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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday, one hour from now. Judge Ennen of Poulitano

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Speaker 1: preceded by Adam Hardach. He's a former CIA ops officer,

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Speaker 1: is going to give us the latest on the January

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Speaker 1: sixth pipe bombing investigation. Spicy details emerging on that. We'll

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Speaker 1: hear from him at eight to five in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Americans from Prosperities, Donovan and Eil and the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: We've finally seen the light at the end of the

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Speaker 1: tunnel on that one. Donovan, welcome back. I understand you're

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Speaker 1: doing an empower you summinar tomorrow night. You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: seven pm. Ohio needs a reset too many governments. Donovan,

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Speaker 1: good to heav you back on the show.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, always a pleasure to be with you. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me well.

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Speaker 1: The marketing signs are going all over the place. New

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Speaker 1: York obviously is going to lose a lot of businesses

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Speaker 1: they have been. The business climate there is awful. There's

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Speaker 1: some ad campaigns going on. Texas is throwing out the

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Speaker 1: big welcome banner and here, Donovan, why can't we have

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Speaker 1: this Texas just voted to amend their constitution. The voters

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Speaker 1: approved three pro business tax amendments, saying there will be

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Speaker 1: no capital gains tax ever in the state of Texas.

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Speaker 1: In the constitution, they also are going to have a

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Speaker 1: ban on security transaction taxes, as well as an outright

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Speaker 1: ban on a state and inheritance taxes. They don't have

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Speaker 1: any of those right now, but they've just enshrined in

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Speaker 1: the constitution they never will be. That is probably one

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Speaker 1: of the best marketing angles I've seen so far in

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Speaker 1: the effort to bring businesses in any given state. How

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Speaker 1: come we can't have that, Donovan, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Think we have a lot of that, right, we're moving

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Speaker 2: in the right trajectory, but we're not. I think it's

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Speaker 2: right we're not marketing these things. And we also have

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Speaker 2: been doing a lot of this stuff in a very

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Speaker 2: incremental manner. You know. Just this past summer they moved

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Speaker 2: Ohio to a flat two point seventy five percent income tax.

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Speaker 2: That's huge, Brian. That's the lowest in the Midwest, second

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Speaker 2: lowest in the nation. But you're right, there's other states.

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Speaker 2: As we've been on your show talking about before, Ohio

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Speaker 2: doesn't exist in a vacuum. We're in a fifty state compact,

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Speaker 2: these United States of America, and each one of these

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Speaker 2: states is competing for our jobs and opportunity and brightest minds.

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Speaker 2: And we need that leadership in Columbus who's going to

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Speaker 2: fight hard to move Ohio in that bold direction, competing

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Speaker 2: with states like Texas, Tennessee and Florida that for years

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Speaker 2: have been eating our lunch.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you've talked about this on the Morning Show previously.

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Speaker 1: I know Americans for Prosperity is you know, along the

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Speaker 1: lines of your seminar tomorrow night. And you know we

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Speaker 1: have so far too many local governments, thousands of townships, cities, boards, commissions,

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Speaker 1: everybody's got their own offices. Everybody needs to be supported

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Speaker 1: and paid for. It is extremely complicated. What is the

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Speaker 1: vision that you see? How do we streamline this process

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Speaker 1: and bring about what Americans for Prosperity and you Donald

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Speaker 1: Andannil are advocating for here in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm really excited Dan Regnold and the empower

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Speaker 2: You team and just getting to go back go back

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Speaker 2: down there tomorrow night and be a part of that

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Speaker 2: with their crew. Appreciate you plugging that with us. And

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Speaker 2: that's what we're going to talk about. There's this we

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Speaker 2: think about big government a lot of times, Brian Wright,

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Speaker 2: as this monolithic creature that exists in Columbus or DC

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Speaker 2: right our state or nation's capital. But we're wanting to

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Speaker 2: begin to shine a light on and this isn't new.

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Speaker 2: Every fifteen to twenty years or so, this comes back up,

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Speaker 2: and most recently it's occurred started to have come unsurfaced

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Speaker 2: itself through the property tax crisis. The problem here is

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Speaker 2: we have the fifth most political subdivisions in the country.

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Speaker 2: What's the political subdivision? That's your township, city, school, village, county.

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Speaker 2: All of them provide some services. Our argument is, though, Brian,

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Speaker 2: is there too dang much of them? And are we

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Speaker 2: actually experiencing because of how much local government we have?

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Speaker 2: Are we actually experiencing a big government crisis because of

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Speaker 2: the amount of government we have here in the state

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Speaker 2: of Ohio. And we're unique in that. Again, Pennsylvania, California, Illinois,

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Speaker 2: New York beat us into Ohio terms of the number

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Speaker 2: sumpthing's wrong, Brian, and that's where we find ourselves today

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Speaker 1: Well, let us kind of generally contrast how those states

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Speaker 1: an advocate for you know, the closer a politician is

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Speaker 1: how Joe Strecker lives in his neighborhood, and they can't

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Speaker 1: So that same kind of concept makes an argument for

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Speaker 1: no more local government is good. So how does the

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Speaker 1: fewer local governments address the needs of people locally and

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Speaker 1: will work out to everybody's benefit? Donovan?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Well, I put to a state like Florida when

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Speaker 2: it comes to school districts, right, they are the single

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Speaker 2: largest here in Ohio consumer of our property tax revenue. Right, example,

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Speaker 2: we have six hundred some school districts here in the

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Speaker 2: state of Ohio, each one of those run with by

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Speaker 2: a superintendent, a board of five school board members, assistant

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Speaker 2: superintendent's treasurer, assistant treasure a lot of administration, right that

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Speaker 2: doesn't even get to the front lines of education. State

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Speaker 2: like Florida, I think there's somewhere about ninety school districts.

