455
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Speaker 2: folks to buy into. That's why I think what for who?

456
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Speaker 2: Who to buy into? Who's buying into the locker room?

457
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Speaker 2: I mean the fans on the outside, yes, but that

458
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Speaker 2: locker room, to me, needs something to buy into. We're

459
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: seeing the fractures, we're seeing the foundation starting to shake.

460
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Speaker 2: If Trey Hendrickson was moved yesterday, I would say more

461
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Speaker 2: players than not would say, Okay, now it's starting. Now

462
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Speaker 2: we're doing something that we were not normally doing. Maybe

463
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Speaker 2: there's a sign that things are going to be different.

464
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Speaker 2: Because it's a shell shock right now in the locker room.

465
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Speaker 2: Talked about this yesterday. If they're saying these things publicly,

466
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Speaker 2: what do you think is going on privately? It can't

467
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Speaker 2: be a great culture right now. What do you like?

468
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Speaker 3: I would say there's shell shock in the Jets locker room.

469
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Speaker 3: There's shell shock in the Colts locker room.

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Speaker 2: I think there's shell shock. The way they've lost the

471
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Speaker 2: last two games, I guess I mean you lost to

472
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Speaker 2: the winless New York Jets. I mean I labeled it

473
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Speaker 2: as the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era. That

474
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Speaker 2: to me would be a little shocking. In a locker room.

475
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Speaker 2: You put up thirty eight, you lost to the windless

476
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Speaker 2: Jets without three of their better players. The next week,

477
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Speaker 2: you put up forty two and Caleb Williams dog walks

478
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Speaker 2: you down the field to put up forty seven in

479
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Speaker 2: the final minute of the game. There are obvious frustrations

480
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: that are boiling over. There are players that visibly and

481
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Speaker 2: audibly are voicing those frustrations. If defensive players walking out

482
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Speaker 2: of media availability after the game to get out of there.

483
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Speaker 2: I just think that a sign of something yesterday, of

484
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Speaker 2: anything but status quo would have been a welcome sight.

485
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Speaker 2: And maybe maybe that was taken care of Monday when

486
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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor addressed the team. Right Maybe maybe Zach Taylor

487
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Speaker 2: set a tone on Monday that's going to reverberate through

488
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Speaker 2: the rest of the season, and I hope it does.

489
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Speaker 2: But right now, and we outlined Austin that the schedule

490
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Speaker 2: coming up, this thing has a real chance of spiraling

491
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Speaker 2: heavily out of control. Do you think they'll be favored

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Speaker 2: in any of the next five No, they'll be like

493
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Speaker 2: going forward, they'll be favored against Miami. No, they will

494
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Speaker 2: not be really No, I mean not. Miami. Team's awful.

495
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Speaker 2: They have good players on offense, Will they be favored

496
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Speaker 2: in another game this year? No, I just said that.

497
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Speaker 2: No Cleveland, No at home. No, that's crazy unless Flacco

498
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Speaker 2: is playing that game, which I don't know if he

499
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Speaker 2: will be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that is and I know I guess

501
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Speaker 3: that that's maybe the I mean that who cares about

502
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Speaker 3: that game?

503
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Speaker 2: But I guess that's probably the most likely one. For sure,

504
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Speaker 2: they can't be favored in the next five I here's

505
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Speaker 2: the thing.

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Speaker 3: There have been no signs of progress none. DJ Turner maybe,

507
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Speaker 3: and you know that in and of itself, Like I

508
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: think we all thought DJ Turner had that in him.

509
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Speaker 3: It's been nice to see him turn a corner. There

510
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: has been no signs of progress with Chris Jenkins, no

511
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Speaker 3: signs of project with progress with Miles Murphy. JOSEPHO says,

512
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Speaker 3: the same player he's been for six years. Geno Stones

513
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: going backwards, Jordan Battle's going backwards, Larry Curley and Moe

514
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Speaker 3: at the linebacker spot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how much how much do you think Trey

516
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Speaker 2: Hendrickson plays the rest of the war.

517
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Speaker 3: He's gonna try to play every snap because you got

518
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: escalators in his contract for playing time. That's that, I mean,

519
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: that's let's call it what it is here and Trey

520
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: still has a lot to play for because you know

521
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Speaker 3: what I think drives me nuts about the yesterday not

522
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Speaker 3: trading Trey Henderson is you open the door for another

523
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Speaker 3: drama filled off season with him, and I would I

524
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Speaker 3: would be shocked. I know this is not a popular opinion,

525
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: but I would be shocked if they tagged him again,

526
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Speaker 3: unless the plan is to tag in trade and they

527
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Speaker 3: want to wash their hands of it, which makes sense,

528
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Speaker 3: But I would be shocked if they tagged him again.

529
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: We've seen them multiple times. Let a guy like that walk?

530
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Speaker 2: And can Zach Taylor avoid another offseason like that? I

531
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Speaker 2: don't know that it's his fault, No, but he's going

532
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: to have to answer for it. Yeah, It's like he

533
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Speaker 2: does every year exactly, which is why I give Zach

534
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Speaker 2: a little bit of grace and I always have not

535
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Speaker 2: his his fault really, So yeah, a lot.

536
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Speaker 3: But Tray is Trey is still trying to prove that

537
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Speaker 3: he's one of those guys and is still going to

538
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: be looking for another big deal. Is it going to

539
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Speaker 3: be what he could have gotten two years ago?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Probably not, But you know, he's got a lot to

542
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: prove still the rest of this year. And I do

543
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Speaker 3: think as ridiculous as it sounds, maybe in defensive of

544
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: the Bengals here, if Trey Hendrickson played on Sunday, they

545
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: may have won that game. I know that that might

546
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: sound ridiculous, but a player like him, all it takes

547
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: is won one strip sack, one batted ball down, one

548
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: force fumble. He's the only guy on that team that's

549
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: proven capable of making those plays that can go and

550
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: win you a game. And maybe in those moments where

551
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams is running around the pocket, Trey Hendrickson's there

552
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: and puts the hand on the ball and it's recovered

553
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: by the Bengals. You never know, And maybe that's the

554
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: idea that the Bengals are thinking of here. And I

555
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: can appreciate never waving the white flag and fighting.

556
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: Till the end.

557
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Speaker 3: Sure, but as we said prior to the game, that

558
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: was their last stand and they didn't survive. So now

559
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: it's time to move on and start thinking about the future.

560
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Speaker 2: UH. One more thought on Trey Hendrickson, and then we

561
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: will look to uh what life will be outside of

562
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: the bye week for the Cincinnati Bengals. Along with your

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Speaker 2: phone calls five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: at Cincy three sixty on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: This is what it sounds n Balfaje.

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Speaker 6: It's turner steps up, a sport kitty races to the basket,

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Speaker 6: fire us.

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Speaker 7: It off.

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Speaker 2: Man for three. Eg May steps up again. The prisent

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Speaker 2: veteran steps up and he's the biggest shout of the season.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Elizabeth, I'm coming again, Elizabeth Big, just

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Speaker 2: the best man.

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Speaker 3: Stacy Kings what Adam Amin on the call the Chicago

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Speaker 3: Bulls the top.

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Speaker 2: Eastern Conference six one down, twenty four points.

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Speaker 3: Last night Tony were the Bulls to the Philadelphia seventy

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Speaker 3: six ers. Josh Giddy with a triple double in consecutive games,

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Speaker 3: the first Bulls player to do that since his airness

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Speaker 3: Michael Jeffrey Jordan the last bull to go triple double

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Speaker 3: in back to back games, which says a lot about

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Speaker 3: the state of the franchise, especially can sad Derek Rowse

586
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Speaker 3: MVP season that that never happened.

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Speaker 2: But fun game too because the Sixers are really good

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's obviously an Eastern Conference Finals preview.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And I can't get enough of Chicago Bulls basketball right now.

592
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: This it's fun again, fun rooting, and they're gonna break

593
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Speaker 3: my heart, but it's gonna it's fun right now.

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00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: They're a top the East Oklahoma city they may never lose.

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Speaker 2: They're atop the West at eight. No, the Spurs are

596
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Speaker 2: five and one, and the Lakers, without Lebron and without

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Speaker 2: a couple of games with Luca, are still six and two.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a reference to the Jefferson. I remember when

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Speaker 3: I went to Chicago, gosh, probably ten years ago. I

612
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Speaker 3: don't know if I've told this story before, but the

613
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Speaker 3: Bulls were good then, and they had Kyle not Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 3: They had Kyle Korbwarber, who was one of my favorite players.

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Speaker 3: And Stacy King had these famous sayings he would make

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Speaker 3: threes or any big three and he would say, give

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Speaker 3: me to hot sauce. And I go into the store

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Speaker 3: in Chicago, this bull store, and I buy a T

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Speaker 3: shirt that says give me the Hot Sauce. It's got

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Speaker 3: hot sauce all over it. And I buy a Kyle

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Speaker 3: Korver Shersey. All right, Oh, this is like July of

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Speaker 3: twenty July of twenty fourteen. I'm fired up like Bulls.

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Speaker 3: Let's go. Two weeks later, Kyle Korver got traded. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is a dark memory for me. But speaking of addition,

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Speaker 3: when do you think the Schwarber deal will be announced

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Speaker 3: here in Cincinnati?

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Speaker 2: I would assume tonight on the Hot Stove League. Okay,

630
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: that's a good time for us. Yeah. One other Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson note this according to Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano.

632
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Speaker 2: They listed players that that were traded, noteworthy players that

633
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: weren't traded, and just some of the fallout from the

634
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: trade deadline. It's interesting what they say about Trey Hendrickson

635
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: here Austin. This is from Jeremy Fowler. Tuesdays seemed poised

636
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: for edge rusher movement, but teams decided to hold with

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00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: their pass rushers. And speaking of Cincinnati, the three and

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00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: six Bengals had a more than compelling case to move

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson teams. I spoke to believe Cincinnati wanted a second

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00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: rounder for him. Dallas considered that to be too steep.

641
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: Dan Graziano says, I don't blame the Cowboys, especially once

642
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: the price for the less accomplished Phillips turned out to

643
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Speaker 2: be a third round. That's Jalen Phillips. As devastating as

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Speaker 2: the past two losses have been for the Bengals. Listen

645
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: to this, they have reason to believe. It's not all lost.

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Speaker 2: Two and a half games behind the Steelers, that is

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Speaker 2: twenty eighth in the league in total offense and a

648
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Speaker 2: seven plus point differential. The Bengals have a head to

649
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: head victory over Pittsburgh and played both games against Baltimore

650
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: still on their schedule. They're everaging thirty eight points a game.

651
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: Joe Flock since Joe Flacco took over took over, So

652
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: maybe there's part of that. Maybe the inside the organization

653
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: they legitimately think they can crawl back into this. But

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Speaker 2: the more interesting part about this the Bengals were willing

655
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Speaker 2: or wanted a second rounder for Trey Hendrickson, which means

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Speaker 2: they at least moved off that first round number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that you would have had

658
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Speaker 3: to or else it just was never going to happen.

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Speaker 3: There has to be some sort of belief within the building. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that there is a path. It's hard to say it was,

661
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Speaker 3: but like that's the only way that it makes sense

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Speaker 3: that or Mike Brown is being stubborn, which is absolutely

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Speaker 3: a possibility.

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Speaker 2: We've known him to be that way.

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Speaker 3: In the pasture, and so you know it as ridiculous

666
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Speaker 3: as it is, it's Wednesday and muscle memory on Wednesdays

667
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Speaker 3: as you start looking for how you can start winning

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Speaker 3: the game the next Sunday. Right, I'm walking around my

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Speaker 3: house this morning, and I'm thinking, you know, if they

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Speaker 3: beat Pittsburgh out of the bottom, oh no, oh no,

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Speaker 3: they're three and oh in the AFC North. But then

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Speaker 3: I remember, oh, yeah, they gave up a thousand points

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Speaker 3: over the last two weeks, so they're yes, they're not.

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Speaker 2: Going but let me tell you this, by this time

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Speaker 2: next week, we'll be doing that. By Wednesday next week, Well,

676
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: they just beat Pittsburgh and then you know, New England

677
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Speaker 2: still a chance coming into Cincinnati, so just get ready

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I've made everybody mad. It's Sandford and Son,

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Speaker 3: not the Jeffersons. Oh gosh, I apologize. It's good to

681
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Speaker 3: always know people are listen. I apologize. It is good

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Speaker 3: to know that Tim and Skip and lou Ye, that

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Speaker 3: they're all over that. Like, jump on these phone lines,

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Speaker 3: Tim and Skip and Louis. We'll get to those phone

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Speaker 3: calls next five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Hey Alexa, what's going on in baseball?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. We're rolling along our number one of since

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Speaker 2: E three to sixty. We're here till three o'clock. James

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Speaker 2: Rapine will join us at two. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 2: about UK basketball. You're hear a little what Mark Pope

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Speaker 2: had to say after their season opening win against Nichols

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Speaker 2: last night. We've got to talk out of the bye

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Speaker 2: week for the Bengals and the Cincinnati Bearcats. Three things

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Speaker 2: they can improve on. Hypothetical if Duke Tobin were to

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Speaker 2: speak during a bye week that falls during the trade deadline?

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Speaker 2: What kind of questions would Duke Tobin receive? And we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you throughout the afternoon. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Brian is calling in. What's up, Brian?

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Speaker 9: Oh, not too much?

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Speaker 2: How you going to good?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I'm calling about the good old Bengals And thanks for

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Speaker 9: the comedy of them having still I have a shot

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Speaker 9: of I don't know what that dash reporter is on.

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Speaker 9: I mean, come on, come on, they are no chance.

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Speaker 7: To do anything this year.

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Speaker 9: So my question is about this draft. So they drafted

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Speaker 9: these guys with these measureables but no production. Why don't

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Speaker 9: we do it opposite and just draft people on production.

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Speaker 9: Like let's say top five that SEC schools, the best

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Speaker 9: defensive players available out of those five schools and those

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Speaker 9: deductions this year, just draft him. I bet you can play.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 9: You don't have to develop him, he's already developed. What

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Speaker 9: do you know, magic?

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest examples of this for

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Speaker 2: this season is what Jack Sawyer is doing with the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. I watched more Ohio State than I have

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Speaker 2: last year. Jack Sawyer showed up in every game that

725
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Speaker 2: you watched, and yet you get to the combine and it's, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's fast enough. I don't think his

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Speaker 2: lateral movement is what it needs to be. He's got

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Speaker 2: fifteen tackles on the year, he's already got a sack,

729
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Speaker 2: he's got two tackles for a loss, he's defended three passes,

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Speaker 2: and he has an interception on the year. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to be an NFL draft expert to turn on

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Speaker 2: a game on Saturdays and say, man, that guy can

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Speaker 2: play regardless of what level they're at. I would rather

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Speaker 2: go into a season knowing I have that versus well,

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Speaker 2: here's a guy who had four and a half sacks

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Speaker 2: in his collegiate career, but his measurables are through the roof.

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Speaker 9: Well, a lot of productions in between the ears. I mean,

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Speaker 9: on just defensive side. It's a lot about taking the

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Speaker 9: correct line, taking the correct decision, keep your eyes in

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Speaker 9: correct place. It's not even about measurables. It's about being

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Speaker 9: smart and knowing how to play football. It doesn't mean

742
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Speaker 9: like measureles don't matter if you don't do the right thing.

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Speaker 9: Like if you run the right wrong way, what are

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Speaker 9: you doing? You're just running the wrong way really fast?

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Speaker 9: How is that helping the team? It's it's this is

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Speaker 9: as nine. I mean, I just don't understand how they

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Speaker 9: thought like they went away when when they were doing well,

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Speaker 9: they drafted players that were proven, players that were good,

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Speaker 9: and now they're trying to develop developmental players to what

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Speaker 9: the beat tries how smart they are. They're not that smart.

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Speaker 9: Just pick players that can play.

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Speaker 7: It's it's not hard.

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Speaker 9: I'm just I'm I saw I don't know, I saw

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Speaker 9: you what six weeks ago, and I still have no hope, Tony.

