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Speaker 3: Play some big words thirteen times a day, nine am

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Speaker 1: Still no word on whether Panerens moved to the La

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Speaker 1: de COURSI, Mike, Uh, what do you make of McCarthy's

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's an odd job.

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Speaker 7: You get a lot of the work, but none of

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Speaker 3: Every play on offense. And then like so, how aware

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Speaker 2: If you have to.

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Speaker 7: Prepare every during every defensive set, how are you aware

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Speaker 7: And I know it's worked for some, but it's basically

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's awkward to have a forty two

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Speaker 7: it's the game has has other than the pass the

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I think Will Howard's wasting time. I think talked about

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Speaker 7: Let me let me say I'm not saying it's impossible.

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Speaker 1: You know, we never really found out, Mike, And I'm

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Speaker 7: Well that's a hard question to answer because no one

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Speaker 3: His dad was one of the biggest disasters of all time.

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Speaker 7: So I don't think that that name really helps you

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Speaker 1: One story that developed and not in a good way, Mike,

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Speaker 3: I think I think that helped.

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Speaker 7: So I kind of understand why, unless you really wanted

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Speaker 3: And hey, Mike McDaniel flopped big time.

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Speaker 1: Mike, you just you just pointed to his influence in hiring.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike the course of the Sporting News

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Speaker 1: that probably win in five.

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Speaker 3: Right. I agree with you.

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Speaker 7: I think that the one problem that you have in

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Speaker 7: a one game deal is the possibility.

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Speaker 3: The one weakness that seat has is they as.

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Speaker 7: A group and Donald It in particular, turns turnover the

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Speaker 7: ball too often.

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Speaker 3: That's the one concern.

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Speaker 7: If if they don't turn over the football in this game,

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Speaker 7: I don't think that New England wins, and I mean,

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Speaker 7: like maybe maybe one may they might survive one but

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Speaker 7: multiple turnovers and New England's got a chance. But without that,

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Speaker 7: I mean, goodness, they barely could scratch against Denver and

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Speaker 7: this is this is an even better defense than Denver has,

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Speaker 7: and they could barely get anything until basically the third

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Speaker 7: string quarterback in Denver handed them seven points. So I

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Speaker 7: think that Seattle really has an edge here and it's

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Speaker 7: up to them not to blow it.

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Speaker 1: What has caused Darnald to come into his own the

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Speaker 1: turnovers duely noted Mike. You know, he was a bust

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Speaker 1: every stop before the last two, and suddenly he's a star.

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 3: That's a great question, I think. I think part of

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Speaker 3: it was that the New York Jets could have ruined.

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Speaker 3: They could have ruined Joe Namath. Uh I'm sorry, not

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Speaker 3: Joe Namath, Joe Montana.

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Speaker 7: I mean the modern New York Jets, not the Joe

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Speaker 7: Namath era New York Jets. But they could have ruined

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Speaker 7: Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: They could have ruined them all.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they just it's just been an abysmal organization

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Speaker 7: for the last ten years or so, and they and

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Speaker 7: you've seen multiple quarterbacks top fives go through there and

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Speaker 7: come out the other side ruined, and maybe ruined is

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Speaker 7: a strong word now, because Darnald's shown that, yeah, you

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Speaker 7: can be you can be messed up pretty good. And

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Speaker 7: Gino Smith's another example of that. You can be messed

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Speaker 7: up pretty.

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Speaker 3: Good coming out of there.

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Speaker 7: But if you keep your head in the game and

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Speaker 7: you look at it as it's not me, it's them,

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Speaker 7: you can still find your way back. And that that involves,

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Speaker 7: more than anything, an organization that looks at what you

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Speaker 7: have and believes in you. I will tell you that

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Speaker 7: when I watched Sam Darnold play at Notre Dame for

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Speaker 7: Southern California back in I don't know, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 7: whatever season that was, I saw an NFL quarterback. I

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Speaker 7: thought he was gonna be good.

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Speaker 3: And when he got to the Jets, we saw him fail.

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Speaker 7: And we've seen so many and so I think that

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Speaker 7: it was really smart of the Vikings to resurrect him,

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Speaker 7: and not so smart of the Vikings to let him

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Speaker 7: go at a price that wasn't that extreme. It was

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Speaker 7: basically just yeah, JJ McCarthy you're gonna have to wait,

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Speaker 7: like Aaron Rodgers did, because we think we have something here.

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Speaker 2: I think stephen A.

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Speaker 1: Smith usually just babbles, but he brought up He brought

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Speaker 1: up the point that Tom Brady's probably rooting for Seattle

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Speaker 1: because he doesn't want New England to win so soon

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Speaker 1: after him, let alone with another franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Brady fan as a player. How could you

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Speaker 2: not be?

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Speaker 1: He does okay on commentary, But what stephen A said

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Speaker 1: it kind of rings true with what I perceived Brady

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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 3: I can't say he's a colleague at Fox. I don't

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Speaker 3: know him.

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Speaker 7: I've never met him, so I can't.

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Speaker 3: Say whether he would be that way or not.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what his relationship is with I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 7: I think we all know it's not great with Belichick,

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Speaker 7: but I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know what his relationship with Craft is.

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Speaker 7: If it's not good, I could see maybe he would

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Speaker 7: not mind them not winning. I don't know whether he

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Speaker 7: would be someone that would look at it like so soon,

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Speaker 7: because it has been what seven years since he left there,

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Speaker 7: so it isn't that close to it either.