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Speaker 2: They run them by county.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: If we were to do a similar model, which is

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Speaker 2: how this can be done. There's off and on conversations

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Speaker 2: about doing that. Here in Ohio, we'd have eighty eight

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Speaker 2: school districts, give or take. We have one per county. Right.

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Speaker 2: What we're talking about there is streamlining the delivery of services,

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Speaker 2: not moving it to Columbus or DC, but streamlining within

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Speaker 2: administrative burdens that exist that all costs tax dollars. By

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Speaker 2: the way, on the argument for your local elected officials

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Speaker 2: being accessible might push back to our friends who are

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Speaker 2: who are also saying they want more local government. I

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Speaker 2: say to them, how many of your township trustees, county commissioners,

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Speaker 2: something to lower that burden for you. Just because these

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Speaker 2: and that's what's at the heart of this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, for whatever reason, I'm thinking back

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Speaker 1: the concept of shared services among the region's law enforcement

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Speaker 1: dive team that is accessible for all of the various

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Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. So this would extreme streamline efficiencies

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Speaker 1: perhaps overcrowding or undercrowding issues, more efficiently managed property. I

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Speaker 1: see a lot of pluses for this, and see what

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Speaker 1: you say to see how you react to this. Going

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Speaker 1: back to the whole property tax, if you end up

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Speaker 1: eliminating property tax in Ohio, and I know that's a

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Speaker 1: train wreck for a lot of people, but if you

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Speaker 1: had county wide school boards, allocating the resources to a

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Speaker 1: allocating the resources to what you said, six hundred different

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think you know centralization. You want

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Speaker 2: to be careful with that, right, Yeah. You don't want

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Speaker 2: to move everything entirely to Columbus or everything entirely to Washington,

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Speaker 2: right now the imbalance exists with the amount that we have.

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Speaker 2: When I lived in Franklin County near Columbus, the community

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Speaker 2: brian to six different entities. Columbus City of Reynoldsburg, a

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Speaker 2: a special taxing district, the school district, the state of Ohio,

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Speaker 2: and the federal income taxes. On top of that, I

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Speaker 2: had property taxes. And when you look at your property

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Speaker 2: you know, for a dozen more levies that go to

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Speaker 2: all these different political subdivisions, all in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 2: right Brian, services we want I like police showing up

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Speaker 2: to be a good education. But the challenge here is

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Speaker 2: we are experiencing the property tax crisis we're experiencing right now.

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Speaker 2: So many of these political subdivisions exist, and there are

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Speaker 2: some opportunities through consolidation, shared services, and other collaborative agreements

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Speaker 2: that states like Texas, Tennessee, and Florida stop taking our

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Speaker 1: All right, assuming this concept is embraced and we are

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Speaker 1: convinced that it's the right way to go, doesn't this

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Speaker 1: require each of these individual political subdivisions to be willing

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Speaker 1: these as their own independent fiefdoms, like police departments. I'm

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Speaker 1: not working with them, and this is mine. You can't

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Speaker 1: trot on my neighborhood, you know, berber Berber. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of that going on, and politicians typically act like that.

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Speaker 1: So this is going to require the relinquishment of control

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Speaker 2: What have you ever known a politician or an elected official,

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Speaker 2: no matter how small their political government is, to let

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Speaker 2: it go. No, it's near impossible. The last time. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing this I mentioned earlier in the segment.

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Speaker 2: This isn't a new concept.

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Speaker 2: If you you might remember some of your listeners might

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Speaker 2: remember back in two thousand and nine, we experienced an

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Speaker 2: economic crisis, Right, two thousand nine experience an economic crisis.

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Speaker 2: John Kasik came in as governor, fixed the state budget,

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Speaker 2: and one of the big conversations at that time was

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Speaker 2: what we were going to do about all these political

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Speaker 2: subdivisions in Ohio. Reports were put out. Buckeye Institute Greg

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Speaker 2: Laws and put out a great report talking about this.

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Speaker 2: The governor had an Office of Transformation on that Auditor

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Speaker 2: we went out and talked about skis the Ohio and

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Speaker 2: shared services. The problem, though, Brian, you hit on it.

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Speaker 2: The problem is the fiefdoms and the the these folks

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Speaker 2: there is that, if you you know, underlying this property

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Speaker 1: Well for those desirous of political expedients. Again, if we

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Speaker 2: Well, for instances of villages that local consent is already available.

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Speaker 2: You can go and get a small fraction of signatures,

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Speaker 2: on that. Wouldn't that be novel Brian instead of and

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Speaker 2: that exists today. But we don't see that happening across

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Speaker 2: abolish the village. So there's a lot at play. I

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Speaker 2: think what we need to do is regionalize some of

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Speaker 2: We've seen though that the voluntary disarmament doesn't seem to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not in my backyard. Oh Donovan, you've got a

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Speaker 1: tough road ho on this one. But that's what you're

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Speaker 1: Youamerica dot org. Check out what Donovan has to say,

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Speaker 1: and also here from Eric Conroy, who will be discussing

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Speaker 1: take twenty twenty minutes worth of information from him, along

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Speaker 1: with Donovan and the Americans for Prosperity. Donovan, hope you

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Speaker 1: have a well attended seminar, and I hope you flush

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Speaker 1: going to take some work at a grassroots level. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: always does. Thanks Brian, I appreciate it. Thank you, Donald n'neill.

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Speaker 1: Empower Youamerica dot org. And of course this conversation and

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