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is this is unbelievable. It's it's the

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Speaker 9: most frustrating thing to be a fan of this team

757
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Speaker 9: in this city when we know we just we're hopeless.

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Speaker 9: We are hopeless as Cincinnati Bengals fans. And I just

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Speaker 9: don't know how people continue to go to the games

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Speaker 9: and give them money. I really don't. But that's their business,

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Speaker 9: that's their money. I don't care. I just know I

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Speaker 9: don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, thank you for the phone call. Man, appreciate

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Speaker 2: that look, and I get off to Like Jack Sawyer

765
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Speaker 2: was what a fourth round pick somewhere around there, so

766
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Speaker 2: a lot of teams passed on him. But the general

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Speaker 2: consensus is if I watch a team and a guy

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Speaker 2: on Saturdays and they play at a high level, I'm

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Speaker 2: more interested in having that and bringing that to a

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Speaker 2: Sunday more so than all the measurables are through the roof.

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Speaker 2: The production might not be there, but the measurables are crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather just watch a dude that plays and I'm like,

773
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Speaker 2: that guy is a football player. That guy can go

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Speaker 2: get it. And if you watched Ohio State last year,

775
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer made plays every game. That to me, okay,

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Speaker 2: can he make plays on Saturdays in a good conference,

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Speaker 2: then he can make plays on Sundays. I feel like

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Speaker 2: this organization has relied too much on what measurables upside

779
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Speaker 2: or we can develop into that. They're not great at developing.

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00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: John Ross was picked years ago because he ran the

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Speaker 2: fastest forty at the combine. Shamar Stewart is a physical freak.

782
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Speaker 2: Miles Murphy measurable wise, looks like one of the best

783
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Speaker 2: pass rushers in the league. The problem is the production's

784
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Speaker 2: not there to match it. And if the production's not

785
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Speaker 2: there Austin, then what are you relying on as an

786
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Speaker 2: organization development scheme? And this team has fallen short on

787
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Speaker 2: those as well. So I wouldn't mind adjusting the philosophy

788
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Speaker 2: and saying there's an upside there, But why didn't they

789
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Speaker 2: have more production in three years at college? This guy

790
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Speaker 2: man he produced every opportunity had, every time he was

791
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Speaker 2: on the field, he produced. I would rather have that

792
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: than buying on upside anymore from the Bengals. And maybe

793
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: that's one of those fundamental shifts when it comes to

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Speaker 2: the draft in the future that they can look at

795
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Speaker 2: let's take a break. Hour two is next. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a look at what the Bengals, and let's take a

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Speaker 2: look at what the Bearcats can improve upon coming out

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Speaker 2: of their bye weeks. And I know there's you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe more for the Bengals and the Bearcats. Let's try

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Speaker 2: to limit it to three each. We'll take your phone

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Speaker 2: calls as well. Five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty before we get into the Bengals

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Speaker 2: and the Bearcats out of the buy. I have a

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Speaker 2: couple of things here, Austin one the arbitration numbers, and

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Speaker 2: they decisions that the Reds have the head of them.

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Speaker 2: Can I give you three players and tell me what

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Speaker 2: you would do with them. Yep. Austin Hayes. You can

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00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: buy Austin Hayes out for a million dollars, or you

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Speaker 2: can pay a twelve million dollar mutual option. I would

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Speaker 2: buy him out. Brent Souter two hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars buy or a seven million dollar team option. I

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Speaker 2: would buy Scott Barlow one million dollar buyout or a

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Speaker 2: six and a half million dollar option. I would buy

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Speaker 2: him out. So you're good with none of them. Correct.

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Speaker 2: If you had to pick one of the three, Scott Barlow, Yep,

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Speaker 2: it would be Barlow. Hayes was just not available enough.

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Speaker 2: That was the knock on him coming in, and he

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Speaker 2: wasn't available for much of the season. I love Suitor.

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Speaker 2: I think he's great in the community. I just don't

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Speaker 2: know how. He's a vibes guy, but he's not worth

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Speaker 2: that much money. Yeah, I mean, that'd be a hard

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Speaker 2: one to write. Three million for him. Also, I saw

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Speaker 2: this from Lance McAllister per bet Online. With MLB free

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Speaker 2: agency starting tomorrow, the next team odds for Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 2: The Reds are the odds on betting favorite at plus

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Speaker 2: two to fifty. Why. I don't know. Mets are three

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Speaker 2: to one, Cubs are four to one, Yankees are five

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Speaker 2: to one. Bet Online has the Reds at five to

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Speaker 2: two plus two to fifty. Okay, maybe they know something

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Speaker 2: we don't. I mean, that'd be fun. I just don't

844
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Speaker 2: see the Reds doing it.

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Speaker 3: Last year, the Reds had a payroll of one hundred

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Speaker 3: and nineteen million dollars because I believe, twenty third in

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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball. This year, as of now, they have

848
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Speaker 3: fifty eight million dollars in payroll allocations. So they still

849
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Speaker 3: have to figure out, you know, those three things we

850
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: just talked yep, and with extensive work needs to be

851
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Speaker 3: done to the bullpen and so on. Any Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 3: deal would basically put you at what last.

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Speaker 2: Year's totally correct. I just don't see how you do it.

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Speaker 3: And again, Nick Kral said in speaking with the media

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Speaker 3: a couple of days ago, it's gonna be roughly one

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty million dollars again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: All, but you know it is going to be you

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Speaker 3: know the other It's gonna be another anniversary for the

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Speaker 3: Big Red Machine. I know they did it, you know

861
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 3: together last year, but hell do it again in for

862
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: the seventy sixty.

863
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: Why not give people in the seats, yeah, something to

864
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: continue to watch. We'll get to a phone call here

865
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: in just a couple of minutes. Let's start with the Bengals.

866
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: Austin bye week is here. There is so much that

867
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: this team needs to improve on. If I asked you

868
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 2: to limit it to just three, what are the top

869
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 2: three improvements that this Bengals team needs to make between

870
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: between now and the time they take the field against

871
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: the Steelers.

872
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: Tackling, tackling, and tackling, Zach, That's what I want to say. Tackling, tackling,

873
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: and tackling tackling is number one. I mean, the top

874
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: two leaders in the National Football League and Miss Tackles

875
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: play for the Bengals. Jordan Battle, by the way, who

876
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: Jalen Battle, his brother said, is better than Jesse Bates.

877
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: Jordan Battles the NFL and Miss Tackles. So that's one

878
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 3: number two. I would like to see some efficiency. This

879
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: is nitpicking, but some efficiency when it comes to getting

880
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: a play in. Talked about the k ball situation that

881
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: cost Evan McPherson the missed field goal. Zach Taylor needs

882
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: to make up his damn mind, get the play call

883
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: in and give your quarterback and everyone a chance to

884
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: get things set at the line of scrimmage. That needs

885
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: to be cleaned up. They have gotten better at that,

886
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: I think since since Flacco has gotten here, and obviously

887
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: that was difficult, but that needs to be cleaned up.

888
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: That big third down that they had against the Bear

889
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: in which it was like half the team ran a

890
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: screen to Chase Brown and half the team ran something

891
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: entirely different.

892
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: That sort of stuff. Clean it up.

893
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other one would be special teams consistency.

894
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: Can they play the way they did against Chicago for

895
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: nine to ten more games? Can that be something that happens?

896
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: Charlie Jones? Can you be more north and south, less

897
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: east and west? Can Taj Brooks carboutle role now that

898
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: Samaj p Ryan is going to be out for a

899
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: little while, both in pass protection on the offense but

900
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: especially on special teams. Ryan Rico had a much better day.

901
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: Punt coverage had a much better day. Can you get

902
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: some more production out.

903
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 2: Of that unit? Yeah, your top is my top. Tackling,

904
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: This is one of the the worst tackling team in football,

905
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: worst tackling team I've ever seen. It's one of the

906
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: worst defenses, if not going down as the worst defense

907
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 2: in the history of the National Football League. So tackling

908
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: is up on the list. I also think coming out

909
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: of the buy for this team in particular, what they

910
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: do to self scout is going to be important. And

911
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 2: what I mean by that, you get to a bye

912
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: week in football, and instead of focusing on who the

913
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: next opponent is, you focus on you in your team.

914
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: And I think for this Bengals team, it's pivotal for

915
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: ol Golden to do some self scouting, for our Golden

916
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: to sit down and say, Okay, we're not a high

917
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: pressure team. Maybe we need to tinker with more pressures.

918
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: We're not getting home with three and four. We need

919
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: to find ways to add pressure with looks that we have.

920
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: Can we utilize in a self scout mode how good

921
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: DJ Turner's been and put him on an island more

922
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: to not only showcase what he can do but allow

923
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: us as a defense to operate more efficiently with the

924
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: other ten. There are always ways on offense to self scout.

925
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: I think Orlando Brown Junior needs to do a lot

926
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: of self scouting in the tackle position. But you can

927
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: scout the efficiency in the running game and how this

928
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 2: offense has clicked since Joe Flacco has been a Cincinnati Bengal.

929
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: And also running games sneakily disappeared against the Big Yeah,

930
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: And also can you keep it consistent? Keep it consistent

931
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: throughout the season, not two or three games a really

932
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: good running game and then it disappears. But can this

933
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: offense show consistently how good it can be? And then

934
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: one of the last things I would look for from

935
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: an improvement standpoint the rookie production. These guys get to

936
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: this point in the year, they've played nine games. You're

937
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: no longer a rookie. You've played nine games in the

938
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: National Football League. And for these rookies, they have gotten

939
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: a lot of snaps. The rookie production has been awful.

940
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: Now you get a bye, you get a reset. Can

941
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: you improve off that down the stretch run of the

942
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: season and give folks around this team more hope Barrett Carter,

943
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: Demetrius Knight, Shamar Stewart, and give hope that there is

944
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: potential for the future, because if we see for the

945
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: remainder of the schedule a lot what we saw for

946
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: the first nine, you are in a awful spot as

947
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: an organization. So tackling self scouting and the rookie production

948
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: coming out of the by needs to be improved upon.

949
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: I know I talked about this earlier with Hugh Austin,

950
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: and you said for the Bearcats there's not a ton

951
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: because of where they sit. What improvements, if any, would

952
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: you make with the Bearcats.

953
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: I would start by, don't play the way you did

954
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 3: against you Thaw, don't turn the ball over the way

955
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 3: that they did. I think Mo made an interesting point.

956
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: I was listening to you guys talk about you see

957
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 3: and last year when things kind of went south offensively

958
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: it I forget exactly how he said it, but basically

959
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: there was a drop the head and you just kind

960
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: of let it spiral. Specifically with Brendan Soresby became a

961
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: little gun shot because he had a bad game because

962
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: he turned the ball over. He stopped being aggressive, stop

963
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: pushing the ball down the field. That sort of thing.

964
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: So for me, I would like to see how do

965
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: you respond to a loss and can you continue to

966
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: be the same person that got you there a couple

967
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 3: of weeks prior to that. The other one for me

968
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: would be, don't eat the cheese. Oh, if you keep winning,

969
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 3: if you're in this situation dangling out there, don't eat

970
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: the cheese and maybe getting your your face bashing against

971
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: Utah is a bit of a good thing in the

972
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: sense of, Okay, we still have some work to do

973
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: and understand where some of your deficiencies are and how

974
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: you can improve it, because they hadn't really been challenged

975
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: like that up until Utah. But in those situations, you know,

976
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 3: don't eat the cheese. I don't know if that's all

977
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: that applicable. I'm just looking for stuff for you. C Yeah,

978
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 3: you know, can I give you my last one?

979
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: Yes? Uh, nip at Night please? Yeah. And I'm not

980
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: gonna be against Arizona.

981
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 3: They don't have anything to like, they don't control that,

982
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: I understand, But Nip at Night against BYU would be ideal.

983
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. That game's already sold out, by the way. Yeah,

984
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: that's gonna be phenomenal. Here's where I go with it.

985
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: This team was playing with some of the most confidence

986
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 2: I remember a UC playing team playing with in recent memory.

987
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: You just saw the way they carried themselves. You saw

988
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: the way Swordsby carried himself with the crowd and the

989
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: sidelines and and what he was doing on the field.

990
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: That confidence was gone on Saturday night. They looked shell

991
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: shocked and to your point of coming out of the

992
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: buy and how to deal with a loss, That to

993
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: me is one of my biggest questions. This team spiraled

994
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: down the stretch. As you mentioned last year, they were

995
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: playing so confidently in that seven game winning streak. You Canna,

996
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: you can't allow that confidence to go away just because

997
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: you had a bad day at the office. You've got

998
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: to look at the bigger body of work. You've got

999
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: to play with confidence. When you play with confidence, you

1000
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 2: play so much faster, so much more clear in your mind,

1001
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: and you just give yourself every chance to win. So

1002
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: the confidence of this team needs to come back. The defense,

1003
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: I get Dante Corleone has been banged up all year.

1004
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: Jake Godey left the Utah game they won. Need to

1005
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: make sure they're healthy. But this is a defense that

1006
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: is giving up one hundred and fifty five yards per

1007
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: game on the ground. He said, well, it bit him

1008
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: in the butt because they gave up two sixty seven

1009
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: to Utah, which is what they average. Well, here's the deal.

1010
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 2: The BYU Cougars, the team Austin just referenced, the seventh

1011
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: ranked team in the College Football Playoff rankings. They're no

1012
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: slouch either. They run it for two sixteen a game.

1013
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: So you start looking ahead at what the answer needs

1014
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: to be. Whether it's nip at night, whether it's newd

1015
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: I don't care if you don't figure out your rush defense.

1016
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: By the time BYU comes in, they're going to have

1017
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: the same game plan and strategy that Utah just ran

1018
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: down the field with you at on Saturday. So the

1019
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: defense against the run, the confidence. And let me preface this,

1020
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: Austin by saying, I don't get paid by the Royer family.

1021
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: As much as I talk about Joe Royer, one may

1022
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: think that I think he's one of the best tight

1023
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 2: ends in football. Do you remember going into the season, Austin,

1024
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: that Todd McShay had Joe Royer is a thirty first

1025
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: overall pick in the draft. I do remember that. Now

1026
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: I think Joe Royer is a second or third round

1027
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: type talent. I think he's an exceptional blocker. I think

1028
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: he's a good route runner. I think he excels in

1029
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: yards after the catch. But right now on the season,

1030
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 2: Joe Royer has twenty three catches twenty three catches this season.

1031
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: His most productive days have been a five catchouting against

1032
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State and a four catchouting against Iowa State, which

1033
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: also resulted in a touchdown. The most troubling stat about

1034
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: Joe Royer is in back to back weeks against Baylor

1035
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: and Utah, he had been targeted once per game. He

1036
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: caught a twelve yard pass against Baylor and he got

1037
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: a ten yard pass late against Utah. In fact, in

1038
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: that Utah game, as bad as the first half was,

1039
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: Joe Royal was not even targeted in that first half.

1040
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: As a as someone who played the position, there are

1041
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: times as a quarterback that just doesn't feel right, doesn't

1042
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: feel like you're in rhythm, and you credit a defense

1043
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: a lot of times for that. But I've said this before,

1044
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: much like in basketball, with a good shooter, what do

1045
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: they always say about shooters in basketball Austin, don't let

1046
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: him get to the foul line because when they see

1047
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: one or two go in. It just kind of gets

1048
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: him back in that rhythm. I don't know when Brendan

1049
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: Sowsby is going through struggles, and he struggled on Saturday

1050
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: night he was eleven for thirty three. I don't know

1051
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: when he's going through those laws. Why you can't draw

1052
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: up something and get an easy completion. To Joe Royer,

1053
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: it's essentially a free throw. You see one completed and

1054
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: you get yourself back in rhythm. I think the Bengal

1055
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: I think the Bearcats can be better in that sense.

1056
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: He's six five, two fifty. I mean, find a way

1057
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: to utilize him. He's too big for a safety to

1058
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: guard him, he's too athletic for a linebacker to guard him.

1059
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: Find ways to utilize him, especially when the offense is sputtering.

1060
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: And if both organizations do that, Austin, then they're gonna

1061
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: have great second halfs. If they just listen to us

1062
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: over the last ten minutes, they're gonna be great. They're

1063
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: gonna be in good shape for the second half of

1064
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: their seasons. Let's take a phone called Jeff is calling

1065
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: in right now. What's up, Jeff?