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Speaker 2: Are you an Olympics guy? Mike what's the best thing

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Speaker 2: about the Winter Olympics for you.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you the funny story.

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Speaker 7: Mark back when we were both young sports writers in

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Speaker 7: Pittsburgh and we used to watch the various sports writers

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Speaker 7: kind of jockey to try to go cover the Winter

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Speaker 7: Olympics because it was a big assignment and all that.

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Speaker 3: I looked at it and.

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Speaker 7: I said, it's really cold wherever they go. I don't

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Speaker 7: ever want to do that. And I have made it now,

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Speaker 7: four plus decades into my career without ever covering a

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Speaker 7: Winter Olympics.

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Speaker 3: It's one of my prouder achievements. Honestly, I enjoy.

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Speaker 7: Sitting on my couch and watching it. I love the hockey,

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Speaker 7: It's tremendous.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing I watch.

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Speaker 7: My wife loves it, so I will watch what she watches,

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Speaker 7: and you can watch the snow the snowboarding stuff, and

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Speaker 7: it's kind of entertaining and some of the some of

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Speaker 7: the other stuff. One of the other reasons I didn't

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Speaker 7: want to cover it was because so much of it

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Speaker 7: is the athlete against the clock, and I'd much rather

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Speaker 7: see the athlete against the athlete.

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Speaker 3: That's what I watched sports for.

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Speaker 1: Meet me too now now here's a philosophical question. I'm American,

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Speaker 1: but I'm rooting for Canada because I know Sid. Does

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Speaker 1: that make me a bad American on patriotic.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, i'll tell you what. It doesn't make you

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Speaker 3: one of.

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Speaker 7: The bad pittsburgher's who kind of half boots Sid after

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Speaker 7: the twenty ten overtime goal, which I didn't like. So

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Speaker 7: I respect your your your position there. I look, he's

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Speaker 7: a friend of yours, and so I totally get that.

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Speaker 3: I would like to see the US win, I asked

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Speaker 3: my wife the other day.

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Speaker 7: I said, okay, so if it isn't the US, are

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Speaker 7: you rooting for SID to get another gold?

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Speaker 3: And took her a second and then she said yes,

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Speaker 3: So I agree with her. I'd obviously like to see

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Speaker 3: the US win.

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Speaker 7: But if SID wins again and gets a third, that'd

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Speaker 7: be really cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My toughest philosophical debate ever in any sport. Mike

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two, Mario against her Brooks, both of

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Speaker 1: whom were friends.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I totally get that.

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Speaker 1: But I said to Herb afterwards, like a Herb, you

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Speaker 1: could never talk nineteen eighty. Give Mario his gold, He laughed, grudgingly,

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Speaker 1: very grudgingly looking up.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of have you watched the.

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Speaker 1: I'm halfway through it. I watch like in intervals on

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Speaker 1: my treadmill. It's brilliant just seeing those guys forty five

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Speaker 1: years later falling into the same routines and camaraderie and

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Speaker 1: reliving it.

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Speaker 2: It is just so precious it.

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Speaker 7: Is for people of our age to be able to

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Speaker 7: see them, see their folks who mostly are no longer

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Speaker 7: with us at the time when they are achieving their

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Speaker 7: greatest moment in their careers.

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Speaker 3: That's it's just it's impossible not to feel.

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Speaker 7: That to I know how close you were with your

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Speaker 7: mom and oh and and so I oh.

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Speaker 2: No, Jim Craig and his mother. That a lot of

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Speaker 2: that rings true for me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you too, is that everybody remembers

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Speaker 1: where they were when that happened. I do, And and

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Speaker 1: I see. I don't like Mark Cuban. I'll be born.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a dork. I just think he's full

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Speaker 1: of crap all the time, but never more so that

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Speaker 1: when he said Indiana winning the NCAA football championship was

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Speaker 1: comparable to the US winning the gold medal, And like,

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Speaker 1: I think we might have talked about that before, but

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Speaker 1: to me, Indiana would have had to beat the eighty

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Speaker 1: five Bears for that to be equivalent.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we talked about that, and it's a great line,

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Speaker 7: and you're not totally wrong.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the actual moment of Indiana winning.

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Speaker 7: By then, it wasn't anywhere near what the US did

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Speaker 7: in beating the Soviets. It was more so the fact

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Speaker 7: that they had to come through two seasons of football

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Speaker 7: at the highest level from where they were, which was

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Speaker 7: the worst power program in history and recently pretty bad too,

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Speaker 7: to get to the top of the pinnacle in two years.

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Speaker 3: That was what would put it in the conversation.

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Speaker 7: I think, with what those guys did in being able

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Speaker 7: to go through the sixty seventy game exhibition schedule that

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Speaker 7: they played and get to that one night where they

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Speaker 7: could take on the Soviets and defeat them.

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Speaker 2: Mike is always great stuff. We'll talk again next week.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure, Mark, Thank.

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Speaker 1: his foot has been suspended after test thing positive for

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Speaker 1: performance enhancing substance. I guess he took it as part

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Speaker 1: of his I don't know, but it's twenty games and

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Speaker 1: h boy. For someone who took performance enhancing drugs, I

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Speaker 2: Come and get some.

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Speaker 7: It's The Woody Show tomorrow morning from six till ten.

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