1066
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 7: Hey, do guys good?

1067
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1068
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1069
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 12: I just wonder I'll tell you one thing that the

1070
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 12: shake up the Pittsburgh Christmas stamp. If you would just

1071
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 12: dress up at at the last minute Burton and that

1072
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 12: and that coach to see him over there. I mean,

1073
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 12: come on now, could you maybe be in a safety

1074
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 12: and had to cover Burton chasing Higgins? I mean, my god,

1075
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 12: he ran that fly pattern unbelievably.

1076
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: That's what he does.

1077
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Speaker 13: Well.

1078
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what he does in between the practices,

1079
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: but yeah, that I think.

1080
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 12: That would shake him up. And you know, we got

1081
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 12: to win this game to get back in and I

1082
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 12: know it's crazy, but if we beat Pittsburgh, we're back

1083
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 12: in this thing.

1084
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: That's That's a crazy thing to me though, Jeff, is

1085
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: that if we see that and we see where this

1086
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: team is, surely that he's been he was, I thought

1087
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: he was great at training camp. There has to be

1088
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: a disconnect somewhere, whether it's the mental side of the game,

1089
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: whether it's how he's preparing. There has to be something otherwise, Like,

1090
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: as a team, you're not just gonna throw away a

1091
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: third round pick and Jermaine Burton unless it's egregious that

1092
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: you can't throw him out there in my opinion, Yeah, but.

1093
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 12: You know, if you just suit him up and he's

1094
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 12: just gonna put him in there four or five games

1095
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 12: and time, you just you're gonna do the fly pattern.

1096
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the thought last year.

1097
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 12: The thought was it's gonna scare him. I don't know

1098
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 12: if we can beat him or not. I'm just telling you,

1099
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 12: we got to do something. And secondly, I would say

1100
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 12: that this week if we announced we could try to

1101
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 12: extend Trey Henderson, sign him for two more years, that

1102
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 12: maybe twenty million a year, and then that way time

1103
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 12: you're gonna have to step up and be a leader

1104
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 12: in that club, app because we need leadership on that defense,

1105
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 12: because we know we cannot, you know, replace the eight

1106
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 12: people we gota. We got to get out there and

1107
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 12: play some football.

1108
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: Why would Trey accept twenty million dollars a year.

1109
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 12: I just think that's always worth now.

1110
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: Okay, but why would he accept that if he thinks

1111
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: he's worth I just hope that he would. Yeah, maybe, okay.

1112
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 12: I'll just wish that there was something they could do

1113
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 12: this week since they didn't go out and get a safety,

1114
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 12: which I hope they would have this week.

1115
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: But they didn't do it. So yeah, Jeff, thank you

1116
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: man is offensive problem? No? Okay, no is is anybody

1117
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: worried about Jermaine Burton?

1118
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 5: Like?

1119
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 2: Is that? No?

1120
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: I do you think if the Steelers see Jermaine Burton

1121
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 3: they're gonna urinate down their leg?

1122
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: I mean optically, I've always thought it was just like, okay,

1123
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: sidebar from the offense being really good. How bad does

1124
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: Burton have to be on a weekly basis to never

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01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: get out, never be active, like he's just there's no

1126
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: way like at this point, he just can't comprehend the playbook, right,

1127
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: There's something there, Like there was a talk last year

1128
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: about well, can you just use a roster spot for

1129
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: him and you let him run go routes? Right? And

1130
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: when he did it, he was actually good at it.

1131
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: He caught a couple. But if you're in year two

1132
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: of the system and you're a third round pick and

1133
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: you can't get on the field. After an off season

1134
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: where Joe Burrow spoke about how Burton has been different,

1135
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: they talked about how well he was at training camp,

1136
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: there's got to be a big disconnect of a week

1137
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: to week basis that he just can't figure it out

1138
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: for the Bengals to never be active. There's no other

1139
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: way around it, right, it's insane to me. All right,

1140
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Speaker 2: your talkbacks are next since he three to sixty thanks

1141
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: to Cinci Shirts. Thank you for listening on ESPN fifteen

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01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 14: Now tumpbacks, go and grab your phone and record a message.

1144
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: Just hit that microphone. Please keep it clean and open

1145
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: mean and those sprinkle sprinkle drift, drip drift. It's a

1146
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: diaper tukbags.

1147
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 15: It's duck favorite party since three sixty.

1148
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 14: So Austin buddy, play those talkbacks on your screen and

1149
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 14: please drive out to sabotage it.

1150
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: The Wednesday edition of talkbacks right here on ESPN fifteen

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,920
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Speaker 2: up for the finale. The three game finale for FC

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati against Columbus Hell is reel Saturday night here at

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Speaker 16: All right, start bench cut fellers. Would you rather foster

1159
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 16: dogs on the regular, and granted you don't know what

1160
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 16: dogs you're getting, would you rather adopt a shelter dog

1161
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 16: and you can't take you back. You know this, and

1162
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 16: this dog could have some major problems now, but could

1163
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 16: be a sweetheart. Or if you had the money, would

1164
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 16: you go, Tom Brady, You're out and clone your dang

1165
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 16: old dog.

1166
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: Personally, I don't know if I trust that.

1167
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 16: Then I've seen pet cemetery one too many times.

1168
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm going. I think I'm going shelter. Yeah,

1169
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: the rescue, the rescue side of things, yeah, And then

1170
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: I guess I would bene foster dogs. I ain't cloning.

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Speaker 17: He's talking about a rebuild for the Bengals and they

1172
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 17: should just get rid of everybody and just restart fresh.

1173
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 17: But as anyone asked Joe Burrow how he feels about

1174
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 17: all this, because I'm pretty much guaranteeing that if you

1175
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 17: ask him to do that, he's gonna absolutely want a

1176
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 17: demand to trade. Be like, absolutely not, I'm already getting

1177
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 17: destroyed as is. I'm injury prone right now three out

1178
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 17: of whatever years. It is absolutely not, and he might

1179
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 17: demand a trade if that's the case.

1180
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: I would imagine.

1181
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 3: I think everybody thinks they know what Joe Burrow's thinking,

1182
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 3: but nobody really knows.

1183
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: I would imagine that they would have any conversation with him.

1184
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 18: Happy hump they everybody boy talkbacks. Never disappointed. They're just

1185
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 18: a big hodgepodge of everything. You had wrapping Ronnie dropping dives,

1186
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 18: you had Peppy Patty taking off the gloves, you had

1187
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 18: Pooh Talk, and just whatever analogies and stuff you want

1188
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 18: to throw in there with it.

1189
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: Never disappoint guys.

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Speaker 18: Yesterday, Paul Danner Junior said, in his mind, the Bengals

1191
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 18: trade and Drey Henderson would be like the front office

1192
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 18: saying they're waving a white flag on the season.

1193
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: What do you all think? Yeah, I certainly see some

1194
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: of that, and I see why the front office would

1195
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: not want to wave that flag as a message to

1196
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: send to the fans. But if you pull a hundred

1197
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: fans Austin, how many of those one hundred fans think

1198
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: this team is going anywhere this year? Correct?

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Speaker 13: Tony body put up?

1200
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: Listen what he is?

1201
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 13: Demetrious night sporting battle Stone Stone probably ahead ahead of it.

1202
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 13: Thank you're running a poker carry versus on it. That's

1203
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 13: good after it boy.

1204
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 15: You day.

1205
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 3: I had somebody tweeting at me Sunday swearing up and

1206
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: down that Joe Flacco fixed the game because of his fumble.

1207
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: Oh so that's the world we live in, man, I'll

1208
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: tell you what mad'son seven. I'll watch out because because

1209
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: Cooper flag hasn't been looking great. So mAb's in the

1210
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: seventies to get a new microphone.

1211
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Speaker 18: Hi.

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: Hi, my name is Johnny Johnny and uh I'm a

1213
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 4: Bengals fan. Hey john Hi Johnny. Mm yeah, I get it.

1214
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: Ah energy hw we Here Tony Pike.

1215
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 14: At the beginning of the season, anytime you heard welcome

1216
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 14: to the Jungle, he would.

1217
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 19: Make some odd sounds like he was auditioning for a

1218
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 19: nineties Herbal Essence commercial.

1219
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: Kids, look it up. Oh oh, and now now he

1220
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: sounds like auditioning for a Pepto Bismo commercial. My, how

1221
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: the mighty have fallen you tough, high energy Howie. I

1222
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: like that welcome energy, Howie.

1223
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 10: I was just thinking about all the conversation about Duke

1224
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 10: Tobin yesterday. I think you definitely need to let him go.

1225
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 10: Let Zach Taylor go. I would get the scouting department

1226
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 10: except for the two new guys that were brought in.

1227
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 10: Bring in a de facto GM. Let him work with

1228
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 10: Mike Brown to hire a new coach and staff and

1229
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 10: maybe go from there.

1230
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, this DJ.

1231
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1232
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 20: When you look at yesterday's trade moves and such moves

1233
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 20: that player or team's made, you know, the thing that's

1234
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 20: said is the season's gone for the Bengals, and teams

1235
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 20: assess where they're at and either add players or get

1236
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 20: rid of players.

1237
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: But they have a plan. What do we do?

1238
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 20: Stand pat and do nothing And that's kind of sums

1239
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 20: it all up.

1240
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: That's what we are. Nothing. They traded Logan Wilson. Oh oh,

1241
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: there's seventh I would like to know, like, what's the plan? Yep,

1242
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: that's a thing to ask. To spoil our segment about questions,

1243
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: you'd ask Duke Tobin, what's the plan.

1244
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 21: This hour is brought to you by Skyline Jillie.

1245
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 22: Whenever you're feeling good and hungry, it's Skyline time.

1246
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

1247
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 23: You know, there's one thing I get tired of here

1248
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 23: from Cincinnai Bengals fans, especially in this area, and it's

1249
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 23: I'm done or if they don't do this, I'm done,

1250
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 23: or if they don't do that, I'm never watching again.

1251
01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 2: Stop it.

1252
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 23: It's a lie, and the ownership knows that they're going

1253
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 23: to continue to do the same things over and over again,

1254
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 23: and you'll continue to watch and spend your money.

1255
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: So you've got two options. Either find a new team.

1256
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 23: Or except the fact that you're going to continue to

1257
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 23: root for a inconfident team that doesn't win, to win

1258
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 23: as much as everybody else does.

1259
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: It's the ongoing circle of life that is, you're angry.

1260
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: You're saying on Mondays, you're angry on Tuesdays, Wednesday comes,

1261
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: you start to turn the page and then figure out

1262
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 2: ways to win on Thursday and Friday.

1263
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I likened it to and you can speak to

1264
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 3: this better than me. Is marriage. You love this person,

1265
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 3: You've committed to this person. They're not always going to

1266
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 3: make you happy. They're going to upset you. They're going

1267
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 3: to have arguments, You're going to disagree about things. There

1268
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 3: will be times when you don't talk, there will be

1269
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 3: times when you avoid one another. Sometimes you're sleeping on

1270
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: the couch. But at the end of the day, that's

1271
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 3: the person you can committed to spending your life with

1272
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 3: and you still love them and care about them and

1273
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 3: are committed to finding solutions to the issues that you

1274
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 3: face together. Yes, that's what it's like being a Bengals fan.

1275
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: Hey, the Tony Tuna breath. It must be a slow

1276
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: day at fifteen thirty.

1277
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 3: If Austin's talking about being scared about AI, he should

1278
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,879
Speaker 3: be scared about Michigan.

1279
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 4: That's the first ranked team that Ohio State's gonna play.

1280
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean Texas. I was gonna say number one.

1281
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: That's false. Tuna breath. I've never rate Now no tuna.

1282
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: Do you like tuna? No? I mean neither.

1283
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 3: That's nasty. Also last year the loss to Michigan that

1284
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 3: broke me. That was, you know, in a place, and

1285
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 3: it was in a way that I was like, Okay,

1286
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 3: I can't do this anymore. And then I realized I

1287
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Speaker 3: had to come to grips with the reality that that

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 3: game doesn't matter anymore. I want it to. I wanted

1289
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 3: to be the singular thing that determines the season. I

1290
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 3: want that to be the super Bowl. But it doesn't

1291
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 3: matter anymore. And so because of that, I don't even

1292
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: get worked up about it.

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Speaker 2: Still. I say Michigan now, I used to not say

1294
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: Michigan incredible what incredible growth?

1295
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I don't expect Ohio State to

1296
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: win that game because why should I?

1297
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Speaker 19: Hey, guys, Steven Montgomery's totally trying to get value for

1298
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 19: Trey Hendrickson at this point. But the franchise tag for

1299
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 19: a defensive end next year is estimated to be twenty

1300
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 19: six and a half million dollars. Isn't that somewhat of

1301
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 19: a bargain for Trey Henderson? And they could still tag and.

1302
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 9: Trade him next year or tag and play him next year.

1303
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 19: Even though he may wint and complain a lot, he

1304
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 19: did sign the contract this year to allows it.

1305
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 7: What do you guys think? Take care and thanks for

1306
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 7: all you guys do.

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01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. Can you imagine the circus that would

1308
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 2: ensue with Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals on a franchise tag?

1309
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we talked about this when he signed his

1310
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 3: current deal, is that you can't essentially tag him and

1311
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 3: it makes sense and it kind of is the deal

1312
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 3: that we all would have won it. I think the

1313
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 3: Bengals fleeced Trey in the most recent contract negotiation and

1314
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: now they hold all the power and it would make sense.

1315
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: Now. Ultimately it comes down to is Trey worth it? Sure?

1316
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: And maybe to your point earlier, does Trey decide back

1317
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 3: still bothering me, him still bothering me because he does

1318
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 3: one out. That's a possibility to the point where plays

1319
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 3: U do that. He's so you know, he plays so

1320
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: poorly or doesn't play enough or is injured to where

1321
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: the Bengals are like, well, we can't spend twenty seven

1322
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: million dollars on him and then he gets out.

1323
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's a possibility.

1324
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 24: Rep in the city out here, Sonny hot Zone, what up,

1325
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 24: Tony point Man? The college football rankers is the only

1326
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 24: rankings that matter, not that top twenty five. We lost

1327
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 24: our credibility nationally getting dog stumped out there in Utah.

1328
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 24: He cannot be good teams even though we control own destiny,

1329
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 24: the Big twelve. I mean, just get the Dallas and

1330
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 24: we'll figure it out. Come on front office as a

1331
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 24: joke from the Bengals. Seen it in the nineties, young fans,

1332
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 24: That's how it is.

1333
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 2: To be a Bengals fan.

1334
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 24: Welcome to all world, and man, I'm going got over

1335
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 24: Bob Bob Miller, Dude is man.

1336
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: Deal, Let's go Cats. Since the shirts there it is

1337
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,919
Speaker 2: got god.

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 25: TP fifteen thester from Mount Health. The thing about the

1339
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 25: Bengals is they've never truly made a decision about the

1340
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 25: team's conviction. They've never truly blown the whole thing up,

1341
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 25: and they've never truly went all in to go forward.

1342
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 25: They're a stand pad organization that just goes with the

1343
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 25: flow and hope things change instead of making things change conviction.

1344
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 26: I like that, Hey, guys, Paul from Claves double deping hair,

1345
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 26: My question is for you, guys, what are the Bengals

1346
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 26: holding Duke Topin for? Is it because he's you know,

1347
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 26: friends of the family. I don't understand this guy. I

1348
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 26: don't understand the lack of a recruiting department or a

1349
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 26: scouting department or whatever. Are we just buying finding bare

1350
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 26: minimum coaches at league value. We're not paying for coaches.

1351
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an answer I don't have. I don't have

1352
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 2: the Duke Tobin answer. Yeah.

1353
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 3: I mean the scouting department has continued to expand, or

1354
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: up to nine total people in their personnel department. I

1355
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: know that's not a lot, but it is more than

1356
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 3: what it used to be. Coaching, I don't know that's

1357
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 3: a Zach Taylor issue, the coaches that he hires. That's

1358
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 3: on Zach.

1359
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 21: Hey, fellas, I know we don't talk about Kentucky basketball

1360
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 21: that much on this show. But if you didn't see

1361
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 21: that Colin Chandler post or donk Oh yeahast night. Yes,

1362
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 21: you don't know what you're missing. Do yourself a favor

1363
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 21: and take a game or that.

1364
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: Yep, we're gonna talk about We're gonna talk about Kentucky

1365
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 2: all right, Right.

1366
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 25: I'm not great at impressions, but I'm gonna give this

1367
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 25: one a shot.

1368
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: So here we go. Nick Kral on the phone with

1369
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber. That's twelve fifty one PM.

1370
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Speaker 6: I don't know if this talkback's gonna make it, considering

1371
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 6: in the last few days. I don't want to beat

1372
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 6: a dead horse. So did you guys happen to see

1373
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 6: Sunday Denny Hamlin cruising to victory. He's gonna get his

1374
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 6: first championship. The elusive championship caution comes out. William Byron

1375
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 6: cut a tire, Everyone comes down, pitt rode.

1376
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Larson takes two tires.

1377
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 6: Denny Hamlin and his crew took four tires, lost track position,

1378
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 6: he lost the league. He couldn't catch up to Kyle Larson,

1379
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 6: and he stole the championship.

1380
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: It was awesome, Yeah, tough break. For Denny hammerin' I'm

1381
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: a Hamlin Jordan guy exactly twenty three eleven.

1382
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 27: Hey, guys, Marcus from the grove. A little bit late

1383
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 27: on the weekend. Let's just say I dressed up as

1384
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 27: a fireball bottle for a Halloween party. So that go

1385
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 27: to show you what kind of weekend I had. But

1386
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 27: out of the Wildcats, the Bearcats, FC, and the Bengals,

1387
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:19,520
Speaker 27: who on this earth would have guessed that the Kentucky

1388
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 27: Wildcats was the one to get to win for the weekend?

1389
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1390
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 21: Unreal?

1391
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

1392
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 3: Knowing Marcus, I would imagine there was a I mean

1393
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 3: that man can drink some fireball now.

1394
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 22: Hey, congratulations to frequent since C three sixty guests Keegan Nicholson.

1395
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 22: He was signed by the Cincinnati Reds yesterday. Congratulations. One

1396
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 22: of my favorite topics is players in the NFL who

1397
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 22: have Super Bowl rings that you might not realize have them.

1398
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 22: Ken Anderson has a Super Bowl ring. He was quarterbacks

1399
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:53,959
Speaker 22: coach for the Steelers.

1400
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1401
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 22: Cj Uzama, Tanner Hudson.

1402
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: Bernie Kosar, Yeah, j Uzama with the Eagles last year.

1403
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 10: Hey, Tony, Jeff and New Richmond.

1404
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 7: Real quick.

1405
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 10: My three Bearcats improvements Scott Saderfield needs to make sure

1406
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 10: that this loss from last week does not become a

1407
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 10: losing streak breach. You need to make sure that Brendan

1408
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 10: Soresby regains his confidence, especially after the last game, and

1409
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 10: number three, you need to make sure all the mistakes

1410
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 10: that happened out in Utah get corrected and that the

1411
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 10: team moves forward.

1412
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 28: Take care.

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01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: Thanks.

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01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 29: Okay, you know it's ironic that you were talking about this,

1415
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 29: Tony just a minute ago. But I was thinking about

1416
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 29: this the day that there was sixty plus talkbacks that

1417
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 29: actually never even got aired on Monday, if I'm not mistaken.

1418
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 29: But walking from the west side here, I'm wondering why

1419
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 29: we didn't create any pressure on that last drive with

1420
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 29: fifty seconds left. They rushed three and left the other

1421
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 29: eight back there and prevent defense where they just got

1422
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 29: completely picked the part why didn't we rush anyone?

1423
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had that conversation years ago when when Kansas

1424
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 2: City converted to what fourth and fifteen or fourth and

1425
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 2: seventeen last year. You know, it's just I don't know, man,

1426
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: they still would have liked them to see pressure. They

1427
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 2: still had Caleb moving around a little bit, but it

1428
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: was just with one, and that's that's that's much easier

1429
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: for a quarterback to navigate, especially when Caleb Williams has

1430
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 2: that elusive spin out that no one seems to be

1431
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: able to have an answer for.

1432
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 15: Tony Austin balling ain't easy. Talking to a brick wall again.

1433
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 15: Leaving this talk back late, not gonna make it on.

1434
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 15: But if it does, shout out to Goodie, the offensive

1435
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 15: coordinator for Taialawan to Tony's friend, heard you talking about

1436
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 15: that wind and low middle linebacker, first team All Conference

1437
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 15: as a sophomore.

1438
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Speaker 28: That's my cousin.

1439
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 2: Come on, dog go Braves.

1440
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 15: Also, yeah, use Joe Royer like Penn State used Tyler Warren.

1441
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 2: Just get him the ball. Love that, love that.

1442
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 5: Just because our office doesn't want to try and do anything.

1443
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 5: I figured just for fun, but also maybe kind of serious.

1444
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 5: Was there anybody on offense you would consider just trying

1445
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 5: to play moneyball with flipping to the other side, fun conversation,

1446
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 5: Mitch Tinsley, Maybe throw him at safety Matt Lee knows tackle,

1447
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 5: Just to try.

1448
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 2: Something now, I mean that was audentate for years, moving

1449
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 2: to tight end, moving to tight end, talking that's going

1450
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 2: He's going offense to defense. No, that's tough, though. I

1451
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: don't know that I would.

1452
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's anybody that comes to mind.

1453
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 3: I mean, Drew Sample obviously is just a do it

1454
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 3: all beast. He could probably play free safety, he could

1455
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 3: probably play edge, probably put him in slot.

1456
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: I mean, is there anyone on the offense that could

1457
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: generate any pressure on a quarterback or tackle? I mean,

1458
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,759
Speaker 2: Jamar's a good tackler. I wouldn't put it past Noah

1459
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: Fan okay, to maybe be an edge rusher. By the way,

1460
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: we like to crap all over the Bengals for lack

1461
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: of aggressiveness. The fan signing has worked out pretty well. Yeah,

1462
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: it's been great. I think that's been a good addition.

1463
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: If orange and black fandom is like marriage, I guess

1464
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: that means the Bengals lorraina Bobbitt. That's tough. I don't

1465
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 2: know that reference. It's f yikes. That was our last one.

1466
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: Oh so they just tweeted that exact same thing at me. Yeah,

1467
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's you don't want to be a bobbit. Okay,

1468
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: we'll just keep it at that, all right, We'll come back.

1469
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: We got a football in the Natty next on ESPN

1470
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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to Cinti shirts.

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Speaker 1: If you're fifteen, this is football in the NATI. Grutch you,

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Speaker 1: in part by bud Light and by Oakley Greens on

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01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,560
Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back football in the NATI. It's a

1475
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: bye week edition for the Bearcats and the Cincinnati Bengals,

1476
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean the NFL and college football aren't

1477
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 2: in full swing. The weekends late for the National Football

1478
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 2: League starts tomorrow night. It starts with the Raiders and

1479
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: the red hot Denver Broncos. Broncos Austin one of the

1480
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 2: best teams in the league right now, and bow Knicks

1481
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 2: might be the best fourth quarter quarterback in the league

1482
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: right now, playing at an unbelievable level. A little bit

1483
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: of t bow time in old bow Nick te bow

1484
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: time t Bo Nicks man, when that clock turns to four,

1485
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: or when that quarter turns to four, he plays at

1486
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,839
Speaker 2: a completely different level. Broncos are playing really, really good football.

1487
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: They get a home game against the Raiders on Thursday night.

1488
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 2: Football Falcons against the new look Colts. Not sure saft

1489
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 2: Gardner's availability because it's a Berlin game. I would imagine

1490
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: you're not going to see much from him. But that

1491
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 2: is your early starting Monday. You think he's gonna play. Yeah,

1492
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. Why not.

1493
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, trade for the guy if

1494
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 3: you don't expect him to play. I mean, Josh Downs

1495
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 3: already changes his jersey number. He did number two to

1496
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: match his his guy Caleb but Ohio State he did.

1497
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 3: He did aka third Downs. But yeah, I mean I

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01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 3: figure Sauce is going to play. Okay, well, it's just Berlin.

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01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:11,799
Speaker 3: Everybody can fly to Berlin.

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Speaker 2: Giants, Bears, Bill's Dolphins, Golley Ravens, Vikings, Brown's Jets, Oh

1501
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 2: my god. Okay, how about I bet Browns Jets will

1502
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: be the best game of the weekend. How about this

1503
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 2: Patriots Buccaneers. Okay, I'm listening easily right now. Game of

1504
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: the weekend. I think Sunday Night football is good this

1505
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 2: week as well. Chargers Patriots era Steelers. That's a good one.

1506
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: What about this one? The one in eight Saints at

1507
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: the five and four Carolina Panthers. Painters got a shout

1508
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 2: to go to six and four playing some good football

1509
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 2: coming off a huge upset against the Green Bay Packers.

1510
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Carolina got something working, Yeah, I like it. Jaggs Texans, Uh, Cardinals, Seahawks. Uh.

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01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett's gonna be the quarterback. Yeah, is still dealing

1512
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 3: with his foot injury, and of course I think cal

1513
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: Duty comes out soon, so Tiler's gonna be down for

1514
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 3: a while.

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01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 3: Seattle is a fun team, man, I mean those guys

1517
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 3: are seven point favorites in that game.

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01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun. You get Rams Niners. I saw

1519
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 2: stat earlier today. McVay. It's it's hard to go against it.

1520
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 2: This might be Matthew Stafford's statistical best season he's played.

1521
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 2: It's amazing. He's been incredible. Lions commanders, both teams coming

1522
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: off a lost, Lions looking to bounce back, not as

1523
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: much juice. And you mentioned Steelers Chargers. How about the

1524
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 2: Monday night game Eagles on the road against a team

1525
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: looking for a big bounce back, the Green Bay Packers.

1526
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 2: Did you see.

1527
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 3: That there is a company selling Philadelphia cream cheeseheads for

1528
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 3: Eagles fans going to Green Bay. So it's just instead

1529
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 3: of the trying more cheese that Packers fans where it's

1530
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 3: a block of Philadelphia Cream cheese.

1531
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: That's good.

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01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 3: That is so funny. That's gonna be a fun matchup

1533
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 3: the Packers. I mean, people are so mad at Matt Lafleur,

1534
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 3: and understandably so at offense just goes dormant at times.

1535
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: I mean, you think of all the guys that have

1536
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 3: come out of the Sean McVeigh coaching tree in recent years,

1537
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 3: offensive minded dudes. You can make the argument Zach Taylor

1538
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 3: is the best play caller.

1539
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 2: Out of any of them. Wow, Okay, am I crazy?

1540
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 2: Do we kind of forget that?

1541
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 30: Now?

1542
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 3: It's two straight years of elite offensive production from this group.

1543
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go that far. It wasn't the

1544
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 2: running game wasn't good last year. I put a lot

1545
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 2: on the quarterback That wasn't elite offensive production when Jake

1546
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 2: Browning was in. Okay, what about Joe Flacco. I think

1547
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,879
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco brings a lot to the table himself.

1548
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 3: He did pretty good job with Jake Browning the first

1549
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: time around in twenty twenty three.

1550
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened this year?

1551
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it, But I'm just saying,

1552
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 3: two years in a row, this is among the best

1553
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 3: offenses in the National Football League.

1554
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, I'm not gonna go on. You could

1555
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: go on that limb. I'll stay off that one. Okay,

1556
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 2: College football Weekend ahead. The headliner Lubbock, Texas BYU Texas

1557
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 2: Tech number seven, verse number eight. If it were perdue

1558
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 2: basketball Ohio State Purdue would be a fun one. It's

1559
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 2: Purdue football. They stink. Ohio State's a twenty nine and

1560
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 2: a half point favorite. Buck guy's never played good there

1561
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: at West Lafayette.

1562
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 14: Big.

1563
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 2: It's just so we're all clear. Big SEC Weekend. Austin

1564
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: Old miss gets the Citadel. Okay Texas A and M

1565
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: Missouri Texas A and M obviously getting some love. Number

1566
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: three in the college Football playoff rankings. Oregon Iowa nine,

1567
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 2: Verse twenty. That game is in Iowa, so maybe a

1568
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: test for Oregon. Kinnick Kinnick Washington at Wisconsin. Wisconsin is

1569
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: probably wishing they could have just head back to back

1570
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: by weeks. They actually have to play a game this weekend.

1571
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: That'll be a lot of fun. Cal Louisville LSU at Alabama,

1572
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Navy at Notre Dame.

1573
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 3: Now you were telling me yesterday before the show, Oh yeah,

1574
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 3: you see, he'll be in the top twenty five. You

1575
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 3: see the top twenty five, they weren't. What was your

1576
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 3: reaction to that? A little near sighted by the committee? Oh,

1577
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 3: that's what I would say. I would say a little

1578
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 3: bit too judgmental on one game. They lost one tough

1579
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 3: one here in the last eight weeks. And uh it's

1580
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 3: again against the team that they thought highly enough of

1581
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 3: to put them in the top twenty five, the top

1582
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 3: fifteen of the college Football playoff rankings. So do you

1583
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 3: think that one game against and what is that place

1584
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 3: called Northwestern State?

1585
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh?

1586
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 3: Does that really count as a game on the Bearcats schedule?

1587
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 3: Since it's basically a high school team?

1588
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 2: You think?

1589
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 3: Do you think that actually hurts them? In almost Grambling

1590
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 3: count for Ohio State? I mean Grambling, it's at least

1591
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 3: a long standing tradition of excellence at that school for

1592
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 3: a long time. He's what they used to put some

1593
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: dudes in the NFL back in the day. A long

1594
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 3: standing tradition of excellence. I said, at Grambling, people forget

1595
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 3: Hugh Jackson used to coach there.

1596
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: I mean, all I know is they got walloped by

1597
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: Texas Southern and Prairieville.

1598
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 3: Why are you making this about Ohio State? I was

1599
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 3: asking a serious question this again for people who want

1600
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 3: to bitch and moan about me for making everything about

1601
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 3: Ohio State.

1602
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 2: Tony made this a serious question about the Ohio State scheduling,

1603
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 2: New Seas schedule. No, it was a question about Cincinnati schedule. Yeah,

1604
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: you get credit. You think that game.

1605
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 3: Works against them because of how inferior that opponent was.

1606
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: If they would have beat him by ten points, yeah,

1607
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 2: I mean they they did what you had to do

1608
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 2: against a terrible football team, and they think it's a

1609
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 2: crazy question beat him by seventy They think it was

1610
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: a high school team they played. Was it seventy? Was

1611
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 2: it seventy seventy to nothing? Yeah?

1612
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 3: I mean what does the stats look like if you

1613
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 3: take out that game? Offensively? Still pretty good?

1614
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 2: I mean they scored thirty four against Bowling Greens, thirty

1615
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 2: seven against Kansas, thirty eight against Iowa State, forty nine,

1616
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 2: forty one the Utah game again, Russnach hadn't missed a

1617
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,799
Speaker 2: kick all year, missus a for him a chip shot

1618
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 2: swersby fumbles on the nineteen yard line going in, They

1619
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 2: give up a kick return on a punt. It was

1620
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: a comedy of airs. I think if you play tighter

1621
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: in the first half, you got a shot to win. Hell,

1622
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: they came out in the second half, they got to stop,

1623
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: they scored a touchdown, they cut it to ten, and

1624
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 2: they got an interception. So they had the ball down

1625
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: ten with all the momentum in the world and did

1626
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: nothing with it. But that that game had a chance

1627
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: to go differently in the second half. As we both

1628
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 2: talked about, I'm menteroued to see how they improve. I'm

1629
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:38,759
Speaker 2: mentued to see how they come out of a bye

1630
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 2: after after getting punched in the gut. They did not

1631
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 2: respond well last year. They will have to respond better

1632
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 2: this year. Let's come back and put a bow on

1633
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 2: our number two, and then let's open the door to

1634
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 2: James Rapine, our guy, James Rapine will get us all

1635
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: caught up on everything.

1636
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 3: James is going to join us at two fifteen. Yeah,

1637
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 3: he just texted me that he had to audible to

1638
01:27:59,040 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 3: two fifteen.

1639
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Well, how about at two o'clock. Then we talk a

1640
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: little bit about the Kentucky Wildcats, we talk a little

1641
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: college hoops, we'll talk to James, we'll talk about Duke Tobin,

1642
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: we'll talk to Moeger. But first we'll put a bow

1643
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 2: on our number two. Next thanks to Cincy Shirts on

1644
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.

1645
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

1646
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengalsky Cincinnati.

1647
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 2: Welcome back. We got to finish up our number two

1648
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 2: here since e three to sixteen, thanks to our friends

1649
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 2: at Cincy Shirts. When we come back, let's talk some

1650
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 2: UK basketball. Let's look at the schedules ahead the Big

1651
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: UK game next week, Big UC game next week as well.

1652
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 2: We'll look ahead or college hoops to kickoff hour number three.

1653
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 2: Of course we'll talk to James R. Peen. You got

1654
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: a Duke Tobin question or two and Mulagger for quick hits,

1655
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 2: all coming up in the next hour. On ESPN fifteen

1656
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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to Cinci Shirts, Penn Station

1657
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Speaker 2: is turning up the heat.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is the third and final hour of

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01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: this Wednesday edition of Cincy three to sixty. We thank

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01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 2: you for listening. We thank our friends at Penn Station.

1666
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Speaker 2: Give us a phone call five one, three, seven, four

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Speaker 2: nine fifteen thirty last night, more local action on the hardwood.

1668
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 2: Duke the six ranked team in the country, and the

1669
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 2: Boozer Twins Carlos Boozer's twins. What did you just say?

1670
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 2: The Boozer Twins, Carlos Boozer's kids are playing college basketball.

1671
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh my god. Cayden and Cameron. Cameron is

1672
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: one of the most sought after recruits in the country.

1673
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 2: Cayden played just fourteen minutes last night, but his brother Cameron,

1674
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: he had a terrible first half. He was oh for

1675
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: eight in the first half. Came out in the second

1676
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 2: half after getting challenged by John Shire. Finished with fifteen points,

1677
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 2: thirteen rebounds, a couple steals, a block, and to assist Duke.

1678
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 2: I'm getting old. Feels like that, doesn't it. Duke prevailed

1679
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 2: over the debut of Sean Miller with the Texas Longhorn.

1680
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 2: Is that right? Sean Miller? Dalon Swain remember him from Xavier.

1681
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 2: I saw he followed coach Sean Miller, and he had

1682
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 2: sixteen points last night for Longhorns.

1683
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 3: I saw he went like back to back threes early

1684
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 3: on yep, and people were like, he only did that

1685
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 3: at Xavier like twice. Yep, and he already does it

1686
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 3: in his first game against Texas.

1687
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 2: Don't against Duke. I don't think there were many Xavier

1688
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 2: fans upset at the result last night.

1689
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 3: If you go and look at Texas in their Twitter account,

1690
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 3: all the comments posting the final score, yep, kudos to

1691
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 3: Xavier fans because they showed up.

1692
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 2: They did in the replies they did. It was so

1693
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 2: awesome the comments section alone. Again, just go to Texas Basketball,

1694
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 2: look at the tweet where they sent out the final score,

1695
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 2: and go check out some of those comments.

1696
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 3: Well done Xavier fans, Yes, good to well. Guys want

1697
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 3: to know in the Patino era, yep, oh to one.

1698
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 3: In the Miller era in Texas.

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01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 2: Locally, and I say locally Austin, because we've got a

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01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 2: share in a stake in what happens with Kentucky basketball

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01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: here on ESPN fifteen thirty. People forget we are the

1702
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 2: home of Kentucky basketball. You're darn right we are Kentucky.

1703
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 2: They put up a twenty eight spot in the first

1704
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 2: half last night. Not great, no, but they held Nichols

1705
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 2: to fifteen. They erupted in the second half for forty nine.

1706
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 2: Kentucky wins at seventy seven to fifty one year two

1707
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 2: of the Mark Pope era, that is the number nine

1708
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 2: ranked Kentucky Wildcats last night led by Colin Chandler, who

1709
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 2: not only had fifteen, but he had a thunder thunder dunk.

1710
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 2: He brought it way back last night? Did Colin Chandler?

1711
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: Otega Oway had thirteen points and the Kentucky Wildcats advance

1712
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: to be one to zero on this young college basketball

1713
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 2: season over Nichols the Colonels from Nichols. Now Kentucky's gonna

1714
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 2: face Valparaiso next But after that, Austin, I don't think

1715
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 2: this is being talked about enough. November eleventh, that is

1716
01:32:54,120 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 2: next Tuesday, the Kentucky Wildcats will travel to Louisville to

1717
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 2: take on Pat Kelsey's Louisville Cardinals, who are ranked number

1718
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 2: eleven in this early season. You want, I'm talking about

1719
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 2: non conference. They got number eleven Louisville, They've got number

1720
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 2: twenty two Michigan State, they played North Carolina, they played Gonzaga,

1721
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 2: they play Indiana, they play Saint John's often. That's never

1722
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 2: been an issue with Kentucky. No for the regular season,

1723
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: and they opened that in the SEC against Alabama, who's

1724
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 2: fifteenth in the country. Five Saint John's twenty one, Gonzaga

1725
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: twenty five, North Carolina twenty two, Michigan State number eleven,

1726
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 2: Louisville all coming up on the non conference slate for

1727
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: the Kentucky Wildcats. Here is what the head coach of

1728
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 2: the Wildcats, Mark Pope, had to say in his opening

1729
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 2: comments last night after the win. I'm great for this

1730
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 2: Nicols team. I like this team.

1731
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 14: They were actually really good last year and I think

1732
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 14: they're gonna be good again this year. Coach is doing

1733
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 14: a terrific job, and it was good for us. We

1734
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 14: had some tightness on the floor the offensive end. But

1735
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 14: I thought I was so proud of our guys first

1736
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 14: half defensive performance.

1737
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:08,839
Speaker 2: I thought we really really focused the last several days.

1738
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 14: On communicating defensively and trying to fulfill some different assignments,

1739
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 14: and I thought we did very, very well in the

1740
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 14: first half. Proud of Malachim Renos. His goal is to

1741
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 14: be a four offensive rebounding game guy, and so he

1742
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 14: started off, well, I'm really proud of da Dev's going

1743
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 14: to check this, but I think it's the first time

1744
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 14: in his career he's been six assist, zero turnovers and

1745
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 14: was really really good kind of climbing back into action.

1746
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 14: I'm proud of us on the offensive glass with fifteen

1747
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 14: offensive rebounds. That's where we that's where we need to

1748
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 14: live consistently. So there were some good things and certainly

1749
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 14: a bunch of titanus and we have a long road

1750
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 14: to keep getting better.

1751
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 2: But I'm excited about coaching this team, all right. So

1752
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 2: that is what Mark Pope had to say after last

1753
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 2: night's win. Again, next Tuesday, Louisville in Kentucky, that should

1754
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,839
Speaker 2: be a fantastic one. That is not all that's happening locally.

1755
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 2: Also happening next Tuesday Austin. The Dayton Flyers visit Fifth

1756
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 2: Third Arena. That's right, UC and UD. Dayton got an

1757
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 2: eighty eight forty eight win in their opener against Canisius

1758
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 2: H who on campus. Yes, I think me too. Mentioned yesterday.

1759
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 2: Xavier's next opponent is Lemoyne. They played Lea Mooine Santa

1760
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 2: Clara and then Friday of next week, they traveled to

1761
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 2: Iowa to take on the Hawkeys, the Northern Kentucky Norse

1762
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 2: mentioned before at eighteenth rank Tennessee this coming Saturday, and

1763
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 2: the Miami RedHawks back in action Friday against Trinity Christian.

1764
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 2: You're up to date on all things college basketball. Speaking

1765
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 2: of all things college basketball, Jay Billis, which, by the way,

1766
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 2: last night that Duke Texas game was part of the

1767
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: Dick Vitel Invitational. What they did for Dicky v last

1768
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 2: night was awesome. The broadcast itself, having Dickvitel there honoring

1769
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 2: what he's meant in the game basketball. It was an

1770
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 2: awesome watch. Billis was awesome alongside of him. But Jay

1771
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 2: Billis right now has the best sixty eight basketball teams

1772
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six upcoming season.

1773
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 2: If you start at sixty eight and roll back Austin,

1774
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 2: I think he had NKU at sixty nine, I think

1775
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 2: he's in as honorable mention. But right ahead of that,

1776
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 2: if you start scrolling upward, you get the Xavier Musketeers

1777
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 2: at number forty nine. Billis thinks Xavier is one of

1778
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 2: the top fifty best teams in the country, even though

1779
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 2: they didn't return a single player who played a minute

1780
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,600
Speaker 2: last year for Xavier. That's a tough, tough ask for

1781
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 2: Richard Patino. The good news is Jay Billis thinks they've

1782
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 2: got some good players coming in. Can they offer any

1783
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 2: kind of challenge to Yukon and Saint John's That is

1784
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 2: something that Jay Billis will be watching closely. If you

1785
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 2: continue to scroll up Austin the Ohio State Buck guys

1786
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 2: forty three on that list, you following along with buckye

1787
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 2: Basketball earlier in the season. Uh, yeah, a lord of

1788
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 2: the buck guys got coming up? What's Deeve's got?

1789
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 3: I actually don't know like what they you mentioned it,

1790
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 3: you mentioned the NBA points to.

1791
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 2: Who do they play? Are you Indy the other night? Yeah?

1792
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 3: Which you know that's not surprised that the Horizon League

1793
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 3: is the best basketball conference in one o two.

1794
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 2: As we all know.

1795
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 3: College basketball, you know, haven't gotten to that point yet.

1796
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna get there. I promise when we get

1797
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 3: to you know, with everything going on with you know,

1798
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 3: now we're in a bye week and all that.

1799
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: But Billis has the Bearcats at thirty nine, says they

1800
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: fell short of expectations. Of a preseason top twenty five

1801
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 2: team last year, Wes Miller could be coaching for his job,

1802
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 2: but has another talented roster with incoming freshmen and transfers,

1803
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 2: three of whom scored eighteen points and their opener Sean Abive,

1804
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 2: Bobby Miller and Mustafa Chom Bearcats come in at number

1805
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 2: thirty nine. Other teams locally that find themselves on this

1806
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:06,879
Speaker 2: list as well number thirteen the Louisville Cardinals. The Kentucky

1807
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 2: Wildcats are number eight for Jay Billis. Outside of that,

1808
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 2: Saint John's and then the top five Duke Yukon, Florida Houston,

1809
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 2: and the Purdue boiler Makers. That is who j Villis

1810
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 2: views as some of his top sixty eight teams in

1811
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 2: the country. When does it normally get real for you

1812
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 2: and basketball Austin the Monday December Super Bowl? Oh yeah,

1813
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 2: not till February.

1814
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 3: I've said this many times, that's when basketball seasons.

1815
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: Does that change for you at all? If the Bengals

1816
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: are continuing to be this bad, I don't think so.

1817
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 3: Okay, No, I mean I've already watched Listen, last year

1818
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 3: I watched more college basketball. I joked about it, like

1819
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 3: you know it doesn't start till after the Super Bowl.

1820
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 3: But I watched more college basketball November through January than

1821
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 3: I ever had before.

1822
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 2: Gonna I will get back to that. I haven't gotten

1823
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 2: to it yet.

1824
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 3: We're only two days of the season, all right, give

1825
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 3: me a second, Lance Mcca have been dialed in on

1826
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 3: his bulls.

1827
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 2: Unfortunately. Lance Stevenson tweeted out, like ten hours ago, I'm

1828
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 2: in mcallison. Aren't that different? He said? Serious question? Can

1829
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,600
Speaker 2: I go back to college and play ball? Obviously G

1830
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 2: League players are doing so now, to which U sees

1831
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 2: men's basketball account said man that sophomore year would go crazy.

1832
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 2: Lance Stevenson, back to the Bearcats question mark, He's what

1833
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 2: you call born ready, born ready, and the highest rated

1834
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 2: recruit Shanna Bive the second highest rated recruiting program history.

1835
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 2: We'll take a break. Our guy, James Rapene is waiting

1836
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 2: to talk to us next right here on the home

1837
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 2: of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Now

1838
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 2: your chance to win.

1839
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 30: At the Bengals like ESPN fifteen to thirty, Cincinnati's Sports station.

1840
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Welcome back, it is since he three sixty ESPN fifteen

1841
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to our friends at Penn Station.

1842
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 2: Let's get right to it. You can find him on

1843
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,759
Speaker 2: Bengals Talk, covering the Bengals, for Sports Illustrated and about

1844
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred different outlets if you need anything. Bengal answered, James,

1845
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 2: your pen is your guy, and he just so happened

1846
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: to be joining us here to start our number three.

1847
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 2: Well not, I'm starting our number three. We're into our

1848
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 2: number three, regardless of any of that. Hi, James, what else?

1849
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 2: How are you? I'm great?

1850
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 7: Great, It's good to hear your.

1851
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 2: Voice, James. Yesterday came and went, and we know the

1852
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 2: Bengals moved on from Logan Wilson and recouped a seventh

1853
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 2: round draft pick. Are you surprised that there was not

1854
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 2: another move made specifically around Trey Hendrickson.

1855
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised. I thought that the possibility certainly opened

1856
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 7: up when they lost and how they lost these past

1857
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 7: two games for for a Trey Hendrickson trade to happen,

1858
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 7: especially when you looked across the league and you realized, hey,

1859
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,679
Speaker 7: the Cowboys best breaking other teams felt like it felt

1860
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 7: like they wanted to move that way and get a

1861
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 7: pass rusher. And I'm not sure Edge wise, if there's

1862
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 7: anyone that was realistically available that you could look at

1863
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,839
Speaker 7: and say, oh, that's a better option than Trey Hendrickson.

1864
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 7: Because if you're making a trade mid year, it's about

1865
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 7: this year for most In most scenarios like Dallas, they're

1866
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 7: just going to move on from Logan Wilson if it

1867
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 7: doesn't work out. It's about this year and trying to

1868
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 7: breathe some life into that defense for that trade specifically,

1869
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 7: So you know, I expected teams to be interested. The

1870
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 7: thing that is sort of surprising to me is the

1871
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 7: fact that Jeremy Fowler reporting today that the Bengals are

1872
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 7: willing to take a second round pick and the Cowboys

1873
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 7: thought that was too pricey. Yeah, and if that's true,

1874
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 7: well then don't even come into the restaurant look at

1875
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 7: the menu, like what what do you what did you

1876
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 7: think they was going to cost for the NFL sack leader,

1877
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 7: the second place, the runner up for defensive Player of

1878
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 7: the year. Of course he was worth a second round pick,

1879
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 7: you know. And so that that to me, if true,

1880
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 7: and you just never know. I'm not saying powlers are

1881
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 7: I'm saying you never know who where, what the logic

1882
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 7: is behind those reports are. But if that is true,

1883
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 7: that is surprising that no team is willing to get

1884
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 7: that out.

1885
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's a belief inside the walls

1886
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 2: at pay Course Stadium that they still are alive in

1887
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 2: this thing this year?

1888
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah I do, And I uh not that I

1889
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 7: necessarily agree, because I'm not sure they can tackle present

1890
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 7: day Tony pill a thing to say about an NFL defense,

1891
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, geez o, pig.

1892
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if I do that, Caleb Williams

1893
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 2: spin move, I'll get away from anybody because no one

1894
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 2: knew how to tackle that. No one knew that was coming.

1895
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 7: No one knew it was coming. And you know, a

1896
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 7: few weeks ago, I thought, man, it was when you

1897
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 7: were being inducted. I thought about the defenses you had.

1898
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 7: And this is me saying it, not you saying it.

1899
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 7: So I'm allowed to say the defenses you had during

1900
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 7: your peak, specifically in that nine year that run to

1901
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 7: the Sugar Bowl. And then I looked at this defense

1902
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 7: and I was like, oh, maybe there's some similarities. No,

1903
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 7: there's no similarities. That defense would tackle some this defense

1904
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 7: that there's no such thing as a tackle happening.

1905
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 2: Do you worry about. We've talked about this all week,

1906
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 2: the Jamar Chase comments, and I thought we've talked about

1907
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 2: it that the way Zach handled Chase Brown, I thought

1908
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 2: that was wrong. I want a guy with passion. I

1909
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 2: want a guy that has life and that has some fire,

1910
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 2: especially when the defensive guys didn't talk on Sunday. If

1911
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 2: if we're hearing that to the media, what do you

1912
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 2: feel like the tension is inside the closed doors of

1913
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 2: the locker room.

1914
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 7: I am sure it's uncomfortable. Could you imagine if you

1915
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 7: had the best show planned ever and then Austen just

1916
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 7: didn't do anything, he just stared at you all know, right,

1917
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 7: and and that's he's like, yeah, I do that all

1918
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 7: because that's not true. But but like we've been there,

1919
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 7: done that with with something. Maybe maybe you're on the

1920
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 7: side of the underachievement side or you're on the side

1921
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 7: of that that's holding up there end of the bargain,

1922
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 7: and it's uncomfortable because you feel like you need to

1923
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 7: be doing more. And I talked to a defensive player.

1924
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 7: I just did a whole video on this or late

1925
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 7: because of the trade deadline, but like because it made

1926
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 7: natural rounds like Chase Brown's comments versus what Zach said

1927
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 7: and what Trey said. And I talked to a defensive

1928
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 7: player Monday in the locker room and he was like, look,

1929
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 7: if it's true, why would I be mad? But and

1930
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:45,440
Speaker 7: I think the reason why I think Chase Brown's comments

1931
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 7: shouldn't be offensive is if you're if you have any

1932
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 7: if you're not soft, you're not going to be offended

1933
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 7: by the truth. And the truth is is this Bengals defense,

1934
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 7: literally since Joe Flacco got the title, when they're tried

1935
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 7: to extending Oli branch to this offense and get it going.

1936
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 7: They had a shot at Lambeau. They couldn't get off

1937
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 7: the field on third and eight. Like, after everything that

1938
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:07,600
Speaker 7: happened five days after getting Flacco, they just have to

1939
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 7: go win. All they had to do is gonna stop

1940
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 7: on third naked to go back to Joe flecta didn't happen.

1941
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 7: They tried to give away the Steelers game, they did

1942
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 7: give away the Jets game, and then we saw what

1943
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 7: happened the other day, one of these improbable comebacks that

1944
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 7: felt like the football guys were on the Bengals side,

1945
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 7: and oh wait, the Bengals defense happened So that's why

1946
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 7: if you're Zach Taylor, man, you've got to be careful

1947
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 7: because they the defense should know they're not holding up

1948
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 7: there into the bargain. Nothing Chase Brown said was offensive.

1949
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 7: He said, we're going to stick together. He also said,

1950
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 7: and the freaking game, which is exactly what the defense is.

1951
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 7: How they should feel. They should be angry and embarrassed.

1952
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 2: You go into a bye week and you have an

1953
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 2: opportunity to do some self scout and kind of reset

1954
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 2: and recharge a little bit. Is there anything that you

1955
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 2: think this team will be able to find during the

1956
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 2: buy that would give them a chance to succeed more

1957
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 2: than what we've seen coming out of the.

1958
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 7: Bye I mean, it's very simple things like again, I'm

1959
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 7: not mad. I've said this multiple times, which is kind

1960
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 7: of embarrassing because in that situation, the last thing you

1961
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 7: want to do on first and ten is give up

1962
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 7: a twenty three yard pass over the middle. But you

1963
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 7: give up that twenty three yard pass and I'm not

1964
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 7: even mad about that. Just make the play, makes his tackle,

1965
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 7: keep the guy in front of you. Have a little

1966
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 7: pride with that, Like at some point it's got to

1967
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 7: sicken you that you keep playing this way, if you're

1968
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 7: one of these defensive players that's playing all the time,

1969
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 7: and whether it's Caleb Williams on third and ten, the

1970
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 7: play before the Coastal Loveland pass, whether it's at Briar

1971
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 7: Mooth somehow scoring on that play, Like it's just time

1972
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 7: and time and time again, and it should just be

1973
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 7: impossible for this to continue to repeat itself, and yet

1974
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 7: it does. And so that's it is literally the basic fun.

1975
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:03,799
Speaker 7: Just tackle when you're in position to make a tackle.

1976
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 7: And there were three guys in position to tackle coast

1977
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 7: and Love one before he got to the end zone.

1978
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 7: None of them did. Both safeties and Josh Newton Like

1979
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 7: that's that's level one. Like that's something that on day

1980
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 7: one of high school football you've learned from multiple years

1981
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 7: going into those tryouts in high school.

1982
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 3: James, your buddy Mike Florio said on his show the

1983
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 3: other day that there is bubbling, a bubbling up of

1984
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 3: this idea that Duke Tobin could be let go. I

1985
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 3: don't know that I'm buying it, but I do think

1986
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,639
Speaker 3: it's noteworthy that Mike Florio said it. What's your reaction

1987
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:51,560
Speaker 3: to that and the reaction to what he has said.

1988
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 7: Did you mean a report from Mike Florio, a really

1989
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 7: in depth report, that's what we called it, and social

1990
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 7: media called it the report. It was seven minutes into

1991
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 7: a show where he's just talking like you and me,

1992
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 7: No look player speculation from Florida. I don't think he's

1993
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 7: in the know at all when it comes to Duke

1994
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 7: Tobin's future. And that's not me being mean to him,

1995
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 7: it's just the reality. But the reality is also we're

1996
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:17,639
Speaker 7: talking about, arguably and if they continue this pace, the

1997
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 7: worst defense in NFL history, like not Bengals history, not

1998
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 7: in the AFC North, not this year, in the elite,

1999
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 7: like in NFL history, which that's a long time with

2000
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 7: a lot of teams and a lot of players, Like

2001
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 7: that's really tough. And so what I think my Fourio

2002
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 7: is saying is if this doesn't turn around at all,

2003
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 7: heads are going to roll at paper As Stadium, and

2004
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 7: they should. And I don't know if that means Duke Tobin,

2005
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 7: but it might if you continue to have the not

2006
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 7: the NFL worst to get historically, one of the worst,

2007
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 7: may be the worst, depending on what happens over the

2008
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 7: next eight weeks. After this week, the next eight games,

2009
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 7: worst defense in history right. So that's that's where I'm at,

2010
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 7: and I think that's where the Bengals are at. That's

2011
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 7: why they've They've stayed pat they're patient. They'll evaluate these

2012
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 7: eight games. But the basic art of tackling someone deserves

2013
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 7: blame that. Jordan Battle and year three, who is a

2014
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,759
Speaker 7: third round pick, doesn't know how to tackle. Geno Stone,

2015
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 7: a guy that clearly people in the building wanted to sign,

2016
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 7: can't tackle Josh Newton, the guy that's routinely gotten play.

2017
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 7: And I'm picking on men because it was obviously the

2018
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 7: game deciding play. It isn't just THEMT arder Demetrius Knight,

2019
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 7: like a lot of these guys have really struggled to

2020
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 7: tackle and it's embarrassing. And so if you can't show

2021
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 7: any improvement over the next eight weeks, I wouldn't rule

2022
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 7: anything out because it is that bad right now.

2023
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 2: Question for you, James, because I know when when when

2024
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 2: you go to a press conference, you put hours upon

2025
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 2: hours into the questions that you're going to ask based

2026
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 2: on who you get to speak to. Let me put

2027
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 2: you on the spot and let's just say something crazy

2028
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 2: happens and Duke Tobin is going to take the podium

2029
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 2: and he's going to answer questions about this team and

2030
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 2: about the deadline. What is something that you'd like to

2031
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:13,799
Speaker 2: hear from Duke Tobin that would maybe answer some questions

2032
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 2: about now in the future of this team.

2033
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 7: First things First, he said in February that they didn't

2034
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 7: want to pay for the same team, right, And not

2035
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 7: only did they pay for the same team and pay

2036
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 7: more for the same team outside of a few draft picks,

2037
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 7: but they haven't gotten the results out.

2038
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 2: Of the rookies.

2039
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 7: And so that's the issue. Like on this offseason, when

2040
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 7: you put your off season playing together, Duke, obviously you

2041
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:43,599
Speaker 7: envisioned something working out on defense.

2042
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 2: What was it?

2043
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 7: Why hasn't it worked? I think that's where it goes.

2044
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 2: Now.

2045
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 7: There's a lot of things that go into that. Duke

2046
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 7: is not going to talk about the deadline or anything

2047
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:55,600
Speaker 7: like that, and I think that's an issue in and

2048
01:50:55,600 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 7: of itself. They also think that I genuinely wonder if

2049
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 7: this is all on Duke from a draft standpoint, how

2050
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:09,639
Speaker 7: much is other people in the front office, how much

2051
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:11,599
Speaker 7: of it is the coaching staff, how much of it

2052
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 7: is ownership and them saying, oh, well, we're not going

2053
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 7: to spend on this spot in free agency to fill

2054
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 7: it in the draft, and then it feels like they

2055
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 7: need to force it with the last player in whatever

2056
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 7: bucket they want to talk about, and so they have to, Like,

2057
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:30,599
Speaker 7: I think there's so many factors in questions, and it's

2058
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 7: not just Duke, the entire front office. I need truth

2059
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 7: to them to get the answers. But yeah, I think

2060
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 7: it would start with that the offseason plan, what they

2061
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 7: did in free agency. Obviously they paid for the same team.

2062
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 7: Obviously they tried to focus on defense early in the

2063
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 7: draft and revamp a linebacker position that doesn't feel revamped.

2064
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 7: It just feels like it's cheaper and worse than it

2065
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 7: was a year ago.

2066
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 3: What is your crystal ball prediction for how the Bengals

2067
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,560
Speaker 3: handle Trey Hendrickson next offseason?

2068
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 7: Feels like a tag is coming? Doesn't If he plays

2069
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 7: like Trey Hendrickson, it certainly feels like a tag is coming.

2070
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 7: His agent left that door open. I can't believe they

2071
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:14,560
Speaker 7: agreed that the deal they did because it because it

2072
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 7: leaves the door open again. And I get it they're like, oh, well,

2073
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 7: we're not going to tag us at that number. Well,

2074
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 7: if you look at it, because they put that they're

2075
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:24,679
Speaker 7: not going to get two into the weeds. But because

2076
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 7: you of the way the Bengals manipulated the cat, it's

2077
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 7: gonna be a reasonable number, reasonable cap hit if Trey

2078
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 7: is worth it. And so if it were me and

2079
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 7: he plays well, I'd probably tag and then trade him

2080
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 7: and get that sset and move on just because you

2081
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 7: know he's he wants a long term deal. If you

2082
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 7: know you're not gonna pay him long term, well then

2083
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 7: what's the point. And that's what I felt like going

2084
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 7: into the deadbine at three and six. If the offers

2085
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 7: weren't there, they weren't there, fine, but yeah, I would

2086
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 7: imagine they would tag him now if he doesn't play well,

2087
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 7: if he's nicked up, if all those things. But he's

2088
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:06,720
Speaker 7: kind of force his way into free agency by not

2089
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 7: being worth the tag. I guess he could, but that's

2090
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:10,720
Speaker 7: going to hurt his bottom line, So why would he

2091
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 7: want to do that?

2092
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 2: The rookies On the defensive side of the ball, A

2093
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:18,759
Speaker 2: lot is being made about the rookies and their play

2094
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:22,840
Speaker 2: Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight, Shamar Stewart. You get to this

2095
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 2: point of the year, you're not rookies anymore. You're you're

2096
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 2: nine games in to the NFL, and I know you're

2097
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:33,320
Speaker 2: learning along the way, and it's unfair to to to

2098
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 2: come to a conclusion already. But what you've seen thus

2099
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,640
Speaker 2: far or not seen thus far, how concerned are you

2100
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 2: because you have to hit on these guys, You're you

2101
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:45,959
Speaker 2: don't have any other linebackers, You're you're depleted at pass rush.

2102
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 2: What is your feel on on the trajectory? Can they

2103
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 2: get this turned around? Is there a brighter future ahead?

2104
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 2: Or is this something that's extremely worrisome to you.

2105
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:03,639
Speaker 7: I'm really surprised that's Schamar and maybe it's injury related,

2106
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 7: but that Shamar is playing the way he's played, and

2107
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 7: and not because of his college film and all those things,

2108
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,640
Speaker 7: because all those things like everyone now is told you,

2109
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 7: you told you, I told you told you. But man,

2110
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 7: in training camp, I thought he I thought he was

2111
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:20,680
Speaker 7: disruptive to you were down there and I think I

2112
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 7: thought something there. He's hit a quarterback the wrong one,

2113
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,720
Speaker 7: and so I don't know what the hell is going on.

2114
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 7: Maybe it is injury related, but that needs to be

2115
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 7: fixed because I thought he was so physically imposing in

2116
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 7: camp and the skill the skill set of just the

2117
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 7: traits were so good that he would be disruptive, maybe

2118
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 7: not have a lot of sacks, but disruptive and chaos

2119
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 7: creating as a rookie, and we just haven't seen it.

2120
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,879
Speaker 7: And maybe that's because Trades hasn't been out there with him, whatever,

2121
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 7: but I want to see it now. He's dealing with

2122
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 7: the knee issue, so hopefully that gets cleared up and

2123
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 7: he can be all right. But that's that is extremely

2124
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 7: concerning because that's a pick he needed to hit off

2125
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 7: and there was risk involved. By the end of training camp,

2126
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 7: I didn't feel like it was that risky. And now

2127
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 7: I'm I don't know what to think because my eyes

2128
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 7: weren't lying during camp and it's November and camp was

2129
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 7: a long time ago. How did put the Demetrious Knight

2130
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 7: go go ahead?

2131
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Speaker 2: No, go ahead? Finish finish with the rookies.

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01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Demetrious Knight and Barrett Carter picks. I told

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01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 7: Austin on draft Day, like they better not take Demetrious

2134
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 7: Knight in the second round, like before the round, like,

2135
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 7: this better be a third round pick, and they shouldn't.

2136
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 7: They took him in round two. And because we were

2137
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 7: just talking about candidates that could go by the way

2138
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 7: Unfairchild was a candidate that could go. I wasn't thinking

2139
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 7: about him in round two. I was thinking about him

2140
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 7: in round three. Guess where he went round three. So

2141
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 7: to take him in round two knowing that he was

2142
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 7: inexperienced at linebacker and that's exactly what he was going

2143
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 7: to be twenty five in July. Obviously he's twenty five now.

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01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 7: Just a risky It's just a risky pick when you

2145
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 7: look at his profile. He better hit the ground running

2146
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 7: right away because he's gonna be Logan Wilson's age by

2147
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 7: the end of his rookie contract. Yeah, and it's it's

2148
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 7: it's tough because he's getting a lot of playing comedies

2149
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 7: obviously not playing well. Barrett Carter same thing, you know.

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01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 7: I think, honestly, Barrett Carter in the fourth round versus

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01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:21,839
Speaker 7: Demetrius in the second much better value there. Feel comfortable

2152
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 7: with it, fine with playing him. I just don't know

2153
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 7: why they invested in two linebackers like they did. Maybe

2154
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 7: we're not saying that's a year from now. Maybe we're

2155
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 7: not saying that six weeks from now and things turn around.

2156
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,440
Speaker 7: But it just doesn't feel good for a defense that

2157
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 7: needed plug and play startable guys in the draft.

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01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 2: How will James Rapine be spending his by weekend?

2159
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 7: You know, a little R and R. We're going to

2160
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,920
Speaker 7: try to try to shut the eyes, catch the breath

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01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:49,400
Speaker 7: a little bit now, a little bit. I have some

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01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 7: stuff playing over the next few days, but I'll try

2163
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 7: to do the Tony Pipe thing. Get on the Tony

2164
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 7: Pike private jet, go somewhere for a few days, and

2165
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 7: you know, hey, I put in a request to rent it,

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01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 7: and it doesn't sound like that's going to go through,

2167
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 7: but you know the US it works too.

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01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 2: Will get us from you to be uh, what is

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01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 2: the easiest way to follow along with everything? So much

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01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 2: to talk about with this team and and coming out

2171
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 2: of a bye week, what's the easiest way to follow

2172
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:17,160
Speaker 2: along with everything?

2173
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 7: You got Bengals Talk dot com. A new video is

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01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 7: dropping maybe right now as we speak on Cincinnati Bengals

2175
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 7: Talk on YouTube and the Lockdown Bengals podcast.

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01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 2: James, We appreciate you man, look forward to talking again soon.

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01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 2: Have a have a great bye weekend. Thanks, James.

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01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 7: We need we need to have a few cold ones soon.

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01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, you promised that after you you know, showed

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01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:40,320
Speaker 2: the hall of Fame night. So uh yeah, just let

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01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 2: me talk a lot of talk. Tickets were free. I'll talk.

2182
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 2: Just showing up, ball, don't lie, Just show up, man,

2183
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 2: Thank you, James, Just show up, James.

2184
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 7: Have a great.

2185
01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 2: All right, we'll break, we'll come back. We'll we'll wrap

2186
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 2: up a couple of things here when we get back,

2187
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:04,480
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to Moegor with quick hits on

2188
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 2: the SBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

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01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 11: Still you see k Wise, it's time for Sincy three

2190
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 11: sixty quick hits on ESBN fifteen thirty.

2191
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:15,960
Speaker 2: Was looking for Mo. I don't know where he's at

2192
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:16,920
Speaker 2: Moe in the building.

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01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 3: I was told he's going to be flying in there

2194
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 3: any second. We had breakfast with Mo earlier. That was awesome.

2195
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:25,640
Speaker 3: We did always good to catch up with about today. Yeah,

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01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 3: you and me both. Anyway, we'll talk to Mo in

2197
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 3: just a moment. He's got the Moeggar Show coming up.

2198
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 3: And then I believe Austin that he's he's checking out

2199
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:36,600
Speaker 3: early on the bye week. He's off tomorrow. No, there's

2200
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 3: a shock, Yep, he's with us now part time Edger.

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01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 3: Here he is here, he comes here, he is now.

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Speaker 3: I think what what the delay was.

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01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 2: I think Moe was probably caught up listening to that

2204
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin press conference. Do we have do we have

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01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 2: audio from that?

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01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 10: Uh?

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01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's here's Duke.

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01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,240
Speaker 28: We are certainly not going to sit on our hands.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, it's for Duke to say.

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01:58:58,280 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 7: Hmm.

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01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 2: What would you like to ask Duke Tobyn? I would

2212
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 2: ask why can't you fix this? Simple? Why can't you

2213
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 2: fix this? Yeah?

2214
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 31: And was the strategy when you sat down at the

2215
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 31: beginning of the offseason really to leave the status quo

2216
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:16,360
Speaker 31: in place? Or did circumstances basically force you into this?

2217
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 8: Like?

2218
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 2: Why why is this? Why can't you fix this?

2219
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 31: And why did you choose to fix it with so

2220
01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 31: many of the same guys from last year? Why do

2221
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:27,160
Speaker 31: you think Miles Murphy hasn't worked out? Why does McKinley

2222
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:29,920
Speaker 31: Jackson never play? What were you thinking when you drafted

2223
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 31: Jermaine Burton? Why can't you.

2224
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:35,000
Speaker 2: Get this right? Those are the things I would ask him.

2225
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 2: I think it's it's fair. I asked Austin this before

2226
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 2: the break. If there were a world where Duke Tobin

2227
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 2: and Zach Taylor were not employed by the Bengals, h huh?

2228
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 2: Which of those two would have an NFL job quicker

2229
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor as a head coach or as a coordinator coordinator.

2230
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:58,440
Speaker 2: I think Zach Taylor, as much as his overall performance,

2231
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 2: is certainly fair game. I think the fund the way

2232
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,920
Speaker 2: the offense has worked under Joe Flacco, Zach Taylor has

2233
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 2: had a hand in that, and that deserves and should

2234
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:12,200
Speaker 2: be mentioned. I'm sure Duke Tobin would have a job

2235
02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:14,160
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Is somebody going to hire him to

2236
02:00:14,200 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 2: be a general manager? Correct? Does the sam this business

2237
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:21,440
Speaker 2: card de facto general manager? Yes? I think so the fact.

2238
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Speaker 2: Do you think he has business cards? No chance? It's

2239
02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 2: a good question. Does anybody have business cards anymore? Yes? Actually?

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Speaker 2: Really do you have business cards?

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Speaker 3: I don't, but Ernie Bender someone who sits next to

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02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,960
Speaker 3: me or behind me in our office that has an

2243
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:38,680
Speaker 3: entire box of business cards of business cards.

2244
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, I've never in my life had a business card?

2245
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 2: What do you have?

2246
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Speaker 31: Coming up on the show today, I talk about business cards,

2247
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 31: business cards. We're going to discuss what would happen if

2248
02:00:49,160 --> 02:00:51,880
Speaker 31: the Bengals did fire Duke Tobin. Because I don't think

2249
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:55,240
Speaker 31: anybody has really thought this through. The Reds say Nick

2250
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Speaker 31: Kral says, basically same pay rolls next year, which on

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02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 31: some level is okay. But dot dot dot we'll discuss

2252
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 31: the dot dot dot.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be Bigrew Brees is replacing Mark Sanchez.

2254
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 31: Your thoughts, Uh, Drew Brees called the Bengals Raiders playoff game,

2255
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 31: the Bengals won and was panned for it. And then

2256
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:20,080
Speaker 31: last year I did a Rewatch podcast with Paul Paul Danner, Junior,

2257
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:22,520
Speaker 31: Jay Morrison, and Dan Horde where we went back and

2258
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 31: rewatched the game. Drew Brees wasn't as bad as the

2259
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 31: Internet made him out to be, now, was he?

2260
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:29,280
Speaker 2: John Madden his pride? I thought he was.

2261
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:32,920
Speaker 31: No, he was fine, he was okay. He was also

2262
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 31: really good at the LaSalle Sports Tag this year. Uh

2263
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 31: so that's fine.

2264
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Speaker 2: Uh. I thought Mark Sanchez actually was pretty decent.

2265
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 31: I did too, and I've I've heard him do some

2266
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:46,520
Speaker 31: interviews and some hits as an analyst where he's been

2267
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 31: pretty good.

2268
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Speaker 2: But I guess he is. That's why I enjoyed the

2269
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:53,720
Speaker 2: Mark Sanchez Halloween costume. That's why whenever you and I

2270
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:55,520
Speaker 2: head out of town together, I always make sure we

2271
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,840
Speaker 2: travel in pairs. You wouldn't let anything like that happen

2272
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Speaker 2: to me.

2273
02:01:58,360 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 31: Likewise, see my holiday costume next year is gonna be

2274
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 31: did Did you guys see the footage of the guy

2275
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 31: who lost the mayoral Corey Bowman.

2276
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:09,520
Speaker 2: This dude, I don't.

2277
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Speaker 31: Know this he had He did his concession speech after

2278
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:16,720
Speaker 31: he lost the election. And again this is not a

2279
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 31: political statement, but in his concession speech he's wearing a

2280
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:22,720
Speaker 31: suit and I guess all the broad there was no

2281
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:25,720
Speaker 31: like podium. Yeah, so everybody asked him to put on

2282
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 31: a clip on mic like. He had like five lapel microphone.

2283
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Speaker 31: It's one of the silliest things I've ever.

2284
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:33,160
Speaker 2: Seen in my life.

2285
02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 31: It took it took longer to set him up with

2286
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:37,400
Speaker 31: microphones than it didn't count as votes.

2287
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:38,800
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dang.

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02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 31: Uh So that was funny. That's gonna be my Halloween

2289
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:44,400
Speaker 31: costume next year. Michael was Corey Corey Bowman. I like

2290
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:48,520
Speaker 31: that Corey Bowman. Uh post lost Corey Bowman with all

2291
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 31: the lapel microphones.

2292
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:54,000
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna get mad at me for that. Politics it is.

2293
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:56,880
Speaker 2: I made a fun of a judge on Willie Show

2294
02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 2: the other day. Wow, you're the water. That was cathartic.

2295
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:03,560
Speaker 2: H what else do we have on the show today.

2296
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:09,200
Speaker 31: Steve Cangelosi's calling the FC Cincinnati match on Saturday. He

2297
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:11,640
Speaker 31: is going to join us at five forty five. Richard Skinner,

2298
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:13,640
Speaker 31: our friend Amy Wagner is going to join us. Rick

2299
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:16,480
Speaker 31: Boring on x U and n KU basketball and so

2300
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:17,040
Speaker 31: much more.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned breakfast that we had together today. We did

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Speaker 2: next Tuesday. You see Dayton Kentucky Louisville, Good day. What

2303
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,000
Speaker 2: a fantastic night of basketball. I don't like it when

2304
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 2: you see plays Dayton. Why.

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02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:34,680
Speaker 31: It's like watching kids fight. It's two things I really

2306
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 31: care about as well. I don't like it when they play.

2307
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:40,800
Speaker 31: I wish they wouldn't, Okay, I honestly, god, I wish

2308
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 31: they wouldn't play. I feel that they've played the last

2309
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:46,000
Speaker 31: two years, and I don't like it. I don't like

2310
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 31: rooting against Dayton because I root for the bear Dale

2311
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 31: once a year.

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02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 2: I do.

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02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:54,760
Speaker 31: I feel weird and icky about it. I wish they

2314
02:03:55,200 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 31: I think it's on one level, it's cool. I wish

2315
02:03:57,120 --> 02:04:01,400
Speaker 31: there were more regional games like this, But no, I

2316
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:03,760
Speaker 31: I don't like it when they play. I just it's

2317
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:05,120
Speaker 31: not pleasant. It's not fun.

2318
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:06,400
Speaker 2: So I don't like it.

2319
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 3: The Reds are gonna play two scrimmages in Milwaukee against

2320
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,240
Speaker 3: the Brewers before the start of the season. That's weird,

2321
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Speaker 3: isn't it. Very It's not weird that they play the Brewers.

2322
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 3: They're both in Arizona. It's weird that they're going to Milwaukee.

2323
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 31: And it's one thing if like there's a new park,

2325
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 31: like the Reds played the Indians two games before the

2326
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:27,879
Speaker 31: first real game, Great American Ballpark.

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Speaker 2: You do that.

2328
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:30,360
Speaker 31: It's a dress rehearsal. You do it because you know

2329
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 31: you're gonna sell a lot of tickets. But I don't understand.

2330
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Speaker 31: I'm not that. I'm not complaining. I don't care, but

2331
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,040
Speaker 31: I that's when that came out that I thought that

2332
02:04:39,080 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 31: was weird.

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Speaker 3: Speaking, I do think it is. I guess notable. They

2334
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:46,480
Speaker 3: don't play Milwaukee until June. Okay, so maybe it doesn't

2335
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:48,920
Speaker 3: matter since that you don't play them.

2336
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 2: For probably Cruise Control. Yeah, I mean division locked up

2337
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:58,000
Speaker 2: by then? Have forty homersine has the Reds is the

2338
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:01,800
Speaker 2: betting favorite to lane Kyle Schwarber plus two fifty. Okay.

2339
02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:05,200
Speaker 2: Do you see any any realm that we live in

2340
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 2: that that's a possibility based on what we've already heard

2341
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:09,520
Speaker 2: from Nick Crawl about spending.

2342
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 31: The only reason I think the answer is yes is

2343
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:15,960
Speaker 31: what happened to Pete A. Lonzo last year, where there

2344
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:21,160
Speaker 31: wasn't a huge market for him, right, Like, maybe there's

2345
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:24,120
Speaker 31: not a huge market for Kyle Schwarmer. There's probably gonna

2346
02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:26,360
Speaker 31: be a lockout at the end of this coming season,

2347
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 31: and so maybe you don't know about your long term

2348
02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:32,840
Speaker 31: finances and teams that you might think would ordinarily be interested.

2349
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:35,680
Speaker 31: View him as an depreciating asset, a little bit of

2350
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:38,680
Speaker 31: financial uncertainty, and the market doesn't materialize, and so the

2351
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 31: asking price comes down and it makes sense.

2352
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 2: You and I from Middletown, ohile, yes, really from Middletown?

2353
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:49,760
Speaker 2: Really yes? We say from like he's visiting born and raised?

2354
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 2: Really yep? Raising MIDI huh, like where Chris Carter's from? Yep, yep,

2355
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:57,280
Speaker 2: really born and raised. Is he nicer than Chris Carter?

2356
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:00,360
Speaker 2: By all accounts, he's really nice Chris Carter, mean Carter.

2357
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:02,320
Speaker 2: I did a stag with him this past season this

2358
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:04,640
Speaker 2: past year. It was great also by all accounts.

2359
02:06:06,120 --> 02:06:06,400
Speaker 31: I mean.

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02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:10,680
Speaker 2: Now, so even after he's a good culture guy to

2361
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:11,640
Speaker 2: a locker room guy.

2362
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:14,840
Speaker 31: He just was like mad at everybody, like Chris tell

2363
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:17,560
Speaker 31: me about It was right before the National Championship game

2364
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:19,360
Speaker 31: and Jeremiah Smith is pretty good.

2365
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:20,560
Speaker 2: Well, he don't need me to do.

2366
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 31: I'm like christ question hadn't been on TV in a while.

2367
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 31: The hell you're here to be nice to people?

2368
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2369
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:31,160
Speaker 31: What was the question about Colle Scharber? I could see

2370
02:06:31,200 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 31: a Last year we talked about Pete Alnza. There was

2371
02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 31: like no market for him. It's like cool asking prices

2372
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:39,960
Speaker 31: come down here and hit fifty home runs? What about

2373
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:41,880
Speaker 31: you know what happened? I got patted on the head

2374
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:44,840
Speaker 31: and I was told Christian and Carnassi on strands. He's like,

2375
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:49,080
Speaker 31: we have CEOs like do you Louisville did.

2376
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:51,440
Speaker 2: In or out? Austin Hayes Scott.

2377
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:58,400
Speaker 31: Barlow Hayes out suitor three million guys. Spend that somewhere else,

2378
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:04,320
Speaker 31: keep him around. Impressions Scott Barlow, Okay, yeah, six and.

2379
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 3: A half mel for Scott Barlow though, yeah, money, Well

2380
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:09,520
Speaker 3: it's true.

2381
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 2: What do you got come up? You got a haircut,

2382
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 2: you gotta double bye and a long weekend coming up?

2383
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? I'm gonna I'm gonna this year.

2384
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:21,120
Speaker 2: Last show of the week. Right, you want to know

2385
02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:21,560
Speaker 2: what I'm.

2386
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:23,839
Speaker 28: Doing this week? I'm certainly not gonna sit on our hands.

2387
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:26,680
Speaker 2: It is my last show. You're not sitting on your hands. Tomorrow.

2388
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:29,040
Speaker 31: I'm going to cut my grass. Nice Friday, we have

2389
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:31,880
Speaker 31: a UC basketball game. Nice Saturday, I'm gonna go out

2390
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:35,000
Speaker 31: with my wife for her birthday lovely. And Sunday, I'm

2391
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:37,720
Speaker 31: gonna watch NFL Red Zone for seven consecutive hours. Yes,

2392
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:41,640
Speaker 31: drink a drink a twenty four pack. What I'm gonna

2393
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:43,640
Speaker 31: do with my Sunday, Let's go well.

2394
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:45,640
Speaker 2: Enjoy all of that. Sounds like we have similar plans.

2395
02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:46,000
Speaker 31: We do.

2396
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Speaker 2: It's really really hefty. Next next four days, Mo's last

2397
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 2: Show of the Week starts next on ESPN The Week

2398
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:54,640
Speaker 2: Just to the week. Okay, you never know, never know.

2399
02:07:54,680 --> 02:07:57,360
Speaker 2: Maybe ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. I have a

2400
02:07:57,400 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 2: great rest of your Wednesday.

2401
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Speaker 30: W u c KY, Cincinnati.

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02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:36,280
Speaker 11: Make us the number one pre said on your car

2403
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:39,240
Speaker 11: radio and on the free new and improved iHeartRadio app.

2404
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:44,280
Speaker 11: Free never sounded so good, ESPN fifteen thirty. It's time

2405
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 11: for Since the three sixty quickits on ESPN fifteen thirty.

2406
02:08:48,440 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 2: Was looking for Mo I don't know where he's at.

2407
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 2: It's Mo in the building.

2408
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,480
Speaker 3: I was told he's going to be flying in there

2409
02:08:53,480 --> 02:08:56,160
Speaker 3: any second. We had breakfast with Mo earlier. That was awesome.

2410
02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 3: We did always good to catch up with. Learned a

2411
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:02,880
Speaker 3: lot about Mo today. Yeah, you and me both. Anyway,

2412
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:04,320
Speaker 3: we'll talk to Mo in just a moment. He's got

2413
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:06,520
Speaker 3: the Moegger Show coming up. And then I believe Austin

2414
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:09,640
Speaker 3: that he's he's checking out early on the bye week.

2415
02:09:09,680 --> 02:09:13,200
Speaker 3: He's off tomorrow. No, there's a shock. Yep, he's with

2416
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 3: us now part time. Andrew here he is here, he

2417
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,280
Speaker 3: comes here, he is now. I think what what the

2418
02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:20,520
Speaker 3: delay was? I think Moe was probably caught up listening

2419
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 3: to that Duke Tobin press conference. Do we have do

2420
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:25,640
Speaker 3: we have audio from that?

2421
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 10: Uh?

2422
02:09:26,360 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's here's Duke.

2423
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:29,840
Speaker 28: We are certainly not gonna sit on our hands.

2424
02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:32,080
Speaker 2: Okay. Oh that's what Duke ha to say.

2425
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:33,200
Speaker 7: Hmm.

2426
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:36,320
Speaker 2: Would you like to ask Duke Tobin? I would ask

2427
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,680
Speaker 2: why why can't you fix this? Simple? Why can't you

2428
02:09:39,720 --> 02:09:40,880
Speaker 2: fix this? Yeah?

2429
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:43,400
Speaker 31: And was the strategy when you sat down at the

2430
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:45,960
Speaker 31: beginning of the off season really to leave the status

2431
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 31: quo in place? Or did circumstances basically force you into this, like.

2432
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 2: Why, why is this? Why can't you fix this?

2433
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:55,680
Speaker 31: And why did you choose to fix it with so

2434
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,360
Speaker 31: many of the same guys from last year? Why do

2435
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:01,879
Speaker 31: you think Miles Murphy hasn't worked out? Why does McKinley

2436
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:04,600
Speaker 31: Jackson never play? What were you thinking when you drafted

2437
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:08,520
Speaker 31: Jermaine Burton? Why can't you get this right? Those are

2438
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:10,880
Speaker 31: the things I would ask him. I think it's it's fair.

2439
02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:14,400
Speaker 31: I asked Austin this before the break. If there were

2440
02:10:14,440 --> 02:10:16,440
Speaker 31: a world where Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor were not

2441
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:18,960
Speaker 31: employed by the Bengals, h huh, which of those two

2442
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:23,400
Speaker 31: would have an NFL job? Quicker Zach Taylor as a

2443
02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:26,280
Speaker 31: head coach or as a coordinator coordinator?

2444
02:10:26,360 --> 02:10:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Zach Taylor.

2445
02:10:30,240 --> 02:10:34,280
Speaker 31: As much as his overall performance, is certainly fair game.

2446
02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:38,480
Speaker 31: I think the fund the way the offense has worked

2447
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:41,360
Speaker 31: under Joe Flacco, Zach Taylor has had a hand in that,

2448
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:46,000
Speaker 31: and that deserves and should be mentioned. I'm sure Duke

2449
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 31: Tobin would have a job in the NFL. Is somebody

2450
02:10:48,080 --> 02:10:50,120
Speaker 31: going to hire him to be a general manager?

2451
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:55,120
Speaker 2: Correct? Does the SAMAS business card de facto general manager. Yes,

2452
02:10:55,320 --> 02:10:56,640
Speaker 2: I think so. The fact, do you think he has

2453
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 2: business cards? No chance. It's a good question. Does anybody

2454
02:10:59,920 --> 02:11:03,200
Speaker 2: have business cards anymore? Yes? Actually, really do you have

2455
02:11:03,240 --> 02:11:03,920
Speaker 2: business cards?

2456
02:11:03,960 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 3: I don't, but Nie Bend, someone who sits next to

2457
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:10,680
Speaker 3: me are behind me in our office that has an

2458
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:13,360
Speaker 3: entire box of business cards of business cards.

2459
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:15,960
Speaker 2: Yes. Wow, I've never in my life had a business card?

2460
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:18,680
Speaker 2: What do you have? Coming up on the show today,

2461
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 2: I talk about business cards, business cards.

2462
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:24,360
Speaker 31: We're going to discuss what would happen if the Bengals

2463
02:11:24,360 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 31: did fire Duke Tobin, because I don't think anybody has

2464
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:30,440
Speaker 31: really thought this through the red say Nick Kral says,

2465
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:34,800
Speaker 31: basically same pay rolls next year, which on some level

2466
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:38,320
Speaker 31: is okay. But dot dot dot will discuss the dot

2467
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:38,760
Speaker 31: dot dot.

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02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:42,360
Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be bigw Brees is replacing Mark Sanchez.

2469
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:43,680
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, uh.

2470
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:47,360
Speaker 31: Drew Brees called the Bengals Raiders playoff game. The Bengals

2471
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:50,880
Speaker 31: won and was panned for it. And then last year

2472
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:54,800
Speaker 31: I did a rewatch podcast with Paul Paul Danner, Junior,

2473
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:57,200
Speaker 31: Jay Morrison, and Dan Horde where we went back and

2474
02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:00,800
Speaker 31: rewatched the game. Drew Brees wasn't as bad as the

2475
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:02,720
Speaker 31: Internet made him out to be. Now was he John

2476
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:07,200
Speaker 31: Madden his Pride? He was fine, he was okay. He

2477
02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:09,920
Speaker 31: was also really good at the LaSalle Sports Tag this year.

2478
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:12,200
Speaker 31: Uh So that's fine.

2479
02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:13,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

2480
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Speaker 31: I thought Mark Sanchez actually was pretty decent. I did too,

2481
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:19,400
Speaker 31: and I've I've heard him do some interviews and some

2482
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:21,680
Speaker 31: hits as an analyst where he's been pretty good.

2483
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:25,760
Speaker 2: But I guess he has enjoyed the Mark Sanchez Halloween costume.

2484
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,360
Speaker 2: That's why whenever you and I head out of town together,

2485
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:31,640
Speaker 2: I always make sure we travel in pairs. You wouldn't

2486
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:32,800
Speaker 2: let anything like that happen to me.

2487
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:37,240
Speaker 31: Likewise, my collegay costume next year is going to be

2488
02:12:37,320 --> 02:12:39,720
Speaker 31: did did you guys see the footage of the guy

2489
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:44,080
Speaker 31: who lost the mayoral boem and this dude, I don't

2490
02:12:44,120 --> 02:12:49,320
Speaker 31: know this he had He did his concession speech after

2491
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 31: he lost the election. And again this is not a

2492
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:55,960
Speaker 31: political statement, but in his concession speech he's wearing a suit,

2493
02:12:56,080 --> 02:12:58,480
Speaker 31: and I guess all the broad there was no like podium. Yeah,

2494
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:01,600
Speaker 31: so everybody asked him to put on a clip on mic,

2495
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:05,400
Speaker 31: like five different ones on He had like five lapel microphone.

2496
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:07,320
Speaker 31: It's one of the silliest things I've ever seen in

2497
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:10,120
Speaker 31: my life. It took it took longer to set him

2498
02:13:10,160 --> 02:13:12,120
Speaker 31: up with microphones than it did to count as votes.

2499
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:13,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dang.

2500
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:16,240
Speaker 31: Uh so that was funny. That's gonna be my Halloween

2501
02:13:16,240 --> 02:13:19,320
Speaker 31: costume next year. Michael Corey, Corey Bowman. I like that

2502
02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:23,280
Speaker 31: Corey Bowman. Uh post lost Corey Bowman with all the

2503
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:26,840
Speaker 31: lapel microphones. Somebody's gonna get mad at me for that.

2504
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's politics, it is.

2505
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:31,640
Speaker 31: I made fun of a judge on Willie Show the

2506
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:33,120
Speaker 31: other day. Wow, that's good.

2507
02:13:33,120 --> 02:13:36,960
Speaker 2: You are fun. You're that was cathartic. Yeah.

2508
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:40,040
Speaker 31: What else do we have on the show today? Steve

2509
02:13:40,120 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 31: Cangelosi's calling the FC Cincinnati match on Saturday. He is

2510
02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 31: going to join us at five forty five. Richard Skinner,

2511
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:48,680
Speaker 31: our friend Amy Wagner's going to join us, Rick Boring

2512
02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 31: on x U n n KU basketball, and so much more.

2513
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:55,640
Speaker 2: We mentioned, uh breakfast that we had together today. We

2514
02:13:55,680 --> 02:14:02,320
Speaker 2: did next Tuesday. You see Dayton, Yeah, Kentucky Louisville. Good day.

2515
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:04,520
Speaker 2: What a fantastic night of basketball. I don't like it

2516
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:08,320
Speaker 2: when you see plays dat why, it's like watching kids fight.

2517
02:14:08,440 --> 02:14:11,480
Speaker 2: It's two things I really care about as well. I

2518
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:13,640
Speaker 2: don't like it when they play. I wish they wouldn't, Okay,

2519
02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:16,680
Speaker 2: I wish honestly, I wish they wouldn't play. I feel

2520
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:19,040
Speaker 2: that they've played the last two years, and I don't

2521
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:23,600
Speaker 2: like it. I don't like rooting against Dayton because I

2522
02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:26,760
Speaker 2: root for the Barrial once I do.

2523
02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:29,440
Speaker 31: I feel weird and icky about it. I wish they

2524
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:31,840
Speaker 31: I think it's on one level, it's cool. I wish

2525
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:36,080
Speaker 31: there were more regional games like this, But no, I

2526
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:38,440
Speaker 31: I don't like it when they play. I just it's

2527
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:41,080
Speaker 31: not pleasant. It's not fun, and so I don't like it.

2528
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:43,920
Speaker 3: The Rads are going to play two scrimmages in Milwaukee

2529
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,920
Speaker 3: against the Brewers before the start of the season. That's weird,

2530
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:47,440
Speaker 3: isn't it.

2531
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:50,960
Speaker 31: Very It's not weird that they play the Brewers. They're

2532
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:53,760
Speaker 31: both in Arizona. It's weird that they're going to Milwaukee.

2533
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:58,120
Speaker 31: And it's one thing. If like there's a new park,

2534
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 31: like the guys played the Indians two games before the

2535
02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:02,560
Speaker 31: first real game, Great American Ball Park.

2536
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:02,960
Speaker 2: You do that.

2537
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:05,080
Speaker 31: It's a dress rehearsal. You do it because you know

2538
02:15:05,120 --> 02:15:08,120
Speaker 31: you're gonna sell a lot of tickets. But I don't understand.

2539
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:11,480
Speaker 31: I'm not that I'm I'm not complaining. I don't care.

2540
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 31: But that's when that came out that I thought that

2541
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:15,920
Speaker 31: was weird. Speaking of dads, I do think it is.

2542
02:15:16,440 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 31: I guess notable. They don't play Milwaukee until June. Okay,

2543
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:22,840
Speaker 31: so maybe it doesn't matter since that you don't play

2544
02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:26,160
Speaker 31: them for ads are probably in cruise control.

2545
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean division locked up by then. Have forty

2546
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:32,600
Speaker 2: homers by that point. Bet online has the Reds is

2547
02:15:32,600 --> 02:15:36,440
Speaker 2: the betting favorite to land Kyle Schwarber at plus two fifty. Okay,

2548
02:15:36,880 --> 02:15:39,920
Speaker 2: do you see any any realm that we live in

2549
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:42,920
Speaker 2: that that's a possibility based on what we've already heard

2550
02:15:42,920 --> 02:15:44,200
Speaker 2: from Nick Crawl about spending.

2551
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:47,560
Speaker 31: The only reason I think the answer is yes is

2552
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:50,880
Speaker 31: what happened to Pete Alonzo last year, where there wasn't

2553
02:15:50,920 --> 02:15:56,040
Speaker 31: a huge market for him, right, Like, maybe there's not

2554
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:58,880
Speaker 31: a huge market for Kyle Schwarmer. There's probably gonna be

2555
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Speaker 31: a lockout at the end of this coming season, and

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Speaker 31: so maybe you don't know about your long term finances

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Speaker 31: and teams that you might think would ordinarily be interested

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Speaker 31: view him as a depreciating asset, A little bit of

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Speaker 31: financial uncertainty and the market doesn't materialize, and so the

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Speaker 31: asking price comes down and it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: You and I from Middletown, ohile, yes, really from Middletown?

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Speaker 2: Really yes, we say from like he's visited, born and huh,

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Speaker 2: like where Chris Carter's from? Yep, yep, really born and raised.

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Speaker 2: Is he nicer than Chris Carter? By all accounts, he's

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Speaker 2: really Chris.

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Speaker 31: Carter, mean Chris Carter. I did a stag with him

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Speaker 31: this past season. This paste wasn't.

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Speaker 2: That great also by all accounts, I mean now, so

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Speaker 2: even after he's a good culture guy to a locker

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Speaker 2: room guy.

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Speaker 31: He just was like mad at everybody, like Chris, tell

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Speaker 31: me about Uh. It was right before the National Championship

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Speaker 31: game and Jeremiah Smith is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Well, he don't need me to do.

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Speaker 3: I'm like Chris question he hadn't been on TV in

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Speaker 3: a while.

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Speaker 2: You're here to be nice to people. Yeah? Uh?

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Speaker 31: What was the question about colleg Schwarber? I could see

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Speaker 31: a last year we talked about Pete a Lonzo. There

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Speaker 31: was like no market for him. It's like cool, asking

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Speaker 31: prices come down here and hit fifty home runs? What

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Speaker 31: about you know what happened. I got patted on the

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Speaker 31: head and I was told Christian and Carnassi on strands.

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Speaker 31: He's like, we have CEOs, like do you Louisville did.

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Speaker 2: In or out Austin Hayes Scott Barlow, Uh, Hayes out

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Speaker 2: suitor three million guys.

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Speaker 31: Spend that somewhere else, keep him around to do impressions

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Speaker 31: Scott Barlow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, six and a half mil for Scott Barlow though, yeah, money,

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Speaker 2: well that's true. What do you got to come up?

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Speaker 2: You got a haircut? You gotta double bye in a

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Speaker 2: long weekend? Coming up? What are you gonna do? I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna this year last show of the week.

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Speaker 28: Right, you want to know what I'm doing this week?

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Speaker 28: I'm certainly.

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Speaker 2: It is my last show. And I said, your hands.

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Speaker 31: Tomorrow, I'm going to cut my grass. Nice Friday, we

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Speaker 31: have a UC basketball game. Nice Saturday, I'm going to

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Speaker 31: go out with my wife.

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Speaker 2: For her birthday lovely.

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Speaker 31: And Sunday, I'm going to watch NFL Red Zone for

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Speaker 31: seven consecutive hours, drink drink a twenty four pack. What

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Speaker 31: I'm gonna do with my Sunday, Let's go well.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy all of that. Sounds like we have similar plans.

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Speaker 2: We do. It's really really hefty. Next next four days,

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Speaker 2: Moe's last show of the week starts next on ESPN.

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Speaker 2: The Week just to the Week. Okay, you never know,

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Speaker 2: never know, Maybe ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. I

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Speaker 2: have a great rest of your.

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Speaker 30: Wednesday, WCKY, Cincinnati.

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